Beretta 1301 Tactical

[orionz06]

This ^^^.

The Scalarworks SYNC mount is not available for the 1301 but the reason I brought it up was the SYNC was the inspiration for another company, Aridus Industries, to produce a similar mount for putting the Aimpoint Micro on the 1301 and the Remington 870. The Aridus direct mount for the Micro / 1301 is called the CROM and is just coming to market.

If the Aimpoint versions of the CROM are successful, an RMR version is certainly a possibility.

The CROM is available for pre-order here: http://www.aridusindustries.com/products/beretta-1301-tactical-aimpoint-micro-crom/

If I'm not mistaken Aridus had theirs in progress first.

[orionz06]

Neither Aridus nor Scalarworks "invented" or started the red dot direct mounts first -- it's old "technology". I have a bunch of Aimpoint Micro direct mounts for 10/22s and 22/45s that Aimpoint released shortly after the Micros were released -- and I don't think they were the first to do it either.

That's not what I said or implied.

The specific point that one was inspired by the other...

[SpyderMan2k4]

Correct. I didn't even know of other direct mounts until I really started moving forward and people would send me links. No big deal in my book since I'm really only concerned about integrated, co-witnessing sights.

It was conversation in this thread that prompted me to put off the pic rail and move straight to what is now the CROM.

In related news, the machining is just about wrapped up on both the 1301 and 870 CROMs (op 1 and 2 are finished, just need to drill and tap 1 hole on each mount). From there, there's sandblasting, anodizing, engraving, assembly, then ready to ship.

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[HCM]

If I'm not mistaken Aridus had theirs in progress first.



I have no idea what Aridus was or was not aware of but the Scalar-Works Mount for the Benelli / RMR combo has been commercially available for at least a year, maybe two or three. It definitely predates the Aridus.

The first Scalar-Works direct mount for shotgun I saw was on PF - GJM posted a photo of an RMR mounted to one of his Benelli bear guns with the scalar-works direct mount. As I recall it was only available for RMR at the time.

I can't remember if it was a shotgun gun thread, a bear defense thread on an Alaska thread but it was definitely quite some time ago.

[orionz06]

I have no idea what Aridus was or was not aware of but the Scalar-Works Mount for the Benelli / RMR combo has been commercially available for at least a year, maybe two or three. It definitely predates the Aridus.

The first Scalar-Works direct mount for shotgun I saw was on PF - GJM posted a photo of an RMR mounted to one of his Benelli bear guns with the scalar-works direct mount. As I recall it was only available for RMR at the time.

I can't remember if it was a shotgun gun thread, a bear defense thread on an Alaska thread but it was definitely quite some time ago.

I haven't kept close enough tabs. My point of contention was where the thought came from. Having been ancillary to at least some of the process I know Scalarworks wasn't in the picture at all. Not really a beef or anything, I'm just currently a little sensitive to folks getting credit for shit they didn't do first and/or getting credit for being the original source.

/snowflake moment

Carry on.

[GJM]

I have no idea what Aridus was or was not aware of but the Scalar-Works Mount for the Benelli / RMR combo has been commercially available for at least a year, maybe two or three. It definitely predates the Aridus.

The first Scalar-Works direct mount for shotgun I saw was on PF - GJM posted a photo of an RMR mounted to one of his Benelli bear guns with the scalar-works direct mount. As I recall it was only available for RMR at the time.

I can't remember if it was a shotgun gun thread, a bear defense thread on an Alaska thread but it was definitely quite some time ago.

Not sure when Scalarworks developed the RMR/Benelli mount, but according to my account there, I bought my RMR/Benelli mount on June 24, 2015.

[rossini]

Correct. I didn't even know of other direct mounts until I really started moving forward and people would send me links. No big deal in my book since I'm really only concerned about integrated, co-witnessing sights.

It was conversation in this thread that prompted me to put off the pic rail and move straight to what is now the CROM.

In related news, the machining is just about wrapped up on both the 1301 and 870 CROMs (op 1 and 2 are finished, just need to drill and tap 1 hole on each mount). From there, there's sandblasting, anodizing, engraving, assembly, then ready to ship.

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Any plans for Aridus to manufacture a 1301 mount for the Trijicon RMR?

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Any plans for Aridus to manufacture a 1301 mount for the Trijicon RMR?

Hold it brother, let's get Adam to finish tweaking & then release the MP/Mossberg stock adapter first, Plz&Ty.

[Unobtanium]

So.....I have had some issues with the 1301. Bad info from the Beretta guys at SHOT Show, a very bad interaction with one of their LE guys who basically said I was full of crap on the shell drop problem, until I did it for him. Then I was basically given the cold shoulder. I like everything on paper, and was really mad about cancelling the TX4 because it was exactly what I wanted. So, thanks to a member here, I will be getting a TX4 to set up with a dedicated Aimpoint Micro. It will add to a growing collection of shotguns that is getting to be a bit like the revolver stuff. I intend to dedicate my personal future in the training world to the Art of the Gauge, so it is fun to start picking up many of the guns I have wanted. The TX-4 will fill a niche I should have filled years ago when I really sort of fell in love with it.

The 1301 is like the econo-version of their previous model. Same everything, just China-fied, so to speak (no, not made in China, just everything is cheaper made, polymer vs. aluminum, etc)

[Eli]

I have no dealings with this company, but ran across this today while browsing...

Nordic 1301 Tactical "kit" for $100.

https://www.gunsmidwest.com/nordic-beretta-1301-tactical-kit

[SpyderMan2k4]

Hold it brother, let's get Adam to finish tweaking & then release the MP/Mossberg stock adapter first, Plz&Ty.
I do have plans for an RMR version... i actually already have the specs from Trijicon and have it modeled for the 870. Right now some things have come up that focus is 100% on current products with next to no room for development (hopefully that'll change this fall).

The one developmental exception is the 1301 stock adapter. The optic mounts will be 100% machined tomorrow, so from there all the focus is on the stock adapter. It's moving in the right direction. Barring major hangups, the original goal of having it ready for pre-order by August or September seems pretty achievable.

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[SeriousStudent]

Very cool, I am definitely looking forward to buying one of your stock adapters! :)

[LittleLebowski]

Has anyone here tried using their 1301 with the Primary Arms Adv Micro (https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Advanced-Buttons-MD-ADS/dp/B00OD2L62M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501010546&sr=8-1&keywords=primary+arms+advanced+micro+dot)?

[OlongJohnson]

No direct experience. But first-hand reports from other users that a representative from PA was pretty stand-up about the product. Recommended not betting one's life on it - if that's the use, they recommended an Aimpoint or something of comparable quality. They seem to be popular for the low price and ready replacement warranty policy.

[Unobtanium]

No direct experience. But first-hand reports from other users that a representative from PA was pretty stand-up about the product. Recommended not betting one's life on it - if that's the use, they recommended an Aimpoint or something of comparable quality. They seem to be popular for the low price and ready replacement warranty policy.

A few years back I bought some PA sights (not the micro), and when they died, PA replaced them without question. They died...a lot, lol! (on M4 5.56's)

[Unobtanium]

The 1301 keeps getting better and better. What's the current method of mounting a light to it? I am still dead-set on the M1014 clone I have planned, but Aridus is making it a narrow thing at this point. I can have the same sight plan, and a MUCH BETTER stock, but I don't think there is a good light mount for the 1301 like there is the M4, and I do give up nearly 50% capacity. Those are still deal-killers for me.


The other thing I have noted is the CROM seems really "busy" with the near absolute CW. Is there any way to make it more like the Benelli system Scalarworks is doing? If you are running a T1/T2, I would THINK that irons would be your "just in case" system, as which, so long as they are usable, you don't need them "in the middle of things". I like this sight picture:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/scalarworks_sync_benelli_aimpoint_micro_co-witness.png

That said, I have not looked through the CROM, so it's just thinking.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1301-T1.jpg

[RevM]

Has anyone here tried using their 1301 with the Primary Arms Adv Micro (https://www.amazon.com/Primary-Arms-Advanced-Buttons-MD-ADS/dp/B00OD2L62M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501010546&sr=8-1&keywords=primary+arms+advanced+micro+dot)?

Yes, I've been running that optic on my 1301C. Took it through a two day shotgun class of about 500 rounds. Ran like a champ.

[SpyderMan2k4]

The 1301 keeps getting better and better. What's the current method of mounting a light to it? I am still dead-set on the M1014 clone I have planned, but Aridus is making it a narrow thing at this point. I can have the same sight plan, and a MUCH BETTER stock, but I don't think there is a good light mount for the 1301 like there is the M4, and I do give up nearly 50% capacity. Those are still deal-killers for me.


The other thing I have noted is the CROM seems really "busy" with the near absolute CW. Is there any way to make it more like the Benelli system Scalarworks is doing? If you are running a T1/T2, I would THINK that irons would be your "just in case" system, as which, so long as they are usable, you don't need them "in the middle of things". I like this sight picture:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/scalarworks_sync_benelli_aimpoint_micro_co-witness.png

That said, I have not looked through the CROM, so it's just thinking.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/1301-T1.jpgWhile subjective and individual dependant, once a target focus is used with the dot, the irons are basically unnoticed. None of the beta testers mentioned it being a problem or even noticeable, but again, ymmv.

The CROMs are completely machined and will be taken to anodizing tomorrow, so they will be in the hands of customers within a few weeks, so we'll be able to get a much bigger sample size.

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[Unobtanium]

While subjective and individual dependant, once a target focus is used with the dot, the irons are basically unnoticed. None of the beta testers mentioned it being a problem or even noticeable, but again, ymmv.

