*THE* Gen 5 Glock thread: First Impressions, Reviews and Thoughts

[Ballistic_RT]

I Have a set of Dawson Chargers that I have used on gen 3/4 19 and 17s. They have always done well and I have them left over. I had planned on picking up one of the non-NS model 17.5s and putting the chargers on there. However after reading this thread I am not sure what my POI would be compared to what the standard factory sights would be. I didnt realize that the heights were different between the 4 and 5.......then again it could be an excuse to pick up the ameriglo model 17.5.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I bought two 19.5's last month. I bought them with the standard throwaway sights and installed the orange Ameriglo FBI Contract sights on them myself. I acquired the sights through here and Ebay. Chose these instead of the factory available Bolds because I prefer the U notch.

I still have not shot either gun yet because life is...well life. However I was greatly impressed by the sum of all the little changes with the Gen 5 series. I shoot mostly 147 grain ammo anyways, so I am assuming the POI should be right on for me with these sights.

Side note, I have very large hands 2XL gloves and such, and ordinarily required beavertail backstraps or a Grip Force Adapter in addition to undercutting and finger groove removal to get a proper high grip to where I like it without getting bit by the slide. So far this gun works for me comfortably without a backstrap. Live fire will confirm for sure.

[Larry Sellers]

Does anyone have a lead as to when the rest of the 9mm line of Gen 5s will be released? Hoping to add a 17, 34, and 26 to the stable.The 17 is already out. As others have said perhaps after the first of the year or SHOT show.

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[Ballistic_RT]

The 17 is already out. As others have said perhaps after the first of the year or SHOT show.

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Thanks

[Bryan W]

I Have a set of Dawson Chargers that I have used on gen 3/4 19 and 17s. They have always done well and I have them left over. I had planned on picking up one of the non-NS model 17.5s and putting the chargers on there. However after reading this thread I am not sure what my POI would be compared to what the standard factory sights would be. I didnt realize that the heights were different between the 4 and 5.......then again it could be an excuse to pick up the ameriglo model 17.5.


If you have the Dawson Charger rear that is normally a .225 tall rear sight, although he does make a .185 tall rear Charger. Normally, those sights are sold with a matching .205 tall front and I can tell you that won't work on the 17.5 or 19.5. The .225 tall rear probably needs a .225 tall front. My current 17.5 I'm running has a Warren tactical rear (.250 tall) and I had to match that with a .250 front. The Chargers are great sights, BTW. I helped Dawson design them.


BW

[orionz06]

If you have the Dawson Charger rear that is normally a .225 tall rear sight, although he does make a .185 tall rear Charger. Normally, those sights are sold with a matching .205 tall front and I can tell you that won't work on the 17.5 or 19.5. The .225 tall rear probably needs a .225 tall front. My current 17.5 I'm running has a Warren tactical rear (.250 tall) and I had to match that with a .250 front. The Chargers are great sights, BTW. I helped Dawson design them.


BW

What Dawson Charger set for a 19.5? Would the 17.5 set be acceptably close?

[Ballistic_RT]

Thanks guys. I had put the set on older gen 17s without issue, but didnt know anout the 5th gen. Ill just order one with the ameriglos as i had been wanting to try them out anyways.

[Bryan W]

What Dawson Charger set for a 19.5? Would the 17.5 set be acceptably close?

Dawson just recently added a Gen 5 competition sight with matching front. I just saw it on his webpage a few days ago, so I am pretty sure the Charger sets for the Gen 5 guns aren't far behind.

Here is the link to his Gen 5 set up:

https://dawsonprecision.com/new-dawson-precision-glock-gen5-g17-competition-fixed-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

For now though, you could get a Charger rear, which is .225 tall, and match it with a .225 tall front. That's probably where I'd start off, but I have not really played with the 19.5's yet. It took me a bit of experimenting with sights to get the 17.5 to hit where I wanted.

The 10-8 rear sights are the same - those are a .250 rear and requires a .250 front on the 17.5, for me at least.

Good luck...

[Bryan W]

What Dawson Charger set for a 19.5? Would the 17.5 set be acceptably close?

I also just emailed him to ask about roll out for Gen 5 Charger sets. I will post back when I hear something.

[STI]

Spare G17 Gen 5 parts and part numbers:
22165
33786 recoil dual spring assy
33854 trigger housing assy including trigger return spring and ejector
00063 same old firing pin spring as always
39567 slide lock spring

Midwest Gun Works charged me $30 plus shipping.

[Kyle Reese]

Spare G17 Gen 5 parts and part numbers:
22165
33786 recoil dual spring assy
33854 trigger housing assy including trigger return spring and ejector
00063 same old firing pin spring as always
39567 slide lock spring

Midwest Gun Works charged me $30 plus shipping.Thanks, Nucci! I'll be placing my order this morning!

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[Steve m]

Nucci,

Thanks i also just placed an order

[RJ]

My leather OWB ‘Upper Limit’ Express Holster for my Glock 19 arrived today from Mitch Rosen Gunleather.

I’ve had my P30SK in an UL for the better part of a year. I wear it AOWB, with a Dr Scholl’s Womens Gel Pad, as per Melody Lauer’s Holster Hack:

http://melodylauer.com/2015/03/the-aiwb-holster-hack/

Height of the G19 on the belt (a MR Express 1 1/2”) is very similar to the P30SK. It extends below the belt bottom an extra 1/4”. The top is about the same.

Wearing the G19 this way feels no different than the P30SK.

Draw is the same, allowing for the fact I need to break-in the leather (MR advises “Leather Lightning” which I have, and many presentations.)

The fit around the right hand slide stop lever is not an issue.

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I’ve had very good success with MR products. Customer service has been very responsive and they had my item (left handed no less) in stock and shipped out the day of the order.

[JHC]

My leather OWB ‘Upper Limit’ Express Holster for my Glock 19 arrived today from Mitch Rosen Gunleather.

I’ve had my P30SK in an UL for the better part of a year. I wear it AOWB, with a Dr Scholl’s Womens Gel Pad, as per Melody Lauer’s Holster Hack:

http://melodylauer.com/2015/03/the-aiwb-holster-hack/

Height of the G19 on the belt (a MR Express 1 1/2”) is very similar to the P30SK. It extends below the belt bottom an extra 1/4”. The top is about the same.

Wearing the G19 this way feels no different than the P30SK.

Draw is the same, allowing for the fact I need to break-in the leather (MR advises “Leather Lightning” which I have, and many presentations.)

The fit around the right hand slide stop lever is not an issue.

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I’ve had very good success with MR products. Customer service has been very responsive and they had my item (left handed no less) in stock and shipped out the day of the order.

Beautiful holster. I personally like that "not over boned" approach to leather.

[Kyle Reese]

8 December 2017

100 Winchester 124 grain NATO FMJ Q4318

200 Barnaul steel cased 115 grain FMJ

300 CCI Blazer Brass 115 grain FMJ

Two light strikes/failure to fire with the Barnaul and one failure to feed with the Q4318 and a Gen 5 magazine.

Total stoppages to date 3

Total rounds fired to date 4775



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[JHC]

Because I'm a trigger pussy I just swapped in a nicely polished minus connector. UGH! Ruined the smoothness. Dropped the weight slightly on my scale but became very stagey with a rough hard break. Like not the best old time standard connector set up you ever tried. Fascinating. Somebody really knew what they were doing with that dot connector set up.

Returned to STOCK. :D

Fiddling with the new design of the little bits in there, I'm impressed. Elegant. Seems more robust.

[Kyle Reese]

Because I'm a trigger pussy I just swapped in a nicely polished minus connector. UGH! Ruined the smoothness. Dropped the weight slightly on my scale but became very stagey with a rough hard break. Like not the best old time standard connector set up you ever tried. Fascinating. Somebody really knew what they were doing with that dot connector set up.

Returned to STOCK. :D

Fiddling with the new design of the little bits in there, I'm impressed. Elegant. Seems more robust.

The triggers in my Gen 5’s, for me, are just right. No need to fiddle about. Just add ammo. [emoji41]


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[Mr_White]

I tried a minus connector in my Gen5 just to try it. I may well end up putting it back. I shot one of the best 25 yard groups I ever have with it. But the stock at least does 'well'. So I'm continuing with that for now.

[M2CattleCo]

My EDC 19.5 is a little over 4K and the trigger is starting to get notchy/rough in the take-up and the break feels like it's getting heavier.

It's been generously lubed with Slip 2000 EWL since day one.

Between this and my 43, my Glock love affair may be coming to an end. A very abrupt, complete, and thorough end.

[psalms144.1]

Another 300 or so rounds through mine on Wed (this is going to be the slowest 2,000 round challenge EVER). Happy to say the erratic ejection has significantly diminished, only had one round that didn't eject cleaning and strongly to my 4 o'clock.

Still not sold on the sights. A LOT of light, and a lot of "fishing" for me at anything past moderate range. I've ordered a replacement pro glo standard front that I'll mate to my preferred Operator rear sights during my next range session.

