Beretta 1301 Tactical

[Navin Johnson]

Have both. If one has the scratch to buy a 1301 at current prices I would spend another Benji and get 2 A300's

[Joe Mac]

Mod 2
New stock and hand guard, pro lifter, flatter trigger, kick recoil reducer compatible, higher price


Been holding off on buying one, for various reasons, but this is the 1301 I need.

[rob_s]

Been holding off on buying one, for various reasons, but this is the 1301 I need.

Concur.

Now to convince the wife…

[Pnut]

I know the newest version is advertised to be compatible with the recoils reducing stock. Are the older models NOT compatible? What makes it different?

[bofe954]

Now that they are priced about the same as a Benelli M2 tactical, is the 1301 better than the M2?

[GJM]

Now that they are priced about the same as a Benelli M2 tactical, is the 1301 better than the M2?

Define better. The 1301 is softer shooting. The M2 has a bunch of models and the option of a 14 inch barrel.

[TCinVA]

Now that they are priced about the same as a Benelli M2 tactical, is the 1301 better than the M2?

The M2 uses the inertia system, so it will tend to have more felt recoil and be pickier about what it feeds. It comes from the factory with a longer length of pull. The ergonomics of the controls are not quite as good as the 1301 unless you are well accustomed to the Benelli layout.

Neither are bad shotguns and while there are some objective differences that lean in the Beretta's favor, "Better" is going to end up in the eye of the beholder.

For adaptability to the end user the 1301 is still the closest thing in the semi-auto world to the 870...and more stuff will be coming at SHOT to add still more options for it.

Tactical/defensive shotguns are, in general, an incredibly small percentage of sales for the big semi-auto manufacturers. But as best I know, Beretta is selling more tactical shotguns than anyone else and that's helping make a case for the aftermarket. Aridus took a huge risk by going hard into the paint on a low volume niche defensive shotgun, but doing so helped promote the gun and obviously made enough of a case for an aftermarket to help make the gun better that the Aridus catalog was "appropriated" by others.

Will other manufacturers up their defensive shotgun game chasing Beretta's success here? Remains to be seen. But for now, the 1301 is still the king of adaptability in the semi-auto space.

If I'm comparing the two guns side by side, the adaptability through the aftermarket alone is enough to make me buy the 1301.

[GJM]

In AK, I have a choice of a 1301, Benelli M4 14 inch and two 14 inch Benelli M2 shotguns (one with a S1 on the rib and the other a Micro over the action). When I head out the door, I most often grab one of the M2's as they are slightly handier. Would grab the 1301 to go shoot more than a few rounds. Not sure why I would grab the M4, unless I wanted something to double as a sledge hammer.

[Pnut]

I own an M1 and a 1301. Even though I’ve owned the M1 for over 20 years, I prefer the 1301 due to ergonomics and reliability. The M1 can be picky with certain loads and adding accessories like side saddles might affect reliability due the the inertia system.

[rob_s]

before this thread started (and I likely even posted in the thread about it) I would have wanted an M2 with rifle sights. For quite some time they were hard to find but now I got so many gunbroker alerts to the thing being available I had to unsubscribe.

Based on this thread alone, I'll be buying a 1301 (or maybe a 300UP :cool: )

[Ben_G]

Tim nailed it with the industrial/economic situation in Europe for the price increase. Energy prices in Europe have gone through the roof, and that issue compounds at every level of supply chain for raw material, vendor operations, shipping, etc. Inflation of the Euro vs USD has actually blunted that edge a bit, but there's no avoiding it's impact.

The new features added were to continue to improve the platform in a way that tracks with that price increase so the value of the product for the consumer stays in line with the cost. The last thing we or any company wants to do is just pass along an inflationary markup to our customers if we can help it.

The new 1301 forend kits are being targeted to be available on the market before the end of Q1. The trigger groups will be at least a year if not more since thats a bottleneck item.

The Mod. 2 stock is the same as the original 5 shot tube 1301 (which are gen 1 kickoff compatible). When the first 7rd tube 922r approved 1301 came out a couple years back we had to use one of our US made, and non-kickoff compatible, stocks to meet the domestic parts count. That new forend is US made, so we were able to revert to the original stock. Practically speaking, that original stock is actually better due to the LOP, texture, and grip angle; not the kickoff compatibility (but that's harder to explain to the mass market).

[ssb]

With the pro lifter, can one still keep a shell on the lifter for cruiser/closet ready?

My current manual of arms is to load the tube to capacity and then press the shell release button to drop a round onto the lifter, so as to only require me to work the bolt to get the gun into action. I know nothing about how the pro lifter works, but it looks like maybe this technique wouldn’t work?

[Pnut]

Yes, you can ghost load with the Pro-Lifter. The trick is to hold the bolt back, but not all the way. Then hit the shell release button while inserting a shell and pushing down on the lifter. While Keeping pressure downward on the shell, slowly ease the bolt forwards till it clears the shell’s rim. Be careful of getting your finger stuck by the forward moving bolt!

It sounds a lot more complicated than actually doing it. It’s awkward at first but after a few tries becomes manageable. There’s a video somewhere on YouTube demonstrating the process.

[Ben_G]

With the pro lifter, can one still keep a shell on the lifter for cruiser/closet ready?

My current manual of arms is to load the tube to capacity and then press the shell release button to drop a round onto the lifter, so as to only require me to work the bolt to get the gun into action. I know nothing about how the pro lifter works, but it looks like maybe this technique wouldn’t work?

Yes, that'll work just fine.

As Pnut said you can also ghost load with the Pro lifter by going in through the chamber to get the 7+1 capacity without a round chambered, but it is more of a pain with the Pro lifter than the standard one.

[TCB]

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Got bored over the holidays while recovering from a minor surgery and did a thing. Turned my 21” 1301 Comp into a kind of 1301Comp(T). GG&G adapters for the Magpul furniture, Nordic tube (8 shell capacity (10 if you ghost load and have one in the chamber)) and a Farrowtech plate with a Steiner MPS. Just waiting on a couple bits to mount up a light…

[Cory]

Aridus has teased something new coming a few times. Interested to ser what it is. Looks polymer?

p/C18WVIPLO-N

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[TCinVA]

It's a couple of things that I think people are going to like. Including something folks here have actually lamented not being available for the 1301.

[GearFondler]

It's a couple of things that I think people are going to like. Including something folks here have actually lamented not being available for the 1301.Like this? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240119/184b018fc2b7e5f8bc60c7eee25234f1.jpg

[TCinVA]

Well, I mean if he's gonna tell on himself...

Yeah. Heat shield is one of the things. He spent a lot of time working on a heat shield and a mount for it that doesn't seem to have any impact on accuracy.

[shootist26]

With the pro lifter, can one still keep a shell on the lifter for cruiser/closet ready?

My current manual of arms is to load the tube to capacity and then press the shell release button to drop a round onto the lifter, so as to only require me to work the bolt to get the gun into action. I know nothing about how the pro lifter works, but it looks like maybe this technique wouldn’t work?

based on your post, I don't think you're asking about ghost loading but rather if pushing the shell release button on the pro lifter will still allow a round to feed from the mag tube and onto the lifter (so to chamber a round, all you need to do is rack the bolt handle). Yes it works like that, exactly like the regular shell lifter.

When I first bought the pro lifter, I was curious how releasing a round from the tube would work if the lifter sits up at an angle. However, pushing the shell release button will first swivel the lifter down into position before releasing a round from the tube. So it works perfectly.

[SamueL]

Well, I mean if he's gonna tell on himself...

Yeah. Heat shield is one of the things. He spent a lot of time working on a heat shield and a mount for it that doesn't seem to have any impact on accuracy.

I can neither confirm nor deny that it is ingenious! I felt like I was cheating on my wife looking at the pics.

As for the other items, Adam has some good stuff coming out and I already asked him to take my money.

[Pnut]

Patiently waiting to see what’s new from Aridus! If it IS a heat shield, I’m curious if it requires the Magpul handguard.

[Centerfire]

One of the pictures on Aridus' IG page looks like a folding Chisel stock.

[TCinVA]

One of the pictures on Aridus' IG page looks like a folding Chisel stock.

It is. On a gun that has a couple of other neat things on it that will debut...including the new improved handguard setup. Aridus just posted about that on Zuckface.

[Cory]

The chisel stock with a red dot mounted on a riser behind the receiver was in a clip ppsted to their page, seems cool. I'm not really after a folding stock though.

I saw the 4rd QDC side saddles, and they seem neat. I like the full size I have.

I do need to pick up his improved bolt release.

[Cory]

Looks like GG&G may already be announcing a "just as good" heatsheild.

They blatently ripped off Aridus previous designs, so I'm curious if they've somehow ripped off the heatsheild prior to it even being released. Even if thats not the case I wont be buying any of their products.

SpyderMan2k4

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[GyroF-16]

Looks like GG&G may already be announcing a "just as good" heatsheild.

They blatently ripped off Aridus previous designs, so I'm curious if they've somehow ripped off the heatsheild prior to it even being released. Even if thats not the case I wont be buying any of their products.

SpyderMan2k4

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Liked because I agree with you, not because I like the latest GG&G shenanigans.
I’m neither interested nor disinterested in GG&G.
But if it’s anything that Aridus makes, I’m buying it from SpyderMan2k4

[TCinVA]

Looks like GG&G may already be announcing a "just as good" heatsheild.

They blatently ripped off Aridus previous designs, so I'm curious if they've somehow ripped off the heatsheild prior to it even being released. Even if thats not the case I wont be buying any of their products.

@SpyderMan2k4 (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=9990)

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Thankfully, no. they didn't just rip this one from Aridus. Adam's design is very different.

[destruya]

I'm just hoping that the Gen 2 Part Deux isn't so different that we initial-adopters don't get left cold over time. That said, the fact that the "1301T G2PD" doesn't have the beveled feeder makes me think Beretta didn't radically alter the production line.

(They really should've called it the "1301 Pro-Tactical" or something since the pro-lifter is the biggest value-add over the previous gen, which was also now-confusingly referred to as "Gen 2")

Oh, and while I'm here - I'm coming up on three years with my 1301T come this September - anyone have suggestions for where I could send my LE's fixed-IC choke barrel off to for choke threading? I've tried to find a new stock OEM barrel *with* the choke threading already in place but the usual suspects like MGW are OOS. And for those who've already had it done, what am I looking at cost-wise?

[Lon]

I'm just hoping that the Gen 2 Part Deux isn't so different that we initial-adopters don't get left cold over time. That said, the fact that the "1301T G2PD" doesn't have the beveled feeder makes me think Beretta didn't radically alter the production line.

(They really should've called it the "1301 Pro-Tactical" or something since the pro-lifter is the biggest value-add over the previous gen, which was also now-confusingly referred to as "Gen 2")

Oh, and while I'm here - I'm coming up on three years with my 1301T come this September - anyone have suggestions for where I could send my LE's fixed-IC choke barrel off to for choke threading? I've tried to find a new stock OEM barrel *with* the choke threading already in place but the usual suspects like MGW are OOS. And for those who've already had it done, what am I looking at cost-wise?

What finish you got? I’d trade my marine finish choked barrel for a fixed choke.

[destruya]

What finish you got? I’d trade my marine finish choked barrel for a fixed choke.

Flat black with a pretty low round count, but I'd honestly prefer a new part even given the fact that MGW charges like $650 for it (if they had it in stock).

[Caballoflaco]

I'm just hoping that the Gen 2 Part Deux isn't so different that we initial-adopters don't get left cold over time. That said, the fact that the "1301T G2PD" doesn't have the beveled feeder makes me think Beretta didn't radically alter the production line.

(They really should've called it the "1301 Pro-Tactical" or something since the pro-lifter is the biggest value-add over the previous gen, which was also now-confusingly referred to as "Gen 2")

Oh, and while I'm here - I'm coming up on three years with my 1301T come this September - anyone have suggestions for where I could send my LE's fixed-IC choke barrel off to for choke threading? I've tried to find a new stock OEM barrel *with* the choke threading already in place but the usual suspects like MGW are OOS. And for those who've already had it done, what am I looking at cost-wise?

I personally wouldn’t be in a hurry to get the Chrome lined barrel threaded since you’ll be cutting through the lining to get chokes.

[destruya]

I personally wouldn’t be in a hurry to get the Chrome lined barrel threaded since you’ll be cutting through the lining to get chokes.

Yeah, I know - which is why I'm trying to find a new OEM barrel from one of the five-rounder non-LE 1301Ts that's pre-threaded for a choke. The only reason I'm starting to care is that I'm planning on picking up an A400 for skeet and trap and that means I might *eventually* end up getting a shotgun can. It'd be nice to be able to swap it in-between both guns.

I'm not even sure if this is the right one: https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/a6c86352c05000

Oh, and it appears that Beretta (at least in the UK) is now selling the Gen 2's trigger group with the pro-lifter and new trigger pre-installed: https://estore.beretta.com/en-gb/product/trigger-group-for-1301-tactical-gen-2-ga--12-C8K415 (and to save the suspense, no, they won't accept international orders - not even inter-European orders)

No results (yet) on the US site for the part number: C8K415

...I think this means don't expect the Tactical Pro-Lifter to come back in stock any time soon. =/

[Mb111]

Looks like GG&G may already be announcing a "just as good" heatsheild.

They blatently ripped off Aridus previous designs, so I'm curious if they've somehow ripped off the heatsheild prior to it even being released. Even if thats not the case I wont be buying any of their products.

SpyderMan2k4

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I think GG&G should focus their efforts on filling the existing orders they have rather than introducing new products. I placed an order 2 weeks ago for an add-on for my 1301 and got quite the attitude about how busy they are when I called this past week to politely inquire when my product would ship. Not cool to be treated like they’re doing me a favor when I buy something from them.

[Centerfire]

Aridus redesigned their rear handguard mount. The new part frees up the entire M-Lok slot on the Zhokov handguard.

ETA: If I'm ready Adams IG correctly it appears he's redesigning most of the 1301 legacy upgrades to reduce weight. Hopefully he makes the parts available A La Carte so existing users can upgrade. My 1301 had gotten pretty chunky.

[TCinVA]

Aridus redesigned their rear handguard mount. The new part frees up the entire M-Lok slot on the Zhokov handguard.

ETA: If I'm ready Adams IG correctly it appears he's redesigning most of the 1301 legacy upgrades to reduce weight. Hopefully he makes the parts available A La Carte so existing users can upgrade. My 1301 had gotten pretty chunky.

Correctamundo.

There are revisions to the SGA adapter and the Zhukov handguard adapter that will be shown off next week, as well as the new heat shield.

[Centerfire]

Here's a recent scientific study conducted providing empirical evidence validating the 1301P over every other modern shotgun.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC6II1bX8NM

[TCinVA]

The Aridus heat shield in action:

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[TCinVA]

So now that it's all out there:

New SGA adapter and Zhukov fore-end adapter that are made of high durability polymer
New heat shield that covers about where your hands should go...as seen above...and clamps to the barrel without impacting POI on the test guns
Revised Zhukov mounting bracket at the rear to give back the full MLOK slot

So more options.

