Beretta 1301 Tactical

[GearFondler]

Why the hell don’t they include that?And why the hell is it $20? Add one to each kit and it's bound to be cheaper to produce.

Edit to add: I still wouldn't use it but only because I hate the idea of needing to undo a bolted/thread-locked clamp + anything bolted onto the clamp just to break down the shotgun.

[OlongJohnson]

Those silicone sheets appear to have significant thickness. That's a problem, because the clamp is machined to match the radius of the barrel and mag extension. The silicone would just spread the two clamp pieces apart, but when they start to wrap around to the top and bottom of the tubes, they're reducing the radius of the space available for the barrel and extension in a direction different than they move, so the geometry of the whole system ends up fubared. It's not entirely surprising to me that they'd sell that, after my experience trying to install a Nordic clamp on a 870 and having it not fit right due to the "one clamp fits all" attempt. The 1301 clamp is made specifically for the 1301, so it at least fits without the gasket in it. I'd only try this with something like tape, or maybe spray-on Plasti-Dip on the inside of the clamp.

[23JAZ]

Aridus ASA back in stock. Just snagged one.

[Cory]

My incredibly indepth technical review, filmed this afternoon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud9WDGjY0A

[vaglocker]

I haven’t been using the clamp.

Same here as of now i have now use for it.

[23JAZ]

My incredibly indepth technical review, filmed this afternoon.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rud9WDGjY0A

LMAO. That was pretty much my reaction too.

[23JAZ]

I gave up trying to read through this entire thread. Can someone tell me if adding a CROM, the Nordic extension, Nordic follower, Magpul stock and forend would make a 1301T 922r compliant. I’m pretty sure that’s everything LTT adds to his 1301s and they are compliant.

[OlongJohnson]

This is my post where I say everything I think I have to say about that.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical/page230&p=709490#post709490

Embedded in it is a different conclusion than is in the letter from BATFE that Mr. Langdon has written that he has on file. Neither he nor I seek an argument, so everybody has to decide for themselves what to think and do.

[zpelletier]

This is my post where I say everything I think I have to say about that.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical/page230&p=709490#post709490

Embedded in it is a different conclusion than is in the letter from BATFE that Mr. Langdon has written that he has on file. Neither he nor I seek an argument, so everybody has to decide for themselves what to think and do.

Has anyone seen the letter he has? Ive read through your post previously, and I see your argument, and follow the math that you did. However, I have a hard time believing he would sell something that isn’t compliant.

[23JAZ]

Has anyone seen the letter he has? Ive read through your post previously, and I see your argument, and follow the math that you did. However, I have a hard time believing he would sell something that isn’t compliant.
I looked through the LTT site and this is all that I could find.
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[zpelletier]

I looked through the LTT site and this is all that I could find.

I’ve seen that as well. I just wanted to compare OlongJohnson’s parts list versus what the letter.

[Sal Picante]

For the LTT 1301 fans out there:

p/CMP_S1NDPPa

Man... I wish USPSA would make a PSG division for some of use shotgun shooters... I bet Eyesquared would be all over that.

:rolleyes:

[BlooDReDRagE]

Hey! Been following the thread for a little while and it made me pick up my first 1301. Could anyone give me a lead on where to find an Aimpoint CROM mount for it? They seem to be OOS everywhere.

[Cory]

For the LTT 1301 fans out there:

p/CMP_S1NDPPa

Man... I wish USPSA would make a PSG division for some of use shotgun shooters... I bet Eyesquared would be all over that.

:rolleyes:

Sweet. What slugs were you running?

I gotta get down there for another match with y'all.

[tactical1]

https://www.langdontactical.com/ltt-1301-shotgun/

"Get some" as JM would say

[Sal Picante]

Sweet. What slugs were you running?

I gotta get down there for another match with y'all.

Federal Low Recoil LE slugs... I had a case of those...

[OlongJohnson]

Hey! Been following the thread for a little while and it made me pick up my first 1301. Could anyone give me a lead on where to find an Aimpoint CROM mount for it? They seem to be OOS everywhere.

Just sign up for "back in stock" notices everywhere, starting with Aridus.

[AlwaysLearning]

A friend asked me about the Mossberg 590A1 and when I looked on Gunbroker...most of the "buy now" guns are priced the same or within $100 of a 1301. What is going on!?!

...after years of following this thread, I told my friend to think about the Beretta instead.

[23JAZ]

Why are people cutting the mag spring when adding the Nordic extension? I know it’s says to do so in the instructions but if the OEM spring works with 5 rounds I’m not following why you would want to cut it after extending the tube. I didn’t cut mine and I get 7 rounds in the tube with a little more than a 1/4 inch of play. I only have 100 rounds through the gun but I haven’t had any issues. Is the cutting only for the Nordic supplied spring?

[OlongJohnson]

Is the cutting only for the Nordic supplied spring?

Yes. Per the Nordic supplied instructions.

As I understand it, they supply one extra-length mag spring that works for all the different mag extension lengths. It's up to the installer to set it to the correct length for the particular tube being used.

[Cory]

I'm looking forward to the nordic at some point.

I noticed my gun is only holding 4+1 instead of 5+1 with 2 3/4" shells. I removed the block rods, but seems like I'm not getting full capacity. Anyone dealt with this?

[NPV]

I'm looking forward to the nordic at some point.

I noticed my gun is only holding 4+1 instead of 5+1 with 2 3/4" shells. I removed the block rods, but seems like I'm not getting full capacity. Anyone dealt with this?

If you’re using shells with a roll crimp that is fairly normal. There’s so much variability in shotgun shell length I view listed capacity as a suggestion.

Even mine with a Nordic extension only holds 6. I can stuff a 7th in but it is extremely tight, when I hit the ejector there’s a delay before it spits a shell onto the carrier.

[Cory]

If you’re using shells with a roll crimp that is fairly normal. There’s so much variability in shotgun shell length I view listed capacity as a suggestion.

Even mine with a Nordic extension only holds 6. I can stuff a 7th in but it is extremely tight, when I hit the ejector there’s a delay before it spits a shell onto the carrier.

Odd. I was using Federal flight control 9 pellet 00 buck. A shell that many have used 5+1.

[GyroF-16]

Odd. I was using Federal flight control 9 pellet 00 buck. A shell that many have used 5+1.

I seem to remember a black plastic cylinder that clicks into the end of the magazine to retain the spring when the large metal retaining “nut” (the stock thing at the end of the tubular magazine) is removed. It has to be removed to add a magazine extension. But as I removed it, it was obvious that it reduced both the length of the mag tube, and the diameter in the last inch or so.
I have a vague recollection that other users reported needing to remove it to get five shells into even a stock length magazine.
I’d like to be helpful and post a picture of the part, but I am on the road, I won’t be home for several days.
Hope this helps some, though.

[dogcaller]

I just picked up a 1301T from FunBroker and wanted to give it a go before the storm closed the range. It was pretty impromptu and I was trying to beat the storm so I just grabbed an ammo can full of assorted 12 ga shells that I've accumulated. If nothing else, it would allow me to test the reliability with different loads, from the cheapest and lightest field loads through high-base duck loads, buck, and slug. I found that the 1301 is as-advertised reliable. It gobbled everything up without a hitch. I have a Benelli M1S90 that I was comparing it to in my mind. I love my Benelli--I'm definitely impressed with the 1301. I appreciate the light weight and shorter length of pull. My M1S90 has a pistol grip stock that I really like, but I didn't see to miss it.

It cycles fast, but I don't know that it could tell it as being faster than my M1, which is also extremely fast. I love the ghost-ring sights (my M1 has rifle sights). I look forward to shooting it some more. It recoils like a 6.5lb shotgun will, but somewhat less than the Benelli. 3" slugs off the bench definitely ring the bell a bit. When I opened the shotgun case I found a plastic "plug" there next to the shotgun, so I was surprised when I got to the range and found that it would only load 2+1. Apparently I'll have two plugs.


I didn't fiddle with the sights but found that slugs are impacting left. Not a surprise that 50 yds is too far for 00B, but it's pretty devastating @ 10 yds. Looking forward to getting more trigger time.

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[JimBobWe]

Aridus addresses the situation with the Magpul handguard here: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/1301hga-blk/

I also think there’s information included with the handguard...

Thanks for info.

Don't think I got that info included in my shotgun, though. (Already had the handguard installed.0

[CGA]

Same here as of now i have now use for it.

So how are you connecting a sling? Or are you just not using one ...

[23JAZ]

Came home from vacation to some Aridus goodies! Now just waiting on the Aridus forend in-stock notification! Has anyone flipped the safety to the left side on there’s? Planning on doing that today and I’m wondering if there are any helpful tips. TIA
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[Clusterfrack]

Aridus addresses the situation with the Magpul handguard here: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/1301hga-blk/

I also think there’s information included with the handguard...

I ended up going back to the OEM handguard after trying the Aridus/Magpul solution. The QD mount position was good, but the QD and light don't feel very solid. The plastic Magpul handguard feels flimsy and flexes at the attachment points. I like the ergos and feel of the OEM handguard better.

[Andy in NH]

Has anyone flipped the safety to the left side on there’s? Planning on doing that today and I’m wondering if there are any helpful tips.
I switched mine to lefty for a short time, but eventually switched it back and trained through it.
I've got several other long guns with right handed safeties and didn't want to get mixed up "in the moment".
This was the video I used to help me with the 1301 safety reversal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n7ZwkaJdZo

[23JAZ]

I switched mine to lefty for a short time, but eventually switched it back and trained through it.
I've got several other long guns with right handed safeties and didn't want to get mixed up "in the moment".
This was the video I used to help me with the 1301 safety reversal:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n7ZwkaJdZo
I’ve only ever ran Mossbergs because of the safety position. One of the many reasons I was sold on the Beretta was the ability to switch the safety around. I never really thought about training through it but then again it’s the only shotgun I have with the safety positioned there.
Maybe I’ll try it out as is for a bit. Any manipulation tips?

[Andy in NH]

I’ve only ever ran Mossbergs because of the safety position. One of the many reasons I was sold on the Beretta was the ability to switch the safety around. I never really thought about training through it but then again it’s the only shotgun I have with the safety positioned there.
Maybe I’ll try it out as is for a bit. Any manipulation tips?

I tried the 930 for the safety position, but it was unreliable.
Other research I did indicated they tended to be finicy.
I'm not a trainer, so there are probably others who know better, but in these videos you can see me reach around or under the trigger guard to manipulate the 1301 safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw4yBVsC1PU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLrD8UpPHpQ

[BlooDReDRagE]

Anyone try out the TacCom extension on the 1301? I ordered the +1, so with the end cap it should give me +2. I have no idea how it's even going to look on my 1301 lol. Hopefully good!

[Doc_Glock]

I ended up going back to the OEM handguard after trying the Aridus/Magpul solution. The QD mount position was good, but the QD and light don't feel very solid. The plastic Magpul handguard feels flimsy and flexes at the attachment points. I like the ergos and feel of the OEM handguard better.

I agree with this and while I kept the Aridus on my original 1301, when I got a back up I just stayed with the OE hand guard. I did change the stock on both though.

[vaglocker]

So how are you connecting a sling? Or are you just not using one ...

not using one

[TCinVA]

A friend asked me about the Mossberg 590A1 and when I looked on Gunbroker...most of the "buy now" guns are priced the same or within $100 of a 1301. What is going on!?!

2020 happened. Shotguns became really, really popular for defensive purposes and prices went through the roof.

[GJM]

LGS reports any shotgun that looked tactical sold in a nano second in 2020.

[GearFondler]

LGS reports any shotgun that looked tactical sold in a nano second in 2020.I'm betting it was a big year for the Turkish shotgun makers. [emoji38]

[TCinVA]

I'm betting it was a big year for the Turkish shotgun makers. [emoji38]

Lots of shit tier shotguns got sold.

The few that actually took them out to shoot broke them rather quickly.

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

hi evryone. nice to meet u.

I bought the briely M-lok hundguard that was released in January of this year.
It will arrive in Japan soon, so I will post a review and a photo when it arrives.

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I bought briely M-lok hundguard because there was no store to send aridus hundguard to Japan.
I plan to install this handguard and this rear sight.

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[Clusterfrack]

hi evryone. nice to meet u.

I bought the briely M-lok hundguard that was released in January of this year.
It will arrive in Japan soon, so I will post a review and a photo when it arrives.


Thanks for posting, and welcome to P-F. Somehow I missed this release. It looks really nice, and obviously much more solid than the Aridus/Magpul solution.
https://www.briley.com/p-64587-briley-3gun-m-lok-handguard-beretta-1301.aspx

$325 is spendy, but it might be worth it. Looking forward to reviews.

[OlongJohnson]

Notice this detail:


Fits:
1301 Comp Pro
1301 Competition
1301 Tactical (please note, the 1301 Tactical has a shortened gas system and will bleed gas through the M-Lok slots. We are working on a variant for this gun. No ETA yet.).
A400 Xtreme (all versions)

[TCinVA]

I did not read the fine print and ordered one:

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I added BCM's MLOK rail panels along the bottom of the handguard where gas can bleed from on the Tactical models. In four boxes of shells fired rapidly I haven't noticed any issues with gas bleed impacting my hands. Even when short-stocking the gun.

So far, so good.

All of that said, it is a stupid expensive way to mount a light compared to the other available options for the 1301. It's a tax writeoff for me, so I don't mind the money so much. But it's no more effective than the Streamlight 870 mount as it stands right now. If you upgrade your light to a tape switch it will likely be better...but, again, more $$$ for the same end result.

If you find yourself getting burned by the barrel the Briley rail does a magnificent job of keeping your delicate phalanges away from the heat, even when short-stocking the gun with a gorilla grip.

[HeavyDuty]

I did not read the fine print and ordered one:

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I added BCM's MLOK rail panels along the bottom of the handguard where gas can bleed from on the Tactical models. In four boxes of shells fired rapidly I haven't noticed any issues with gas bleed impacting my hands. Even when short-stocking the gun.

So far, so good.

All of that said, it is a stupid expensive way to mount a light compared to the other available options for the 1301. It's a tax writeoff for me, so I don't mind the money so much. But it's no more effective than the Streamlight 870 mount as it stands right now. If you upgrade your light to a tape switch it will likely be better...but, again, more $$$ for the same end result.

If you find yourself getting burned by the barrel the Briley rail does a magnificent job of keeping your delicate phalanges away from the heat, even when short-stocking the gun with a gorilla grip.
Interesting. I’ve held off on restocking my 1301T, but I could be tempted with that configuration.