Also switched to all 147 this go-round, and will say the POA/POI is much better with the Bolds than with 124 +Ps.

This has past the 500 round mark, including 300+ "duty" rounds, so it's gone into my holster as my daily carry.

I still LOVE the rolling break feel of the trigger, and if anyone's looking for a Glock and isn't already invested in an earlier generation, I can't think of a single reason why they shouldn't get a Gen5.

For anyone heavily invested in Gen4s or earlier, I'm not convinced the improvements are worth the cost of replacing perfectly acceptable pistols, but definitely worth a look if your earlier pistols are nearing a reasonable replacement age...

[leathermaneod]

My EDC 19.5 is a little over 4K and the trigger is starting to get notchy/rough in the take-up and the break feels like it's getting heavier.

It's been generously lubed with Slip 2000 EWL since day one.

Between this and my 43, my Glock love affair may be coming to an end. A very abrupt, complete, and thorough end.

Will you be sending the the 19 back to Glock to see what’s up? If you do, please let us know what they say. I am very anxious to hear some official word on a root cause of this, and for Glock to be made aware that there are issues. I don’t own a 19.5, but I have a G43 that is my favorite carry pistol ever.


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[HALO51]

The description sounds like you need to put a drop of lube on the connector/trigger bar area. Most important lube area on Glock platform. This should solve any issues. I just passed 7,300 on my 19.5 no issues.

[M2CattleCo]

The description sounds like you need to put a drop of lube on the connector/trigger bar area. Most important lube area on Glock platform. This should solve any issues. I just passed 7,300 on my 19.5 no issues.

The trigger bar has been lubed the whole time. I run guns pretty wet.

The problem is the plating flaking off the trigger bar, same as my 43.

[JHC]

The trigger bar has been lubed the whole time. I run guns pretty wet.

The problem is the plating flaking off the trigger bar, same as my 43.

I think Glock CS would be all over that.

[Mjolnir]

Spare G17 Gen 5 parts and part numbers:
22165
33786 recoil dual spring assy
33854 trigger housing assy including trigger return spring and ejector
00063 same old firing pin spring as always
39567 slide lock spring

Midwest Gun Works charged me $30 plus shipping.

Thank you.

I was reading an article in SWAT magazine about Glock pistols and Special Forces units around the world and it made mention of a 28N firing pin spring... The way it was mentioned it seems to be different (stronger) than the firing pin spring on OEM consumer market. Combined with the maritime firing pin cups I am assuming it would be a more reliable option for maritime units.

My question is "what would that do to the trigger feel?" It would probably increase trigger pull.

Now to locate one...


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[JBP55]

Thank you.

I was reading an article in SWAT magazine about Glock pistols and Special Forces units around the world and it made mention of a 28N firing pin spring... The way it was mentioned it seems to be different (stronger) than the firing pin spring on OEM consumer market. Combined with the maritime firing pin cups I am assuming it would be a more reliable option for maritime units.

My question is "what would that do to the trigger feel?" It would probably increase trigger pull.

Now to locate one...


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The 6# FPS will increase the trigger pull weight approximately 4 oz.

[Jared]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but it's a big thread.....

Has anyone tried the gen 4 grip force adapters on a gen 5? Do they work or will we have to wait for a Gen 5 specific model?

I got my very first case of slide bite from the gen 5 G19, and yes, I could use the provided backstraps, but I'm also curious about the GFA.

[Mjolnir]

The 6# FPS will increase the trigger pull weight approximately 4 oz.

Would you happen to know a Part Number?


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[gomerpyle]

When I tried I could not get the gen4 GFA to fit my gen5 g17.

Perhaps you can trim one of the beavertail backstraps included with the glock?


Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but it's a big thread.....

Has anyone tried the gen 4 grip force adapters on a gen 5? Do they work or will we have to wait for a Gen 5 specific model?

I got my very first case of slide bite from the gen 5 G19, and yes, I could use the provided backstraps, but I'm also curious about the GFA.

[Biggy]

Would you happen to know a Part Number?


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Wolff Gunsprings make a 6Lb striker spring . Probably better quality than the OEM spring, IMHO. https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/action-parts/firing-pin-parts/firing-pin-springs/extra-power-striker-spring-for-glock--prod55142.aspx

[Sam]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered, but it's a big thread.....

Has anyone tried the gen 4 grip force adapters on a gen 5? Do they work or will we have to wait for a Gen 5 specific model?

I got my very first case of slide bite from the gen 5 G19, and yes, I could use the provided backstraps, but I'm also curious about the GFA.

What about the OEM backstraps isn’t adequate? I found the OEM versions are more comfortable since they are smooth on the sides. If you just wanted a beavetail rather than an increase in grip you could cut the OEM version.

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[Jared]

What about the OEM backstraps isn’t adequate? I found the OEM versions are more comfortable since they are smooth on the sides. If you just wanted a beavetail rather than an increase in grip you could cut the OEM version.

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Not so much inadequate as I kinda wanted to avoid making the whole grip bigger. Basically, I wanted to know if the GFA would fit because that would increase options a bit. Try GFA, if I don't like it, pop on the OEM backstrap. I wound up installing one of the OEM ones yesterday anyway, so I'll shoot it some that way and see how I like it.

[HCM]

Not so much inadequate as I kinda wanted to avoid making the whole grip bigger. Basically, I wanted to know if the GFA would fit because that would increase options a bit. Try GFA, if I don't like it, pop on the OEM backstrap. I wound up installing one of the OEM ones yesterday anyway, so I'll shoot it some that way and see how I like it.

I had a GFA on my gen 4 17 for a while. It makes the upper part of the grip bigger and increases the trigger reach more than the OEM beaver tail.

[JBP55]

Would you happen to know a Part Number?


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A copy and paste:

Glock OEM Firing Pin Spring Specs:
SILVER - 24 newtons = 5.5 pounds force
RED - 28 newtons = 6.3 pounds force
BLUE - 31 newtons = 7.0 pounds force

Glock USA does not sell RED or BLUE FP springs.
Rock your Glock has the 28 newtons springs for $9.95

[Trukinjp13]

Just received my slide back from ATEI. Had the pro cut done and no refinish. Going to paint her tomorrow and install rmr 2 this weekend. Machining looks perfect and I love the bosses milled in.

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[Mjolnir]

A copy and paste:

Glock OEM Firing Pin Spring Specs:
SILVER - 24 newtons = 5.5 pounds force
RED - 28 newtons = 6.3 pounds force
BLUE - 31 newtons = 7.0 pounds force

Glock USA does not sell RED or BLUE FP springs.
Rock your Glock has the 28 newtons springs for $9.95

Thank you.

This is something I've never thought about before. I have seen ads for REDUCED power springs and never thought about the reverse.

Thanks again!


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[NH Shooter]

I still LOVE the rolling break feel of the trigger...

I'm hoping you or someone can confirm, but is the trigger feel you describe about the same as a "-" connector with a NY1 trigger spring in a Gen 3?

My Gen 3 G17 is still 100% stock and I am considering trying this combo of OEM trigger parts.

[spinmove_]

I'm hoping you or someone can confirm, but is the trigger feel you describe about the same as a "-" connector with a NY1 trigger spring in a Gen 3?

My Gen 3 G17 is still 100% stock and I am considering trying this combo of OEM trigger parts.

Of the couple Gen5 samples that I’ve handled and being someone who’s toyed with the NY1/minus combo, no not exactly. The NY1/minus combo still has more initial resistance as well as consistent weight through the entire trigger press. The actual break on a Gen5 feels less abrupt and staple gun like than a Gen4 and has a fairly clean feeling quality to it.


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[RJ]

The actual break on a Gen5 feels less abrupt and staple gun like than a Gen4 and has a fairly clean feeling quality to it.



I’m very new to guns, and Glocks particularly, but having shot a few previous Gen 5 s before the Gen 5, this ‘not like a Staplegun’ is exactly how I would describe the new trigger.

[GJM]

So, my wife and I were doing a regular USPSA oriented practice session earlier today, and I noticed that I was shooting a G4 34 MOS with a Vanek trigger, my wife shooting a stock G5/17, and I had a G4/17 carry gun with a minus connector and Wolf 5.0 striker spring. Seemed like a perfect opportunity to explore the differences in shootabiity between various trigger combinations.

No surprise, the Vanek trigger 34 was easiest to shoot fast and accurately, although it did have a few light hits with some PMC ammo. Both the G4/17 with minus/5.0 Wolf and stock G5/17 were absolutely reliable with everything we fed them. What was surprising, was how much easier the G4/17 with minus/Wolf was to shoot on more difficult targets, compared to the stock G5/17.

[Trukinjp13]

So, my wife and I were doing a regular USPSA oriented practice session earlier today, and I noticed that I was shooting a G4 34 MOS with a Vanek trigger, my wife shooting a stock G5/17, and I had a G4/17 carry gun with a minus connector and Wolf 5.0 striker spring. Seemed like a perfect opportunity to explore the differences in shootabiity between various trigger combinations.