[TCinVA]

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[Clusterfrack]

^^^That looks so much better than attaching the light to the bendy Magpul fore-end. If this had been around, I might not have sold my Zhukov setup and gone back to the OEM fore-end.

[GearFondler]

I wish the heat guard covered a bit more of the barrel but I'll still get it over the GG&G version just for spite.
Also it appears to be metal, perhaps aluminum, versus the plastic from Shady Gah Gah.

[Pnut]

AWESOME!!!! I was planning on getting the gen2 handguard, but this might be the way to go. Are the slots in the nose piece MLOK compatible? Aridus thought of everything, including filling the annoying gap in the stock.

[Centerfire]

I wish the heat guard covered a bit more of the barrel but I'll still get it over the GG&G version just for spite.
Also it appears to be metal, perhaps aluminum, versus the plastic from Shady Gah Gah.

Adam said it's aluminum. I hope it isn't attached directly to the barrel.

[GearFondler]

Adam said it's aluminum. I hope it isn't attached directly to the barrel.It is but the way it's stepped it should be locked in place by the forend so it doesn't slide around.
Also, it's still a prototype so changes may occur.

[Centerfire]

It is but the way it's stepped it should be locked in place by the forend so it doesn't slide around.
Also, it's still a prototype so changes may occur.

Aluminum makes an excellent heat sink.

[GearFondler]

Aluminum makes an excellent heat sink.I wondered about that as well so we'll just have to see.

[WobblyPossum]

I recently installed the Aridus follower and I’ve started having some malfunctions in dry fire with dummy rounds. Maybe 25% of the time when I practice emergency loads directly into the ejection port, the dummy shell ends up stuck in a diagonal downwards orientation when the bolt drops. The top of the front of the shell at the edge of the crimp is caught at the top edge of the mag tube where it meets the follower so the bolt can’t feed the round into the chamber. I have to push down on the back end of the shell while holding the bolt handle back so it doesn’t smash my thumb in order to free the front of the dummy shell to clear it. I haven’t taken the gun to the range since the change so I don’t know if it would happen in live fire yet. The Fiocchi dummy rounds are a tiny bit shorter than the live buckshot rounds so maybe it wouldn’t be an issue with the live rounds but I don’t remember this ever happening with the OEM follower. Has anyone seen anything similar happen before?

[Pnut]

I wish the heat guard covered a bit more of the barrel but I'll still get it over the GG&G version just for spite.
Also it appears to be metal, perhaps aluminum, versus the plastic from Shady Gah Gah.

Since the pictured part is just a prototype, I don’t see why they couldn’t make one a few inches longer?!? It looks like the retaining system are the two tabs at the rear.

[TCinVA]

Adam said it's aluminum. I hope it isn't attached directly to the barrel.

It isn't. It's attached to clamps that are hidden beneath. The shield itself doesn't touch the barrel. It's attached to the hidden clamps with the fasteners visible on the side.

[Centerfire]

It isn't. It's attached to clamps that are hidden beneath. The shield itself doesn't touch the barrel. It's attached to the hidden clamps with the fasteners visible on the side.

What do the clamps attach to?

[TCinVA]

What do the clamps attach to?

They clamp around the barrel.

[Clusterfrack]

I recently installed the Aridus follower and I’ve started having some malfunctions in dry fire with dummy rounds. Maybe 25% of the time when I practice emergency loads directly into the ejection port, the dummy shell ends up stuck in a diagonal downwards orientation when the bolt drops. The top of the front of the shell at the edge of the crimp is caught at the top edge of the mag tube where it meets the follower so the bolt can’t feed the round into the chamber. I have to push down on the back end of the shell while holding the bolt handle back so it doesn’t smash my thumb in order to free the front of the dummy shell to clear it. I haven’t taken the gun to the range since the change so I don’t know if it would happen in live fire yet. The Fiocchi dummy rounds are a tiny bit shorter than the live buckshot rounds so maybe it wouldn’t be an issue with the live rounds but I don’t remember this ever happening with the OEM follower. Has anyone seen anything similar happen before?

I tried to reproduce this and couldn’t. The breech loaded dummy shells in my G2 1301 didn’t touch the follower.

[GearFondler]

I recently installed the Aridus follower and I’ve started having some malfunctions in dry fire with dummy rounds. Maybe 25% of the time when I practice emergency loads directly into the ejection port, the dummy shell ends up stuck in a diagonal downwards orientation when the bolt drops. The top of the front of the shell at the edge of the crimp is caught at the top edge of the mag tube where it meets the follower so the bolt can’t feed the round into the chamber. I have to push down on the back end of the shell while holding the bolt handle back so it doesn’t smash my thumb in order to free the front of the dummy shell to clear it. I haven’t taken the gun to the range since the change so I don’t know if it would happen in live fire yet. The Fiocchi dummy rounds are a tiny bit shorter than the live buckshot rounds so maybe it wouldn’t be an issue with the live rounds but I don’t remember this ever happening with the OEM follower. Has anyone seen anything similar happen before?Yep! Not with the Aridus but I was concerned it might which is why I haven't bought one.
I figured out the issue and notated it all quite a while back but it didn't get a lot of traction... Either it only happens to a few of us or others just haven't noticed yet.

It starts at post #3049...

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical/page305#post972819

[WobblyPossum]

Yep! Not with the Aridus but I was concerned it might which is why I haven't bought one.
I figured out the issue and notated it all quite a while back but it didn't get a lot of traction... Either it only happens to a few of us or others just haven't noticed yet.

It starts at post #3049...

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical/page305#post972819

I remember your posts about it happening with the Nordic Components follower. I forgot you had photos of the malfunction as part of your post. You saved me some time as I was going to replicate it again and post some. I’m wondering if most people are just running the OEM follower and that’s why they haven’t experienced this. SpyderMan2k4 has anyone else reported this happening with the Aridus follower?

[Pnut]

Instead of going with an aftermarket follower, I simply drilled a 1/2” hole in my factory follower. This aids in knowing if you are empty by feel. I got the idea from someone else on the forums, but I forget who… but thanks whoever it was!

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/QyySBq4UXPM?si=7c7qeds2BUP5LDwb

[GJM]

What are the pros and cons of the Chisel (sp) stock?

[WobblyPossum]

Instead of going with an aftermarket follower, I simply drilled a 1/2” hole in my factory follower. This aids in knowing if you are empty by feel. I got the idea from someone else on the forums, but I forget who… but thanks whoever it was!

I might go this route if there isn’t a reliable aftermarket option.

[Clusterfrack]

I remember your posts about it happening with the Nordic Components follower. I forgot you had photos of the malfunction as part of your post. You saved me some time as I was going to replicate it again and post some. I’m wondering if most people are just running the OEM follower and that’s why they haven’t experienced this. SpyderMan2k4 has anyone else reported this happening with the Aridus follower?


So I think I may have discovered a possible fatal flaw with the aftermarket Nordic Follower that I haven't seen mentioned before... I know it gets used a lot for 922R compliance but unless I'm doing it wrong it can cause a jam when port loading an empty gun.

The Nordic Follower is generic in design and it's flat top surface lacks a protrusion into the receiver (yeah, my description sucks) so it leaves the shelf between the tube and the chamber exposed (still sucking).
There's a reduced diameter section at the end of the factory follower that allows it to protrude just a bit past the magazine tube, filling the space where the rim of a cartridge sits if it's in the tube.
The Nordic follower lacks this and so an empty mag tube will have an exposed shelf or lip between the tube and the chamber. This can cause a jam with an empty gun if you load a shell through the port and then release the bolt. If the shell nose dives towards the mag tube the lifter can jam the front of the shell up against that shelf at it attempts to lift it upward which also stops the bolt from moving forward. A quick reward tug on the bolt is usually enough to clear the issue but that is not acceptable to me... Fine on the range, not so much elsewhere.
Sorry if my nomenclature was improper but hopefully this picture will help with understanding...

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191230/b0b38ef18cc87bdd17be28cfd7b65dbb.jpg



Here's what mine looks like. The Aridus follower appears to keep the front edge of the shell from hanging up--at least in my gun. I tried a bunch of different live shells, and cannot reproduce this malfunction in my gun.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240123/94a31ed085c7f8f527f9939b87e4a224.jpg

[GyroF-16]

Instead of going with an aftermarket follower, I simply drilled a 1/2” hole in my factory follower. This aids in knowing if you are empty by feel. I got the idea from someone else on the forums, but I forget who… but thanks whoever it was!

That recommendation came from Adam at Aridus back in 2017 or 2018.

[Lon]

What are the pros and cons of the Chisel (sp) stock?

Con=safety placement. I’ve got short fingers.

[NoLock]

For this new 1301 mod 2 it has a factory 7 round "two-piece magazine tube" is it like the older models with a solid 5 round tube attached to the receiver?

[TCinVA]

For this new 1301 mod 2 it has a factory 7 round "two-piece magazine tube" is it like the older models with a solid 5 round tube attached to the receiver?

The Mod2's I saw had a full length magazine tube with an improved cover. I suspect that's what they mean by "two piece".

[mmc45414]

What are the pros and cons of the Chisel (sp) stock?

Con=safety placement. I’ve got short fingers.
I agree, I also have short fingers.
I might suggest the $500 friggin dollars (https://chiselmachining.com/product/1301f/) might be another "con"... :cool:


The Mod2's I saw had a full length magazine tube with an improved cover. I suspect that's what they mean by "two piece".
In the linked Guns America video a Beretta rep specifically said to more easily add aftermarket tubes. ETA: But maybe he was just wrong. I work in sales, and I know my products well, but not always easy to know every single thing about every new product, so I can empathize.

[mmc45414]

NDZ appears to make a follower that protrudes in the desirable manner?
I believe these (https://ndzperformance.com/benelli-m2-shotgun-parts-18469/) would be compatible?

[TCinVA]

This video does a good job of going through the Mod2 and the Aridus suite of accessories for the 1301:


https://youtu.be/gMx9KsL34FA?si=5B9Lifz8QQz42NIE&t=2716

Watching the video I'm not sure about the magazine setup on the Mod2. I didn't ask at the factory but it looks like it might actually be a true two piece magazine extension. His comments at 41:13 seem to point to the ability to screw on a longer tube extension right in front of the fore-end...but somebody from Beretta will have to say for sure.

[TCinVA]

Con=safety placement. I’ve got short fingers.

That and while it's a lovely thing, it's not super friendly for use on the off shoulder. I switch shoulders quite a bit. I'm not exactly amphibious, but I do teach how to run the gun with either hand as the occasional lefty shows up and needs instruction, too. If the need to swap shoulders isn't a concern for you, you do you.

The safety is a little more of a reach with the Chisel, but not much. Handling one I was surprised that I could still get to it well enough to use it. As pistol grip stocks go, it's significantly better than most I've seen.

I still don't particularly care for pistol grip stocks on shotguns because it tends to load recoil in the hand...but if somebody likes a pistol grip stock the Chisel is a very, very nice option.

[TCinVA]

I recently installed the Aridus follower and I’ve started having some malfunctions in dry fire with dummy rounds. Maybe 25% of the time when I practice emergency loads directly into the ejection port, the dummy shell ends up stuck in a diagonal downwards orientation when the bolt drops. The top of the front of the shell at the edge of the crimp is caught at the top edge of the mag tube where it meets the follower so the bolt can’t feed the round into the chamber. I have to push down on the back end of the shell while holding the bolt handle back so it doesn’t smash my thumb in order to free the front of the dummy shell to clear it. I haven’t taken the gun to the range since the change so I don’t know if it would happen in live fire yet. The Fiocchi dummy rounds are a tiny bit shorter than the live buckshot rounds so maybe it wouldn’t be an issue with the live rounds but I don’t remember this ever happening with the OEM follower. Has anyone seen anything similar happen before?

I will occasionally have that happen in dry practice ever since I started running the 1301. I've always chalked it up to the shortness of the dummy shells as I've never had it happen on a live shell. Some of it may also boil down to technique. When I do my reload I end up with my hand towards the back of the ejection port with my index finger right up by the bolt release. That tends to keep the shell fully on the lifter so it's not positioned where the top of the shell can hang on the top of the mag tube.

[TCinVA]

NDZ appears to make a follower that protrudes in the desirable manner?
I believe these (https://ndzperformance.com/benelli-m2-shotgun-parts-18469/) would be compatible?

If someone wants to test it out, feel free. But from a reliability perspective I've seen several other followers cause issues in the 1301. The Aridus is the only aftermarket option I put in my guns and that because I actually discussed the issues I've seen with non-factory followers at length with Adam and he went through several revisions to get the geometry right so it wouldn't hang in the transition of a magazine tube extension or back out into the action and shut the gun down.

[GJM]

Sounds like there are a number of cons to this stock, what are the pro's? Based on past experience with similar stocks on other rifles and shotguns, they aren't much fun with heavy loads.

[WobblyPossum]

I will occasionally have that happen in dry practice ever since I started running the 1301. I've always chalked it up to the shortness of the dummy shells as I've never had it happen on a live shell. Some of it may also boil down to technique. When I do my reload I end up with my hand towards the back of the ejection port with my index finger right up by the bolt release. That tends to keep the shell fully on the lifter so it's not positioned where the top of the shell can hang on the top of the mag tube.

Interesting. I need to get to the range and give it a go with live ammunition. If it doesn’t happen with live rounds I’ll chalk it up to the shorter dummy shells. I’ll pay more attention to how my hand is oriented during an emergency reload as well. If I can’t make it work, I’ll just drill a hole in the OEM follower.

[Pnut]

Found this on YouTube!!!

https://youtu.be/3nxPe8iMW38?si=-TIp8TKbyxe35oJH

Gives a lot of insight into the new parts from Aridus and the new features of the g2 1301.

It looks like the mag tube is the same as previous 7 round 1301s but the polymer tube cover is 2 pieces. Hard to tell, but it looks like the heat shield mounts directly to the barrel.

[ricky_bobby]

Great, just great Adam

Now I'm going to have to buy a new SGA stock adapter because he updated it to finally fill the half moon cutout of the SGA stock, and he also updated the ZKuhov adapter forend to allow the full M-Lok slot use (I'm assuming with that, I can now use a simple Magpul M-Lok QD cup with screws ground flush on the forend, which is what I've wanted to do all this time as I don't use it on the barrel clamp

I know mine is a lowly gen 1 but adding the Pro Lifter recently and already having the Gen1 latch and shroud and Nordic 1301 Extension kit I may as well keep updating to the newest version, not like 1301T prices are coming back down to the $650 range when I snagged the Arms Unlimited deal around 2018? Before the Gen2 came out

Just take alllll my money, I guess I could sell the SGA stock adapter and first gen Zkuhov handguard affordably (and waiting for him to confirm the new handguards work on all 1301T's which I assume they do)

[GearFondler]

Great, just great Adam

Now I'm going to have to buy a new SGA stock adapter because he updated it to finally fill the half moon cutout of the SGA stock, and he also updated the ZKuhov adapter forend to allow the full M-Lok slot use (I'm assuming with that, I can now use a simple Magpul M-Lok QD cup with screws ground flush on the forend, which is what I've wanted to do all this time as I don't use it on the barrel clamp

I know mine is a lowly gen 1 but adding the Pro Lifter recently and already having the Gen1 latch and shroud and Nordic 1301 Extension kit I may as well keep updating to the newest version, not like 1301T prices are coming back down to the $650 range when I snagged the Arms Unlimited deal around 2018? Before the Gen2 came out

Just take alllll my money, I guess I could sell the SGA stock adapter and first gen Zkuhov handguard affordably (and waiting for him to confirm the new handguards work on all 1301T's which I assume they do)Have some patience before you do anything... I asked him on FB about the possibility of releasing just an update kit for the Zhukov forend and he implied that it should be an option.

