Beretta 1301 Tactical

[CoGT3]

Why is this better than the wonderful factory butt stock? Now a Magpul fore end would get my attention.

I am probably in the minority but my first long gun was an AR. didn't grow up shooting traditional shotguns or bolt rifles. For me, the 1301 feels foreign compared to an AR. I have the Mesa stock also but think it really goes too far toward an AR pistol grip stock for the 1301. The 870's I've handled with the Magpul stock seem to stick the right balance between the 1301 stock and the full pistol gripped Mesa.

The other issue is likely to be fixed by the integral aimpoint mount. My micro on a larue qd mount just sits too high to get a reliable cheek weld with 1301 stock. The riser on the Mesa and Magpul help, but may not be required with the integral mount.

I do agree, a MLOK Magpul hand guard is the last price of the puzzle.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[nalesq]

Don't think it matters much. My light is in the left side and rests against the wall. The shot lock is wide enough that the angling doesn't cause a problem.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/88aa0678158f812de60f3753c819252c.jpg





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Good to know, because I have been considering the Shot Lock. Do you think a mounted optic would cause any problems? I plan on mounting an Aimpoint Micro or RMR on my 1301 as soon as a direct mount or steel optic rail is available.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Yes, the previously posted item is in fact a stock adapter (not Magpul specific, but it is the best stock out there) for the 1301.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170115/705a731d3722a15104d4f7ecc0eeccd2.jpg

The plan is definitely to get them into production, but there's a little ways to go before then. I'm certainly working on it though.

[nycnoob]

Yes, the previously posted item is in fact a stock adapter (not Magpul specific, but it is the best stock out there) for the 1301.



I am really looking forward to this and to Langdon's 1301T
I believe they will go great together.


Has anyone heard an update about the Langdon project? I nudged him
in October and he was optimistic about it reaching completion
but Baretta had not really started moving on it at that time.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I am really looking forward to this and to Langdon's 1301T
I believe they will go great together.


Has anyone heard an update about the Langdon project? I nudged him
in October and he was optimistic about it reaching completion
but Baretta had not really started moving on it at that time.
What's he doing? I haven't heard anything about it.

[vandal]

Optic would definitely not fit.


Good to know, because I have been considering the Shot Lock. Do you think a mounted optic would cause any problems? I plan on mounting an Aimpoint Micro or RMR on my 1301 as soon as a direct mount or steel optic rail is available.




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[nycnoob]

What's he doing? I haven't heard anything about it.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=447705&viewfull=1#post447705




Now if I can just get Beretta to build the 1301 Tactical.......
On the 3.5" competition receiver (so then it will take the 21" and 24" barrels from the comp)
with a 18" Vent Rib barrel
with pistol sight dove tails front and rear (also put those on the 21" and 24" barrels)
with no ghost ring sights (so 1995)
with an aluminum true Picatinny rail
with M-Lock slots on the fore end
with QD sling mounts on the stock and fore end

Then I would be really happy :)


-05-23-2016, 04:56 PM #1102
-LangdonTactical


As I said earlier, I nudged him about this in October he indicated that this was going to happen but he had no dates.


I also asked him if he could also get a magpul stock Clearly he was thinking of you Spydy:
"I know that people have made some adapters to make the MagPul Stocks work. I don't think they are production items yet."

[SLG]

I am a big fan of Ghost rings to this day, but it seems fewer and fewer are.

Having said that, sights on a shotgun are the least important of any weapon, and I think a classic express setup might have merit here. The only reason I would prefer not to have Ghost Rings, is so that i can simply swap barrels and use it for things other than tactical.

[LOKNLOD]

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10177-Beretta-1301-Tactical&p=447705&viewfull=1#post447705

Yeah...file that in the "shut up and take my money" folder.

[nalesq]

Optic would definitely not fit.






Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Boooooo!!!

[John Hearne]

I am a big fan of Ghost rings to this day, but it seems fewer and fewer are.


A while back, we took 3 870's to the range - one with a bead, one with ghost rings, and one with the Trijicon replacement for the factory rifle sights (think big blocky pistol sights). We played around with all three including shooting skeet. Everyone loved the Trijicon replacement sights. For moving targets, you can ignore rear and still hit well. For slugs, there is more than enough accuracy on tap. The ghost rings may allow a bit more precision with slugs at 100+ yards but this feels like a poor compromise for their being (slightly) slower up close.

[4gallonbucket]

Please forgive me if this has already been addressed in the thread, but is there enough meat in the barrel muzzle to thread for choke tubes in the 18" 1301t ?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SLG]

A while back, we took 3 870's to the range - one with a bead, one with ghost rings, and one with the Trijicon replacement for the factory rifle sights (think big blocky pistol sights). We played around with all three including shooting skeet. Everyone loved the Trijicon replacement sights. For moving targets, you can ignore rear and still hit well. For slugs, there is more than enough accuracy on tap. The ghost rings may allow a bit more precision with slugs at 100+ yards but this feels like a poor compromise for their being (slightly) slower up close.

My work gun has those trijicon sights. They are my least favorite option, and long experience has proven them too fragile for my taste.

I'd take (and I have) a bead over them anyday.

Ghost rings are funny. They are only slow up close if you force the issue. If you shoot the gun like a shotgun was intended to be shot, then they are as fast as anything, and offer more precision at range when you want it.

I don't have much experience with them, but I think true express sights might be the best compromise if you can't have a red dot.

Also, I pretty much treat my 870 as a big bore rifle, and only load slugs. Not the best use for a shotgun, but this is 2017 and there are just better long guns to take for professional use.

[Unobtanium]

My work gun has those trijicon sights. They are my least favorite option, and long experience has proven them too fragile for my taste.

I'd take (and I have) a bead over them anyday.

Ghost rings are funny. They are only slow up close if you force the issue. If you shoot the gun like a shotgun was intended to be shot, then they are as fast as anything, and offer more precision at range when you want it.

I don't have much experience with them, but I think true express sights might be the best compromise if you can't have a red dot.

Also, I pretty much treat my 870 as a big bore rifle, and only load slugs. Not the best use for a shotgun, but this is 2017 and there are just better long guns to take for professional use.

I shot a bird with my M1014 once. Just snapped the gun up and shot it. It was at about 20 yards and flying at a 90* to me. I just threw the gun up and BOOM! Somehow, the ghost-rings did not save the bird.

[nycnoob]

Yes, the previously posted item is in fact a stock adapter (not Magpul specific, but it is the best stock out there) for the 1301.



As long as you are working on making my dreams come true, I have
a request. I live in a state where I can not have a "adjustable"
or "folding" stock. If it were possible to have a "removable
stock" that would be nice for having some kind of a "truck gun".


Its probably not possible, but if you could rattle it around in
your head for a bit I would appreciate it.

[TCinVA]

I am a big fan of Ghost rings to this day, but it seems fewer and fewer are.

Having said that, sights on a shotgun are the least important of any weapon, and I think a classic express setup might have merit here. The only reason I would prefer not to have Ghost Rings, is so that i can simply swap barrels and use it for things other than tactical.

I'm installing XS sights on my Wingmaster when it gets back from Berryville...but I am quite fond of the ghost rings on my 1301s.

I tried the XS sights on one of Tom's guns at the instructor class and they work a treat.

[SLG]

I'm installing XS sights on my Wingmaster when it gets back from Berryville...but I am quite fond of the ghost rings on my 1301s.

I tried the XS sights on one of Tom's guns at the instructor class and they work a treat.

I'd like to check it out in march, if possible.

[TCinVA]

I'd like to check it out in march, if possible.

Absolutely. Assuming the folks at Berryville finish it by then I will happily bring it along so that others may gaze upon its pimptastic wonder.

[John Hearne]

My work gun has those trijicon sights. They are my least favorite option, and long experience has proven them too fragile for my taste.

Also, I pretty much treat my 870 as a big bore rifle, and only load slugs. Not the best use for a shotgun, but this is 2017 and there are just better long guns to take for professional use.

Interesting. What have you seen break? I've run a set on my work gun for long enough that the tritium is dim. They've been through several shotgun classes and not treated in a loving fashion.

I keep mine stuffed with Brennekes with Brennekes in the side saddle for no reason but vehicles.

[Doug]

New Aimpoint for shotgun. This looks like a good optic and low mounting option for the 1301 competition versions.


http://youtu.be/5ZxLU4fAjCk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SeriousStudent]

New Aimpoint for shotgun. This looks like a good optic and low mounting option for the 1301 competition versions.

http://youtu.be/5ZxLU4fAjCk


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That would be perfect for a lot of LEO's. I know Darryl talked about swapping parts on his patrol shotgun every shift. Just bring your Surefire 618 light and a barrel, and about a minute later you are ready to go repel boarders.

I'll probably end up with an S-1 to go with my other Aimpoint-equipped shotguns.

[Rex G]

New Aimpoint for shotgun. This looks like a good optic and low mounting option for the 1301 competition versions.


http://youtu.be/5ZxLU4fAjCk






Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This one has my attention! Thanks for the heads-up!

[SLG]

Interesting. What have you seen break? I've run a set on my work gun for long enough that the tritium is dim. They've been through several shotgun classes and not treated in a loving fashion.

I keep mine stuffed with Brennekes with Brennekes in the side saddle for no reason but vehicles.

Mostly the rear sight. It just comes off. Very small screw holding it on. Correct me, but I think you have your gun mounted in a rack? Ours tend to be loose in the trunk or truck vault, and that is probably not an ideal way to store them;-)

I should also say that a person's eyesight probably plays a large role in whether they like ghost rings or irons or beads or something else.

[John Hearne]

Mostly the rear sight. It just comes off. Very small screw holding it on. Correct me, but I think you have your gun mounted in a rack? Ours tend to be loose in the trunk or truck vault, and that is probably not an ideal way to store them;-)

Ours are in locking racks, in the passenger's compartment by policy. Hard won less from the loss of Ranger Joe: http://www.odmp.org/officer/15106-park-ranger-joseph-david-kolodski

It may help that I'm running the sights for the 18" gun on a 14" gun so the rear sight is all the way back to get it zeroed properly.

[GyroF-16]

Respectfully, for $1 more, you can get a perfect one. What's your angle?

Okay- where are people finding a 1301T for $799 these days? I'm finally ready to throw down and buy one... but Gunbroker listings lately are all MSRP-ish, and the best I can find is $847 here:
http://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-1301-Tactical-Semi-Auto-12-GA-Shotgun-p/j131t18le.htm

Can I do better?

Thanks,
Gyro

[fishing]

Mostly the rear sight. It just comes off. Very small screw holding it on. Correct me, but I think you have your gun mounted in a rack? Ours tend to be loose in the trunk or truck vault, and that is probably not an ideal way to store them;-)

I should also say that a person's eyesight probably plays a large role in whether they like ghost rings or irons or beads or something else.

What rear sight do you have on your 870?
If they are the type I'm thinking of, "bedding" the sight with some creeping loctite is great for peace of mind (bedding as in letting some of the loctite creep into where the sight attaches utilizing capillary action).

[SLG]

What rear sight do you have on your 870?
If they are the type I'm thinking of, "bedding" the sight with some creeping loctite is great for peace of mind (bedding as in letting some of the loctite creep into where the sight attaches utilizing capillary action).

That's probably a good idea. I may give that a shot, but truthfully, I only have my work 870 so that I can hand it off to someone who didn't think to bring a long gun. Doesn't mean I should treat the gun worse, just that it's lower on the list of things to do.

[fishing]

That's probably a good idea. I may give that a shot, but truthfully, I only have my work 870 so that I can hand it off to someone who didn't think to bring a long gun. Doesn't mean I should treat the gun worse, just that it's lower on the list of things to do.

seems to me that if you're gonna be in a situation where you need someone else to have a long arm as well, you'd want to have the best chance of that puppy being good to go.

[SLG]

seems to me that if you're gonna be in a situation where you need someone else to have a long arm as well, you'd want to have the best chance of that puppy being good to go.

Hence "...Doesn't mean I should treat the gun worse,..."

But reality is, ..."it's lower on the list of things to do."

[GhastlyTT]

Okay- where are people finding a 1301T for $799 these days? I'm finally ready to throw down and buy one... but Gunbroker listings lately are all MSRP-ish, and the best I can find is $847 here:
http://www.armsunlimited.com/Beretta-1301-Tactical-Semi-Auto-12-GA-Shotgun-p/j131t18le.htm

Can I do better?

Thanks,
Gyro
Your linked vendor was the 799 deal as of a few days ago. Looks like they raised their price.

[CoGT3]

Yes, the previously posted item is in fact a stock adapter (not Magpul specific, but it is the best stock out there) for the 1301.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170115/705a731d3722a15104d4f7ecc0eeccd2.jpg

The plan is definitely to get them into production, but there's a little ways to go before then. I'm certainly working on it though.