The CROMs are completely machined and will be taken to anodizing tomorrow, so they will be in the hands of customers within a few weeks, so we'll be able to get a much bigger sample size.

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Roger that!

[Buckshot]

While subjective and individual dependant, once a target focus is used with the dot, the irons are basically unnoticed. None of the beta testers mentioned it being a problem or even noticeable, but again, ymmv.

The CROMs are completely machined and will be taken to anodizing tomorrow, so they will be in the hands of customers within a few weeks, so we'll be able to get a much bigger sample size.

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As long as you can get 'em shipped B4 Nyeti's shotgun class, we're OK!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

As long as you can get 'em shipped B4 Nyeti's shotgun class, we're OK!

Hope he can Buck as I'd like to coon finger yours if it happens.

My want is the MP/Mossberg stock adapter but the pre-order per Adam won't happen until late Aug or early Sept.

[SeriousStudent]

As long as you can get 'em shipped B4 Nyeti's shotgun class, we're OK!

Oh, most definitely very yes.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Dropped off the CROMs at anodizing yesterday, should be done early next week. Then just laser engrave and they'll be ready to ship! Likely within the next week or two.

I made the fixtures for the stock adapter last night. Tomorrow I'll start really dialing it in - hopefully have the design finalized within a week, tweak g code, do some final testing, and get the final quotes on the custom hardware needed to mount it (which will be more than half of the total cost, but there's not any way around it). Definitely on pace for a late August pre-order (unless something unforseen happens). I'm pretty excited about it all... i definitely have some fun ideas planned.

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Dropped off the CROMs at anodizing yesterday, should be done early next week. Then just laser engrave and they'll be ready to ship! Likely within the next week or two.

I made the fixtures for the stock adapter last night. Tomorrow I'll start really dialing it in - hopefully have the design finalized within a week, tweak g code, do some final testing, and get the final quotes on the custom hardware needed to mount it (which will be more than half of the total cost, but there's not any way around it). Definitely on pace for a late August pre-order (unless something unforseen happens). I'm pretty excited about it all... i definitely have some fun ideas planned.

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Think I may need to pick up a CROM just to keep up w/ Buck & Serious @ our upcoming fun fest w/ DB, hmmm......

Adam I got a guy local to me that has an unused & NIB MP/Mossberg SGA stock that he just couldn't cotton to. Is there any reason this wouldn't work w/ your adapter plus the custom hardware that you mention above?

[Eric_F]

The 1301 keeps getting better and better. What's the current method of mounting a light to it?

I tried to sum up the light mounting methods back in December (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=537065#post537065), but it looks like there have been more experimenting since then so I'll update what I've seen.

The two main issues are the forend is very long and there is no clearance behind it for screws. So you're left either with a barrel mount way up front or a surface forend mount.

I am of course partial to my solution: (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=525730&viewfull=1#post525730) using some acrylate-based VHB tape to add a picatinny rail on the forend. I appear to be the odd one out here, but it's been working great. No loosening even after boxes of high power slugs and a case of birdshot. I've shot a few shotgun classes and a couple of matches with the light taken off and the pic rail has been fine. The 1301 is my HD gun and I have full confidence in the light mount, but to each their own.

Doc has posted (http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=225522&viewfull=1#post225522) his guns with the Briley extension with pic rails, though unfortunately the picture links are now dead.

Vandal has (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=574239&viewfull=1#post574239) the Nordic mag tube clamp with a pic rail section, but as he says, that requires quite a reach. This with a tape switch, as dfeder530 posted here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=613987&viewfull=1#post613987), might be the best of all solutions. This offset light mount (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=612749&viewfull=1#post612749)might help move the light closer as well.

Vladtepes used the same sort of mag clamp rail but made his own offset mount (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=609009&viewfull=1#post609009) to reduce the reach. It looks really nice (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=609703&viewfull=1#post609703), and if you're handy with angle iron (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=609824&viewfull=1#post609824) you might be able to make your own.

To sum up, most people go with the Nordic clamp mount, especially if you get an offset mount or tape switch, but there are other options.

[Dagga Boy]

Think I may need to pick up a CROM just to keep up w/ Buck & Serious @ our upcoming fun fest w/ DB, hmmm......

Adam I got a guy local to me that has an unused & NIB MP/Mossberg SGA stock that he just couldn't cotton to. Is there any reason this wouldn't work w/ your adapter plus the custom hardware that you mention above?

I need to get my TX4 finished before class. Need to figure out a side saddle and get a Micro on it. We should have a good time. It will make a good Test bed to see how all these 1301's run.

[Jackdog]

I need to get my TX4 finished before class. Need to figure out a side saddle and get a Micro on it. We should have a good time. It will make a good Test bed to see how all these 1301's run.

The Airidus Q-DC universal mount would be an excellent option.

I'll also be there with my Airidus 1301T.


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[LittleLebowski]

Yes, I've been running that optic on my 1301C. Took it through a two day shotgun class of about 500 rounds. Ran like a champ.

Awesome, thanks.

[Dagga Boy]

The Airidus Q-DC universal mount would be an excellent option.

I'll also be there with my Airidus 1301T.


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That was the original plan, but need to figure something else out. Will likely go with the Ares Gear one.

[SeriousStudent]

I need to get my TX4 finished before class. Need to figure out a side saddle and get a Micro on it. We should have a good time. It will make a good Test bed to see how all these 1301's run.

I am a big fan of having a test bed shotgun. I picked up a decent 870 Police Magnum today for a reasonable price. It was going to go to one of the nephews, but I am considering something else for it now.

I'll bring it to class after I fix the guts and get it slicked up next weekend.

[SeriousStudent]

The Airidus Q-DC universal mount would be an excellent option.

I'll also be there with my Airidus 1301T.


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Schweet! I have that 50-round box of Federal #1 Buck Flite-Control that I forgot to bring to your birthday party. I'll bring it to class for you.

[Jackdog]

Schweet! I have that 50-round box of Federal #1 Buck Flite-Control that I forgot to bring to your birthday party. I'll bring it to class for you.

Awesome! Thank you!


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[GyroF-16]

Yes, I've been running that optic on my 1301C. Took it through a two day shotgun class of about 500 rounds. Ran like a champ.

Okay- I'm interested in trying at that price point- what's the mounting method? Straight on the Pic-type rail on the receiver, or something else? Any elevated mounting required? Co-witness ability?

[LittleLebowski]

Yes, I've been running that optic on my 1301C. Took it through a two day shotgun class of about 500 rounds. Ran like a champ.

What mount did you use?

[LittleLebowski]

A few years back I bought some PA sights (not the micro), and when they died, PA replaced them without question. They died...a lot, lol! (on M4 5.56's)

Uncle Pat Rogers told me that he couldn't break a few of the Advanced Micro. So far, I haven't broken the one I have on my Scorpion Evo.

[RevM]

Mine's a 1301 comp. I used the Aimpoint Micro mount made by KE Arms. If I had a 1301T I would use the new mount from Aridus.

[HCM]

Uncle Pat Rogers told me that he couldn't break a few of the Advanced Micro. So far, I haven't broken the one I have on my Scorpion Evo.

There are different generations of the PA Advanced Micros. I think they are on gen 3. Gen 2 was a significant improvement over the originals.

[SpyderMan2k4]

That was the original plan, but need to figure something else out. Will likely go with the Ares Gear one.Nah, i got you

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[SpyderMan2k4]

Think I may need to pick up a CROM just to keep up w/ Buck & Serious @ our upcoming fun fest w/ DB, hmmm......

Adam I got a guy local to me that has an unused & NIB MP/Mossberg SGA stock that he just couldn't cotton to. Is there any reason this wouldn't work w/ your adapter plus the custom hardware that you mention above?The adapter and hardest are designed to work specifically with the Mossberg SGA.

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[Dagga Boy]

Nah, i got you

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Perfect. I look forward to trying it out.

[BenM2Tac]

Do factory new 1301's still have the shell dump issue? Someone in another thread mentioned a silent fix from Beretta.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Do factory new 1301's still have the shell dump issue? Someone in another thread mentioned a silent fix from Beretta.To my knowledge it hasn't been released yet

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[Unobtanium]

To my knowledge it hasn't been released yet

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Is it even in the works, or is this just rumor?

[Dagga Boy]

Nah, i got you

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Perfect. I look forward to trying it out.

Thanks to Adam I will be able to run the Aridus shell holders hard in the HiTS shotgun class in August on these two bad boys. Look forward to it and hope they work out well. So far impressed with the construction and the ability to remove them and have the gun back to a trim configuration if not needed.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Is it even in the works, or is this just rumor? I've heard directly from people there and saw a really early prototype. It's definitely more than rumor, but nobody knows when it'll ACTUALLY be available (i.e. big companies are slow to move).

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[Unobtanium]

I've heard directly from people there and saw a really early prototype. It's definitely more than rumor, but nobody knows when it'll ACTUALLY be available (i.e. big companies are slow to move).

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Is it "better" than "yours", or is it just them doing their own version of "yours"? Your fix always struck me as a bandaid. A nice one, yes, but one nonetheless. Do they actually FIX it?

[LittleLebowski]

Is it "better" than "yours", or is it just them doing their own version of "yours"? Your fix always struck me as a bandaid. A nice one, yes, but one nonetheless. Do they actually FIX it?

Tom Jones designed the fix and then open sourced it, FYI.

[Unobtanium]

Tom Jones designed the fix and then open sourced it, FYI.

It's a bandaid, though. Noone else has the issue Beretta does. I was wondering if they fixed it, of just packaged their own bandaid.