[ricky_bobby]

^^Absolutely will! I'm confident he'll have the updated hardware available for those of us who want to retrofit our existing Zhukov setup - I don't mind buying a new SGA adapter from him since its been improved over the years with an internal buffer and now closing off the half moon on the stock (which is cosmetic I know but the new version will look more finished)

[destruya]

Thankfully, those of us with the Briley handguard already kinda-sorta have a heatshield insofar as the rail segment extends high enough to give you purchase away from the barrel. :cool:

[shortstack]

Tim nailed it with the industrial/economic situation in Europe for the price increase. Energy prices in Europe have gone through the roof, and that issue compounds at every level of supply chain for raw material, vendor operations, shipping, etc. Inflation of the Euro vs USD has actually blunted that edge a bit, but there's no avoiding it's impact.

The new features added were to continue to improve the platform in a way that tracks with that price increase so the value of the product for the consumer stays in line with the cost. The last thing we or any company wants to do is just pass along an inflationary markup to our customers if we can help it.

The new 1301 forend kits are being targeted to be available on the market before the end of Q1. The trigger groups will be at least a year if not more since thats a bottleneck item.

The Mod. 2 stock is the same as the original 5 shot tube 1301 (which are gen 1 kickoff compatible). When the first 7rd tube 922r approved 1301 came out a couple years back we had to use one of our US made, and non-kickoff compatible, stocks to meet the domestic parts count. That new forend is US made, so we were able to revert to the original stock. Practically speaking, that original stock is actually better due to the LOP, texture, and grip angle; not the kickoff compatibility (but that's harder to explain to the mass market).


Long time listener, first time caller.

Ben_G - thanks for this insight. Appreciate your input on this thread + YT.

Could you expand a little bit on what makes the V1/Mod2 stock "better" than the V2 from a LOP/texture/angle POV?

Thanks

[destruya]

Okay, so THIS is goddamned insane: https://www.ebay.com/itm/116044583246

As is this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/196195628194

[Pnut]

And they’re both SOLD!?!? I picked up mine directly from Beretta for about $60 a few years ago!!! They have them listed on their site for $69 but currently out of stock.

[Navin Johnson]

Why would anyone buy anything important on EBay?

[LHS]

I've been running the new Aridus stock adapter for a year or so now, with no complaints. I'm really jonesing for that heat shield. I've not been a huge fan of the Zhukov forend setup simply because the forend is so slick and I'm too lazy to stipple it myself, and with the a300 handguard compatible with the 1301 with an adapter, I haven't had to. But Adam's doing some pretty awesome stuff that might make me give the whole Zhukov setup another try.

[WobblyPossum]

Will the Aridus heat shield work with the original OEM hand guard?

[GearFondler]

Will the Aridus heat shield work with the original OEM hand guard?How good are you with a Dremel?

[ricky_bobby]

Holy crap I'm glad I bought the Pro-Lifter in the late summer/fall from Beretta for $69 when it was available

[WobblyPossum]

How good are you with a Dremel?

I own a dremel. What is it they say about owning a guitar and being a guitarist?

[GearFondler]

I own a dremel. What is it they say about owning a guitar and being a guitarist?Something about 10,000 hours in Carnegie Hall?

[Whiskey]

Holy crap I'm glad I bought the Pro-Lifter in the late summer/fall from Beretta for $69 when it was available

I just got super lucky and snagged on on ARFCOM last week. Didn't overpay, so I'm really interested to see if this fixes pretty much my only complaint with the 1301.

[ricky_bobby]

It was worth every penny for me - easy install, makes loading super smooth with it being out of the way - I love it I'm sure you will love it too -

[Pnut]

I’m curious how long they’ll be out of stock on the lifters. Since they are included with the G2’s I’m thinking it might be a while before they’ll have excess to sell.

And I know good things come to those who wait, but any idea when the new Aridus forends will be available?!?

[mmc45414]

So, I didn't think I wanted to pro lifter, but after playing around twin loading a Mossberg 590 I have changed my mind. But I want it for three gun, and I have a 1301 Comp, and it is a 3.5" frame (3" chamber) so I need the longer one. Should hypothetically be easier to get, and not in competition with the G2 for parts. Oh well, I did the Notify Me, and it is no rush.

[Toonces]

From the Shot 2024 thread:


...Personally I don't have much of a fondness for the pro lifter....
LHS, would you be able to expand on that comment? I have a Comp and a Comp Pro, and I would rather load the Comp Pro with the Pro lifter. After 35 years with various pumps and autos, the Comp Pro is the first shotgun besides my O/U that I want to go out and shoot for fun. My wife, who HATES what she perceives as complexity in any aspect of shooting, prefers loading the Comp Pro.

I've been considering adding a Pro lifter to my current Comp, but if there are issues with the part that I haven't experienced yet, I'd like to know about them. Thank you.

[draftpick]

the a300 handguard compatible with the 1301 with an adapter, I haven't had to.

Maybe I missed it in another post when is the a300 to 1301 adapter going to be available?

[draftpick]

Ia300 handguard compatible with the 1301 with an adapter, .

When Is the adapter going to be available?

[Dr_Nimslow]

I joined the 1301T club this week, a MOD 2 followed me home.

I already had an SGA in the parts bin I took off my 590A1, so I picked up an adaptor, and a Zukhov hand guard kit.

After playing with that setup, I think I may end up going back to the factory furniture. Or at least the factory stock. The SGA adds enough weight, it changes the feel of the gun. I'll need some range time to figure it out I guess. I really like the factory hand guard, but even with the m-lok slots, it's lacking enough room for a light and sling mount.

[Cory]

I joined the 1301T club this week, a MOD 2 followed me home.

I already had an SGA in the parts bin I took off my 590A1, so I picked up an adaptor, and a Zukhov hand guard kit.

After playing with that setup, I think I may end up going back to the factory furniture. Or at least the factory stock. The SGA adds enough weight, it changes the feel of the gun. I'll need some range time to figure it out I guess. I really like the factory hand guard, but even with the m-lok slots, it's lacking enough room for a light and sling mount.

Hell yeah, dude! It's a great shotgun.

I have the magpul with Aridus adapter. For me, the wrist angle works better for me. I never really noticed the rear weight, or thought about it. The damn thing just fits me.

[Pnut]

I joined the 1301T club this week, a MOD 2 followed me home.

I already had an SGA in the parts bin I took off my 590A1, so I picked up an adaptor, and a Zukhov hand guard kit.

After playing with that setup, I think I may end up going back to the factory furniture. Or at least the factory stock. The SGA adds enough weight, it changes the feel of the gun. I'll need some range time to figure it out I guess. I really like the factory hand guard, but even with the m-lok slots, it's lacking enough room for a light and sling mount.

Can you post some pics of the 2-piece mag tube cover! Just curious on how it works.

[Dr_Nimslow]

Can you post some pics of the 2-piece mag tube cover! Just curious on how it works.


At first look, it's kind of a PITA. The top is the threaded part, it interfaces with the bottom, via the pins. You have to hold them together until its threaded down towards he bottom.


https://i.imgur.com/d9NLKKb.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/JzoYWGE.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/xCpBMo6.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/KpNmTTj.jpg

[Pnut]

Thanks for the pics! So I guess the relieved section it Beretta’s fix for the dreaded clamp movement.

I don’t know if your gun has this problem, but if you remove the mag tube spring retainer (the black plastic plug) you might be able to reliably load 7 rounds… but dealing with the 2 pieces and the loose spring might be a little more difficult.

[mmc45414]

Thanks for the pics! So I guess the relieved section it Beretta’s fix for the dreaded clamp movement.
Many other makers, Nordic for one, have a similar relieved section. In this case doing the two pieces might make for some flexibility of using shorter or longer mag tubes or extensions. A friend has the long mag tube on his 1301T and wants/needs a few more rounds for three gun (8+1 is division capacity for TacOps) and this is simple with the short tube, not so simple for the long tube, but the long tube is a superior concept (IMO having an intersection in the mag tube only makes sense because that is the way it has always been).


but dealing with the 2 pieces and the loose spring might be a little more difficult.
One day (at band camp...) I was trying to wrestle a spring back into a Nordic tube when I noticed the hole in the end of the tube. Not sure why it is there (drain water?), but I grabbed an old cleaning rod and dropped it down through the hole and through the spring and bada-bing, you could do it with one hand with your eyes closed. Would be simple and easy to drill a little hole in the plastic cap.

[ricky_bobby]

I joined the 1301T club this week, a MOD 2 followed me home.

I already had an SGA in the parts bin I took off my 590A1, so I picked up an adaptor, and a Zukhov hand guard kit.

After playing with that setup, I think I may end up going back to the factory furniture. Or at least the factory stock. The SGA adds enough weight, it changes the feel of the gun. I'll need some range time to figure it out I guess. I really like the factory hand guard, but even with the m-lok slots, it's lacking enough room for a light and sling mount.


Personally - I like a bit of weight on the stock, it helps balance the already light 1301T - its actually the SGA pad thats too squishy for me - I prefer a thinner pad and actually put a harder but thinner pad from the X22 Hunter stock to make it more maneuverable, stick less to the shoulder, and shave some length off to make it even better for CQB uses

[mmc45414]

Personally - I like a bit of weight on the stock, it helps balance the already light 1301T - its actually the SGA pad thats too squishy for me - I prefer a thinner pad and actually put a harder but thinner pad from the X22 Hunter stock to make it more maneuverable, stick less to the shoulder, and shave some length off to make it even better for CQB uses

I agree, was it ever figured out if they will or will not sell them without a hassle? My reading was that they would or wouldn't depending on when you called and who answered the phone.
If they are simple/cheap to buy I would like a couple.

[Dr_Nimslow]

Thanks for the pics! So I guess the relieved section it Beretta’s fix for the dreaded clamp movement.

I don’t know if your gun has this problem, but if you remove the mag tube spring retainer (the black plastic plug) you might be able to reliably load 7 rounds… but dealing with the 2 pieces and the loose spring might be a little more difficult.

I'm glad you mentioned that, I don't recall ever hearing they wouldn't take 7 rounds. I went and checked, and my gun wouldn't take the full 7 in the magazine, until I removed the spring retainer. Kind of sucks for cleaning it, but I'll work around it for the full mag capacity.

[ricky_bobby]

I agree, was it ever figured out if they will or will not sell them without a hassle? My reading was that they would or wouldn't depending on when you called and who answered the phone.
If they are simple/cheap to buy I would like a couple.

Honestly Magpul has been nothing but nice to me in the multiple times I've called for spare parts, they shipped me the silicone pads for the 870/500 barrel clamp without charge when I called one time - when I called about the stock pads for the X22 they gave me a price and sent it and didn't ask questions - I just said I have 2 of these stocks (I have another SGA on a 590) and the pads are getting pretty beat up from use and storage and wanted to purchase a set of new ones

I think they were $12 plus shipping when I purchased them - worth a call, I've never had a bad experience with Magpul CS - like I said yes the pad is harder but I'll take a little more shoulder bruising for a more compact setup - all my wood stocked 12ga's have low profile limbsavers (5/8" thick) and thats about as thick as I like them to not get hung up etc-

[ricky_bobby]

I'm glad you mentioned that, I don't recall ever hearing they wouldn't take 7 rounds. I went and checked, and my gun wouldn't take the full 7 in the magazine, until I removed the spring retainer. Kind of sucks for cleaning it, but I'll work around it for the full mag capacity.

Honestly I don't mind removing the spring retainer and did it to all my 12ga that have them - easier to clean the mag tube out periodically when you are taking the gun down anyway-

[mmc45414]

Honestly Magpul has been nothing but nice to me in the multiple times I've called for spare parts, they shipped me the silicone pads for the 870/500 barrel clamp without charge when I called one time - when I called about the stock pads for the X22 they gave me a price and sent it and didn't ask questions - I just said I have 2 of these stocks (I have another SGA on a 590) and the pads are getting pretty beat up from use and storage and wanted to purchase a set of new ones

I think they were $12 plus shipping when I purchased them - worth a call, I've never had a bad experience with Magpul CS - like I said yes the pad is harder but I'll take a little more shoulder bruising for a more compact setup - all my wood stocked 12ga's have low profile limbsavers (5/8" thick) and thats about as thick as I like them to not get hung up etc-

Thanks, good to know. The first place I heard about it was probably on YT and the poster said they went through some hoops, glad that might be old/faulty information. I just bought back into the 590 idea and I think if it just that much shorter it will be good, and smoother/slicker is also a good thing.

[ricky_bobby]

Yeah I stumbled upon the idea from the YT video a few years back - my opinion was at the time it was probably thick into the first waves of Wuhan Virus years and everyone was scrambling for parts etc so there was probably not much spare parts inventory (even though I think I called around 2021 or maybe early 2022 for mine and had no issues)

Its a firm rubber of some sort, not squishy at all, but its not hard polymer - but best part is it takes a good 5/8" off the LOP and doesnt stick to anything

[ricky_bobby]

Thanks, good to know. The first place I heard about it was probably on YT and the poster said they went through some hoops, glad that might be old/faulty information. I just bought back into the 590 idea and I think if it just that much shorter it will be good, and smoother/slicker is also a good thing.

Actually - Magpul has no problem at all selling them they are now listed on the website :)

https://magpul.com/hunter-x-22-rubber-butt-pad.html?mp_global_color=118

[mmc45414]

Actually - Magpul has no problem at all selling them they are now listed on the website :)

https://magpul.com/hunter-x-22-rubber-butt-pad.html?mp_global_color=118

Sweet!! Thank You!!

[destruya]

New Version Aridus Stock Adapter is live and in stock: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

[Pnut]

New Version Aridus Stock Adapter is live and in stock: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

Now I’m just patiently waiting for the new forend!

[Centerfire]

New Version Aridus Stock Adapter is live and in stock: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

Somehow more expensive than when it was billet. 50% more expensive than GGG.

[LHS]

Somehow more expensive than when it was billet. 50% more expensive than GGG.

Also lighter, and includes the buffer. Plus, R&D costs money.

FWIW I've been running one of the prototypes for the last year and it's been quite nice, fills all the little gaps and makes a more seamless transition between receiver and stock.

