Beretta 1301 Tactical

[SW CQB 45]

Run QD and QD paraclip?

I think I have a paraclip but I like the simplicity and lightweight of the Frank Proctor sling which is 1". I have a Magpul and several Vickers slings and if I go that direction... I will consider the paraclip.


Normally I'd amend this onto the post I just made, but I want to make sure you get the notification.

You want the Sling Mount Kit Type 1 *and* 2. That will allow you to put QD mounts on either side of the stock, and they secure each other through the stock with a screw:

https://magpul.com/sling-mount-kit-type-1.html?mp_global_color=118
https://magpul.com/sling-mount-kit-type-2.html?mp_global_color=118

They fit in the hole and even have kind of a "tacky" feel around them to ensure they don't move a lot. Technically you only need Type 2, as it comes with the attachment hardware, but I like getting both so they secure each other. It's way simpler than fiddling with the nut they give you. I bought mine at Lanbo's along with pretty much every other SGA accessory they had in stock to take advantage of their flat rate shipping.

I am not finding much other than the magpul part and the one that screws into the stock after tapping. I am not going in the latter direction.

I will order the magpul part and deal with the full rotation. :(

[OldManClemens]

Normally I'd amend this onto the post I just made, but I want to make sure you get the notification.

You want the Sling Mount Kit Type 1 *and* 2. That will allow you to put QD mounts on either side of the stock, and they secure each other through the stock with a screw:

https://magpul.com/sling-mount-kit-type-1.html?mp_global_color=118
https://magpul.com/sling-mount-kit-type-2.html?mp_global_color=118

They fit in the hole and even have kind of a "tacky" feel around them to ensure they don't move a lot. Technically you only need Type 2, as it comes with the attachment hardware, but I like getting both so they secure each other. It's way simpler than fiddling with the nut they give you. I bought mine at Lanbo's along with pretty much every other SGA accessory they had in stock to take advantage of their flat rate shipping.

Aren't these full-rotation though? At least the Magpul part I installed on my SGA stock are, which is why I recommended having the limited rotation mounts installed.

II hated the full-rotation swivels on that stock and jsut thread the sling through the stock instead until I get around to removing the Magpul swivels and tapping the hole and replacing the full-rotation swivels with limited-rotation swivels or paying someone to do it for me.

[destruya]

Yeah, they are full rotation. You'd likely have to figure out some way to alter them to fix it in place, or perhaps even use Rocksett to fix the mount in place (since Red Loctite would be a horrible idea on something that anchors in a polymer stock). You'd still have the ability to minimally reposition the mount then, simply by manipulating the joined metals inside the mounting hole, and separating them would be easy enough in boiling water - just make sure to remove the mounts from the stock first, obviously. >.>

I didn't understand what you meant by "full rotation" until mulling it over a bit more.

[SW CQB 45]

I prefer limited rotation but since the market is thin on what fits in the magpul stocks, I am not sure on the GrovTec without some real world testing/reviews.

Therefore I decided to go Magpul for the time being and deal with the potential of unraveling the sling.

[OldManClemens]

I had no idea that the barrel clamp on the new 1301 Tactical (Gen 2+, Gen 3 or whatever it's being called) has an M-Lok slot. That may solve my light mounting problem, keep the gun less cluttered and easily removed when using the shotgun for classes. I ahve a couple of these M-Lok mounts at home from Arson Machine Co. and will see if they fit when I pick up the rifle on Friday.

And I stayed up late last night finishing reading through this ENTIRE thread. Took me days, but it's full of amazing information about this shotgun! I've already convinced another buddy to get one and his should be in on November 3rd in FDE. FWIW, Sportsman's Warehouse had/still have Gen II FDE and OD Greens in stock.

https://i.imgur.com/Kf9F164h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wJVGZMHl.png

[rob_s]

Got a notification email, that grab-a-gun had them in stock but missed it

https://grabagun.com/beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-18-5-barrel-7-rounds-3-with-ghost-ring-sights.html

[Ed L]

That would have been the perfect off-the-rack shotgun for you and the Mrs., Rob. Perfectly set up right out of the box. Another shipment will come around.

[OldManClemens]

Got a notification email, that grab-a-gun had them in stock but missed it

https://grabagun.com/beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-18-5-barrel-7-rounds-3-with-ghost-ring-sights.html

Looks like they still have the Gen2 Marine version in stock:
https://grabagun.com/catalog/product/view/id/1536016/s/beretta-97/category/2/

[rob_s]

Got a notification email, that grab-a-gun had them in stock but missed it

https://grabagun.com/beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-18-5-barrel-7-rounds-3-with-ghost-ring-sights.html


That would have been the perfect off-the-rack shotgun for you and the Mrs., Rob. Perfectly set up right out of the box. Another shipment will come around.


Looks like they still have the Gen2 Marine version in stock:
https://grabagun.com/catalog/product/view/id/1536016/s/beretta-97/category/2/

Thanks guys, I’ve subsequent,y gotten several other emails about it being in-stock so they must be coming in drips and drabs.

The older I get, the less fiddle fart I want in guns and cars. So I’ll hold out for the nexus of it being in stock and the wife showing interest.

[OldManClemens]

Thanks guys, I’ve subsequent,y gotten several other emails about it being in-stock so they must be coming in drips and drabs.

The older I get, the less fiddle fart I want in guns and cars. So I’ll hold out for the nexus of it being in stock and the wife showing interest.

I’m right there with you. When it comes to firearms and guitars these days if I can’t make it work for me off the rack/out of the box with minimal effort or minimal modifications it’s just not for me and no sense in dumping money into something that’s like trying to pound a round peg into a square hole.

I’ve read through this entire thread over the course of a week and really enjoyed all the mods and changes and flaws people have found which has only led to improvements made is subsequent versions on this shotgun. I pick up my Gen 3 1301 tomorrow and plan on using this shotgun for classes. I be attaching my sling to the swivel mount on the stock (oh, the horror!) and most likely a GG&G clip mount up front. I am not a fan of full rotation QD’s ( and my guess is the QD is full-rotation) and also prefer to utilize the M-Lok section of the stock barrel clamp for a light mount, but have no intention of attempting to reinvent the wheel here and throw a bunch money and aftermarket parts onto this shotgun when, if I’m being honest with myself is more than adequate for my wants/needs and if I can’t shoot it accurately and properly it’s not the shotgun’s fault, it’s my lack of ability. I like to take a new firearm and use it in it’s stock form (or as close to stock as possible) in a class before really adding or changing things around on it.

With all that said I will drop in an Aridus CROM for the Holosun 507C X2 I have waiting once the CROM’s are back in stock .

So the CROM, GG&G front mount and a good sling and I’m GTG.

Apparently Scalarworks is also developing an integrated SYNC mount for the 1301 that should be out “sometime next year”. That will be nice to have another option since The Aridus CROM sells out in seconds every time they’re back in stock.

[trajiiic]

Someone on that font of truth and accuracy, Facebook, claims that Beretta makes the 1301 Tactical in the US to avoid import restrictions and sell it with a magazine extension from the get go. Is this correct?
I would assume they are referring to the factory in Gallatin, TN. Does anyone know for sure?
TIA


I emailed Beretta about this last week. Still no reply.

[destruya]

With all that said I will drop in an Aridus CROM for the Holosun 507C X2 I have waiting once the CROM’s are back in stock .

Be sure to have an in-stock notice set for Big Tex Ordnance as well - they do make you set one for each SKU you're interested in, unfortunately.

[OldManClemens]

Be sure to have an in-stock notice set for Big Tex Ordnance as well - they do make you set one for each SKU you're interested in, unfortunately.

Thanks for the tip! I had ordered from them in the past and have an account and did exactly what you said a few days ago.

[rob_s]

Be sure to have an in-stock notice set for Big Tex Ordnance as well - they do make you set one for each SKU you're interested in, unfortunately.

I’m not seeing the new model. Got a link?

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/search-results/

[destruya]

Oh, and while it's a bit of a tight fit, this case DOES fit the 1301T: https://www.bulldogcases.com/product/hybrid-discreet-tactical-case/

It's an extremely basic case, but it does come with a backpack/shoulder-style strap. I wouldn't recommend buying it from Amazon as there have been reports of it being damaged by folding - it has a rigid backing.


I’m not seeing the new model. Got a link?

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/search-results/

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Big Tex had the Scalarworks item for the 1301T SKUed up. I was just advising him to put the Aridus SKUs he was interested on an in-stock notification at Big Tex. Big Tex seems to get Aridus stuff in even more frequently than Aridus stocks their own website.

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/search-results/?q=aridus

I do have to wonder if Big Tex is going to prioritize making people buy the combo of the ASA adapter and the stock from them, even though the combo isn't a horrible deal by any means.

[rob_s]

Oh, and while it's a bit of a tight fit, this case DOES fit the 1301T: https://www.bulldogcases.com/product/hybrid-discreet-tactical-case/

It's an extremely basic case, but it does come with a backpack/shoulder-style strap. I wouldn't recommend buying it from Amazon as there have been reports of it being damaged by folding - it has a rigid backing.



Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Big Tex had the Scalarworks item for the 1301T SKUed up. I was just advising him to put the Aridus SKUs he was interested on an in-stock notification at Big Tex. Big Tex seems to get Aridus stuff in even more frequently than Aridus stocks their own website.

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/search-results/?q=aridus

I do have to wonder if Big Tex is going to prioritize making people buy the combo of the ASA adapter and the stock from them, even though the combo isn't a horrible deal by any means.

Ah I misunderstood. I thought you were referencing another vendor from which to source the new model with the factory extended tube.

[destruya]

Ah I misunderstood. I thought you were referencing another vendor from which to source the new model with the factory extended tube.

Oh, you mean this: https://firearmsdepot.com/beretta-1301-tactical-12-18-5-bk-pg-3/?variant=131521

Or perhaps this? https://gunprime.com/products/beretta-1301-tactical-12-ga-semi-auto-18-barrel-j131tt18c

Or from a retailer that I can personally vouch for: https://osagecountyguns.com/firearms/shotguns/beretta-j131tt18c.html

[Ef4life]

Hi - I’m new here and this is my first post. I read through this entire thread over a few weeks. A wealth of information. Thank you all for contributing.

Anyways, I’m a gen1 tac owner. I’ve been really happy with it, but I wanted a more dual purpose shotty, so I bought the 26” a400 lite barrel posted way back when. (40% off sale at beretta a few weeks back made it somewhat affordable)

When I took it out to the desert, it’s basically a single shot. It will not cycle the action.

I compared both barrels, 1301t has 2 gas ports, the a400 has a single port drilled, but a simple for a second port that’s not drilled. A400 is on the left.https://i.imgur.com/UqGuw7s.jpg

The exhaust gas springs are also different. The 1301 is a lot heavier. (Top barrel)
https://i.imgur.com/KS7m5yP.jpg

Does anyone have an a400 or a 1301 comp to compare gas ports? If there is one or 2 drilled. I would appreciate any help. I did order a 1301 comp and 1301 tac exhaust gas spring and a few other parts to see if increasing the spring pressure would allow more gas to cycle the action. The recoil spring for the a400 lite and 1301 tac are the same part number so that shouldn’t effect it, but I bought a new recoil spring to have on the shelf just in case.


Just to update this post - i contacted beretta c/s, the barrel should have 2 ports, so I had to send it back for a refund. Great customer service, but it sucks it’s out of stock with no eta on another shipment. So no telling when I can get a replacement. But they gave me a discount code for good for a year so that’s really nice.

[OldManClemens]

Oh, and while it's a bit of a tight fit, this case DOES fit the 1301T: https://www.bulldogcases.com/product/hybrid-discreet-tactical-case/

It's an extremely basic case, but it does come with a backpack/shoulder-style strap. I wouldn't recommend buying it from Amazon as there have been reports of it being damaged by folding - it has a rigid backing.



Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Big Tex had the Scalarworks item for the 1301T SKUed up. I was just advising him to put the Aridus SKUs he was interested on an in-stock notification at Big Tex. Big Tex seems to get Aridus stuff in even more frequently than Aridus stocks their own website.

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/search-results/?q=aridus

I do have to wonder if Big Tex is going to prioritize making people buy the combo of the ASA adapter and the stock from them, even though the combo isn't a horrible deal by any means.

Sorry for the confusion.

I should clarify, I have both Aridus CROM's (standard and Rob Haught versions) in my wishlist and on the mailing list. I also emailed Scalarworks last week and they told me they will be releasing a 1301 integrated SYNC mount sometime next year.

[destruya]

Sorry for the confusion.

I should clarify, I have both Aridus CROM's (standard and Rob Haught versions) in my wishlist and on the mailing list. I also emailed Scalarworks last week and they told me they will be releasing a 1301 integrated SYNC mount sometime next year.

Having them on your wishlist won't notify you when they come back in stock. You have to set another notification for that.

Also bear in mind that when there's a high-traffic item on Big Tex, they put up anti-botter protection to prevent one person from clearing their whole stock out and reselling it. It nearly screwed me over last time in snagging the RH CROM and handguard.

And in case you missed it, there's another handguard option for the 1301T, it's just twice the price of the Aridus: https://www.briley.com/p-64587-briley-3gun-m-lok-handguard-beretta-1301-comp-and-tactical.aspx

This guy's been selling them for less, though: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114087086142?hash=item1a901ec83e:g:JwYAAOSwWkteLwE V

Just bear in mind the Briley handguard has no heat shielding.

[Not HighSpeed]

Thanks for the tip! I had ordered from them in the past and have an account and did exactly what you said a few days ago.

AND if you miss out due to not going to the website fast enough after notification and they are sold out, you have been removed from future email notifications once you’ve been notified. You will have to re add yourself to the email list for said item.

[OldManClemens]

Having them on your wishlist won't notify you when they come back in stock. You have to set another notification for that.

Also bear in mind that when there's a high-traffic item on Big Tex, they put up anti-botter protection to prevent one person from clearing their whole stock out and reselling it. It nearly screwed me over last time in snagging the RH CROM and handguard.

And in case you missed it, there's another handguard option for the 1301T, it's just twice the price of the Aridus: https://www.briley.com/p-64587-briley-3gun-m-lok-handguard-beretta-1301-comp-and-tactical.aspx

This guy's been selling them for less, though: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114087086142?hash=item1a901ec83e:g:JwYAAOSwWkteLwE V

Just bear in mind the Briley handguard has no heat shielding.

Done that as well. Sorry I wasn't more detailed.

As far as the hand guard goes, I'm good. I have no need to replace the stock hand guard or stock, and although I'm probably in the minority, I think both aftermarket options are pretty darn ugly and don't serve any additional purpose that would validate the cost, but not knocking others who have and like them. All I need is the CROM.

[BigKev]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114087086142?hash=item1a901ec83e:g:JwYAAOSwWkteLwE V

I ordered the Briley handguard from these folks and a month later it still hadn't shipped. Several emails later they finally agreed to a refund. I contacted Briley and they confirmed that they do sent product to them. Maybe I just had a bad experience. I was lucky and got in on the last Aridus handguard offering from Big Tex. Actually picked up the black and FDE and decided to go with the black. So I may end up selling the FDE. If I do I will post it here. Not gonna scalp it on Ebay.

[CarlK]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/114087086142?hash=item1a901ec83e:g:JwYAAOSwWkteLwE V

I ordered the Briley handguard from these folks and a month later it still hadn't shipped. Several emails later they finally agreed to a refund. I contacted Briley and they confirmed that they do sent product to them. Maybe I just had a bad experience. I was lucky and got in on the last Aridus handguard offering from Big Tex. Actually picked up the black and FDE and decided to go with the black. So I may end up selling the FDE. If I do I will post it here. Not gonna scalp it on Ebay.

I ordered a Briley handguard from the same eBayer back in January and 60 days later I still hadn’t received it. I ended up getting a refund and ordered directly from Briley.

[OldManClemens]

Can anybody offer some pros and cons of The Holosun HS507C X2 and HS503CU, and which would be the better choice for mounting on a 1301 with a CROM?

I have a new HS507C X2 that just came today, but having second thoughts and considering the HS503CU. The HS503CU has a 65MOA circle compared to the 32 MOA circle on the HS507C X2. The HS503CU is a little heavier (I don't really think that matters to be honest) and has a larger footprint. The HS503CU is less expensive, but I'm not going to make my decision based on that since I have no problem spending more for the HS507C X2 is it's a better choice for this shotgun.

I do have an HS510C on an AR and aside from the large footprint, it's been a fantastic optic.

I do have an astigmatism and other stuff going on that won't allow me to use any red dot or open reflex sight with both eyes open (otherwise I see two images) but when I use the HS510C with my weak side eye closed it's fine.

Here are the two in question:

HS507C X2:

https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/104.html

https://i.imgur.com/5Y96W9Zl.jpg

HS503CU:

https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/137.html

https://i.imgur.com/xWnWiafl.jpg

[destruya]

I ordered a Briley handguard from the same eBayer back in January and 60 days later I still hadn’t received it. I ended up getting a refund and ordered directly from Briley.

Good to know, thanks for sharing your experience. I guess that's the caveat emptor for "saving" $50. =/

[destruya]

Can anybody offer some pros and cons of The Holosun HS507C X2 and HS503CU, and which would be the better choice for mounting on a 1301 with a CROM?