[23JAZ]

I did not read the fine print and ordered one:

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I added BCM's MLOK rail panels along the bottom of the handguard where gas can bleed from on the Tactical models. In four boxes of shells fired rapidly I haven't noticed any issues with gas bleed impacting my hands. Even when short-stocking the gun.

So far, so good.

All of that said, it is a stupid expensive way to mount a light compared to the other available options for the 1301. It's a tax writeoff for me, so I don't mind the money so much. But it's no more effective than the Streamlight 870 mount as it stands right now. If you upgrade your light to a tape switch it will likely be better...but, again, more $$$ for the same end result.

If you find yourself getting burned by the barrel the Briley rail does a magnificent job of keeping your delicate phalanges away from the heat, even when short-stocking the gun with a gorilla grip.
That looks sweet but damn that’s expensive! I’ll wait for the Magpul forend from @SpyderMan2k4 (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9990) to come back in stock. I’m checking my email often hoping to see my back in-stock notification.

[Cory]

Just picked up a nordic extension from optics planet. $129 and free shipping.

[TCB]

Kosuke, what is that rear sight? I think I need one...

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

Kosuke, what is that rear sight? I think I need one...

https://www.briley.com/p-61204-briley-rear-sight.aspx

this one.

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

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today, i got new hundguard.
it need mag extension to attach handguard becouse of original mag end is too short.

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[BlooDReDRagE]

I have a brand new 1301 FDE and I'm thinking about two toning it. Anyone with a black stock and forend want to swap, or sell me theirs if they already swapped them out for Magpul goodies?

[sammage]

I have a brand new 1301 FDE and I'm thinking about two toning it. Anyone with a black stock and forend want to swap, or sell me theirs if they already swapped them out for Magpul goodies?

PM sent, I have the black OEM furniture off my 1301.

[OlongJohnson]

Put on my Aridus ASA this morning. Figured I'd share a couple details.

0. Once you get the factory stock off and clean the oil off the receiver, it may be a good idea to put some masking tape around the perimeter of the rear of the receiver. The machined corners are quite crisp (actually slightly burred) and it is very easy to crack the anodizing off that sharp edge, leaving a bright spot. Not a big deal for one's own hard use gun, but still annoying. If someone was paying you, they'd likely object or at least be disappointed with that result.

1. The instructions say it "may be helpful" or something like that to use a heat gun to remove the factory stock retaining rod. I tried it without, and it didn't work. A little heat, just enough to make the back of the receiver mildly uncomfortable to hang onto, allowed it turn reasonably easily. It wasn't hot enough to significantly affect Loctite, although I obviously don't know if that's the compound Beretta used. It was warm enough to make the aluminum receiver grow a little more than the steel rod adaptor, loosening the threads. On this basis, I'd only do this with the heat gun if I ever did it again.

I did pop the fire control group out of the receiver just to be sure I didn't cause any problems with heat and the plastic.

Also, my 12mm open-end wrench measures ~12mm+0.005 in between the flats, which allows it to rotate pretty far before it starts applying torque to the 12mm flats. A Crescent wrench tightened down snugly to the Beretta flats worked better.

2. Whatever thread-retaining compound you use when installing the Aridus screw adaptor, it will work better if you solvent-clean the threads in the receiver to get rid of all the oil before assembly.

3. The instructions say to tighten the Aridus screw adaptor with pliers. It's 7mm across the flats and I have a 7mm open end wrench, so I used that to avoid marking the part.

4. I cut the short end of the included hex wrench about in half. Shortened, it actually fits inside the tool clearance cavity in the SGA stock so you can torque the nut without having to fight interference between the tool and the stock. Worth it to eliminate annoyingness this time and available for all future times, however many that is or isn't.

Hope this helps someone.

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Sorry I havent been following the thread.

The new 1301 mag release button will still dump all the rounds on the lifter by lifting on the front of the button?
Is this correct? Is this seen as a problem by anybody?

Whats the consensus screw in choke or fixed?

[Cory]

Added the Nordic extension. Still want a magpul stock, and some kind of light. Probably going to do the 870/pistol light combo.

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[GearFondler]

Sorry I havent been following the thread.

The new 1301 mag release button will still dump all the rounds on the lifter by lifting on the front of the button?
Is this correct? Is this seen as a problem by anybody?


That is incorrect. Lift up the front and one shell ejects... Lift again for the next shell.
It's also virtually impossible to create a scenario where the tab would be accidentally lifted, however, if you somehow managed it there would be the original double-feed jam.

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Please dont want to read the whole thread. What the preferred method to mount a light?
And also who makes the preferred tube extension for the tactical model.
BIL just ordered one and need to get the accessories ordered so thanks in advance.
Oh this is going to be for home defense, and classes.

[Coyote41]

Mounting a light is a pain. There is a whole thread on the pain of putting a light on it. It comes down to 922r making the simplest method (ext tube and clamp) difficult.

To be 922r compliant and use an extension tube light mount, you have to replace parts (I have yet to see how mant but I think 3). So for that you’d need aridus handguards and a mesa tac or aridus stock and nordic US follower. Good luck finding any of it in stock. I’m hunting for a zhukov adaptor daily.

I tried drilling the stock handguard for a rail but there is just no clearance. I’ve settled on am 870 light mount by streamlight, but it’s only temporary because it lacks a detent for the handguard cap. GGG makes one with a detent, but it’s still a bandaid design until Aridus can get caught up enough to get more product out.


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[Cory]

Please dont want to read the whole thread. What the preferred method to mount a light?
And also who makes the preferred tube extension for the tactical model.
BIL just ordered one and need to get the accessories ordered so thanks in advance.
Oh this is going to be for home defense, and classes.

Nordic 1301 extention. It's flush and brings you to 7+1.
Streamlight 870 light mount with a pistol light is used by TCinVA who is the moderator of the shotgun section and a scattergat teacher. Others have used various mounts attached to the Aridus MLOK forend with click caps or tape switches.

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Mounting a light is a pain. There is a whole thread on the pain of putting a light on it. It comes down to 922r making the simplest method (ext tube and clamp) difficult.

To be 922r compliant and use an extension tube light mount, you have to replace parts (I have yet to see how mant but I think 3). So for that you’d need aridus handguards and a mesa tac or aridus stock and nordic US follower. Good luck finding any of it in stock. I’m hunting for a zhukov adaptor daily.

I tried drilling the stock handguard for a rail but there is just no clearance. I’ve settled on am 870 light mount by streamlight, but it’s only temporary because it lacks a detent for the handguard cap. GGG makes one with a detent, but it’s still a bandaid design until Aridus can get caught up enough to get more product out.


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thats s convoluted mess. Do you have a link to this thread? I was going to tell him to get the nordic extension with rail and call it a day. Holy cow this is gonna cost a lot of money to hang a light.

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Nordic 1301 extention. It's flush and brings you to 7+1.
Streamlight 870 light mount with a pistol light is used by TCinVA who is the moderator of the shotgun section and a scattergat teacher. Others have used various mounts attached to the Aridus MLOK forend with click caps or tape switches.

Thanks! So I have to ask Nordic has a kit that includes a barrel/tube bracket that has rail. Did this come out maybe after The solution from TCinVA was arrived at or is his simply better?

[Coyote41]

thats s convoluted mess. Do you have a link to this thread? I was going to tell him to get the nordic extension with rail and call it a day. Holy cow this is gonna cost a lot of money to hang a light.

It is a mess. Anyone who says “just put a nordic extension” on it risks running afoul of a very vague federal statue involving 922r. If someone wants to point me to a source that there are only 10 Italian parts on a 1301, please do.


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[Andy in NH]

Please dont want to read the whole thread. What the preferred method to mount a light?
And also who makes the preferred tube extension for the tactical model.
BIL just ordered one and need to get the accessories ordered so thanks in advance.
Oh this is going to be for home defense, and classes.

Maybe not the preferred method to mount a light, but this is what I did (more details in post #3552 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=1092569&viewfull=1#post1092569)):


I wasn't happy with the light system I used in post #3512 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=989548&viewfull=1#post989548), so I recently did this:

Surefire M600U Scout Light (1000 lumens), Surefire Rail Mount Tape Switch Model SRXX, Magpul M-LOK Extended Cantilever Scout Mount, Impact Weapons Components MOUNT-N-SLOT Direct Attach Mount.
(Keep in mind that I'm a left handed shooter.)

Left side:
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Maybe not the preferred method to mount a light, but this is what I did (more details in post #3552 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=1092569&viewfull=1#post1092569)):

Nice job Andy in NH. Are you still using that system?

[Andy in NH]

Nice job Andy in NH. Are you still using that system?

Yes, but I did reverse the position of the light switch and sling mount.
The sling mount is now in front of the switch, which is the way my rifles are also.

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

hi everyone.
I attached VORTEX UH-1 my 1301.
I want to know what optics is the best on 1301.
please tell me about what optics do u attach on 1301.

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[ssb]

hi everyone.
I attached VORTEX UH-1 my 1301.
I want to know what optics is the best on 1301.
please tell me about what optics do u attach on 1301.

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I use an Aimpoint Micro in an Aridus CROM mount. This keeps the optic as low as possible on the shotgun.

[Phaedrus]

Please dont want to read the whole thread. What the preferred method to mount a light?
And also who makes the preferred tube extension for the tactical model.
BIL just ordered one and need to get the accessories ordered so thanks in advance.
Oh this is going to be for home defense, and classes.

Hello, everyone! I somehow thought I'd registered years ago but apparently not. At any rate, now I have! I just got my 1301 a few days ago. So far the only mod I've made is adding a Steiner Mk7 WML. It replaces the end cap of the mag tube. Seems pretty durable and it's pretty bright for 1 x CR123a.

I just wanted to mention that I contacted GG&G and they've told me they'll have a light mount coming out for the 1301 Tactical "within a month". This was maybe two weeks ago. I neglected to ask if it will be a rail & sling loop mount but I hope it is! As cool as the Aridus parts are the only one I really want is the adapter to use the Mossy version of the SGA stock. IMO it's the best shotgun stock ever made.

Unfortunately I wrecked my shoulder about the time I ordered the Beretta so I've yet to fire it. I've got an arthroscopic surgery scheduled for this Friday on my shoulder (and crossing my fingers that I won't need a full replacement!:p). Once I mend up a bit I'll be hoping to try 'er out!:cool:

[DAF69]

Hello, everyone! I somehow thought I'd registered years ago but apparently not. At any rate, now I have! I just got my 1301 a few days ago. So far the only mod I've made is adding a Steiner Mk7 WML. It replaces the end cap of the mag tube. Seems pretty durable and it's pretty bright for 1 x CR123a.

I just wanted to mention that I contacted GG&G and they've told me they'll have a light mount coming out for the 1301 Tactical "within a month". This was maybe two weeks ago. I neglected to ask if it will be a rail & sling loop mount but I hope it is! As cool as the Aridus parts are the only one I really want is the adapter to use the Mossy version of the SGA stock. IMO it's the best shotgun stock ever made.

Unfortunately I wrecked my shoulder about the time I ordered the Beretta so I've yet to fire it. I've got an arthroscopic surgery scheduled for this Friday on my shoulder (and crossing my fingers that I won't need a full replacement!:p). Once I mend up a bit I'll be hoping to try 'er out!:cool:

I've been reading this forum for some time and just registered too. I'm curious to see what GG&G comes up with. I have the SGA stock but I like the solid feel of the Beretta hand guard. Except for not being able to mount a light on it. Where did you pick up the Steiner. It looks they have discontinued this accessory. And good luck on your shoulder.

[23JAZ]

Liking the 403R.
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[TCinVA]

Thanks! So I have to ask Nordic has a kit that includes a barrel/tube bracket that has rail. Did this come out maybe after The solution from TCinVA was arrived at or is his simply better?

I have the Nordic extension on my gun but I still used the 870 Streamlight mount because the barrel clamp on the Nordic extension was wearing the finish on my barrel. The clamp is necessary for the rail on the Nordic setup to be used. It also complicates disassembly for maintenance.

So I abandoned that quickly in favor of the Streamlight 870 mount which works just fine even with the magazine extension.

[RancidSumo]

I know this will probably not be a surprise to anyone here, but I did some back-to-back buckshot testing at the range today through my 1301. Picked up a case of Rio 00 a few weeks ago for training and this is how it patterned 4 rounds at 7 yards:

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Compared to two rounds of 9 pellet Flite Control:

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[pizzaboy]

http://acmfs.com/firearm/1301/130120181031.PNG

http://acmfs.com/firearm/1301/1301220181031.PNG

http://acmfs.com/firearm/1301/1301320181031.PNG

http://acmfs.com/firearm/1301/1301420181031.PNG



Beretta 1301 Update

Got the barrel back from being threaded..

​​​​​​​Magpul Stock
Aridus Stock Adapter
Mesa Shell Holder
Magpul Sling
Surefire Pressure Switch
Nordic Extension
Magpul Sling Mounts
Homemade Light Mount
Surefire Scout Light
Barrel threaded by Rose Action Sports
Briley Chokes
blitzkrieg Front Sight (working on building a fiber optic option)
Opened loading port

Can you please repost this picture? It appears to be lost and I would like to see what you did with the light mount while keeping the factory forend.

[Biggy]

My Beretta 1301 Tactical set up just how “I” want it. The Sig Romeo 4T in a ADM QD low mount gives a less cluttered sight picture and a more heads up position, but I still get a solid cheek weld with QD capability. I tried RMR open and closed emitter type optics, but prefer the Romeo 4T over them. A Modlite and Modlite M-lok switch. The Modlite is in a Magpul aluminum M-lok mount, which kicks the light out front just enough where it doesn't light up the front sight at all and I can activate the switch with either hand. Not shown, a Magpul MS1 padded sling. I will probably add the Aridus shell carrier at some point. I prefer the Remington #1 buck but also use the Federal Tactical 00 buck.


https://i.imgur.com/0ssUAvJl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Uzcbkd8l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/elYupPnl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dOFrmynl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U1DO7pMl.jpg

[23JAZ]

My Beretta 1301 Tactical set up just how “I” want it. The Sig Romeo 4T in a ADM QD low mount gives a less cluttered sight picture and a more heads up position, but I still get a solid cheek weld with QD capability. I tried RMR open and closed emitter type optics, but prefer the Romeo 4T over them. A Modlite and Modlite M-lok switch. The Modlite is in a Magpul aluminum M-lok mount, which kicks the light out front just enough where it doesn't light up the front sight at all and I can activate the switch with either hand. Not shown, a Magpul MS1 padded sling. I will probably add the Aridus shell carrier at some point. I prefer the Remington #1 buck but also use the Federal Tactical 00 buck.


https://i.imgur.com/0ssUAvJl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Uzcbkd8l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/elYupPnl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dOFrmynl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U1DO7pMl.jpg
what is under the barrel clamp?