[Paul Blackburn]

I wonder why the spring tension in the buffer is so much lighter than the OEM?

[ricky_bobby]

Well I'll get a next get SGA adapter (the trigger guard gap always bothered me), an SMRT follower, and updated Zhukov hardware when available for sure - I appreciate supporting Adam's efforts and seeing Aridus grow and improve -

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Well I'll get a next get SGA adapter (the trigger guard gap always bothered me), an SMRT follower, and updated Zhukov hardware when available for sure - I appreciate supporting Adam's efforts and seeing Aridus grow and improve -

the “ I appreciate supporting Adam's efforts and seeing Aridus grow and improve “ are where I’m at/have been since my 1st 1301 in 2016.

[ricky_bobby]

Well I finally have narrowed down to 2 optics for an RMR CROM after all these years -

-HE507 (green multi reticle)
-HE508T (green multi reticle)

On paper, the HE508T is 'more robust' with the Titanium housing, although the HE507 is 7075 so plenty robust - is that about the only difference with both? About a $60 price delta in list price between the 507 to 508 series

Thoughts? Multi reticle is preferred for me and my eyes with slight astigmatism need non-red, for whatever reason, red bursts but green really doesn't (I sold all my red dots for green and HE512C in gold for my AR's) - I also like 1X Microprisms but not a good way to use with CROM

[destruya]

So I contacted Beretta Spare Parts directly about possibly acquiring a barrel for my 1301T that could be threaded for a choke or suppressor...

...and they linked me to Midwest Gun Works, which has been OOS on 1301T barrels pretty much since I learned I had a fixed IC "LE" model. :p

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[Centerfire]

Well I finally have narrowed down to 2 optics for an RMR CROM after all these years -

-HE507 (green multi reticle)
-HE508T (green multi reticle)

On paper, the HE508T is 'more robust' with the Titanium housing, although the HE507 is 7075 so plenty robust - is that about the only difference with both? About a $60 price delta in list price between the 507 to 508 series

Thoughts? Multi reticle is preferred for me and my eyes with slight astigmatism need non-red, for whatever reason, red bursts but green really doesn't (I sold all my red dots for green and HE512C in gold for my AR's) - I also like 1X Microprisms but not a good way to use with CROM

I have a 508T. There is a significant feature you left off...it has no white lettering. Otherwise there isn't anything special about the 508T compared to the 507C, materials notwithstanding. I think the screws are probably the weakest link anyway.

[Ben_G]

So I contacted Beretta Spare Parts directly about possibly acquiring a barrel for my 1301T that could be threaded for a choke or suppressor...

...and they linked me to Midwest Gun Works, which has been OOS on 1301T barrels pretty much since I learned I had a fixed IC "LE" model. :p

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We're not likely to be getting those in any time soon. Barrels are serialized parts for the Italians, so it's a whole thing getting them in, and currently pretty much all our output is going into guns with the slimmest backstock currently being earmarked for emergency spares.

Certain LE dealers who are selling LE-only SKUs without checking LE creds or properly marking/informing customers are a MAJOR pain for the commercial side of the business, but as bad as I want to blackball them, our hands are tied for now.

Your best bet will be finding someone in the classifieds who wants to do a straight swap.

[destruya]

We're not likely to be getting those in any time soon. Barrels are serialized parts for the Italians, so it's a whole thing getting them in, and currently pretty much all our output is going into guns with the slimmest backstock currently being earmarked for emergency spares.

Certain LE dealers who are selling LE-only SKUs without checking LE creds or properly marking/informing customers are a MAJOR pain for the commercial side of the business, but as bad as I want to blackball them, our hands are tied for now.

Your best bet will be finding someone in the classifieds who wants to do a straight swap.

Well, thanks for the much more helpful answer. :)

I'd just -ideally - rather *not* send off my LE barrel for third-party threading over getting a new one.

[Ben_G]

Well, thanks for the much more helpful answer. :)

I'd just -ideally - rather *not* send off my LE barrel for third-party threading over getting a new one.

I wouldn't recommend 3rd party threading...

Like I said, finding someone with the commercial choked barrel who's interested in a swap will be the best bet. Enough folks actually prefer those since they're not going to change chokes or run cans, so it's one less component to fail, so if you set up a classifieds post on the right sites you should be able to work something out.

[ricky_bobby]

I have a 508T. There is a significant feature you left off...it has no white lettering. Otherwise there isn't anything special about the 508T compared to the 507C, materials notwithstanding. I think the screws are probably the weakest link anyway.

Yep I see that now - no white lettering - so its basically between 7075 housing with lettering and rounded hood, or a squared titanium housing and more stealth lettering - you can probably guess but I think I'll go with the 508T as well!

[destruya]

Yep I see that now - no white lettering - so its basically between 7075 housing with lettering and rounded hood, or a squared titanium housing and more stealth lettering - you can probably guess but I think I'll go with the 508T as well!

There are some pretty straightforward tutorials on YouTube on how to non-abrasively take the lettering off Holosun optics and give them all the Titanium look.

[UNK]

We're not likely to be getting those in any time soon. Barrels are serialized parts for the Italians, so it's a whole thing getting them in, and currently pretty much all our output is going into guns with the slimmest backstock currently being earmarked for emergency spares.

Certain LE dealers who are selling LE-only SKUs without checking LE creds or properly marking/informing customers are a MAJOR pain for the commercial side of the business, but as bad as I want to blackball them, our hands are tied for now.

Your best bet will be finding someone in the classifieds who wants to do a straight swap.

Why would you do that? Whats so special about a LE gun?

[Ben_G]

Why would you do that? Whats so special about a LE gun?

The following is general industry info, not information unique to Beretta.

SUKs sold under LE programs sometimes have a slightly different configuration, but also importantly have a different financial walk and no MAP enforcement. The intent is to make it as easy as possible for law enforcement and first responders to purchase for IOP or personal use. Commercial dealers have a totally different price structure and are required to follow MAP. When LE dealers go straight to non-credentialed commercial customers and blast that special pricing out on the internet, it messes up the whole market. Commercial dealers cannot compete with those prices (which pisses them off, and that's who all the manufacturers actually have as our initial customers), and the originating manufacturer cannot sustain what is supposed to be special limited-market pricing/margins exceeding it's ratio or shifting the whole consumer market.

Plus (like in this instance) you get customers unknowingly purchasing the LE configuration, which lacks certain features the commercial gun is advertised with, as there was no notation from the seller that the item being purchased was not in fact the standard model. There's no good path for correcting that configuration for the the customer with parts that we just don't have capacity to spare to rectify that decision by the retailer. Also, LE models don't need to conform to 922r, so there are instances when that opens up a potential legal issue for the consumers when they (once again, unknowingly) are buying what's supposed to only be sold under the blue line program.

[UNK]

The following is general industry info, not information unique to Beretta.

SUKs sold under LE programs sometimes have a slightly different configuration, but also importantly have a different financial walk and no MAP enforcement. The intent is to make it as easy as possible for law enforcement and first responders to purchase for IOP or personal use. Commercial dealers have a totally different price structure and are required to follow MAP. When LE dealers go straight to non-credentialed commercial customers and blast that special pricing out on the internet, it messes up the whole market. Commercial dealers cannot compete with those prices (which pisses them off, and that's who all the manufacturers actually have as our initial customers), and the originating manufacturer cannot sustain what is supposed to be special limited-market pricing/margins exceeding it's ratio or shifting the whole consumer market.

Plus (like in this instance) you get customers unknowingly purchasing the LE configuration, which lacks certain features the commercial gun is advertised with, as there was no notation from the seller that the item being purchased was not in fact the standard model. There's no good path for correcting that configuration for the the customer with parts that we just don't have capacity to spare to rectify that decision by the retailer. Also, LE models don't need to conform to 922r, so there are instances when that opens up a potential legal issue for the consumers when they (once again, unknowingly) are buying what's supposed to only be sold under the blue line program.

So theres a 1301 tactical still available to the civilian market and also one thats a LE only version. Ok I misunderstood what you were saying.
Thanks for the quick reply.

[Ben_G]

So theres a 1301 tactical still available to the civilian market and also one thats a LE only version. Ok I misunderstood what you were saying.
Thanks for the quick reply.

Yeah, the vast majority of 1301 are still commercial spec. That's not going away any time soon. LE spec (units for contract or blue label sales) 1301s are the ones not threaded for chokes.

[Pnut]

My Aridus next gen stock adapter just arrived! It’s replacing a GGG piece I bought a while back. Thought I’d share the differences between the two.

The Aridus part is made of a polymer where the GGG is metal… I think aluminum?!? The Aridus is has a thinner profile, .45” vs .70” for the GGG. The Aridus is noticeably lighter, but I didn’t bother to weigh them. One great feature of the Aridus is that it completely fills the gap on the under side of the grip.

Now I’m just patiently waiting for Aridus’ new hand guard to be available!

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[Pnut]

Btw, if anyone is in the market for my GGG adapter, pm me.

[Jay585]

Yeah, the vast majority of 1301 are still commercial spec. That's not going away any time soon. LE spec (units for contract or blue label sales) 1301s are the ones not threaded for chokes.

How can I identify if my 1301 is an LE model?

It is a Gen 1.5 (I think) and seems to have no chokes, or threading for it.

[Ben_G]

How can I identify if my 1301 is an LE model?

It is a Gen 1.5 (I think) and seems to have no chokes, or threading for it.

the SKU/ Jcode should have that on the box. They ten to have "LE" in the code, and the label is literally blue. If that's gone, you should be able to look up the SN.

[UNK]

Yeah, the vast majority of 1301 are still commercial spec. That's not going away any time soon. LE spec (units for contract or blue label sales) 1301s are the ones not threaded for chokes.

The civilian market will not be able to purchase a non choke version. Will that change in the future?
How does a person who purchased a le version know if they are 922r compliant?
Im surprised a non compliant 922r woukd be available for LE personal purchase. Are LE exempt from 922r for personaly owned weapons? What about the officer who retires or leaves LE?

[Ben_G]

The civilian market will not be able to purchase a non choke version. Will that change in the future?
How does a person who purchased a le version know if they are 922r compliant?
Im surprised a non compliant 922r woukd be available for LE personal purchase. Are LE exempt from 922r for personaly owned weapons? What about the officer who retires or leaves LE?

There are no current plans to further complicate the SKU proliferation of the 1301 that I'm aware of. It's of course possible the non-choke will be in line for commercial at some point in the future, but I have no information on if or when that'd be.

As for the 922r stuff, as I noted, that was general industry commentary on one of several reasons why LE SKUs going to anybody can be an issue. I'm not a lawyer, so I can't/won't evaluate different setups and their compliance, nor am I familiar with the underpinning mechanisms for LE 922r sales exemptions; I just know I've seen LE SKUs on the market from multiple MFGs that could not be done commercially due to 922r.

I'm not qualified enough in that area to become liable for telling someone how to evaluate the compliance of their personal gun for import restrictions. If you're concerned, speak to a lawyer or someone comfortable pretending to be one online. All I feel comfortable saying is that to the best of my understanding it "opens up a potential legal issue for ... consumers" . When I personally see a deal that I know is a steal and looks like a likely an LE config (extended mag tube when its not normally available, original euro spec stocks, etc), I pass on it because I don't want to open that can of worms, especially as a budding NFA enthusiast and a known person to .gov as being in the industry. I try to stay at least a zipcode away from anything even questionable.

[Pnut]

My 1301 is a LE model from a LE source. Mine came is a cardboard box and didn’t include a manual… only a card that referred me an online manual. My friend purchased a civilian version around the same time and his came with a hard case.

[mmc45414]

I'd just -ideally - rather *not* send off my LE barrel for third-party threading over getting a new one.

I wouldn't recommend 3rd party threading...
I could be wrong, but I think most people offering that service will not do it to a chrome lined barrel, and I believe our 1301s are?

[Ben_G]

I could be wrong, but I think most people offering that service will not do it to a chrome lined barrel, and I believe our 1301s are?

Correct and correct.

[kev8287]

I have a 1301 waiting to be picked up. I would prefer not to read almost 700 pages of this thread to find an answer to the question of whose extended magazine tube has the best reputation. I understand this is subjective and I am not trying to start drama. Thank you to all who choose to assist.

Kev

[AmericanIcon]

I have a 1301 waiting to be picked up. I would prefer not to read almost 700 pages of this thread to find an answer to the question of whose extended magazine tube has the best reputation. I understand this is subjective and I am not trying to start drama. Thank you to all who choose to assist.

Kev

As someone who's been hit with the "use our search engine" here before, I'm with you. The real question is which 1301 are you getting, is it an Italian model with the 5rd tube? I got a Nordic 1301 extension and I'd say lots of others would agree it's a solid option. (You can buy the 1301 kit with a clamp, QD and pic rail, or just the regular extension from them.)

However I believe the new ones come with a 7rd tube installed at the factory, you may be lucky.

[kev8287]

Mine is the 1301 comp. Sorry for the confusion. I did use the search feature, I have been told that before. I was wanting user input. Thank You for your help.

Kev

[Ben_G]

I have a 1301 waiting to be picked up. I would prefer not to read almost 700 pages of this thread to find an answer to the question of whose extended magazine tube has the best reputation. I understand this is subjective and I am not trying to start drama. Thank you to all who choose to assist.

Kev

Nordic.

[Centerfire]

I have a 1301 waiting to be picked up. I would prefer not to read almost 700 pages of this thread to find an answer to the question of whose extended magazine tube has the best reputation. I understand this is subjective and I am not trying to start drama. Thank you to all who choose to assist.

Kev

You might want to specify which Comp and how you plan to use it. I'm inclined to look at European vendors.

[GJM]

Are the latest variant, believe it is a Mod 2, out in the wild yet and available for purchase?

[kev8287]

You might want to specify which Comp and how you plan to use it. I'm inclined to look at European vendors.

It has a 21 inch vent ribbed barrel. Defensive/varmit control on property. While the extended tube might not be needed, I want to look at the options.

[Maca]

Are the latest variant, believe it is a Mod 2, out in the wild yet and available for purchase?

Yes, mine arrives at the dealer early next week.

[Maca]

Are the latest variant, believe it is a Mod 2, out in the wild yet and available for purchase?

Given your extensive experience with carrying a shotgun in the field, what’s your preferred optic?

i am considering either a T2 or the new enclosed RMR.

Thanks for any guidance.

[GJM]

Given your extensive experience with carrying a shotgun in the field, what’s your preferred optic?

i am considering either a T2 or the new enclosed RMR.

Thanks for any guidance.

I have been running a T1/T2 on everything. When I did that, there weren't good alternatives, but I would consider other sealed emitters now.

[mmc45414]

whose extended magazine tube has the best reputation

Nordic.
Yup, Nordic is square one. The nice thing is that you can buy the nut and then whatever tube you want, collect the whole set!! :cool:
I also have the Comp.