No surprise, the Vanek trigger 34 was easiest to shoot fast and accurately, although it did have a few light hits with some PMC ammo. Both the G4/17 with minus/5.0 Wolf and stock G5/17 were absolutely reliable with everything we fed them. What was surprising, was how much easier the G4/17 with minus/Wolf was to shoot on more difficult targets, compared to the stock G5/17.

Do you know the pull weights of 17.4 vs 17.5? Do you think the break style of the gen 4 helped?


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[JBP55]

So, my wife and I were doing a regular USPSA oriented practice session earlier today, and I noticed that I was shooting a G4 34 MOS with a Vanek trigger, my wife shooting a stock G5/17, and I had a G4/17 carry gun with a minus connector and Wolf 5.0 striker spring. Seemed like a perfect opportunity to explore the differences in shootabiity between various trigger combinations.

No surprise, the Vanek trigger 34 was easiest to shoot fast and accurately, although it did have a few light hits with some PMC ammo. Both the G4/17 with minus/5.0 Wolf and stock G5/17 were absolutely reliable with everything we fed them. What was surprising, was how much easier the G4/17 with minus/Wolf was to shoot on more difficult targets, compared to the stock G5/17.

!. Gen 4 G34 with best trigger and longer sight radius shot best.
2. Gen 4 G17 with modified trigger shot 2nd best.
3. Gen 5 G17 with OEM trigger shot 3rd best.
4. I shoot a Gen 5 G17 with OEM trigger slightly better than a Gen 4 G17 with OEM trigger.

[GJM]

Do you know the pull weights of 17.4 vs 17.5? Do you think the break style of the gen 4 helped?


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I think in this instance, it is just trigger weight with the Vanek 34 lightest, G4 of mine in the middle and the G5 heaviest. Not sure the difference between my minus G4 17 and stock G5 would matter in a fight, but sure do in gaming style shooting.

[JHC]

What was surprising, was how much easier the G4/17 with minus/Wolf was to shoot on more difficult targets, compared to the stock G5/17.

Does not surprise me in the least!!! :D

[Trukinjp13]

Has anyone put time in on a apex gen 5? I really enjoy the gen 5 trigger personally. But I do not have near the time in on a gen 4 trigger vs tda guns.


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[GJM]

OK, so who has installed a minus connector, a reduced striker spring or other parts to improve their G5 trigger? JHC installed a minus connector and said it was horrendous. Gabe temporarily installed a minus and 5.0 striker, and wasn’t sure how much better it was. I am wondering if the G5 is a great “out of the box” trigger, but not so great a trigger to modify.

[MGW]

I added a 5.0 striker spring to my 17.5. I have a 34.4 with a minus and 5.0 striker spring and a 19.4 with a Taran connector and stock everything else. The 19 has the most roll, the 34 the most abrupt break. The 17 feels the best to me out of the 3. I like the heavier take up. It helps to hide the wall a little bit.

I really don’t know if the striker spring helped the 17 or not. Stock springs and a Taran connector felt terrible. I hope to pick up another 17 this weekend. I’ll compare stock to mine after that. But, I’ve never found two Glocks that have the same trigger feel ever with all stock parts. I don’t think a comparison will tell me much.

[L-2]

OK, so who has installed a minus connector, a reduced striker spring or other parts to improve their G5 trigger? JHC installed a minus connector and said it was horrendous. Gabe temporarily installed a minus and 5.0 striker, and wasn’t sure how much better it was. I am wondering if the G5 is a great “out of the box” trigger, but not so great a trigger to modify.

I haven't tried reduced striker springs, but have tried Glock-brand MINUS connectors.
My G19Gen5 right now is averaging ~5.25 pounds (5 pounds, 4 oz.) on my Lyman trigger gauge.

My G17Gen5 was averaging ~5.75 pounds (5 pounds, 12 oz.). I tried a couple of my Glock minus connectors in the G17Gen5.
One connector didn't seem to do anything. I tried another Glock minus connector and it dropped the pull down to the 5.25 pound average. This was just for my edification and I changed back to the stock DOT connector.

I did try a Glock minus connector in the G19Gen5 and it took the pull below 5 pounds, again, just as an experiment and changed back to the dot connector for now.

[JHC]

I haven't tried reduced striker springs, but have tried Glock-brand MINUS connectors.
My G19Gen5 right now is averaging ~5.25 pounds (5 pounds, 4 oz.) on my Lyman trigger gauge.

My G17Gen5 was averaging ~5.75 pounds (5 pounds, 12 oz.). I tried a couple of my Glock minus connectors in the G17Gen5.
One connector didn't seem to do anything. I tried another Glock minus connector and it dropped the pull down to the 5.25 pound average. This was just for my edification and I changed back to the stock DOT connector.

I did try a Glock minus connector in the G19Gen5 and it took the pull below 5 pounds, again, just as an experiment and changed back to the dot connector for now.

Very interesting. GJM passed on to me the advice form another technical person to try out multiple specimens of the minus. I only tried one, which happened to be a very polished one that did great in a great Gen 4. But there could be more to it than smooth and shiny. Thanks for one helluva datapoint.

[GJM]

I spoke to Charlie Vanek at Vanek triggers this morning. I have always found him to be very knowledgeable about Glock triggers.

He said, as we know, that the G5 is a comletely different beast than the G3/4 Glock pistols, with different parts and geometry. As a result, doing “Gen 3/4 fixes,” like dropping in a minus connector and Wolf 5.0 striker spring just doesn’t have the same effect as doing them to a Gen 3/4. He developed a G5 specific trigger, and said he ended up using different parts, including I think some Gen 3/4 parts, to get a good trigger pull on the Gen 5 pistols.

Right now, my instinct is to consider a G5 as a complete out of the box product, and for better trigger pulls on USPSA guns, to stay Gen 3/4.

[BN]

Where does everybody measure the trigger pull on a Glock?

I make 2 measurements. One at the very bottom tip of the trigger and another measuring as close to the pin in the middle of the trigger as I can get. I have 2 different results. I use and record both for all the triggers I work on. I have never worked on a Gen 5.

[JHC]

Right now, my instinct is to consider a G5 as a complete out of the box product, and for better trigger pulls on USPSA guns, to stay Gen 3/4.

I agree it's a great trigger out the box. Especially for agency issue stuff. With a bunch of Gen 3/4 available all set up identically with a minus connector its a bit of a contrast for me personally, due to my own inadequacies no doubt.

[JHC]

Where does everybody measure the trigger pull on a Glock?

I make 2 measurements. One at the very bottom tip of the trigger and another measuring as close to the pin in the middle of the trigger as I can get. I have 2 different results. I use and record both for all the triggers I work on. I have never worked on a Gen 5.

I measure one third up from the bottom tip. It's just where I figure my finger is more or less positioned in fire.

[L-2]

Where does everybody measure the trigger pull on a Glock?

I make 2 measurements. One at the very bottom tip of the trigger and another measuring as close to the pin in the middle of the trigger as I can get. I have 2 different results. I use and record both for all the triggers I work on. I have never worked on a Gen 5.

i take several (could be three or could be ten; just more than one) measurements from the bottom of the trigger. As my Lyman gauge has a roller, the roller can roll along the trigger-guard. I was unable to consistently position the trigger gauge using other ways.

[Biggy]

Has anyone put time in on a apex gen 5? I really enjoy the gen 5 trigger personally. But I do not have near the time in on a gen 4 trigger vs tda guns.


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I tried one for a while, and it was fine, but the differences * to me*were somewhat subtle, so I went back to stock. *For me,* the Apex kit dropped the break weight a little and after the wall there was a *little* less of the rolling break, the break also seemed a *little* less crisp. Takeup and reset also seemed a *little* less. There is a minus mark on the back of the supplied connector and the trigger bar *looks like* (I am not saying it is at this point) a modified OE Gen 4 bar, if that is possible. I prefer a little forgiveness in my carry pistol triggers so to speak, so a reasonable amount of takeup and reset are prefered. i also prefer the dot connector and a *good* polishing of the FC related parts, which usually reduces the breakweight by around 1/2 lb. In a real life situation with my adrenaline pumping, it is all I will ever need. I really liked everything about the trigger in my P-10c with its more walled, sharper and crisp break, but *once I got used to it*, I also really like the break on my Gen 5 G19's that have had their FC components correctly polished and not butchered.

[Trukinjp13]

Thanks Biggy.

I imagine soon enough we will have some gen 5 triggers that actually work as intended. Right now it almost seems like bastardized gen 4 stuff.


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[kitten_frenzy]

Where does everybody measure the trigger pull on a Glock?

I make 2 measurements. One at the very bottom tip of the trigger and another measuring as close to the pin in the middle of the trigger as I can get. I have 2 different results. I use and record both for all the triggers I work on. I have never worked on a Gen 5.

I do the bottom as it's most consistent.
I also wrapped a rubberband around the rolling thing on my Lyman. Helps it not slide up and down on the trigger so much.