[Biggy]

what is under the barrel clamp?

Just some temporary grip tape. They actually make a thin gasket for the Nordic barrel clamp, if you feel the need for one.

[HeavyDuty]

I’m not sure if all of these 1301T items are actually new, but GG&G just sent an email about these accessories:

https://www.gggaz.com/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-accessories.html

[Phaedrus]

I’m not sure if all of these 1301T items are actually new, but GG&G just sent an email about these accessories:

https://www.gggaz.com/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-accessories.html

I was just swinging by to post that! The mount is new, only been out for a week or ten days. I will be getting mine soon.:cool:

[HeavyDuty]

I’ll probably be ordering a flashlight mount. Is the magazine extension new? I have the Nordic, but I know they can be hard to source.

[Phaedrus]

I believe it's new. I might consider it down the road but there are 922r concerns. Mostly though a mag tube extension is a pretty low priority to me, mostly I'm concerned with having a light, then a sling, then maybe an optic. Capacity brings up the rear of my field of concerns.

[23JAZ]

Thanks to a forum member I was able to get an Aridus handguard to finish my 1301! Thank you CF!
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[GJM]

Europtic has 1301 shotguns in stock.

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks to a forum member I was able to get an Aridus handguard to finish my 1301! Thank you CF!
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Looks great!

[Phaedrus]

Thanks to a forum member I was able to get an Aridus handguard to finish my 1301! Thank you CF!
7080370804

That's dead sexy!:cool:

[trajiiic]

Hello,

New forum member here. I have just receive my 2nd gen 1301T Marine after eyeballing one for a long time. I would like to thank everyone here for this thread, I've learned a whole lot going through the majority of the pages.

I have yet to fire the gun. I've been practicing loading and unloading with dummy rounds a whole lot to get the manual of arms down. I want to make sure I'm not a liability on the range. I tried to RTFM, but I have a funny story about that. Inside the box there is a paper which has a QR code to take you to the online manual. Well, the url is usermanual.beretta.com, which is a dead link. I did find the manual eventually, but it's for all Beretta semi-auto shotguns and I did not find it very helpful. I am totally new to shotguns but I have experience with other platforms from the military and EDC.

Also, my 2nd gen came with a Beretta CYL choke and a 3 round limiter installed. I've read other reports that it comes with an IC or both IC & CYL. I've removed the limiter and am now at the 5 round capacity.

I have some parts on order from GG&G. They have yet to ship, but I will give an update once I have them. I plan on shooting the shotgun 100% stock prior to making changes.


Ammo is hard to source but this is what I have right now:

Olins/Winchester "Military" 00 Buck
Spartan 00 Buck
Sterling slugs

not the best ammo, but Federal Flite Control is not easy to find right now. More updates to come.

[RancidSumo]

Hello,

New forum member here. I have just receive my 2nd gen 1301T Marine after eyeballing one for a long time. I would like to thank everyone here for this thread, I've learned a whole lot going through the majority of the pages.

I have yet to fire the gun. I've been practicing loading and unloading with dummy rounds a whole lot to get the manual of arms down. I want to make sure I'm not a liability on the range. I tried to RTFM, but I have a funny story about that. Inside the box there is a paper which has a QR code to take you to the online manual. Well, the url is usermanual.beretta.com, which is a dead link. I did find the manual eventually, but it's for all Beretta semi-auto shotguns and I did not find it very helpful. I am totally new to shotguns but I have experience with other platforms from the military and EDC.

Also, my 2nd gen came with a Beretta CYL choke and a 3 round limiter installed. I've read other reports that it comes with an IC or both IC & CYL. I've removed the limiter and am now at the 5 round capacity.

I have some parts on order from GG&G. They have yet to ship, but I will give an update once I have them. I plan on shooting the shotgun 100% stock prior to making changes.


Ammo is hard to source but this is what I have right now:

Olins/Winchester "Military" 00 Buck
Spartan 00 Buck
Sterling slugs

not the best ammo, but Federal Flite Control is not easy to find right now. More updates to come.

https://www.natchezss.com/federal-le-tactical-reduced-recoil-shotshells-12-ga-2-3-4-9-pellets-1145-fps-00-reduced-recoil-5-ct.html

[trajiiic]

https://www.natchezss.com/federal-le-tactical-reduced-recoil-shotshells-12-ga-2-3-4-9-pellets-1145-fps-00-reduced-recoil-5-ct.html

Thanks a lot! I just ordered some. For some reason ammoseek didn't see this the other day.

[DAF69]

https://www.natchezss.com/federal-le-tactical-reduced-recoil-shotshells-12-ga-2-3-4-9-pellets-1145-fps-00-reduced-recoil-5-ct.html

Thanks for the heads up. I was down to about 5 boxes of the federal flite control.

[OlongJohnson]

Am I misremembering that the LE133-00 eight-pellet tended to have better patterns? (Lacking the "extra" flier?)

[TCinVA]

Am I misremembering that the LE133-00 eight-pellet tended to have better patterns? (Lacking the "extra" flier?)

Correct. The 8 pellet tends to pattern better than the 9 pellet loads. In 9 out of 10 shotguns that 9th pellet will go off on its own because of how it is arranged in the shot column. That 10th gun, though might pattern the 9 pellet better than the 8.

Just goes back to the whole shotgun barrels as special snowflakes phenomenon.

[Cory]

The 8 pellet variety seems to be incredibly difficult to find.

On another note, I'm refreshing the Aridus stock adapter page an obscene amount. As soon as they're back in stock I'm grabbing one and a magpul stock.

[RancidSumo]

Correct. The 8 pellet tends to pattern better than the 9 pellet loads. In 9 out of 10 shotguns that 9th pellet will go off on its own because of how it is arranged in the shot column. That 10th gun, though might pattern the 9 pellet better than the 8.

Just goes back to the whole shotgun barrels as special snowflakes phenomenon.

At what distances do you typically start to see that 9th pellet take off? I haven't shot mine much past 10 yards since the odds of me shooting it past that are pretty small and my supply of buckshot has been limited. It seems to do pretty well with the 9 pellet (photos a page or two back), but I'd like to get some 8 pellet to try if it ever comes back in stock anywhere.

[23JAZ]

https://www.natchezss.com/federal-le-tactical-reduced-recoil-shotshells-12-ga-2-3-4-9-pellets-1145-fps-00-reduced-recoil-5-ct.html
Thank you! Awesome find! Hate paying shipping multiple times but needed more than 10 boxes.

[TCinVA]

At what distances do you typically start to see that 9th pellet take off? I haven't shot mine much past 10 yards since the odds of me shooting it past that are pretty small and my supply of buckshot has been limited. It seems to do pretty well with the 9 pellet (photos a page or two back), but I'd like to get some 8 pellet to try if it ever comes back in stock anywhere.

In as little as 5 yards you see the 9th pellet leaving the bulk of the shot column.

With FFC at realistic distances it means you have a concentration of shot on one part of the target, and a lone 9th pellet off that column by a couple of inches. Usually in a predictable fashion...meaning it will almost always hit low and left or something by about the same distance almost every time. So it tends to at least be predictable.

With conventional buckshot it's a total wildcard. You have no idea without shooting a significant amount of your proposed load through your barrel to figure out what it does.

[Phaedrus]

https://www.natchezss.com/federal-le-tactical-reduced-recoil-shotshells-12-ga-2-3-4-9-pellets-1145-fps-00-reduced-recoil-5-ct.html

Thanks, ordered six boxes! I'm not super low but I prefer the Federal FC stuff to what I have stacked the deepest.:cool:

[GJM]

Last night, we were camped in the Sprinter in a remote area, when a truck pulled up nearby and shut off its engine. I had a Rattler and 1301 available, and did hesitate a second in grabbing the 1301 with a SF light and seven Brenneke slugs. After a few minutes they left and I am not sure they knew we were camped there.

[23JAZ]

She ran like a scolded mule today! After the students left we got to mess around a bit and I brought the 1301 with me just in case that happened and she didn’t disappoint. Disregard the handgun rounds, it’s a left over student target. I ran a full mag zipper at 15 yards from the low ready. 7 rounds of FC 9 pellet. I’m still shock at how light yet controlable this shotgun is!
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[trajiiic]

I broke in the 1301T with 100 Shells of covid specials. I made a short video, but I'll be posting patterns a little while later. I have an IC choke coming in, but I don't think it'll make a considerable difference.

takeaways:

Federal FC blows everything I tried away
Federal FC 9 pellet doesn't load 5 in the tube
Turkish Slugs are actually kinda okay
The gun ran everything perfectly
The recoil for this gun really isn't all that bad


https://youtu.be/_ENNSIQTrd8

You will notice my shots are a little high. I shot the slugs last. That's when I dropped the elevation by 3 clicks.

[ssb]

I broke in the 1301T with 100 Shells of covid specials. I made a short video, but I'll be posting patterns a little while later. I have an IC choke coming in, but I don't think it'll make a considerable difference.

takeaways:

Federal FC blows everything I tried away
Federal FC 9 pellet doesn't load 5 in the tube
Turkish Slugs are actually kinda okay
The gun ran everything perfectly
The recoil for this gun really isn't all that bad


https://youtu.be/_ENNSIQTrd8

You will notice my shots are a little high. I shot the slugs last. That's when I dropped the elevation by 3 clicks.

If you remove the magazine spring retaining cap, it will hold 5 with ease. It does mean that the spring will pop out when the forend cap is removed, but it’s not been an issue in probably 500 rounds for me.

[GearFondler]

If you remove the magazine spring retaining cap, it will hold 5 with ease. It does mean that the spring will pop out when the forend cap is removed, but it’s not been an issue in probably 500 rounds for me.... Or you can file down the crimp roll on each shell.

(Yes, guys, that was a joke)

[trajiiic]

I've got some goodies to install.

https://i.ibb.co/v4twNkP/PXL-20210503-201216973.jpg

I am waiting for some more things to come in. I plan on making installation videos for YouTube.

[ssb]

I've got some goodies to install.

https://i.ibb.co/v4twNkP/PXL-20210503-201216973.jpg

I am waiting for some more things to come in. I plan on making installation videos for YouTube.

With the light mount: is there any sort of feature to keep the magazine tube cap from rotating?

[trajiiic]

With the light mount: is there any sort of feature to keep the magazine tube cap from rotating?


I'll need to confirm when I do the install, but there is what looks like a detent on the front face which should allow the magazine tube to ratchet the way it does without it.


Update:

I just put it on. The magazine cap does interface with the detent. I get about 3 tactile clicks before i can no longer hand tighten further.

https://i.ibb.co/ZcbvCXC/PXL-20210503-210111944.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WHv49Vx/PXL-20210503-210057966.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/HnJfnWZ/PXL-20210503-205951709.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/DQh3LTG/PXL-20210503-205936525.jpg

[ssb]

That’s better than what I currently have. I’ll order one. Thanks!

[Clusterfrack]

GGG light mount with sling loop, and red follower ordered. Thanks.

[trajiiic]

GGG light mount with sling loop, and red follower ordered. Thanks.


I would have gotten the left hand light mount w/ sling loop but it wasn't in stock at the time. Good buy!

[Clusterfrack]

I would have gotten the left hand light mount w/ sling loop but it wasn't in stock at the time. Good buy!

I found the right vs. left handed models confusing. I sure hope I got the correct one. I bought the "right handed" one that hopefully mounts the light and sling on the left side of the gun.

[trajiiic]

I found the right vs. left handed models confusing. I sure hope I got the correct one. I bought the "right handed" one that hopefully mounts the light and sling on the left side of the gun.

I also found the left/right confusing. GGG-2565-R seems to be the general product ID.

[Phaedrus]

I found the right vs. left handed models confusing. I sure hope I got the correct one. I bought the "right handed" one that hopefully mounts the light and sling on the left side of the gun.

I got the same parts today, looking forward to getting them installed. The description was a bit confusing but Right Hand Mount will put the rail section on the left hand side (from the pov of a shooter), opposite of the ejection port. You ordered the correct one. The parts are heavy duty and seem well made.

[trajiiic]

I got the same parts today, looking forward to getting them installed. The description was a bit confusing but Right Hand Mount will put the rail section on the left hand side (from the pov of a shooter), opposite of the ejection port. You ordered the correct one. The parts are heavy duty and seem well made.

You're probably right. I'm going to remove my comment to not add to any confusion

[Clusterfrack]

I got the same parts today, looking forward to getting them installed. The description was a bit confusing but Right Hand Mount will put the rail section on the left hand side (from the pov of a shooter), opposite of the ejection port. You ordered the correct one. The parts are heavy duty and seem well made.

Thanks. Before reading your post, I panic-emailed GGG to make sure.

[Phaedrus]

Thanks. Before reading your post, I panic-emailed GGG to make sure.

I did, too, but got no response. Luckily it worked out.:cool:

[trajiiic]

http://www.primaryarms.com/beretta-1301-12ga-tactical-shotgun-3in?utm_source=netsuite&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Product_Title&utm_campaign=NetSuite_Back_In_Stock_Email

Primary Arms has black 1301s in stock.


Edit: NVM, they were there a few hours ago.

[Coyote41]

I got my GGG mount in yesterday. I’ll be using it in a class in a few weeks to see how it holds up.


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[Flyboytim]

Beretta now offers their 1301 Comp Pro style lifter to owners of the Tactical model 1301’s. I recently installed one on my 1301 T, Gen 2. Here’s a link to Beretta’s website offering:

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/

And here’s the YouTube link to the video I made:

https://youtu.be/XAl6iQdG59I

Thanks…

[RancidSumo]

Beretta now offers their 1301 Comp Pro style lifter to owners of the Tactical model 1301’s. I recently installed one on my 1301 T, Gen 2. Here’s a link to Beretta’s website offering:

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/

And here’s the YouTube link to the video I made:

https://youtu.be/XAl6iQdG59I

Thanks…

Interesting. Is there any downside to this from a reliability standpoint or anything like that?