[kev8287]

Yup, Nordic is square one. The nice thing is that you can buy the nut and then whatever tube you want, collect the whole set!! :cool:
I also have the Comp.

Awesome. Thank you.

If you don’t mind my asking which tube did you choose, and do you use a barrel clamp?

[Navin Johnson]

Awesome. Thank you.

If you don’t mind my asking which tube did you choose, and do you use a barrel clamp?

21” Comp +2 (7 total) Nordic no clamp

Quite nose heavy loaded compared to 5 round tube (changes balance. Felt more wing gun like stock)

Works great. If not running clamp hand check extension after every session

I believe Beretta used the Nordic for Popo guns when Tacs came from Italy with 5 round tubes

[mmc45414]

If you don’t mind my asking which tube did you choose, and do you use a barrel clamp?
They have a chart:
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They have one that just peeks out past a 21" Comp with an extended choke. I had one, but cannot find it and think I gave it to a friend. Or maybe I have soooo much crap I do have it... somewhere...
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Now I keep it setup for three gun with a goofy long thing on it (don't hate the playa...), but they are easy to switch. I find it helps to drop a 22 cleaning rod down through the hole in the cap and through the spring.

I do not use a clamp for many of the reasons mentioned here, mainly I had a problem kinking the transition area and stalling the follower, but also it is easier to swap the tubes. And we stand around more than we shoot, so it is easy to check.

ETA: I meant to mention Shooters Connection used to sell separate tubes without the cap and spring, making it easier, actually just cheaper, to have a couple variations, but it doesn't look like they list them anymore.
ETA: Looks like +3 is what you want for the 21" Comp:
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[Centerfire]

I have a Nordic on a 1301T. It's ok, I glued it together so the three pieces can't come apart. I'd prefer a single piece extension if I was doing it over. Lancer makes carbon fiber tubes for the Comp. https://lancer-systems.com/product/lsx-shotgun-extension-tubes/

[TCB]

It has a 21 inch vent ribbed barrel. Defensive/varmit control on property. While the extended tube might not be needed, I want to look at the options.

I have the same gun, I use the Nordic system. I have both +3 and a +4 tubes for it with a coupler and have not had any issues with them. The +3 sits just shy of flush with the barrel, the +4 it just a bit longer and coupleing them together gives me 12 in the tube for 3 gun stuff.

[kev8287]

I have the same gun, I use the Nordic system. I have both +3 and a +4 tubes for it with a coupler and have not had any issues with them. The +3 sits just shy of flush with the barrel, the +4 it just a bit longer and coupleing them together gives me 12 in the tube for 3 gun stuff.

Thank you. I’ll probably go with the +3.

[TCB]

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I misspoke. It’s just past flush with the +3…that’s what’s on it in the pic.

[kev8287]

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I misspoke. It’s just past flush with the +3…that’s what’s on it in the pic.

That’s fine.

[GearFondler]

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I misspoke. It’s just past flush with the +3…that’s what’s on it in the pic.Damn that looks tough with the vent rib!

[LHS]

Damn that looks tough with the vent rib!

Right?!? I so desperately want a 1301Tac with a vent rib bbl.

VENT RIB ALL THE THINGS

[ricky_bobby]

I have a Nordic on a 1301T. It's ok, I glued it together so the three pieces can't come apart. I'd prefer a single piece extension if I was doing it over. Lancer makes carbon fiber tubes for the Comp. https://lancer-systems.com/product/lsx-shotgun-extension-tubes/

I guess not a bad idea if glued together although I never had any issues with it coming apart - I install it like a Remington extension, magazine nut first, then the extension into it - I do use the barrel clamp on my Nordic kit for structural integrity only (same with my Remington) but I don't use the pic rail or QD (use the M-Lok on my Zhukov for that)

[GJM]

Right?!? I so desperately want a 1301Tac with a vent rib bbl.

VENT RIB ALL THE THINGS

Please elaborate on your thinking on this.

[mmc45414]

VENT RIB ALL THE THINGS
Jus gonna leave this here... :cool:

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[SeriousStudent]

Right?!? I so desperately want a 1301Tac with a vent rib bbl.

VENT RIB ALL THE THINGS

I am going to get my 1301 Comp with a rib cut down to 1301 TAC length. It's currently out on loan to a friend, but I plan on having that done this summer at the Beretta Gallery down the road.

[GJM]

I am going to get my 1301 Comp with a rib cut down to 1301 TAC length. It's currently out on loan to a friend, but I plan on having that done this summer at the Beretta Gallery down the road.

I thought Betetta said there was an issue with the Comp using a barrel that short?

[AmericanIcon]

Is there a point to a vented on a tactical shotgun other than for aesthetics?

I ask out of curiosity not criticism. I want an 18" vent rib 870 pump myself. However, I am more than content with my 1301 with an RMR, and my A300 Ultima is perfect for clays. I don't see a reason to interchange the two. Would this be for competition use?

[Cory]

Vent ribs are easier to naturally line up once you get some time with them. At least the longer barreled stuff I've shot can be. They offer a straight line to look down which can make it easier to line up fast because while the gun is still in your peripheral vision you have a rough reference of where you're pointing. A vent rib with a decent front bead and mid bead can be a ton of fun when you get used to it, and pretty fast to point. There is also a less "busy" sight picture. It's point and pull. Of course, that's more a function of the bead sights than the rib itself. Some people like them to prevent heat mirage, but I haven't had much of that as an issue with non-vent rib so I don't know. High round count trap shooters probably have that.

There are of course down sides. You can't costa-clamp a vent rib, you'll block your sights. They're a bigger pain in the ass to clean, but not bad.

I'd be curious to hear Matt or Tim's thoughts.

[SeriousStudent]

I thought Betetta said there was an issue with the Comp using a barrel that short?

I have talked with Darryl a couple of times, along with the shotgun mechanic guy at the Beretta Gallery told us as long as we stuck to about 20 inches, we should be good.

The model I have is a 24". I was going to have them lop off about 4 inches, like he and Melanie did with their A400's.

I'm definitely not planning to take them to 18", that is likely not enough dwell time for the gas system. But hacking off the last two ribs would make them quite a bit handier.

If I'm wrong, I have just screwed up a $700 barrel - sigh.

[SeriousStudent]

.....snip

There are of course down sides. You can't costa-clamp a vent rib, you'll block your sights. They're a bigger pain in the ass to clean, but not bad.

snip .....

All my Beretta social shotguns have Aimpoint Micro's on them, and I can just get one of me wee stubby digits over the rib and still see my dot. :)

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Some people like them to prevent heat mirage, but I haven't had much of that as an issue with non-vent rib so I don't know. High round count trap shooters probably have that.
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Standing in the sun shooting during summer youre going to get hella mirage. Rib or not. A soaking wet towel with a belt loop on one end and wipe the barrel down after every shot. On an 1100 Im sure of it other guns I dont know.

[Cory]

Standing in the sun shooting during summer youre going to get hella mirage. Rib or not. A soaking wet towel with a belt loop on one end and wipe the barrel down after every shot. On an 1100 Im sure of it other guns I dont know.

Weird. I live in FL, and I've shot a fair share of clays and not really had a mirage issue. I guess most of the shooting has been under a cover. When I lived in NYS as a kid I shot a lot of shotguns, but mostly in the woods. Even when we were shooting in a field in open sun, I never really had a problem with mirage. Or at least, I never noticed it.

[mmc45414]

I thought Beretta said there was an issue with the Comp using a barrel that short?
I know Vang advises against the ports on autos.

[Maca]

Picking up a 1301 this weekend.

Pros and cons of each, T2 or RMR?

Thanks.

[dontshakepandas]

Picking up a 1301 this weekend.

Pros and cons of each, T2 or RMR?

Thanks.

I actually went with an Aimpoint Acro P2 and think it has advantages over the T2 or RMR for this application.

It is roughly the same size as an RMR, but is a closed emitter which I prefer in general, but especially for long guns. It also uses a cross bar clamp instead of tiny screws to mount so less change of screws breaking, and when compared to the T2 you have the ability to visually check the screw to confirm it isn't backing out.

[SeriousStudent]

I actually went with an Aimpoint Acro P2 and think it has advantages over the T2 or RMR for this application.

It is roughly the same size as an RMR, but is a closed emitter which I prefer in general, but especially for long guns. It also uses a cross bar clamp instead of tiny screws to mount so less change of screws breaking, and when compared to the T2 you have the ability to visually check the screw to confirm it isn't backing out.

I have a Mossberg 590A1 SBS that is getting an ACRP P2 for exactly then reason, then a Benelli M2 SBS.

I wanted a light but very rugged RDO on the Benelli, and am planning on shooting the heck out of it in shotgun classes this year.

[LHS]

Please elaborate on your thinking on this.

My eye just seems to naturally line up with the rib in a way it doesn't quite do with a plain barrel. Not everyone's works that way, but mine apparently does.

I also find them just old-school cool aesthetically.

[Jay585]

LE Trade in 1301 for $999

Gen 1 I think

https://gunprime.com/products/police-trade-beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-semi-auto-18-le-trade-j131t18c?gd

[Centerfire]

$1327 when you add to cart.

https://www.bauer-precision.com/beretta-1301-competition-pro-12-ga-21-barrel/

[Cory]

LE Trade in 1301 for $999

Gen 1 I think

https://gunprime.com/products/police-trade-beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-semi-auto-18-le-trade-j131t18c?gd

That is an ABSOLUTE STEAL. It's a choke model too. Only downside is the gen 1 bolt release. That needs an aridus upgrade.

It's basically the shotgun I own aside from the bolt release, and I paid more than that when I bought it years ago.

[TCinVA]

Vent ribs are easier to naturally line up once you get some time with them. At least the longer barreled stuff I've shot can be. They offer a straight line to look down which can make it easier to line up fast because while the gun is still in your peripheral vision you have a rough reference of where you're pointing. A vent rib with a decent front bead and mid bead can be a ton of fun when you get used to it, and pretty fast to point. There is also a less "busy" sight picture. It's point and pull. Of course, that's more a function of the bead sights than the rib itself. Some people like them to prevent heat mirage, but I haven't had much of that as an issue with non-vent rib so I don't know. High round count trap shooters probably have that.

There are of course down sides. You can't costa-clamp a vent rib, you'll block your sights. They're a bigger pain in the ass to clean, but not bad.

I'd be curious to hear Matt or Tim's thoughts.

I can use a vent rib.

I don't prefer them on a defensive gun because it still gives you less feedback on your alignment on the target than a good set of rifle or ghost ring sights.

In a circumstance where I'm firing a 36" cloud of shot at a 4 ounce bird 30 yards away, a little misalignment behind the gun due to a bad mount isn't going to make a lot of difference. In self defense we're not shooting at dude, we're shooting at small vital structures buried deep inside of dude. The nature of the shotgun being what it is, should we be a little bit off it's unlikely the other guy is going to nanny-nanny-boo-boo about it. Even so driving the fight stopping power in our hands exactly where it does the most good is a pretty good idea when we're looking to stop a threat.

A bead on a raised vented rib is vastly preferable to a pedestal bead or a bead-on-barrel. And the double bead isn't bad, either.

But no bead sight is going to be as good at doing what we're trying to do with a defensive shotgun as a proper set of sights.

A skilled hand with a shotgun can use a bead sight to a high level for sure. Because ultimately the thing on top of the gun doesn't shoot the gun. Skill on the actual controls of the gun pay off regardless of the sighting system.

But....and this is a big ol' hanging off both sides of the fatty scooter sized but...we don't even mount a defensive shotgun the same way that most people mount a bird gun. If I showed up to train with a sporting clays instructor with my teaching 870 and I adopted the stance and mount I want to use for defensive application he'd probably have a stroke. I'm mounting the gun inboard on my pec, not out toward my shoulder pocket if I can help it. I'm square to my target. These things are going to be suboptimal for following a fast moving aerial target across a wide section of sky and he will immediately start trying to "fix" that.

In self defense I'm swinging the gun a lot less of a distance at targets that are typically much closer and moving much more slowly. But I'm shooting a payload with real recoil. I'm shooting slugs or buckshot. I'm shooting a single projectile or ideally a pattern that is no bigger than the span of my hand, and I'm trying to land it centered on about a 3" circle on the other dude's anatomy.

Take a look at this picture:

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I see this all the time. Most people will look at that and say it looks pretty close to right.

I'd ask that you look at it more closely and think about this: How much of him is behind the gun, and how much of him is beside it? Do you really have optimal control if you're basically standing beside the gun?

Look at how Kim Rhode mounts a shotgun:

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Note that she's running that gun a lot more inboard than the proverbial "pocket"...but also note how stretched out she is on the gun. Her support hand is barely in front of the hinge of her break-action Beretta. Notice that her head isn't cocked to the side down on the gun, her head is erect.

How exactly has a 5'4" female sustained decades of shooting 12 gauge? How she mounts the gun is a clue. The equal and opposite reaction is loaded into the majority of her body weight, not just her shoulder joint. Her mount and stance are significantly different than most male clays shooters. If you look at pictures of Ben Husthwaite or George Digweed mounting a shotgun they tend to have a more bladed stance than Kim does. George tends to be closer to the "beside the gun" method, Ben tends to be about halfway between Kim and George in how much of him is behind the gun.

It's worth noting that both of those men have a lot more mass going for them than Kim does.

All of those names have spent countless hours mounting a shotgun, usually a shotgun carefully tailored to fit them so that it ensures the mount that is crucial to their success on the range.

I can't really say the same about your typical person who is reaching for a defensive shotgun. Hell, I can't even say that about myself.

My mount is pretty good most of the time. When I'm standing on two feet. On the range. With my wits about me and a full understanding of what's going on. And I'm deciding to initiate the shooting process. I can set up in a real low ready (meaning the gun pointed at the ground YARDS in front of the target) and fire a hit in under 1/2 a second. Close to 1/3 of a second if I'm really on that day. That's pretty good.

But when it's early may, colder than usual, raining to beat the band and Pat Goodale is making you shoot slugs around an awkward barricade that you're having to twist your fat ass into a pretzel and be leaned way the hell over so you can fire a slug at 50...well...I'm not making that .33 mount to shot anymore. Once I ended up in an awkward position my mount ended up being lower than usual. It wasn't off by a lot, but enough that I would have missed entirely at that distance given how much of the target I could see downrange from this awkward position. I couldn't get my front sight into the rear notch and that was the clue that I needed to readjust.

Would a second bead on a vent rib have told me that? Maybe. What I can tell you is that with a red dot or a good set of ghost rings/rifle sights the feedback is instantaneous and unmistakable. When you have a lot of other things to think about they provide a very clear and direct "YES" or "NO" signal. The benefit of that is sometimes difficult to see when you're standing on two feet in your most comfortable shooting position. But even the clients who are extremely skilled with a bead find themselves wanting something better the instant I make them shoot from the other shoulder. (Because the real world has corners that open to the left AND the right)

A double-beaded vent rib will certainly be helpful in that endeavor...but if I'm going to the extent of getting a front bead up higher and then installing a rear bead so I have some sort of reference at the rear to tell me if I'm actually looking down the rib straight...well...why not just go with rifle sights or a ghost ring at that point?