Getting some SHOT show love.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/18/dedicated-beretta-1301-tactical-co-witnessing-aimpoint-mount-shot-2017/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

[SpyderMan2k4]

Getting some SHOT show love.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/01/18/dedicated-beretta-1301-tactical-co-witnessing-aimpoint-mount-shot-2017/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
Yeah it was a great week. Gotta love the comments lol.

Not to toot my own horn, but every single person to actually handle it was incredibly excited about it (at least the people I've heard from, a lot of which are very highly regarded and are in high places with various companies). There's just one more thing I need to verify before finalizing the design and begin beta testing.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

That sounds very promising Adam, looking forward to having one on my 1301T later this yr once they go live.

Not trying to put the cart before the horse but do you think its *possible* that the MP stock adapter will be available also in 2017?

[SpyderMan2k4]

That sounds very promising Adam, looking forward to having one on my 1301T later this yr once they go live.

Not trying to put the cart before the horse but do you think its *possible* that the MP stock adapter will be available also in 2017?

No promises, but it's very possible... that's the goal at least. There's a few aspects of it all that I'm in the process of working out now. There's a lot of variables, though.

[CoGT3]

Yeah it was a great week. Gotta love the comments lol.

Not to toot my own horn, but every single person to actually handle it was incredibly excited about it (at least the people I've heard from, a lot of which are very highly regarded and are in high places with various companies). There's just one more thing I need to verify before finalizing the design and begin beta testing.

Very excited personally. Ready to pull the Mesa tactical rail/shell holder off and replace with the aim point mount and shell cards. Mapgul stock adapter is icing on the cake.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro

[nycnoob]

SpyderMan2k4,

One more thing for you to think about.

I know a woman who would really like the MagPul stock but her arms are too short.
There may be a (small) market for people who need another inch removed from the MagPul stock.
I can not see a way to do it.


For 870 LOP comes in these sizes:
Compact Junior 12"
youth stock 13"
adult stock 14"

MagPul SGA stock 12.5" to 14.5"

[SpyderMan2k4]

SpyderMan2k4,

One more thing for you to think about.

I know a woman who would really like the MagPul stock but her arms are too short.
There may be a (small) market for people who need another inch removed from the MagPul stock.
I can not see a way to do it.


For 870 LOP comes in these sizes:
Compact Junior 12"
youth stock 13"
adult stock 14"

MagPul SGA stock 12.5" to 14.5"


It's important to note that it's not a Magpul stock adapter, it's a Mossberg stock adapter, and decreases the typical LOP (The Magpul stock ends up about 12 3/8). So the adapter could be used with the hogue youth stock for a shorter LOP on the 1301

[Shellback]

There's just one more thing I need to verify before finalizing the design and begin beta testing.

I know a certain someone in NY who would love one... :)

[HeavyDuty]

Yes, the previously posted item is in fact a stock adapter (not Magpul specific, but it is the best stock out there) for the 1301.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170115/705a731d3722a15104d4f7ecc0eeccd2.jpg

The plan is definitely to get them into production, but there's a little ways to go before then. I'm certainly working on it though.

Oh, yes - color me interested! I really like the SGA on my M590A1, and I think it would be ideal on my 1301-T, too.

[Unobtanium]

How is the elevation of the rear ghost ring performed? Is it elevation adj. with the T2 mount as pictured above my post?

Is there a legit way of mounting a light on this thing, yet?

With that Magpul stock adapter, I'm really starting to like the 1301T and am kindof considering jumping ship on the Benelli M4, but not until a proper light mount is also available, and a few other things.

[SpyderMan2k4]

How is the elevation of the rear ghost ring performed? Is it elevation adj. with the T2 mount as pictured above my post?

Is there a legit way of mounting a light on this thing, yet?

With that Magpul stock adapter, I'm really starting to like the 1301T and am kindof considering jumping ship on the Benelli M4, but not until a proper light mount is also available, and a few other things.
The rear sight is an xs dovetail and aperture. The aperture is threaded and screws into the dovetail portion, up or down, for elevation adjustment. The dovetail adjusts the windage, and the set screws lock it all into place.

I'm curious, what are the "few other things?"

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Re. this question Uno > " Is there a legit way of mounting a light on this thing, yet? "

I'm a mere sample of one but have had zero issues running a Nordic extension tube on my 1301T thru a HITs SG class & sev. 3G's since last Nov.

I'm UNC where/how you run a light on your M4 but the Nordic option has the added benefit of letting the user swap the sling & light mounts from side to side, which for a satan hander like myself is value added IMO.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Re. this question Uno > " Is there a legit way of mounting a light on this thing, yet? "

I'm a mere sample of one but have had zero issues running my Nordic extension tube that has reversible light & sling mounts thru a HITs SG class & sev. 3G's since last Nov.
Same here. Granted there are reasons to not run the tube, but if the extension is something you'd like, that setup is probably the best thing going for a light. Without the extension it's problematic

[vandal]

Are people running light on the right and sling on the left? That would then call for a pressure switch for a right hander. I'd like to avoid pressure switch and run qd sling and light on the left which afaik is not currently doable.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Unobtanium]

Same here. Granted there are reasons to not run the tube, but if the extension is something you'd like, that setup is probably the best thing going for a light. Without the extension it's problematic

I don't really like running a light on the mag extension. The Benelli M4 has awesome light mounting solutions currently. That is something I required before I got back into the shotgun game: A way to permanently mount a light that did not clamp around the barrel, or mag-tube.
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/static/cache/57/07/5707960633e13e3ea0941a747b2b4329.jpg
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/multi-light-benelli-m4-mount-scout/

The other thing I wanted was a RDS and ability to co-witness. Scalarworks has handled that with the T2 setup they are coming out with at the end of next month.

The other thing I am interested in is, will Beretta fix the mag-dump issue themselves, or is this add-on piece the only way around that will exist?
Further, I am wanting to know how they are holding up to serious pounding year in and year out with buckshot. Are those action rails welded to the carrier an issue? Are the gas-rings doing what the 11-87's did with lots of slug-use and lead-fouling? So far it would seem neither of these is the case.

I am also curious about the trigger group due to the strain the hammer puts on it. Is it like a Glock frame with metal reinforcement and bearing surfaces on things like the hammer pivot pin (or whatever it's called), or is it a big chunk of nylon or whatever?

[Chuck Whitlock]

I know a woman who would really like the MagPul stock but her arms are too short.
There may be a (small) market for people who need another inch removed from the MagPul stock.
I can not see a way to do it.


For 870 LOP comes in these sizes:
Compact Junior 12"
youth stock 13"
adult stock 14"



It's important to note that it's not a Magpul stock adapter, it's a Mossberg stock adapter, and decreases the typical LOP (The Magpul stock ends up about 12 3/8). So the adapter could be used with the hogue youth stock for a shorter LOP on the 1301

Since it is a Mossberg adapter, I wonder if this stock would fit:

http://www.mossberg.com/product/510-youth-mini-super-bantam-all-purpose-field-50485/

[Poconnor]

I emailed IWC. I asked if their benelli M4 light mount will fit the 1301. Their reply- "I don't know". I understand they must get a lot of stupid questions but I would think since many tube fed shotguns are similar in dimensions it's worth them checking just for potential sales. One part, multiple models .
So who has a benelli M4 and a 1301 and wants to be a beta tester?

[Unobtanium]

I emailed IWC. I asked if their benelli M4 light mount will fit the 1301. Their reply- "I don't know". I understand they must get a lot of stupid questions but I would think since many tube fed shotguns are similar in dimensions it's worth them checking just for potential sales. One part, multiple models .
So who has a benelli M4 and a 1301 and wants to be a beta tester?

It won't. I'm honestly kindof disappointed that they would give a false hope about it with "I don't know". Although that's probably a technically correct answer for them. Nothing on the 1301 would interface with IWC's mount.

[HeavyDuty]

It won't. I'm honestly kindof disappointed that they would give a false hope about it with "I don't know". Although that's probably a technically correct answer for them. Nothing on the 1301 would interface with IWC's mount.

How is that false hope? I know one of the principals at IWC, he's giving it to you straight - they are a small company, and unless one of them actually owns a 1301-T they have no way of knowing. IWCs product line is very broad, something they make may well work for the 1301-T - and unless *you* own all the IWC products how can you say nothing will work?

[LittleLebowski]

Sounded like an honest answer to me :D

[Unobtanium]

How is that false hope? I know one of the principals at IWC, he's giving it to you straight - they are a small company, and unless one of them actually owns a 1301-T they have no way of knowing. IWCs product line is very broad, something they make may well work for the 1301-T - and unless *you* own all the IWC products how can you say nothing will work?

Because I can look at a picture of a 1301 and tell you it won't work. It's not even in the same zipcode.

It was designed for the Benelli M4, and fits it perfectly. The only way it's fitting another shotgun, is if the barrel hanger measures identically, and has the identical groove for the sling mount and snap ring.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/glockfire/DSC_0463_zpsq3rntyna.jpg

[Unobtanium]

One question I have about the mounting of an optic like a T1/T2 to a shotgun, and slug use...does removing the barrel for cleaning/maintenance necessitate a re-zero, or is the zero-shift so immeasurable for this platform's precision (<0.5MOA) that it doesn't matter?

[Poconnor]

I appreciated IWCs quick answer but I would have been happier if I was told "I don't know but I'll put it on my list to check" I wasn't expecting a drop in fit but I was hoping I could fit their mount to fit. I ordered a cheap streamlight 870 mount to try first. I also want to try and fit a side saddle

[Unobtanium]

I appreciated IWCs quick answer but I would have been happier if I was told "I don't know but I'll put it on my list to check" I wasn't expecting a drop in fit but I was hoping I could fit their mount to fit. I ordered a cheap streamlight 870 mount to try first. I also want to try and fit a side saddle

There is no place for the IWC mount to fit on the 1301. The 1301 will necessitate an entirely different type of mount. So far, the best integrated is the one Beretta Defense was showing, from Steiner. At least, that's my opinion anyway. It does remove the ability to mount a mag extension, though.
http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSC02098.jpg

I am not really into the switchology of it though regarding ergos.

[Doug]

I am not really into the switchology of it though regarding ergos.

You would think they would have made some type of tape/switch option by now.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SpyderMan2k4]

I'm pretty sure the 12 gauge and 20 gauge take different stocks. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would work.

Since it is a Mossberg adapter, I wonder if this stock would fit:

http://www.mossberg.com/product/510-youth-mini-super-bantam-all-purpose-field-50485/

[rossini]

Wow this thread is beyond thorough.. But two simple questions I'm looking for answers to that I'm sure are covered in the 185+ pages of content:

1. What's the consensus simple fix for the malfunction issue?

2. What's the most recommended mag extension out there?

[SpyderMan2k4]

Wow this thread is beyond thorough.. But two simple questions I'm looking for answers to that I'm sure are covered in the 185+ pages of content:

1. What's the consensus simple fix for the malfunction issue?

2. What's the most recommended mag extension out there?
1. Either a shroud from TAU (Tom's) or the Aridus Industries YT-1301 latch and shroud (mine).

2. The Nordic Components extension seems to be the overwhelming favorite.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

1. Either a shroud from TAU (Tom's) or the Aridus Industries YT-1301 latch and shroud (mine).

2. The Nordic Components extension seems to be the overwhelming favorite.

A mere sample of one but agreed w/ Adam on both as I have sev hundred rds. down range w/ the Nordic & his shroud w/ zero issues using both.

[Chuck Whitlock]

Since it is a Mossberg adapter, I wonder if this stock would fit:

http://www.mossberg.com/product/510-youth-mini-super-bantam-all-purpose-field-50485/


I'm pretty sure the 12 gauge and 20 gauge take different stocks. I could be wrong, but I don't think it would work.

You're probably right. I think that it might actually be a .410-sized receiver.

[RevM]

Just read through this whole thread yesterday (was laid up with a cold so it was a nice diversion!).

I've got a 1301 Comp 21 on the way in the next week that I intend to use as a do-all SG. I'm planning on taking a SG gunfighting course in April and need to get it sorted out before then ... figure I might just use it for turkey season as well!

I've ordered the following parts to get it set up:
TJ's Low Profile Bolt Release Shroud
KE Arms Aimpoint Micro Mount
Nordic MXT +3 Extension kit (on a super clearance deal at MidwayUSA right now BTW)
Nordic Extension Nut (not included with the kit)
Nordic Extension clamp with rail
Nordic Follower
Noveske QD Sling Mount for the Nordic clamp

What are folks doing to attach a sling at the butt stock? I see Doc's photos early in the thread have some kind of wrap around arrangement. It looks like there is a plug on the bottom of the stock for a swivel mount. And finally I read on another forum of adding a Noveske flush mount QD cup in the stock. Any thoughts on the best way to do this?

Anything else that I'm not thinking of or missed?

[nycnoob]

What are folks doing to attach a sling at the butt stock? I see Doc's photos early in the thread have some kind of wrap around arrangement. It looks like there is a plug on the bottom of the stock for a swivel mount.