The RMR footprint sights like the 507C-X2 have a 32MOA circle while the Aimpoint footprint sights like the 503 have a 65MOA circle. Both are fine, though some people prefer the 65MOA for buckshot. The only thing I've heard with regards to using 503s on a shotgun is to favor the buttoned SKUs over the dialed.

I personally use a 507C-GR X2 and like it just fine.

[Sharkbite]

"Can anybody offer some pros and cons of The Holosun HS507C X2 and HS503CU, and which would be the better choice for mounting on a 1301 with a CROM? "

I recently got the RH CROM Aimpoint edition and put a HS503cu GR on it and absolutely love the set up. The green is very keen, by the way... The 65MOA circle is the bees knees for buckshot. The CROM is worth the wait, money, and grief to get. This along with the other Aridus goodies really make the 1301 sing.

[OldManClemens]

"Can anybody offer some pros and cons of The Holosun HS507C X2 and HS503CU, and which would be the better choice for mounting on a 1301 with a CROM? "

I recently got the RH CROM Aimpoint edition and put a HS503cu GR on it and absolutely love the set up. The green is very keen, by the way... The 65MOA circle is the bees knees for buckshot. The CROM is worth the wait, money, and grief to get. This along with the other Aridus goodies really make the 1301 sing.

I agree, aside from a good sling, the Aridus CROM and optic are the only real add-ons or upgrades I’m doing.

I’m just a bit torn between those two optics, but with someone with an astigmatism I’m guessing the 507 open reflex sight might be the way to go. I also have a Trijicon RMR low picatinny mount I can use to hold me over until I’m able to get an Aridus CROM.

[Flyboytim]

[QUOTE-Another general question for the thread: since I have the Aridus stock adapter and the SGA stock, which Limbsaver pad would I need to get, or do I really need one since I've heard (and felt) that the stock pad on the SGA stock is pretty nice?[/QUOTE]

I bought a Magpul universal stock pad adapter that Limbsaver makes a pad to fit. That way, I could swap pads with an Allen bolt removal and replacement. Then, I took both the Limbsaver pad and the Magpul pad, and tested them with my most powerful slugs at the range. I couldn’t really tell the difference between the two pads. My 1301 T still sports the Limbsaver pad, and it’s the thicker one of their lineup, as shown in the photo. If I hadn’t already made the purchase, I’d just stick with the equally soft Magpul pad.

[Flyboytim]

Can anybody offer some pros and cons of The Holosun HS507C X2 and HS503CU, and which would be the better choice for mounting on a 1301 with a CROM?

I have a new HS507C X2 that just came today, but having second thoughts and considering the HS503CU. The HS503CU has a 65MOA circle compared to the 32 MOA circle on the HS507C X2. The HS503CU is a little heavier (I don't really think that matters to be honest) and has a larger footprint. The HS503CU is less expensive, but I'm not going to make my decision based on that since I have no problem spending more for the HS507C X2 is it's a better choice for this shotgun.

I do have an HS510C on an AR and aside from the large footprint, it's been a fantastic optic.

I do have an astigmatism and other stuff going on that won't allow me to use any red dot or open reflex sight with both eyes open (otherwise I see two images) but when I use the HS510C with my weak side eye closed it's fine.

Here are the two in question:


HS507C X2:

https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/104.html

https://i.imgur.com/5Y96W9Zl.jpg

HS503CU:

https://holosun.com/index/product/detail/id/137.html

https://i.imgur.com/xWnWiafl.jpg

I know the 507’s are not as robust as the 503’s. Nonetheless, for me, it’s more important to have an uncluttered view of the target area. This photo shows the difference between the thicker walled 503 with its adjustment knobs sticking out, and the thinner walled, less cluttered 507. Also, the 507 has a 32 MOA circle, which I use to address my astigmatism, versus the 503’s 65 MOA circle. In testing with LE133 8 pellet, FliteControl buckshot, the 32 MOA circle makes for a more accurate pattern prediction than does the 65 MOA. I have numerous test pictures of this phenomenon posted here in this thread somewhere that proves it. So far, with nothing through my 1301 but buck and slugs, the 507 has held up fine. 🤓👍

[GearFondler]

[QUOTE-Another general question for the thread: since I have the Aridus stock adapter and the SGA stock, which Limbsaver pad would I need to get, or do I really need one since I've heard (and felt) that the stock pad on the SGA stock is pretty nice?

I bought a Magpul universal stock pad adapter that Limbsaver makes a pad to fit. That way, I could swap pads with an Allen bolt removal and replacement. Then, I took both the Limbsaver pad and the Magpul pad, and tested them with my most powerful slugs at the range. I couldn’t really tell the difference between the two pads. My 1301 T still sports the Limbsaver pad, and it’s the thicker one of their lineup, as shown in the photo. If I hadn’t already made the purchase, I’d just stick with the equally soft Magpul pad.[/QUOTE]Good to know.

I contemplated the swap but never did it. And using proper Push-Pull I realized I didn't even need it since the butt doesn't really impact the shoulder.
But it's nice to be able to tell that silly part of brain that wants to buy every possible upgrade that it's not really a noticeable improvement anyway.

[OldManClemens]

I know the 507’s are not as robust as the 503’s. Nonetheless, for me, it’s more important to have an uncluttered view of the target area. This photo shows the difference between the thicker walled 503 with its adjustment knobs sticking out, and the thinner walled, less cluttered 507. Also, the 507 has a 32 MOA circle, which I use to address my astigmatism, versus the 503’s 65 MOA circle. In testing with LE133 8 pellet, FliteControl buckshot, the 32 MOA circle makes for a more accurate pattern prediction than does the 65 MOA. I have numerous test pictures of this phenomenon posted here in this thread somewhere that proves it. So far, with nothing through my 1301 but buck and slugs, the 507 has held up fine. 🤓👍

Thank you for this.

[Flyboytim]

I understand the best practice of being above board in terms of 922 compliance, but has anyone ever been busted for it?

Although I freely admit this is my unprofessional opinion, I think the most likely scenario of someone being busted for having a mag extension without also “Americanizing” their 1301 Tactical to satisfy the letter of the federal laws to regulate the importation of firearms only with “sporting purposes”, is after a self defense shooting with said 1301. Let’s say some jurisdiction like mine, San Diego, California, has a particularly ambitious DA, that saw an opportunity to make an example out of an otherwise justifiable homicide, by taking to trial someone that used an “illegal gun”, in said homicide. Why make it easy on them?

To me, these importation regulations stem from the GCA of 1934 and 1968, portions of Section 925, and Section 922R, and thus are similar to having a SBS or SBR sans an applicable tax stamp and associated registration. Again, this is just my very humble opinion, and why I installed a Briley tigger group and other 922R American parts on my 1301.

[nalesq]

Although I freely admit this is my unprofessional opinion, I think the most likely scenario of someone being busted for having a mag extension without also “Americanizing” their 1301 Tactical to satisfy the letter of the federal laws to regulate the importation of firearms only with “sporting purposes”, is after a self defense shooting with said 1301. Let’s say some jurisdiction like mine, San Diego, California, has a particularly ambitious DA, that saw an opportunity to make an example out of an otherwise justifiable homicide, by taking to trial someone that used an “illegal gun”, in said homicide. Why make it easy on them?

To me, these importation regulations stem from the GCA of 1934 and 1968, portions of Section 925, and Section 922R, and thus are similar to having a SBS or SBR sans an applicable tax stamp and associated registration. Again, this is just my very humble opinion, and why I installed a Briley tigger group and other 922R American parts on my 1301.

I agree that a self defense gun in particular should be as innocuous as possible, but as a practical matter, only the Feds might be busting someone for 922 compliance, not the local DA.


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[Flyboytim]

I agree that a self defense gun in particular should be as innocuous as possible, but as a practical matter, only the Feds might be busting someone for 922 compliance, not the local DA.

Gosh, I wouldn’t know about that jurisdictional matter for certain. I would think a state DA may have some recourse if he/she thought it would make a difference in a capital case. And I hope you’re right… 👍

[destruya]

All I know is that I made a conscious decision to get the standard-stocked 1301T LE because I wanted my shotgun to look like a shotgun, not an ~assault weapon~ with that scary pistol grip. I do think I'll eventually pick up a Mesa Tactical stock just to have it *available* to me, but the idea of swapping out stocks and having to clean the threadlocker out of the sockets with acetone doesn't sound particularly fun.

And no, "just buy another 1301T" isn't an option for me. >.>

[Lon]

I agree that a self defense gun in particular should be as innocuous as possible, but as a practical matter, only the Feds might be busting someone for 922 compliance, not the local DA.


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The percentage of local/state cops that would know anything about 922r compliance is probably on the order of .001%.

[OlongJohnson]

Although I freely admit this is my unprofessional opinion, I think the most likely scenario of someone being busted for having a mag extension without also “Americanizing” their 1301 Tactical to satisfy the letter of the federal laws to regulate the importation of firearms only with “sporting purposes”, is after a self defense shooting with said 1301. Let’s say some jurisdiction like mine, San Diego, California, has a particularly ambitious DA, that saw an opportunity to make an example out of an otherwise justifiable homicide, by taking to trial someone that used an “illegal gun”, in said homicide. Why make it easy on them?

To me, these importation regulations stem from the GCA of 1934 and 1968, portions of Section 925, and Section 922R, and thus are similar to having a SBS or SBR sans an applicable tax stamp and associated registration. Again, this is just my very humble opinion, and why I installed a Briley tigger group and other 922R American parts on my 1301.

That's pretty much how I see it. The Briley trigger costs about the same as an hour of time from a decent lawyer.

[Phaedrus]

Drats! The local Bob Ward's had a good price on the Sig Romeo5 so I picked up one. But two of the pot metal screws stripped their heads when I tried to remove it from the high mount.:p I guess I'll have to try to contact Sig.

Well, instead of dicking around with the stripped threads I just ordered an H-1 today from Aimpoint. We'll see how that works out!

[SW CQB 45]

Just to update this post - i contacted beretta c/s, the barrel should have 2 ports, so I had to send it back for a refund. Great customer service, but it sucks it’s out of stock with no eta on another shipment. So no telling when I can get a replacement. But they gave me a discount code for good for a year so that’s really nice.

they cant drill it?

[Flyboytim]

That's pretty much how I see it. The Briley trigger costs about the same as an hour of time from a decent lawyer.

And I’ve since stolen your quote about the “hour of time from a decent lawyer”….

[OlongJohnson]

Just to update this post - i contacted beretta c/s, the barrel should have 2 ports, so I had to send it back for a refund. Great customer service, but it sucks it’s out of stock with no eta on another shipment. So no telling when I can get a replacement. But they gave me a discount code for good for a year so that’s really nice.

Should've had them send you a 28-inch A400 barrel so you could use the gun until they could come up with a replacement Tac barrel.

[OldManClemens]

Picked up my 1301 this evening, the newer 7+1 version.

Initial impressions are it's a very nice shotgun, but only previously owning a Mossberg 590A1, the Beretta feels like a toy. It doesn't feel cheap, but I will say I do feel a bit skeptical it will handle the abuse that shotguns dish out, but obviously know it's more than capable.

Messed around with different sling mount options with the Vickers padded sling. Initially wanted to mount an Arson Machine Co. M-Lok mount to the OEM barrel clamp's M-Lok slot, but that was a no-go because the QD mount on the barrel clamp is in the way. Ended up installing the GG&G rail that installs over the mag tube and it looks great. Almost like it was a factory part.

I tried a GG&G clip mount that installs between the stock and receiver but that canted the shotgun out and away from me when slung, and didn't like that at all, so I removed it and am instead using the swivel that's integrated into the stock.

I should also note that a Magpul QDM will NOT fit in the QD mount that's on the OEM barrel clamp. For whatever reason it just wont stay in, but a normal QD does. I really wish Beretta would have made the QD on the barrel clamp limited rotation, but they didn't so it is what it is.

I'll try and take some pictures tomorrow after work when there's natural light. overall it's a very nice shotgun. I may add one of the included spacers since the LOP feels a little short for me, but it also does make the shotgun very maneuverable (I'm 6'2). The 1301 does feel a bit like a toy compared to the 590A1, but I'm sure it will be a welcome change running the Beretta in a multi-day class compared to the 590A1. Sadly, that won't be happening until the spring.

[Ef4life]

they cant drill it?

I’m sure it could be drilled, but being chrome lined the possibility of it chipping out is most likely the reason. If they would have refunded me and let me keep it I would have found a smith to drill it.

[Ef4life]

Should've had them send you a 28-inch A400 barrel so you could use the gun until they could come up with a replacement Tac barrel.

My tac barrel is fine, it’s the a400 barrel I bought that was not drilled for the second gas port. I was hoping to have the a400 barrel for the late dove season but oh well.

That said I am planning on getting another tac barrel for a project if they ever sell the gen2 threaded ones, I’ve only been able to find the non threaded.

[OldManClemens]

Solved my light mounting issue. I prefer a "less is more" approach, not into expensive lights, wires, pads/switches, etc.. Originally installed a GG&G Flashlight Picatinny Rail Mount that slipped over the magazine tube, but found a small piece of picatinny rail in my parts bin that fit perfectly in the m-lok slot on the stock barrel clamp, and mounted a GG&G Flashlight Mounting Ring to it.

https://i.imgur.com/fWqLEEQl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1vB2FQrl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4tnAmYXl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/U7tO5qWl.jpg

[feudist]

Although I freely admit this is my unprofessional opinion, I think the most likely scenario of someone being busted for having a mag extension without also “Americanizing” their 1301 Tactical to satisfy the letter of the federal laws to regulate the importation of firearms only with “sporting purposes”, is after a self defense shooting with said 1301. Let’s say some jurisdiction like mine, San Diego, California, has a particularly ambitious DA, that saw an opportunity to make an example out of an otherwise justifiable homicide, by taking to trial someone that used an “illegal gun”, in said homicide. Why make it easy on them?

To me, these importation regulations stem from the GCA of 1934 and 1968, portions of Section 925, and Section 922R, and thus are similar to having a SBS or SBR sans an applicable tax stamp and associated registration. Again, this is just my very humble opinion, and why I installed a Briley tigger group and other 922R American parts on my 1301.

Imagine the joy, the absolute GLEE, of the media, the STASI and the local hucksters if you blew a rathole through some aspiring rappers chest with an "Illegal" shotgun.

It could make the Trayvon/Miichael Brown/Floyd circuses look like sober deliberation.

No thanks.It could be bad enough without my help.

[Ed L]

Imagine the joy, the absolute GLEE, of the media, the STASI and the local hucksters if you blew a rathole through some aspiring rappers chest with an "Illegal" shotgun.

It could make the Trayvon/Miichael Brown/Floyd circuses look like sober deliberation.

No thanks.It could be bad enough without my help.

Shooting someone who breaks into your house is a hell of a lot different than the other situations you mentioned. It's about as far of the justification spectrum as you can get. It's a lot harder for them to argue against you defending yourself against a home invasion unless you do something incredibly stupid that takes it out of the justified category.

A Beretta 1301 with an extended magazine added would look exactly like the a factory Beretta 1301 now comes with.

[OldManClemens]

Here's an even simpler light mount. Just clipped a rail light to the m-lok piece I installed in the stock barrel clamp. I think I prefer this over the GG&G mount because that one has a tendency to come loose unless you Loctite it. I prefer to be able to easily remove and install the light.

https://i.imgur.com/6rCcsunl.jpg

[rob_s]

Reading, and posting in, this thread has me Re-thinking the new model.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50271-Rethinking-my-Wife-s-HD-gun

I recall from days gone by that one of the reasons I sold my Winchester pump and kept by 870P was that the 870p has a one-shot extension and even for me, the less p-forward weight was easier to deal with, and I liked the “swing” better with the lighter front end.

With an eye towards my wife being able to use this gun, I may want to stick to the shorter mag tube just to make it easier for her to handle. She’s used to her A300 which obviously has a shorter tube AND only ever has one shell on the tube, but then again the longer barrel creates a longer moment arm…

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences around this idea with “weaker” or less experienced shooters and shotguns?

I’m really pretty unconcerned about running out of ammo, but as they say “more ammo is only bad if you’re drowning or on fire”. :p

[OldManClemens]

Reading, and posting in, this thread has me Re-thinking the new model.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50271-Rethinking-my-Wife-s-HD-gun

I recall from days gone by that one of the reasons I sold my Winchester pump and kept by 870P was that the 870p has a one-shot extension and even for me, the less p-forward weight was easier to deal with, and I liked the “swing” better with the lighter front end.

With an eye towards my wife being able to use this gun, I may want to stick to the shorter mag tube just to make it easier for her to handle. She’s used to her A300 which obviously has a shorter tube AND only ever has one shell on the tube, but then again the longer barrel creates a longer moment arm…

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences around this idea with “weaker” or less experienced shooters and shotguns?

I’m really pretty unconcerned about running out of ammo, but as they say “more ammo is only bad if you’re drowning or on fire”. :p

With the overall weight of the 1301 being less than most other popular semi-autos I really think you may be reading into it and thinking about it too much. Will it make the shotgun lighter to have 2 less rounds and a shorter tube? Of course. Will it be a night and day difference? I personally don't think so and would rather deal with all that extra weight to have 2 ore in the tube. We're not talking about swing weight and feel for shooting clays or anything, it's a tactical shotgun, right?