I'm not saying that the vent rib double bead is bad. You can certainly use it, especially if you actually train on it. But if I have the choice between that or something with real sights I'm going to pick real sights every time because they just do everything I'm looking to do better. I can use rifle sights like a bead, but I can't use beads like rifle sights nearly as easily.

I think a lot of people misunderstand what I'm doing with rifle sights or ghost rings on a shotgun. They think I'm looking at the sights, when in reality I'm usually looking through them. If you get your mount right you're getting exactly what Jeff Cooper described as a "flash sight picture" and breaking the shot.If you get the mount wrong, you see the incorrect shape in the sights, fix it at speed, and then break the shot. If my mount is right and I'm shooting buckshot at close range I see the gross shape of the sights in an alignment that isn't perfect, but is "good enough".

"Good enough" defined as the front sight might be 2/3rds out of the rear notch, but at 13 yards if I just drive that front sight to armpit level I'm still going to get a solid hit. If it's low in the front sight notch if I just drive the sight to armpit level, I'm still going to get a good hit. If the sight is beside the notch or not visible in it, I've probably got my push/pull out of sequence. Etc. I can see this in hundredths of a second, correct it in tenths.

My focus is on the target unless I'm shooting a slug for precision at distance.

This is exactly what somebody who is using a vent ribbed bead would be doing...only my rifle sights provide me a lot more reliable and instantly comprehensible feedback on alignment when I need them to than their bead does. Especially if I make them grab and mount the gun in uncomfortable positions or awkward circumstances.

...circumstances that are much closer to resembling what you might be doing if you are responding to an armed home invasion than setting up on a sporting clays range.

So it's not that the vented rib double bead can't be used to a high level in defensive use, because it can. It's not even that I can't use such an arrangement to get acceptable results, because I can. It's that system is inherently limited when it comes to doing lower percentage but still realistic things with the gun while providing no real benefit in the fast and close stuff over irons.

Vented ribs look sexy as hell, without question. But I just don't want to be stuck fighting with one if I can help it.

[shootist26]

I'm really liking my TacOrd charging handle. I wanted a handle that did NOT have a lot of complex knurling design (like the Sure Cycle frag charging handle, or GG&G handle).

Feels rock solid and well sized for running the action both weak hand and strong hand. It is grippy but not so much that it chews up your fingers. They are in Canada but will ship to the US if you email them

https://tacord.com/product/tacord-beretta-1301-charging-handle/

[Cory]

I can use a vent rib.

I don't prefer them on a defensive gun because it still gives you less feedback on your alignment on the target than a good set of rifle or ghost ring sights.

In a circumstance where I'm firing a 36" cloud of shot at a 4 ounce bird 30 yards away, a little misalignment behind the gun due to a bad mount isn't going to make a lot of difference. In self defense we're not shooting at dude, we're shooting at small vital structures buried deep inside of dude. The nature of the shotgun being what it is, should we be a little bit off it's unlikely the other guy is going to nanny-nanny-boo-boo about it. Even so driving the fight stopping power in our hands exactly where it does the most good is a pretty good idea when we're looking to stop a threat.

A bead on a raised vented rib is vastly preferable to a pedestal bead or a bead-on-barrel. And the double bead isn't bad, either.

But no bead sight is going to be as good at doing what we're trying to do with a defensive shotgun as a proper set of sights.

A skilled hand with a shotgun can use a bead sight to a high level for sure. Because ultimately the thing on top of the gun doesn't shoot the gun. Skill on the actual controls of the gun pay off regardless of the sighting system.

But....and this is a big ol' hanging off both sides of the fatty scooter sized but...we don't even mount a defensive shotgun the same way that most people mount a bird gun. If I showed up to train with a sporting clays instructor with my teaching 870 and I adopted the stance and mount I want to use for defensive application he'd probably have a stroke. I'm mounting the gun inboard on my pec, not out toward my shoulder pocket if I can help it. I'm square to my target. These things are going to be suboptimal for following a fast moving aerial target across a wide section of sky and he will immediately start trying to "fix" that.

In self defense I'm swinging the gun a lot less of a distance at targets that are typically much closer and moving much more slowly. But I'm shooting a payload with real recoil. I'm shooting slugs or buckshot. I'm shooting a single projectile or ideally a pattern that is no bigger than the span of my hand, and I'm trying to land it centered on about a 3" circle on the other dude's anatomy.

Take a look at this picture:

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I see this all the time. Most people will look at that and say it looks pretty close to right.

I'd ask that you look at it more closely and think about this: How much of him is behind the gun, and how much of him is beside it? Do you really have optimal control if you're basically standing beside the gun?

Look at how Kim Rhode mounts a shotgun:

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Note that she's running that gun a lot more inboard than the proverbial "pocket"...but also note how stretched out she is on the gun. Her support hand is barely in front of the hinge of her break-action Beretta. Notice that her head isn't cocked to the side down on the gun, her head is erect.

How exactly has a 5'4" female sustained decades of shooting 12 gauge? How she mounts the gun is a clue. The equal and opposite reaction is loaded into the majority of her body weight, not just her shoulder joint. Her mount and stance are significantly different than most male clays shooters. If you look at pictures of Ben Husthwaite or George Digweed mounting a shotgun they tend to have a more bladed stance than Kim does. George tends to be closer to the "beside the gun" method, Ben tends to be about halfway between Kim and George in how much of him is behind the gun.

It's worth noting that both of those men have a lot more mass going for them than Kim does.

All of those names have spent countless hours mounting a shotgun, usually a shotgun carefully tailored to fit them so that it ensures the mount that is crucial to their success on the range.

I can't really say the same about your typical person who is reaching for a defensive shotgun. Hell, I can't even say that about myself.

My mount is pretty good most of the time. When I'm standing on two feet. On the range. With my wits about me and a full understanding of what's going on. And I'm deciding to initiate the shooting process. I can set up in a real low ready (meaning the gun pointed at the ground YARDS in front of the target) and fire a hit in under 1/2 a second. Close to 1/3 of a second if I'm really on that day. That's pretty good.

But when it's early may, colder than usual, raining to beat the band and Pat Goodale is making you shoot slugs around an awkward barricade that you're having to twist your fat ass into a pretzel and be leaned way the hell over so you can fire a slug at 50...well...I'm not making that .33 mount to shot anymore. Once I ended up in an awkward position my mount ended up being lower than usual. It wasn't off by a lot, but enough that I would have missed entirely at that distance given how much of the target I could see downrange from this awkward position. I couldn't get my front sight into the rear notch and that was the clue that I needed to readjust.

Would a second bead on a vent rib have told me that? Maybe. What I can tell you is that with a red dot or a good set of ghost rings/rifle sights the feedback is instantaneous and unmistakable. When you have a lot of other things to think about they provide a very clear and direct "YES" or "NO" signal. The benefit of that is sometimes difficult to see when you're standing on two feet in your most comfortable shooting position. But even the clients who are extremely skilled with a bead find themselves wanting something better the instant I make them shoot from the other shoulder. (Because the real world has corners that open to the left AND the right)

A double-beaded vent rib will certainly be helpful in that endeavor...but if I'm going to the extent of getting a front bead up higher and then installing a rear bead so I have some sort of reference at the rear to tell me if I'm actually looking down the rib straight...well...why not just go with rifle sights or a ghost ring at that point?

I'm not saying that the vent rib double bead is bad. You can certainly use it, especially if you actually train on it. But if I have the choice between that or something with real sights I'm going to pick real sights every time because they just do everything I'm looking to do better. I can use rifle sights like a bead, but I can't use beads like rifle sights nearly as easily.

I think a lot of people misunderstand what I'm doing with rifle sights or ghost rings on a shotgun. They think I'm looking at the sights, when in reality I'm usually looking through them. If you get your mount right you're getting exactly what Jeff Cooper described as a "flash sight picture" and breaking the shot.If you get the mount wrong, you see the incorrect shape in the sights, fix it at speed, and then break the shot. If my mount is right and I'm shooting buckshot at close range I see the gross shape of the sights in an alignment that isn't perfect, but is "good enough".

"Good enough" defined as the front sight might be 2/3rds out of the rear notch, but at 13 yards if I just drive that front sight to armpit level I'm still going to get a solid hit. If it's low in the front sight notch if I just drive the sight to armpit level, I'm still going to get a good hit. If the sight is beside the notch or not visible in it, I've probably got my push/pull out of sequence. Etc. I can see this in hundredths of a second, correct it in tenths.

My focus is on the target unless I'm shooting a slug for precision at distance.

This is exactly what somebody who is using a vent ribbed bead would be doing...only my rifle sights provide me a lot more reliable and instantly comprehensible feedback on alignment when I need them to than their bead does. Especially if I make them grab and mount the gun in uncomfortable positions or awkward circumstances.

...circumstances that are much closer to resembling what you might be doing if you are responding to an armed home invasion than setting up on a sporting clays range.

So it's not that the vented rib double bead can't be used to a high level in defensive use, because it can. It's not even that I can't use such an arrangement to get acceptable results, because I can. It's that system is inherently limited when it comes to doing lower percentage but still realistic things with the gun while providing no real benefit in the fast and close stuff over irons.

Vented ribs look sexy as hell, without question. But I just don't want to be stuck fighting with one if I can help it.

Man, I really wish I could get to a range and learn from you dude. Appreciate the insight.

[LHS]

But there's no reason why you couldn't have a vent rib AND good sights on a shotgun. It's not an either-or proposition. When I say I love vent ribs on a shotgun, it's not saying I want to use a bead or double-bead as a sighting system.


I can use a vent rib.

I don't prefer them on a defensive gun because it still gives you less feedback on your alignment on the target than a good set of rifle or ghost ring sights.

In a circumstance where I'm firing a 36" cloud of shot at a 4 ounce bird 30 yards away, a little misalignment behind the gun due to a bad mount isn't going to make a lot of difference. In self defense we're not shooting at dude, we're shooting at small vital structures buried deep inside of dude. The nature of the shotgun being what it is, should we be a little bit off it's unlikely the other guy is going to nanny-nanny-boo-boo about it. Even so driving the fight stopping power in our hands exactly where it does the most good is a pretty good idea when we're looking to stop a threat.

A bead on a raised vented rib is vastly preferable to a pedestal bead or a bead-on-barrel. And the double bead isn't bad, either.

But no bead sight is going to be as good at doing what we're trying to do with a defensive shotgun as a proper set of sights.

A skilled hand with a shotgun can use a bead sight to a high level for sure. Because ultimately the thing on top of the gun doesn't shoot the gun. Skill on the actual controls of the gun pay off regardless of the sighting system.

But....and this is a big ol' hanging off both sides of the fatty scooter sized but...we don't even mount a defensive shotgun the same way that most people mount a bird gun. If I showed up to train with a sporting clays instructor with my teaching 870 and I adopted the stance and mount I want to use for defensive application he'd probably have a stroke. I'm mounting the gun inboard on my pec, not out toward my shoulder pocket if I can help it. I'm square to my target. These things are going to be suboptimal for following a fast moving aerial target across a wide section of sky and he will immediately start trying to "fix" that.

In self defense I'm swinging the gun a lot less of a distance at targets that are typically much closer and moving much more slowly. But I'm shooting a payload with real recoil. I'm shooting slugs or buckshot. I'm shooting a single projectile or ideally a pattern that is no bigger than the span of my hand, and I'm trying to land it centered on about a 3" circle on the other dude's anatomy.

Take a look at this picture:

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I see this all the time. Most people will look at that and say it looks pretty close to right.

I'd ask that you look at it more closely and think about this: How much of him is behind the gun, and how much of him is beside it? Do you really have optimal control if you're basically standing beside the gun?

Look at how Kim Rhode mounts a shotgun:

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Note that she's running that gun a lot more inboard than the proverbial "pocket"...but also note how stretched out she is on the gun. Her support hand is barely in front of the hinge of her break-action Beretta. Notice that her head isn't cocked to the side down on the gun, her head is erect.

How exactly has a 5'4" female sustained decades of shooting 12 gauge? How she mounts the gun is a clue. The equal and opposite reaction is loaded into the majority of her body weight, not just her shoulder joint. Her mount and stance are significantly different than most male clays shooters. If you look at pictures of Ben Husthwaite or George Digweed mounting a shotgun they tend to have a more bladed stance than Kim does. George tends to be closer to the "beside the gun" method, Ben tends to be about halfway between Kim and George in how much of him is behind the gun.

It's worth noting that both of those men have a lot more mass going for them than Kim does.

All of those names have spent countless hours mounting a shotgun, usually a shotgun carefully tailored to fit them so that it ensures the mount that is crucial to their success on the range.

I can't really say the same about your typical person who is reaching for a defensive shotgun. Hell, I can't even say that about myself.

My mount is pretty good most of the time. When I'm standing on two feet. On the range. With my wits about me and a full understanding of what's going on. And I'm deciding to initiate the shooting process. I can set up in a real low ready (meaning the gun pointed at the ground YARDS in front of the target) and fire a hit in under 1/2 a second. Close to 1/3 of a second if I'm really on that day. That's pretty good.

But when it's early may, colder than usual, raining to beat the band and Pat Goodale is making you shoot slugs around an awkward barricade that you're having to twist your fat ass into a pretzel and be leaned way the hell over so you can fire a slug at 50...well...I'm not making that .33 mount to shot anymore. Once I ended up in an awkward position my mount ended up being lower than usual. It wasn't off by a lot, but enough that I would have missed entirely at that distance given how much of the target I could see downrange from this awkward position. I couldn't get my front sight into the rear notch and that was the clue that I needed to readjust.

Would a second bead on a vent rib have told me that? Maybe. What I can tell you is that with a red dot or a good set of ghost rings/rifle sights the feedback is instantaneous and unmistakable. When you have a lot of other things to think about they provide a very clear and direct "YES" or "NO" signal. The benefit of that is sometimes difficult to see when you're standing on two feet in your most comfortable shooting position. But even the clients who are extremely skilled with a bead find themselves wanting something better the instant I make them shoot from the other shoulder. (Because the real world has corners that open to the left AND the right)

A double-beaded vent rib will certainly be helpful in that endeavor...but if I'm going to the extent of getting a front bead up higher and then installing a rear bead so I have some sort of reference at the rear to tell me if I'm actually looking down the rib straight...well...why not just go with rifle sights or a ghost ring at that point?

I'm not saying that the vent rib double bead is bad. You can certainly use it, especially if you actually train on it. But if I have the choice between that or something with real sights I'm going to pick real sights every time because they just do everything I'm looking to do better. I can use rifle sights like a bead, but I can't use beads like rifle sights nearly as easily.

I think a lot of people misunderstand what I'm doing with rifle sights or ghost rings on a shotgun. They think I'm looking at the sights, when in reality I'm usually looking through them. If you get your mount right you're getting exactly what Jeff Cooper described as a "flash sight picture" and breaking the shot.If you get the mount wrong, you see the incorrect shape in the sights, fix it at speed, and then break the shot. If my mount is right and I'm shooting buckshot at close range I see the gross shape of the sights in an alignment that isn't perfect, but is "good enough".