The plug in the bottom of the stock holds a screw which doubles as as sling mount.
It will take standard AR15 QD swivels. The problem is that it is screwed in just
a bit too deep so the QD will not grab hold. The two solutions I have heard of are:


1) file off a bit of the plastic stock around the screw.


2) remove the screw then drop a washer down the hole before replacing it.
Now when you tighten the screw it will stick out just a bit from the stock.

[nalesq]

If you don't want to bother with the above, just get the Blue Force Gear A2 buttstock sling adapter: https://www.blueforcegear.com/a2-buttstock-adapter.html

[Unobtanium]

I'm still all about that magpul stock on a 1301...when is that thing/adapter coming out?

[Poconnor]

I mounted a streamlight protac (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=as_li_ss_tl?k=streamlight+protac&ref=nb_sb_noss&linkCode=ll2&tag=ratio07-20&linkId=08d839b0166cf447a569443fb81cb208&language=en_US) railmount 1L on my 1301 with an inexpensive streamlight 870 mount. I like the light; especially for 93 bucks from Amazon. I'm not digging the mount. It places the light too far forward ( the light does include remote switch but I don't like remote switches- I have seen too many fail from hard use)
and it projects to far out to the side. The search continues. I am going to get a Nordic extended mag tube with picatinny rail and try mounting an IWC offset thorntail backwards to counter the long forearm. I love the factory forearm, I like the checkering and it's width. I really hope beretta makes one with detachable rail sections. Make that m-lok slots along the forearm.

[HeavyDuty]

The plug in the bottom of the stock holds a screw which doubles as as sling mount.
It will take standard AR15 QD swivels. The problem is that it is screwed in just
a bit too deep so the QD will not grab hold. The two solutions I have heard of are:


1) file off a bit of the plastic stock around the screw.


2) remove the screw then drop a washer down the hole before replacing it.
Now when you tighten the screw it will stick out just a bit from the stock.

When I unscrew the stock sling stud all I have is a threaded hole in the plastic. What QD are you referring to?

[OlongJohnson]

I posted awhile back about being at the range with a buddy who was zeroing his 1301T and started having ~4 inches of horizontal stringing at 25 yards. We took stuff apart and found that the head had popped off one of the OE Beretta screws holding the OE plastic rail to the top of the receiver.

This is a zoomed-in photo of an OE Beretta screw. You can see from the tool marks around the head and on the flat end that it's a screw machine part. The threads are fairly irregular. The Torx-style tool cavity is made by drilling a round hole in the head and then peeling the Torx lobes out of the sides and down into the bottom of the hole. This means the original drilled hole has to be deeper than the actual tool cavity. With the narrow countersink angle (I measure ~60 degrees), the bottom of the drilled hole gets pretty close to the outside of the head, leaving a thin wall with a stress riser around the outside of the hole, and stress risers all over the outside of the fastener due to the tool marks. Machining tiny screws on a lathe, it turns out, is a pretty lousy way to manufacture them. It would be slightly less lousy, in this case, if they had decided to make it a slotted screw. But they didn't.

13921

I looked around on google and fleabay to see if I could find a higher-quality alternative. I found some cheap ones on fleabay, but they turned out to have a 52-degree countersink angle, which is no good. Looked around some more, this time measuring the angle of the countersinks in the photos. Found some that had really close to a 60-degree angle, and ordered them. Shipped from China in six days. Checked tracking this morning and it said they had been handed over to customs. A little while later, the mailman delivered them.

13922 13923

I don't have access to a sweet optical comparator anymore, but by my measuring method, the heads are within a degree or so of the Beretta screws, which is close enough for plastic. (Maybe even closer than the plastic.) The head is properly headed, so the full cavity depth engages the tool. (Although I notice the cavity isn't perfectly centered in the head - these aren't Holo-Krome.) The surfaces of the countersink taper are smooth and uniform, without the tool marks causing weakness. The threads are rolled, so they are smoother and more uniform, with a forged metal structure and no stress risers.

The head does protrude slightly above the bottom of the slots in the rail, so if your device happens to have a cross bolt/bar/whatever that interferes, you might need to move it forward or backward one slot, or maybe grind the head flat and touch it up with something to prevent rust.

I measured the stickout from the bottom of the rail, and it was the same as the OE Beretta screw, so they should be a drop-in upgrade/replacement. I shaved the raised perimeter off the ends, removing about 7 or 8 thousandths without losing thread engagement, just to be double sure I didn't bottom it against the barrel extension. Finished before I thought of sticking a tool down the hole to check the actual clearance. Did that on the sight base holes, and there was way more than enough clearance there.

Speaking of the rear sight base, it is held on with the same crappy screws as the rail. Since the auction is for ten screws, it would be silly to not replace them. It's a good time to clean up all the mold parting flash on the part, which I hadn't really realized makes it look pretty cheap and nasty. Eliminating the roughness around the edges on the bottom surface gives it more uniform contact with the receiver. I don't know how much that helps, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt. With the flash cleaned up and the edges smoothed, the whole unit looks and feels much nicer. Yes, I did that to the furniture, too. Yes, I'm OCD about certain things.

Use blue Loctite on the screws. I rinsed them in solvent to remove any protective oil first, but figured the dry threadlocker on the factory screws probably cleaned enough oil out of those threads, so didn't do anything special to prep the receiver holes.

I still have a plastic rail, not metal. I'm waiting to see pricing and timing on Aridus' Aimpoint mount. But in the mean time, at least I'm a lot more confident my plastic rail will stay properly attached. And for less than $10, that's some good peace of mind.


A note on consistency: Buying hardware from Chinese suppliers on fleabay provides no more guarantee that you will receive exactly what I did than you can expect one box or bag to be the same as the next when buying hardware at Home Depot or Ace Hardware. But since this auction is advertising compatibility with specific systems, the odds are good that whatever you receive will work, even if it's not identical. Not all indexable cutters are the same. Lots of these screws have different angles; 43 degrees is popular, and as mentioned, I got 52 on my first try. There are a variety of head shapes, differing in more than just taper.

Just for reference, most DIN (Euro/German) spec flat head screws have a 90-degree countersink, and most SAE spec flat head screws have an 82-degree countersink. So it's a real PITA to find 60-degree screws.


Link to fleabay auction:
10Pc M4*8 Torx Screws for fixing RPMW1003/10T3 APMT1604 Insert Indexable Cutter (http://www.ebay.com/itm/262430466085)


SKU:M4008-D
Model: M4*8* D5.7
Size:

Screws Diam=4mm
Total length=8mm
Head Diam=5.7mm
Material:12.9 class ultra hard and durable alloy steel
Suitable for T15 Torx Wrench (Not included)
For fixing RPMW1003,RPMT10T3,APMT1604,APGT1604,APKT1604 Insert (Not included)
Origin:China
Price contain: 10Pcs M4*8 Torx Screws

[BigT]

Warning this post contains gaymerfag content

This all falls under the heading of "this may be of interest to you"

Last weekend was the first round of our IPSC Shotgun Nationals(our nationals are different to uspsa in that they aren't one per division per year but mixed matches held twice a year for shotgun and rifle and three times a year for handguns)

In Standard Division , semi auto tube guns with no comps or optics, the 1301 seems to be rapidly becoming most popular choice for the division amongst the guys shooting seriously. 11 guys in my squad and 9 of them were shooting a 24" 1301 Comp. Set ups normally involve a tube extension that takes capacity up to 10-12 +1 , a match saver and loading ports cut to quad load.

I recall seeing two stoppages, one on a round of Spanish buckshot and I my gun decided to have its first ever stoppage with decent ammo in a few thousand rounds as I shot an activator that activated two disappearing targets, because that's obviously when its going to happen. Other than that all the guns seemed to run very well on a wide variety of ammo makes and loads across buck slug and bird. Far better reliability than I've seen shooting matches in the pump division.

At least two of the top three finishers in Standard used 1301's , I'm not sure of the guy who cam third he was in a different squad.

Mine seems to patter particularly well and seems to shoots the slugs Ive tried consistently POA/POI. Recoils less than an inertia gun and seems to cycle at least as fast. I can get .5-.16 splits on mine, and I think the gun could go faster.

Mine has been more reliable than my previous Remington 870 ,Benelli SuperNova, Winchester 1300 and Franchi Affinity

[HeavyDuty]

I posted awhile back about being at the range with a buddy who was zeroing his 1301T and started having ~4 inches of horizontal stringing at 25 yards. We took stuff apart and found that the head had popped off one of the OE Beretta screws holding the OE plastic rail to the top of the receiver.

This is a zoomed-in photo of an OE Beretta screw. You can see from the tool marks around the head and on the flat end that it's a screw machine part. The threads are fairly irregular. The Torx-style tool cavity is made by drilling a round hole in the head and then peeling the Torx lobes out of the sides and down into the bottom of the hole. This means the original drilled hole has to be deeper than the actual tool cavity. With the narrow countersink angle (I measure ~60 degrees), the bottom of the drilled hole gets pretty close to the outside of the head, leaving a thin wall with a stress riser around the outside of the hole, and stress risers all over the outside of the fastener due to the tool marks. Machining tiny screws on a lathe, it turns out, is a pretty lousy way to manufacture them. It would be slightly less lousy, in this case, if they had decided to make it a slotted screw. But they didn't.

13921

I looked around on google and fleabay to see if I could find a higher-quality alternative. I found some cheap ones on fleabay, but they turned out to have a 52-degree countersink angle, which is no good. Looked around some more, this time measuring the angle of the countersinks in the photos. Found some that had really close to a 60-degree angle, and ordered them. Shipped from China in six days. Checked tracking this morning and it said they had been handed over to customs. A little while later, the mailman delivered them.

13922 13923

I don't have access to a sweet optical comparator anymore, but by my measuring method, the heads are within a degree or so of the Beretta screws, which is close enough for plastic. (Maybe even closer than the plastic.) The head is properly headed, so the full cavity depth engages the tool. (Although I notice the cavity isn't perfectly centered in the head - these aren't Holo-Krome.) The surfaces of the countersink taper are smooth and uniform, without the tool marks causing weakness. The threads are rolled, so they are smoother and more uniform, with a forged metal structure and no stress risers.

The head does protrude slightly above the bottom of the slots in the rail, so if your device happens to have a cross bolt/bar/whatever that interferes, you might need to move it forward or backward one slot, or maybe grind the head flat and touch it up with something to prevent rust.

I measured the stickout from the bottom of the rail, and it was the same as the OE Beretta screw, so they should be a drop-in upgrade/replacement. I shaved the raised perimeter off the ends, removing about 7 or 8 thousandths without losing thread engagement, just to be double sure I didn't bottom it against the barrel extension. Finished before I thought of sticking a tool down the hole to check the actual clearance. Did that on the sight base holes, and there was way more than enough clearance there.

Speaking of the rear sight base, it is held on with the same crappy screws as the rail. Since the auction is for ten screws, it would be silly to not replace them. It's a good time to clean up all the mold parting flash on the part, which I hadn't really realized makes it look pretty cheap and nasty. Eliminating the roughness around the edges on the bottom surface gives it more uniform contact with the receiver. I don't know how much that helps, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt. With the flash cleaned up and the edges smoothed, the whole unit looks and feels much nicer. Yes, I did that to the furniture, too. Yes, I'm OCD about certain things.

Use blue Loctite on the screws. I rinsed them in solvent to remove any protective oil first, but figured the dry threadlocker on the factory screws probably cleaned enough oil out of those threads, so didn't do anything special to prep the receiver holes.

I still have a plastic rail, not metal. I'm waiting to see pricing and timing on Aridus' Aimpoint mount. But in the mean time, at least I'm a lot more confident my plastic rail will stay properly attached. And for less than $10, that's some good peace of mind.


A note on consistency: Buying hardware from Chinese suppliers on fleabay provides no more guarantee that you will receive exactly what I did than you can expect one box or bag to be the same as the next when buying hardware at Home Depot or Ace Hardware. But since this auction is advertising compatibility with specific systems, the odds are good that whatever you receive will work, even if it's not identical. Not all indexable cutters are the same. Lots of these screws have different angles; 43 degrees is popular, and as mentioned, I got 52 on my first try. There are a variety of head shapes, differing in more than just taper.

Just for reference, most DIN (Euro/German) spec flat head screws have a 90-degree countersink, and most SAE spec flat head screws have an 82-degree countersink. So it's a real PITA to find 60-degree screws.


Link to fleabay auction:
10Pc M4*8 Torx Screws for fixing RPMW1003/10T3 APMT1604 Insert Indexable Cutter (http://www.ebay.com/itm/262430466085)


SKU:M4008-D
Model: M4*8* D5.7
Size:

Screws Diam=4mm
Total length=8mm
Head Diam=5.7mm
Material:12.9 class ultra hard and durable alloy steel
Suitable for T15 Torx Wrench (Not included)
For fixing RPMW1003,RPMT10T3,APMT1604,APGT1604,APKT1604 Insert (Not included)
Origin:China
Price contain: 10Pcs M4*8 Torx Screws

Thank you for finding these - I removed my rail and installed the Beretta plastic hole plugs, and beefing up the rear sight mounting fasteners is a good thing. Ordered!