[Unobtanium]

The only correct fix is to have the bolt release only perform one function -- releasing the bolt. Unloading should be accomplished by reaching into the loading port and pushing the shell stop out of the way and removing the shells from the mag tube one at a time. Beretta USA knows this and I've detailed to them two relatively easy ways (with minimal manufacturing changes) to decouple bolt release and unloading.

EXACTLY. This was what I was getting at...did they do the smart thing like you stated, or just throw their own bandaid on it, was my query.

[LittleLebowski]

EXACTLY. This was what I was getting at...did they do the smart thing like you stated, or just throw their own bandaid on it, was my query.

My query is when are they hiring Tom?

[Unobtanium]

I'm a terrible employee, just ask my current boss.

Some employees exist because of the skillset. Not because they are warm and fuzzy. I have worked with plenty of them. Nephrology, Cardiology, and Surgery, come to mind.

The customer still benefits wildly!

[SpyderMan2k4]

Is it "better" than "yours", or is it just them doing their own version of "yours"? Your fix always struck me as a bandaid. A nice one, yes, but one nonetheless. Do they actually FIX it?I haven't handled one so i can't make that call

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[JM Campbell]

My query is when are they hiring Tom?

SOON


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[GJM]

At the end of my LEM focused practice session (USP 9T, USP FS .40, USP FS .45 and HK45C) this morning, I spent some time on steel arrays shooting my Aimpoint micro equipped 1301T and Benelli M2 14 inch. I was using high brass #6 bird shot. They both shot close enough on this test, that the choice for me comes down to features and specific attributes, rather than some obvious shooting difference.

[Jeep]

Beretta considers the "unload via bolt release" thing, rightly so, to be a feature. It's just a feature with a serious unintended consequence. This is also why I think my low profile (as opposed to the full coverage model) shroud design (http://taudevgroup.com/1301) is an ideal solution (or bandaid, if you prefer). It makes it essentially impossible to accidentally trigger the shell dump malfunction while still allowing the user to purposefully unload via the bolt release. For people who prefer to make the shell dump even more impossible, I offer the full coverage design.

I completely agree that the shrouds are bandaids, but my main design criteria were to prevent the issue, don't require permanent modification to the gun, be easy to install, inexpensive, and look "good". Without patting myself on the back too much, I think I nailed all those criteria and this is one of the most "perfect" things I've ever designed.

Nothing wrong with bandaids. I bought both a shroud and a full coverage one with the idea to try to shroud and switch to the full coverage if that didn't work. The shroud, though, works fine. Ingenious little device, and I suppose bandaids are ingenious little devices as well--I use them also.

[Rex G]

This thread is an interesting read, and I have enjoyed reading the posts, from time to time, and "liking" some of them.

My interest in Beretta shotguns, however, is academic, because I see no reason to collect multiple auto-loading shotgun systems, and my employer lists authorized shotguns for police duty, and expects us to use weapons on our qual list for off-the-clock defense of self and others, 24/7*. The only approved auto-loading shotgun has been the M1/M2 Benellis. I had an HK Benelli M1 Super 90 in the Nineties, but reverted to pump guns because the then-standard skimpy stock allowed recoil to thrash me without mercy. The M2's Comfortech stock lured me back to Benelli, late last year, and I wish I had not waited so long.

*Home defense is the only exception.

[GJM]

While I like the 1301, for a number of reasons the M2 works better for me. These reasons include:

1) availability of 14 inch barrels

2) ability to drill the fore end and add sling and light mounts

3) easier select slug operation, as I can chuck the round right in with the M2, as opposed to move the lifter out of the way

4) the Comfortech stock, with adjustable LOP Limbsaver pads

5) the four screw, Scalarworks mount for the Aimpoint micro

6) more support from OEM and after market stocks and barrels, and non-OEM accessories

[OlongJohnson]

Plus, if you want to be OCD scrupulous about 922(r), you can buy enough domestic parts to get under the wire and add an extension on the Benelli. Still a long way from that with the 1301.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Boom, design is nailed down. Now I just need to dial in the feeds and speeds to get the machine time down, but the hard part is done! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/b61d63c21c1625615dbd17789e73e4a5.jpg

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[SeriousStudent]

Boom, design is nailed down. Now I just need to dial in the feeds and speeds to get the machine time down, but the hard part is done! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/b61d63c21c1625615dbd17789e73e4a5.jpg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Boom, design is nailed down. Now I just need to dial in the feeds and speeds to get the machine time down, but the hard part is done! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170804/b61d63c21c1625615dbd17789e73e4a5.jpg

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Oh HELLs yes Adam, if only DB didn't have that SG tuneup @ the end of this month.

Oh well still anxious to pair it up w/ my 1301T & the MP/MB SGA that I'll have next Wed.

[SeriousStudent]

Oh HELLs yes Adam, if only DB didn't have that SG tuneup @ the end of this month.

Oh well still anxious to pair it up w/ my 1301T & the MP/MB SGA that I'll have next Wed.

* cough * beta user testing *cough *

If anybody could bust one, it would be me and OldRunner.

And I promise I'll mail it back after class is over. I'll even pinky swear on it!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

* cough * beta user testing *cough *

If anybody could bust one, it would be me and OldRunner.

And I promise I'll mail it back after class is over. I'll even pinky swear on it!

Me thinks dat beta thang could even be done under the HIGHLY observant eyez of DB, hell he could even be Adam's collection/bag man after said class is over, hmmm......

[orionz06]

Me thinks dat beta thang could even be done under the HIGHLY observant eyez of DB, hell he could even be Adam's collection/bag man after said class is over, hmmm......

I bet if you convinced him to head to Texas for the class and traded room and board he might be convinced.


Just thinking out loud here...


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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I bet if you convinced him to head to Texas for the class and traded room and board he might be convinced.


Just thinking out loud here...


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I'm 200 miles due east of the MetroMess but could certainly handle his transpo & groceries, just saying ...

[Jackdog]

I bet if you convinced him to head to Texas for the class and traded room and board he might be convinced.


Just thinking out loud here...


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I have a spare suite Adam can stay in and I can transport him to and from class


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[SeriousStudent]

I bet if you convinced him to head to Texas for the class and traded room and board he might be convinced.


Just thinking out loud here...


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Done.

Adam my lad, you are very welcome to bunk here at Rancho Serious in the the semi-official HiTS guest room if you wish. It's 30 minutes from the range.

I will, of course, provide a BBQ dinner worthy of consumption.

[SeriousStudent]

See? No lack of accommodations - we Texans are so friendly.

[Unobtanium]

Ugh. I am over here building another M4 Benelli, and these advances have me questioning it ever step of the way now, lol Looks good!

[Unobtanium]

I found this page very informative

https://www.practical-shotgun.com/category/beretta-1301


*no affiliation

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I found this page very informative

https://www.practical-shotgun.com/category/beretta-1301


*no affiliation

Thx for that Unob, the loading port mod. is something my 1301T has needed since day one, time to consult w/ Matthew now.

[Unobtanium]

Thx for that Unob, the loading port mod. is something my 1301T has needed since day one, time to consult w/ Matthew now.

I found the link very informative, as they go over, in detail, what breaks and what the high-wear parts of the gun are, after seeing actual use for a year or two years.

[SpyderMan2k4]

For the record, if anyone is going to Paul-E-Palooza, there's going to be some sweet 1301 stuff donated for the charity auction... may or may not be the first chance to own certain things :)

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[SpyderMan2k4]

For the record, if anyone is going to Paul-E-Palooza, there's going to be some sweet 1301 stuff donated for the charity auction... may or may not be the first chance to own certain things :)

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[OlongJohnson]

Anodizing shop goofed on the dye?

:D

[SpyderMan2k4]

Anodizing shop goofed on the dye?

:D My understanding is Paul Gomez was all about red, so a lot of stuff donated to the auction gets that treatment.

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[SpyderMan2k4]

Pretty pleased with how this all turned out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170812/b357cbffdd7e9cc7dcc9c2f207bddc62.jpg

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[Wondering Beard]

Looking good!

And by that I mean the set up, not the color, the color is fine though :-)

[MSparks909]

I think a 21" 1301 Comp is in my future...have been on the fence for quite a while about setting up a HD shotgun but at the same time I would like the *option* of using it in a future 2/3-Gun match if that opportunity arises. I also don't like fixed choke barrels or iron sights/red dots on my shotguns. Plan to add a Nordic extension, WML (pressure pad), Tom's bolt release shroud and a Match Saver shell holder. Will probably run 00 Buck for HD and an IC choke.

The 1301 will feel right at home...my current duck gun is an A400 Xtreme and I've got an A400 Xplor as a backup/dove gun.

[md8232]

Pretty pleased with how this all turned out. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170812/b357cbffdd7e9cc7dcc9c2f207bddc62.jpg

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This is my first shotgun, so how big a dot do I want on an Aimpoint?
They have 2MOA, 4MOA, and the S1 in 6MOA if it fits the new mount.

[CoGT3]

This $hit is about to get real!

19275

[SpyderMan2k4]

This is my first shotgun, so how big a dot do I want on an Aimpoint?
They have 2MOA, 4MOA, and the S1 in 6MOA if it fits the new mount.I've used both 2 and 4 on shotguns, I really haven't noticed a difference. Honestly, I'd go with whatever the best deal is.

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[SpyderMan2k4]

This $hit is about to get real!

19275 You bet! All the pre-orders shipped this morning, should be there in 2-3 days.

Tomorrow production starts on the stock adapters. I finalized a few other things today (pricing on the adapters as well as the stock/ adapter package, as well as shipping). I'll hopefully be receiving a sample of the custom fastener this week- once I verify those specs are good I'll begin the pre-orders.

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[md8232]

I've used both 2 and 4 on shotguns, I really haven't noticed a difference. Honestly, I'd go with whatever the best deal is.