"Good enough" defined as the front sight might be 2/3rds out of the rear notch, but at 13 yards if I just drive that front sight to armpit level I'm still going to get a solid hit. If it's low in the front sight notch if I just drive the sight to armpit level, I'm still going to get a good hit. If the sight is beside the notch or not visible in it, I've probably got my push/pull out of sequence. Etc. I can see this in hundredths of a second, correct it in tenths.

My focus is on the target unless I'm shooting a slug for precision at distance.

This is exactly what somebody who is using a vent ribbed bead would be doing...only my rifle sights provide me a lot more reliable and instantly comprehensible feedback on alignment when I need them to than their bead does. Especially if I make them grab and mount the gun in uncomfortable positions or awkward circumstances.

...circumstances that are much closer to resembling what you might be doing if you are responding to an armed home invasion than setting up on a sporting clays range.

So it's not that the vented rib double bead can't be used to a high level in defensive use, because it can. It's not even that I can't use such an arrangement to get acceptable results, because I can. It's that system is inherently limited when it comes to doing lower percentage but still realistic things with the gun while providing no real benefit in the fast and close stuff over irons.

Vented ribs look sexy as hell, without question. But I just don't want to be stuck fighting with one if I can help it.

[TCinVA]

But there's no reason why you couldn't have a vent rib AND good sights on a shotgun. It's not an either-or proposition. When I say I love vent ribs on a shotgun, it's not saying I want to use a bead or double-bead as a sighting system.

I'm all for the rifle sights sunk into the rib. It looks really nice. I don't know that it provides any practical benefit, but it looks nice.

[GJM]

But there's no reason why you couldn't have a vent rib AND good sights on a shotgun. It's not an either-or proposition. When I say I love vent ribs on a shotgun, it's not saying I want to use a bead or double-bead as a sighting system.

I have red dots on my shotguns, because they are slug launchers. It seems like the three gun guys are mostly using vent ribs with some rudimentary sights sunk into the rib. Since they are all about speed/accuracy (a miss that causes a reload with the shotgun is a time killer), they believe it is the best sighting system or they would do something else.

[md8232]

I have red dots on my shotguns, because they are slug launchers. It seems like the three gun guys are mostly using vent ribs with some rudimentary sights sunk into the rib. Since they are all about speed/accuracy (a miss that causes a reload with the shotgun is a time killer), they believe it is the best sighting system or they would do something else.

What is your current optic of choice for the 1301?
I just ordered a Holosun 507 Comp and have a SRO that I could also use.

[GJM]

What is your current optic of choice for the 1301?
I just ordered a Holosun 507 Comp and have a SRO that I could also use.

Remember my use case is different, walking around in AK with the shotgun in my hands. Seems like it rains more than not there.

That means a sealed emitter, and I have T1/T2 micros on various shotguns, but I would be open to a 509T.

[md8232]

Remember my use case is different, walking around in AK with the shotgun in my hands. Seems like it rains more than not there.

That means a sealed emitter, and I have T1/T2 micros on various shotguns, but I would be open to a 509T.


Thanks George. I wasn't sure if you competed with a shotgun.
Our bears are a bit smaller in AR!

[GJM]

I would love to see what a Holosun EPS deep milled into a 14 inch vent rib M2 looked like.

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[kev8287]

Check this out from Briley Mfg.

https://www.briley.com/images/Product/medium/61204.jpg

I’m not sure which front sight it would need, but it will be worth an email to find out.

[mmc45414]

And then this pops up this morning on Tactical Wire (https://www.thetacticalwire.com/releases/90fe2965-7d0e-495e-b549-c9f7037c0a57), looks like RMR, ACRO and Micro:

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[Navin Johnson]

And then this pops up this morning on Tactical Wire (https://www.thetacticalwire.com/releases/90fe2965-7d0e-495e-b549-c9f7037c0a57), looks like RMR, ACRO and Micro:

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Seems like a good choice if one has an extra dot on the shelf. I think an S1 would be simpler and sit lower.

[TCinVA]

Aimpoint makes the Acro S2 that comes out of the box ready to mount on a vent rib. It has a 9 MOA dot supposedly because it's better for wing/clay shooting.

[mmc45414]

I think an S1 would be simpler and sit lower.
Fer sure, apparently they are on sale now, but were $800 MSRP.

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A Mossberg 500 out of the used rack, with a shortened VR barrel and the Warne mount under a Romeo5, perhaps with the SGA for a little extra cheek riser, might be a nice rig.

[GJM]

I didn't have my S1 handy, but I just compared a T1 and an Acro, and have a slight preference for the Acro, as it doesn't have the top elevation turret and side intensity knob to block down range view. Not sure about 9 moa, but would have to shoot it to know. I assume both are equally reliable, or the Acro more so, since designed for a reciprocating slide. Also assume both would sit equally low on the rib?

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[Navin Johnson]

Fer sure, apparently they are on sale now, but were $800 MSRP.

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A Mossberg 500 out of the used rack, with a shortened VR barrel and the Warne mount under a Romeo5, perhaps with the SGA for a little extra cheek riser, might be a nice rig.

How much is a adapter+stock+rib mount+dot? (Versus an S1) Unless one doesn’t like factory stock.

[mmc45414]

It seems like the three gun guys are mostly using vent ribs with some rudimentary sights sunk into the rib. Since they are all about speed/accuracy (a miss that causes a reload with the shotgun is a time killer), they believe it is the best sighting system or they would do something else.

Some of this might depend on the rules package, I could be wrong but Tactical Optics under some sanctioning bodies might mean an optic on only the rifle. I have received mixed signals on this, but when I went to a pistol optic it was my understanding that it boosted me into Open, so I went ahead and put an MRO on my 1301C. I decided if I was not going to win TacOps I might as well not win in Open, and take advantage of the optics (as a old guy beginner I want to make things more easy, I do not need additional challenges...).

I am glad it worked out this way, because I have enjoyed the optic on the shotgun, and it has changed my way of thinking a bit, enough so that I am in the process of setting up a new 590 with an optic. I will still probably still get another 1301T or A300 at some point, but I am going to spend this supper doing more pump gun work. I bought the 590 and a companion 500, doing the SGA on both of them. The 500 is a two barrel set, going to attempt skeet with the 26in VR, and will have the simple 18in barrel I will probably just put a XS bead on. OTOH I am throwing all kinds of accessories onto the 590.

This thread has drifted in a productive manner, IMO.

[mmc45414]

How much is a adapter+stock+rib mount+dot? (Versus an S1) Unless one doesn’t like factory stock.

Looks like about half, at the sale price:

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[ricky_bobby]

Remember my use case is different, walking around in AK with the shotgun in my hands. Seems like it rains more than not there.

That means a sealed emitter, and I have T1/T2 micros on various shotguns, but I would be open to a 509T.

509T is a great choice

No it won't really cowitness with rear if you care about that but you'll have a working front sight to go off of if the solar panel dies and the battery dies in conjunction

I think it sits a bit more proud because of the RMR plate adapter as well, so maybe a small riser may be needed (which doesn't seem to be the case with 507/508 series)

[Dr_Nimslow]

509T is a great choice

No it won't really cowitness with rear if you care about that but you'll have a working front sight to go off of if the solar panel dies and the battery dies in conjunction

I think it sits a bit more proud because of the RMR plate adapter as well, so maybe a small riser may be needed (which doesn't seem to be the case with 507/508 series)

I'm running a 509T, with this plate, on my 1301T. It's lower 1/3 cowitness with the factory rear sight.


https://farrow.tech/beretta-1301-a300-optic-mounting-plate/

[ricky_bobby]

That is actually really nice! I have been debating blacking out the circles on the factory rear and keeping it (and that plate is a great option for the 509T)

Or the RMR CROM - but from what I've seen the cowitness does not work as well with the CROM and 509T unless someone tells me otherwise - again, not the biggest deal with a 509T with the sealed housing, solar backup, etc -

Are you using a riser with the 509T and that plate on your stock (I assume using SGA)

[Pnut]

Anyone have the inside scoop on when the NEW Aridus handguards will be available? I’ve been checking daily on their site with no luck, but I did score one of their stock adapters a few weeks ago.

[Centerfire]

That is actually really nice! I have been debating blacking out the circles on the factory rear and keeping it (and that plate is a great option for the 509T)

Or the RMR CROM - but from what I've seen the cowitness does not work as well with the CROM and 509T unless someone tells me otherwise - again, not the biggest deal with a 509T with the sealed housing, solar backup, etc -

Are you using a riser with the 509T and that plate on your stock (I assume using SGA)

TacOrd sells 509T mounts as well as Haught style replacement apertures for the OEM sight.

https://tacord.com/product/tacord-1301-mini-mount/
https://tacord.com/product/tacord-reduced-profile-aperture/

[backtrail540]

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/415016938/beretta+1301+enhanced+michigan+state+police+shotgu n+12ga


Good looking package here for a solid price. Steiner mps mount, sga stock, what appears to be a forend like the 1300 ultima patrol and the full length tube. $1699 as of this post.

[Maca]

For someone who has been out of shotguns for defensive purposes for a decade or more, what’s the recommended ammo selection these days?

00 and slugs for 1301 with an Acro.

Much appreciated.

[TCinVA]

Federal Flight Control 8 pellet is a good place to start with a 1301.

Federal's Hydra-Shock and True-Ball slugs tend to shoot very accurately out of the 1301. Sometimes with the same point of impact as the buckshot, sometimes not. Fiocchi's slugs also tend to shoot well out of the 1301.

[ricky_bobby]

TacOrd sells 509T mounts as well as Haught style replacement apertures for the OEM sight.

https://tacord.com/product/tacord-1301-mini-mount/
https://tacord.com/product/tacord-reduced-profile-aperture/

Thank you - I will email Farrowtech and TacOrd - it seems Farrowtech sells a specific absolute co-witness mount so I'd like to know if TacOrd places it similarly - great to know they make a Rob Haught style aperture for the factory rear sight which would be my preferred

[GJM]

Has anyone shot heavy slugs, like Brennekes, with the Chisel stock, and can report on that?

[md8232]

Those of you with WML's, what light are you using?
I would mainly light up the hay field or the area towards our barn.

Forgot to mention I have the Zhukov forend on my Aridus 1300.

[kev8287]

This has potential for those of us who have the 1301 Comp.

https://youtu.be/j59xZqDH1fo?si=6pvo4oh6lukMRqRT

[ricky_bobby]

I'm running a 509T, with this plate, on my 1301T. It's lower 1/3 cowitness with the factory rear sight.

https://farrow.tech/beretta-1301-a300-optic-mounting-plate/

Did you get the 'regular' 509T plate or the 509T-Absolute?

He emailed me back yesterday said the plates are the same one is a bit thinner - I am leaning towards the Absolute Plate with the 509T and the TacOrd or RX Arms Rob Haught style aperture -

[Dr_Nimslow]

Did you get the 'regular' 509T plate or the 509T-Absolute?

He emailed me back yesterday said the plates are the same one is a bit thinner - I am leaning towards the Absolute Plate with the 509T and the TacOrd or RX Arms Rob Haught style aperture -


I went with the "regular". It ends up with a lower 1/3 co-witness. I prefer that to absolute.


http://i.imgur.com/pzIZIjN.jpg (https://imgur.com/pzIZIjN)


http://i.imgur.com/PZPJWgy.jpg (https://imgur.com/PZPJWgy)

[Navin Johnson]

I went with the "regular". It ends up with a lower 1/3 co-witness. I prefer that to absolute.


http://i.imgur.com/pzIZIjN.jpg (https://imgur.com/pzIZIjN)


http://i.imgur.com/PZPJWgy.jpg (https://imgur.com/PZPJWgy)

Does it work with standard stock or require the Magpul with risers?

[Dr_Nimslow]

Does it work with standard stock or require the Magpul with risers?


I'm running the Magpul, without any risers. For me, I think it would work fine with the factory stock.

[Centerfire]

Did you get the 'regular' 509T plate or the 509T-Absolute?

He emailed me back yesterday said the plates are the same one is a bit thinner - I am leaning towards the Absolute Plate with the 509T and the TacOrd or RX Arms Rob Haught style aperture -

This is just personal opinion but I prefer less of the optic in my field of view. I have a 508T on my 1301 with a TacOrd mount and it is absolute. I have a Magpul stock and almost feel like the comb could be lower.

[ricky_bobby]

Great pics thank you for sharing - for what its worth Farrowtech emailed back they are super nice, said I can just order both plates and test fit and return the one I don't like -

I am leaning towards the GG&G 509T plate with the Rob Haught aperture as it will give me what I'd like in a CROM but having cowitness (from all I've seen on the RMR CROM it raises the optic too high as it uses the adapter plate with the 509T)

Or I could just use CROM and 508T but I was leaning towards the closed emitter which I like on a 'bombproof' setup

[Centerfire]

Great pics thank you for sharing - for what its worth Farrowtech emailed back they are super nice, said I can just order both plates and test fit and return the one I don't like -

I am leaning towards the GG&G 509T plate with the Rob Haught aperture as it will give me what I'd like in a CROM but having cowitness (from all I've seen on the RMR CROM it raises the optic too high as it uses the adapter plate with the 509T)

Or I could just use CROM and 508T but I was leaning towards the closed emitter which I like on a 'bombproof' setup

If I was doing it over I would go with a 509. I did not like the CROM at all and went to a steel M4 rear sight with TacOrd aperture.

[Centerfire]

Can anyone with a Nordic +2 extension tell me how long they cut their magazine spring? I've just been using the OEM spring but it's getting pretty soft.

[pointblank4445]

I know they've got the 1301 Comp and the A300 Patrol...

But what are the chances Beretta will release a more vanilla/streamlined 1301 tactical? Always loathed the Benelli/Beretta/LPA ghostrings...maybe going back to the simple 5-shot mag option (to cut some weight or for residents of states going hard on the ban stuff).

[Noah]

I know they've got the 1301 Comp and the A300 Patrol...

But what are the chances Beretta will release a more vanilla/streamlined 1301 tactical? Always loathed the Benelli/Beretta/LPA ghostrings...maybe going back to the simple 5-shot mag option (to cut some weight or for residents of states going hard on the ban stuff).

That was available in the earliest versions of the 1301 but doesn't appear to be anymore.

[ricky_bobby]

Can anyone with a Nordic +2 extension tell me how long they cut their magazine spring? I've just been using the OEM spring but it's getting pretty soft.

Just get a new OEM spring IMO

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C95399

[pointblank4445]

That was available in the earliest versions of the 1301 but doesn't appear to be anymore.

The no extension was I know...but they've always had the Ghost rings. 1201 had rifle as an option

[mmc45414]

Can anyone with a Nordic +2 extension tell me how long they cut their magazine spring? I've just been using the OEM spring but it's getting pretty soft.