[RevM]

Now just waiting to hear from my FFL that FedEx has brought my 1301 Comp 21.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/0643110b27d0c69ebac1d5bd438e9699.jpg

Components on hand from KE Arms, Primary Arms, Nordic Components, Noveske, and Tau are all ready to complete the package.

[nycnoob]

When I unscrew the stock sling stud all I have is a threaded hole in the plastic. What QD are you referring to?

Unscrew the metal screw just a few turns, so that it is sticking out above the stock.
Now take a AR15 QD sling swivel and attempt to insert it into the screw.
I will bet you $10 that it will go in and hold.

[HeavyDuty]

Unscrew the metal screw just a few turns, so that it is sticking out above the stock.
Now take a AR15 QD sling swivel and attempt to insert it into the screw.
I will bet you $10 that it will go in and hold.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm looking at the sling attachment point on the buttstock of my 1301-T:

13987

What screw are you talking about? I'm not seeing anything obvious.

[nycnoob]

I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm looking at the sling attachment point on the buttstock of my 1301-T:

13987

What screw are you talking about? I'm not seeing anything obvious.

Sorry, I have the other model (comp). There is no sling attachment point on my stock, only a small plastic plug which covers a hole.
I took me a while to realize the hole was a QD socket.

[RevM]

Anyone got a close up photo of this on a Comp? I haven't seen this yet and was thinking that I was going to need to install a QD cup in the stock.

My Comp 21 arrived at my dealer yesterday and was all beat up (gouges in the receiver metal kind of beat up) so it's going back to Bud's to be swapped for a different one. <sigh>

[fishing]

Anyone got a close up photo of this on a Comp? I haven't seen this yet and was thinking that I was going to need to install a QD cup in the stock.

My Comp 21 arrived at my dealer yesterday and was all beat up (gouges in the receiver metal kind of beat up) so it's going back to Bud's to be swapped for a different one. <sigh>

http://forums.brianenos.com/index.php?/topic/212138-beretta-1301-comp-how-to-attach-sling/

relevant info in the linked thread

[RevM]

Ah, got it. That makes sense.

[HeavyDuty]

Sorry, I have the other model (comp). There is no sling attachment point on my stock, only a small plastic plug which covers a hole.
I took me a while to realize the hole was a QD socket.

I wonder if the Comp's cup is a drop-on for the Tac. The threading looks similar.

[rossini]

Is there a video out there that walks you through exactly how to remove the magazine plug that is installed from the factory? I've read a couple things on it but seeing pictures/video step by step would be a huge help.

[martin_j001]

Now just waiting to hear from my FFL that FedEx has brought my 1301 Comp 21.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170214/0643110b27d0c69ebac1d5bd438e9699.jpg

Components on hand from KE Arms, Primary Arms, Nordic Components, Noveske, and Tau are all ready to complete the package.

Details on the follower? That's one thing I've been wanting to change out on mine for sure.

[RevM]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170224/5d9c8372fb06137d844ae2b7b39e04c6.jpg

Still waiting for my 1301 to arrive (the first copy was damaged and had to be returned), so I don't know if there's any real difference in the parts. This one has a Teflon impregnated coating and the grooves on the sides reduce the bearing surface compared to one with a smooth surface. I think it ran about $18. At the very least, it should be easier to visually check to see if the magazine is empty since it's such a bright red.

[martin_j001]

[IMG]

At the very least, it should be easier to visually check to see if the magazine is empty since it's such a bright red.

Pretty much why I want one, and at <$20, it seems like a good addition. Is this from Nordic? The regular "12ga Low Drag Follower" or the one for Nova/Vinci models?

[RevM]

I got the regular one. Like I said, I haven't put it in yet so I'm assuming that I got the right one. If I'm wrong I'll put it in my Mossberg!

[martin_j001]

I got the regular one. Like I said, I haven't put it in yet so I'm assuming that I got the right one.

Let us know when your new shotgun arrives! I'll be interested to know for sure!

[RevM]

Will do. Waiting for FedEx to get to my FFL ... I hope they get there early enough for me to pick it up today!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Let us know when your new shotgun arrives! I'll be interested to know for sure!

I need to comm. w/ Nordic & see if that follower is compatible w/ the 1301T.

I recall some trouble last Sat @ a 3G w/ my visual check as the T model has a slightly smaller loading port/area.

[RevM]

The follower works just fine.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/86bba3a7b09c46f944a7fa26b72f3477.jpg

Other parts from KE Arms, Primary Arms, Nordic, and Tau have also been installed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/b22ae609a38638fd5ece1a92e8b4bafb.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/6c2ec2d819e24a2eb6dc6d82090dcfab.jpg

Also the QD cup in the bottom of the stock looks like it will work just fine as well.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170225/b898eb664e91c67b5e5c903b5538dbab.jpg

Hope to get out to a friend's ranch tomorrow and put a few rounds through it!

[vandal]

Can the Noveske Quick Detach Sling Swivel Mount for Nordic Components clamp be sandwiched between the clamp and the picatinny rail piece? I'd really like to run my light and sling on the same side (left).

[RevM]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/3c378987d4cb8129ac06837d06e6270f.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/b0541e753ebe6410b5dd7b09d26ea6a2.jpg

I would guess so. It would be kind of bulky looking and I'd be a bit concerned about interference between the sling and the light/mount.

[RevM]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/0a2100196a1f781a471c350fa4a2fe07.jpg

[LOKNLOD]

Need a whole-gun pic of that rig, Rev.

Which length Nordic tube is that?

[RevM]

It's the +3. Holds 8+1 in this configuration.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/afff04aad3d5d14f8a2cc6084633488a.jpg

[GJM]

When I asked Nordic aboit the follower, they told me after market was wasting my money, as the OEM is excellent quality.

[RevM]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170226/9354884826648c53f90e7e879c5519c2.jpg

Here's the OEM one. It's a little bit shorter than the Nordic. It's also noticably heavier as it appears to be steel rather than the aluminum that the Nordic part is. I'm sure that it works fine, but the red part is easier to see ... I would guess that's the main benefit.

[LOKNLOD]

It's the +3. Holds 8+1 in this configuration.


Looks great, thanks. I'm not quite ready to go optics on it, but I really need to make another attempt at finishing mine out.

[vandal]

Thanks for the pics. It might look bulky but I'm trying to use an AR light mount that would offset the light back inboard at a 45 degree angle. I want to be able to activate the tailcap with my thumb but keep the light pretty close in. I have the close-in light challenge solved now using a Danger Close Consulting light mount attached to the Nordic picatinny rail:

14252

Unfortunately that big hole is not a QD socket.

What would be ideal would be something like the Badger M7 mount, but direct-mount to the Nordic clamp instead of having to use the rail:

14253

I'm also not opposed to having a big loop to use a Paraclip sling attachment. That's what I was planning to try with the Noveske "sandwiched."



I would guess so. It would be kind of bulky looking and I'd be a bit concerned about interference between the sling and the light/mount.

[Unobtanium]

Can the big, goofy charging handle on the 1301T be replaced with something simple? I would much prefer something like a "classic" "trigger shaped" shotgun charging handle. With it take any 1301/X400 compatible CH?

[Unobtanium]

Other questions:

ETA on that co-witness T2 mount setup?
ETA on the "magpul stock adapter"?
ETA on any sensible and sleek ways to mount a WML?

I wrote the 1301 off as undesirable because I didn't like the stock, I didn't like the lack of ability to mount a co-witnessed optic, and I didn't like the lack of a good WML system for it. 2/3 of those thins appears to quickly be becoming a moot point.

[NoLock]

How long is the nordic clamp? Would it work with a +1 nordic tube ( just a hair over 1.5 inches)?

[RevM]

How long is the nordic clamp? Would it work with a +1 nordic tube ( just a hair over 1.5 inches)?
The clamp is just under 1.5".

[SpyderMan2k4]

Other questions:

ETA on that co-witness T2 mount setup?
ETA on the "magpul stock adapter"?
ETA on any sensible and sleek ways to mount a WML?

I wrote the 1301 off as undesirable because I didn't like the stock, I didn't like the lack of ability to mount a co-witnessed optic, and I didn't like the lack of a good WML system for it. 2/3 of those thins appears to quickly be becoming a moot point.
The optic mount is in beta testing. Obviously good to go on the H1/T1, but I'm waiting to get my hands on an H2 or T2 to see how it works. Then I'll know if it will work as is, if it needs tweaked, or if it can't be made to work to at least market it as such (because the H2/T2 extends to the rear more, there could be interference with the ghost ring). There may be options. Either way, once the beta testers finish up and I finalize the design based on the T2, I'll start taking pre-orders. I just ordered a bunch of aluminum today in anticipating for that.

I started live fire testing the adapter last week. There are things that need tweaked but it's on the right track. That being said, there's enough work that needs done that I'm not going to put a time table on it.

Light mounting continues to be one of the big problems with the 1301. I might start exploring that... we'll see though, there's a lot on my plate.

[rossini]

Is there a video out there that walks you through exactly how to remove the magazine plug that is installed from the factory? I've read a couple things on it but seeing pictures/video step by step would be a huge help.

I realize this is a noob issue but for the life of me I can't figure out how to remove this damn mag plug and there is literally nothing that I can find online that illustrates it, which is a bit bizarre. Can anyone help me out?

[RevM]

The process is the same on the Comp. I didn't find that article as I was searching for a how-to guide, but there are enough similarly configured shotguns that I was able to figure out how to remove the retainer cap.

Obviously if you are putting an extension on you don't reinstall the retainer cap or the magazine plug.

[vandal]

Sling-friendly light mount please!



Light mounting continues to be one of the big problems with the 1301. I might start exploring that... we'll see though, there's a lot on my plate.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I too would love a sling-friendly light mount!

[SpyderMan2k4]

That's actually something I've been considering for a while. Mounting a light and a sling on shotguns without them interfering with each other is a challenge. I've got a method I use that I've been really happy with that's a bit custom, so I've started thinking about exploring that for production. We'll see how things are looking in the coming months and go from there

[vandal]

All the solutions for light mounting I've seen so far wind up with the light sticking out pretty far from the gun, and/or requiring a pressure switch. I'd like to have the light high and tight, and just run a thumb clicky. If Surefire made a fore-end for the 1301 I'd just go that route as I find their 870 low profile and ergonomic. The industry seems to be moving away from that type of custom solution though.


That's actually something I've been considering for a while. Mounting a light and a sling on shotguns without them interfering with each other is a challenge. I've got a method I use that I've been really happy with that's a bit custom, so I've started thinking about exploring that for production. We'll see how things are looking in the coming months and go from there

[BigT]

Beretta have the 1301 Comp 2017 model at IWA. Serial number on the receiver has been moved to allow you more room to cut the port. And the port has been cut a whole lot more. I would still want to change a few things but it is a large improvement.

[SpyderMan2k4]

All the solutions for light mounting I've seen so far wind up with the light sticking out pretty far from the gun, and/or requiring a pressure switch. I'd like to have the light high and tight, and just run a thumb clicky. If Surefire made a fore-end for the 1301 I'd just go that route as I find their 870 low profile and ergonomic. The industry seems to be moving away from that type of custom solution though.
I agree. I've become a huge fan of handheld lights on long guns with a tail clicky. I'm fortunate to have long enough arms to be able to use the light on the 1301 with the Nordic setup (tube extension, clamp, and rail). It's a stretch and a bit further forward than my normal firing grip, but I actually prefer that a bit as there's pretty much zero chance of a light ND, and the light is well enough away from my hand to avoid hitting it under recoil.

When getting quotes on some things, I ended up in contact with a company that actually had designed an mlok forend for the 1301, but the project never moved forward because it would end up running about $500 because there's so much intricate machining. When I make more money I might contact him again and see what a one off would cost, just because.

[vandal]

I got the Noveske sling mount installed, sandwiched between the rail and the clamp. The loop is perfect for one of the Magpul slings with the paraclip, and since I'm using the blue force gear stock adapter at the back, my dual paraclip Magpul sling works well.

With the Danger Close light mount the light doesn't get pushed out too far, but I may look for another mount that angles back in more.

I also have long arms so I can reach a 2-cell light. However DocGKR's solution of using a 3-cell light is not objectionable!

14484
14485


I agree. I've become a huge fan of handheld lights on long guns with a tail clicky. I'm fortunate to have long enough arms to be able to use the light on the 1301 with the Nordic setup (tube extension, clamp, and rail). It's a stretch and a bit further forward than my normal firing grip, but I actually prefer that a bit as there's pretty much zero chance of a light ND, and the light is well enough away from my hand to avoid hitting it under recoil.