[Flyboytim]

Interesting. Is there any downside to this from a reliability standpoint or anything like that?

I wish I knew for certain. More testing at the range will be necessary at a minimum. I’ll be also doing a lot of port loading practice and speed drills, also drills to the first shot from cruiser ready. I’ll definitely be looking for any reliability issues. Hopefully Beretta did their homework on it too, and offer it after verifying its functional reliability.

[Balisong]

This is very interesting to me as I'm not a big fan of how pinchy it can be to load in the stock form. Looking forward to reviews.


ETA: I assume this eliminates the ability to ghost load huh?

[OlongJohnson]

The standard lifter received very little dressing of the tip. It's pretty easy to smooth the edges around the end and blend everything so it doesn't bite. Only takes a few minutes and costs nothing. Well worth it.

[LHS]

I've got some goodies to install.

https://i.ibb.co/v4twNkP/PXL-20210503-201216973.jpg

I am waiting for some more things to come in. I plan on making installation videos for YouTube.

I picked up the rear sling mount as well, as that's where I prefer affixing the rear of a sling on my shotguns and until now there wasn't a good option for it on the 1301. I really dig it thus far.

I'm very leery of front mounts that get in between the mag tube and the extension/cap, as they reduce the thread engagement available to the extension/cap. As such, I'm sticking with the Nordic extension/sling mount/pic rail/clamp system on mine for now.

[trajiiic]

Beretta now offers their 1301 Comp Pro style lifter to owners of the Tactical model 1301’s. I recently installed one on my 1301 T, Gen 2. Here’s a link to Beretta’s website offering:

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/

And here’s the YouTube link to the video I made:

https://youtu.be/XAl6iQdG59I

Thanks…

I've got this lifter in a box waiting to be installed. I hadn't read anywhere that it would work other than Beretta's website. I gather that you simply disassemble the trigger assembly, swap the lifter, and reassemble?

Also, you answered my question about dumping the mag tube with the new lifter. It might sound weird but I wish you could just pull up to dump the whole tube instead of unloading shells one by one.

[trajiiic]

I picked up the rear sling mount as well, as that's where I prefer affixing the rear of a sling on my shotguns and until now there wasn't a good option for it on the 1301. I really dig it thus far.

I'm very leery of front mounts that get in between the mag tube and the extension/cap, as they reduce the thread engagement available to the extension/cap. As such, I'm sticking with the Nordic extension/sling mount/pic rail/clamp system on mine for now.

I understand where you're coming from. With the detent I'm not worried about it coming loose. The cap doesn't seem to be a high load bearing part, like a lug nut, so a few less threads doesn't concern me.

[Flyboytim]

I've got this lifter in a box waiting to be installed. I hadn't read anywhere that it would work other than Beretta's website. I gather that you simply disassemble the trigger assembly, swap the lifter, and reassemble?

Also, you answered my question about dumping the mag tube with the new lifter. It might sound weird but I wish you could just pull up to dump the whole tube instead of unloading shells one by one.

Here’s a good installation video. Use the gallon bag to pull that spring assembly out. I also used masking tape to hold three pieces from moving around on me during re-installation. You’ll figure out which ones.

https://youtu.be/Kr5-9TeLRsY

Also, some folks have modified this lifter to open more to dump shells out, all at once, at least that’s what I assume it was for.

[trajiiic]

I decided to test fit some optics today. I don't see many pictures of people not using a hi-speed CROM. So, I thought I'd share.

Sig Romeo 5 - I will be using this. The sights do not co-witness at all, if you were wondering. (Note: I believe this is unique to the Romeo 5. When using one on an AR, I used a DD 1/3rd co-witness Aimpoint mount. The Romeo 5 ended up with an absolute co-witness. May 1/3 co-witness with a T1 Micro)
https://i.ibb.co/10ZtKWg/PXL-20210504-230918709.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/WByq78X/PXL-20210504-230631773.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/TPRDnMB/PXL-20210504-230709572.jpg


Burris Fastfire 3 - I had one laying around and it's a decent stand in for a better MRDS. Sights also do not co-witness.
https://i.ibb.co/nQfb7Q5/PXL-20210504-233335371.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/QMpqgfX/PXL-20210504-233310115.jpg


Primary Arms 1-6x ACSS Gen 2 - I also had this laying around in an AR mount. I thought it would be entertaining to slap it on. I would not recommend this heavy optic on a shotgun, but if you're going to do it, get a normal mount, and not the style I have which pushes it forward. This made the eye relief terrible.

The one I have does seem to clear the factory rear sight.
https://i.ibb.co/Tk1bqMP/PXL-20210504-231732909.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/QbYs7pg/PXL-20210504-231845696.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/ctHZZGM/PXL-20210504-231851301.jpg


I sighted in the Romeo 5 at about 15 yards in the house with this bad boy.
https://i.ibb.co/nQz1psW/PXL-20210504-230329932.jpg


If funds were unlimited, I would put a TA44 mini ACOG on here. The Romeo will do just fine for home defense and range needs.

[trajiiic]

Here’s a good installation video. Use the gallon bag to pull that spring assembly out. I also used masking tape to hold three pieces from moving around on me during re-installation. You’ll figure out which ones.

https://youtu.be/Kr5-9TeLRsY

Also, some folks have modified this lifter to open more to dump shells out, all at once, at least that’s what I assume it was for.

Thanks, I watched that video but I did find a better one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdfOnUg40-4

^^^ this guy has you disassemble in a different order to not have to worry about the spring shooting across the room.

[Flyboytim]

Thanks, I watched that video but I did find a better one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdfOnUg40-4

^^^ this guy has you disassemble in a different order to not have to worry about the spring shooting across the room.

Yes, that’s a great video that goes into everything. I’ll review it for his spring technique. Let me know how it goes.

[Flyboytim]

The block on the rear of the lifter that keeps it in an elevated position also seems to somewhat protect the shell release button from inadvertent depressing. I’m always concerned about that when loading shells as compared to a pump for example, that has no shell release button on the lifter at all. But loading with that block exposed helps me guide the rounds into the mag without accidentally releasing one onto the lifter.71048

[Not HighSpeed]

Europtic has 1301 shotguns in stock.

Great, now I have no reason not to get one...ordered!

Back and forth between DA/SA and Striker pistols...Check.

Revolver interest...check.

Revolver(s) purchase...pending.

RDS mounted pistols...Check.

1301 shotgun...Check.


And that's just the firearms portion, not discussing the plethora of options in GD(meat smoking, generators, tools, etc)...


This place should be renamed Enabler-Forum.com

[Cory]

Great, now I have no reason not to get one...ordered!

Back and forth between DA/SA and Striker pistols...Check.

Revolver interest...check.

Revolver(s) purchase...pending.

RDS mounted pistols...Check.

1301 shotgun...Check.


And that's just the firearms portion, not discussing the plethora of options in GD(meat smoking, generators, tools, etc)...


This place should be renamed Enabler-Forum.com

DA/SA defensive guns... check.
Revolver interest... check.
Revolver purchase... SoonTM.
RDS handgun... nope.
1301... check.

This place is enabler forum...

[OlongJohnson]

This is the thread by which Google led me to P-F, way, way back.

[GearFondler]

This is the thread by which Google led me to P-F, way, way back.Similar here, except I found it referenced in a P&S forum post.

[diananike]

I drank both the RDS Glock 19 and 1301 PF koolaid this winter and it was revelatory.

[Not HighSpeed]

Anyone ever hear or have any experience with AITarms? They have the Nordic extension set in stock, if anyone needs one(like me), and if they are good to go https://aitarms.com/product/nordic-components-beretta-1301/.

Botach has it as well for a pretty decent price as well(and they list almost 40 in stock), but everyone seems to either hate or like them. I've never dealt with them, but I'm reasonably hesitant to.

[Balisong]

Apologies, but this thread is huge and my search attempts bring too many answers.... but what was the consensus on the good followers to put in the 1301 to fix the strange malfunction they were able to have with the stock follower?

[Phaedrus]

Botach has it as well for a pretty decent price as well(and they list almost 40 in stock), but everyone seems to either hate or like them. I've never dealt with them, but I'm reasonably hesitant to.

I've found them to be a mixed bag, a kind of a Wish.com for gun & tactical stuff. My first order from them was a Surefire 300 Ultra with a suspiciously low price. I ordered but got an email that it was backordered. 14 months later I emailed to cancel it only to get a shipping notice two days later. Another time I placed an order and the few small items arrived quickly but just rattling around in a 3 cubic foot box, no padding or packaging material. The last time I ordered from them UPS lost the package. Botach issued me a refund but it was a silent movie; no communication at any stage.

My feeling is that they try to do a good job and are honest but lack any real organization or communication expertise. Maybe their main focus is selling to gov. and police. The main problem I've had with them id that the stated number of items in stock seems to generated at random. You never know if it's actually available till you try to buy.:p

[OlongJohnson]

The main problem I've had with them id that the stated number of items in stock seems to generated at random. You never know if it's actually available till you try to buy.:p

I only buy from them if that number is large.

[Not HighSpeed]

I've found them to be a mixed bag, a kind of a Wish.com for gun & tactical stuff. My first order from them was a Surefire 300 Ultra with a suspiciously low price. I ordered but got an email that it was backordered. 14 months later I emailed to cancel it only to get a shipping notice two days later. Another time I placed an order and the few small items arrived quickly but just rattling around in a 3 cubic foot box, no padding or packaging material. The last time I ordered from them UPS lost the package. Botach issued me a refund but it was a silent movie; no communication at any stage.

My feeling is that they try to do a good job and are honest but lack any real organization or communication expertise. Maybe their main focus is selling to gov. and police. The main problem I've had with them id that the stated number of items in stock seems to generated at random. You never know if it's actually available till you try to buy.:p

Thanks for your input.

I went ahead and chanced ordering one from the AIT arms link and within an hour of placing my order, I got the shipping info and tracking number, as well as a separate email from the store owner thanking me for my purchase. Seemed good to go and I'll know for sure when it shows up. I may have it sooner than my 1301:p.

Oh, he also has the Magpul stocks in as well if anyone else is looking, but I'll have to wait until next month to buy that.



So it seems most people go without the bracket attached to the extension and the barrel? Just loc-tite and go for those that run one without the bracket? Any other concerns besides the barrel finish to go without?

[GearFondler]

Apologies, but this thread is huge and my search attempts bring too many answers.... but what was the consensus on the good followers to put in the 1301 to fix the strange malfunction they were able to have with the stock follower?The stock follower is not a problem... It works as intended. It is the flat top Nordic follower that gets installed for 922R reasons that causes the issue.
The full discussion starts with post #3050.

[Phaedrus]

I don't know how well it works but GG&G just released a US-made follower for the 1301.

[Cory]

Thanks to an awesome member here, I've now got an Aridus stock adapter. He bought one, but then bought the LTT instead and sold me the adapter at his cost. Pretty cool.

Hopefully I'll have a magpul stock in hand soon.

[Coyote41]

Heads up to those who bought the GG&G light mount. The screws holding the rail on do not have threadlocker.


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[rob_s]

If one were looking to play catch-up and buy a new 1301 today:
1) is there a specific sku to look for to get new hotness and avoid any old busted?
2) what would be the going street price for said model?
3) worth chasing the LTT version? Any downside to doing so?

This a viable option? Other than potential objection to the color, any downside?
https://grabagun.com/beretta-107.html

[GJM]

If one were looking to play catch-up and buy a new 1301 today:
1) is there a specific sku to look for to get new hotness and avoid any old busted?
2) what would be the going street price for said model?
3) worth chasing the LTT version? Any downside to doing so?

This a viable option? Other than potential objection to the color, any downside?
https://grabagun.com/beretta-107.html

While black may or may not be the latest model, my understanding is that FDE, green and the marine coat models are the latest. $1,165 is low available pricing lately, up to ridiculous premiums. The LTT has nice features, but the basic new 1301 is perfectly usable with a Nordic extension.

[GearFondler]

If one were looking to play catch-up and buy a new 1301 today:
1) is there a specific sku to look for to get new hotness and avoid any old busted?
2) what would be the going street price for said model?
3) worth chasing the LTT version? Any downside to doing so?

This a viable option? Other than potential objection to the color, any downside?
https://grabagun.com/beretta-107.htmlIf you want all the bells and whistles the LTT version is the easy button... You will spend the same or more buying all the extras plus deal with the frustration of trying to track down all the parts separately (most of the parts are routinely out of stock).

[Not HighSpeed]

If one were looking to play catch-up and buy a new 1301 today:
1) is there a specific sku to look for to get new hotness and avoid any old busted?
2) what would be the going street price for said model?
3) worth chasing the LTT version? Any downside to doing so?

This a viable option? Other than potential objection to the color, any downside?
https://grabagun.com/beretta-107.html

Eurooptic has four different colored models and all are listed as gen 2 versions. https://www.eurooptic.com/search.aspx?keyword=beretta+1301+tactica

Funny, how the black is the more expensive(also the mariner), usually it is the cheapest and the other colors are the more expensive options.

[Phaedrus]

I bought mine @ Prepper Gun Shop (https://www.preppergunshop.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=Beretta%201301%20Tactical%20) and all are Gen 2. I've made numerous purchases there and have always been satisfied.

[trajiiic]

Heads up to those who bought the GG&G light mount. The screws holding the rail on do not have threadlocker.


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I was looking at those screws and was like, "Certainly those are thread locked". Welp, I guess I need to do that and repaint my index marks.

[delphidoc]

Funny, how the black is the more expensive(also the mariner), usually it is the cheapest and the other colors are the more expensive options.

My guess is fewer people want FDE or OD green and they're having relative "touble" unloading them. Kinda like how they adjust odds in Vegas to even out the bets.

[rob_s]

My guess is fewer people want FDE or OD green and they're having relative "touble" unloading them. Kinda like how they adjust odds in Vegas to even out the bets.

That’s my thinking as well. I think I’ve even seen the green as a lesser expensive option than the others.

I wonder if the marine finish really accomplishes what it is supposed to vs the other colors. My intended purpose here is something to keep in a locked safe in the bedroom, and likely never really touch the thing. Wife shoots a Beretta for sporting clays so the familiar manual of arms should be better than my current 870 which I know has been confusing for her.

I’m guessing that the tan or green, or probably even the black, will do just fine with rust even in humid S FL. If the marine coat does anything at all my guess is that it only really matters if the gun is getting handled a lot, not if it’s just sitting there making me feel good.