[rob_s]

With the overall weight of the 1301 being less than most other popular semi-autos I really think you may be reading into it and thinking about it too much. Will it make the shotgun lighter to have 2 less rounds and a shorter tube? Of course. Will it be a night and day difference? I personally don't think so and would rather deal with all that extra weight to have 2 ore in the tube. We're not talking about swing weight and feel for shooting clays or anything, it's a tactical shotgun, right?

Which is why I’m interested in hearing from others that may have some hands on with both (all three?) models that can offer some real-world feedback.

My concern, and again from personal experience, has more to do with basic gunhandling and potential for one-handed support than with overall weight.

Also, it’s just two rounds, but it’s also. Ore tube, and those rounds and tube are about as far away from the pistol grip as they can be, making the lever arm much greater, making the effort to hold much greater.

My thinking is leaning towards “I can always add more tube to the old version if I want to” vs buying. Ore tube now and finding it’s too heavy for her. I suppose would could also always download the longer tube at that point.

Additionally, with new(er shooters) and especially female new(er) shooters, initial perception is everything and I know from selling guns that if a new female shooter picks up a gun and instantly hates it or finds fault with it (even if it’s something stupid like the color), it’s a very long road to correct that issue, even if it’s a misconception.

I’ve got one shot at getting a 1301 into the house!

ETA:
Kinda funny that Beretta doesn’t seem to list weights for any of these…

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/a300-family/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-tactical/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-shotguns/

[OldManClemens]

Which is why I’m interested in hearing from others that may have some hands on with both (all three?) models that can offer some real-world feedback.

My concern, and again from personal experience, has more to do with basic gunhandling and potential for one-handed support than with overall weight.

Also, it’s just two rounds, but it’s also. Ore tube, and those rounds and tube are about as far away from the pistol grip as they can be, making the lever arm much greater, making the effort to hold much greater.

My thinking is leaning towards “I can always add more tube to the old version if I want to” vs buying. Ore tube now and finding it’s too heavy for her. I suppose would could also always download the longer tube at that point.

Additionally, with new(er shooters) and especially female new(er) shooters, initial perception is everything and I know from selling guns that if a new female shooter picks up a gun and instantly hates it or finds fault with it (even if it’s something stupid like the color), it’s a very long road to correct that issue, even if it’s a misconception.

I’ve got one shot at getting a 1301 into the house!

ETA:
Kinda funny that Beretta doesn’t seem to list weights for any of these…

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/a300-family/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-tactical/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-shotguns/

You make great points, especially about first impressions and female shooters.

I also see both sides of the argument of, “it’s only 2 more rounds”, but then again, that’s also a 40% increase in capacity of the mag tube with just 2 more rounds.

Sounds like for your specific situation the best thing would be to get the 5+1 version, then you have options. Get the wife into it with the one she prefers the feel and look of, and then later in might be able to add that +2 extension if you want. Can’t rally do that if you go straight for the 7+1 version from the get-go.

[peterb]

Also, it’s just two rounds, but it’s also. Ore tube, and those rounds and tube are about as far away from the pistol grip as they can be, making the lever arm much greater, making the effort to hold much greater. ]

No 1301 experience, but from handling Mossberg pumps:

1) I was surprised by the difference in balance between the 5-shot 18.5” and 7-shot 20” models. The slightly longer version felt MUCH more muzzle-heavy.

2) My experience with smaller/weaker shooters and long guns is that balance is more important than weight. A muzzle-heavy gun will tend to push them into a bad rearward-leaning stance, which makes shooting even more uncomfortable.

[OldManClemens]

No 1301 experience, but from handling Mossberg pumps:

1) I was surprised by the difference in balance between the 5-shot 18.5” and 7-shot 20” models. The slightly longer version felt MUCH more muzzle-heavy.

2) My experience with smaller/weaker shooters and long guns is that balance is more important than weight. A muzzle-heavy gun will tend to push them into a bad rearward-leaning stance, which makes shooting even more uncomfortable.

I can attest to this. My 20” 590A1 does feel way more muzzle heavy. This is comparing both shotguns unloaded. It’s the difference between driving a dump truck and a sports car.

[Quasimojo45]

I installed the +1 tube based on my past experience with tactical shotguns and the "nose heavy" situation. I have NOT handled a 1301 with a +2 tube.
I find my 1301 with the +1 to be amazing to manage.

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BTW, I have no experience with hunting or sporting shotguns so I'm probably not the voice you're looking for. :cool:

[RancidSumo]

Which is why I’m interested in hearing from others that may have some hands on with both (all three?) models that can offer some real-world feedback.

My concern, and again from personal experience, has more to do with basic gunhandling and potential for one-handed support than with overall weight.

Also, it’s just two rounds, but it’s also. Ore tube, and those rounds and tube are about as far away from the pistol grip as they can be, making the lever arm much greater, making the effort to hold much greater.

My thinking is leaning towards “I can always add more tube to the old version if I want to” vs buying. Ore tube now and finding it’s too heavy for her. I suppose would could also always download the longer tube at that point.

Additionally, with new(er shooters) and especially female new(er) shooters, initial perception is everything and I know from selling guns that if a new female shooter picks up a gun and instantly hates it or finds fault with it (even if it’s something stupid like the color), it’s a very long road to correct that issue, even if it’s a misconception.

I’ve got one shot at getting a 1301 into the house!

ETA:
Kinda funny that Beretta doesn’t seem to list weights for any of these…

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/a300-family/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-tactical/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-shotguns/

FWIW, my 1301T with Magpul stock, factory handguard, Modlite, Vang shell card with 6 shells on the side, sling, T2, Nordic 2 round extension, and 7 rounds of 00 buck in the tube weighs in under 9 pounds. Without the shell card it is ~8.2. I would not worry about the weight of the longer extension. Worst case scenario, only load 5 in the tube.

[WobblyPossum]

Which is why I’m interested in hearing from others that may have some hands on with both (all three?) models that can offer some real-world feedback.

My concern, and again from personal experience, has more to do with basic gunhandling and potential for one-handed support than with overall weight.

Also, it’s just two rounds, but it’s also. Ore tube, and those rounds and tube are about as far away from the pistol grip as they can be, making the lever arm much greater, making the effort to hold much greater.

My thinking is leaning towards “I can always add more tube to the old version if I want to” vs buying. Ore tube now and finding it’s too heavy for her. I suppose would could also always download the longer tube at that point.

Additionally, with new(er shooters) and especially female new(er) shooters, initial perception is everything and I know from selling guns that if a new female shooter picks up a gun and instantly hates it or finds fault with it (even if it’s something stupid like the color), it’s a very long road to correct that issue, even if it’s a misconception.

I’ve got one shot at getting a 1301 into the house!

ETA:
Kinda funny that Beretta doesn’t seem to list weights for any of these…

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/a300-family/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-tactical/

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/1301-shotguns/

Couldn’t you buy the current 7 shot version and remove the +2 extension, replacing it with the regular magazine tube cap, if your wife finds the +2 too heavy?

[OldManClemens]

Couldn’t you buy the current 7 shot version and remove the +2 extension, replacing it with the regular magazine tube cap, if your wife finds the +2 too heavy?

I’m not sure it’s an extension, and is just a 7 capacity mag tube.

[Ed L]

Isn't most of the extended tube going to be filled with compressed magazine spring that would've otherwise been in the front of the regular magazine tube f the extended tube was not there?

This isn't like a shotgun for shooting moving skeet or sporting clays where balance is so critical. On the other hand if you loaded it up with things like a light and a side saddle, it could feel clunky in its intended role to someone without a lot of upper body strength who normally runs a sporting clay type gun.

I would go with the extended magazine as available from the factory just to have a more capable home defense weapon that holds more ammo. In a worst case you can only load it with 5-6 rounds and one ghost loaded if your wife initially does not like the balance. It gives you the option to increase the number of rounds On board at a later time. This is a worst-case scenario home defense weapon that might need to stand against multiple home invaders. When you factor in multiple attackers, possible misses, even people who may need to be shot more than once, a seven round magazine capacity is much more comforting and useful. I can't imagine getting into a home defense situation where you only have to fire three or four rounds and then get upset at the weight of the 3-4 extra rounds that you didn't need to fire..

Having said the above, comfort and peace of mind of the end user is a paramount factor. So if that means going with a five round magazine because it feels better to the person, or because the person is more comfortable with it because of the infinitesimal chance that they feel they might get in trouble for our 922.r issue-- even though shotguns identical to that are being sold from the factory. In that case I guess a five shot standard magazine would be the solution.

[Ed L]

I think my 1301 was a gray market model because it came from the factory with the magazine extension before such things were commonplace. I took it shooting in that configuration and really liked the feel and the balance of it. I didn't notice any problem with the balance when the magazine was fully loaded. Then I had the Magpul stock added and really appreciated the shorter length of pull and compactness (I run the stock with one spacer in it), as well as the wider and thicker recoil pad on the Magpul stock and its role in softening the recoil. I find that it balances and maneuvers quicker this way, though someone taller with longer arms could legitimately feel differently.

I have the Crom Aimpoint mount, so if/when my hand heals from surgery, I am going to get an Aimpoint H2 with a 6 MOA dot to try on it. I like the slim profile of the shotgun without the optic, but it is certainly worth a little more bulk for a lot more capability.

[WobblyPossum]

I’m not sure it’s an extension, and is just a 7 capacity mag tube.

I just checked the website listing for the latest generation of 1301 and it looks like you’re correct. The page says it’s a “one piece” magazine tube. I had assumed it used the same setup as the previous generation with a 5 round tube and +2 extension.

[OldManClemens]

https://i.imgur.com/J8bENBLh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0zQSNUUh.jpg

[HeavyDuty]

Well, instead of dicking around with the stripped threads I just ordered an H-1 today from Aimpoint. We'll see how that works out!

Was that from the sale email they sent out? I saw that and was tempted - $475 seems really good for a H-1. I decided I really prefer the idea of the 65 MOA ring.

[Phaedrus]

Was that from the sale email they sent out? I saw that and was tempted - $475 seems really good for a H-1. I decided I really prefer the idea of the 65 MOA ring.

Yeah, they offered it last month but sold out while I sat on my hands. Once they restocked I decided to jump on it. IIRC the H-1 is similar to a T-1 but not as overbuilt/rugged (and lacks the protected turrets). I have a couple other Aimpoints and have been satisfied with them so I think the H-1 is a safe bet even if there's not a ton of info out there on it.

[Ed L]

I just checked the website listing for the latest generation of 1301 and it looks like you’re correct. The page says it’s a “one piece” magazine tube. I had assumed it used the same setup as the previous generation with a 5 round tube and +2 extension.

The page may say that it's one piece but given the 1301's construction, I don't see how that's possible.

[kilrain]

The page may say that it's one piece but given the 1301's construction, I don't see how that's possible.

I have one, it's possible because the visible portion of the magazine that you see is just a cover used to tension the barrel to the receiver. Inside that cover and down through the hand guard to the receiver runs a one piece, steel magazine tube.

[rob_s]

Isn't most of the extended tube going to be filled with compressed magazine spring that would've otherwise been in the front of the regular magazine tube f the extended tube was not there?
Yes, but regardless there’s still more weight more forward. Every ounce you add, further away, is going to *feel* magnified. Like trying to lift a shiver with one hand at the end of the handle vs up close to the blade.


This isn't like a shotgun for shooting moving skeet or sporting clays where balance is so critical. On the other hand if you loaded it up with things like a light and a side saddle, it could feel clunky in its intended role to someone without a lot of upper body strength who normally runs a sporting clay type gun.

This I get, for sure. I’ve not spent a ton of time with shotguns, never did take any shotgun classes back when I was collecting merit badges, but I’ve spent a little time with them running drills or even some side matches (whole damn match got their asses handed to them one time by a 50-something unassuming Asian dude running the piss out of an old side-by-side, so there’s that…). But the two factors that give me pause are (1) those dang initial impressions and (c) manipulations moreso than room clearing (I kid, I kid).


I would go with the extended magazine as available from the factory just to have a more capable home defense weapon that holds more ammo. In a worst case you can only load it with 5-6 rounds and one ghost loaded if your wife initially does not like the balance. It gives you the option to increase the number of rounds On board at a later time.
Makes some sense. Maybe even sneak those two extra rounds in later. :p


This is a worst-case scenario home defense weapon that might need to stand against multiple home invaders. When you factor in multiple attackers, possible misses, even people who may need to be shot more than once, a seven round magazine capacity is much more comforting and useful. I can't imagine getting into a home defense situation where you only have to fire three or four rounds and then get upset at the weight of the 3-4 extra rounds that you didn't need to fire..
Without rehashing the whole “my perception of self-defense has changed over the years to be different than most here”, thing again, it’s worth noting that I see more than just “shoot people” as a value in a self-defense gun, and frank,y some part of that is “security blanket”, at which point we come back to the user needing to be willing to grad/shoot the gun in order to feel comforted by it. Again, maybe I sneak the extra shells back in later.

-or-

Since she’s comfortable loading the tube, get a side saddle or butt cuff that outs the weight in a more manageable location vs way out at the end of the lever arm.


Having said the above, comfort and peace of mind of the end user is a paramount factor. So if that means going with a five round magazine because it feels better to the person, or because the person is more comfortable with it because of the infinitesimal chance that they feel they might get in trouble for our 922.r issue-- even though shotguns identical to that are being sold from the factory. In that case I guess a five shot standard magazine would be the solution.

I’m pretty unconcerned about the 922 issue. I figure there will be some massive legislation and confiscation before someone comes and opens my bedroom safe and says “you are missing 1 American-made part. Jail!”

As a general note, I’m aware that I’m “overthinking” all of this, but frankly it’s not hurting anything at the moment. Me deciding between a 5-round vs 7-round tube isn’t the go/no-go on this purchase. It’s timing. So I can sit here and have a though-experiment all day long and it’s not an analysis paralysis issue putting us in danger or whatever.

Eventually what’s likely to happen is that I’ll be presented with the opportunity to buy one or the o other in person and ultimately THAT will be the deciding factor. 5 shells in hand is worth 7 stuck in an online shop availability notification email :p

And in the meantime I’d still like to hear peoples perceptions of actual use of the two models, or the effect on front-heaviness of adding the +2 tube on the 5-shot model.

[Ed L]

Yes, but regardless there’s still more weight more forward. Every ounce you add, further away, is going to *feel* magnified. Like trying to lift a shiver with one hand at the end of the handle vs up close to the blade.

I'm looking at my Beretta 1301. If you blindfolded me and handed me one Beretta 1301 that had the extended mag and another that did not I doubt I could tell the difference by feel or balance. I am not even sure that I could tell the difference by feel if one was loaded with five rounds and another was loaded with seven rounds.

Here's a picture of the extended mag of mine under the barrel. Because of the layout/design of the gun it doesn't seem to take up much space compared to models that have a magazine cap and a 5 round capacity.

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Makes some sense. Maybe even sneak those two extra rounds in later. :p

If you sneak the shotgun in first, sneaking in those extra two rounds will be easy :p



Without rehashing the whole “my perception of self-defense has changed over the years to be different than most here”, thing again, it’s worth noting that I see more than just “shoot people” as a value in a self-defense gun, and frank,y some part of that is “security blanket”, at which point we come back to the user needing to be willing to grad/shoot the gun in order to feel comforted by it. Again, maybe I sneak the extra shells back in later.

I look at it in terms of price and availability and as it applies to this specific shotgun in its design. The two round extended magazine blends in well with the design and doesn't feel like it alters the balance significantly. If the extra two rounds made the shotgun cost twice as much, I would say go with the five round version. But now the seven round version is available for the same price, so I would go with extra rounds-- especially since you wouldn't have to be on waiting lists for the magazine extension, with the alternative to buy them at an inflated price from people who purchased them for speculation like crypto-currency.



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Since she’s comfortable loading the tube, get a side saddle or butt cuff that outs the weight in a more manageable location vs way out at the end of the lever arm.

I would think that loading from a side saddle or butt cuff while balancing the shotgun would be a whole different set of loading manipulations that she would have to learn. A side saddle or about cuff would be super easy accessories that could be added later. But That gets back to the issue of if the potential threat is serious enough to need to carry extra ammo on board to reload it's probably serious enough to have a magazine extension that let you fire next round or two before you need to reload.



I’m pretty unconcerned about the 922 issue. I figure there will be some massive legislation and confiscation before someone comes and opens my bedroom safe and says “you are missing 1 American-made part. Jail!”

That was directed at some posters up thread who were concerned about the 922 issues. The bottom line being if you are that much more comfortable with the five round version, then buy the five round version.


As a general note, I’m aware that I’m “overthinking” all of this, but frankly it’s not hurting anything at the moment. Me deciding between a 5-round vs 7-round tube isn’t the go/no-go on this purchase. It’s timing. So I can sit here and have a though-experiment all day long and it’s not an analysis paralysis issue putting us in danger or whatever.

Eventually what’s likely to happen is that I’ll be presented with the opportunity to buy one or the o other in person and ultimately THAT will be the deciding factor. 5 shells in hand is worth 7 stuck in an online shop availability notification email :p

I think your buying strategy based on availability makes a lot of sense given the limited availability of 1301s.

We are quite lucky to have the choices available to us. I can imagine someone living in New York City where you need a license to own a long arm and any long arms with a magazine capacity over five rounds are prohibited and considered an assault weapons. In a situation like that the Beretta 1301 would be the apex home defense long arm and anyone living there would be overjoyed to get it.