[M2CattleCo]

Anyone know where to buy a Gen5 trigger bar?

[RJ]

Anyone know where to buy a Gen5 trigger bar?

I think these guys were mentioned up thread:

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/39702

Looks like sold out tho..or not available yet. I dunno, but it was a thought.

[Biggy]

Anyone know where to buy a Gen5 trigger bar?


Have a certified Glock armorer order you one. Around $10 plus shipping his cost. https://us.glock.com/documents/FRM-72-26.xls

[Sigfan26]

Thought some folks would like to know: United Sporting Companies (Large Firearms Distributor) has new SKU#'s listed for Glock. They include the Glock 26 Gen5, Glock 34 Gen 5 MOS, and the Glock 19X (which is only listed as having 10rd mags... Perhaps a single stack?)

[STI]

Need SKUs for MOS models, don't even care what size.

[Sigfan26]

Need SKUs for MOS models, don't even care what size.

Only one is the 34. G34 Gen 5 MOS High Capacity:
SKU: PA3430103MOS
UPC: 764503026782

[Sigfan26]

X is the roman numeral for 10...

Maybe Glock is going to kill the PD10 before it even ships. [emoji4]

That would be HILARIOUS! MSRP is $750, though (it is only listed with night sights), whereas MSRP on the PD10 is $499. A 10 round 19 would be perfect for those behind the iron curtain. And (if the 10 round mags work in the 43) would be a natural for 43 owners.

[STI]

I think these guys were mentioned up thread:

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/39702

Looks like sold out tho..or not available yet. I dunno, but it was a thought.


Have a certified Glock armorer order you one. Around $10 plus shipping his cost. https://us.glock.com/documents/FRM-72-26.xls


Midwest just notified me the trigger bars are back in stock.

[WobblyPossum]

A single stack, 10rd G19 might replace my G26 as my ban state gun. Be still my beating heart.

[Biggy]

Midwest just notified me the trigger bars are back in stock.

Thanks, got three and they will be going to Robar for NP3

[STI]

Thanks, got three and they will be going to Robar for NP3

Super hilarious, ditto - and just got off the phone with Tyler at Robar who's incredibly helpful and will probably be doing the actual work. He says $30 for a small batch of parts and that he'll be glad to disassemble the plastic trigger shoes from the trigger bars, getting those little bitch pins out.

[Sigfan26]

Worth it not to use 1911 mags. :)

$750 is pretty expensive for a Glock...

Dealer price is the same as the Gen5 17 and 19 with night sights. Probably the same street price.

[Biggy]

Super hilarious, ditto - and just got off the phone with Tyler at Robar who's incredibly helpful and will probably be doing the actual work. He says $30 for a small batch of parts and that he'll be glad to disassemble the plastic trigger shoes from the trigger bars, getting those little bitch pins out.

Thank again for the heads up. NP3 is not only very slick but it is also very hard and it is warranted not to flake off.

[M2CattleCo]

A single stack, 10rd G19 might replace my G26 as my ban state gun. Be still my beating heart.

A single stack 19 has been my dream gun since forever. I hope that's what it is. Id say it's likely since Glock told me that there was zero chance of a single stack bigger than the 43.

[Biggy]

FYI, MGW currently has complete Glock Gen 5 striker assemblies in stock : https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/39327

[walker2713]

FWIW....I recently bought two Gen5 19's.....

I love the new trigger, and one came with the excellent Ameriglo sights.

I put a set of the Ameriglo CAP sights on the other one.

The rest of the "improvements" for me are meh, but I'm back to the G19 as my EDC.

[leathermaneod]

Super hilarious, ditto - and just got off the phone with Tyler at Robar who's incredibly helpful and will probably be doing the actual work. He says $30 for a small batch of parts and that he'll be glad to disassemble the plastic trigger shoes from the trigger bars, getting those little bitch pins out.

Which parts specifically are you sending in? $30 is the most reasonable price I’ve seen/heard yet. At that price, I’ll definitely keep them in mind for future upgrades.


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[STI]

Which parts specifically are you sending in? $30 is the most reasonable price I’ve seen/heard yet. At that price, I’ll definitely keep them in mind for future upgrades.

I was shocked too. I'll send em a handful of stock trigger bar assys and stock dot connectors.

[Center Shot]

Thought some folks would like to know: United Sporting Companies (Large Firearms Distributor) has new SKU#'s listed for Glock. They include the Glock 26 Gen5, Glock 34 Gen 5 MOS, and the Glock 19X (which is only listed as having 10rd mags... Perhaps a single stack?)
What is the SKU for the 19X?

[Sigfan26]

What is the SKU for the 19X?

I’ll have to get it tomorrow (as long as USC hasn’t pulled the listing due to an overzealous employee listing a product too soon)


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[GJM]

What is the SKU for the 19X?

MHS19X

[Joe Mac]

MHS19X

Well.....that's a clue, innit? :)

[spinmove_]

I was shocked too. I'll send em a handful of stock trigger bar assys and stock dot connectors.

Full list of parts that you sent in, please. At that price I’m tempted to literally send in every single small internal Glock part I have and do it all for future Glocks I purchase.


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[LittleLebowski]

Right now, my instinct is to consider a G5 as a complete out of the box product

Concur.

[Sigfan26]

What is the SKU for the 19X?

SKU:PX1950703
UPC: 764503026911

[kitten_frenzy]

When googling the SKU, one result came up. No idea if the info is accurate but:

"Glock 19X Gen 5, Safe Action, Compact Size Pistol, 9MM, 4.01" Marksman Barrel, Coyote Polymer Frame, Coyote Slide, Coyote Magazines, Coyote Box, 2-19Rd, 1-17Rd, Orange Magazine Followers, Glock OEM Rail, Lanyard Loop, Ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever, Flared Mag Well, nDLC Finished Slide and Barrel, No Finger Grooves, Glock Night Sights PX1950703"

[HopetonBrown]

Must be dem 19 slides on 17 frames.

[Center Shot]

When googling the SKU, one result came up. No idea if the info is accurate but:

"Glock 19X Gen 5, Safe Action, Compact Size Pistol, 9MM, 4.01" Marksman Barrel, Coyote Polymer Frame, Coyote Slide, Coyote Magazines, Coyote Box, 2-19Rd, 1-17Rd, Orange Magazine Followers, Glock OEM Rail, Lanyard Loop, Ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever, Flared Mag Well, nDLC Finished Slide and Barrel, No Finger Grooves, Glock Night Sights PX1950703"

Sounds like the 19 MHS to me.

[WobblyPossum]

When googling the SKU, one result came up. No idea if the info is accurate but:

"Glock 19X Gen 5, Safe Action, Compact Size Pistol, 9MM, 4.01" Marksman Barrel, Coyote Polymer Frame, Coyote Slide, Coyote Magazines, Coyote Box, 2-19Rd, 1-17Rd, Orange Magazine Followers, Glock OEM Rail, Lanyard Loop, Ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever, Flared Mag Well, nDLC Finished Slide and Barrel, No Finger Grooves, Glock Night Sights PX1950703"

If that's the case, it sounds like the Glock MHS entry without the manual safety. That's disappointing. I'd actually be excited by a single stack, 10rd G19. Regardless, I hope they sell a bunch of them which reinforces the idea that they should keep innovating.

[Sigfan26]

Sounds like the 19 MHS to me.


When googling the SKU, one result came up. No idea if the info is accurate but:

"Glock 19X Gen 5, Safe Action, Compact Size Pistol, 9MM, 4.01" Marksman Barrel, Coyote Polymer Frame, Coyote Slide, Coyote Magazines, Coyote Box, 2-19Rd, 1-17Rd, Orange Magazine Followers, Glock OEM Rail, Lanyard Loop, Ambidextrous Slide Stop Lever, Flared Mag Well, nDLC Finished Slide and Barrel, No Finger Grooves, Glock Night Sights PX1950703"

This is the description on the distributor page:
GLK 19X COMM 9MM 10RDSEMI BLK GNS
Manufacturer: GLOCK
Manufacturer Item: PX1950703
UPC Code: 764503026911

[Tecolote]

Could the 19X be a Gen4 19 with 10rd mag and a Canada legal length barrel?

Regards, Tecolote

[echo5charlie]

This is the description on the distributor page:
GLK 19X COMM 9MM 10RDSEMI BLK GNS
Manufacturer: GLOCK
Manufacturer Item: PX1950703
UPC Code: 764503026911

PX1950703 indicates magazines greater than 10 rounds.

[echo5charlie]

This is the description on the distributor page:
GLK 19X COMM 9MM 10RDSEMI BLK GNS
Manufacturer: GLOCK
Manufacturer Item: PX1950703
UPC Code: 764503026911

Just found the distributor you speak of - they have historically had messed up page holders for new items...

[Totem Polar]

At this point, I’m well on my way to having my G19.5 Ameriglo vetted with a stack of mags: the 3 OEMs, and a bunch of magpul 15 and 17 rounders. So far, no failures of any sort, all mags, one-handed, etc.; I can see the sights, and it fits in my old G19 holsters.