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Thanks. I got an email about the CROM today too. I'm at the back of the line tho.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

You bet! All the pre-orders shipped this morning, should be there in 2-3 days.

Tomorrow production starts on the stock adapters. I finalized a few other things today (pricing on the adapters as well as the stock/ adapter package, as well as shipping). I'll hopefully be receiving a sample of the custom fastener this week- once I verify those specs are good I'll begin the pre-orders.

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Adam as I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are there 2 different items (adapter & custom fastener) we'll need to buy from you to use w/ the MP/Mossie stock on our 1301T's?

[SpyderMan2k4]

Adam as I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are there 2 different items (adapter & custom fastener) we'll need to buy from you to use w/ the MP/Mossie stock on our 1301T's? Nope, the adapter will come with the fastener, nut, L hex key, thread locker (though I'd be shocked if it needs it), and instructions. All you'll need is the stock, unless you go the pre-order package deal route where I'll be offering the stock and adapter (with necessary hardware) for a discounted price.

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[GyroF-16]

...unless you go the pre-order package deal route where I'll be offering the stock and adapter (with necessary hardware) for a discounted price.

oooh - please tell us more!

[SpyderMan2k4]

oooh - please tell us more!

Long story short, I have a distributor lined up that I can be a Magpul dealer. Because of the machine time and especially because of the custom hardware needed, the adapter will be a little bit pricey (no way around it, unfortunately). Offering a stock/adapter package will allow me to get everyone the adapter and stock (which they'll need for the adapter anyway if they don't already have a Mossberg SGA) at a better price. Because I don't have the capital to actually carry the stocks as inventory, I'm (at least short term) only doing the package deal as part of the pre-order. I.E. That way I'll have the money before actually purchasing the stocks, and I'll only need to purchase as many stocks as I need to fill the pre-order.

[rob_s]

Have we reached a point yet where the 1301 is "better" or at least "as good as" the Benelli? Or what do we need to do to make it so?

Along the same lines, what do I need to do in order to get the standard stock but barrel-mounted rifle sights on a 1301? and preferably a drilled & tapped receiver? That doesn't seem easily doable on the M2 and might be enough to sway me 1301 if it's easier to get there.

[rob_s]

Sounds like you were looking for the 11055 version of the M2. There was a new one on GB a few weeks ago for $895. I didn't realize that configuration had been discontinued.

19301

As far as I'm aware, there isn't a 1301 barrel with rifle sights.

Well crap on both counts. (a) the gun that is the topic of discussion isn't available the way that I want it and (b) the alternative (perhaps better?) gun doesn't come that way anymore and (c) I missed what seems to have been a great price on it.

OK, hijack over. I'm just having a hard time parsing the 54 page thread and only come back to it when I'm getting the impulse to buy a new shotgun...

[SpyderMan2k4]

Have we reached a point yet where the 1301 is "better" or at least "as good as" the Benelli? Or what do we need to do to make it so?

Along the same lines, what do I need to do in order to get the standard stock but barrel-mounted rifle sights on a 1301? and preferably a drilled & tapped receiver? That doesn't seem easily doable on the M2 and might be enough to sway me 1301 if it's easier to get there.I don't think there will ever be a consensus because "better" or "as good as" is still relatively subjective. There's no field model of the 1301, so for that the M2 would win by default. For tactical purposes, I'm inclined to say I'd prefer the 1301, especially if price is taken into account. I think the biggest area where the Benelli wins is if 922r is a concern - there's a lot of parts for the M2 and M4 to make them compliant.

In terms of the traditional view of "better" or "as good as" regarding performance, from what I've seen, overall? I personally would say it's as good as objectively, and possibly better subjectively. I don't think it gives up anything, and I've seen and heard of more than a few M2s that are sluggish, can have problems with push/ pull, can be more ammo sensitive, can have issues with weight being added to the gun (shell carriers, lights, optics, etc). Obviously not all of them, but enough that its not a secret that inertia guns might not perform as well.

I think the M4 is a LITTLE softer shooting, but it's probably because it weighs way more. Even still, I'd be shocked if my splits with the M4 were any better, especially if using reduced recoil loads in the 1301 (flight control 8 pellet, le133-00 is my preferred load). Some people complain the forend on the 1301 is too long because it makes mounting a light harder (which it does), but i definitely prefer it to the comparatively super short m4 forend.

Overall I'd say the 1301, M2, and M4 are in a different class than mostly anything else - to the point I'm pretty sure I'll never bother owning a 930, 1100, 1187, etc.

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[Unobtanium]

Have we reached a point yet where the 1301 is "better" or at least "as good as" the Benelli? Or what do we need to do to make it so?

Along the same lines, what do I need to do in order to get the standard stock but barrel-mounted rifle sights on a 1301? and preferably a drilled & tapped receiver? That doesn't seem easily doable on the M2 and might be enough to sway me 1301 if it's easier to get there.

It's just not as durable a system. More prone to breakage. The magazine tube scores and forms a divot where the carrier guides ride down it during initial cycling, the stamped metal components are prone to breaking at higher round counts, and I have seen the failure of at least 1 bolt pictured. It's a good gun, but they went cheap in the guts.

That, and mounting a light is still awkward compared to the Benelli M4.

Yes the Benelli M4 costs more. Yes, you get what you paid for, in my opinion, after owning several M4's, and looking at the issues detailed with the giblets of the 1301 as catalogued online. The only internal failures I have EVER heard of with the M4 Benelli platform are all on outdated components that have not been used in production guns in over a decade (barrels without the collar near the chamber end, and 4-port guns).

Some heavy users of the 1301 change mag tubes every season due to the scoring, and the breaking of internal components that are thing, stamped, and have 90* angles to them will allow the weapon to cycle and load as normal, but it will NOT go "bang" when you pull the trigger. At least the broken part is visible during PM, but that's not comforting as a whole to me. For lower volume users, the 1301 is likely a good idea, as a low volume user is a) less likely to break one, and b) more likely to complain about the cost of the weapon when the cost of the ammo to be put through it yearly is much lower.

My .02

[Lester Polfus]

I believe the 18.5" open rifle sighted barrels (part number 80028) have been discontinued too, but are currently available for $375 (http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/benelli-m2-barrels/80028) if you are amenable to piecing together a solution.

19302

I was looking at piecing together that combination, and it looked like it was cheaper to buy the pistol gripped shotgun with the 18.5" rifle sighted barrel, and replace the stock with a standard one.

[CoGT3]

Now that's an improvement! A lot less bulky than the Mesa Tactical rail replacement, plus aimpoint mount. As advertised gets the aim point right on top of the receiver. Subtle shift of cheek weld gets you from red dot down to ghost sight. To get the right cheek weld before I had to use the riser on the Mesa stock to get things lined up. Changed stock back to factory at the same time and no problems centering the dot. Doubt you will the risers on the Magpul stock either when it gets installed (when did you say preorder was opening?). Overall, love it. Great job.

BTW: if you try to install at the end of the day on less than 3 hours sleep read the directions closer than I did. Front screw from mount to receiver needs to be dropped in the mount before you attach the aimpoint. It sits slightly under the front lip of the aimpoint and will not slide by after attaching the aimpoint. It's was very clear in the instructions, being I just blew right past it.

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[rob_s]

Sounds like you were looking for the 11055 version of the M2. There was a new one on GB a few weeks ago for $895. I didn't realize that configuration had been discontinued.

Looks like the 11027 is another one, albeit also discontued.

http://www.eurooptic.com/benelli-m2-tactical-black-synthetic-comfortech-tactical-rifle-sight-185.aspx

[BillSWPA]

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[HeavyDuty]

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... Claudius?

[Inkwell 41]

... Claudius?

... Robot?

[HCM]

... Robot?

.... being of sound mind ?

[BillSWPA]

Hit the wrong thing while viewing the thread on my phone. Had no intention of posting anything.



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[Wondering Beard]

so then .. I Phone.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I received the samples of the hardware needed for the stock adapter yesterday, they are absolutely perfect. All the machining is done on the adapters (probably sandblast and send to anodizing tomorrow). From there, shipping will just depend on when the fasteners are done.

There's a few things I'm taking care of this morning, pre-orders will begin this afternoon! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/64a16093399f5eb70b6d7211ae9ef59e.jpg

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[John Hearne]

I received the samples of the hardware needed for the stock adapter yesterday, they are absolutely perfect. All the machining is done on the adapters (probably sandblast and send to anodizing tomorrow). From there, shipping will just depend on when the fasteners are done.

There's a few things I'm taking care of this morning, pre-orders will begin this afternoon! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/64a16093399f5eb70b6d7211ae9ef59e.jpg

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At least Beretta made it easy for you. :)

[SpyderMan2k4]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are live! The Aridus Stock Adapter is now available for pre-order. Through September 15, an ASA/SGA package is available. All fun things at wwe.aridusindustries.comhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/667e784451c0970cfa0c25627b886e5c.jpg

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are live! The Aridus Stock Adapter is now available for pre-order. Through September 15, an ASA/SGA package is available. All fun things at wwe.aridusindustries.comhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/667e784451c0970cfa0c25627b886e5c.jpg

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Now we're talking Adam & with the sale you currently have (ends 2400 today) seems I have a few items already in my basket

[Willard]

Does anyone know if the "fixed" 1301s are shipping, & if so, how to identify? By fixed, I am referring to the unloading feature being susceptible to unintended manipulation at a critical moment. BTW, I know Tom & Aridus offer a solution, but read somewhere Beretta was in the process of reworking and wanted to see what that entailed first.