[OldManClemens]

As a general note, I’m aware that I’m “overthinking” all of this, but frankly it’s not hurting anything at the moment. Me deciding between a 5-round vs 7-round tube isn’t the go/no-go on this purchase. It’s timing. So I can sit here and have a though-experiment all day long and it’s not an analysis paralysis issue putting us in danger or whatever.

Eventually what’s likely to happen is that I’ll be presented with the opportunity to buy one or the o other in person and ultimately THAT will be the deciding factor. 5 shells in hand is worth 7 stuck in an online shop availability notification email :p

And in the meantime I’d still like to hear peoples perceptions of actual use of the two models, or the effect on front-heaviness of adding the +2 tube on the 5-shot model.

I waited well over a year to get the opportunity to pick up one of these. Never in stock locally, crazy high prices on Gunbroker combined with insane trader fees here at a lot of shops to discourage people from doing it beaus it's not really worth the shops time. Then had a friend let me know they just got two of the new 7+1 1301 Tactical in stock and drove down and bought one and while I was there another guy was finishing up paperwork on the other one. they do not last long! I paid full retail for my 7+1. Then the very next day after buying mine SPortsman's Warehouse had both the greed and FDE colors ion stock (Gen2, 5+1 versions). I would have preferred the green and would have been nice to pay a little less (they were selling them for $1,098 I think). But then again, after buying the nordic components extension and what not it would have been a little closer in price, and I'm not going to complain or lose any sleep for not saving $100 in the end or not getting my first color choice. Front end feel and swing weight were the least of my concerns and was jsut happy to actually have the opportunity to be able to own one. But with that said, everyone has their own list of wants/needs, but I do feel like many of us spend way too much time on the keyboard scoring the internet, reading posts and watching Youtube videos and get sucked down into the rabbit hole and start to lose sight of what's really important. I mean, go back through this thread and you'll see people nit-picking sling stud locations, this or that, when in reality the one thing that will probably make us all better at running the firearm is straight up practice and repetition, not saving a few ounces or trying to rationalize weight savings by having two less rounds in the magazine tube. While many of us will actually be putting the shotgun through it's paces in classes the overwhelming majority of us will probably not even use it that much, occasionally shoot paper or steel with it, probably wont every dry practice with it at home and get better at loading and manipulating the shotgun more efficiently, because for many that's not as fun as staying in front of a piece of paper, cans or a watermelon and shooting it. Yet the same people probably agonize over which sling or QD attachment they should go with, or will upgrade the snot out of it, spending hundreds on aftermarket stocks and forends, but don't put the time in to actually train.

[Clusterfrack]

…many of us spend way too much time on the keyboard scoring the internet, reading posts and watching Youtube videos and get sucked down into the rabbit hole and start to lose sight of what's really important. I mean, go back through this thread and you'll see people nit-picking sling stud locations, this or that …the same people probably agonize over which sling or QD attachment they should go with, or will upgrade the snot out of it, spending hundreds on aftermarket stocks and forends, but don't put the time in to actually train.

Pistol-Forum is a place for people who are serious about training and practice.

If you want to make a statement about needing to train more, I recommend limiting it to your own experience.

[OldManClemens]

Pistol-Forum is a place for people who are serious about training and practice.

If you want to make a statement about needing to train more, I recommend limiting it to your own experience.

Sounds like you thought I was singling specific people out, or targeting you personally. Was not what I was saying. it was an overall, generalized statement and just giving a different perspective on things. No need to take it personal because it wasnt directed at you specifically or anyone else in particular, anyone on this forum, etc.

Just log onto Reddit (not sure why anyone would though) or any of the other myriad of forums out there and my point will be validated. By no means am I even saying I'm superior to anyone, because that's far from the truth. I have a lot to learn and embrace that and for me that's the enjoyable part of training, especially coming into this later in life and didn't grow up with firearms. But for many it's about throwing the credit card down, modding, "upgrading", etc., and they have the right to do that, but when they can't operate the firearm and then complain or wonder why it isn't performing and then try to blame the equipment and think that the next mod or "upgrade" will solve their problem then yes, they need to train more instead.

[Clusterfrack]

Sounds like you thought I was singling specific people out, of targeting you personally. Was not what I was saying. it was an overall, generalized statement. No need to take it personal because it wasnt directed at you specifically or anyone else in particular, anyone on this forum etc.

LOL, no. I didn't think you were singling me out. This thread is closing in on 5000 posts, and is a good example of what is so great about our Forum. We do burrow down gear-related rabbit holes, but usually with good reason. Fortunately we have numerous subject matter experts here to guide us.

[Kennylifit]

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the great posts to date on this thread. New member on this forum and has a wealth of info.

While I wait for the Aridus magpul handguard anyone have a black stock forend they would consider letting go?

Thanks again

[Cory]

Hi - I’m new here and this is my first post. I read through this entire thread over a few weeks. A wealth of information. Thank you all for contributing.

Anyways, I’m a gen1 tac owner. I’ve been really happy with it, but I wanted a more dual purpose shotty, so I bought the 26” a400 lite barrel posted way back when. (40% off sale at beretta a few weeks back made it somewhat affordable)

When I took it out to the desert, it’s basically a single shot. It will not cycle the action.

I compared both barrels, 1301t has 2 gas ports, the a400 has a single port drilled, but a simple for a second port that’s not drilled. A400 is on the left.https://i.imgur.com/UqGuw7s.jpg

The exhaust gas springs are also different. The 1301 is a lot heavier. (Top barrel)
https://i.imgur.com/KS7m5yP.jpg

Does anyone have an a400 or a 1301 comp to compare gas ports? If there is one or 2 drilled. I would appreciate any help. I did order a 1301 comp and 1301 tac exhaust gas spring and a few other parts to see if increasing the spring pressure would allow more gas to cycle the action. The recoil spring for the a400 lite and 1301 tac are the same part number so that shouldn’t effect it, but I bought a new recoil spring to have on the shelf just in case.

Even though this didn't cycle properly, likely due to the gas port error you're having fixed, the fact an A400 lite barrel actually fits on the 1301 is pretty awesome. Ine of the most exciting things to come outof this thread I'd say. The idea that with a barrel that doesn't have a QC error it might even function... that's cool too.

Do happen to have a photo with the A400 lite installed prior to you sending it off?

[Ef4life]

Even though this didn't cycle properly, likely due to the gas port error you're having fixed, the fact an A400 lite barrel actually fits on the 1301 is pretty awesome. Ine of the most exciting things to come outof this thread I'd say. The idea that with a barrel that doesn't have a QC error it might even function... that's cool too.

Do happen to have a photo with the A400 lite installed prior to you sending it off?
5 shot
https://i.imgur.com/ile9MUT.jpg
Nordic +2
https://i.imgur.com/hfI4BEJ.jpg
Nordic +6
https://i.imgur.com/1lEmtRp.jpg

Extended black choke and +6
https://i.imgur.com/cYDx18f.jpg

[Tex68w]

I ordered a few LTT's so I'll be selling my OD Green Gen 2.

Here's a link to my listing: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/beretta-1301-tactical-gen-2.7097926/

[destruya]

Just wanted to say thanks for all of the great posts to date on this thread. New member on this forum and has a wealth of info.

While I wait for the Aridus magpul handguard anyone have a black stock forend they would consider letting go?

Thanks again

Keep an eye on websites like Midwest Gun Works, they sell a fair amount of Beretta spare parts. I can't imagine many people would part with their stock forend simply due to the potential for warranty service or repair. =/

[Ed L]

The Aimpoint H2 with the 6 MOA dot came in. I mounted it on the 1301 with the 1301's factory mount and I really love it. The 6MOA dot is super quick to pick up and is perfect for a shotgun with buck shot. I can see it being fine for rifle slugs at 50-100 yards. Throwing the gun to my shoulder, I pick up the dot quickly with the gun mounted on my shoulder and my cheek on the stock. If I try hard I can see the factory front and rear sights through the Aimpoint, but I can't see ever firing it like that. Considering that it's a shotgun most likely loaded with buckshot if I ever needed the gun and brought brought the gun up to eye level and did not see the dot, I would just fire it using the aim point tube as a rear aperture.

From what I understand, the Aimpoint will not stay mounted on the factory 1301 Rail and needs the Aridus CROM mount. I have one of those and I'm going to need to take it to a gunsmith or someone to be professionally mounted since I'm recovering from hand surgery so it will be a while before I can fire the 1301 again. Right now the only handguns that I can comfortably handle or my Gen 2 Glock 17 and 19 since the groups are smooth.

Here is a picture of the Aimpoint mounted on my 1301 with the factory rail.

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[Ed L]

I created a meme that I felt would perfectly sum up the way that I view the Beretta 1301.

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[RancidSumo]

The Aimpoint H2 with the 6 MOA dot came in. I mounted it on the 1301 with the 1301's factory mount and I really love it. The 6MOA dot is super quick to pick up and is perfect for a shotgun with buck shot. I can see it being fine for rifle slugs at 50-100 yards. Throwing the gun to my shoulder, I pick up the dot quickly with the gun mounted on my shoulder and my cheek on the stock. If I try hard I can see the factory front and rear sights through the Aimpoint, but I can't see ever firing it like that. Considering that it's a shotgun most likely loaded with buckshot if I ever needed the gun and brought brought the gun up to eye level and did not see the dot, I would just fire it using the aim point tube as a rear aperture.

From what I understand, the Aimpoint will not stay mounted on the factory 1301 Rail and needs the Aridus CROM mount. I have one of those and I'm going to need to take it to a gunsmith or someone to be professionally mounted since I'm recovering from hand surgery so it will be a while before I can fire the 1301 again. Right now the only handguns that I can comfortably handle or my Gen 2 Glock 17 and 19 since the groups are smooth.

Here is a picture of the Aimpoint mounted on my 1301 with the factory rail.


6MOA H2 is the perfect optic for this gun IMO. I cheaped out and just repurposed a T2 I had on a less-used gun, but eventually will have to swap.

[Coolcraigster26]

I finally finished my 1301 and now have unexpected bills come up and have to sell. I guess I will have to start the journey all over again when I get caught up. Damn the luck.

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[mmc45414]

Anyone have any thoughts or experiences around this idea with “weaker” or less experienced shooters and shotguns?
Well, imma gonna just put this out there... I have a great deal of shotgun experience, but am 62yo, am not a particularly large person, don't exercise as much as I oughta, and I am not all that damn strong anymore. I want a 1301, but I plan to get the standard version and I do not plan to put an extension on it. The way I look at it, if each shell has as many projectiles as a Glock 19 magazine, a ghost loaded gun will have ninety projectiles in it. I am not going to be kicking any doors, it just might be handy to have something besides a pistol someday, and I am thinking less might be more. I am also thinking it might be a little better, compliance wise, if I ever end up with an RV and toting it to other states.

But I will put some kind of light on it, adding more weight back up to the front of the gun. Possibly from familiarity, but my 391 that I am using for three gun feels a lot different when you start adding weight. I shot skeet with it several times with an extension tube and could tell the difference between different tube lengths, especially if I had the Nordic clamp on it. Since I put the peep sight on it I will only be using it for three gun, 10-30 seconds at a time for four stages once a month, so I ran the tube all the way to the end of the 28" barrel.

The 922r questions may or may not be valid, Beretta may or may not have legitimately satisfied them, LTT seems to have, but seems like you are spending $400-$800 worth of (ETA: difficult to source) USA accessories just to legally justify the extension tube that costs another $100.

People do not seem to consider a typical 14" SBS to not have enough capacity, the 1301 is only an extra four inches longer, and is still pretty compact, without any NFA hoops or less state compliance.

So in what I acknowledge as my personal preference and potential use case scenario, if/when I get one I probably will not worry about the extension.

[OldManClemens]

Well, imma gonna just put this out there... I have a great deal of shotgun experience, but am 62yo, am not a particularly large person, don't exercise as much as I oughta, and I am not all that damn strong anymore. I want a 1301, but I plan to get the standard version and I do not plan to put an extension on it. The way I look at it, if each shell has as many projectiles as a Glock 19 magazine, a ghost loaded gun will have ninety projectiles in it. I am not going to be kicking any doors, it just might be handy to have something besides a pistol someday, and I am thinking less might be more. I am also thinking it might be a little better, compliance wise, if I ever end up with an RV and toting it to other states.

But I will put some kind of light on it, adding more weight back up to the front of the gun. Possibly from familiarity, but my 391 that I am using for three gun feels a lot different when you start adding weight. I shot skeet with it several times with an extension tube and could tell the difference between different tube lengths, especially if I had the Nordic clamp on it. Since I put the peep sight on it I will only be using it for three gun, 10-30 seconds at a time for four stages once a month, so I ran the tube all the way to the end of the 28" barrel.

The 922r questions may or may not be valid, Beretta may or may not have legitimately satisfied them, LTT seems to have, but seems like you are spending $400-$800 worth of (ETA: difficult to source) USA accessories just to legally justify the extension tube that costs another $100.

People do not seem to consider a typical 14" SBS to not have enough capacity, the 1301 is only an extra four inches longer, and is still pretty compact, without any NFA hoops or less state compliance.

So in what I acknowledge as my personal preference and potential use case scenario, if/when I get one I probably will not worry about the extension.

As an unfortunate California resident and someone who jsut bought the 7+1 version of the 1301, if it's legal in this state, it is almost certainly legal in other states as well. I realize there are other states that may be as strict or even more strict in some regards, but no way would Beretta be selling this gun in the 7+1 configuration and selling it through big box retailers if it wasn't compliant. Same shop I bought my 1301 from almost denied my pick-up for by Springfield Saint Victor because an associate claimed that the flippin' sku for the lock didn't match the sku that the paperwork showed and it was apparently a different lock sent form the manufacturer!

[destruya]

[url]https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/[/url

*out of stock as of 11/04*

[pm07]

I saw a post about someone having their loading port opened but cannot find it. Anyone recommend a company for doing this?

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I saw a post about someone having their loading port opened but cannot find it. Anyone recommend a company for doing this?

My FFL/smith used his dremel skills to open my gen1 up back in 2017, zero issues since w/ many shells thru it most recently @ a DB gauge tuneup.

[OldManClemens]

Aridus stock adapter back in stock @ Aridus: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

I just ordered one, thank you for the heads up. I have a spare SGA stock sitting around. Really don't have any plans to swap out the original stock, but it's nice to have it just in case I get the urge.

What I really need is the CROM for my 1301 and 590A1.

[mmc45414]

I saw a post about someone having their loading port opened but cannot find it. Anyone recommend a company for doing this?
Here is one of the go-to guys:
https://roseactionsports.com/
Up in Kentucky, bruceride had a Benelli done, I believe.

[rob_s]

Aridus stock adapter back in stock @ Aridus: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

And gone!

When I clicked the link last night there were still available. I put one in my cart, started down the process, and at the last minute decided “you know what, this is supposed to feel like the clays gun, I don’t *want* to change the stock out. Plus, I don’t even have the damn gun, and some guy that does can hopefully use this thing”.

So, to whoever bought the one I put back on the shelf… you’re welcome. :cool:

[Coolcraigster26]

I believe GG&G adapters are in stock if someone needs one. Thats probably what I will use when I build my next one due to the recoil buffer being present vs the Aridus.

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[bruceride]

Here is one of the go-to guys:
https://roseactionsports.com/
Up in Kentucky, bruceride had a Benelli done, I believe.

I did! Quick turnaround and very good service

[OldManClemens]

As of this posting Aridus SGA stock adapters back in stock: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

[mmc45414]

So in what I acknowledge as my personal preference and potential use case scenario, if/when I get one I probably will not worry about the extension.
And after all that blather I just caved for the extended version...
But at least I am in the club! :cool:

[destruya]

As of this posting Aridus SGA stock adapters back in stock: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/asa-1301-stock-adapter/

The site appears to be *dead* at the moment, too. >.>

EDIT: Seems to have come back from the dead like Lazarus, but trying to navigate to anything else 404s.

[OldManClemens]

The site appears to be *dead* at the moment, too. >.>

Try again. I just tried and the site is fine for me, and they're still in stock.

[Ed L]

Here is a picture of Tom Givens' personal Beretta 1301 and how he has a set up. It has a Nordic one shot magazine extension, The CROM rear sight and rail, and the butt cuff on the stock. Though I'm typically a two shot magazine extension person myself, I like the looks of Tom's setup and would call it good to go.

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Here is a link to the entire article. Note, at the time the article was written in 2018 the 1301's had a bolt release that also functioned as a magazine release if pressed in a certain fashion which could cause problems. That has since been eliminated from the shotgun. If anyone did have an older model 1301, there are replacement bolt release buttons that can correct this problem.

https://secureservercdn.net/45.40.151.233/d74.722.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-04_RFTS-Newsletter.pdf

[rob_s]

I’ll have to check out the article. Interesting on the 2-shot extension. After my testing (admittedly, many years ago) of my 870p with no extension against my Winchester with the fixed, longer, tube, the one-shot extension is what I’ve added to my 870Ps since then.

My current 870P has a receiver-mounted side-saddle but it’s one of the Velcro ones and I’ve always meant to slap another bit of velcro on the stock and see if moving the carrier around does anything different for me in terms of manipulations or balance.

[TCinVA]

Here is a picture of Tom Givens' personal Beretta 1301 and how he has a set up. It has a Nordic one shot magazine extension, The CROM rear sight and rail, and the butt cuff on the stock. Though I'm typically a two shot magazine extension person myself, I like the looks of Tom's setup and would call it good to go.