Add in the impending G5 gadget—along with WA state’s mostly-inexorable slide into grandfathered ban-state status—and I’m at a place where I really don’t care what Glock puts out next.

I just ordered 10 more magpuls, and I will probably do that every 2 weeks until I either have a drum bucket filled teotwawki-style with those things, or I can’t legally receive any more. If along the way they release the G5 26, that’s great and I’ll relegate my old 26 to spare status, otherwise I’m done buying moar glock.

That G5 19 is GTG for me. I’ll deal with robaring up some spare parts once I look like the hobbit’s Smaug sleeping on a pile of assorted "standard cap" mags.

[Sigfan26]

Just found the distributor you speak of - they have historically had messed up page holders for new items...

Could be. I'm just reporting the information that is listed.

[psalms144.1]

Ran another 200 rounds through my Gen5 G19 yesterday, boringly reliable, even with dirt cheap Federal bulk pack from Walmart. Still not sold on the sights much past the 10 yard line - so much light I spend a lot of time trying to even the light bars. My buddy shot some of that 200, and he was a machine - 15 for 15 on IDPA sized steel at 50 yards. Obviously the sights didn't bother him...

[M2CattleCo]

My Gen5 19 has 5,200+ rounds through it as of today.

With Glock mags it has had zero stoppages, malfunctions, or brass to the face.
With Magpul mags it has has a couple of FTFeeds with steel case and 147 HST. I have about 2K through these mags and they are fine with round nose, brass cased ammo. I use them for matches as I'm confident they'll work with the match ammo I use (124 American Eagle or Lawman).

I have a KKM Gen5 threaded barrel and it is just as reliable as the OEM barrel, but I can't tell if it's any more accurate. The gun runs 100% with a Surefire Ryder 9Ti.

With the KKM or the OEM barrel it will not pass the 10-8 1911 extractor test, but with the KKM barrel and Surefire suppressor, it ejects 100% straight out at 3:00 with no mag.

The trigger on this one started going South at about 4K rounds due to the plating flaking off where the trigger bar rubs on the connector. It is absolutely horrendous right now. The trigger pull is sounds like an old screen door when I pull it and feels like it's full of sand. It's still usable as it fully resets. I'll have to shoot the last match of the year with it like that as I don't have a replacement part.

I have taken to putting a drop of lube on the trigger bar where it rubs on the right side slide stop. I noticed a slight improvement when the gun is heavily fouled (mine usually is).

Barrel shows a lot of finish wear, similar to a phosphated Sig barrel. No biggie.

[45dotACP]

Gonna be picking up a Gen5 19 shortly. Gotta get some Dawson's. From the one I've rented, the gun's trigger is better than the Gen 4 G17 MOS with a minus connector, and I can shoot that one just fine.

Guess I'll need 2,000 rounds of practice ammo too.

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[Trukinjp13]

500* engine paint on bare milled surface. Worked great, hard uniform finish.
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Installed, the fit of the rmr in the pocket is tighhtttt. Atei does not play around.
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Poser shots I know. We got a shit ton of snow and I was ill prepared. First thing I am noticing which I am hoping glasses will help. Is the blurred dot from astigmatism. I noticed the same thing with my blem pa optic. Polarized lenses may help. We shall see. Need to get to a range to test. My stuff is sadly buried.


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[JHC]

My Gen5 19 has 5,200+ rounds through it as of today.

With Glock mags it has had zero stoppages, malfunctions, or brass to the face.
With Magpul mags it has has a couple of FTFeeds with steel case and 147 HST. I have about 2K through these mags and they are fine with round nose, brass cased ammo. I use them for matches as I'm confident they'll work with the match ammo I use (124 American Eagle or Lawman).

I have a KKM Gen5 threaded barrel and it is just as reliable as the OEM barrel, but I can't tell if it's any more accurate. The gun runs 100% with a Surefire Ryder 9Ti.

With the KKM or the OEM barrel it will not pass the 10-8 1911 extractor test, but with the KKM barrel and Surefire suppressor, it ejects 100% straight out at 3:00 with no mag.

The trigger on this one started going South at about 4K rounds due to the plating flaking off where the trigger bar rubs on the connector. It is absolutely horrendous right now. The trigger pull is sounds like an old screen door when I pull it and feels like it's full of sand. It's still usable as it fully resets. I'll have to shoot the last match of the year with it like that as I don't have a replacement part.

I have taken to putting a drop of lube on the trigger bar where it rubs on the right side slide stop. I noticed a slight improvement when the gun is heavily fouled (mine usually is).

Barrel shows a lot of finish wear, similar to a phosphated Sig barrel. No biggie.

You mentioned something a couple of us have seen that I've never seen explained. More consistent ejection patterns from KKM barrels. Eeenteresting.

[M2CattleCo]

But only with the suppressor. Without, it stovepipes and drops brass down the magwell when I do the 10-8 test, can't tell any difference when shooting it with the KKM or the stock unsuppressed.

[kitten_frenzy]

Anyone know if 19M trigger bars will be available for us regular people?

[Trukinjp13]

Hypothetical situation. If the g19x is a civilian g19 mhs. Then we should then have access to coated internals. As long as they build it that way.....


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[HCM]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in function between the Gen 5 mags and earlier Gen mags ?

Recently I was shooting my G4 19 MOS for the first time with an RMR mounted. Prior to mounting the optic I had fired about 200 rounds of mixed ammo to check function. Function was fine prior, but after I mounted the optic ejection was noticeably less vigorous.

I was shooting Winchester 147 grain Ranger and Lawman 115 grain +P and using the Gen 4 mags which came with the MOS and Gen 5 mags. The +p functioned best but with both ammo types ejection was noticeably more robust with the Gen 5 mags.

Both sets of mags are relatively new. Other than the color of the follower and the baseplates is there any real difference between the Gen 5 mags and the Gen 4 ?

[GJM]

I have found a T1 to ruin the ejection of one previously perfectly running Glock. Not sure which is the culprit, the optic or the magazines. G5 mags still use the same number 6 follower, although a different color, so it is hard to imagine they are the issue.

[M2CattleCo]

No functional difference between the mags. The only difference is the lip on the front of the floor plate and the color of the follower.

[MGW]

It’s a small thing but I’m really liking the orange follower. I didn’t realize how useful it was until the weather forced me to shoot indoors a few times.

[Trukinjp13]

100 rounds of 147 lawman
100 rounds of 147 hst

She continues to chug along. Got the rmr sighted in today. At first zeroed at 25 yards. But quickly realized that was too far out when I brought it into 7-10 yards. Shooting low about 2-3” low. Which is no go for me especially with the red dot. So I readjusted zero for 10 yards.

Need some more reps with the dot but so far I really like it. The difference for me from 15-25 yards is big time. I need polarized glasses for the dot and my astigmatism. But man, it is nice at distance. I also shot very good up close. But, no pulls from the holster and no real speed shooting at the range. Which sucks. And I seriously got hit in the leg while firing my gun by the range cleaner guy. I turned around and was like wtf is wrong with you man.

I really like the gen 5 it just does everything I want a carry gun to do. And that rolling break really helped me on the long range stuff. Now that I have her zeroed I can start hitting some steel at home and test this rmr out in real conditions.
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This was my last magazine at 10 yards with 147 hst. For me I’ll take it. Esp. Considering after dealing with morons at the range.
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[spinmove_]

100 rounds of 147 lawman
100 rounds of 147 hst

She continues to chug along. Got the rmr sighted in today. At first zeroed at 25 yards. But quickly realized that was too far out when I brought it into 7-10 yards. Shooting low about 2-3” low. Which is no go for me especially with the red dot. So I readjusted zero for 10 yards.

Need some more reps with the dot but so far I really like it. The difference for me from 15-25 yards is big time. I need polarized glasses for the dot and my astigmatism. But man, it is nice at distance. I also shot very good up close. But, no pulls from the holster and no real speed shooting at the range. Which sucks. And I seriously got hit in the leg while firing my gun by the range cleaner guy. I turned around and was like wtf is wrong with you man.

I really like the gen 5 it just does everything I want a carry gun to do. And that rolling break really helped me on the long range stuff. Now that I have her zeroed I can start hitting some steel at home and test this rmr out in real conditions.
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This was my last magazine at 10 yards with 147 hst. For me I’ll take it. Esp. Considering after dealing with morons at the range.
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That looks like a Williams Gun Sight logo target. If I’m right, please PM me. Haven’t shot there yet and I’m curious.

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[Steve m]

put 200 rds of Defender 115grn FMJ thru mine, ran like a champ. Not issues yet, reset was better than my Gen 4's

[psalms144.1]

Has anyone else noticed a difference in function between the Gen 5 mags and earlier Gen mags ?The only "wonky" ejection I've had with my Gen5 were a couple of cases that went BTF or straight up - I think a total of 3-5 instances so far. All were with older generation G17 mags with +2 extensions. Using Gen5 mags I've had nothing but positive and consistent ejection.