When getting quotes on some things, I ended up in contact with a company that actually had designed an mlok forend for the 1301, but the project never moved forward because it would end up running about $500 because there's so much intricate machining. When I make more money I might contact him again and see what a one off would cost, just because.

[vandal]

Another option, slightly different maybe better: This is the Unity Tactical VTAC micro hub mounted to the Nordic picatinny rail, with Noveske sling mount sandwiched. Brings the light in slightly closer, but definitely feels less bulky. More reach required to hit the tailcap though.

14486
14487

[9mm_shooter]

Due to a 3 decade old left shoulder injury that recently required surgery, I hate having a heavy light at the end of a shotgun, and opted initially for a surefire XC-1. It weighs 1.6 ounces. The only things I don't like about it is 1. the activation buttons- they are more like levers and 2. the brightness is at the lower end of what I like for outdoor use (200lum).

I'm going to try a slightly heavier flashlight (Klarus XTC-1 1.7 oz w/700 lum output), clamped on using a LaRue LT707. It uses a tail click button activation that is shock proof and programmable. The extra weight will come from a CR123 battery and the LaRue, but it all will be under 3.5-4oz.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[vandal]

I ordered a RM45 mount to see if that brings it in even closer. The new Streamlight Rail mount HL-X looks like an even better candidate as it ups the lumens, doesn't add more length in front of the mount, but extends the tail cap back to add the second CR123. 1000 lumens is a lot!

[GyroF-16]

Okay, gotta ask... what mag extension are you using that's the same length as the barrel? The Nordic +2 that I have goes maybe an inch beyond the barrel.

Gyro


I got the Noveske sling mount installed, sandwiched between the rail and the clamp. The loop is perfect for one of the Magpul slings with the paraclip, and since I'm using the blue force gear stock adapter at the back, my dual paraclip Magpul sling works well.

With the Danger Close light mount the light doesn't get pushed out too far, but I may look for another mount that angles back in more.

I also have long arms so I can reach a 2-cell light. However DocGKR's solution of using a 3-cell light is not objectionable!

14484
14485

[vandal]

The Nordic MXT extension (https://nordiccomp.com/categories/beretta-1301-tactical-mxt-extension-kit/) for the 1301T.


Okay, gotta ask... what mag extension are you using that's the same length as the barrel? The Nordic +2 that I have goes maybe an inch beyond the barrel.

Gyro

[GyroF-16]

The Nordic MXT extension (https://nordiccomp.com/categories/beretta-1301-tactical-mxt-extension-kit/) for the 1301T.

Okay, thanks. That's the high-dollar option ($150-ish) for the extension and the clamp, right?

[vandal]

No, no.. it's only $145 (plus shipping).


Okay, thanks. That's the high-dollar option ($150-ish) for the extension and the clamp, right?

[RevM]

Just an FYI. MidwayUSA has the Nordic MXT tubes on clearance right now. The +2 model is only $18.75 at the moment. I bought the +3 for my comp 21 ... it's not on the clearance list any more.

For some reason Midway doesn't list the Beretta barrel nut, and the Nordic clamp with pic rail is out of stock there. So I ordered the nut and clamp at Brownells.

That along with the Noveske sling mount put me at about $100 for the whole setup by piecing it together ... which you have to do anyway for the comp unless you want to stick with the +2 in the tactical kit.

[OlongJohnson]

Using Slickguns.com, I found that Lanbo's Armory has well below MAP pricing on a lot of the Nordic odds and ends, which you can see by adding them to your cart. Good seller, I've dealt with them before.

[GyroF-16]

Thanks for the heads up - just ordered one. Looking forward to having a +2 extender that doesn't "extend" beyond the barrel.


Just an FYI. MidwayUSA has the Nordic MXT tubes on clearance right now. The +2 model is only $18.75 at the moment. I bought the +3 for my comp 21 ... it's not on the clearance list any more.

For some reason Midway doesn't list the Beretta barrel nut, and the Nordic clamp with pic rail is out of stock there. So I ordered the nut and clamp at Brownells.

That along with the Noveske sling mount put me at about $100 for the whole setup by piecing it together ... which you have to do anyway for the comp unless you want to stick with the +2 in the tactical kit.

[DerekO]

Thanks for the heads up - just ordered one. Looking forward to having a +2 extender that doesn't "extend" beyond the barrel.

I'm pretty sure the standard +2 does extend past the barrel, but just barely. That's why they offer the Beretta 1301 Tactical MXT Extension Kit.

Check out a pic of the standard +2 on the tactical in this review: link (https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-review-carbine-shotgun/)

[GyroF-16]

I'm pretty sure the standard +2 does extend past the barrel, but just barely. That's why they offer the Beretta 1301 Tactical MXT Extension Kit.

Check out a pic of the standard +2 on the tactical in this review: link (https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/beretta-1301-tactical-shotgun-review-carbine-shotgun/)

You are correct sir!

Helpful note to those who didn't know it already: the Nordic MXT Modular Magazine Extension (currently on clearance at Midway) is NOT the same part as the magazine extension tube in the https://nordiccomp.com/categories/beretta-1301-tactical-mxt-extension-kit/
mentioned above.
The one from Midway extends maybe 3/4 of an inch beyond the barrel of a 1301 Tactical. Works fine, though, as noted by many already.

Just odd, as that both share the "MXT" name- you'd think they would be the same item.

[GJM]

I think it is a feature, not a defect, if the magazine tube extends slightly beyond the muzzle, as it protects the muzzle. Nordic actually put me onto that when I was getting a tube for a Benelli 14 inch.

[BigT]

I think it is a feature, not a defect, if the magazine tube extends slightly beyond the muzzle, as it protects the muzzle. Nordic actually put me onto that when I was getting a tube for a Benelli 14 inch.

First time I saw a shotgun with the mag tubes longer than the barrel is made no sense to me and I thought it looked dumb.

Now whenever I see a shotgun with the barrel longer than the mag tubes the gun looks wrong and unfinished:)

[vandal]

Another slight refinement of light/sling. Still liking the Noveske sling mount sandwiched under the picatinny rail. The Surefire RM45 mount with a Scout (or in this case a RM-1 while I wait for the HL-X) brings the light in tighter than anything else I've tried so far. Still a reach if you don't have long arms or don't like a pressure switch. This will do until Aridus Industries turns out something purpose-built and better! There's still a lot of unnecessary bulk here.

14599
14600

[GJM]

First time I saw a shotgun with the mag tubes longer than the barrel is made no sense to me and I thought it looked dumb.

Now whenever I see a shotgun with the barrel longer than the mag tubes the gun looks wrong and unfinished:)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg.html)

[BigT]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg.html)

SBS with a long mag tubes

Makes me inner Gaymer and Timmy meet in a state of balance and harmony .

[Nephrology]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg.html)

dont eat em!! or you'll become one of the patients on my board exams presenting with some obscure toxicity from eating plants you shouldn't...

[Sherman A. House DDS]

RE longer mag tube then barrel...

In my years (pre dentistry) in the armored truck industry, the mag tube longer than the barrel was useful for a knock around shotgun-shotgun (meaning the primary weapon of the eponymous holder) since it helped keep the crown of the muzzle somewhat protected, almost like a stand off device.

GJM...the SBS with the VR makes my 80's inner action hero happy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Sherman A. House DDS]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/P1010603_zpsuv6pil30.jpg.html)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/GJMandes/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/GJMandes/media/image_zpsil9h2vxf.jpeg.html)

Fricke drop leg for the USP?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[GJM]

dont eat em!! or you'll become one of the patients on my board exams presenting with some obscure toxicity from eating plants you shouldn't...

Those are wild Alaskan blueberries. When they become available, we pick and eat them every day. They are half the diet we try to follow, that we call the grizzly bear diet - lots of berries and fresh salmon.


RE longer mag tube then barrel...

In my years (pre dentistry) in the armored truck industry, the mag tube longer than the barrel was useful for a knock around shotgun-shotgun (meaning the primary weapon of the eponymous holder) since it helped keep the crown of the muzzle somewhat protected, almost like a stand off device.

GJM...the SBS with the VR makes my 80's inner action hero happy.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have worn quite a bit of the finish on the end of the mag tube, from bonking into things. Glad it was the tube and not the crown of the barrel.

That shotgun's purpose in life is to protect against a bear attack. Since a bear has to be able to touch you to hurt you, a fiber optic front sight on the rib works just fine for launching Brenneke slugs inside 25 yards.


Fricke drop leg for the USP?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It is a Fricke custom Gideon for the HK USP 45, mounted on a Safariland QLS fork, and worn on a Safariland drop holster.

[SpyderMan2k4]

Just wanted to post a quick update. I think I've got the Aimpoint micro mount design finalized. Beta testing is under way, and testing for the 870 mount should begin in the next couple weeks. I'm hoping I can get the testing on both done by the end of April. If all goes well, I'm hoping to begin taking pre-orders by the end if May. I'll be sure to post updates as it continues to progress.

[HeavyDuty]

And then the Magpul stock adapter...?

[SpyderMan2k4]

[pendantic] Mossberg stock adapter (which allows you to mount the Mossberg version of the Magpul SGA stock). [/pedantic] :)
It's funny, it'll probably end up being a Mossberg Magpul stock adapter. The interface will technically work with any Mossberg stock, but I am going to have to go with custom mounting hardware- the length of which will likely only work with the Magpul stock... not that I'm that upset about, considering its the best stock out there.

There are still tweaks being made. Once the optic mounts hit the market, the adapter will be getting more attention. It's on the right track.

[Colt191145lover]

What to say a big thank you to Tom Jones for doing a special purple bolt release shroud that my little girl really enjoys! It works great and looks good to boot.
P.S. I do have the black one in case I need to go full ninja.... ; ) 155101551115512

[Wyoming Shooter]

Gentlemen - I love my 1301 Comp. I've purchased the Nordic Components mag extension kit. I'm still looking at good options for the sling/light mount and an aluminum 1913 rail. Are there any new options on the market? From the Big Empty, ELN.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I'm still looking for "the best" way to mount a light on this shotgun. Has anyone tried screwing and/or gluing a piece of rail https://mesatactical.com/products/adapter-mount-standard-profile-picatinny-rail-2-in/ directly to the forend? That would put the light in easy reach and position it at somewhere between 9:00 and 11:00 o'clock. From the Big Empty, ELN.

[vandal]

FYI here's the streamlight Hl-x mounted which moves the tailcap back slightly. Bigger light than the RM-1 but the extra length extends mostly back.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170418/db72a8f46c06966d27502bc0938e8569.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170418/7c8817af6c3954d090275e11401b32ea.jpg

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[HeavyDuty]

It's funny, it'll probably end up being a Mossberg Magpul stock adapter. The interface will technically work with any Mossberg stock, but I am going to have to go with custom mounting hardware- the length of which will likely only work with the Magpul stock... not that I'm that upset about, considering its the best stock out there.

There are still tweaks being made. Once the optic mounts hit the market, the adapter will be getting more attention. It's on the right track.

Any progress with the stock adapter?

[vladtepes]

I recently purchased a 1301, and this thread was a significant reason why.. not a member here but just wanted to register to say thanks for all the good info...

there was only one issue.. light mount.. but I spent the better half of this morning solving that... I build one using the Nordic Comp clamp as a base.. gun is great.. cycles everything without a single hiccup..

[vladtepes]

I recently purchased a 1301, and this thread was a significant reason why.. not a member here but just wanted to register to say thanks for all the good info...

there was only one issue.. light mount.. but I spent the better half of this morning solving that... I build one using the Nordic Comp clamp as a base.. gun is great.. cycles everything without a single hiccup..

Here is the light mount I made.. just wanted to kick the button back a bit... and keep the light as close to the barrel as possible..

16959

16960

[Cory]

Why are 1301s so hard to find? I've been looking around for one to feel how it balances, length of pull, weight, etc. I cant find one anywhere to just handle. Bud's guns, Cabelas, Sportsmen's Warehouse, Rural King, LGS...

Is there a reason these are impossible to find in person? Anyone know any chains (or Lexington Ky area) that stock these?

-Cory

[vladtepes]

Why are 1301s so hard to find? I've been looking around for one to feel how it balances, length of pull, weight, etc. I cant find one anywhere to just handle. Bud's guns, Cabelas, Sportsmen's Warehouse, Rural King, LGS...

Is there a reason these are impossible to find in person? Anyone know any chains (or Lexington Ky area) that stock these?

-Cory

I bought mine having never handled one before..
I read a review at one point that stated is the "carbine version" of "tactical" shotguns.. I think this is a great analogy... its stupid lightweight.. it cycles anything I have put in it.. and its very fast..

I thought the stock buttstock was awful personally.. so went to the Mesa Tactical stock which I literally love..

[Cory]

I bought mine having never handled one before..
I read a review at one point that stated is the "carbine version" of "tactical" shotguns.. I think this is a great analogy... its stupid lightweight.. it cycles anything I have put in it.. and its very fast..