79431

Here is a link to the entire article. Note, at the time the article was written in 2018 the 1301's had a bolt release that also functioned as a magazine release if pressed in a certain fashion which could cause problems. That has since been eliminated from the shotgun. If anyone did have an older model 1301, there are replacement bolt release buttons that can correct this problem.

https://secureservercdn.net/45.40.151.233/d74.722.myftpupload.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/2018-04_RFTS-Newsletter.pdf

Tom's setup is solid.

His house is only dark if the power is out, and all approaches to the place where the people sleep are going to be open and well lit, giving him a free fire zone so he doesn't really need the light on his gun. It's unlikely Tom is going to empty that shotgun and still have bad guys around who are in a condition to press hostilities.

Tom's gun is a perfect example of someone who understands what the shotgun is good at setting one up for his specific environment.

I prefer a side saddle to a butt cuff, but in practical reality Tom isn't going to get kilt in da streetz because a load from his butt cuff takes a bit longer than from my side saddle.

[GearFondler]

WTF happened to the 1301T thread? I swear it was here just yesterday.

[GJM]

This thread is arguably the best online 1301 resource anywhere. I hate to see it get mucked up with general "how to use a shotgun" posts, diluting 1301 specific information, since we have plenty of other threads and opportunities to discuss general shotgun technique.

[rob_s]

This thread is arguably the best online 1301 resource anywhere. I hate to see it get mucked up with general "how to use a shotgun" posts, diluting 1301 specific information, since we have plenty of other threads and opportunities to discuss general shotgun technique.

Not my thread, not my monkeys, and I admit to maybe being the cause of the drift and then not reading all the tactical drivel that came after, but in a quick scanning it does seem to come back to how one might wish to set up their 1301t and the consequences and benefits of those setups…

[Clusterfrack]

Not my thread, not my monkeys, and I admit to maybe being the cause of the drift and then not reading all the tactical drivel that came after, but in a quick scanning it does seem to come back to how one might wish to set up their 1301t and the consequences and benefits of those setups…

No worries. It's natural that spinoff discussions will happen. That's what shitty mods are for. I moved a bunch of posts to a new thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50410-Shotgun-setup-amp-technique) on setup and technique.

[HeavyDuty]

No worries. It's natural that spinoff discussions will happen. That's what shitty mods are for. I moved a bunch of posts to a new thread (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?50410-Shotgun-setup-amp-technique) on setup and technique.

The mods here are shit, but effective. Thank you - it’s all good info, and the split will make finding it again easier.

[md8232]

I know the 507’s are not as robust as the 503’s. Nonetheless, for me, it’s more important to have an uncluttered view of the target area. This photo shows the difference between the thicker walled 503 with its adjustment knobs sticking out, and the thinner walled, less cluttered 507. Also, the 507 has a 32 MOA circle, which I use to address my astigmatism, versus the 503’s 65 MOA circle. In testing with LE133 8 pellet, FliteControl buckshot, the 32 MOA circle makes for a more accurate pattern prediction than does the 65 MOA. I have numerous test pictures of this phenomenon posted here in this thread somewhere that proves it. So far, with nothing through my 1301 but buck and slugs, the 507 has held up fine. 🤓👍

Will the 507 mount to a CROM?

[Det1397]

Yup….

[md8232]

Yup….

Thanks. As a follow up will it fit the CROM for an Aimpoint also?
If not, I’ve got some selling to do.

[HCM]

Thanks. As a follow up will it fit the CROM for an Aimpoint also?
If not, I’ve got some selling to do.

Why would a 507 (RMR footprint) fit a CROM mount for an Aimpoint Micro footprint ? That’s why they make different versions.

The various Holosun/SIG/Primary Arms etc micro clones fit the Aimpoint CROM however you may need to drill the bottom edge of the optic body to get clearance for the front mounting screw.

[md8232]

1284516 (tel:1284516)[/URL]]Why would a 507 (RMR footprint) fit a CROM mount for an Aimpoint Micro footprint ? That’s why they make different versions.

The various Holosun/SIG/Primary Arms etc micro clones fit the Aimpoint CROM however you may need to drill the bottom edge of the optic body to get clearance for the front mounting screw.

Thanks. Didn’t realize the Holosun and RMR were the same ish.
Guess it doesn’t matter as they are OOS.

[OldManClemens]

Does anyone have any experience with either The Holosun 507C X2 vs. the HE508T X2? Seems like the only difference is the 508 has a titanium body, flat top and blacked out logo. Functionally they seem the same. Wondering if the $60 increase in price for the 508 is worth it in terms of durability, etc.?

[Quasimojo45]

Does anyone have any experience with either The Holosun 507C X2 vs. the HE508T X2? Seems like the only difference is the 508 has a titanium body, flat top and blacked out logo. Functionally they seem the same. Wondering if the $60 increase in price for the 508 is worth it in terms of durability, etc.?

I've only used the the 507C X2, have you read the Holosun thread yet? https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?42644-General-Holosun-pistol-optic-thread

[OldManClemens]

I've only used the the 507C X2, have you read the Holosun thread yet? https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?42644-General-Holosun-pistol-optic-thread

Will check it out. Thanks.

[rob_s]

Removed

[OldManClemens]

Something here starting at 8:00. Thoughts?


https://youtu.be/sro9uUOL0vM

What are you interested in specifically? I've watched this several times.

[rob_s]

What are you interested in specifically? I've watched this several times.

Wrong thread. Forgot there was a split off.

Will repost in the other thread.

Hopefully a shitty mod will delete from here.

[HeavyDuty]

Just to reiterate since “503” is too short of a search term…

I picked up a CROM a few weeks ago. I really like the 65 MOA ring on the Holosun, and I don’t think there is much else out there that has the big ring - I wish Aimpoint did one. So, I’m actively looking for a deal on a HE503CU-GR.

The only modification I need to make is a small notch for mounting screw clearance, right?

[OldManClemens]

Just to reiterate since “503” is too short of a search term…

I picked up a CROM a few weeks ago. I really like the 65 MOA ring on the Holosun, and I don’t think there is much else out there that has the big ring - I wish Aimpoint did one. So, I’m actively looking for a deal on a HE503CU-GR.

The only modification I need to make is a small notch for mounting screw clearance, right?

Others have also mentioned milling down an Allen key to where it's just enough to get it in to get purchase on the screw so you don't have to go cutting up your optic. I figure if you ahve the tools and skill to notch the optic to make room for the Allen key you should also have the skill to modify the Allen key instead. Just my opinion though.

[HeavyDuty]

Others have also mentioned milling down an Allen key to where it's just enough to get it in to get purchase on the screw so you don't have to go cutting up your optic. I figure if you ahve the tools and skill to notch the optic to make room for the Allen key you should also have the skill to modify the Allen key instead. Just my opinion though.

I didn’t think of that - I’ll have to look once I get the optic, but grinding a sacrificial key makes sense.

[destruya]

Does anyone have any experience with either The Holosun 507C X2 vs. the HE508T X2? Seems like the only difference is the 508 has a titanium body, flat top and blacked out logo. Functionally they seem the same. Wondering if the $60 increase in price for the 508 is worth it in terms of durability, etc.?

I'd be more likely to put the 508T on a carry gun than a shotgun because there's a greater chance of dropping a carry gun. Ideally you'd have a sling on a shotgun, and there's also way less likelihood of - if you ever did drop a shotgun - of it landing *on* the red dot.

I have experience with both in green, and the 507C X2 is what I've got on my RMR CROM. My 508T X2 is going on my P320 X-Compact once I can be bothered to install it.

[OldManClemens]

I'd be more likely to put the 508T on a carry gun than a shotgun because there's a greater chance of dropping a carry gun. Ideally you'd have a sling on a shotgun, and there's also way less likelihood of - if you ever did drop a shotgun - of it landing *on* the red dot.

I have experience with both in green, and the 507C X2 is what I've got on my RMR CROM. My 508T X2 is going on my P320 X-Compact once I can be bothered to install it.

Not sure I follow your logic here of why you wouldn't put the 508 on a shotgun but have no problem mounting a 507 on your shotgun. Would you mind elaborating on why you wouldn't put the 508 on a shotgun? On paper these two red dot's are essentially the same in terms of features and the way they work and unless I'm missing something here the difference in price is because of the material used for the housings.

[destruya]

Not sure I follow your logic here of why you wouldn't put the 508 on a shotgun but have no problem mounting a 507 on your shotgun. Would you mind elaborating on why you wouldn't put the 508 on a shotgun? On paper these two red dot's are essentially the same in terms of features and the way they work and unless I'm missing something here the difference in price is because of the material used for the housings.

I thought it was clear in my reply, but the reason I put the 507C X2 on my shotgun over the 508T X2 is because I'm way less likely to ever drop the shotgun in a way that's going to risk damaging the optic. I have a sling, and even if I did drop the damned thing, it's probably not going to fall *right* on the optic, and even if it *did*, that's what the backup irons on the CROM are for.

My carry gun is way more likely to (hopefully never) see use, so I want the optic on *it* to have something like a titanium outer shell that'll survive a potential drop, since the X-Compact requires you to lose the stock rear sight to put a red (or in my case green) dot on. I'm never going to open carry my 1301T, it's going to be within arm's reach of my bed. But more often than not the only place it's going to be fired at is my range of choice. That makes me less likely to feel the need to put a titanium-framed optic on it.

In an ideal world I'd have bought two 508T X2s, but I didn't.

[Ed L]

Here is a before and after picture of my 1301 with the Aimpoint H-2 with the 6 MOA dot with it mounted on the rail that comes with the gun in the top picture and with it set up on the Aridus mount on the bottom picture. That Aridus is a more secure method of mounting since the screws go through the bottom of the mount into the aim point and then the entire thing is mounted on the receiver. Yesterday Dagga_Boy was good enough to handle all of the mechanics of the installation. While I liked the aim point on the original amount I really love it on the Aridus mount because when I mount the stock to my shoulder and my cheek to the stock the optic's dot seems right in line with my eye. Also, the ghost ring rear sight is viewable and lines up with the front sight and co-witnesses perfectly through the optic.

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[Ed L]

And here is a picture of the complete Beretta 1301 with the two round extended magazine, the Aridus stock adaptor and Magpul stock with one spacer and it, and the CROM mount with the Aimpoint H2 with the 6 MOA dot.

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[destruya]

FDE ARIDUS HANDGUARDS IN STOCK @ ARIDUS: https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/1301hga-fde/

BLACK, TOO! https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/1301hga-blk/

Reminder, we don't know if the Aridus handguard works with the new "Gen 2+" tube. =/

[HeavyDuty]

I just discovered that one of the SIG optics has a 65 MOA circle - ROMEO5XDR. I’m wondering if that’s a better or worse choice than a Holosun 503 for the CROM.

Wait - this model seems to sit a lot higher than a 503 due to the battery chamber. Disregard.

[mmc45414]

Picked mine up today, very happy I caved.

Interesting that it came with two chokes, CYL and IMP-CYL, though not sure I will use either of them because I will use the extended chokes I have, because:
I have reconsidered and will probably end up doing exactly what I didn't plan to do, shoot in three gun instead of my 391. The loading port is beveled enough I seem to be able to twin load it ok, and ultimately I will probably open it up as well. If I switch it to a +3 tube it will not be much longer, but a little longer so it protects the choke tube when you are tossing it into the trash can between stages. This way I can also take the peep sights off of my 391 so it is not relegated to pretty much only being good for 3G.

But for something that comes out of the box the way it is, it is pretty nice.

[Willard]

I've tried to follow this thread, but I cannot keep up with everything so have a question. The Aridus stock...really like, but there is something about a metal thingy that is in the factory stock and not in the Aridus that interacts with the recoils system and may cause excess wear to frame or other components from the bolt or something like this? Is this really a thing or OCD? Thanks.

[Exiledviking]

I just discovered that one of the SIG optics has a 65 MOA circle - ROMEO5XDR. I’m wondering if that’s a better or worse choice than a Holosun 503 for the CROM.

Wait - this model seems to sit a lot higher than a 503 due to the battery chamber. Disregard.Not sure that it applies to the CROM mount, but the Holosun HS515GM (and more than likely the 503 as well as they appear to be the same basic design) sits higher than the Aimpoint Micro red dots. I found out the hard way when installing a HS515GM on a Scalarworks SYNC mount. In that case it completely occluded the OE iron sights on the Benelli M4.

[HeavyDuty]

Not sure that it applies to the CROM mount, but the Holosun HS515GM (and more than likely the 503 as well as they appear to be the same basic design) sits higher than the Aimpoint Micro red dots. I found out the hard way when installing a HS515GM on a Scalarworks SYNC mount. In that case it completely occluded the OE iron sights on the Benelli M4.

Can anyone with a 503 on a CROM speak to this?

[Coolcraigster26]

I've tried to follow this thread, but I cannot keep up with everything so have a question. The Aridus stock...really like, but there is something about a metal thingy that is in the factory stock and not in the Aridus that interacts with the recoils system and may cause excess wear to frame or other components from the bolt or something like this? Is this really a thing or OCD? Thanks.Yes I agree. If it was not supposed to be there Beretta would have never put it there. Use the GG&G stock adapter. It is built with the recoil buffer like the OEM.

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[23JAZ]

Yes I agree. If it was not supposed to be there Beretta would have never put it there. Use the GG&G stock adapter. It is built with the recoil buffer like the OEM.

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Can you elaborate on the difference between these two? I have the Aridus adaptor but I don’t recall removing anything during the install. It was a long time ago tho.

[Coolcraigster26]

Can you elaborate on the difference between these two? I have the Aridus adaptor but I don’t recall removing anything during the install. It was a long time ago tho.When you removed the oem rod from the back of the receiver you can see a small plunger in the tip of the rod that protrudes up into the back of the receiver. The plunger is actually a buffer for the bolt when it cycles to the rear of the receiver. The Aridus adapter eliminates this and allows the bolt to slam into the rear of the receiver when the action cycles. The GG&G has the buffer built into theirs just like the oem part. To me it seems like a much better design. Beretta put it there for a reason. Top pic is Aridus and bottom is GG&G. You can see on the GG&G adapter bolt it has a small plunger/buffer in the tip. With enough force the tip actually moves in and helps stop the bolt from slamming into the rear of the receiver. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211111/d99326daa5074ec5055184435423dad0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211111/bb8eee88c64f9eb7f4dd09c7a0ffa7dc.jpg

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[Coolcraigster26]

I noticed this when installing my Aridus adapter. Just cycling the bolt fast by hand i could tell a big difference. I searched online and found no mention of this anywhere. I started a thread on here about it but it didn't go anywhere. I emailed Aridus about it and of course got no reply. If I was buying an adapter I would buy the GG&G 100%. I will probably get alot of hate for saying that but I'm going to go with whoever makes the better product. Just my thoughts...

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[Cory]

General consensus was that the "buffer" was a non issue I thought. Lots of rounds through some trainers guns without issue has me satisfied with the Aridus.

[Coolcraigster26]

General consensus was that the "buffer" was a non issue I thought. Lots of rounds through some trainers guns without issue has me satisfied with the Aridus.And your probably right but I just feel like beretta put it there for a reason and I believe they have more experience building shotguns than aridus. But again it might not ever cause an issue. I just dont see why someone would buy the aridus over the GG&G if they are looking to buy one. Its cheaper, built just like the oem with the buffer and they are readily available

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[Cory]

And your probably right but I just feel like beretta put it there for a reason and I believe they have more experience building shotguns than aridus. But again it might not ever cause an issue. I just dont see why someone would buy the aridus over the GG&G if they are looking to buy one. Its cheaper, built just like the oem with the buffer and they are readily available

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Fair enough. I have an Aridus because they were the only stock adapter when I wanted one. I'd probably pick them still today to support the small business that jump started the 1301 aftermarket, and their product looks better to me. To each their own.

[Clusterfrack]

Fair enough. I have an Aridus because they were the only stock adapter when I wanted one. I'd probably pick them still today to support the small business that jump started the 1301 aftermarket, and their product looks better to me. To each their own.

I have the Aridus, and bought the GGG in a panic buy after reading about the lack of a bolt buffer. However, I didn't see significant wear in my Gen2 1301 with the Aridus adaptor. And, the distance from grip to trigger was significantly greater with the GGG, which doesn't work well for me. If it had the same ergos, I might go with GGG because of the buffer, but I'm sticking with Aridus.

[NPV]

So I’ve got a second 1301T on the way. My current one is an LE Gen 2 (no chokes), the new one will have the Optima Choke system.

Can someone verify which choke tube the Gen 2s come with? Will I need to buy a Cyl bore choke? I have a deep stash of LE133, LE127, TBDP, Brenneke, etc.

[destruya]

I have the Aridus, and bought the GGG in a panic buy after reading about the lack of a bolt buffer. However, I didn't see significant wear in my Gen2 1301 with the Aridus adaptor. And, the distance from grip to trigger was significantly greater with the GGG, which doesn't work well for me. If it had the same ergos, I might go with GGG because of the buffer, but I'm sticking with Aridus.

I'd also like to think that if there was truly a really long-term problem with the Aridus adapter, Ernest probably would've been one of the first to notice it through customer complaints/reviews.

That being said, I bought and own both the Aridus and GG&G adapter because I like having every base covered so long as said bases are somewhat affordable to cover simultaneously. >.>

With the growing popularity of the 1301T it's only a matter of time before someone improves on both the Aridus *and* the GG&G and then we'll all be reaching for our wallets again. My money's on a full stock replacement like the Mesa Tactical only with more recoil dampening built into it...like the current even more expensive Mesa Tactical options which have hydraulic cushioning.