[45dotACP]

Just put the first hundred or so rounds downrange with the new gen5 g19.

I'm not inclined to gush just yet, but I'm impressed. With a Glock. Which is funny, but the ergonomics are good, the gun tracks very predictably in recoil, the stock trigger is damned good, and what's more, the gun is very accurate. Much more so than the previous iterations in my humble opinion.

Right from the first few groups, it was hanging with my Gen 3 G34, and the more familiar I got with the trigger, the better it got. It didn't show any particular preference for ammo that I noticed so far, but we'll see.

New sights courtesy of a fellow PFer are inbound.

Working the trigger like a DA revolver and thinking "equal height equal light" got me some of the best shooting I've ever laid down with a handgun period. This was with the dovetail protectors. I counted the other rounds on the target so I either whiffed it right off the paper, or this is a 5 shot group. Either way, it's a good enough 4 shot group at 25 yards for me to be happy.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171218/0fb748259e5957f09e9e123e29d3951f.jpg

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[Francis]

Just put the first hundred or so rounds downrange with the new gen5 g19.

I'm not inclined to gush just yet, but I'm impressed. With a Glock. Which is funny, but the ergonomics are good, the gun tracks very predictably in recoil, the stock trigger is damned good, and what's more, the gun is very accurate. Much more so than the previous iterations in my humble opinion.

Right from the first few groups, it was hanging with my Gen 3 G34, and the more familiar I got with the trigger, the better it got. It didn't show any particular preference for ammo that I noticed so far, but we'll see.

New sights courtesy of a fellow PFer are inbound.

Working the trigger like a DA revolver and thinking "equal height equal light" got me some of the best shooting I've ever laid down with a handgun period. This was with the dovetail protectors. I counted the other rounds on the target so I either whiffed it right off the paper, or this is a 5 shot group. Either way, it's a good enough 4 shot group at 25 yards for me to be happy.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171218/0fb748259e5957f09e9e123e29d3951f.jpg

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That's gotta be a 2x.


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[Trukinjp13]

Just put the first hundred or so rounds downrange with the new gen5 g19.

I'm not inclined to gush just yet, but I'm impressed. With a Glock. Which is funny, but the ergonomics are good, the gun tracks very predictably in recoil, the stock trigger is damned good, and what's more, the gun is very accurate. Much more so than the previous iterations in my humble opinion.

Right from the first few groups, it was hanging with my Gen 3 G34, and the more familiar I got with the trigger, the better it got. It didn't show any particular preference for ammo that I noticed so far, but we'll see.

New sights courtesy of a fellow PFer are inbound.

Working the trigger like a DA revolver and thinking "equal height equal light" got me some of the best shooting I've ever laid down with a handgun period. This was with the dovetail protectors. I counted the other rounds on the target so I either whiffed it right off the paper, or this is a 5 shot group. Either way, it's a good enough 4 shot group at 25 yards for me to be happy.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171218/0fb748259e5957f09e9e123e29d3951f.jpg

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Awesome shooting! Excited to see what you do with some more rounds down range.


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[45dotACP]

Awesome shooting! Excited to see what you do with some more rounds down range.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI've never really been too excited for Glocks, but for whatever reason the Gen 5 just kicks my giggle switch. The above group I shot with mostly the 115gr 100rd box of Federal. It was probably more fluke than not, but when I ran my 147 gr SNS flat point handloads through it, it was far and above a more consistent shooting gun than my Gen 3 G34.

The more "pop" ish cycling if the 19 is appealing to me as well as I feel it handles recoil better for me that way.

The trigger really gets right what I love about my G34. It rolls without really "hitching" like my Gen 4. I can't wait til I can run it outdoors in rapid fire testing or as my match gun. A "glass rod" type break like my Berettas or 1911s has been less than optimal for rapid fire for me, which is a big reason my (more accurate than my G34) Berettas and 1911s were hung up in favor of my (better handling) Glocks.

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[fatdog]

For about the last 15 years I have run my Glocks with a 3.5# connector and a NY-1 green trigger return spring. That is the Glock trigger I have learned to run. I view it as a "street trigger", not a competition or "performance" set up. From what I have read from many sources so far, that heavy initial take up I am used to is simply not an option for the Gen 5 guns. I am not a fan of a lighter take up provided by the coil type trigger return springs. This leads me to believe that the Gen 5 is simply not for me at this point. Anybody who has been shooting the gen 5 think otherwise, if that old 3.5/NY1 combo is my strong preference?

I know that out of the box gen 5 may be a "good" Glock trigger but for someone like me who has opted against the light initial take up or light break of the traditional coil type trigger return springs with a 3.5 connector in gen 1-4 I am getting the impression I should just stick with Gen 4 and my preferred set up and keep paying the "plastic surgeons" to remove my finger grooves and stipple things to get the grip contour I want.

The opinions of those who know what I am talking about with my trigger preference and have lots of time with a gen 5 would be appreciated.

[L-2]

For Post#1414, there may be a couple of options. I'm unaware of anybody trying them yet.

1. The Gen5 trigger mechanism housing comes with an installed trigger spring. Perhaps a different spring can be found to replace the supplied OEM trigger spring. The Gen5 trigger spring compresses unlike the standard Gen1-Gen5 "S" shaped trigger springs.

2. The standard Gen5 connector is Glock's "DOT" connector. A Glock "+" connector could also give a similar pull weight to your existing NY1/MINUS connector, Glock now refers to as a 4.5 pound connector and no longer a 3.5 pound connector. Again, I've not heard of anyone yet trying a PLUS connector in a Gen5.

Feel free to be the first and get back to us:)

[MGW]

I'll add one more thing, and this might be feel and not real, but it seems like the Gen 5 triggers break farther forward than my Gen 4's. It's not much but there does seem to be a little less take up on the Gen 5's.

[M2CattleCo]

I'll add one more thing, and this might be feel and not real, but it seems like the Gen 5 triggers break farther forward than my Gen 4's. It's not much but there does seem to be a little less take up on the Gen 5's.

I think they break farther to the rear, or at least closer to the end of it's travel. The Gen3 34 I shot all summer had a lot of overtravel with the stock - connector and I shot it worse in every way than my 43.

[GJM]

The Gen3 34 I shot all summer had a lot of overtravel with the stock - connector and I shot it worse in every way than my 43.

There must be more to this story?

[M2CattleCo]

I could shoot it a little faster up close, but I just did not get along with it at all. I had a 17L a little bit at the same time and shot it even worse than the 34. The 19 is my sweet spot on Glocks.

[PensFan]

Gen5's have a shorter reset than previous generation Glocks IMO.

[STI]

One other thing that is changed in the relationship of the trigger travel and break, is the relationship with the front strap. I overlaid a Gen 3 26 and Gen 5 17 at the point of break and found that when comparing the "groove bottoms" with the flat front strap, that the flat one is at least .1" further back - towards the backstrap.

[45dotACP]

I'm with Tom.

The stock Gen 5 I have is lighter in weight than my Gen 4 with a LWD connector.

It weighs in at 6lbs vs 6.5lbs for the Gen 4. It's also much more of a rolling break and I prefer it.

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[RJ]

Had my first Gen 5 induced malfunction today.

Brain malfunction.

I was freaking out as one of my carry mags was not popping out smartly out of the mag well. Nor was it locking the slide back. Holy Crap!!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/bfab02878de8843aa9655c677c817fd8.jpg

Notice anything? Yeah. I had left a Tap Rack training aid in one of the Gen 4 mags. Sure looks the same to my nearsighted eyes lol.

Lesson learned: Always COMPLETELY put away ALL Dry Practice equipment when done.

[MVS]

Had my first Gen 5 induced malfunction today.

Brain malfunction.

I was freaking out as one of my carry mags was not popping out smartly out of the mag well. Nor was it locking the slide back. Holy Crap!!

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Notice anything? Yeah. I had left a Tap Rack training aid in one of the Gen 4 mags. Sure looks the same to my nearsighted eyes lol.

Lesson learned: Always COMPLETELY put away ALL Dry Practice equipment when done.

That is the first thing I thought of when I saw the new orange followers.

[Kyle Reese]

Shot another 250 rounds of Q4318 this morning, bringing my round count from my 17.5 training gun to 5025.

[kitten_frenzy]

Got my slide back before Christmas yay

https://i.imgur.com/OVHwvKH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qqiqLFD.jpg

[CLaw]

Just picked up a Gen 5 19. The trigger has some resistance in the take-up compared to my Gen 3s (its smooth, but noticeable) and the overall trigger pull is heavier. Is this normal? I've never shot a Gen 4, so I can only compare it to my older Gen. 3s.

[M2CattleCo]

I put a new trigger bar and connector in my 5200 round Gen5 today. WOW!! World of difference compared to the stock trigger bar with the flaked plating and polish job! It feels like I remember from dry-firing in the store when I bought it.

My Gen5 19 has a definite wall to the break, but the take-up is (now) super smooth and the wall is not as abrupt as a Gen3 or 4.