[BBossman1]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are live! The Aridus Stock Adapter is now available for pre-order. Through September 15, an ASA/SGA package is available. All fun things at wwe.aridusindustries.comhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/667e784451c0970cfa0c25627b886e5c.jpg

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Orderededed!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Orderededed!

X2 here BBossman, done my part helping reload Adam's cash reserves.

[CoGT3]

X2 here BBossman, done my part helping reload Adam's cash reserves.

Put my money where my mouth has been again. Awesome news!

Adam, with the CROM and T1/2 have you had to use any of the cheek risers with the SGA stock?


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[SpyderMan2k4]

Put my money where my mouth has been again. Awesome news!

Adam, with the CROM and T1/2 have you had to use any of the cheek risers with the SGA stock?


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[SpyderMan2k4]

Just a quick reminder, today is the last day that the stock adapter/ stock combo is available. Once I have the final tally, I'll order the stocks tomorrow. Everything will ship as soon as I get the stocks.

Also, I've got a couple compete 1301T sets of red that are on the website if anyone was interested in those. That includes a universal Q-DC, latch and shroud, CROM, and stock adapter. Those are ready to ship.

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[JR1572]

One of my co-workers is trying to unload his 1301 Tactical for $500. Should I jump on this or not?

JR1572

[Mitch]

One of my co-workers is trying to unload his 1301 Tactical for $500. Should I jump on this or not?

JR1572

I'd almost buy it sight unseen at that price.


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[JR1572]

I'd almost buy it sight unseen at that price.


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It's in great shape. I'm just trying to decide if I need it to go with my M1S90 and 870...

JR1572

[Mitch]

It's in great shape. I'm just trying to decide if I need it to go with my M1S90 and 870...

JR1572

If you decide you don't want it I may be interested.


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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

It's in great shape. I'm just trying to decide if I need it to go with my M1S90 and 870...

JR1572

A mouth breathing nobody here but you have the pump covered w/ the 870, same w/ auto's & the M1S90.

IMO the 1301T gives you a decent alternative for gaming/whatever (I own one) to the Benelli but not w/ the same quality of components in it and the buy in @ $500 is very favorable for you.

[Cory]

For $500 you should certainly buy it. I haven't seen any for sale under $800.

-Cory

[DerekO]

Does anybody have any idea what specific 3M double sided tape Aridus Industries uses for the Universal Quick-Detach Carrier? I have a Mesa Tactical SureShell Aluminum Carrier and Rail, but now that I'm using the CROM I can't use the rail. I'm going to remove the rail piece and attach just the carrier to my 1301T using the same tape. After watching his tape strength video, it looks to be crazy strong and perfect for this. Unfortunately when you google "3M double sided tape" there seems to be 100s of products out there. Thanks in advance for any insight.

[DerekO]

Perfect. Greatly appreciated.

[SpyderMan2k4]

DerekO, unless he’s switched, he’s using 3M VHB 4611 (http://amzn.to/2jPuHem).Yep, that's correct

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Subject line refers to mods w/ my 1301T, as Adam’s MP SGA stock adapter concludes tweaks to my 3G/training gauge.

20550

[juancarlos]

Subject line refers to mods w/ my 1301T, as Adam’s MP SGA stock adapter concludes tweaks to my 3G/training gauge.

20550

Looks amazing. Very nicely done. I am hoping my stock adapter is in the mail.

[PGT]

My 1301 Tac arrives tomorrow. I need to get some stuff ordered from Aridus. Is their bolt shroud the best option? What's the purpose of the option from Beretta? Same thing? http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/extended-bolt-release-3-for-a400s-with-3-chamber/e01795/

[Lon]

My 1301 Tac arrives tomorrow. I need to get some stuff ordered from Aridus. Is their bolt shroud the best option? What's the purpose of the option from Beretta? Same thing? http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/extended-bolt-release-3-for-a400s-with-3-chamber/e01795/

Don’t forget Tom’s shroud, if he’s still making it.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m using Tom’s bikini shroud and like it a lot. That Beretta release looks a lot like what the 1301T already has...?

[RevM]

Nothing wrong with Aridus’ bolt release product, but Tom’s small shroud works like a charm. In fact it’s hard to get the shells to dump if you’re trying to make it happen.

[PGT]

ordered, thanks!

[Cecil Burch]

Still making them and will for as long as they are needed. I’ve got plenty in stock:

http://taudevgroup.com/1301

thank god. Got a chance to play with a 1301 in person a couple of weeks ago thanks to Jackdog, and I need to get one as soon as I can justify it to my wife.

[Dagga Boy]

thank god. Got a chance to play with a 1301 in person a couple of weeks ago thanks to Jackdog, and I need to get one as soon as I can justify it to my wife.

I d go with asking forgiveness rather than permission.

[GJM]

thank god. Got a chance to play with a 1301 in person a couple of weeks ago thanks to Jackdog, and I need to get one as soon as I can justify it to my wife.


I d go with asking forgiveness rather than permission.

You do have an 870, think she can tell it apart? That is my friend’s strategy with all black AR-15 rifles — never get a new one that looks different.

[Cecil Burch]

I d go with asking forgiveness rather than permission.

Hah! I wish! My wife is one of the few people on the planet I am truly in fear of.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I got a couple new prototypes on the 1301 to test out at the MDTS shotgun class on Saturday. Should be fun! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/e96ce1bd99b676029342ebd750e332bb.jpg

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[CoGT3]

I got a couple new prototypes on the 1301 to test out at the MDTS shotgun class on Saturday. Should be fun! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/e96ce1bd99b676029342ebd750e332bb.jpg

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Please tell me those are Mlok slots. A sure fire scout in an arisaka mount would finish that off perfectly


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[WobblyPossum]

I got a couple new prototypes on the 1301 to test out at the MDTS shotgun class on Saturday. Should be fun! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/e96ce1bd99b676029342ebd750e332bb.jpg

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You’re the man Adam! I’ve been waiting for something like this for a while. I didn’t want to have to add a magazine tube extension to mount a light to the gun. This will be perfect.


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[TCB]

That looks the business...

[Bigghoss]

I got a couple new prototypes on the 1301 to test out at the MDTS shotgun class on Saturday. Should be fun! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171019/e96ce1bd99b676029342ebd750e332bb.jpg

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[martin_j001]

So much want. That thing looks effing great!

[Nephrology]

You do have an 870, think she can tell it apart? That is my friend’s strategy with all black AR-15 rifles — never get a new one that looks different.

Literally how I got away with buying 3 new Glocks while dating my last girlfriend...

[Trukinjp13]

I remember hearing that a “new” 1301 was supposed to be coming out. I have not seen any literature on it. I believe it was Mr. Langdon who stated that.


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[Unobtanium]

May have already been answered, but I presume one can run an A400 charging handle on the 1301, instead of the "tactical" handle? What about the a400 bolt release, can it also be subbed, and will it "mag dump" like the 1301 tactical without shroud, or no?

Also those handguard prototypes...are the metal parts contacting the barrel etc. Where the oem does not, and if so, will that be production too, or is it just the way the prototype is fabbed up for the sake of testing?

[OlongJohnson]

What about the a400 bolt release, can it also be subbed, and will it "mag dump" like the 1301 tactical without shroud, or no?

I believe it was assumed early on that this would work, many times stated to be the case, then somebody got one and it would not work. I forget whether it was going to require modification or just wouldn't work at all.

I went with Tom's part. Since it sits directly below the charging handle when in battery, I saw no point to the low profile version.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Also those handguard prototypes...are the metal parts contacting the barrel etc. Where the oem does not, and if so, will that be production too, or is it just the way the prototype is fabbed up for the sake of testing?

The hand guard doesn't hug the barrel like the factory forend, so the ears on the adapter (contacting the barrel) help prevent unwanted rotation and flex.



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[Unobtanium]

The hand guard doesn't hug the barrel like the factory forend, so the ears on the adapter (contacting the barrel) help prevent unwanted rotation and flex.



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Understood.

[Unobtanium]

Looking at the 1301 assembly, it looks like the piston spring is what determines tension on the mag cap, ultimately, is this accurate?

[Keebsley]

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I would guess so. It would be kind of bulky looking and I'd be a bit concerned about interference between the sling and the light/mount.I'm trying to find a solution for a flashlight/sling solution like what you have but can't find that Noveske sling plate like yours. Where did you find it so I can snag one?

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[EPF]

Finally got my 1301T out to the farm with some friends a few weekends ago. This thing is just a pleasure to shoot. Subjectively much softer shooting than the mossberg 590 and Remington 1100 also present.

Put 200 rounds through it. 100 rounds of crappy low brass estate birdshot and the rest was a mix of federal #1 flight control, #00 flight control, some standard Remington military green hull #00 buck, and a handful of federal penetrator slugs. Starting right out of the box with the low brass stuff, the session was totally uneventful with no malfunctions of any kind.

Just installed Tom’s shroud. It really is an elegant solution. Cheap, easy to install, and it arrived about 48 hours after ordering.

[RevM]

I'm trying to find a solution for a flashlight/sling solution like what you have but can't find that Noveske sling plate like yours. Where did you find it so I can snag one?

Sent from my SM-G935T using TapatalkPretty sure I got it from MidwayUSA.

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[Unobtanium]

A mouth breathing nobody here but you have the pump covered w/ the 870, same w/ auto's & the M1S90.

IMO the 1301T gives you a decent alternative for gaming/whatever (I own one) to the Benelli but not w/ the same quality of components in it and the buy in @ $500 is very favorable for you.

Do you mean benelli guts are better or that the 1301 guts are lacking? Detail/explain?

[Unobtanium]

Is the CROM t2 and h2 compatible with the caps?

[HCM]

Pretty sure I got it from MidwayUSA.