[Toonces]

Yes I agree. If it was not supposed to be there Beretta would have never put it there. Use the GG&G stock adapter. It is built with the recoil buffer like the OEM.

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Before I removed the factory Kick-Off stock from my Comp Pro, I messaged e_stern (Beretta Product Manager) and he stated the gun would be fine with the Aridus stock adapter. I actually bought my Aridus adapter from the Beretta store.

Between the Beretta Product Manager, TCinvA, and Ernest Langdon, I think we would know if there was an issue after removing the recoil buffer. If you read enough of Ernest Langdon's posts, it's apparent that Beretta is a very conservative company. If the Beretta Engineers though removing the buffer was an issue, Beretta wouldn't be selling Langdon Tactical pallets of 1301s to convert.

That being said, I also have a stock 1301 Comp, and there is a definite "tone" difference when sharply hand cycling the bolt. I've never noticed it when shooting, but I wasn't ever listening for it. The bolt moves back slightly more on the gun with the Aridus stock.

Below is TCinVA's response the last time this question came up, in post 4678 of this thread:


So for context:

I bought my first 1301 in 2016 about April. I added the Aridus adapter about 1.5 years later. In that time the gun has been through all of my classes (usually used as a loaner) and some other classes I've taken from others. That is in addition to my own personal practice which, until the ammo crunch, was fairly constant. Just in my own practice time I've fired just over 4,000 shells through this gun...not counting what it's seen as a loaner.

I talked with knowledgeable folks about the lack of the factory buffer when the Aridus adapter was gaining in popularity and I was assured it wouldn't be a cause for concern.

My use has born that out:

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The receiver itself has finish wear, as you can see, but no real damage. Keep in mind that the buffer back there is not the primary device for decelerating the bolt....the recoil spring and the action of cocking the hammer are what accomplish that. The gun isn't beating itself to death without the buffer present.

The bolt shows a little finish wear on the rear face, but as you can see it's no more than is visible from the rails that run inside the recesses cut into the receiver.

I have no worries anything is going to break.

[23JAZ]

I have the Aridus, and bought the GGG in a panic buy after reading about the lack of a bolt buffer. However, I didn't see significant wear in my Gen2 1301 with the Aridus adaptor. And, the distance from grip to trigger was significantly greater with the GGG, which doesn't work well for me. If it had the same ergos, I might go with GGG because of the buffer, but I'm sticking with Aridus.
CF now you got me wondering if the GG&G would work better for me because of my long fingers. I kinda want to try it out. Want to trade my Aridus adaptor for your GG&G? ;)

[destruya]

CF now you got me wondering if the GG&G would work better for me because of my long fingers. I kinda want to try it out. Want to trade my Aridus adaptor for your GG&G? ;)

Just a reminder that the GG&G comes in Mossberg *and* Remington flavors, and the Remington SGA stock has a much more pronounced angle that might fit your hand better.

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[23JAZ]

She broke 1000 rounds today. Bought it brand new. Took it apart wiped all the factory oil off. Lubed with a few drops of Gunfighter Oil and reassembled with the Aridus and Magpul components. That’s it, haven’t so much as ran a gloved finger in the chamber, nothin and not a single hiccup. Ammo was everything from full power slugs to cheap Wally World target garbage.
LOVE IT!
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[destruya]

I like to imagine your cat's expression is pure "Uh, remember me being picky about my food? We're good."

[23JAZ]

I like to imagine your cat's expression is pure "Uh, remember me being picky about my food? We're good."
LMAO but probably more like, as soon as I figure out how to load that you’re fucked!

[GearFondler]

LMAO but probably more like, as soon as I figure out how to load that you’re fucked!"Obey me or I will shit in the chamber and fire it into your pillow"

[HCM]

Before I removed the factory Kick-Off stock from my Comp Pro, I messaged e_stern (Beretta Product Manager) and he stated the gun would be fine with the Aridus stock adapter. I actually bought my Aridus adapter from the Beretta store.

Between the Beretta Product Manager, TCinvA, and Ernest Langdon, I think we would know if there was an issue after removing the recoil buffer. If you read enough of Ernest Langdon's posts, it's apparent that Beretta is a very conservative company. If the Beretta Engineers though removing the buffer was an issue, Beretta wouldn't be selling Langdon Tactical pallets of 1301s to convert.

That being said, I also have a stock 1301 Comp, and there is a definite "tone" difference when sharply hand cycling the bolt. I've never noticed it when shooting, but I wasn't ever listening for it. The bolt moves back slightly more on the gun with the Aridus stock.

Below is TCinVA's response the last time this question came up, in post 4678 of this thread:

For future reference e_stern is now with FN.

[mmc45414]

Can someone verify which choke tube the Gen 2s come with?
Mine showed up last week with CYL and IMPCYL, and I only expected one choke.

ETA: I might have a spare choke or two between these and my Xtreama and I just bought some Brileys.

[Cory]

For future reference e_stern is now with FN.


Wow, I missed that at some point. I went and looked at his instagram and saw his post. What an absolute loss for Beretta. Seems like the type of guy who will kickass anywhere. Maybe we'll see FN doing some cool stuff.

[NPV]

Mine showed up last week with CYL and IMPCYL, and I only expected one choke.

ETA: I might have a spare choke or two between these and my Xtreama and I just bought some Brileys.

I appreciate it, I will be interested to see what shows up in the box when it arrives at my FFL.

[Toonces]

For future reference @e_stern (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=14962) is now with FN.

Well shit. Good for FN. I wish him the best at his new job. Seems like mistake for Beretta to not retain him.

[HCM]

Well shit. Good for FN. I wish him the best at his new job. Seems like mistake for Beretta to not retain him.

My understanding is sometimes moving around is what you have to do to move up / promote in the industry.

[rob_s]

My understanding is sometimes moving around is what you have to do to move up / promote in almost every industry.

FIFY ;)

[Caballoflaco]

My bank account hates you all. Picked up a 21” 1301 comp today, the rib height is perfect for my cheek to eye distance and it’s still surprisingly compact. I hope to get out and shoot some skeet with it Friday afternoon. I’m not sure when I’ll make it to the range to put some slugs and buck shot through it.

[Eric_L]

My bank account hates you all. Picked up a 21” 1301 comp today, the rib height is perfect for my cheek to eye distance and it’s still surprisingly compact. I hope to get out and shoot some skeet with it Friday afternoon. I’m not sure when I’ll make it to the range to put some slugs and buck shot through it.

I want to know how this works out. I see that as working well for me if it handles slugs well. I’d add a red dot and two round extension, maybe a flashlight and call it good. Plus it would work for turkeys……

[Kosuke Kutsunugi]

It's been a while, everyone.
The hunting season has started in Japan and I have shot ducks and deer this year.

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Until the hunting season, I have been adjusting my Beretta 1301.

This is my hunting gun for this year.
I put a grip on the M-lok handguard so that I can shoot rifle. The dot sight is a holosun.

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The Beretta 1301's magazine cap fits the 27mm socket perfectly.
This will probably allow me to control the torque after overhaul.

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I did a pattern test with my own #00. Choke is full and distance is 20M.

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Lastly, I have a question for you all. If anyone knows the thread pitch of the mount for the Beretta 1301 Tactical, I am considering diverting the KE ARMS T1 mount for the 1301comp as it has been discontinued.

It is a docter mount for the 1301comp that was originally made in Japan.

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[Caballoflaco]

I want to know how this works out. I see that as working well for me if it handles slugs well. I’d add a red dot and two round extension, maybe a flashlight and call it good. Plus it would work for turkeys……

After a trip to the skeet range and a half a day in the quail woods (first quail hunt ever) I’m digging it. I shot pretty poorly at skeet, but with no formal training and only ever having shot some hand thrown birds close to twenty years ago I can’t blame the equipment too much.

I shot about 60% on the live birds with my best hit being a crosser going full speed left to right at about 30 yards (of course that was after I missed the first bird in that pair and it went behind some trees. The light weight and shorter barrel were a joy to carry in the woods when port arms was the only safe direction due to dogs and a small child in the field.

I’m thinking that an extended mag tube (with magazine block for hunting) will add some beneficial foward weight, because as the guys who know say, that light gun is easy to not swing-through as proven by my general habit of shooting behind critters.

It handled the light trap loads I was shooting great with zero malfunctions and a noticeable increase in action speed over my old 1100.

[HCM]

It's been a while, everyone.
The hunting season has started in Japan and I have shot ducks and deer this year.

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Until the hunting season, I have been adjusting my Beretta 1301.

This is my hunting gun for this year.
I put a grip on the M-lok handguard so that I can shoot rifle. The dot sight is a holosun.

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The Beretta 1301's magazine cap fits the 27mm socket perfectly.
This will probably allow me to control the torque after overhaul.

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I did a pattern test with my own #00. Choke is full and distance is 20M.

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Lastly, I have a question for you all. If anyone knows the thread pitch of the mount for the Beretta 1301 Tactical, I am considering diverting the KE ARMS T1 mount for the 1301comp as it has been discontinued.

It is a docter mount for the 1301comp that was originally made in Japan.

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I don't know the thread pitch but the hole pattern or spacing on the Tactical and the Comp are different and they are not interchangeable.

[mmc45414]

Recently got a new 1301T Enhanced version and in the process of installing some GG&G sling loops I got a couple interesting surprises!

The biggest deal is that the magazine extension "tube" is actually a sleeve that slides down over a longer magazine:

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So maybe the compliance approach is installing a US sourced magazine tube that doesn't include an extension?... Maybe it is imported without a magazine at all, so it does not have a capacity greater than five when it hits the shore? Just speculating, but just putting out what I learned. Here is a view without the fore end:

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Not sure how this makes me feel... Since I decided to use this for three gun I had planned to switch to a +3 tube, but a typical extension would not work. You could actually use a +1 tube, but it would require cutting the end off of the sleeve. Then the sleeve would no longer be a nut, but it needs to be captured to keep the fore end in place. For now I am going to shoot it the way it is, being down one round from allowable division capacity is not what is gonna keep me from winning.

And when I took the stock off I found the drop/cast plate was cast the wrong way for a right handed shooter, needs to be DX and it was set to SX:
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This is no big deal, I had no issue with it being wrong, but I have not shot it much, and now it is right and better.

Still undecided on the sling loops, I might just not be used to it yet.

[Dorsai]

My 1301 is the earlier version and the interior of the stock is very different.

[mmc45414]

My 1301 is the earlier version and the interior of the stock is very different.
Might it be the Kick-Off?

[destruya]

Huh, so this might confirm that Aridus is going to have to modify their products.

It's making me glad I bought me previous-gen LE 1301T when I did.

[Toonces]

Huh, so this might confirm that Aridus is going to have to modify their products.

Why? I don’t see how the inside of that stock has anything to do with the back of the receiver.

As I’ve gathered from reading EL’s posts, and mentioned up thread, Beretta is very conservative. It’s unlikely they changed the receiver geometry.

[GyroF-16]

Why? I don’t see how the inside of that stock has anything to do with the back of the receiver.

As I’ve gathered from reading EL’s posts, and mentioned up thread, Beretta is very conservative. It’s unlikely they changed the receiver geometry.

I think he was referring to the modified Magpul Zhukov handguard and adapter.

https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/1301hga-blk/

It’s fitted to the end of the original 5-rd mag tube, with an easy option to use a Nordic mag extension. I don’t think it would work with the longer one-piece mag tube on the new gun. I appreciate the way the new tube could be one more US-made part to contribute to 922(c) compliance, though.

[mmc45414]

I think he was referring to the modified Magpul Zhukov handguard and adapter.
I do not have one, but looking at the instructions I would think it would work. The plastic sleeve is the barrel nut, with threads up inside the forward end of it, and the back end of it lands where the typical barrel nut would. ETA: IOW, if the Aridus adapter works with the factory barrel nut I think it should work.

This setup IMO is superior, there is no joint inside the magazine tube. But extending it beyond the 7+1 length is going to require either modification to the sleeve of some type of spacer alternative. I am probably not going to screw with it.

[OlongJohnson]

Recently got a new 1301T Enhanced version and in the process of installing some GG&G sling loops I got a couple interesting surprises!

The biggest deal is that the magazine extension "tube" is actually a sleeve that slides down over a longer magazine:

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So maybe the compliance approach is installing a US sourced magazine tube that doesn't include an extension?...

My post on the topic from several years ago: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=709490&viewfull=1#post709490

Assuming that tube is US-made, if Beretta makes the tube and cap available as parts, that should become the go-to 922(r) solution for owners of older 1301 Tacticals who have not done the Briley trigger. The older 1301 tube was ~$43. If the new tube is anything close to that, it's a no-brainer. Combine it with Aridus forend and butt stock adaptor and a US-made follower, and you're GTG.

[GyroF-16]

I do not have one, but looking at the instructions I would think it would work. The plastic sleeve is the barrel nut, with threads up inside the forward end of it, and the back end of it lands where the typical barrel nut would. ETA: IOW, if the Aridus adapter works with the factory barrel nut I think it should work.

This setup IMO is superior, there is no joint inside the magazine tube. But extending it beyond the 7+1 length is going to require either modification to the sleeve of some type of spacer alternative. I am probably not going to screw with it.

Ah- I didn’t realize that the mag tube sleeve IS the nut, rather than being held on by another piece.

So it appears that the Zhukov with the Aridus adapter is the same length as the oem forearm. Good to know.
Now interested to see whether Beretta would sell just the extended mag tube (assuming it would retrofit to a Gen 1)

To illustrate:

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[Toonces]

I think he was referring to the modified Magpul Zhukov handguard and adapter.

I see that now. I applied it to the previous three posts about the stock. destruya, that’s what I get for posting as I’m eating breakfast.

[mmc45414]

Assuming that tube is US-made, if Beretta makes the tube and cap available as parts, that should become the go-to 922(r) solution for owners of older 1301 Tacticals who have not done the Briley trigger. The older 1301 tube was ~$43. If the new tube is anything close to that, it's a no-brainer.
You are also gonna need the magazine sleeve that is the barrel nut. I also wonder if they might have got BATF to consider that to be a "follower" or something. While it is new and different and will change my plans a little, I really like this new setup, I like the mag tube being one piece. One time while messing around changing my 391 to longer tubes I got to three-gun one day and the clamp was jacking with the angle of the tube and ruined my feeding. I had shot it at skeet as a "test", but had never loaded the tube past the joint. Fortunately, my buddy had a wrench and I took the clamp off and all was well.


Ah- I didn’t realize that the mag tube sleeve IS the nut, rather than being held on by another piece.
I didn't get it at first, then I realized the internal threads are way up at the front of the tube sleeve


Now interested to see whether Beretta would sell just the extended mag tube (assuming it would retrofit to a Gen 1)
Pretty sure, just maybe when. Probably waiting until inventory to be ample for there to be excess capacity. Plus it is just a tube with threads and a couple holes, wonder if somebody else would come up with one.

I am still a little curious about the potential for sticking a +1 tube on the end of mine, but would want an extra sleeve-nut before I hacked on mine. I went looking on MGW (https://www.midwestgunworks.com/beretta-1301/parts.html)and it looks like the item is on the exploded view with no link to the parts list, wonder if maybe this is how they have always done it for MIL/LE or other countries that do not have the restriction?

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[OlongJohnson]

Plus it is just a tube with threads and a couple holes, wonder if somebody else would come up with one.

It should be easy enough for someone with the right lathe and mill to make the part. But the factory part is anodized with what seems likely to be a PTFE sealer. I know where to get that done (or did in my past life), but I also know that most anodizing houses can't. It would be a significantly less good part without the right coating. Lot charges on the process would make one-offs and possibly even small batches seem like a good marketing plan for Briley.

[mmc45414]

It should be easy enough for someone with the right lathe and mill to make the part. But the factory part is anodized, with what seems likely to be a PTFE sealer. I know where to get that done (or did in my past life), but I also know that most anodizing houses can't. It would be a significantly less good part without the right coating. Lot charges on the process would make one-offs and possibly even small batches seem like a good marketing plan for Briley.
Yup, when I said somebody I was thinking somebody like Briley or Langdon or Aridus or Nordic or somebody. And though as nice as the anodize on the factory part is, none of the extension tubes in wide use seem to have it, or the more pedestrian guns that don't come from Italy.

[destruya]

I see that now. I applied it to the previous three posts about the stock. destruya, that’s what I get for posting as I’m eating breakfast.

:D

Yeah, I'm just trying to make sure there's a knowledge base before we get people in here moaning about how "the cool Aridus stuff doesn't fit on their gun."

[Ef4life]

Yup, when I said somebody I was thinking somebody like Briley or Langdon or Aridus or Nordic or somebody. And though as nice as the anodize on the factory part is, none of the extension tubes in wide use seem to have it, or the more pedestrian guns that don't come from Italy.

I believe the coating is there for function since the mag tube is part of the gas system on the 1301, the extensions don’t need to have the same coating or even the same dimensions to function properly since they are located past the gas piston assembly

[trajiiic]

My post on the topic from several years ago: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=709490&viewfull=1#post709490

Assuming that tube is US-made, if Beretta makes the tube and cap available as parts, that should become the go-to 922(r) solution for owners of older 1301 Tacticals who have not done the Briley trigger. The older 1301 tube was ~$43. If the new tube is anything close to that, it's a no-brainer. Combine it with Aridus forend and butt stock adaptor and a US-made follower, and you're GTG.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see any mag tube for sale on midwest gun works. I wonder if they will have them eventually?