I'm going to run another few thousand through it and if the trigger feels gets bad again, I'm ditching the Glock 19 altogether. I have a pair of better pistols that can take over the 19's role.

[leathermaneod]

Keep us posted!


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[Gio]

I put a new trigger bar and connector in my 5200 round Gen5 today. WOW!! World of difference compared to the stock trigger bar with the flaked plating and polish job! It feels like I remember from dry-firing in the store when I bought it.

My Gen5 19 has a definite wall to the break, but the take-up is (now) super smooth and the wall is not as abrupt as a Gen3 or 4.

I'm going to run another few thousand through it and if the trigger feels gets bad again, I'm ditching the Glock 19 altogether. I have a pair of better pistols that can take over the 19's role.

Can you post some photos of the flaked plating?

[M2CattleCo]

It's around the radius that contacts the connector. I can't get it to show in pictures.

[WobblyPossum]

It's around the radius that contacts the connector. I can't get it to show in pictures.

Is it just on the trigger bar or both the trigger bar and connector?

[M2CattleCo]

Just the trigger bar. I couldn't see or feel anything wrong with the original trigger bar. It has wear marks just from all the use it got, but nothing not normal. I replaced the bar and connector just because I was given both. It helped. It went from one of, if not the worst handgun triggers to a very decent one with those two parts. It's like it was when it was new now.

[WobblyPossum]

I'll definitely keep an eye on my carry 19-5. I was going to use my dedicated training gun for the Vickers/Hackathorn class in a few months, but I think I might just use the carry gun to see if anything changes closer to 4k rounds. I haven't gotten a chance to shoot in a long while so my round count has stagnated at about 2200 and the trigger is the same as it was when I first got the gun.

[Trukinjp13]

I'll definitely keep an eye on my carry 19-5. I was going to use my dedicated training gun for the Vickers/Hackathorn class in a few months, but I think I might just use the carry gun to see if anything changes closer to 4k rounds. I haven't gotten a chance to shoot in a long while so my round count has stagnated at about 2200 and the trigger is the same as it was when I first got the gun.

There are other guys with 3,000 plus with no issues. Do you grease the contact point for the trigger bar/connector? Yes it is a little more work. But it does help with sticking there. Also do you clean your gun?


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[WobblyPossum]

There are other guys with 3,000 plus with no issues. Do you grease the contact point for the trigger bar/connector? Yes it is a little more work. But it does help with sticking there. Also do you clean your gun?


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I greased the contact point with lubriplate when I detail stripped the gun after the 2k round challenge was complete. My gun has been fine. I haven’t noticed any problems.


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[DocSabo40]

I was at a local shop in SC and checked out a gen5 19 that they had with the new FBI sights (BOLD, FBI, what are we calling these now?). The front sight was not square with the rear notch. I wanted to see another one, but they only had the one in stock with the FBI sights. Has anyone seen this yet, or is this sample of one an anomaly?

[Gray222]

I was at a local shop in SC and checked out a gen5 19 that they had with the new FBI sights (BOLD, FBI, what are we calling these now?). The front sight was not square with the rear notch. I wanted to see another one, but they only had the one in stock with the FBI sights. Has anyone seen this yet, or is this sample of one an anomaly?

Agent sights.


Got a photo?

[DocSabo40]

I don't. The most noticeable part was: when properly aligned, the top of the front sight did not form a continuous line with the top of the rear sight. In other words, when the left portion of the front sight was at the top of the rear sight notch, the right portion of the blade was slightly higher. Wouldn't make much of a difference, but that would bug me to no end. I've seen that on SIGs, first time I had seen it on a Glock.

[psalms144.1]

I don't. The most noticeable part was: when properly aligned, the top of the front sight did not form a continuous line with the top of the rear sight. In other words, when the left portion of the front sight was at the top of the rear sight notch, the right portion of the blade was slightly higher. Wouldn't make much of a difference, but that would bug me to no end. I've seen that on SIGs, first time I had seen it on a Glock.I recently noted that the tritium vials in the BOLD sights that came on my Gen5 G19 are significantly misaligned. So much so that if I align the front sight with the rears, the top of my front sight is about 1/4 of the way down into the rear sight notch.

I LOVE the look of the Bold sights, especially the serrated rears, but the next time I get to the range I'm switching them out for my tried and true Pro Glo front/Operator rear combination.

[RJ]

I recently noted that the tritium vials in the BOLD sights that came on my Gen5 G19 are significantly misaligned. So much so that if I align the front sight with the rears, the top of my front sight is about 1/4 of the way down into the rear sight notch.

I LOVE the look of the Bold sights, especially the serrated rears, but the next time I get to the range I'm switching them out for my tried and true Pro Glo front/Operator rear combination.

Psalms - Is this the front sight you are talking about?

AmeriGlo Front Pro Glo, Orange

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0097A9TII/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_tcfqAb32MVY7H

[psalms144.1]

Psalms - Is this the front sight you are talking about?

AmeriGlo Front Pro Glo, Orange

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0097A9TII/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_tcfqAb32MVY7HRich - I've been using this front:
https://www.amazon.com/AmeriGlo-Thin-Sight-Glock-LumiGreen/dp/B00ZXERNTO/ref=sr_1_2?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1514167808&sr=1-2&keywords=ameriglo+cap

mated to the standard rear "operator" for a long while and like it very much. I might consider a switch to a red front, seeing how the BOLD front "dot" really jumps out in a variety of lighting conditions - not sure yet...

[GJM]

Doesn’t the G5 take a taller front than the G3/4?

[JBP55]

Doesn’t the G5 take a taller front than the G3/4?

According to some of the sight suppliers but my Gen 5 G17 has the same height plastic front sight as the Gen 3/4 Glocks.

[JHC]

Doesn’t the G5 take a taller front than the G3/4?

IDK but it seems when I pick out any Glock with very solid slide to frame fit - ie no perceivable side to side play at the rear with the trigger reset; I can expect two characteristics. Very good precision (groups) and a POI well above POA. So I'll need a taller front sight. Fine.

On two such guns I've not had a taller front handy so I've substituted G43 sight sets and they brought the POI down acceptably.

Once an HD set and most recently a set of AmeriGlo CAP which I installed on a new Gen 4 G19 (with forward slide serrations) I flipped my Gen 5 G19 (which I was not crazy about) for.

The G43 AmeriGlo set brought the POI down about 5-6 inches into the 10 ring of a B8 at 25 yards. I'm sure it would have done the same with the G5.

FWIW, just about every G5 I've handled thus far has had this very tight slide to frame thing and in my G5 G19's case, it definitely needed a taller front sight than my other sights on hand from prior pistols.

So if you have any of those sights laying around, just sayin'

[vandal]

My G5 G19 had a .200 front sight and needed a .185 to bring the POI up right.

My Gen3 G19s typically needed a taller front to bring the POI down.



FWIW, just about every G5 I've handled thus far has had this very tight slide to frame thing and in my G5 G19's case, it definitely needed a taller front sight than my other sights on hand from prior pistols.

[JBP55]

My G5 G19 had a .200 front sight and needed a .185 to bring the POI up right.

My Gen3 G19s typically needed a taller front to bring the POI down.

My very early Gen 5 G17 and my very recent Gen 5 G19 both came with the same .165 front sight as previous models.

[Joe Mac]

Doesn’t the G5 take a taller front than the G3/4?

I've seen this on the Ameriglo site, and repeated on the internet, but I have not heard this from Glock themselves, including during a rather detailed presentation from our LE rep.

For the past 5 years I've been using the combo of pro glo front and pro operator rear (which Ameriglo now sells as a set called the 'Spartan' :rolleyes:). These have been great, and elevation is spot on at 25 yards with 124 +P. It would stand to reason, then, that 147 should print a little high, but I've never fired em for comparison.

Is it possible that the answer is simply a taller front sight to hit point of aim with the slower 147, because that's what FBI wanted..?

[GJM]

I thought the Ameriglo FBI and OEM Glock front sight is a .200, compared to .165, their standard for a small frame Glock?

[Joe Mac]

I thought the Ameriglo FBI and OEM Glock front sight is a .200, compared to .165, their standard for a small frame Glock?

Yes, that's what I mean: perhaps they spec'd that taller front sight to hit POA with 147...? I have little experience shooting 147, and have never fired it side by side for groups vs. 124 / 124+P, so I dunno if that much difference in height would be necessary to bring down the point of impact with 147.

[Joe Mac]

On a similar note, we have a fair number of gen 4 G21s on the department, and Glock initially shipped these with the same front sight as the 10mm -- which resulted in those 230-grainers hitting quite high at 25 yards... I think this has since been corrected.

[El Cid]

Yes, that's what I mean: perhaps they spec'd that taller front sight to hit POA with 147...? I have little experience shooting 147, and have never fired it side by side for groups vs. 124 / 124+P, so I dunno if that much difference in height would be necessary to bring down the point of impact with 147.