[BigT]

Beretta now offers their 1301 Comp Pro style lifter to owners of the Tactical model 1301’s. I recently installed one on my 1301 T, Gen 2. Here’s a link to Beretta’s website offering:

https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/3-lifter-1301-tac-pro-sty-1301/c7c940/

And here’s the YouTube link to the video I made:

https://youtu.be/XAl6iQdG59I

Thanks…


These things are cash money.

mines got a few k rounds through it of buck bird and slug with no issues.

[Navin Johnson]

Here’s a good installation video. Use the gallon bag to pull that spring assembly out. I also used masking tape to hold three pieces from moving around on me during re-installation. You’ll figure out which ones.

https://youtu.be/Kr5-9TeLRsY

Also, some folks have modified this lifter to open more to dump shells out, all at once, at least that’s what I assume it was for.

Can the gun be ghost loaded with this lifter?

[trajiiic]

While making some content for YouTube, I had rested the barrel against the edge of the desk while messing with the magazine tube. Turns out that's enough to scratch the "Aqua-Tech" finish on the 1301. I'm not an expert, but this looks to be some type of cerakote.

There's absolutely no info about this coating and until now I wasn't sure what it was.

The scratch bothers me a bit, but I'm dealing with it.

https://i.ibb.co/pWZVtBC/PXL-20210509-203914459.jpg



Here's the new GG&G follower to make up for it.
https://i.ibb.co/bJFNjCc/PXL-20210509-202802643.jpg

[Flyboytim]

Can the gun be ghost loaded with this lifter?

You’re the second person to ask me this. I’ll check soon.

[Not HighSpeed]

AIT arms is good to go! Placed my order Fri for the Nordic extension and it was in my mailbox today. From KC, MO to central TX. Brand new sealed kit with a card and hand written “Thank you” on the order form.

I am not affiliated with them in any way, just a happy customer who took a chance on a google search.


Unfortunately, I’m still a day or out before I can pick up my 1301 as it’s still enroute to my FFL.

[GearFondler]

You’re the second person to ask me this. I’ll check soon.I am also extremely interested to know. Thanks!

[Clusterfrack]

GGG left side light / sling mount installed. I like it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210512/1c724fc2be789d693807121c130ead41.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

Reinstall barrel clamp: yes or no?

The Nordic extension seems pretty robust. It seems like it could survive an impact if dropped or struck on a hard surface?

I like not having to use an allen key to disassemble the gun.

[Cory]

Reinstall barrel clamp: yes or no?

The Nordic extension seems pretty robust. It seems like it could survive an impact if dropped or struck on a hard surface?

I like not having to use an allen key to disassemble the gun.

I haven't shot mine with the nordic yet, but I don't intend to ever install the clamp.

Mostly because everyone who uses it seems to have a marred finish, but also because it's an extra step for disassembly.

[Clusterfrack]

I haven't shot mine with the nordic yet, but I don't intend to ever install the clamp.

Mostly because everyone who uses it seems to have a marred finish, but also because it's an extra step for disassembly.

I don’t really care about the finish. But yeah, it is annoying. Thinking about durability: 3-gunners dump their shotguns pretty hard, and their extensions mostly survive—right?

[Cory]

I don’t really care about the finish. But yeah, it is annoying. Thinking about durability: 3-gunners dump their shotguns pretty hard, and their extensions mostly survive—right?

Aridus cover photo on facebook shows this:

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Who ever owns those shotguns doesn't seem to think it's an issue.

[Navin Johnson]

GGG left side light / sling mount installed. I like it.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210512/1c724fc2be789d693807121c130ead41.jpg


What model dot and how has it held up?

[Clusterfrack]

What model dot and how has it held up?

Holosun 503 GU Elite. Green circle/dot reticle. It’s been excellent. Zero issues, other than having to make a small dremel cutout at the front to install it in the CROM.

[GearFondler]

Aridus cover photo on facebook shows this:

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Who ever owns those shotguns doesn't seem to think it's an issue.You can also see where a few of them said "fuck this" and removed the clamp.

[Balisong]

I've wondered if its necessary to keep mine on. I will for the time being, but will happily read any discussion on pros/cons of it.

[Cory]

Anyone know how Primary Arms MicroDots mounted on a CROM stand up? TCinVA

I'm thinking of a defensive weapon. But right now I already have a PA dot and there will likely be a significant gap between purchasing a CROM and ability to afford an aimpoint.

[nalesq]

Anyone know how Primary Arms MicroDots mounted on a CROM stand up? TCinVA

I'm thinking of a defensive weapon. But right now I already have a PA dot and there will likely be a significant gap between purchasing a CROM and ability to afford an aimpoint.

My goal with a red dot on a shotgun is to have a sighting system that is superior to irons at shotgun distances, which to me is 25 yards and closer.

With that in mind, I have 3 PA advanced micro dots (the one with the rotating rheostat, rather than the push buttons, if that matters) mounted on CROMs on as many shotguns, and 2 of these 3 have been used fairly energetically over the last 3 years or so.

They all still work and hold zero at 25yds. So, they are still vastly superior to irons in every way. What more could one ask for?


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[Not HighSpeed]

When installing your own Nordic extension on, and have cut the Nordic spring it to the 12-16" length(past the magazine tube). It says to cut off in 1" increments until you are able to load the number of shells your extension is for.

When it comes to spring compression and the cycling system: If all 7 rounds load into the tube without issue, and you didn't cut it shorter than the 16", is there an issue? For those who have added theirs, how many coils did you cut it too?

[Clusterfrack]

I cut mine to a total length of 35.5 to 36"

[TCinVA]

Anyone know how Primary Arms MicroDots mounted on a CROM stand up? @TCinVA (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=4)

I'm thinking of a defensive weapon. But right now I already have a PA dot and there will likely be a significant gap between purchasing a CROM and ability to afford an aimpoint.

I bought one just shy of four years ago expecting it to die an ugly death on my 1301 in short order.

It's still working.

So far I've seen more actual Aimpoints die on top of shotguns (generally due to a manufacturing defect) than PA's micro dot optics.

I'm sure the PA optics have a higher failure rate overall, but I'm just not seeing them die in class.

I'm reasonably certain those optics are made by Holosun and Holosun has a good reputation for building optics that hold up. If you do get a duff one it seems like PA will happily replace it for you.

[TCinVA]

I don’t really care about the finish. But yeah, it is annoying. Thinking about durability: 3-gunners dump their shotguns pretty hard, and their extensions mostly survive—right?

I ditched the clamp on my gun because I didn't want the complication when it came time to disassemble. My gun gets used by students in almost every class and at least once a class someone will load a shell backwards and I'll have to take the thing apart to get that resolved. I can't afford to be fooling with the barrel clamp in such circumstances.

I'm sure somebody out there somewhere has found the magic combination of torque and rubber padding to prevent the clamp from shifting around under recoil, but I certainly haven't. I don't particularly care if the finish on mine gets marred, but given that the clamp wasn't being used to mount a light for me it ended up serving no purpose apart from complicating disassembly.

I don't have any durability concerns with the Nordic +2 extension on my gun because it is even with the barrel. It's significantly stronger than the magazine tube. I don't go spiking it into barrels at speed like the 3 gunners do, but they're also typically using a mag tube extension longer than the barrel of the gun with longer barrels overall and that mag tube extension turns into a great big lever torquing on the pretty thin metal of the magazine tube.

I don't really see that happening with my 1301 used as I use it. YMMV.

[TCinVA]

Aridus cover photo on facebook shows this:

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Who ever owns those shotguns doesn't seem to think it's an issue.

That photo comes from a Rob Haught class in September of 2019, I believe. The unadorned one in the middle is my backup gun which at the time had only a prototype of the Tau bolt shroud on it. It has since been upgraded with an SGA stock adapter and CROM.

You can see the wear areas caused by the clamp on a couple of the guns at the end of the barrel.

The clamp makes sense if you want to mount a light as far forward as possible. Apart from that I don't see a need for it on a defensive gauge.

[TCinVA]

When installing your own Nordic extension on, and have cut the Nordic spring it to the 12-16" length(past the magazine tube). It says to cut off in 1" increments until you are able to load the number of shells your extension is for.

When it comes to spring compression and the cycling system: If all 7 rounds load into the tube without issue, and you didn't cut it shorter than the 16", is there an issue? For those who have added theirs, how many coils did you cut it too?

The factory mag spring is sufficiently robust that it will also work with a +2 mag extension.

On mine, I just used trial and error to get just enough coils cut that I could still move the shells a little bit with the full capacity in the tube.

[GearFondler]

The factory mag spring is sufficiently robust that it will also work with a +2 mag extension.

On mine, I just used trial and error to get just enough coils cut that I could still move the shells a little bit with the full capacity in the tube.Yep, you definitely want a little bit of play there to account for oddly oversized shells.

[GyroF-16]

I don't have any durability concerns with the Nordic +2 extension on my gun because it is even with the barrel. It's significantly stronger than the magazine tube. I don't go spiking it into barrels at speed like the 3 gunners do, but they're also typically using a mag tube extension longer than the barrel of the gun with longer barrels overall and that mag tube extension turns into a great big lever torquing on the pretty thin metal of the magazine tube.

I don't really see that happening with my 1301 used as I use it. YMMV.

So... I bought a “generic” Nordic +2 extension and then a separate mag nut. It was available at the time (several years ago), and MUCH less expensive than the $100-ish 1300T-specific kit with the barrel clamp and pic rail section. And available. But, it extends beyond the muzzle by about 0.75”. It doesn’t look as cool and tactical as the same-length kit from Nordic, but I distinctly remember GJM mentioning that the slightly longer mag extension served to protect the muzzle in daily, somewhat rough, Alaskan-type use.

So - is a longer mag extension an advantage, or a vulnerability (assuming I’m not throwing it muzzle-down into barrels)?
I like the idea of a barrel-length mag tube, but not $100+ worth. Especially after I already have a +2 capability.

[GJM]

So... I bought a “generic” Nordic +2 extension and then a separate mag nut. It was available at the time (several years ago), and MUCH less expensive than the $100-ish 1300T-specific kit with the barrel clamp and pic rail section. And available. But, it extends beyond the muzzle by about 0.75”. It doesn’t look as cool and tactical as the same-length kit from Nordic, but I distinctly remember GJM mentioning that the slightly longer mag extension served to protect the muzzle in daily, somewhat rough, Alaskan-type use.

So - is a longer mag extension an advantage, or a vulnerability (assuming I’m not throwing it muzzle-down into barrels)?
I like the idea of a barrel-length mag tube, but not $100+ worth. Especially after I already have a +2 capability.

This is my standard 14 inch barrel set-up. I like that the extension will contact the ground before the barrel, helping to keep debris out of the barrel.

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[GyroF-16]

This is my standard 14 inch barrel set-up. I like that the extension will contact the ground before the barrel, helping to keep debris out of the barrel.

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Thanks, GJM. I gather that you haven’t had any negative consequences with the extended mag tube.
I like the idea that I can rest the muzzle end on the floor when putting a protective “sock” on the optic before storing the gauge. And that an inadvertent doorframe bump won’t change the POI for the Fed FC#1 that I’ve been hoarding.
I’d like to think that as long as I’m not 3-gunning or planning muzzle-strikes while clearing houses in Fallujah, I’m not at risk for catastrophic failure. But wanted to see if anyone has experience to the contrary.

[GearFondler]

Thanks, GJM. I gather that you haven’t had any negative consequences with the extended mag tube.
I like the idea that I can rest the muzzle end on the floor when putting a protective “sock” on the optic before storing the gauge. And that an inadvertent doorframe bump won’t change the POI for the Fed FC#1 that I’ve been hoarding.
I’d like to think that as long as I’m not 3-gunning or planning muzzle-strikes while clearing houses in Fallujah, I’m not at risk for catastrophic failure. But wanted to see if anyone has experience to the contrary.None of it matters if you're tactical-as-fuck enough to run a bayonet... Just sayin.

[TCinVA]

So... I bought a “generic” Nordic +2 extension and then a separate mag nut. It was available at the time (several years ago), and MUCH less expensive than the $100-ish 1300T-specific kit with the barrel clamp and pic rail section. And available. But, it extends beyond the muzzle by about 0.75”. It doesn’t look as cool and tactical as the same-length kit from Nordic, but I distinctly remember @GJM (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=410) mentioning that the slightly longer mag extension served to protect the muzzle in daily, somewhat rough, Alaskan-type use.

So - is a longer mag extension an advantage, or a vulnerability (assuming I’m not throwing it muzzle-down into barrels)?
I like the idea of a barrel-length mag tube, but not $100+ worth. Especially after I already have a +2 capability.

A magazine tube that extends considerably farther than the barrel can be:

http://candi323.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Class-Dan-Shotgun-1024x629.jpg
...but one that's not as absurd isn't going to become a big lever working against the magazine tube.
http://candi323.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Class-Dan-Shotgun-1024x629.jpg

[vaglocker]

Took my 870 to the range today for the first time in a long while . After shooting the 1301 exclusively for the last year, today I learned that I just can't go back to a pump. The pumps will stay in the safe.

[Phaedrus]

I'm leery of working on getting a mag extension til/if the other 922r parts are available again. Seems like I've had notifications on at Aridus since before Xmas.

[Flyboytim]

Can the gun be ghost loaded with this lifter?

Seems like someone else beat me to the ghost load video. Yes, you can. Would have to test your ammo for certainty. The only caveat and why I have no interest in ghost loading, is the need to have a round in the chamber:

https://youtu.be/8FWaJbxGI1g

[Balisong]

Took my 870 to the range today for the first time in a long while . After shooting the 1301 exclusively for the last year, today I learned that I just can't go back to a pump. The pumps will stay in the safe.

I'm right there with you. I just see absolutely no advantage to a pump compared to a BerettaNelli semiautomatic. Especially considering the current reputations of Remington and Mossberg quality control. Plus gaining the advantage of easier to shoot one handed if need be, which seems like a positive to me taking into account the supposed frequency of arm/hand injuries in gun fights.


Seems like someone else beat me to the ghost load video. Yes, you can. Would have to test your ammo for certainty. The only caveat and why I have no interest in ghost loading, is the need to have a round in the chamber:

https://youtu.be/8FWaJbxGI1g

Thank you for getting back to us on this, I appreciate it. Unfortunately that's a deal breaker for me as I want my HD gun with empty chamber, loaded magazine, and shell ghost loaded.

[Balisong]

I just watched the ghost loading video, and I did not see any indication why you would NEED to have one in the chamber? Can't you just skip that step?