I thought the stock buttstock was awful personally.. so went to the Mesa Tactical stock which I literally love..

My personal finances have only allowed for one firearm purchase since early 2015 (mostly due to changing states, which is going to happen again). Because i cant afford more frequent purchases it's fairly important i know what i'm getting. Plus i want to evaluate this vs some other purchases.

-Cory

[OlongJohnson]

Why are 1301s so hard to find? I've been looking around for one to feel how it balances, length of pull, weight, etc. I cant find one anywhere to just handle. Bud's guns, Cabelas, Sportsmen's Warehouse, Rural King, LGS...

Is there a reason these are impossible to find in person? Anyone know any chains (or Lexington Ky area) that stock these?

-Cory

At least call these guys if you haven't yet. They do A LOT of cool stuff with Beretta/Tikka/etc. and their service is above and beyond. The GM is a total gun nut and great guy.

https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/32859

[SpyderMan2k4]

The optic mount is going to be ready for pre-order in the next day or two (it's T2 compatible).

There has been MAJOR progress on the stock adapter. It's been a back and forth battle between getting the interfaces to line up as needed and figuring out the appropriate mounting hardware. Both still need a little tweaking, but it's incredibly close. I just finished this up tonight and will be testing it tomorrow. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/700ed4fa2dad7bd4814e78a3ff1f66e4.jpg

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

The optic mount is going to be ready for pre-order in the next day or two (it's T2 compatible).

There has been MAJOR progress on the stock adapter. It's been a back and forth battle between getting the interfaces to line up as needed and figuring out the appropriate mounting hardware. Both still need a little tweaking, but it's incredibly close. I just finished this up tonight and will be testing it tomorrow. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/700ed4fa2dad7bd4814e78a3ff1f66e4.jpg

Good to hear on both counts Adam but my slightly selfish side says GREAT to hear re. the stock adapter, keep it up young man.

[HeavyDuty]

The optic mount is going to be ready for pre-order in the next day or two (it's T2 compatible).

There has been MAJOR progress on the stock adapter. It's been a back and forth battle between getting the interfaces to line up as needed and figuring out the appropriate mounting hardware. Both still need a little tweaking, but it's incredibly close. I just finished this up tonight and will be testing it tomorrow. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170528/700ed4fa2dad7bd4814e78a3ff1f66e4.jpg

Great news - thanks for the update!

[SpyderMan2k4]

Optic mounts are ready for pre-order! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/8582c3978af5629a3345daf3cd4c06fb.jpg

[Drang]

A Mossberg, a Mossberg, my k/i/n/g/d/o/m C-note for a Mossberg!

Note to self: This Pfestivus campaign for the addition of a strikeover typeface...

[Drang]

You mean like this?

Somehow never works for me. :(

[CoGT3]

Optic mounts are ready for pre-order! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/8582c3978af5629a3345daf3cd4c06fb.jpg

Put my money where my mouth has been, pre-order in!

Now about that stock adapter ......


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[SpyderMan2k4]

Put my money where my mouth has been, pre-order in!

Now about that stock adapter ......


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Much appreciated.

The bad news is the I had hoped I might be able to pull off my own mold for the stock adapter, but the final design is too difficult.

The good news is that it'll be much faster to develop and finalize a machined aluminum one. With the machine time it'll probably be a bit more expensive than I wanted it to be, but I'm going to package it with the stock... that way I can make a little on the stock so I can afford to make less on the adapter, and be able to offer everything cheaper that way.

After 125 rounds with the adapter yesterday I don't see much that can go wrong. Most of the time will be dialing in the g code. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm ready to start taking orders by August or September.

[DocGKR]

As noted much earlier in the thread, we had no problem adding lights to 1301's:

http://oi1292.photobucket.com/albums/b580/DocGKR2/1301_zpsc60b8682.jpg

[vladtepes]

As noted much earlier in the thread, we had no problem adding lights to 1301's:

http://oi1292.photobucket.com/albums/b580/DocGKR2/1301_zpsc60b8682.jpg

I looked at this image on multiple occasions... and I considered going that route.. but I just wanted to be able to mount a scout light as directly as possible..

[kizlar]

Hello. I am in the market for Beretta 1301 and while I was researching I found this thread.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1329675

Apparently, Beretta is aware of the magazine release flaw and trying to fix it.
So I called Beretta last week just to confirm and Beretta tech support did confirm that a newly engineered Beretta 1301 (gen 2??) will be released and available to public in a month or two.
So the new Beretta 1301 tactical will have the reengineered magazine release (which will not have this magazine dumping flaw). Beretta tech support also said, they have developed the "shroud" to remedy the magazine dumping issue for those who own the previous version of the 1301. Apparently, the newly engineered magazine release button is not compatible with the previous version of 1301. The shroud will be free of charge according to the rep.
Just wanted to share what I heard from a Beretta tech support and feel free to give them a call and confirm it (800) 237-3882.

[kizlar]

I have been following this thread since page 1...just never made an account. I made an account to share what I heard from Beretta rep.
I know how much effort you have put into developing this shroud.
Many 1301 owners are thanking you including myself.

[vladtepes]

Some pics..

http://acmfs.com/photos/firearms/1301/1301-1.JPG

http://acmfs.com/photos/firearms/1301/1301-2.JPG

http://acmfs.com/photos/firearms/1301/1301-3.JPG

http://acmfs.com/photos/firearms/1301/1301-4.JPG

http://acmfs.com/photos/firearms/1301/1301-5.JPG

[SpyderMan2k4]

They've been aware of the problem for at least a year and a half. From what I've heard I would be surprised if they are available that soon, but I guess we'll see.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[vladtepes]

while we are talking about the shroud.. I have not had issue with accidentally hitting my release.. but I am considering buying one of the shrouds just in case.. where do I order this from.. and is there anything I have to know about them.. any drawback.. any change in how I normally operate the gun?

thanks

[Sigfan26]

while we are talking about the shroud.. I have not had issue with accidentally hitting my release.. but I am considering buying one of the shrouds just in case.. where do I order this from.. and is there anything I have to know about them.. any drawback.. any change in how I normally operate the gun?

thanks

http://taudevgroup.com/1301/


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Doug]

I am looking forward to the Aimpoint S1 coming out.

This, if works as expected and robust, would cause me to buy the 1301 - 21 inch comp model.

http://us.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-micro-s-1/

https://gastatic.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/DSC00449.jpeg

http://us.aimpoint.com/fileadmin/user_upload/2015_Web_Content/Product_Action_Images/Micro_Series/Micro_S-1/200369_Aimpoint_Micro_S-1_845B4048.jpg

It would be interesting to compare which one sets the optic lower.

I just like not having the top of the receiver near the ejection port blocked with an optic.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[vandal]

Going to make more?


Here is the light mount I made.. just wanted to kick the button back a bit... and keep the light as close to the barrel as possible..

16959

16960

[vladtepes]

Going to make more?

unlikely.. it was easy enough to make that if someone wanted one they could bang it out for under 10 bucks with a dremel and some patience..

All I did was buy a piece of angle iron (I think it was 1/2in steel)
measure it out to where I wanted it
line it up with the mount and scratch a mark drill your holes
then just shaped out the metal.. rounding out the corners and all that..

sand.. prep for for finishing.. then coating..

it took longer than it should have... but it was a lazy afternoon with nothing else to do..


the same principle would work with other lights as well.. just need to pick the right rings and measure it out..

[vladtepes]

You can order one of mine here: http://taudevgroup.com/1301

It doesn't change anything about the gun and has no drawbacks, other than not being free and except you'll no longer be able to unload the mag tube by pushing the rear of the bolt release lever (on the full coverage model, on the low profile you can still do it if you have sufficiently skinny fingers -- it just requires a very deliberate act and is something that is essentially impossible to do on accident). I always unload by reaching into the loading port and pushing the shell stop out of the way anyhow.


thank you for the info.. with all due respect to Beretta I would rather spend a few bucks on one that has been out and is known to work VS waiting for them to maybe release a fix that may or may not work well... will probably add this to my gun to avoid ever experiencing the issue..

[JAD]

Now I have to get a gen 1 1301, so I have a place to stick a taudev shroud.

So far the SCD has cost me three pistols, the TDS might as well cost me a long gun.

[Guizan]

Hi Guys. I bought a 1301 tactical about 6 months ago. I shot a few three inches shells out of it today. Afterwards I looked inside the chamber and to me it looked like some of the metal had chipped in there. I'm not sure what it looked like before, and can't find any pics of the chamber on Google. It did shoot fine afterwards, so I assume it's normal. But I had to ask... It's bugging the snot out of me.

16998

[DerekO]

Much appreciated.

The bad news is the I had hoped I might be able to pull off my own mold for the stock adapter, but the final design is too difficult.

The good news is that it'll be much faster to develop and finalize a machined aluminum one. With the machine time it'll probably be a bit more expensive than I wanted it to be, but I'm going to package it with the stock... that way I can make a little on the stock so I can afford to make less on the adapter, and be able to offer everything cheaper that way.

I already own the stock... Is there any possibility of you offering just the adapter? Thanks

[dfeder530]

Hi Guys. I bought a 1301 tactical about 6 months ago. I shot a few three inches shells out of it today. Afterwards I looked inside the chamber and to me it looked like some of the metal had chipped in there. I'm not sure what it looked like before, and can't find any pics of the chamber on Google. It did shoot fine afterwards, so I assume it's normal. But I had to ask... It's bugging the snot out of me.

16998

Compared it to mine, and it looks the same.

[SpyderMan2k4]

I already own the stock... Is there any possibility of you offering just the adapter? Thanks

Yeah the adapter will be offered on its own as well, it'll just be a bit more expensive (and more accurately reflect the machine time on it). One factor, which I'm coming to terms with, is the acceptability of certain toolmarks, especially if they are "artistic." One of the best examples I've seen of this recently is on the ALG glock magwell. They don't have a crazy amount of machine time in them to have a perfect contour. Instead they use a ball endmill and much larger stepdowns. There are bumps, lines, and toolmarks, but it still looks fine and keeps the price from being absurd.

Finding the sweet spot of the correct size ball endmill with the correct stepdown to make it look and feel good while having reasonable machine time will be the tricky part. I have a price point in mind I'd like to try and stay at or under, so I know what I need to keep the machine time to be under, so if I can get something that looks and feels good AND falls within those parameters, all will be good!

[DerekO]

That's good to hear, thanks for the reply. I for one could care less about tool marks as long as it's functional and allows the mounting of the stock to the weapon. :)

[1slow]

Yeah the adapter will be offered on its own as well, it'll just be a bit more expensive (and more accurately reflect the machine time on it). One factor, which I'm coming to terms with, is the acceptability of certain toolmarks, especially if they are "artistic." One of the best examples I've seen of this recently is on the ALG glock magwell. They don't have a crazy amount of machine time in them to have a perfect contour. Instead they use a ball endmill and much larger stepdowns. There are bumps, lines, and toolmarks, but it still looks fine and keeps the price from being absurd.

Finding the sweet spot of the correct size ball endmill with the correct stepdown to make it look and feel good while having reasonable machine time will be the tricky part. I have a price point in mind I'd like to try and stay at or under, so I know what I need to keep the machine time to be under, so if I can get something that looks and feels good AND falls within those parameters, all will be good!

It is the "Enhanced Grip Finish" a feature not a flaw !

[NoLock]

unlikely.. it was easy enough to make that if someone wanted one they could bang it out for under 10 bucks with a dremel and some patience..

All I did was buy a piece of angle iron (I think it was 1/2in steel)
measure it out to where I wanted it
line it up with the mount and scratch a mark drill your holes
then just shaped out the metal.. rounding out the corners and all that..

sand.. prep for for finishing.. then coating..

it took longer than it should have... but it was a lazy afternoon with nothing else to do..


the same principle would work with other lights as well.. just need to pick the right rings and measure it out..

Thanks for the info. Do you see any reason why a setup like that wouldn't allow for the light to be back further? What did you finish it with?

[vladtepes]

Thanks for the info. Do you see any reason why a setup like that wouldn't allow for the light to be back further? What did you finish it with?

you could definitely go back a little further but here is what you will need to consider..

1) at some point you may need to shave the ledge that the light sits on, on the gun side of the light mount to clear the hand guard.. it may just be some trial and error..

2) you don't really want to go too far back because as you go back you will create a shadow on your strong side due to the barrel reducing the effectiveness of the light

3) if you shoot from behind a barrier you will need to get more of the gun out in front of the barrier to not block the light with said barrier


I just used Krylon camo ultra flat black.. with proper prep and priming I have found this paint to be pretty strong..

[9mm_shooter]

you could definitely go back a little further but here is what you will need to consider..

1) at some point you may need to shave the ledge that the light sits on, on the gun side of the light mount to clear the hand guard.. it may just be some trial and error..