That being said, I've seen videos that suggest a qualified armorer remove the mag tube from the receiver. I think it's in there pretty good.

[mmc45414]

I believe the coating is there for function since the mag tube is part of the gas system on the 1301, the extensions don’t need to have the same coating or even the same dimensions to function properly since they are located past the gas piston assemblyDoh!
I shoulda thought of that...

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[mmc45414]

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see any mag tube for sale on midwest gun works. I wonder if they will have them eventually?

That being said, I've seen videos that suggest a qualified armorer remove the mag tube from the receiver. I think it's in there pretty good.
They listed the short one, but OOS.
A friend is thinking about switching out hus Mossberg, and at one point I found a video of the process. It is just screwed in, but might have some glue.


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[OlongJohnson]

They listed the short one, but OOS.
A friend is thinking about switching out hus Mossberg, and at one point I found a video of the process. It is just screwed in, but might have some glue.

This vid shows one way to do it.


Mag tube wear over time in high round count guns:

https://www.practical-shotgun.com/beretta-1301-mag-tube-wear

[mmc45414]

This vid shows one way to do it.
I have had good results doing similar tasks by using a length of automotive heater hose split along the length. ,

[Caballoflaco]

DocGKR what mag extension are you using on the 21” gun in this post? That’s the length I’m looking for.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=225522&viewfull=1#post225522

[DocGKR]

Briley: https://www.briley.com/c-474-briley-beretta-magazine-extensions.aspx

[Caballoflaco]

Briley: https://www.briley.com/c-474-briley-beretta-magazine-extensions.aspx

Was that a +3 extension that they have since discontinued, or is it just the +2 with their +1 adaptor? All they offer now is a +2, and a +4 that would be way too long if my tape measure and the posted dimensions on the website are correct.

Thanks again for the help.

[Inkwell 41]

Was that a +3 extension that they have since discontinued, or is it just the +2 with their +1 adaptor? All they offer now is a +2, and a +4 that would be way too long if my tape measure and the posted dimensions on the website are correct.

Thanks again for the help.
I asked the same question several years ago. If I remember correctly, he stated that it was the +2 with a +1 adapter.

[pm07]

You all keep costing me money. :) So finally, after over a year, I have this completed..maybe. Only thing left is maybe a Briley trigger next year. I put another 50 or so through it today playing with the handstop. This is set up for work, it has already been approved. I just got to get qualified with it.

https://i.imgur.com/ZOFYEQj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/mSNfxMr.jpg

[Risto]

Really enjoying my new 1301. Completely stock.

Still breaking it in and experimenting with different loads.

Found one today at the local sporting goods store: Hornady black 00 8 pellet. It’s not reduced recoil but it honestly wasn’t bad.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211129/ad53445dc63e3ba7b42cbdb63e928898.jpg


Here it is at 25 yards: Red is 9 pellet flight control. Black is the Hornady.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211129/e1f20a29b70f9099d77a2902cf83dd80.jpg


It wasn’t as tight as FC at 7 and 10 and 15 yards. But it was still very tight and pretty comparable.

I’m running out of FC and this may be a good available substitution. I’ll have to get some more and keep testing.

Thought this load may be useful to others here (I could have missed if already discussed). If you have experience with it please leave some feedback.

[mmc45414]

Used my new one yesterday at three gun, first time I ever loaded it to the 7+1 capacity and I will report that the seventh round is a tight fit. I was just shooting whatever cheap Winchester or Federal stuff I had bought when I could buy it, and there may have been a mixture so no good data to report, just saying that the new guns might be a tight fit on capacity. I will stuff it full of the Winchester buckshot loads I have here to test soon.

The first time I loaded it, the last shell popped out onto the lifter when I was preloading. No big deal, it chambered properly when I was making ready, and then I just topped off the tube. Next time number seven stayed in the tube properly and I was able to add the last shell through the loading port as I am accustomed to doing with the 391.

I might experiment with removing the little cap that captures the mag spring when you field strip.

[trajiiic]

Used my new one yesterday at three gun, first time I ever loaded it to the 7+1 capacity and I will report that the seventh round is a tight fit. I was just shooting whatever cheap Winchester or Federal stuff I had bought when I could buy it, and there may have been a mixture so no good data to report, just saying that the new guns might be a tight fit on capacity. I will stuff it full of the Winchester buckshot loads I have here to test soon.

The first time I loaded it, the last shell popped out onto the lifter when I was preloading. No big deal, it chambered properly when I was making ready, and then I just topped off the tube. Next time number seven stayed in the tube properly and I was able to add the last shell through the loading port as I am accustomed to doing with the 391.

I might experiment with removing the little cap that captures the mag spring when you field strip.


Please do. I had someone ask me on my YouTube video if removing the spring retaining cap on the new OEM 7 shell tube would impact reliability. It hasn't on my 5 shot tube.

[Oceanbob]

Please do. I had someone ask me on my YouTube video if removing the spring retaining cap on the new OEM 7 shell tube would impact reliability. It hasn't on my 5 shot tube.

I have a marine 1301 like yours and it wouldn’t hold 5 even but when I put the Nordic on it I had no problem doing 7 in the tube.
I did discover that some Ammunition is a bit longer than 2.75 inches.

Be well
Bob

[Flyboytim]

I have a marine 1301 like yours and it wouldn’t hold 5 even but when I put the Nordic on it I had no problem doing 7 in the tube.
I did discover that some Ammunition is a bit longer than 2.75 inches.

Be well
Bob

Actually, the 2.75” measurement is for the hull without any crimp on it, either un fired new or fired old. Thus, various loaded, unfired shells can vary in actual length…

[Flyboytim]

Help experienced experts here… 😳 I bought two Vang Comp side saddle shell holders and now I’m getting cold feet about putting the Velcro backing on my 1301 Tac. Here’s my concerns:
1. Will moisture be trapped under the stick on Velcro strip and cause corrosion down the line?
2. If I don’t like the whole side saddle solution, can I remove the Velcro strip without damaging the receiver metal or even the Cerakote?
3. If I decide to stick the Velcro strip on the receiver, are there any tips to do it right?
Thanks in advance…
Tim80777

[167]

Help experienced experts here… 😳 I bought two Vang Comp side saddle shell holders and now I’m getting cold feet about putting the Velcro backing on my 1301 Tac. Here’s my concerns:
1. Will moisture be trapped under the stick on Velcro strip and cause corrosion down the line?
2. If I don’t like the whole side saddle solution, can I remove the Velcro strip without damaging the receiver metal or even the Cerakote?
3. If I decide to stick the Velcro strip on the receiver, are there any tips to do it right?
Thanks in advance…
Tim80777

I probably wouldn’t use the word expert to describe my experience, but I have used the velcro setup a few times and can share my experiences.

I have not had issues with any corrosion on the guns I have used the velcro on. Bath have factory finishes.

You can remove the velcro if you decide you don’t like it. It can take some effort though. Not sure what it would do to a cerekote finish. I don’t have much experience with cerekote at all, so not sure how that might go.

Match the size of the strip of velcro to the cards you plan on using. Be sure to accommodate any pins in the receiver that might need to be removed for maintenance. Clean the surface of the receiver really well (I use alcohol). Apply velcro like a decal you want to be really straight. I usually put some weight on top of the velcro for 10-15 minutes after applied. Not sure if it actually helps though.

Good luck.

[GJM]

Enos review on latest 1301 — some compatibility issues:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/298170-beretta-1301-tactical-new-version-review/

[TCinVA]

I think the Mesa stock is dogshit on the 1301. But people are still intent on buying it.

You are way better off with the standard stock or getting a Magpul SGA on it.

[TCinVA]

1. Will moisture be trapped under the stick on Velcro strip and cause corrosion down the line?


The receiver is anodized aluminum. Unless you break through the anodization, it's not going to corrode. To get proper adhesion you need to degrease the flat of the receiver with something like high concentration isopropyl alcohol (99.9% is readily available) which will not only help remove grease, oil, and other contaminants but will get rid of water, too.



2. If I don’t like the whole side saddle solution, can I remove the Velcro strip without damaging the receiver metal or even the Cerakote?


The glue on the velcro won't remove the layer of anodizing on the surface of the metal.

It isn't likely to remove cerakote either...but if you want to be sure you can apply a heat gun to soften the adhesive and remove it easily.



3. If I decide to stick the Velcro strip on the receiver, are there any tips to do it right?


Take a piece of cardboard and cut out a template of the receiver. Make sure you leave room for the trigger plate pin to be removed.

Cut a section of the loop material to match the cardboard template.

Degrease the flat of the receiver thoroughly. I usually give it a good wiping down with isopropyl alcohol and call that good. You can go the extra mile with some Dawn dish soap and water, then dry, then hit it with isopropyl alcohol if you want.

Then peel the backer off your velcro section and apply.
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[mmc45414]

Enos review on latest 1301 — some compatibility issues:
https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/298170-beretta-1301-tactical-new-version-review/

He is correct about the clamp and lack of clamp options, but not so much about the GG&G compatibility:
80788

I bought the GG&G loops before I even took the thing apart (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=1290484&viewfull=1#post1290484), and at first wondered if it was gonna work, because it didn't seem to want to go on. In the end I would say it might be a better fit because it had to go on straight and I had to slide it down carefully, but the net is a nice tight fit:
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I would figure any of their other products should fit on the new tube (that should be the same diameter of the old tube, just longer), but the ID of the GG&G part was snug enough product variation (tube or sling loop) could be a problem.

And I did not want the pistol grip stock because of all the reps I have on my 391, and this does reinforce my decision. I actually paid a couple hundred extra not to get it, Botach had a smoking deal on them. It would have been a good option for someone who planned the Magpul conversion, I just want mine to be as much like my 391 as possible. Though when I took mine apart to put the rear GG&G loop on the cast was set wrong, so I am glad I had it open (and the lock washer is laying on the bench, so I need to open it again...).

His other complaints about the weight and slots in the forend and rear sling attachment are all things that were inherit to the prior version. Though I do think my forend might end up with some holes in it before I am finished farting around.

[HeavyDuty]

Enos review on latest 1301 — some compatibility issues:

https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/298170-beretta-1301-tactical-new-version-review/


Since they changed the design to fix the well-known feeding problem…

Huh?

[GJM]

Huh?

I was more focused on the magazine tube compatibility issue.

[HeavyDuty]

I was more focused on the magazine tube compatibility issue.

The quoted part is what jumped out at me.

[GyroF-16]

The quoted part is what jumped out at me.

Same. Doesn’t exactly lend credibility to the whole write-up when leading off with obvious factual inaccuracy.
Or maybe just a poor summary of the old non-shrouded shell release button.

[mmc45414]

I am planning on getting the XS front sight:
https://xssights.com/standard-dot-shotgun-bead-benelli-m4-beretta-1301/

Any other suggestions before I do? Would consider FO without a tritium insert if there is something out there I am not seeing.

[TCinVA]

I am planning on getting the XS front sight:
https://xssights.com/standard-dot-shotgun-bead-benelli-m4-beretta-1301/

Any other suggestions before I do? Would consider FO without a tritium insert if there is something out there I am not seeing.

I have the Blitzkreig front sight on my guns, but that one would work just fine as well.

Do yourself a favor and get a 5.5mm midget wrench with a box end to use on the locking nut. It will make your life much, much simpler. The bike spoke style wrenches work, but kind of suck for getting at that locking nut.https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=78469&d=1634173234

[mmc45414]

Thanks for that, I like that a lot!
I have some "ignition" wrenches, from back when automotive ignitions were something that required wrenches instead of keyboards, I will check to see if one fits...


I have the Blitzkreig front sight on my guns, but that one would work just fine as well.

Do yourself a favor and get a 5.5mm midget wrench with a box end to use on the locking nut. It will make your life much, much simpler. The bike spoke style wrenches work, but kind of suck for getting at that locking nut.https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=78469&d=1634173234

[Flyboytim]

I probably wouldn’t use the word expert to describe my experience, but I have used the velcro setup a few times and can share my experiences.

I have not had issues with any corrosion on the guns I have used the velcro on. Bath have factory finishes.

You can remove the velcro if you decide you don’t like it. It can take some effort though. Not sure what it would do to a cerekote finish. I don’t have much experience with cerekote at all, so not sure how that might go.

Match the size of the strip of velcro to the cards you plan on using. Be sure to accommodate any pins in the receiver that might need to be removed for maintenance. Clean the surface of the receiver really well (I use alcohol). Apply velcro like a decal you want to be really straight. I usually put some weight on top of the velcro for 10-15 minutes after applied. Not sure if it actually helps though.

Good luck.

Well, this sounds like expert advice, so I’ll take it. Thanks so much… 👍

[Flyboytim]

The receiver is anodized aluminum. Unless you break through the anodization, it's not going to corrode. To get proper adhesion you need to degrease the flat of the receiver with something like high concentration isopropyl alcohol (99.9% is readily available) which will not only help remove grease, oil, and other contaminants but will get rid of water, too.



The glue on the velcro won't remove the layer of anodizing on the surface of the metal.

It isn't likely to remove cerakote either...but if you want to be sure you can apply a heat gun to soften the adhesive and remove it easily.



Take a piece of cardboard and cut out a template of the receiver. Make sure you leave room for the trigger plate pin to be removed.

Cut a section of the loop material to match the cardboard template.

Degrease the flat of the receiver thoroughly. I usually give it a good wiping down with isopropyl alcohol and call that good. You can go the extra mile with some Dawn dish soap and water, then dry, then hit it with isopropyl alcohol if you want.

Then peel the backer off your velcro section and apply.
80790

Thank you, kind sir. 👍
If I didn’t brain fart so much, I’d have remembered the receiver is anodized aluminum, duh… 🤓 I feel better about adding this now.

[Flyboytim]

So, I put the wrong Velcro side on the receiver, and had to rip it off. It took the Cerakote right off with it. 🤬 I guess I’m married to the notion of a side saddle after all, LOL. Oh well…

[Quasimojo45]

So, I put the wrong Velcro side on the receiver, and had to rip it off. It took the Cerakote right off with it. 🤬 I guess I’m married to the notion of a side saddle after all, LOL. Oh well…

OUCH!

I've never been convinced the 1301 coatings were Cerakote, I believe it is some in house coating they do.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

OUCH!

I've never been convinced the 1301 coatings were Cerakote, I believe it is some in house coating they do.

I'm gonna say no based on that result, also. Cerakote should basically require abrasive blasting to come loose, paint strippers won't touch it either.

[destruya]

I just learned about this thing from a TFB article of someone putting it on a PC Carbine but I wonder if it'd seamlessly match up to an Aridus or GG&G for a really unique look on the 1301: https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/content/resource-center/gunstocks/at-one-mossberg-500-12-ga-stock-381562j79zz

[GearFondler]

I just learned about this thing from a TFB article of someone putting it on a PC Carbine but I wonder if it'd seamlessly match up to an Aridus or GG&G for a really unique look on the 1301: https://www.boydsgunstocks.com/content/resource-center/gunstocks/at-one-mossberg-500-12-ga-stock-381562j79zzWhat would it gain you besides looking strange? I could hang Christmas ornaments on my 1301T for a really unique look but how would it help improve the performance? Maybe if you wanted your 1301 to be strictly a 100+ yard slug gun, but even then I personally don't really see any advantage to it.

[destruya]

What would it gain you besides looking strange? I could hang Christmas ornaments on my 1301T for a really unique look but how would it help improve the performance? Maybe if you wanted your 1301 to be strictly a 100+ yard slug gun, but even then I personally don't really see any advantage to it.

That's not the only stock option they sell. There's a version in the "customizer" that offers left and right thumbhole options as well, which is definitely something new, and you can get a walnut stock instead of laminated wood. Some people dig that. vOv

As for the nightmare above showing the wearing-off of the finish...looking forward to the TFB "update" video when James has to eventually take the Velcro off his ODG 1301, if only to replace it. Glad I went with basic bitch black. >.>

[Flyboytim]

OUCH!

I've never been convinced the 1301 coatings were Cerakote, I believe it is some in house coating they do.

I don’t know much about Cerakote, this was my first gun that had a “coating” of whatever it is. I’ve noticed it comes off with the slightest of abrasion, and never been happy about that. I’ve also never been happy with the color of Beretta’s version of FDE, it has too much green in it if you ask me. Looks nothing like Magpul’s version if we assume their’s is the industry standard, not that it is. Moving forward, I may redo the finish to fix the color and abrasion resistance with something from Vang Comp or such. Would NP3 be an option for corrosion resistance too? 🤔

As to the Velcro job, it was probably a blessing to put the wrong side strip on first. I can’t imagine it staying on with how easily it came off after setting about 20-25 minutes. Food for thought to owners of other “Cerakote” covered 1301’s out there with a Velcro side saddle on them. Meanwhile, it came out looking OK to me, and functions well with the Vang Comp cards:

[SW CQB 45]

these are painted with Aervoe spray paints that I got from Brownells. All I did was degrease with alcohol. I find it more durable than Rustoleum or other Wally World spray paints.