[Flyboytim]

I just watched the ghost loading video, and I did not see any indication why you would NEED to have one in the chamber? Can't you just skip that step?

Yes Balisong, I beg your pardon. You certainly can skip that step and just load one on top of the lifter, and rack the bolt to chamber it when needed. That would give you 8 in the gun with the 2 round extension. 🤓👍

[GearFondler]

I just watched the ghost loading video, and I did not see any indication why you would NEED to have one in the chamber? Can't you just skip that step?
Yes Balisong, I beg your pardon. You certainly can skip that step and just load one on top of the lifter, and rack the bolt to chamber it when needed. That would give you 8 in the gun with the 2 round extension. [emoji851][emoji106]I don't have that fancy new lifter, but yeah, that's how I keep mine loaded... 7 in the tube, one on the lifter, and the chamber empty. Rack it to start the party.

[rob_s]

I'm right there with you. I just see absolutely no advantage to a pump compared to a BerettaNelli semiautomatic. Especially considering the current reputations of Remington and Mossberg quality control. Plus gaining the advantage of easier to shoot one handed if need be, which seems like a positive to me taking into account the supposed frequency of arm/hand injuries in gun fights.

As someone who Currently *has* a pump but *wants* a 1301, I can perhaps shed some light, if the question is legit...

The main issue is cost. And there are several facets to that larger issue.

Right up front, a new 1301 is $1,200 while a new 870 is what, $500?
I already have the pump, set up the way I want it, so it’s effectively free”
If you don’t want “new”, and I didn’t, I paid something like $300 for my police turn in and got, imo, a better gun for less money
If you’re not going to shoot it much (and I, like I bet a lot of shotgun buyers, have no interest in shooting it much) then the sunk cost spread becomes even worse ($300 sitting in the safe or $1,200?)
For many people, self included, the thing is a woobie at best to begin with, and if my $300 woobie keeps me warm and makes me feel secure, then...



It I did say I want a 1301, right? So why? What *would* make the cost worthwhile after all of that

It’s neato
It’s seems to be becoming the Glock 19 and Colt 6920 of the shotgun world, so I want one
My wife shoots a 390 in sporting clays and would have an easier time figuring out the 1301 than she has with the 870
Did I mention it’s neato? And comes in tan (I really want OD but if this is “for the wife” that’s never going to fly, in fact I’ll likely wind up with black :( )


But given what I consider to be the “realities” of defensive shotgun ownership, I wouldn’t feel one bit bad sticking with my used police 870.

[ssb]

As someone who Currently *has* a pump but *wants* a 1301, I can perhaps shed some light, if the question is legit...

The main issue is cost. And there are several facets to that larger issue.

Right up front, a new 1301 is $1,200 while a new 870 is what, $500?
I already have the pump, set up the way I want it, so it’s effectively free”
If you don’t want “new”, and I didn’t, I paid something like $300 for my police turn in and got, imo, a better gun for less money
If you’re not going to shoot it much (and I, like I bet a lot of shotgun buyers, have no interest in shooting it much) then the sunk cost spread becomes even worse ($300 sitting in the safe or $1,200?)
For many people, self included, the thing is a woobie at best to begin with, and if my $300 woobie keeps me warm and makes me feel secure, then...



It I did say I want a 1301, right? So why? What *would* make the cost worthwhile after all of that

It’s neato
It’s seems to be becoming the Glock 19 and Colt 6920 of the shotgun world, so I want one
My wife shoots a 390 in sporting clays and would have an easier time figuring out the 1301 than she has with the 870
Did I mention it’s neato? And comes in tan (I really want OD but if this is “for the wife” that’s never going to fly, in fact I’ll likely wind up with black :( )


But given what I consider to be the “realities” of defensive shotgun ownership, I wouldn’t feel one bit bad sticking with my used police 870.

My 1301 is arguably the most “fun” gun I have to shoot, if that matters. It handles like an M1 carbine but launches buckshot, and the recoil isn’t objectionable at all. There’s something to be said for a fast handling gun that makes big, satisfying holes in things.

I think the true benefit of the 1301 is that - if one wants a shotgun for home defense - it really simplifies the shooting process. If you’ve shot one semi-auto, you’ve pretty much shot them all as far as mechanics go. Conversely, a pump action has a lot of user manipulation going on. As somebody who didn’t grow up with a shotgun in their hands (but has been to shotgun classes), it’s certainly possible to screw those manipulations up.

I went with a 1301 after a bad experience with Benelli (ammo sensitive, though looking back also probably technique sensitive) and being unimpressed with my other options in the semi auto field. My 1301 has never failed to cycle the crappiest birdshot I can run through it, and it eats my preferred low recoil buckshot as well. My old Benelli did neither.

[TCinVA]

For serious defensive work pumps have reigned supreme because of how finicky semi-autos are.

The 1301 is the first defensively oriented semi-auto that isn't picky about ammo (The M4 is pretty good, but still pickier), seems to roll out of the factory working from the word "go", and doesn't have reliability that hangs on maintaining hard to get parts. (Mossberg and Remington are both bad about that...buddy of mine has a dead 1100P right now because of it) It just gobbles shells and asks for more.

Most other semi-auto shotguns have required dedication to keep them running if you had anything approaching a regular practice regimen. Pumps didn't. Pump guns would eventually break if you used them hard, but few used them hard enough to make that happen.

So now that we finally have the softer shooting, extremely reliable, extremely durable semi-auto shotgun that is set up beautifully for defensive purpose, why bother with a pump?

For most people a pump will still be less expensive in the initial buy, although with modifications the price gap narrows. In some places semi-auto shotguns are more heavily regulated because semi-auto.

For most people the operation of practically all pump shotguns is sufficiently similar that if you understand how to set one up for a ready condition you understand how to do it with all of them. Semi-autos all have their own little way of doing things that can be massively confusing. I make it as simple as possible but I can still see eyes glazing over when we start getting into magazine cutoff vs. no magazine cutoff, shell release locations, etc.

For me, I do most of my practice and demonstration with the pump gun because the 1301 is too easy. I have more credibility as an instructor if I can stand in front of a group of people and perform with equipment that is fairly basic. My main teaching gun is an 870 express with iron sights because it's very well suited for purpose and everybody can see that there's no magic in the gun itself.

For you? I can't tell you what's best for you. All I can do is help you understand the options, identify your requirements, and then you can use that better understanding to make the right choice for you.

If someone wanted to use the shotgun for sport and defense they would be extremely well served by having a 1301 Competition model for sporting use and a 1301T for dedicated defensive use and that combo would handle literally everything they could hope to do with a scattergun short of shooting sabot slugs at 200 yards. And even then it might do ok at that.

If someone was coming to shotguns brand new with no prior ownership or baggage and had the money, I'd happily set them up that way.

Most aren't coming that way, though. They've bought something or inherited something or had something they bought for squirrels and they're looking to press it into service as a defensive option given the general temperament of society these days. That's usually a pump gun because that's what everybody used to have, that's what gun stores push, that's what untold scores of internet experts have encouraged, and that's actually what some legitimate experts recommend for defense.

Beyond that, it's what some people know. My father is a good example. He spent a lot of years hunting with an 870. The man has literally never fired an AR-15, not even the one I bought him. If he needed a long gun for defense tomorrow I'd hand him my main teaching 870 because it's something he can use easily. I'm seeing that show up in class more in the last 18 months, someone who has a long history with a particular pump gun for sporting use and they're now looking at defensive application. I love those folks because they're easy to teach. They understand the operation of the gun and all I have to do is enhance a few things here or there and they're rock stars.

[GJM]

Running an 870 well requires you to be really good at manipulating the action with your support hand, where running the 1301 well requires you to be good at pressing the trigger.

[rob_s]

Running an 870 well requires you to be really good at manipulating the action with your support hand, where running the 1301 well requires you to be good at pressing the trigger.

I would disagree with that, to some extent.

Working with my wife, who previously had almost no exposure to firearms at all and spending the last year or two infrequently shooting sporting clays, she stays familiar enough with the semi auto to be dangerous... but mostly to herself and others. :eek:

She's intimidated by the pump, but the truth is that she knows that if she really needed it all she has to do is pick it up, cycle the action, shoot, cycle the action... and as long as she's not short-stroking it she'll get along fine.

With the semi, yes once it's running all she has to do is "press the trigger" but she's also got to get it prepared to press the trigger. Which means either I'm storing it chamber loaded (which I'm not doing) and she has to just disengage a safety she never otherwise uses, or she has to manipulate the bolt which she's also not terribly proficient at, in spite of shooting clays, and which can be awkward even for marginally experienced people (like myself) and isn't made any easier by the weight and balance of a shotgun (especially one with an extended tube and added shells attached).

[rob_s]

I'm seeing that show up in class more in the last 18 months, someone who has a long history with a particular pump gun for sporting use and they're now looking at defensive application. I love those folks because they're easy to teach. They understand the operation of the gun and all I have to do is enhance a few things here or there and they're rock stars.

Funnily enough, my wife's relative familiarity with her sporting clays gun is what's leading me down this path, so it's similar to what you describe but with a different outcome.

the thing is, those weird little idiosyncrasies you described earlier (why won't the bolt cycle, or the shell drop, or the lifter move, or this other weird thing, o right I gotta press in this little nubbin that doesn't even look like a goddamn button... oh, wait, that did something but not what I wanted it to...) can be intimidating with the semi even for someone that's passably used to using one. My wife can happily load one in the ejection port, press the button, slide one in the gate, call "pull", press the trigger twice, safely get to the next station and repeat. it's when there's an anomalous problem in that sequence that it all goes to hell. And even within that process, it takes her a station or two to "get it" again.

[TCinVA]

Funnily enough, my wife's relative familiarity with her sporting clays gun is what's leading me down this path, so it's similar to what you describe but with a different outcome.

the thing is, those weird little idiosyncrasies you described earlier (why won't the bolt cycle, or the shell drop, or the lifter move, or this other weird thing, o right I gotta press in this little nubbin that doesn't even look like a goddamn button... oh, wait, that did something but not what I wanted it to...) can be intimidating with the semi even for someone that's passably used to using one. My wife can happily load one in the ejection port, press the button, slide one in the gate, call "pull", press the trigger twice, safely get to the next station and repeat. it's when there's an anomalous problem in that sequence that it all goes to hell. And even within that process, it takes her a station or two to "get it" again.

Right. Hence the pump gun's continued relevance in the world of defense. It's easy to set up and it's easy to get into action. "Grab it, pump it, shoot it" is especially useful for people who aren't practicing how to use their semi-auto on a regular basis. Most people do not train regularly with a shotgun, especially those in uniform who actually have them available. So a simple procedure to get the gun into action is crucial. (Or, if you are a police administrator, a complicated procedure that virtually guarantees someone won't have confidence they can use it so they won't even reach for it and potentially hurt themselves or someone else with it is crucial)

The pump is also a little bit faster to get into action than the semi, even with an experienced and trained hand. The pump is just more efficient to run for the first shot as opposed to running the semi's bolt. There was enough confusion on storing them for ready that I did a couple of videos for the JDC facebook to show how to set up for "cruiser ready" (I sometimes call it closet ready or safe ready to make it more relatable to normal earth people) on both platforms:

https://www.facebook.com/622964881212762/videos/1310033502673224

https://www.facebook.com/622964881212762/videos/691764901715823

In class I advise keeping the gun in a ready state that replicated "cruiser ready" with a pump gun as closely as possible. At home I keep my 1301 with a shell on the lifter so it is as simple as running the bolt and I'm ready to go. In Home Defense Shotgun *every* drill we run is run from cruiser ready, requiring setting the gun up for cruiser ready to make that possible. It's done deliberately so that people become familiar with the process. Some of the work in more advance courses is done from a chamber loaded state, but I still spend as much time as I practically can getting people to work from an empty chamber so they get reps charging the gun and setting it up for an empty chamber.

I only get so many supervised reps with clients so I try to get as much value out of that as I can by burning in as many reps as I can that will be close to what they're going to have to do in the worst case scenario in real defensive use.

[nalesq]

Funnily enough, my wife's relative familiarity with her sporting clays gun is what's leading me down this path, so it's similar to what you describe but with a different outcome.

the thing is, those weird little idiosyncrasies you described earlier (why won't the bolt cycle, or the shell drop, or the lifter move, or this other weird thing, o right I gotta press in this little nubbin that doesn't even look like a goddamn button... oh, wait, that did something but not what I wanted it to...) can be intimidating with the semi even for someone that's passably used to using one. My wife can happily load one in the ejection port, press the button, slide one in the gate, call "pull", press the trigger twice, safely get to the next station and repeat. it's when there's an anomalous problem in that sequence that it all goes to hell. And even within that process, it takes her a station or two to "get it" again.

I don’t understand why semiauto shotguns have to be so complicated to load and unload, compared to other semiauto weapons. Is it just so that one can run the bolt manually to eject the round in the chamber without putting another shell on the lifter? Why is that such a desirable feature given all the other user interface problems it causes?



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[rob_s]

I don’t understand why semiauto shotguns have to be so complicated to load and unload, compared to other semiauto weapons. Is it just so that one can run the bolt manually to eject the round in the chamber without putting another shell on the lifter? Why is that such a desirable feature given all the other user interface problems it causes?


First, I don't think comparing them to other semi-autos is the right comparison. Comparing them to pumps is.
Second, even if you are comparing them to other semi-autos, once you've gone AR... Yes it's not bad compared to an AK, hell it's even kind of similar I suppose with the charging handle on the starboard side, but it's not as ergonomic as an AR
Third, what seems to confuse people (even me!) is the "weird" amalgamation of buttons, some of which don't even look like buttons, the fact that pulling back on the bolt may or may not actually chamber a round...

In fact, typing that last line, it occurs to me that your question may have been more about "why have they designed these things in such a cockamamie way" not so much "what the hell is wrong with your wife". :p

[nalesq]

First, I don't think comparing them to other semi-autos is the right comparison. Comparing them to pumps is.
Second, even if you are comparing them to other semi-autos, once you've gone AR... Yes it's not bad compared to an AK, hell it's even kind of similar I suppose with the charging handle on the starboard side, but it's not as ergonomic as an AR
Third, what seems to confuse people (even me!) is the "weird" amalgamation of buttons, some of which don't even look like buttons, the fact that pulling back on the bolt may or may not actually chamber a round...