2) you don't really want to go too far back because as you go back you will create a shadow on your strong side due to the barrel reducing the effectiveness of the light

3) if you shoot from behind a barrier you will need to get more of the gun out in front of the barrier to not block the light with said barrier


I just used Krylon camo ultra flat black.. with proper prep and priming I have found this paint to be pretty strong..
If I may, I'd like to ask a question about your light mount as well. Where did you find the rings for your flashlight?

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

[vladtepes]

If I may, I'd like to ask a question about your light mount as well. Where did you find the rings for your flashlight?

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

those are not rings that is a Surefire scout light.. the rings are machined into the body of the light..

with that said there are numerous solutions out there that could be adapted to fit..

possibly something like this..
http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/radial-universal-light-mount-n-slot-for-handheld-lights/

if I were going to use that I might use a thinner piece of angle iron and shape the metal so it tapers into the same width of the mount to make it look smooth..

[vandal]

Earl at IWC told me the mounting holes for the SMC light mount (http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/smc-m300a-m600c-scout-light-mount-n-slot/) are .900 on center, which I think would mean it could be bolted right to the Nordic clamp.

17175

But I ordered a LWRCI 2-Hole Rail Section w/ QD Sling Mount Kit to see if I can just use that instead of the Nordic rail to get sling and light on the same side.

17176

[Wyoming Shooter]

Vandal - please keep us posted. Thanks.

[vandal]

Ghetto mod to my wall-mounted lock, to accommodate the Aridus carrier latch. Also had to drill a big hole in my drywall for the bolt handle to poke into.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4259/35038272521_037a29327f_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VodiGV)

[dfeder530]

17240

My solution to mounting a light to the end of the 1301 that is actually useable while shouldered. Streamlight Rail Mount 2 with pressure switch mounted on a Nordic Components magazine clamp. The switch is held by double sided tape to the forend and then wrapped with Gorilla tape to prevent side to side movement. I can activate it with my index and middle finger while in a normal firing position. Not the prettiest, but it is solid enough for range use and home defense. Fired 50 rounds of buckshot today and it seems to work. The lens and head got dirty quick but easily wiped off.

[nalesq]

Ghetto mod to my wall-mounted lock, to accommodate the Aridus carrier latch. Also had to drill a big hole in my drywall for the bolt handle to poke into.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4259/35038272521_037a29327f_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/VodiGV)

If you didn't have an Aridus carrier latch to accommodate, could you have flipped the 1301 around so the charging handle faced away from the wall?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[vandal]

Yes that's how I had it before Aridus. Worked fine.


If you didn't have an Aridus carrier latch to accommodate, could you have flipped the 1301 around so the charging handle faced away from the wall?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[vandal]

LWRC two-hole QD rail segment. Not going to work. Bolts on, but doesn't sit flat (bottom surface anticipates some particular non-flat hand guard shape). And even if it did sit flat, it's too close to the Nordic clamp to allow anything to hook onto the rail portion.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4233/34376750594_0116dd8af5_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UnKQhs)

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4269/34376750614_f6e5b1d5b7_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UnKQhN)

[GJM]

I have been messing with a M4 (with the very nice Scalarworks mount), and a 1301 T, now that is has Tom's shroud, as Brenneke launchers. For two shotguns that would appear to be very similar, they have very different personalities.

The 1301 feels like it is filled with helium, where the M4 feels dense. I prefer the 1301 safety, as it is quicker to shot one, and supports my finger indexed straight along the receiver ready position. I give the M4 points for the Scalarworks mount. Both seem to shoot Brenneke slugs well. The 1301 is lighter. Recoil pretty close. The 1301 has a better feeling stock to me. I prefer the shorter LOP on the 1301 stock, and it makes the shotgun's overall length closer to the M4, despite the M4 being a 14 inch model. Shells insert into the 1301 tube with less force. The M4 seems like it would be more indestructible over the long term, but that is unproven.

17272

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I have been messing with a M4 (with the very nice Scalarworks mount), and a 1301 T, now that is has Tom's shroud, as Brenneke launchers. For two shotguns that would appear to be very similar, they have very different personalities.

The 1301 feels like it is filled with helium, where the M4 feels dense. I prefer the 1301 safety, as it is quicker to shot one, and supports my finger indexed straight along the receiver ready position. I give the M4 points for the Scalarworks mount. Both seem to shoot Brenneke slugs well. The 1301 is lighter. Recoil pretty close. The 1301 has a better feeling stock to me. I prefer the shorter LOP on the 1301 stock, and it makes the shotgun's overall length closer to the M4, despite the M4 being a 14 inch model. Shells insert into the 1301 tube with less force. The M4 seems like it would be more indestructible over the long term, but that is unproven.

17272

Thanks for the comparison & pic George, informative & well done.

My swerve is to advise Nordic Components is having a big ass sale, 20% off all SG accessories.

[GJM]

I just got the email and took advantage of that sale!

We are just about to pile in the helicopter to go ridge hiking, and I am taking the 1301 as it is enough lighter than the M4 to matter.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I just got the email and took advantage of that sale!

We are just about to pile in the helicopter to go ridge hiking, and I am taking the 1301 as it is enough lighter than the M4 to matter.

Hope you CONTINUE to update the Alaska adventures thread, period.

Back to swerving again as in a prior life I had an M1 Entry SBS + an M3. Thinned the herd after moving to Tx & becoming a neighbor of Paul's not to mention some cat named DB, thus my 2 VCS 870s & 1301T (w/ T1s) work well in this life.

[GJM]

Hiking up a hill today, with 1301T in hand, it struck me that the 1301T, equipped with Tom's shroud, may be the Glock 19 of shotguns.

[nalesq]

Hiking up a hill today, with 1301T in hand, it struck me that the 1301T, equipped with Tom's shroud, may be the Glock 19 of shotguns.

Except, unfortunately, that the 1301 is the opposite of popular and ubiquitous. Thanks to this thread, I ended up buying mine off of GunBroker without ever having even seen one in person because of the virtual impossibility of finding one in a brick and mortar store. And no one outside of the gun nerd cognoscenti has heard of it.

All of which to me shows how mystifyingly dysfunctional the gun industry/market is, because I have come to regard the 1301 (in conjunction with the necessary Tau, Nordic, and Aridus accessories) as one of the best general purpose civilian shoulder fired defensive weapons ever made.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Standard]

I've had mine for about 3 months and it's been excellent. Are there any replacement bolt handles available? I'm not a huge fan of polymer and would prefer an aluminum handle.

[DocSabo40]

Hiking up a hill today, with 1301T in hand, it struck me that the 1301T, equipped with Tom's shroud, may be the Glock 19 of shotguns.

If my 1301 develops ejection problems, I'm blaming you.

On topic: what are people's thoughts about the recoil of the 1301? I'm coming from a Remington 870P, and the 1301 feels noticeable heavier. I no longer have the 870 so this may just be Rosy Retrospection, but I did expect the gas system to soak up a bit of the recoil.

[LOKNLOD]

If my 1301 develops ejection problems, I'm blaming you.


Brass to Face is going to suck...

[Standard]

If my 1301 develops ejection problems, I'm blaming you.

On topic: what are people's thoughts about the recoil of the 1301? I'm coming from a Remington 870P, and the 1301 feels noticeable heavier. I no longer have the 870 so this may just be Rosy Retrospection, but I did expect the gas system to soak up a bit of the recoil.

IMO, the recoil of the 1301 is much lighter than any pump I've shot in the past, including a very heavy 590A1. I don't enjoy shooting pump guns at all, and I don't find the Beretta heavy recoiling (for a 12g shotgun) at all.

[LOKNLOD]

I just got the email and took advantage of that sale!
.

Is this still going on? Is there a code? I'm due for a 3rd try at getting the right tube...

[NoLock]

Hiking up a hill today, with 1301T in hand, it struck me that the 1301T, equipped with Tom's shroud, may be the Glock 19 of shotguns.

How does it compare recoil wise to your 18 inch 20 gauge benelli?

[GJM]

Is this still going on? Is there a code? I'm due for a 3rd try at getting the right tube...

SHOTGUN20

[GJM]

How does it compare recoil wise to your 18 inch 20 gauge benelli?

Benelli 20 with Brenneke slugs feels like a .308 AR, and the 1301 with Brenneke slugs is considerably more vigorous feeling!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

LOKNLOD > Is this still going on? Is there a code? I'm due for a 3rd try at getting the right tube...

As George stated SHOTGUN20 is the 20% code & per Nordic's MyFace wall it ends 20 June.

[LOKNLOD]

Order already placed. Let's hope I don't end up with a mossberg tube for the 3rd time... (not Nordics fault).

[GJM]

I just came back from zeroing a 14 inch M2, equipped with a T2, with slugs. It is darn lightweight, has a Comfertech youth stock with the thinnest pad for a short LOP, and I frankly was not looking forward to this. Surprisingly, it wasn't too bad, and I am hard pressed to differentiate between the M2, M4 and 1301 with slugs. Your mood any individual day is likely to be a bigger variable in how you tolerate recoil, which is stout with full power slugs with all these shotguns.

[OlongJohnson]

Hiking up a hill today, with 1301T in hand, it struck me that the 1301T, equipped with Tom's shroud, may be the Glock 19 of shotguns.

Does that make the 870 the 1911 or the GP100 of shotguns?

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I just came back from zeroing a 14 inch M2, equipped with a T2, with slugs. It is darn lightweight, has a Comfertech youth stock with the thinnest pad for a short LOP, and I frankly was not looking forward to this. Surprisingly, it wasn't too bad, and I am hard pressed to differentiate between the M2, M4 and 1301 with slugs. Your mood any individual day is likely to be a bigger variable in how you tolerate recoil, which is stout with full power slugs with all these shotguns.

What distance did you zero at George?

Asking as I recently discovered while shooting my 1301T w/ T1 @ 100yds. using some training slugs (S&B) that it needs a better zero.

[GJM]

What distance did you zero at George?

Asking as I recently discovered while shooting my 1301T w/ T1 @ 100yds. using some training slugs (S&B) that it needs a better zero.

I zero at 25 yards. Got that from Randy Cain/Bill Jeans/Louis Awerbuck. Gives me an initial zero at 25, a few inches high at 50, on again at 75 and a few inches low at 100 yards.

I run with Brenneke Classic Magnum 2.75 inch slugs in the field, but have found that the less expensive Winchester 2.75 Foster slugs hit so close to the Brenneke slugs, that they are useful for training and preliminary zeroing. Been joking I might put a moritorium on new shotguns as I am sick of shooting slugs from 25 sitting, to zero shotguns and/or new dots.

[coldcase1984]

Haven't you set up so 20 ga. M2s the same way, George? Have you ever done a separate thread on those Benellis?

[GJM]

Haven't you set up so 20 ga. M2s the same way, George? Have you ever done a separate thread on those Benellis?

Not sure what thread, but I am sure I have posted pictures before on PF. One M2 has open sights and the other, an optics base. By math, the Brenneke 20 gauge slug has better section density than the 12.

[Poconnor]

870-1911 or revolver. 1301- Glock - benelli - HK? I have long thought shotguns are like 1911s. You have to manage your ammo

[DerekO]

I zero at 25 yards. Got that from Randy Cain/Bill Jeans/Louis Awerbuck. Gives me an initial zero at 25, a few inches high at 50, on again at 75 and a few inches low at 100 yards.

I run with Brenneke Classic Magnum 2.75 inch slugs in the field, but have found that the less expensive Winchester 2.75 Foster slugs hit so close to the Brenneke slugs, that they are useful for training and preliminary zeroing. Been joking I might put a moritorium on new shotguns as I am sick of shooting slugs from 25 sitting, to zero shotguns and/or new dots.

I'm in Anchorage and use my 1301T as a self defense bear gun as well. I use the Brenneke Black Magic slugs. Do you have any experience with them? Any pros/cons compared with the Brenneke Classic Magnum 2.75s? Thanks

[GJM]

I'm in Anchorage and use my 1301T as a self defense bear gun as well. I use the Brenneke Black Magic slugs. Do you have any experience with them? Any pros/cons compared with the Brenneke Classic Magnum 2.75s? Thanks

Brenneke used to have a downloadable .pdf with detailed penetration testing of each of their slugs. They changed their website, and that appears to be gone.

I have used the Classic Magnum 2.75 Brenneke for twenty years. I learned about them from Louis Awerbuck/Randy Cain/Bill Jeans. Historically, that is what AK Fish and Game and the Troopers have used.

[DerekO]

Thanks. If the Classic Magnum 2.75s are good enough for AK fish and game then I'll switch and save a few bucks per box.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Thanks for the comparison & pic George, informative & well done.

My swerve is to advise Nordic Components is having a big ass sale, 20% off all SG accessories.

Yes quoting myself as the Nordic 20% off sale ends tonite @ 2400

[LOKNLOD]

I got my Nordic +3 for my 21" Comp in. Playing with spring lengths still - it's only giving me +2 at the moment but I don't want to hack it too far.