The typical is to leave it 12-14in past the tube when new. From Nordic:
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[Centerfire]

The typical is to leave it 12-14in past the tube when new. From Nordic:
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Thank you

[ricky_bobby]

Well I guess I should be glad I got the Pro Lifter last summer for my Gen1 at $69 from Beretta considering how popular it is now - and thank you Centerfire for helping with my LPA sight requests, and your pics of the screws and referral to Fusion Firearms as the LPA distributor was super helpful - oddly enough, my Panzer M4 has a metal rear sight that screws in from the underside of the receiver and looks to be a 1:1 clone of the M4 LPA OEM rear sight

[Pnut]

Gen 2 Zhukov from Aridus is now available for pre-order/backorder! I’ve been checking their site daily since it was first announced and it finally popped up today. It looks like they are offering it the original finish or with Aridus’ textured finish… the one that looks like overlapping circles.

[GJM]

In light of EG's "shotguns I saw" thread, something appealing about the latest mod 2 1301 is buying a shotgun where you add a red dot, light and sling but otherwise leave the guts alone. I am a lot more confident of the reliability and durability of something Beretta spec'd and assembled.

[Trigger]

Any recommended vendors for the 1301 Mod2? Good prices or in stock a plus.

I’m trying to avoid those selling the LE (no screw in choke) version on the grey market.

[Centerfire]

Gen 2 Zhukov from Aridus is now available for pre-order/backorder! I’ve been checking their site daily since it was first announced and it finally popped up today. It looks like they are offering it the original finish or with Aridus’ textured finish… the one that looks like overlapping circles.

The upgrades to the original Aridus Zhukov is $120. I think I'm going to hold off spending that much money on printed parts.

[GearFondler]

The upgrades to the original Aridus Zhukov is $120. I think I'm going to hold off spending that much money on printed parts.I wouldn't personally worry about that as it's the equivalent of worrying over MIM vs cast vs milled... As long as the process is properly done and the part is used appropriately then it won't matter.
I just can't currently justify the added expense for the minor upgrade though I will probably eventually give in and buy it.

[GearFondler]

In light of EG's "shotguns I saw" thread, something appealing about the latest mod 2 1301 is buying a shotgun where you add a red dot, light and sling but otherwise leave the guts alone. I am a lot more confident of the reliability and durability of something Beretta spec'd and assembled.You also get to avoid any potential 922r complications. Sigh... So many stupid laws.

[Centerfire]

I wouldn't personally worry about that as it's the equivalent of worrying over MIM vs cast vs milled... As long as the process is properly done and the part is used appropriately then it won't matter.
I just can't currently justify the added expense for the minor upgrade though I will probably eventually give in and buy it.

It's not a trust issue, it's value. I'm not paying extra for printed parts. Nevermind mind that I don't want parts slathered in logos. I get what Aridus is doing but 3D printing in this instance is cost saving, not value adding.

[GearFondler]

Nevermind mind that I don't want parts slathered in logos.

You weren't alone...

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[Pnut]

My original plan was to get the factory gen 2 handguard to aid in mounting a light, but I haven’t seen them for sale yet. Then the new Aridus was announced and I liked the new forward mlok slots for mounting a light better than mounting on the Magpul part.

The factory Beretta gen 1 handguard sells on WGW for about $100. Paying $100 more for the Aridus is worth it to me. The factory part is all plastic, including the nose, body, and the little ears that seat into the receiver. The new Aridus has aluminum ears, and although the nose piece is some sort of 3D printed piece, I trust that it will hold up. I purchased Aridus’ newest stock adapter which is also printed and I was surprised at how solid it is.

I’ll report back once I have it in hand.

[ricky_bobby]

Duplicate post see below - I was one of the ones who offered feedback to Adam to offer the retrofit handguard hardware kit as I thought many like me would want it (assuming the hand guard and heat shield setup is unchanged

[ricky_bobby]

Well I’m not one to grumble on price for upgrades

Order will be placed for Zhukov hand guard retrofit kit and new SGA updated adapter
I have faith in Adam/Aridus through testing and design if the new parts were not worth the upgrade cost or better than “V1” they would not come to market

Charging handles were refunded and redesigned and now mine sports the current charging handle so I will order the new parts and report back. Considering I was one of the lucky ones back in 2017 to get my 1301T for $600? (Or $650 - right before Gen2 was released at Shot, when Arms Unlimited cleared out the gen1’s) I’m not complaining a bit on cost of upgrades.

For some reason I just have to have one of his followers to complete the setup so I’ll see if he can wait to send everything when next batch of followers is available, considering from what I know he designed them to work with the original Nordic extensions to not hang up like Nordic followers and others

[Pnut]

Does anyone happen to have the inside scoop on when the new Aridus hand guards will be shipping? I’m patiently waiting, but I have the sling mount, flashlight, AND my soldering iron out just waiting to stipple and mount the thing!!!

[mrozowjj]

So I guess that means I can talk about it, now...

I was at the factory a couple of weeks ago talking to some of the engineers and we got a look at the new stuff coming out. The updated 1301 is kind of pictured there. There's another build with the Mesa stock on it, as people like pistol grips.

The big news is the forend from the A300UP is coming on them from the factory. The A300UP's forend was built with the 1301 in mind, too...so that's not a shock. It fits on via an adapter.

It's hard to see from the pictures, but that's an updated magazine tube cover and magazine tube clamp that is more secure and should prevent the walking that's generated a lot of complaints.

The forend, magazine tube cover and magazine clamp are all supposed to eventually be available for purchase aftermarket...but at the moment Beretta is selling a lot of A300UP's so I would expect that sending complete guns out the door will be a priority for whatever production of them there is.

The rubber on the bolt release has also been updated so it stays in place better.

You can't see it in the photo, but it's also coming with the pro lifter from the factory. I personally have no use for it because I can keep my thumbs from being pinched with technique, but people seem to like it so it'll be on there from the factory. We saw several racks of them being prepared to head out the door and all of them had the Mesa stocks, the updated forend stuff, and the pro-lifter in them.


When you say Pro lifter you mean the lifter from the Comp Pro models?

[mmc45414]

When you say Pro lifter you mean the lifter from the Comp Pro models?
My understanding is the Pro Lifter is the one that yes, comes in the Pro models, but main feature is that it is up when it is at rest so it is out of the way when you are loading.

[Centerfire]

When you say Pro lifter you mean the lifter from the Comp Pro models?

It's the Pro lifter Beretta has been selling aftermarket for a few years in North America and Europe. The Comp has a different frame than the 1301T so the lifters are not interchangeable between the two.

[TCinVA]

When you say Pro lifter you mean the lifter from the Comp Pro models?

Right. It's the type that sits up toward the bolt at rest. I don't care for it, but others seem to like it. It's a different part on the Tactical models, IIRC, because the receivers are different but it performs the same way.

[mmc45414]

It's a different part on the Tactical models, IIRC, because the receivers are different but it performs the same way.
The Comp models are 3" guns built on 3.5" receivers to make the loading port bigger. So if a fella wants one for his Tactical is is simple, because it is a 3" gun, but room for confusion on the Comps.

[kev8287]

I hope some here can help with this.

I have a 1301 Comp, and I would like a rail to mount an optic. Now the potential “Hard part” I would like the section of rail to allow the use of the bead sight.

Yes I still like to still train with iron sights on occasion.

Thanks to all.

[mmc45414]

I have a 1301 Comp, and I would like a rail to mount an optic. Now the potential “Hard part” I would like the section of rail to allow the use of the bead sight.
I also have a Comp, and have circled the drain on mounts quite a bit, and not sure exactly what you will find that will be plug and play.
Fusion offers this one (https://fusionfirearms.com/ghost-ring-adjustable-sight-assembly-w-picatinny-rail-long-gun-shotgun), and I think it is setup so the mount can be drilled to match the holes in the gun?
And they have a setscrew front sight for the rib (https://fusionfirearms.com/adjustable-tactical-front-shotgun-sight-screw-in-red-fiber-optic). I actually have one of these that I am not using that I would make you a deal on if you decide to do this.
Not sure anything will co-witness if it is on a mount on top of a rail, but you could use a QR release and switch back and forth. Also if you do multi-gun you could switch between Open and Tac-Ops.

[kev8287]

Thank you. I would prefer not to use ghost ring sights.

I found these and am doing research on them
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Rib+fitting+folding+rear+sights&crid=2MT4Y6QJWRQCU&sprefix=rib+fitting+folding+rear+sights%2Caps%2C14 4&ref=nb_sb_noss

I found them because of your suggestion, so again thank you.

[mmc45414]

Thank you. I would prefer not to use ghost ring sights.
If you do not want GR there are a bunch of things that clamp on the rib (the link didn't work).
Happy to help, I have been scheming on shotguns a lot lately.

[ricky_bobby]

So I got my 509T (Green - X2 version), my Tacord 509T mount and half moon aperture for the LPA factory rear sight, now time to get the puppy on!

I will say - although it is a great enclosure, and I really like being able to use the 'buckshot donut' by itself, in tandem with the dot, or just dot for farther distance shooting slugs - I will say that the 509T was just about the most expensive optic I own ($356 shipped) the glass is nowhere near as clear as my 510C, or my 512C, or my 503CU's, more of a color shift than anything, but definitely a step down in clarity from those models - nothing terrible, but definitely noticeable if going from my AR with one of those that I own, to the 509T

I'll register my warranty just in case with Holosun and it looks factory fresh, and is my first 'pistol engineered' optic so that may be part of it

Thank you Centerfire for all the help getting the LPA steel rear sight and the Tacord 509T mount and rob haught style aperture as I think this setup is best of both worlds as opposed to a 509T on a GG&G CROM style mount

[TCinVA]

So I got my 509T (Green - X2 version), my Tacord 509T mount and half moon aperture for the LPA factory rear sight, now time to get the puppy on!

I will say - although it is a great enclosure, and I really like being able to use the 'buckshot donut' by itself, in tandem with the dot, or just dot for farther distance shooting slugs - I will say that the 509T was just about the most expensive optic I own ($356 shipped) the glass is nowhere near as clear as my 510C, or my 512C, or my 503CU's, more of a color shift than anything, but definitely a step down in clarity from those models - nothing terrible, but definitely noticeable if going from my AR with one of those that I own, to the 509T

I'll register my warranty just in case with Holosun and it looks factory fresh, and is my first 'pistol engineered' optic so that may be part of it


I certainly don't claim to see the most pistol optics of anyone out there, but I've seen a fair few of them at this point. The enclosed emitter Holosun optics tend to have significant variances in their glass. Just as an example, a client recently had his first Holosun fail and he received another one to replace it that we had a dickens of a time trying to get zeroed. The gun (a Glock 17) just would not group. I shot it and even using irons just as a sanity check I couldn't guarantee hits. It was so bad I pulled out my own carry gun and shot some HST just to make sure I hadn't forgotten how to shoot a pistol.

What we thought was some sort of barrel/locking block issue turns out to have been distortion in the glass of the optic. My eyes weren't good enough to see it, but when we put the gun in the hands of someone with significantly better eyesight (who has also made a profession of looking through scopes) he immediately spotted the problem.

I've seen them manifest everything from weird distortion like that to throwing false dots when the sun hits the optic from behind at just the right angle to the glass coming loose inside the housing. I've seen plenty that worked just fine, but in terms of problems with the glass itself the Holosun enclosed emitters I've seen more issues specifically with their glass than I've seen from other optics.

Moral of the story is that you keep an eye on it and don't just assume that if something looks off that's how it's supposed to be. If it starts acting weird or you're seeing weird results definitely take advantage of customer service.

[ricky_bobby]

I certainly don't claim to see the most pistol optics of anyone out there, but I've seen a fair few of them at this point. The enclosed emitter Holosun optics tend to have significant variances in their glass. Just as an example, a client recently had his first Holosun fail and he received another one to replace it that we had a dickens of a time trying to get zeroed. The gun (a Glock 17) just would not group. I shot it and even using irons just as a sanity check I couldn't guarantee hits. It was so bad I pulled out my own carry gun and shot some HST just to make sure I hadn't forgotten how to shoot a pistol.

What we thought was some sort of barrel/locking block issue turns out to have been distortion in the glass of the optic. My eyes weren't good enough to see it, but when we put the gun in the hands of someone with significantly better eyesight (who has also made a profession of looking through scopes) he immediately spotted the problem.

I've seen them manifest everything from weird distortion like that to throwing false dots when the sun hits the optic from behind at just the right angle to the glass coming loose inside the housing. I've seen plenty that worked just fine, but in terms of problems with the glass itself the Holosun enclosed emitters I've seen more issues specifically with their glass than I've seen from other optics.

Moral of the story is that you keep an eye on it and don't just assume that if something looks off that's how it's supposed to be. If it starts acting weird or you're seeing weird results definitely take advantage of customer service.

Thank you and yes I think in bold is the key above- everything has a defect/failure rate and although I've not had to use Holosun warranty for my other optics I feel confident when purchasing that they do stand behind their products so I will keep an eye on it so to speak, literally and figuratively - I don't have a box full of the same optics to inspect them side by side with other 509T's but I was just noting that compared to my 510/512 and my 503's on my AR's this one is more noticeable. I will send Holosun an email just to inquire as well - like I said, its my first pistol optic, and it may be me just getting used to something new, smaller viewing window compared to my rifle optics etc (and I also have a pair of PA SLX 1X Microprisms which also spoil me)

[kev8287]

Can anyone tell me the width of the vent rib on the 1301? My caliper broke.

[Ray Keith]

Anyone happen to have any form of contact info for Aridus Industries? I have purchased the CROM Haught mod for my 1301. I purchased and aimpoint micro (no mount) https://aimpoint.us/micro-t-2-no-mount/
which appears to be too long for the mount. The caps on the rear of the optic contact the crom rear aperture. It also does not appear to sit down into the mount correctly or flush, because of the length of the optic. I'm assuming I have bought the wrong optic, but trying to contact anyone at Aimpoint is not going well, and Aridus doesn't even seem to provide email contact. Anyone help here? If I have purchased the wrong optic, I am baffled to know which one is the correct one on the Aimpoint website. The Part number of the sight I purchased is 200180, AP Micro T-2 2MOA ACET, no mount.

Thank you.

[GearFondler]

Anyone happen to have any form of contact info for Aridus Industries? I have purchased the CROM Haught mod for my 1301. I purchased and aimpoint micro (no mount) https://aimpoint.us/micro-t-2-no-mount/
which appears to be too long for the mount. The caps on the rear of the optic contact the crom rear aperture. It also does not appear to sit down into the mount correctly or flush, because of the length of the optic. I'm assuming I have bought the wrong optic, but trying to contact anyone at Aimpoint is not going well, and Aridus doesn't even seem to provide email contact. Anyone help here? If I have purchased the wrong optic, I am baffled to know which one is the correct one on the Aimpoint website. The Part number of the sight I purchased is 200180, AP Micro T-2 2MOA ACET, no mount.

Thank you.info@aridusindustries.com