In fact, typing that last line, it occurs to me that your question may have been more about "why have they designed these things in such a cockamamie way" not so much "what the hell is wrong with your wife". :p

Yeah, I’m definitely coming from the perspective of “why have they designed these things in such a cockamamie way?” lol!


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[TCinVA]

I don’t understand why semiauto shotguns have to be so complicated to load and unload, compared to other semiauto weapons. Is it just so that one can run the bolt manually to eject the round in the chamber without putting another shell on the lifter?


On some guns, yes. It is. Some guns have a magazine cutoff so you can quickly take a shell out of the chamber allowing you to climb over a fence, get into a blind, or get up into a tree stand. Or to prevent a shell from ending up in the chamber if the gun receives enough of an impact for inertia to cycle the bolt. Some guns do not have this feature.

The Mossberg semi-autos, for instance, do not have a shell cuttoff. They will drop a shell on the lifter every time the bolt is cycled. Berettas and Benellis do have a shell cutoff.

To drop that shell on the lifter, you need to engage a shell release button...which is naturally in entirely different places on each gun. Beretta traditionally places theirs on the underside of the trigger plate behind the lifter. Benelli has theirs on the right side of the trigger plate up by the trigger guard.

And so even if you are a guy who handles a wide variety of shotguns on a regular basis and you teach this stuff when someone shows up with a semi-auto that you don't use regularly you have to borrow the gun from the client and play with it to figure out whether it has a magazine cutoff, where the controls are, etc.

This isn't a concern for most people because they stick with one brand of semi-auto shotgun and police mostly use pump guns.

[GJM]

With a Benelli or 1301, if you leave a round released on the carrier, with the safety off, it can hardly be simpler to get the shotgun into action.

If someone can't invest the time to learn to do that, they might be better off with pepper spray and an air horn.

[nalesq]

With a Benelli or 1301, if you leave a round released on the carrier, with the safety off, it can hardly be simpler to get the shotgun into action.

If someone can't invest the time to learn to do that, they might be better off with pepper spray and an air horn.

If the Benelli/1301 were the only weapon one had, besides maybe a revolver, I would agree. But it’s precisely that extra step of having to push some special button or another to release a shell onto the carrier before attempting to chamber a round that is so potentially confusing (and annoying to me), because virtually no other repeating firearm has such a thing.




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[nalesq]

Accidental duplicate post

[TCinVA]

If the Benelli/1301 were the only weapon one had, besides maybe a revolver, I would agree. But it’s precisely that extra step of having to push some special button or another to release a shell onto the carrier before attempting to chamber a round that is so potentially confusing (and annoying to me), because virtually no other repeating firearm has such a thing.




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That's why I teach people to have a shell on the lifter. That can be done in a zero stress environment so that under stress just running the bolt loads the gun for use. Since setting a gun up for storage should always be something we do carefully and deliberately in a no-stress environment it should be easily doable for most folks.

[Navin Johnson]

A shell on the lifter (ghost) makes it easier than a pump to use.

Yes one (she, he, they, them) must jack the bolt (which is slightly more complicated than just racking the slide as long as the slide is unlocked ahead of time) but then it's far more reliable and easier to operate than any pump.

Overall it is more complicated than a pump but many people shouldn't drive a car let alone own guns.....

[GJM]

If the Benelli/1301 were the only weapon one had, besides maybe a revolver, I would agree. But it’s precisely that extra step of having to push some special button or another to release a shell onto the carrier before attempting to chamber a round that is so potentially confusing (and annoying to me), because virtually no other repeating firearm has such a thing.




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The flip side, is that feature allows you to quickly and efficiently clear the chamber, while keeping the magazine tube loaded. It also allows you to select shot/buck/slug as desired without having to leave a space in the tube. It allows you to make the ready process harder for someone unfamiliar, which I consider an advantage. It allows you to walk around with a shell released, or even quasi chambered where the base of the shell is in but part of the load is out the chamber.

[GyroF-16]

If the Benelli/1301 were the only weapon one had, besides maybe a revolver, I would agree. But it’s precisely that extra step of having to push some special button or another to release a shell onto the carrier before attempting to chamber a round that is so potentially confusing (and annoying to me), because virtually no other repeating firearm has such a thing.




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But here’s the thing - you don’t have to do that under time pressure. Load the gun, and then release a shell onto the carrier (or ghost-load one, it you’re feeling froggy). That leaves you with a “cruiser ready” gun - so when the moment comes, you pick it up, run the bolt to chamber a round, and go to work.

I choose to keep the mag full and the carrier empty, so I have TWO “switch actions” to get to a hot gun. But I also spent many nights, as I dropped off to sleep, mentally rehearsing those actions, so there was no doubt in my mind what I needed to do to bring the 1301T into action if required. I’m completely comfortable that I will not be confused if I need to do it under pressure.

ETA- It seems I paraphrased GJM before I refreshed and read his post.
I keep the carrier empty for the same reason- to make it that much more difficult for someone unfamiliar to chamber a round.

[Balisong]

Yes Balisong, I beg your pardon. You certainly can skip that step and just load one on top of the lifter, and rack the bolt to chamber it when needed. That would give you 8 in the gun with the 2 round extension. 🤓👍

Thank you sir, that's very good to know as I'm quite interested in having a lifter that stays up out of the way once the gun is being shot to make reloads easier on the hands/fingers.

rob_s very good points about the initial cost difference of pumps vs semi. I guess it didn't cross my mind due to the current ammo prices making the actual gun cost virtually negligible if one is going to do any amount of shooting of it lol.

TCinVA thanks as always for your informative input. Now get to Phoenix so I can take your damn class!

[TCinVA]

Thank you sir, that's very good to know as I'm quite interested in having a lifter that stays up out of the way once the gun is being shot to make reloads easier on the hands/fingers.

@rob_s (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=2173) very good points about the initial cost difference of pumps vs semi. I guess it didn't cross my mind due to the current ammo prices making the actual gun cost virtually negligible if one is going to do any amount of shooting of it lol.

@TCinVA (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=4) thanks as always for your informative input. Now get to Phoenix so I can take your damn class!

Phoenix is where Matt Haught roams, not me. Farthest west we're going is Oklahoma next month, if you can make that.

Matt's ok. He's nowhere near as pretty as me, though, so if you are in class with him it won't be quite the religious experience that accompanies the pleasures of my visage in person.

[rob_s]

Quick question, in case anyone knows....

Is the “manual of arms” (Aka, buttons, levers, switches and the operation and function thereof) the same on the 1301 as it is on our a390s? Maybe with the sizes and shapes slightly different but otherwise the same? Such that if I wanted to experiment with all this “ghost loading” business I could do so with our 390s, see how I feel about it, show it to the wife and see what her thoughts are, and then decide about buying a 1301 to replace the 870 based on which she thinks is easier to manipulate and get into action?

[TCinVA]

Quick question, in case anyone knows....

Is the “manual of arms” (Aka, buttons, levers, switches and the operation and function thereof) the same on the 1301 as it is on our a390s? Maybe with the sizes and shapes slightly different but otherwise the same? Such that if I wanted to experiment with all this “ghost loading” business I could do so with our 390s, see how I feel about it, show it to the wife and see what her thoughts are, and then decide about buying a 1301 to replace the 870 based on which she thinks is easier to manipulate and get into action?

You should be able to. The way to check is to put a shell or a dummy in the magazine tube, then press the carrier stop push button at the back of the lifter and see if that shell pops on to the lifter. Then see if it will pick up that shell when you just run the bolt.

If it does both of those things...and it should...that's exactly how it would work with the 1301.

[LHS]

Phoenix is where Matt Haught roams, not me. Farthest west we're going is Oklahoma next month, if you can make that.

Matt's ok. He's nowhere near as pretty as me, though, so if you are in class with him it won't be quite the religious experience that accompanies the pleasures of my visage in person.

Sadly, my receding hairline simply cannot compete with the epic mane of TC.

[GJM]

Not that I recommend it, but if the “wife” can’t find the shell release button to charge the shotgun, pulling the trigger releases the shell from the magazine tube.

[Flyboytim]

He's nowhere near as pretty as me, though, so if you are in class with him it won't be quite the religious experience that accompanies the pleasures of my visage in person.

I bet you say that to all the girls…. 😜

[Balisong]

Sadly, my receding hairline simply cannot compete with the epic mane of TC.

I guess I'll just have to settle.

[trajiiic]

I still need to install some parts and get some pictures/videos up. In the meantime...

Federal Flight Control 8 Pellet 00 Buck (and their LE Slugs) are for sale here:
https://shoptexasgunexperience.com/ammo/federal-premium-le-12-gauge-2-75in-8-pellet-00-buck-with-flightcontrol-5-round-box-of-shotshell-ammunition-le13300/


I purchased the 9 pellet last time. I will be curious to see the difference in patterning. IE: if the 9th pellet is truly a "flyer".

[Lex Luthier]

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[Not HighSpeed]

I'm confused. Does the Aridus adapter work with both the 590 and 870 SGA stocks or just the 590? I know the stocks have different attachment points, but I keep seeing references to both stocks(could be a typo) and the adapter on forums.

[TCinVA]

I'm confused. Does the Aridus adapter work with both the 590 and 870 SGA stocks or just the 590? I know the stocks have different attachment points, but I keep seeing references to both stocks(could be a typo) and the adapter on forums.

Just the 590 version. It has very different dimensions than the 870 version of the SGA.

[Not HighSpeed]

Just the 590 version. It has very different dimensions than the 870 version of the SGA.

Thank you, that's what I thought.

[trajiiic]

Briley 1301 standard length black charging handle vs 1301 Tactical charging handle.

https://i.ibb.co/xsXn1Nf/PXL-20210522-233402076.jpg




I also got the Comp Pro lifter installed. It wasn't terribly hard. I used the bag method mentioned earlier instead of a full disassembly.

I can confirm that I was able to ghost load with the Comp Pro lifter. Although, the method is slightly different which was shown in a video in this thread prior. I practiced the ghost load with dummy shells multiple time before I felt comfortable doing it with live ammo. It's a bit trickier IMO, but not important for an exercise use for staging. I do, however, advise caution. Federal flight control buckshot did ghost load and when the charging handle is pulled and released it did chamber. I have no doubt it work as intended but in full disclosure I have not yet live fired to confirm.

[GearFondler]

Briley 1301 standard length black charging handle vs 1301 Tactical charging handle.

https://i.ibb.co/xsXn1Nf/PXL-20210522-233402076.jpg


How the fit of the Briley? I've heard mixed reviews.

[Clusterfrack]

How the fit of the Briley? I've heard mixed reviews.

Mine is good to go.

[Clusterfrack]

I can't explain in any rational way why I hate the OEM charging handle so much. But I just do. It feels cheap, and looks like ass.


Briley 1301 standard length black charging handle vs 1301 Tactical charging handle.

https://i.ibb.co/xsXn1Nf/PXL-20210522-233402076.jpg

[GearFondler]

I can't explain in any rational way why I hate the OEM charging handle so much. But I just do. It feels cheap, and looks like ass.There has been 1 or 2 pics of broken ones... One was dropped on the handle and one was smacked by a doorframe while slung. It's plastic so shit can happen.

[Cory]

I can't explain in any rational way why I hate the OEM charging handle so much. But I just do. It feels cheap, and looks like ass.

I had thought it seemed cheap, but it works.

I didn't think it looked like ass, but then again they aren't all bad.

[trajiiic]

How the fit of the Briley? I've heard mixed reviews.

My Briley CH fits about the same as OEM. I wouldn't say it's better or worse.



I can't explain in any rational way why I hate the OEM charging handle so much. But I just do. It feels cheap, and looks like ass.

That's pretty much my feelings. I primarily do not enjoy that a polymer piece is going to take the brunt of an impact from the shotgun if it were to be dropped. That's basically the only reason I changed to a metal one. The enlarged Briley (or any other make) CH would probably be more of an "upgrade" but it only makes the drop problem even worse with more leverage to bend/break the steel piece going into the carrier. I can barely fit the 1301 with a carbine in my 2 rifle bag as is. I wouldn't want an even longer handle that may require removal to fit in my range bag.

[trajiiic]

Surprise 1301 video drop by TFB TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9wCsFKW9E

[Paul Blackburn]

With so many red options available is there any consensus on which red dot is best suited for the 1301?

[Cory]

Surprise 1301 video drop by TFB TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI9wCsFKW9E

That review was awesome. Absolutely awesome.I laughed out loud on my lunch break at least twice.

I still need to pickup a magpul stock to toss on, then I'm debating buying a light vs side saddle. Both are planned, but what first?

[trajiiic]

With so many red options available is there any consensus on which red dot is best suited for the 1301?

I don't think there's ever going to be a consensus on which is "best". Like many things it comes down to use, cost, features, and value.

My opinion is that long guns should have a fully enclosed durable optic, which is why I went with the Sig Romeo 5. While I would love to put an aim point/ACOG on everything, that's just not in my budget. For me, the Romeo 5 on the Beretta rail offers everything I need for a home defense role red dot. I also use a Romeo 5 one on my "truck gun". My other long guns have ACOGs.

There are plenty of people using small micro dots. I don't see anything wrong with that either. I can't comment on their use on the 1301. I'll leave that to others.

As I see it, the two most important factors unique to mounting a red dot sight to the 1301 are the mounting solution (rail vs crom) and the co-witness (full, 1/3, none). The Romeo 5 and anything else that I've mounted to the factory rail will not co-witness.



That review was awesome. Absolutely awesome.I laughed out loud on my lunch break at least twice.

I still need to pickup a magpul stock to toss on, then I'm debating buying a light vs side saddle. Both are planned, but what first?


My family is Floridian, and I had a good chuckle at the Florida Man weaknesses.

A light is more important to me since the 1301 is staged for HD use. If it were more of a range gun only I would say go with the saddle. That being said the SOE Gear (or whatever non-Amazon brand) shotgun cars are 25-30 bucks and may be a good place holder until you get the fancy one.

[Clusterfrack]

Sighting in with Brenneke slugs and rubber animal control slugs, which print within 1” of each other at 30 yds. Ready for Alaska.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210525/7c8cef0a9a6e19b548298f0ee0dd3dd2.jpg

[mmc45414]

Is this bolt catch a current production change on the 1301T? It looks like the part from a Comp Pro.
I have an Xtrema2 that I have been using to dabble in three gun, and just yesterday I ordered (from MGW) the catch that looks like this for my gun.
I looked for the 1301T part that could be fitted with the Aridus bushing, but wasn't very available so I got the one that looks like it comes on the Comp Pro. Does your gun elliminate the dump shells lockup concern? Not like this is a problem if i am using the duck gun I never ended up shooting any ducks with, but the lockup thing seems silly if it can be avoided.