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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/158353/noveske-quick-detach-sling-swivel-mount-for-nordic-components-shotgun-barrel-clamps-steel-black

[RevM]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/158353/noveske-quick-detach-sling-swivel-mount-for-nordic-components-shotgun-barrel-clamps-steel-blackThat's the one!

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[Unobtanium]

I have a Steiner MK7 that I bought for an 870 with a 14" barrel. I like the light as far as brightness goes. The manipulation of light is easy with an index finger however on the 870 it puts my finger out I front of the barrel and I reference Rule 3 :). On the 1301 it would be fine but you can't add any shot extension with the light. If you are good with the 5 then it would be an ok addition. I have a Streamlight light mount inbound that might be a good solution to mounting a light at the 6 o clock position on the 1301. I should have it today. Here is a pic of the light on the 870.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160603/14ff7313f5e709889074bc55b35d6b4f.jpg

Bump for questions on this light. How are they holding up, anyone?

[PGT]

I got my shroud in and promptly stripped the set screw. Good thing this is a common issue and BUSA got me a new one a day later. Suggested they change the spec on it to make it engage more than two threads before bottoming out on the cone (it never feels tight until it strips)

[Unobtanium]

I got my shroud in and promptly stripped the set screw. Good thing this is a common issue and BUSA got me a new one a day later. Suggested they change the spec on it to make it engage more than two threads before bottoming out on the cone (it never feels tight until it strips)

Seriously? 2 threads? Does Aridus use oem or custom hardware? Are they, too, 2 threads eng.?

[PGT]

Seriously? 2 threads? Does Aridus use oem or custom hardware? Are they, too, 2 threads eng.?

Here's a pic...you can see how far the threads engaged.

https://i.imgur.com/dJMU1Hgh.jpg

the other side is plenty deep....so, its clear Beretta-Italy should be spec'ing a longer set screw.

https://i.imgur.com/pVeVZWJh.jpg

[SpyderMan2k4]

Seriously? 2 threads? Does Aridus use oem or custom hardware? Are they, too, 2 threads eng.?The YT-1301 comes with 2 new screws (in case one gets mangled somehow). They have 6 or 7 threads engaged, so stripping would be difficult.

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[Cecil Burch]

Thread engagement for fasteners is a surprisingly complicated (and nerdily interesting) topic. There's lots of racist math (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28251-Professor-Says-Math-is-Racist) you can do, and various rules of thumb for it. It's commonly accepted that 3 threads of engagement are the minimum you should design to, while some prefer 5, and others say that you want the length of thread engagement to match the diameter of the screw/bolt.

The OEM screw has ~3.25 threads (or approximately half the screw diameter) of engagement. The Aridus screw has ~6.75 (or approximately the full screw diameter) of enagement.


You are such an engineering nerd. i never would have thought about that.

There is a reason I got my Bachelor's in Psychology and not a hard science.........

[orionz06]

Thread engagement for fasteners is a surprisingly complicated (and nerdily interesting) topic. There's lots of racist math (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?28251-Professor-Says-Math-is-Racist) you can do, and various rules of thumb for it. It's commonly accepted that 3 threads of engagement are the minimum you should design to, while some prefer 5, and others say that you want the length of thread engagement to match the diameter of the screw/bolt.

The OEM screw has ~3.25 threads (or approximately half the screw diameter) of engagement. The Aridus screw has ~6.75 (or approximately the full screw diameter) of enagement.

Then there is "feel good." I've had people tell me that I needed at least 3/8" engagement on 8-32 screws to be considered acceptable for a holster...

[Unobtanium]

Wow. Yeah, 12 threads oughta do it. :)

Consider that 25 in-lb on the screw is around 800ish or something pounds pressure on the threads.

Now we can argue about torque to friction value, or torque to angle value. Thread/bolt stretch. K-factor using different threadlockers vs. light machine oil vs dry. Oh...this is a glorious rabbit hole that I explored with Nightforce, Leupold, Kahles, and Vortex!

[OlongJohnson]

Screw To Win (https://www.amazon.com/Nuts-Bolts-Fasteners-Plumbing-Handbook/dp/B001OXCTSI/)

[peterb]

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/beretta-1301-tactical-revisited/

Highlights the Airdus and Tau parts for the 1301.

[PGT]

Beretta released a shroud as well. Just a piece of plastic, no proper-length screw

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-1301-bolt-shroud-kit/eu00074/

[SpyderMan2k4]

Beretta released a shroud as well. Just a piece of plastic, no proper-length screw

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/beretta-1301-bolt-shroud-kit/eu00074/ well it took them a couple years to get that far, maybe in a couple more years they'll use a screw with good thread engagement lol

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[PGT]

I'm seeing info on another forum that there was a redesign / upgrade of the 1301 underway so perhaps this is a stop-gap for those who own original guns.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I'm seeing info on another forum that there was a redesign / upgrade of the 1301 underway so perhaps this is a stop-gap for those who own original guns.That's been my understanding

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[El Cid]

Beretta made a version of my low profile shroud (which is awesome!) and redesigned the bolt release lever mechanism for new guns.

I hope you were appropriately compensated.

[9mm_shooter]

I guess this has been out for a while, but I just found out about it a few minutes ago. Beretta now has an aluminum picatinny rail available for the 1301 Tactical for a very reasonable $35 (in stock and ready to ship).

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/1301-tac-alu-pic-rail-aluminium-rail/e01985/

I'll take two! :cool:They sell ridiculously overpriced $250 waxed cotton coats, so yeah... $35 for an aluminum pic rail is very reasonable. I also was going to order a couple, but only one was in stock.

Thanks for the heads up!

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[PGT]

Have you visited a Beretta Gallery? They're a lifestyle brand that poses as a gun company sometimes, like Orvis does for fishing. Orvis sells $750 waxed cotton coats, by the way....

[Bigghoss]

Have you visited a Beretta Gallery? They're a lifestyle brand that poses as a gun company sometimes, like Orvis does for fishing. Orvis sells $750 waxed cotton coats, by the way....

"Beretta. For the sophisticated person who enjoys bird hunting and capping bad dudes in style."

[PGT]

the majority of their business is the well-heeled O/U & SxS shotgun owner, not the tactical or handgun market.

[Tabasco]

How does one mount a light to a 1301?

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

How does one mount a light to a 1301?

Several options mentioned here previously but I used the piece of pic. rail that came w/ my Nordic +2 extension.

[OlongJohnson]

I guess this has been out for a while, but I just found out about it a few minutes ago. Beretta now has an aluminum picatinny rail available for the 1301 Tactical for a very reasonable $35 (in stock and ready to ship).

http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/1301-tac-alu-pic-rail-aluminium-rail/e01985/

I'll take two! :cool:

Back in stock. Wish they'd made the slots full-width. Waiting for something like free shipping or a discount in a little more than two weeks. Hoping it's in stock then.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Back in stock. Wish they'd made the slots full-width. Waiting for something like free shipping or a discount in a little more than two weeks. Hoping it's in stock then.

Also notified they’re back in stock, now to find something else to hit $49 & qualify for free shipping & 10% off.

[juancarlos]

So this was posted in another thread, looks like some changes coming for the comp model.

https://i.imgur.com/RnuMtGJ.jpg?1

[Standard]

I wish they'd release an aluminum charging handle too. I don't like the feel of that plastic piece.

[juancarlos]

I wish they'd release an aluminum charging handle too. I don't like the feel of that plastic piece.

There is a few places making them now. I bought an aftermarket steel one.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

There is a few places making them now. I bought an aftermarket steel one.

JuanC whose CH did you buy & anyone else here replaced their CH?

Information/knowledge is good so links/info. & user feedback after your install w/ shells down range is mo better.

[juancarlos]

JuanC whose CH did you buy & anyone else here replaced their CH?

Information/knowledge is good so links/info. & user feedback after your install w/ shells down range is mo better.

I bought the Briley from PSHQ for the A400 (it fits the 1301). I shot in one 3gun match no issues, prefer the feel over the original. I would have liked to try the KE Arms as it has some nice checkering but I am in Canada and they would not ship it.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I bought the Briley from PSHQ for the A400 (it fits the 1301). I shot in one 3gun match no issues, prefer the feel over the original. I would have liked to try the KE Arms as it has some nice checkering but I am in Canada and they would not ship it.Yeah shipping to Canada is a little annoying. It helps that shotgun parts aren't regulated by ITAR, but having to deal with customs and more involved shipping, plus increased costs, isn't something everyone wants to do.

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I bought the Briley from PSHQ for the A400 (it fits the 1301). I shot in one 3gun match no issues, prefer the feel over the original. I would have liked to try the KE Arms as it has some nice checkering but I am in Canada and they would not ship it.

Saw on Enos’s forum tonite a user of the Briley CH you bought had it lock the gun up & the KE version is currently out of stock.

[juancarlos]

Saw on Enos’s forum tonite a user of the Briley CH you bought had it lock the gun up & the KE version is currently out of stock.

No issues with mine and I know another person running it also no issues. I compared the insert end with the original before install and it seemed to be an exact match.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

No issues with mine and I know another person running it also no issues. I compared the insert end with the original before install and it seemed to be an exact match.

Thx for the feedback Juan, also noticed a sim. version to Aridus’s CROM minus the GR rear on KE arms, sorta spendy though compared to the OEM Beretta offering.

[bigslim]

What ammo is everybody using for practice? Is there anything that replicates Flight Control?

Mike

[Unobtanium]

What ammo is everybody using for practice? Is there anything that replicates Flight Control?

Mike

I just use Flite control or bird-shot, depending.

[Tabasco]

What ammo is everybody using for practice? Is there anything that replicates Flight Control?