I bet you can get close with some testing (if you want to go the budget route)

I don't think you could mess it up.

https://i.imgur.com/zo4oSRlh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/F6SOva2h.jpg

Here is my SBR freshly painted in 2014. I used it extensively for training classes and duty use. I parked it roughly 2018 as I was assigned one at work.

https://i.imgur.com/SA1JydGl.jpg

Here is a 2020 pic of the same SBR. The paint has held up very well to heavy use, especially on the alum surfaces.

https://i.imgur.com/EOdylF3l.jpg

[Flyboytim]

these are painted with Aervoe spray paints that I got from Brownells. All I did was degrease with alcohol. I find it more durable than Rustoleum or other Wally World spray paints.

I bet you can get close with some testing (if you want to go the budget route)

I don't think you could mess it up. ]

Thanks. That’s good to know. 👍

[HeavyDuty]

My GG&G Mossberg adapter and SGA showed up. The instructions state the buffer is not used. Is that a change from earlier production? I remember several of you mentioning the GG&G retained the buffer.

[HeavyDuty]

My GG&G Mossberg adapter and SGA showed up. The instructions state the buffer is not used. Is that a change from earlier production? I remember several of you mentioning the GG&G retained the buffer.

And… I’m a moron. I thought the silver lever was the buffer, but it became obvious when I installed the stock that GG&G incorporates a replacement buffer in their design.

[OlongJohnson]

I’ve also never been happy with the color of Beretta’s version of FDE, it has too much green in it if you ask me. Looks nothing like Magpul’s version if we assume their’s is the industry standard, not that it is.

That's why I got away from using anything but black for AR components. Everyone's FDE, OD, foliage/forest/etc., grey, etc. is slightly (to a lot) different. Everyone's black is close enough to matching. So you can have BCM, Magpul, whatever components and furniture you want and it will all be black.

Of course, if you're going to do a full rattle can job as seen above, just get whatever's cheapest.

[Flyboytim]

That's why I got away from using anything but black for AR components. Everyone's FDE, OD, foliage/forest/etc., grey, etc. is slightly (to a lot) different. Everyone's black is close enough to matching. So you can have BCM, Magpul, whatever components and furniture you want and it will all be black.

Of course, if you're going to do a full rattle can job as seen above, just get whatever's cheapest.

That’s what I learned from this, my first gun maker FDE experience. I wanted and like, the Black and Tan look, favoring the Magpul “Tan”. I decided to try the FDE gun and the black stock and black Beretta forend because I prefer the OEM forend to the Aridus/Magpul version. Thus my self imposed rock and hard place. In retrospect, I wish I would have bought the less expensive black 1301 and the FDE Magpul stock. Then, I could have painted the black OEM forend to match (hopefully) the Magpul FDE color. Alternatively, I could have sprung for the Aridus/Magpul forend in FDE. Perhaps 1301 #2. 🤔

[e_stern]

For future reference e_stern is now with FN.

Yep, sorry all, it's been a busy few months. I am no longer a Pasta Master Supreme and have now decided to learn how to make Waffles.

I am happy to help with any questions about the platform as I am intimately familiar with it and but YMMV with anything as I am no longer with Pasta HQ.

[OlongJohnson]

Great to have you back, and congrats on the new gig!

Are you allowed to tell us what they actually did to achieve 922(r) compliance on the new 1301s with the extended mag tube?

Can you get FN/Browning to start making and importing the 20-round FNAR mags again? They are going for anywhere from $100-150 on GB and have been for more than a year and a half. Not everyone who bought a BAR MkIII DBM lives in a socialist utopia, and some of us would like to have 20 rounders without paying double.

[e_stern]

Great to have you back, and congrats on the new gig! Thanks!

Are you allowed to tell us what they actually did to achieve 922(r) compliance on the new 1301s with the extended mag tube? US made components. I can't get into specifics. It is most definitely compliant however.

Can you get FN/Browning to start making and importing the 20-round FNAR mags again? They are going for anywhere from $100-150 on GB and have been for more than a year and a half. Not everyone who bought a BAR MkIII DBM lives in a socialist utopia, and some of us would like to have 20 rounders without paying double. I can ask, but it's not exactly my wheelhouse.

[rjohnson4405]

Can I ask what is your wheel house? FN Shotguns specifically? Their handguns have always ALMOST been interesting for me so any steps forward there and I'd be interested as well.

[mmc45414]

I have the Blitzkreig front sight on my guns[/IMG]

These were out of stock on the luminescent version but just back in and on order:
https://www.blitzkriegcomponents.com/benelli-chevron-front-sight-post-luminescent-greentritium-dot.html

[OlongJohnson]

US made components. I can't get into specifics. It is most definitely compliant however.

I assume it must be possible to tell the US-made parts by inspection somehow. And I would think they would need to be distinguished by part number, as maintaining the legality of those guns depends on them not getting the wrong service parts installed down the road.

I guess the only way we'll find out is by someone who has access to both doing a side-by-side detail strip and comparing parts.

[HeavyDuty]

For some reason I can’t search the thread for this. Has anyone tried one of the GG&G light mounts like this one with a Nordic extension? Can the extension be clamped down enough to securely retain it?

https://www.gggaz.com/beretta-1301-qd-sling-and-flashlight-mount.html

[TCinVA]

For some reason I can’t search the thread for this. Has anyone tried one of the GG&G light mounts like this one with a Nordic extension? Can the extension be clamped down enough to securely retain it?

https://www.gggaz.com/beretta-1301-qd-sling-and-flashlight-mount.html

Streamlight makes a similar mount that is cheaper and more versatile (it will work at 3, 6, or 9:00) that I've used as my go-to light mount for years. It's stated to be for the 870 but it will work on any 12 gauge.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1013275024

I have used the Streamlight mount in conjunction with a Nordic extension and with the factory magazine cap with no issues for thousands of shells and in a couple of dozen classes.

[mmc45414]

Has anyone tried one of the GG&G light mounts like this one with a Nordic extension? Can the extension be clamped down enough to securely retain it?
So I cannot exactly answer your question, but I got the sling loop and it is pretty solid, I would think the Nordic nut would be even better than my new 7+1 factory deal. I have the Nordic nut for the 391 and it was every bit as solid as the factory nut, though I didn't use it in exactly that combination. I wouldn't think you would be going too far out on a limb to get one.

[TCinVA]

After looking at the updated 922r compliant gun's magazine setup I think I prefer having the normal mag tube and adding my own extension on it.

Because we keep seeing the same questions over and over again I think I might create a 1301 mod reference as a sticky in this forum to help people find info.

[Oceanbob]

For some reason I can’t search the thread for this. Has anyone tried one of the GG&G light mounts like this one with a Nordic extension? Can the extension be clamped down enough to securely retain it?

https://www.gggaz.com/beretta-1301-qd-sling-and-flashlight-mount.html

Ken
Yes I’ve tried it. For me I took it off because on the Aridus forward stock the RIGHT side pic rail that’s supposed to hold a flash lite was slightly pushed out so that rail wasn’t square. Being somewhat Anal about it I decided that 1. I wanted it to look right.2. I don’t want my gun light on the right side. I am not a fan of a bunch of stuff hanging off the muzzle end..(haha) …I am sure it would work fine for the
factory stock forward handguard. (Like in the photo on GG&G page) but being quite new to this platform and the rather expensive Aridus forward stock that arrived. It had plenty of M lock slots so I decided to keep it clean and simple. I was watching videos and saw Adams 1301 (he owns Aridus Industies) and he had the perfect solution for a flashlight mount (from Odin works) and a neat QD connection both
bolted on the Aridus forward stock. Look at the 3 minute video below.
To answer your question, Yes. The light mount with left hand QD socket will be secure. Just hand tighten the NUT on top and it’s ok.
What the photo doesn’t show is the curve of the sheet metal matches the circumference of the 1301;barrel so that captures mount and prevents it twisting. But for me I choose the Aridus foregrip but if you are going to keep the weapon stock, this mount will work.
If you live in Southern Californistan and can get to Irvine I’ll give it to you.
Be well….Bob
https://youtu.be/8f34TwV7gz4

[Risto]

Has anyone used the magazine barrel clamp on the “enhanced” version to mount a light yet? Looking for direction or recommendations.

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks for the comments on the light mount! I think I’ll give the Streamlight one a try.

[HeavyDuty]

I took delivery of a SIG Romeo4T RDS for the new Rattler, and immediately tried it on the CROM. It has a long nose like the Holosuns - it would require either a notch in the sight housing or a modified hex key. Plus (and since the CROM isn’t mounted this is pure speculation) it may be tall enough to not allow co-witness. Not sure if I’ll order one for the 1301T or not.

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[mmc45414]

Has anyone used the magazine barrel clamp on the “enhanced” version to mount a light yet? Looking for direction or recommendations.
Have not, but this made me think about that, and I am probably going to try one of these:
https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/flashlight-mounts/m-lok-cantilever-rail-light-mount-black-polymer-sku100016298-70966-155368.aspx?sku=100016298

81334

Am thinking it might move it back a little and might work just right. Plus it is only $17, but of course my order will probably add up to $117 before I click the button, but such is life... :cool:

[TripleP]

Have not, but this made me think about that, and I am probably going to try one of these:
https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/flashlight-mounts/m-lok-cantilever-rail-light-mount-black-polymer-sku100016298-70966-155368.aspx?sku=100016298

81334

Am thinking it might move it back a little and might work just right. Plus it is only $17, but of course my order will probably add up to $117 before I click the button, but such is life... :cool:

I used something similar to mount a X300U-A.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46767-1301-Light-Solution&p=1283863&viewfull=1#post1283863

[HeavyDuty]

Thanks for the comments on the light mount! I think I’ll give the Streamlight one a try.

The Steamlight mount arrived and fits fine. It puts the light in a much better position. Thank you for the lead, TCinVA !

[destruya]

Have not, but this made me think about that, and I am probably going to try one of these:
https://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/flashlight-mounts/m-lok-cantilever-rail-light-mount-black-polymer-sku100016298-70966-155368.aspx?sku=100016298

81334

Am thinking it might move it back a little and might work just right. Plus it is only $17, but of course my order will probably add up to $117 before I click the button, but such is life... :cool:

I'd advise against polymer. Spend a little more and get the aluminum one.

If it's not too late, that is.

[HeavyDuty]

I'd advise against polymer. Spend a little more and get the aluminum one.

If it's not too late, that is.

I’ve had good luck with the Magpul polymer ones for low stress applications like light mounts. I wouldn’t trust other brands, and would be careful to avoid counterfeits.

[mmc45414]

I used something similar to mount a X300U-A.
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46767-1301-Light-Solution&p=1283863&viewfull=1#post1283863

I'd advise against polymer. Spend a little more and get the aluminum one.
If it's not too late, that is.

I’ve had good luck with the Magpul polymer ones for low stress applications like light mounts. I wouldn’t trust other brands, and would be careful to avoid counterfeits.
Haven't ordered anything yet, I have the Magpul in my cart on Brownells and the Ergo in my cart on Amazon.
Considering that it will be screwed into a polymer mount I would think the polymer Magpul would be a reasonable solution, and is only $17 (Edge shipping).
But that Ergo looks like it is really tucked in there nice and close, and is only $39 (Prime shipping).
Now I start circling the drain... :cool:

[destruya]

If/when buying anything Magpul, always chuck the MAG SKU ID into Lanbo's Armory first. Their price for the polymer mount is $10.50 and $24.53 for the aluminum. It does help to cram as much as you can onto one order because of the $10 flat rate shipping, though. They've also got really good prices on the SGA stocks.

If for whatever reason you buy more than $100, use the code "facebook" to save an extra $5. And yes, their website design *does* suck, but they've never screwed me over before. They also sell GG&G stuff for the 1301T cheaper than GG&G sells it natively.

[RancidSumo]

Someone at GG&G must read this thread. Got an email today about the "All Important Heavy Load Spring Tensioned Bolt Recoil Buffer" in their stock adapters. Here is what they have to say about it:


The specially designed GG&G Spring Tensioned Bolt Recoil Buffer is very similar to the bolt recoil buffer designed by Beretta engineers and installed in all factory 1301's, to absorb the shock of the bolt under recoil and stop the bolt from striking the rear of the aluminum receiver, potentially causing operational damage. Yes, there is one in your 1301 and yes, you need it! If the Beretta engineers felt this component was absolutely necessary for operational longevity and safe operation, the GG&G engineers of course followed suit, and designed the GG&G Spring Tensioned Bolt Recoil Buffer to fit the GG&G Beretta 1301 adapters and both Magpul Stocks.

The Spring Tensioned Bolt Recoil Buffer is not only for heavy loads! During testing, some medium load ammunition has caused the bolt to strike the spring loaded plunger.

Make of that what you will.

[Chewbacca10]

After looking at the updated 922r compliant gun's magazine setup I think I prefer having the normal mag tube and adding my own extension on it.

TCinVA

If you install the extension, you have to replace other parts as well to stay compliant with 922r, correct? Apologies if you have answered this elsewhere.

[testudo]

I don't have anything new to add but I feel like after referring to this thread for years and finally having a 1301 in my possession I should make a post.

Thoughts:
1. The gun doesn't really need any upgrades other than a way to mount a light. I am going to copy this method,

https://www.reddit.com/r/beretta1301/comments/qor6b7/tactical_rail_forend_mod_sga_spacer

I hate tape switches so this should do the trick.

I did switch to a Blitzkrieg non-tritium front sight, but would have been fine with the stock front sight post. I'll add a magazine extension and a QD socket in the rear, but again I would be fine without them. I have no plans to switch furniture. I have a SGA on my pump so I know what they are like, but the stock that comes on the 1301 is great. I've looked at the Aridus and Briley handguards and both have aspects I don't like. I also have a sling for the gun if needed.

Note about adding QD cups: My plan was to JB Weld one in the void left from removing the stock sling stud and then add one higher up on the side for primary use. I did not take my time to think things out and ran into a self-made issue.

A QD can be added to the side with ease. No problem there.

I am not an engineer, but it looks like the sling stud also acts as an anchor for the stock insert and should not be permanently removed. I am an oaf and managed to damage my insert by being careless. I'll end up with the two QDs as I originally envisioned, but if I was going to do it over I would only add the QD to the side of the stock.

2. For how light the gun is it doesn't recoil much. I went through about 130 shells of full power buck and 25 slugs in a short amount of time without issue. No hiccups from the gun either.

3. I had a tough time choosing between the tactical and 21" comp guns (this goes back to the early posts from DocGKR). I did not have a chance to hold either one before purchasing, so I had to go by what others recommended. If a 18" comp model existed I would have gone with that. In the end I went with the 18" gun.

4. I know this is not surprising, but compared to my pump the 1301 patterns better. The groups seemed more consistent and a little tighter. This was with case with 3 different loads and one other load was about the same.

[HeavyDuty]

An unpleasant surprise.

I tried moving my Romeo5 over to the 1301T on a CROM as a placeholder, and found it will not cowitness.

Can we come up with a definitive list of Micro format RDS that will cowitness on a CROM?

* T-1/2
* H-1/2

What else?

[trajiiic]

An unpleasant surprise.

I tried moving my Romeo5 over to the 1301T on a CROM as a placeholder, and found it will not cowitness.

Can we come up with a definitive list of Micro format RDS that will cowitness on a CROM?

* T-1/2
* H-1/2

What else?

I'm curious, is it too tall?

The height is the issue I had trying to get a 1/3 cowitness on my AR. I put a Romeo5 on a DD aimpoint mount that comes with a spacer to make an aimpoint 1/3 with standard iron sights. I discovered that the Romeo 5 will 1/3ish cowitness with a full witness height mount.

I have the Romeo5 on my factory rail right now and thought about getting a CROM later. Thanks for this info.

[trajiiic]

https://www.syringeshotgunspeedloader.com/product-page/5-round-syringe

I thought this looked pretty cool. I might pick one up just to see how it works in the 1301 with the comp-pro lifter.

[HeavyDuty]

I'm curious, is it too tall?

The height is the issue I had trying to get a 1/3 cowitness on my AR. I put a Romeo5 on a DD aimpoint mount that comes with a spacer to make an aimpoint 1/3 with standard iron sights. I discovered that the Romeo 5 will 1/3ish cowitness with a full witness height mount.

I have the Romeo5 on my factory rail right now and thought about getting a CROM later. Thanks for this info.

Yes, too tall - the irons are below the tube.

[i am No One]

An unpleasant surprise.

I tried moving my Romeo5 over to the 1301T on a CROM as a placeholder, and found it will not cowitness.

Can we come up with a definitive list of Micro format RDS that will cowitness on a CROM?

* T-1/2
* H-1/2

What else?

Someone did say 503g cowitness but you have to either cut an allen wrench or dremel the 503g. I'll go and add it anyway.

* T-1/2
* H-1/2
* 503g

[Sharkbite]

BTW, both versions of the Aimpoint Micro CROM are in stock currently.

Merry Christmas!

[Centerfire]

BTW, both versions of the Aimpoint Micro CROM are in stock currently.

Merry Christmas!

Where?

[Sharkbite]

Where?

Aridus industries.

https://www.aridusindustries.com/products/beretta-1301-tactical-aimpoint-micro-crom/

[OlongJohnson]

TCinVA

If you install the extension, you have to replace other parts as well to stay compliant with 922r, correct? Apologies if you have answered this elsewhere.

I'm not TC, but yes. The problem is, Beretta isn't talking when asked what the other parts are.

We need somebody to detail strip old and new side by side and attempt to identify the parts that are different.