[GJM]

Is there a +2 option available for the 1301 Tactical other than this $145 kit from Nordic?

https://nordiccomp.com/categories/beretta-1301-tactical-mxt-extension-kit/

https://nordiccomp.com/categories/new-nc-mxt-shotgun-extension-complete-assembly-12ga/

[Buckshot]

Has anyone SBS'ed a 1301 yet? Any complications?

[OlongJohnson]

Is there a +2 option available for the 1301 Tactical other than this $145 kit from Nordic?

https://nordiccomp.com/categories/beretta-1301-tactical-mxt-extension-kit/

AFAIK, what makes that kit unique is the clamp. The fingers that go up around the barrel are shorter than their standard clamp, in order to clear the front sight base. Would be nice if they included a +3 option for the kit. It doesn't appear the 1301 clamp is sold a-la-carte, so your options are buy the kit and a +3 tube in addition, or piece it together with a standard clamp, trim it to clear, and live with an uneven finish.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Wish there was another option Tom or that the sale ending tonite was available in 2016 when I ponied up the $145.

[CWM11B]

Has anyone SBS'ed a 1301 yet? Any complications?

According to my rep at BDT, it cannot be done due to the length requirements of the gas system.

[LangdonTactical]

It's about freaking time.



If by "developed" they mean that I gave them the design (in addition to explaining a few different ways to re-engineer the existing latch assembly to properly fix the issue) and then sent them about a couple dozen samples (that they paid my very low agency price for) and basically begged them for months to produce it before going dark and no longer responding to my emails, then cool. :) (FYI, I'm totally not bitter or pissy, I know they are busy and my continued contact was just see if they needed anything else from me. It would appear that they didn't :)).

I have seen the fix, and it is not the same thing at all. It is a different bolt release lever that fixes the problem, not a shroud like yours or the others.

Sorry that they did that to you. You do have a right to be bitter regardless!

[LangdonTactical]

I am not bitter in the least. I'm curious how they fixed it with a different lever. If it's a new lever that simply limits rearward rotation, then it doesn't actually address the problem or prevent the issue. However, I explained to them why a rotation limitation "fix" won't work, so I suspect/hope it's something different. I look forward to seeing what they've done.

Well, that is good then.

I think they will be hitting the streets soon and it is supposed to be retrofittable, but will require you to replace the lever. So not nearly as simple of a fix for the end user as your solution.

[LOKNLOD]

The real question is will this result in any extra-good deals on the current version for vultures, er, thrifty shoppers, to scoop up?

[alohadoug]

For the guru's here...my 14 year old got to handle/shoot the 1301 at the range over the weekend and loved it (first and only 12 gauge he likes). He's been using one of the clubs Mossberg 930s in 20 gauge for trap. It was suggested by a member that you can use A400 barrels on the 1301.

Has anyone here tried that? He likes the 1301 better than the A400.

Thanks

[falnovice]

Wondering how well this runs left handed. Anyone have any experience with that?

[Matt O]

Wondering how well this runs left handed. Anyone have any experience with that?

The 1301 runs just fine left handed - the safety is user reversable.

The only issue I've had was when I installed Aridus Industries' quick detach carrier set up as it protrudes too far back and impedes my grip and trigger reach. So I'd just say be mindful of what (if any) ammo carrier you attach and probably to avoid the Aridus version as it isn't LH friendly.

[Crusader8207]

The 1301 runs just fine left handed - the safety is user reversable.

The only issue I've had was when I installed Aridus Industries' quick detach carrier set up as it protrudes too far back and impedes my grip and trigger reach. So I'd just say be mindful of what (if any) ammo carrier you attach and probably to avoid the Aridus version as it isn't LH friendly.

I echo this response 100%. While I love the Aridus QD overall, I don't find it works well for lefties. I have since gone back to the Velcro cards on the 1301. Otherwise, zero issues running the gun left handed.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I echo this response 100%. While I love the Aridus QD overall, I don't find it works well for lefties. I have since gone back to the Velcro cards on the 1301. Otherwise, zero issues running the gun left handed.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Preach it brother, reversed my safety & stayed w/ the cards like I had on my 1301T @ our HITs SG class last yr. When Alex starts sellling the MP stock adapter, I'll be all over it as I've got MP's on both of my VCS 870s.

Hope all is good w/ you, have to contend & play nice w/ one of your OK brothers twice a month as he runs our pistol matches up in Texarkana.

[Crusader8207]

Preach it brother, reversed my safety & stayed w/ the cards like I had on my 1301T @ our HITs SG class last yr. When Alex starts sellling the MP stock adapter, I'll be all over it as I've got MP's on both of my VCS 870s.

Hope all is good w/ you, have to contend & play nice w/ one of your OK brothers twice a month as he runs our pistol matches up in Texarkana.

I look forward to seeing the adapter as well.

All is good, I'm hoping the HiTS guys offer another shotgun class. I need to get back down there and see you guys! Those Okies will keep ya on your toes. ;)

[SeriousStudent]

Buckshot and BBQ is a great combination. I hope it does happen this fall.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Buckshot and BBQ is a great combination. I hope it does happen this fall.

Since I did miss the last 1st Responder, was planning on doing Caleb/HITs in Oct. w/ Alex but adding another SG class using my 1301 w/ an MP stock/adapter would also work, hmmmm ........

[Trukinjp13]

I am eagerly waiting on the new releases to drop! I really wanna pick one up. Debating on the tactical vs the comp. With the shorter barrel.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Dagga Boy]

Buckshot and BBQ is a great combination. I hope it does happen this fall.

Plan to have this up tomorrow. Should be end of August.

[Jackdog]

Plan to have this up tomorrow. Should be end of August.

End of August will be perfect for me. I rotate of weekends Labor Day weekend. Please make this happen!!

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Plan to have this up tomorrow. Should be end of August.

Well then perhaps we can get an update this time as this was from 2014 & one wasn't taken last yr.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/michaelgilster/imagejpg1_zps1180dcba.jpg

[SeriousStudent]

Well then perhaps we can get an update this time as this was from 2014 & one wasn't taken last yr.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a193/michaelgilster/imagejpg1_zps1180dcba.jpg

Indeed. I have three new shotguns to add to the two already in that photo.

Guess I'll need to bring another shooting mat. ;)

[SeriousStudent]

End of August will be perfect for me. I rotate of weekends Labor Day weekend. Please make this happen!!

End of August works perfect with me as well.

[Dagga Boy]

Indeed. I have three new shotguns to add to the two already in that photo.

Guess I'll need to bring another shooting mat. ;)

Along with my go to old 870 (top gun in photo), I will be running my Benelli M2 3 gun edition. My new fun thing is Trap shooting....may have to see how well my Benelli Sport II does when pressing a clay/bird gun into a defensive role.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

While watching you run that Ben. Sport II will be enjoyable, I'm more interested seeing in the flesh the factor behind your new desire to shoot trap.

[Dagga Boy]

While watching you run that Ben. Sport II will be enjoyable, I'm more interested seeing in the flesh the factor behind your new desire to shoot trap.

there is that.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

there is that.

and I endorse this message.

[SeriousStudent]

Along with my go to old 870 (top gun in photo), I will be running my Benelli M2 3 gun edition. My new fun thing is Trap shooting....may have to see how well my Benelli Sport II does when pressing a clay/bird gun into a defensive role.

That sounds like an interesting lunch conversation with the students. I bet there are a heck of a lot of folks thinking about that sort of plan: "Honey, go get your shotgun, I heard something downstairs."

[RevM]

Going to try the other way around this fall. I will try to kill some dove with my Beretta 1301 and Remington Tac-14 ... Cause, why not? ;)

Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

[SpyderMan2k4]

I am not bitter in the least. I'm curious how they fixed it with a different lever. If it's a new lever that simply limits rearward rotation, then it doesn't actually address the problem or prevent the issue. However, I explained to them why a rotation limitation "fix" won't work, so I suspect/hope it's something different. I look forward to seeing what they've done.
I saw what I imagine was an early prototype. I haven't heard any reports back on it, but it seems like it could be fine. There are a couple of questions I have about it (since I only saw pictures and haven't handled it). Time will tell.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

[md8232]

Whew, just finished all 10,000 pages! Heading to Little Else tomorrow to fondle one, then will probably place my order. Can someone tell me which LimbSaver product to order?
Thanks to everyone for this amazing thread.

[rossini]

Just got an insane deal on a new Trijicon RMR and would like to install on the 1301 tactical. Any recommendations for the best mount to buy for this gun that works with this?

[md8232]

Just got an insane deal on a new Trijicon RMR and would like to install on the 1301 tactical. Any recommendations for the best mount to buy for this gun that works with this?

Looks like it will attach to the rail on the gun.
Or, http://www.berettausa.com/en-us//beretta-picatinny-rail-for-1301-tx4/e5d864/?ItemNotifyId=177318

[HeavyDuty]

I haz an idea.

IWC's Thorntail light mount is designed to cantalever forward from a pic rail clamp, but it's completely modular - you can assemble it so it projects *backwards* from the rail section on a Nordic extension's clamp, it extends to the forend. That's as far as I could take it, though - the only IWC light rings I have are for a G2, and they're not tall enough to push the light out away to clear the reversed mount.

Anyone else want to look at this idea and offer an opinion?

[coldcase1984]

Anyone here have pull w Ernest Langdon?

Seems to me scaled down 1301 20-ga. Short LOP w a Micro on it would be a delight for field and HD use.

Be like an M1 Carbine hurling hardened .62-cal. Brennekes at bad things...

[STI]

Anyone here have pull w Ernest Langdon?

Seems to me scaled down 1301 20-ga. Short LOP w a Micro on it would be a delight for field and HD use.

Be like an M1 Carbine hurling hardened .62-cal. Brennekes at bad things...

So much yes.

[Dagga Boy]

So.....I have had some issues with the 1301. Bad info from the Beretta guys at SHOT Show, a very bad interaction with one of their LE guys who basically said I was full of crap on the shell drop problem, until I did it for him. Then I was basically given the cold shoulder. I like everything on paper, and was really mad about cancelling the TX4 because it was exactly what I wanted. So, thanks to a member here, I will be getting a TX4 to set up with a dedicated Aimpoint Micro. It will add to a growing collection of shotguns that is getting to be a bit like the revolver stuff. I intend to dedicate my personal future in the training world to the Art of the Gauge, so it is fun to start picking up many of the guns I have wanted. The TX-4 will fill a niche I should have filled years ago when I really sort of fell in love with it.

[HCM]

Looks like it will attach to the rail on the gun.
Or, http://www.berettausa.com/en-us//beretta-picatinny-rail-for-1301-tx4/e5d864/?ItemNotifyId=177318

The Trijicon RMR does not come with a mount. That appears to be the optional factory picatinny rail low mount. A direct mount which replaced the picatinny rail on the gun would allow the RMR to sit lower allowing for a proper cheek weld.

Something like this Scalarworks RMR mount for Benelli : https://scalarworks.com/shop/optic-mounts/sync-rmr

[t1tan]

Their key-slot mounting system on that mount is extremely clever. The Scalarworks people are smart.

They've quickly become my favorite mounts, now they've got magnifier flip mounts and scope mounts coming out this year I'll have them on everything. I might even have to sell my Bobro I have on my T2.

[rossini]

Their key-slot mounting system on that mount is extremely clever. The Scalarworks people are smart.

Has anyone physically mounted the Scalarworks SYNC/RMR mount on the 1301? I spoke to Scalarworks and they said the SYNC/RMR was never intended to mount on the 1301. He mentioned the rail that needs to be removed is to small for the SYNC/RMR to properly fit. He didn't say it's impossible, just that he's never heard of this particular mount ever fitting on the 1301.

Anyone out there have actual photos of their 1301 with this mounted on it? He suggested downloading this and seeing if it lines up properly on the 1301, for starters:

https://scalarworks.com/media/optic_mounts/sync-benelli/SYNC-RMR_drilling.pdf?x78323

[HCM]

rossini, we were talking about the Scalarworks mount in the context of the Benelli, not the 1301.

As HCM said (emphasis added):



He didn't say that the Scalarworks mount would work with the 1301, but rather to mount a RMR on a 1301 you'd need to either mount it to the rail, or use a mount like the Scalarworks Benelli RMR mount, not that you could use the Benelli mount. As far as I know, there is not currently a mount like that for the 1301.

This ^^^.

The Scalarworks SYNC mount is not available for the 1301 but the reason I brought it up was the SYNC was the inspiration for another company, Aridus Industries, to produce a similar mount for putting the Aimpoint Micro on the 1301 and the Remington 870. The Aridus direct mount for the Micro / 1301 is called the CROM and is just coming to market.

If the Aimpoint versions of the CROM are successful, an RMR version is certainly a possibility.

The CROM is available for pre-order here: http://www.aridusindustries.com/products/beretta-1301-tactical-aimpoint-micro-crom/