Mike

The only thing that replicates FliteControl is the Hornady PD or Black 8 pellet load. Those uses their "Versitite" wad which is based on the same design as FliteControl. No cheaper though for practice. The LE FlteControl by the case is pretty cheap, SGAMMO or LuckyGunner usually has it in stock. I just use regular buck and move closer. I have an old case of the Federal low recoil 9 pellet load I'm using at the moment.

[LittleLebowski]

Anyone here got a rail for the 1301 that they want to get rid of for cheaper than the factory price of $65?

Was also looking at this: https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/shotgun-bases/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-short-rail-prod68077.aspx

[SeriousStudent]

Anyone here got a rail for the 1301 that they want to get rid of for cheaper than the factory price of $65?

Was also looking at this: https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/shotgun-bases/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-short-rail-prod68077.aspx

Do you need a factory rail for a 1301 Tactical or a Competition?

I have one of the older polymer rails for a 1301 Tactical that you can have if you need it.

[SeriousStudent]

If I’m not mistaken, he’s got a 21” Competition model.

Rats, I am pretty sure those are not interchangeable.

Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[LittleLebowski]

Thanks, guys. For the Competition model.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Disregard my bad.

[DamonL]

Thanks, guys. For the Competition model.

If you are mounting an Aimpoint, the S1 will clamp on the vent rib.

[DamonL]

Then my suggestion won't work. :)

[RevM]

The mount for the Competition models from KE will work with the Primary Arms Aimpoint clones.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/3b36d850852a9a28b441ea3200da0e10.jpg

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[RevM]

Except for the recent batch of $69 "blems" that were machined incorrectly and have bases that are not Aimpoint Micro compatible. :)Ah ... that's not a blem, that's a reject IMO. ;)

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[Shellback]

What differences are there between the Aridus and the factory rail? Is the main difference the optic co-witness?

[Matt O]

Optic co-witness and also not plastic.

[SpyderMan2k4]

What differences are there between the Aridus and the factory rail? Is the main difference the optic co-witness?It's a direct mount, so it sits lower to allow for a consistent cheek weld and the ability to co-witness the iron sights. Plus, like mentioned, machined aluminum.

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[LittleLebowski]

Except for the recent batch of $69 "blems" that were machined incorrectly and have bases that are not Aimpoint Micro compatible. :)

The way I understand it is that they will only work with that base and that base will attach to anything.

[TCinVA]

What differences are there between the Aridus and the factory rail? Is the main difference the optic co-witness?

Co-witness is good, but the main benefit is that it drops the dot low enough so that the dot is right in the center of your focus when you mount the gun. Red dots are a tad slower on shotguns simply because most of them sit too high. The CROM fixes that.

[vladtepes]

is there a way to have the 130 tactical threaded to accept chokes?

[Shellback]

Co-witness is good, but the main benefit is that it drops the dot low enough so that the dot is right in the center of your focus when you mount the gun. Red dots are a tad slower on shotguns simply because most of them sit too high. The CROM fixes that.

Does anyone know if the factory aluminum version does the same thing?

[Resilient]

I am new here, but looked through the thread as best I could for any 922(r) compliant parts but came up dry.

I have my letter from ATF listing my parts I can replace, and I can get a follower, but according to the list they gave me I need one other US made part. I am considering the Magpul adapter and stock, as the buttstock was listed as a part.

But I was wondering if there were any other cheaper US made aftermarket parts that anyone knows of now that the gun has been out for awhile. Foregrips? Internal bits?

Does Beretta making any parts domestically that are used on their other shotguns that fit the 1301?

Thanks!

[OlongJohnson]

IANAL

CFR-2002-title27-vol1-sec178-39


§ 178.39 Assembly of semiautomatic rifles
or shotguns.
(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
(b) [snip]
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:


(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearms, handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates

[T.D. ATF–346, 58 FR 40589, July 29, 1993]

I would suggest taking that list, identifying which of those items are present in your shotgun, counting them, and then figuring out how to replace as many as you need to get down to a count of ten.

So far, with a Nordic Comp follower and Magpul buttstock, I still come up with 12 parts. A US-made magazine tube (not just an extension) and forearm would get there, but the odds of both of those happening are slim. The best bet would be for someone to come up with a completely domestically made drop-in trigger group, which would include
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
and by itself get you down to ten parts, by my count. But when I bugged all the trigger companies about something like that a few years ago, they all said it's not going to happen. Now that the Magpul stock is an option to go with the NC follower, just a hammer and sear would get you there. By my count. But I don't work for BATFE, and I'm not a firearms engineer or a lawyer.

[Resilient]

I have the letter from ATF.

Receiver
Barrel
Bolt
Bolt carrier
Trigger housing
Trigger
Hammer
Disconnector
Buttstock
Forearm
Magazine Body
Follower

Those are the parts the letter says are on my 1301 the follower is easy from Nordic. Its different from other letters apparently, but it is the official one they sent to me, so I am going with it.


just a hammer and sear would get you there. By my count. But I don't work for BATFE, and I'm not a firearms engineer or a lawyer.

Is there somewhere to get a US made hammer?

[KeeFus]

Does anyone know if the factory aluminum version does the same thing?

Just a note about the BUSA polymer rails...they suck. A very large agency here is replacing all the rails on the receiver. Over time, the screws would back out. Often the screws would then be screwed back down and, given that the person would likely over tighten, the screw would pull through the polymer rail enough to block/stop the bolt.

[OlongJohnson]

I have the letter from ATF.

Receiver
Barrel
Bolt
Bolt carrier
Trigger housing
Trigger
Hammer
Disconnector
Buttstock
Forearm
Magazine Body
Follower

Those are the parts the letter says are on my 1301 the follower is easy from Nordic. Its different from other letters apparently, but it is the official one they sent to me, so I am going with it.

Is there somewhere to get a US made hammer?

My understanding is that the letters may back up your intent to follow the law, but they are not legal judgements. A "finder of fact" in a court of law will determine facts based on the law, not a letter. There are statements at the supreme court level that the courts consider an administrative agency's opinion about the meaning of the law to be worth the paper it's written on.

With that prelude, I have not found any US-made trigger parts for the 1301.



Just a note about the BUSA polymer rails...they suck. A very large agency here is replacing all the rails on the receiver. Over time, the screws would back out. Often the screws would then be screwed back down and, given that the person would likely over tighten, the screw would pull through the polymer rail enough to block/stop the bolt.

If my plan was to keep a Pic rail on the gun, I'd buy the BUSA aluminum rail for sure. The OE screws that come with the polymer rail suck even more than the rail. I posted about why, and where to find vastly better replacements, earlier in this thread. I don't know if they'll work with the aluminum rail, but if it's machined for the same screws as the polymer rail, I'd use them instead of the BUSA screws.

[Doug]

I have the letter from ATF.

Receiver
Barrel
Bolt
Bolt carrier
Trigger housing
Trigger
Hammer
Disconnector
Buttstock
Forearm
Magazine Body
Follower

Those are the parts the letter says are on my 1301 the follower is easy from Nordic. Its different from other letters apparently, but it is the official one they sent to me, so I am going with it.



Is there somewhere to get a US made hammer?

Thanks for the part list.

If that is the official list, then changing to the Aridus Magpul stock plus follower would make 10 or stock plus, if it comes out, - Airdus Magpul forearm.

For those that want to extend capacity yet be 922r, looks easy and good to go...


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[Unobtanium]

Thanks for the part list.

If that is the official list, then changing to the Aridus Magpul stock plus follower would make 10 or stock plus, if it comes out, - Airdus Magpul forearm.

For those that want to extend capacity yet be 922r, looks easy and good to go...


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It's officially the opinion of the agent on that day at that time, only for the recipient of the letter. I wish people would stop contacting the batfe. It's like talking to a police officer. It won't help you in court, but it can hurt you. Resist the urge to do so. If you want legal advice, contact a lawyer, and document the meeting as constitution of legal advice on the subject.

[BillSWPA]

It's officially the opinion of the agent on that day at that time, only for the recipient of the letter. I wish people would stop contacting the batfe. It's like talking to a police officer. It won't help you in court, but it can hurt you. Resist the urge to do so. If you want legal advice, contact a lawyer, and document the meeting as constitution of legal advice on the subject.

The last time the annual NRA meeting was in Pittsburgh, I attended the firearms CLE. The head of the BATFE was one of the presenters. The number of questions he answered with “I don’t know” was disturbing, particularly since they were all questions that, in my opinion, someone in his position should have been able to answer.

If that is the head of the agency, why should we expect better from anyone else employed there?

I would be very careful about relying on an opinion from them, and would confirm it with a lawyer admitted in your state and familiar with firearms law.



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[Unobtanium]

The last time the annual NRA meeting was in Pittsburgh, I attended the firearms CLE. The head of the BATFE was one of the presenters. The number of questions he answered with “I don’t know” was disturbing, particularly since they were all questions that, in my opinion, someone in his position should have been able to answer.

If that is the head of the agency, why should we expect better from anyone else employed there?

I would be very careful about relying on an opinion from them, and would confirm it with a lawyer admitted in your state and familiar with firearms law.



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For legal reasons, I will not go into it, but I am not surprised with your experience. I do not contact the BATFE. For anything. If I cannot "get it done with a form", I don't do it.

[OlongJohnson]

I have witnessed a situation in which the law that led to the creation of a form, the language on the fill-in section of the form, and the instructions attached to the form, were all very clear and in agreement. The LGS employee apparently didn't like reading, called the BATFE help desk to ask what to do, and was told specifically to do otherwise than all the documentation directed. So, yeah...