I would post better links, but I sitting on the deck of my shed drinking a beer watching the dog patrol for moles (she actually caught one the other day!), so that is priority right now...




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[Clusterfrack]

Is this bolt catch a current production change on the 1301T? It looks like the part from a Comp Pro.
I have an Xtrema2 that I have been using to dabble in three gun, and just yesterday I ordered (from MGW) the catch that looks like this for my gun.
I looked for the 1301T part that could be fitted with the Aridus bushing, but wasn't very available so I got the one that looks like it comes on the Comp Pro. Does your gun elliminate the dump shells lockup concern? Not like this is a problem if i am using the duck gun I never ended up shooting any ducks with, but the lockup thing seems silly if it can be avoided.

I would post better links, but I sitting on the deck of my shed drinking a beer watching the dog patrol for moles (she actually caught one the other day!), so that is priority right now...






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It’s a Gen2. That’s the OEM bolt catch and it works good. No shell dumping.

[mmc45414]

It’s a Gen2. That’s the OEM bolt catch and it works good. No shell dumping.Well, I was saved from myself by not finding what I tried to buy!!

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[trajiiic]

Can a Gen 1 latch be converted to a Gen 2 with OEM parts?

[mmc45414]

Can a Gen 1 latch be converted to a Gen 2 with OEM parts?

Not sure it is same same, and I am still waiting to receive (have tracking number, but USPS doesn't have possession yet), but this is the 3" version of what I ordered:
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8c567
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8c567
ETA: I am pretty sure these are OEM parts.

It looks like what is being shipped on this gun:
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-comp-pro/

And my research was that these things seem to be forward and backward compatible, but know that the Tactical is on a 3" receiver and the Comp models are on a 3.5" receiver, even though they have 3" chambers (to create a bigger hole for twin and quad loading). The 3" versions of all of this stuff seemed to be more available, but I found the 3.5" version I needed at MGW.

[SeriousStudent]

,,,,,

And my research was that these things seem to be forward and backward compatible, but know that the Tactical is on a 3" receiver and the Comp models are on a 3.5" receiver, even though they have 3" chambers (to create a bigger hole for twin and quad loading). The 3" versions of all of this stuff seemed to be more available, but I found the 3.5" version I needed at MGW.

Speaking of that, does anyone know if can I install a Gen1 1301 Tactical 18.5 barrel on a Gen1 1301 Competition receiver?

I just snagged a Gen1 1301 Competition, and saw a 1301 Tactical barrel assembly online.

That would seem to be a great setup - big loading gate and a shorter factory barrel.

Thanks for any advice! :)

[mmc45414]

Speaking of that, does anyone know if can I install a Gen1 1301 Tactical 18.5 barrel on a Gen1 1301 Competition receiver?
I just snagged a Gen1 1301 Competition, and saw a 1301 Tactical barrel assembly online.
This might be one of those things that might not fit exactly but might work just fine. If you have a friend with one you might try it and see if it works?


Thanks for any advice! :)
I am kinda just pulling that out of my ass, so it is worth what ya paid :cool:


I just snagged a Gen1 1301 Competition, and saw a 1301 Tactical barrel assembly online.

That would seem to be a great setup - big loading gate and a shorter factory barrel.
Are you trying to get to having both barrels or just a shorter barrel? Are you worried about the Tactical front sight? If not, Briley (https://www.briley.com/c-1106-12-gauge-automatic-and-pump-choke-installation.aspx)would make your long barrel short for $225:
71909

OTOH, did you get the Comp with 21" or 24"? And if you have the 21" that you might not want, I might know a guy who might want it. Maybe, if it fits his gun... :D

[Cory]

Speaking of that, does anyone know if can I install a Gen1 1301 Tactical 18.5 barrel on a Gen1 1301 Competition receiver?

I just snagged a Gen1 1301 Competition, and saw a 1301 Tactical barrel assembly online.

That would seem to be a great setup - big loading gate and a shorter factory barrel.

Thanks for any advice! :)

Pretty sure it's a total no go.

The comp is a 3.5" shell size receiver (though still chambered in 3) and the tactical is a 3" shell size receiver. My understanding is that the length of the receiver means the barrels don't interchange. Otherwise everyone would be doing that.

[mmc45414]

My understanding is that the length of the receiver means the barrels don't interchange.
I was thinking the short one might fit into the long one, but the more I study it there appears to be a rotational locking lug set that would come up short. My idea looks like a bad idea:

71911

[Clusterfrack]

Fed LE1321B Flight Control Tactical 15 pellet 1-Buck. 30 yds. (Note this was before adjusting the RDS 1.5” right)

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210526/491687a9ff974886c77c8f283b128835.jpg

[SeriousStudent]

Yup, I finally was able to dig out some pics of the actual part of the barrel that locks into the receiver, like mmc45414 displayed. It ain't gonna work.

Cory - it's a 24" barrel, if that helps.

I'll reach out to Briley. and see if that can cut it down to 18.5". I know some folks are adamant about not cutting a chrome-lined barrel. I don't need it choked.

I have a spare Aimpoint S1 that I want to mount on the rib. I want to keep it looking "sporty" as opposed to a device from Murder Machines, Incorporated. :rolleyes:

I certainly do appreciate the help. I got a stupid deal on this shotgun, and I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. Thanks again!

[LHS]

Yup, I finally was able to dig out some pics of the actual part of the barrel that locks into the receiver, like mmc45414 displayed. It ain't gonna work.

Cory - it's a 24" barrel, if that helps.

I'll reach out to Briley. and see if that can cut it down to 18.5". I know some folks are adamant about not cutting a chrome-lined barrel. I don't need it choked.

I have a spare Aimpoint S1 that I want to mount on the rib. I want to keep it looking "sporty" as opposed to a device from Murder Machines, Incorporated. :rolleyes:

I certainly do appreciate the help. I got a stupid deal on this shotgun, and I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. Thanks again!

Dude I was looking into cutting one of the vent-rib barrels down to fit on a 1301T and ran into the same problem, much to my sadness, because Vent Rib All The Things.

[e_stern]

Is this bolt catch a current production change on the 1301T? It looks like the part from a Comp Pro.
I have an Xtrema2 that I have been using to dabble in three gun, and just yesterday I ordered (from MGW) the catch that looks like this for my gun.
I looked for the 1301T part that could be fitted with the Aridus bushing, but wasn't very available so I got the one that looks like it comes on the Comp Pro. Does your gun elliminate the dump shells lockup concern? Not like this is a problem if i am using the duck gun I never ended up shooting any ducks with, but the lockup thing seems silly if it can be avoided.

I would post better links, but I sitting on the deck of my shed drinking a beer watching the dog patrol for moles (she actually caught one the other day!), so that is priority right now...






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Gen 2. The A400/1301 Comp Pro 3.5" cartridge latch/bolt release will fit an old 391 Xtrema/Xtrema II, however it MUST be fitted and timed. Do NOT just drop it in and expect it to work reliably long term. The cartridge latch timing is ABSOLUTELY critical to proper reliability and operation. I would strongly recommend that a gunsmith familiar with Berettas fit and time it if you want to do that upgrade.

[e_stern]

I was thinking the short one might fit into the long one, but the more I study it there appears to be a rotational locking lug set that would come up short. My idea looks like a bad idea:

71911

The 3.5" receiver guns (A400 X+, 1301 Comp, 1301 Comp Pro) have 3.5" Barrel Extensions. They are too long to fit into the 3" Receiver guns (1301 Tac, A400 Lite Synthetic). Going the other way yields improper lockup and fitment as the bolt travel is longer and the ejector is in the wrong spot, although it would fit in the receiver without the bolt carrier assy. In short, they are incompatible.

If you want a VR bbl for the 3" receiver, you need the A400 Lite Synthetic bbl (https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/bbl-a400-shadow-12-28-obhp-fld-matte/jb400sd28/) 28" - also available in 26" - (https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/bbl-a400-shadow-12-26-obhp-fld-matte/jb400sd26/) and the gas system spacer (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C5F172)

[e_stern]

Speaking of that, does anyone know if can I install a Gen1 1301 Tactical 18.5 barrel on a Gen1 1301 Competition receiver?

I just snagged a Gen1 1301 Competition, and saw a 1301 Tactical barrel assembly online.

That would seem to be a great setup - big loading gate and a shorter factory barrel.

Thanks for any advice! :)

Not possible. You can put a 21" bbl on, and that's as short as we do. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/6C96262B06000

[e_stern]

Can a Gen 1 latch be converted to a Gen 2 with OEM parts?


Not sure it is same same, and I am still waiting to receive (have tracking number, but USPS doesn't have possession yet), but this is the 3" version of what I ordered:
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8c567
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/c8c567
ETA: I am pretty sure these are OEM parts.

It looks like what is being shipped on this gun:
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-comp-pro/

And my research was that these things seem to be forward and backward compatible, but know that the Tactical is on a 3" receiver and the Comp models are on a 3.5" receiver, even though they have 3" chambers (to create a bigger hole for twin and quad loading). The 3" versions of all of this stuff seemed to be more available, but I found the 3.5" version I needed at MGW.

See my reply here guys. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=1226205&viewfull=1#post1226205

It has to be fitted for long term reliability and possibly won't work at all if you just drop it in.

[SeriousStudent]

Thanks Mr Stern! I really appreciate your advice. You are a genuine treasure to this forum. :)

[SeriousStudent]

Dude I was looking into cutting one of the vent-rib barrels down to fit on a 1301T and ran into the same problem, much to my sadness, because Vent Rib All The Things.


Indeed. I'm shooting for a 1301 Competition receiver with an 18.5" vent rib barrel, then I'll Mbogo the shit out of that thing. :cool:

(Inside joke for all the Symtac alumni in the crowd.)

[OlongJohnson]

If you want a VR bbl for the 3" receiver, you need the A400 Lite Synthetic bbl (https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/bbl-a400-shadow-12-28-obhp-fld-matte/jb400sd28/) 28" - also available in 26" - (https://www.berettausa.com/en-us/bbl-a400-shadow-12-26-obhp-fld-matte/jb400sd26/) and the gas system spacer (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C5F172)

That setup does make the 1301T into a useable bird/clay gun, if you think you might want to try that. When Beretta has amazing holiday discounts, the price gets reasonable, too.

[SeriousStudent]

That setup does make the 1301T into a useable bird/clay gun, if you think you might want to try that. When Beretta has amazing holiday discounts, the price gets reasonable, too.

Great minds think alike. Monday is Memorial Day, and I have a Beretta coupon in my wee stubby digits.

[trajiiic]

Someone is selling a 1301 Tactical barrel on eBay right now. I have no use for it but someone here may.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/124723530574?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.S EED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dc162e c2353db4e5eb747f49e764af0e9%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D 2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D124642703457%26itm%3D124723530 574%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DB eretta&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Aae064fd7-be8c-11eb-b2bb-86b924a02a43%7Cparentrq%3Aab7bf7c91790ab85bba883f8 fff42076%7Ciid%3A1


People are also scalping the shit out of Aridus goods.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154465914068?hash=item23f6e2ccd4:g:CVMAAOSwehJgq7-S

Not scalping, but c'mon.... just wait....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/274809779982?hash=item3ffbf0770e:g:iVkAAOSwovRgrHK Y

[Dorsai]

This thread will be a mish mash, but hopefully of value to others (a very little bit), and replies of value to me. I've been doing a ton of research and finally dropped the coin on a 1301 tactical. I had been on the waiting list for an LTT, but decided delaying didn't make sense. Inflation is going up, prices are up at least $100 since 6 months ago, and Sleepy Joe is trying to ban everything. Shotty is on the way, almost. My payment is on the way, but I figure I'll have it in hand by Friday next week.

1st, a reply to a comment I was reading from 2019. I figure someone else will find it relevant. The poster commented that it shot well in a match, but wasn't competitive with the other guns that had the long magazine tubes. Since most of the extensions I've seen are using Nordic tubes, and the extension consists of a magazine nut, the tube, and an end cap, why not buy an extra long tube and spring for those days you want more magazine capacity in a match? My only other advice for you married guys is to not let your wife know this when you are using the match as an excuse to buy a 1301 comp gun. She might see through the math and decide $100 is cheaper than $1,500.

Anyway, I've decided to buy on a budget and get what actually improves things. I'm planning to keep the stock furniture for now. I like the feel and the LOP. For $20 I can add a QD cup to the stock and run a side sling. I was hot and heavy for a Magpul fore-end and then asked myself why. It is easy to add on a light and a QD socket. Alternatively, GG&G sells a QD sling loop/pic rail for $41. I have a spare Olight Odin Mini that will fit on the pic rail just fine and it won't be all the way out.
71932

When I can find one for a reasonable price, the Aridus CROM seems to offer advantages that merit the cost. Planning on one of the Holosun 515 optics with an Aimpoint footprint. I haven't read any posts discussing this, but I think the reticle with a 65moa circle and dot could be very useful for a shotgun. 25 yards is often considered the max practical range for buckshot due to spread with an open cylinder choke. At 25 yards, a 65moa circle is about 16.25". If you're using flight control ammo, it will group tighter than the 1" per yard of travel expectation. The circle is really close to being a guide for the spread. Mount the gun and shoot when the circle covers where you want to hit and you are almost guaranteed that the pattern will be within the circle. At 7 yards, the circle on the target will be small. Anyway, that's the plan. Actual shooting will determine if if the theory is correct.

A mag extension when they can be found. The 3" competition shell lifter when they are back in stock. That's the plan.

[mmc45414]

Thanks Mr Stern! I really appreciate your advice. You are a genuine treasure to this forum. :)
Yes, This! Thank you much for your participation and advice!


Not possible. You can put a 21" bbl on, and that's as short as we do. https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/6C96262B06000
So, since the 1301 Comp is 3.5", any chance this would work out on my 391 Xtreama2? Because I really do not want a second gun that does almost exactly what the one I have does :cool:

In related news, I adjusted the drop on the Xtreama and just had a great night on skeet targets. I have been using it primarily for local club level three gun these days, and took it tonight to just get some more reps on it, since I have been focused on my 686 for skeet. Pretty sure I should have adjusted the stock a long time ago, because I went 24/25/23/22 and that is a little better than I have been shooting lately.