[LittleLebowski]

I need two more of these screws in order to mount my Primary Arms RDS (not the blem!) to my KE Arms mount, anyone know which ones they are?

[StraitR]

I need two more of these screws in order to mount my Primary Arms RDS (not the blem!) to my KE Arms mount, anyone know which ones they are?


Look like Y.F.S 012.9 but no way to know pitch.

ETA: A few I found...

pitch 0.4... https://www.amazon.com/Hexagon-Socket-Countersunk-Nickel-Plating/dp/B0745YCW3R/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1512952565&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=yfs+012.9+countersunk

This place seems to have a few options.... http://www.rcbees.com/YFS-Grade-12-9-Flat-Head-Screw-M2x12mm-p/hfm212.htm

[SpyderMan2k4]

I need two more of these screws in order to mount my Primary Arms RDS (not the blem!) to my KE Arms mount, anyone know which ones they are?It uses an M3x.05 thread pitch, probably either a 5 or 6mm long screw. I'd contact KE and see what they recommend exactly.

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[OlongJohnson]

YFS is one of the world's leading manufacturers of socket-head fasteners. Odds are good of any hardware store that has that part supplying YFS.

[LittleLebowski]

Look like Y.F.S 012.9 but no way to know pitch.

ETA: A few I found...

pitch 0.4... https://www.amazon.com/Hexagon-Socket-Countersunk-Nickel-Plating/dp/B0745YCW3R/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1512952565&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=yfs+012.9+countersunk

This place seems to have a few options.... http://www.rcbees.com/YFS-Grade-12-9-Flat-Head-Screw-M2x12mm-p/hfm212.htm

KE Arms is sending some more, they responded to my email quickly and on a Sunday.

[StraitR]

KE Arms is sending some more, they responded to my email quickly and on a Sunday.

22233

[Erick Gelhaus]

... but am quite pleased with the 1301--this new Beretta is nothing like the abysmal 1201.

So, I dug the 1201 out of the back of the safe this morning and shot it today. Who has decent (or better) prices on a 1301?

[SeriousStudent]

Are you looking for the Tactical or Competition model?

I got my 1301 Tactical here:

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-1301-Tactical-Semi-Auto-12-GA-Shotgun-p/j131t18le.htm

[GyroF-16]

Are you looking for the Tactical or Competition model?

I got my 1301 Tactical here:

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-1301-Tactical-Semi-Auto-12-GA-Shotgun-p/j131t18le.htm

That’s where I got mine, too. Decent price, good service.

[GyroF-16]

Double tap.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Are you looking for the Tactical or Competition model?

I got my 1301 Tactical here:

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-1301-Tactical-Semi-Auto-12-GA-Shotgun-p/j131t18le.htm


That’s where I got mine, too. Decent price, good service.

Thank you gentlemen, much appreciated.

[DocGKR]

I actually prefer the Competition model--larger loading gate...

[overton]

But all the accessories work only for the t model?

[SpyderMan2k4]

But all the accessories work only for the t model?Depends on what accessories you're looking at

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[overton]

CROM?

[OlongJohnson]

KE Arms has an Aimpoint Micro direct mount for the Comp.

[SpyderMan2k4]

KE Arms has an Aimpoint Micro direct mount for the Comp.Yeah, that's probably the best option

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[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Slight lane veer but I’m looking forward to the new Haught inspired mod on the CROM being released SOON.

[SeriousStudent]

Slight lane veer but I’m looking forward to the new Haught inspired mod on the CROM being released SOON.

Which is?

[SeriousStudent]

Ah, the "Friendly Ghost" ring sights.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Which is?More apertures are on order from XS (and they're in stock). Should be available by the end of the year as an option on new CROMs. Separate apertures will be available on their own as well for mounts already in the wild or for people that want both options. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/c755cc3a994c4edade8e00fabd9c4914.jpg

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[StraitR]

^^^^ Great visual Adam, thank you. I really like that sight picture. I think I'll do this to my M4.

Here is Rob showing an example on a Wilsons/SGT sight.

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[Erick Gelhaus]

I actually prefer the Competition model--larger loading gate...

Carrying a 14" slug gun at work I'm a wee bit spoiled. What are the benefits to a twenty-something inch barrel? Why would I want one?

[DocGKR]

Cut the barrel to where you want--I simply like the larger loading port/gate on the comp models.

[Dagga Boy]

Carrying a 14" slug gun at work I'm a wee bit spoiled. What are the benefits to a twenty-something inch barrel? Why would I want one?

My newest Benelli is a 3 gun model. The factory modified loading gates, and vent rib barrels are the big plus for me to use with the new Aimpoint that mounts on the rib. As for the 21" barrel......long extension tube.
GJM is using a 3 gun cut to 14. Having some of the competition features outweighs having to have the barrel cut to what you want.

[Unobtanium]

Cut the barrel to where you want--I simply like the larger loading port/gate on the comp models.

Not to de-rail too far, but wasn't one of the things noted a while back that in over 10,000 surveillance videos or violent encounters of the armed variety, only 1-2 reloads actually took place? It seems like if you move better/can use better a shorter barrelled weapon, that the loading port is what one might wish to sacrifice for that aspect vs. vis-versa? OF course "both is best" as you write above, but if you plan to "buy and leave be"?

[Dagga Boy]

Not to de-rail too far, but wasn't one of the things noted a while back that in over 10,000 surveillance videos or violent encounters of the armed variety, only 1-2 reloads actually took place? It seems like if you move better/can use better a shorter barrelled weapon, that the loading port is what one might wish to sacrifice for that aspect vs. vis-versa? OF course "both is best" as you write above, but if you plan to "buy and leave be"?

I've done hundreds of select slug transitions in the field. I guess nobody filmed it. I guess nobody had a camera in Nickerson Gardens during the LA Riots. I could go on, but.....not on video. The cost of correctly doing a loading gate and bigger ports and that kind of work from the factory is a huge benefit versus the inexpensive cost of shortening a barrel that a ton of folks can easily do.

[Bigghoss]

Paying a gunsmith to cut a barrel to a specific length properly and reinstall the bead is only about $50. Pretty much a non-factor.

[jellydonut]

I didn't realize cutting ribbed barrels was such a routine job, that's nice to know.

What about threading the barrel for chokes again after the cut?

[Unobtanium]

I didn't realize cutting ribbed barrels was such a routine job, that's nice to know.

What about threading the barrel for chokes again after the cut?

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[Bigghoss]

I didn't realize cutting ribbed barrels was such a routine job, that's nice to know.

What about threading the barrel for chokes again after the cut?

Also pretty common. A lot of times when someone pays to have a shotgun barrel shortened they will also have the barrel threaded for chokes at the same time.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I didn't realize cutting ribbed barrels was such a routine job, that's nice to know.

What about threading the barrel for chokes again after the cut?Might have issues because the barrels are chrome lined. For example, Vang Comp won't/ can't do work on them because of that, so installing chokes might have similar difficulty. It can be done mechanically, but perhaps not without compromising the integrity of the chrome lining.

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[HCM]

Has anyone else here run the 1301 with a Mesa pistol grip stock ?

A few months ago I picked up used 1301 with several accessories including an installed Mesa Urbino PG stock. Our 870's at work have Speedfeed 13' PG stocks and I previously ran a PG stock on my Benelli M1 and I've never had issues with either. I'm not sure what it is about the Mesa PG stock but it beats the crap out of my hand an wrist when I shoot it. I'm thinking it might be the angle at the juncture of the stock and PG ?

[Crusader8207]

My 1301 has the Mesa stock on it. I did have to modify the spacer between the stock and the receiver as the bolt would strike it as the gun was cycling. With that being said, I really like the Mesa Urbino stock and have had no issues with it beating the crap out of my hand or wrist. I also run an Urbino on an 870 and a Mesa telescoping LEO stock on another. The other modification I did, was swap out the grip on the Mesa for a Benelli M4 grip. The Mesa one is ver blocky where the Benelli one is rounded and fits the hand better.

[SeriousStudent]

I had the Mesa on mine when I bought it. It did not really cause me any issues with pain in my hands. That's pretty neat, since I have arthritis in both of them.

But I did buy the Aridus adapter and put a Magpul stock on mine for commonality. I have the Magpul stock on three of my 870's, and love the ergos. Since I am running an Aimpoint Micro, I wanted the adjustable comb height. I can to that with the Mesa, but the rise on the Magpul is perfect. It's also easier for me to rig a BFG sling the way I like it.

[jellydonut]

Might have issues because the barrels are chrome lined. For example, Vang Comp won't/ can't do work on them because of that, so installing chokes might have similar difficulty. It can be done mechanically, but perhaps not without compromising the integrity of the chrome lining.

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This is my worry, but I think I'm just going to have to compromise the chrome lining and be vigilant about corrosion prevention after shooting. It's that, or have a completely unwieldy gun, kinda screwed either way.

I need the choke threads too because that's how you attach a suppressor, and the suppressor is the main reason I want the barrel shorter than 21" anyway.

[GJM]

Cut the barrel to where you want--I simply like the larger loading port/gate on the comp models.

It is been a few years since I looked at this, but wouldn’t you need to buy the 24 inch 1301 model, so that you’re not cutting in the middle of the chokes?

[GJM]

Before I forget, there is more to cutting barrels than chokes, and that is the rib spacing on the vent rib. A 21 inch Benelli M2 barrel cuts perfectly to 14 inches. I haven’t figured out what M2 vent rib barrel cuts best to 18-18.5 inches, but I know the spacing on the 26 inch barrel that comes with the short LOP Comfortech M2 model is not the right spacing. I need to get to a shop with some different barrel length M2 shotguns and measure to see which barrel length cuts best to 18.