Yes, they use 147gr duty ammo and the POI is about 5 or 6 inches higher at 25 yards than 115gr. The Ameriglo sights would be set up for that unless Glock made the conscious decision to use different sights than the contract specified.

[JBP55]

Yes, they use 147gr duty ammo and the POI is about 5 or 6 inches higher at 25 yards than 115gr. The Ameriglo sights would be set up for that unless Glock made the conscious decision to use different sights than the contract specified.

Most LEA's use 124gr or 147gr ammunition and I do not see anywhere near 5" difference in POA/POI at 25 yards when shooting the P O S T course.

[El Cid]

Most LEA's use 124gr or 147gr ammunition and I do not see anywhere near 5" difference in POA/POI at 25 yards when shooting the P O S T course.

I can't speak to 124gr but I imagine it would split the difference. I've used 115 and 147 quite a bit and had to switch to the .245" tall HD fronts for the 147 ammo. Before changing the front sight I tested it on slow fire bullsesyes and it was 5 to 6 inches higher with 147. Since the feds use 147 for duty ammo the Bold sights are likely engineered for that. Someone shooting 115 or even 124 should expect it to have a lower POI.

ETA: my sight changes were on Gen 4 guns. I haven't been able to test Gen 5's.

[Joe Mac]

I can't speak to 124gr but I imagine it would split the difference. I've used 115 and 147 quite a bit and had to switch to the .245" tall HD fronts for the 147 ammo. Before changing the front sight I tested it on slow fire bullsesyes and it was 5 to 6 inches higher with 147. Since the feds use 147 for duty ammo the Bold sights are likely engineered for that. Someone shooting 115 or even 124 should expect it to have a lower POI.

ETA: my sight changes were on Gen 4 guns. I haven't been able to test Gen 5's.

Now I'm curious enough that next ammo order, I'm going to add a box of 147 GD or HST, and try it alongside the 124+P GD...

[GJM]

Now I'm curious enough that next ammo order, I'm going to add a box of 147 GD or HST, and try it alongside the 124+P GD...

My recollection is that HST 147 hits two inches higher at 25 than Gold Dot 124+P.

[Joe Mac]

My recollection is that HST 147 hits two inches higher at 25 than Gold Dot 124+P.

Thanks.

[Steve m]

m2cattleco,

What are you ditching the g-19's in favor of?

[STI]

Ran 40 rounds of once chambered 147 HST, 150 rounds of new HST, 50 rounds of 147 AE, and 35 rounds of Buffalo Bore 147 +P hardcast.

The first two and only malfunctions of my G5G17 since new, were today with Buffalo Bore. To gauge 22y POI I loaded 5 BB, 5 AE, 5 HST. The 2nd round of BB clicked and didn't fire, failed to return to battery about .1". I couldn't TRB any way I tried besides when I smacked the slide really hard on the muzzle. I couldn't pull the slide back - it was really stuck. The 5 BB rounds printed a group centered about 5.5" high at 22y compared to AE and HST.

After that I loaded two 15 round loads of BB (in 17rd G5G17 mags) and the first mag had another identical fail to return to battery malfunction about 7 rounds in. The last mag ran correctly. These were shot at 12y and both groups printed correctly. It shoots incredibly smoky with this load.

For some reason my gun or myself shoot HST about 1.5" left at 22y compared to AE.

Definitely buying and trying Lehigh or Underwood bear ammo next and not buying more Buffalo Bore.

[Gray222]

Ran 40 rounds of once chambered 147 HST, 150 rounds of new HST, 50 rounds of 147 AE, and 35 rounds of Buffalo Bore 147 +P hardcast.

The first two and only malfunctions of my G5G17 since new, were today with Buffalo Bore. To gauge 22y POI I loaded 5 BB, 5 AE, 5 HST. The 2nd round of BB clicked and didn't fire, failed to return to battery about .1". I couldn't TRB any way I tried besides when I smacked the slide really hard on the muzzle. I couldn't pull the slide back - it was really stuck. The 5 BB rounds printed a group centered about 5.5" high at 22y compared to AE and HST.

After that I loaded two 15 round loads of BB (in 17rd G5G17 mags) and the first mag had another identical fail to return to battery malfunction about 7 rounds in. The last mag ran correctly. These were shot at 12y and both groups printed correctly. It shoots incredibly smoky with this load.

For some reason my gun or myself shoot HST about 1.5" left at 22y compared to AE.

Definitely buying and trying Lehigh or Underwood bear ammo next and not buying more Buffalo Bore.

HST was not that consistent at 25y for me with my g5g19.

The Underwood 147gr is awesomely consistent.

[STI]

HST was not that consistent at 25y for me with my g5g19.

The Underwood 147gr is awesomely consistent.
Great, bought a case of HST.

What Underwood load?

[Gray222]

Great, bought a case of HST.

What Underwood load?

https://underwoodammo.com/product/handgun-ammo/9mm-luger-p-147-grain-full-metal-jacket/

Good stuff, seriously good.

[HCM]

Ran 40 rounds of once chambered 147 HST, 150 rounds of new HST, 50 rounds of 147 AE, and 35 rounds of Buffalo Bore 147 +P hardcast.

The first two and only malfunctions of my G5G17 since new, were today with Buffalo Bore. To gauge 22y POI I loaded 5 BB, 5 AE, 5 HST. The 2nd round of BB clicked and didn't fire, failed to return to battery about .1". I couldn't TRB any way I tried besides when I smacked the slide really hard on the muzzle. I couldn't pull the slide back - it was really stuck. The 5 BB rounds printed a group centered about 5.5" high at 22y compared to AE and HST.

After that I loaded two 15 round loads of BB (in 17rd G5G17 mags) and the first mag had another identical fail to return to battery malfunction about 7 rounds in. The last mag ran correctly. These were shot at 12y and both groups printed correctly. It shoots incredibly smoky with this load.

For some reason my gun or myself shoot HST about 1.5" left at 22y compared to AE.

Definitely buying and trying Lehigh or Underwood bear ammo next and not buying more Buffalo Bore.

Different loads shoot to different POI. This in not uncommon.

Pick one load as your primary and zero for it or buy adjustable sights.

Boutique ammo from small companies like Buffalo Bore, Underwood etc is rarely as consistent or reliable as ammo from major makers.

[Coal Train]

I installed the Gen 3 Apex Extractor, spring, and non-LCI bearing in my 19.5 and was able to put 100 rounds through the gun yesterday. It cleared up the weak, erratic ejection I was having.

[RJ]

I saw on another forum a picture of a Gen 5 Glock 17 with a fully beveled front slide area.

Anyone see one of these?

Probably just a running change to the frame, but aesthetically it seems like a good thing.

[DocSabo40]

I haven't been keeping up on Glocks since my gen4 adventures. Have they addressed the ejection in these, or are we still changing parts to get the brass out of the gun and somewhere to the right?

[Coal Train]

I haven't been keeping up on Glocks since my gen4 adventures. Have they addressed the ejection in these, or are we still changing parts to get the brass out of the gun and somewhere to the right?
My personal 19.5 had "worse" ejection than any of my other Glocks. As noted above, the APEX extractor addressed the issue in my sample.

[Mitch]

I haven't been keeping up on Glocks since my gen4 adventures. Have they addressed the ejection in these, or are we still changing parts to get the brass out of the gun and somewhere to the right?

I have a gen 5 17 and 19. Both eject great and pass the 10-8 test. I could not get a single Gen 4 to do this, apex parts or not, so I believe the issue is fixed.


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[RJ]

I haven't been keeping up on Glocks since my gen4 adventures. Have they addressed the ejection in these, or are we still changing parts to get the brass out of the gun and somewhere to the right?

Widespread ejection issues posts seem fairly scarce.

My sample of 1 passes the 1911 ejection test 5 of 5.

Normal mag in the gun ejection seems to have most rounds launch smartly up and out to 4 o’clock. I haven’t been beaned in the head that I can recall. That’s only with 400 rounds in a G19.5 though.

[LOKNLOD]

I saw on another forum a picture of a Gen 5 Glock 17 with a fully beveled front slide area.

Anyone see one of these?

Probably just a running change to the frame, but aesthetically it seems like a good thing.

I noted the promo pics of the 19X (not the old MHS pics) have the frame beveled, too.

[Billy]

The newer Gen 5 seem to be beveled now.

[Balisong]

The newer Gen 5 seem to be beveled now.

So are these gonna qualify as a Gen 5.1 now?

[beenalongtime]

Since this is the Gen 5 thread, can someone tell me when the Gen 5 model 20's are going to be out? A model 20 was the first gun I ever shot, when it was new (Gen 2's were just released), and I have aged and gained weight, so the finger grooves don't fit me. (couldn't stand the feel)
I am looking for a 10mm for a range toy (reliving the past), and since it was the first gun I fired, it is the only Glock that interests me. (otherwise I am thinking maybe an EAA Witness)

[BigT]

I wouldn't hold your breath.

[GJM]

Since this is the Gen 5 thread, can someone tell me when the Gen 5 model 20's are going to be out? A model 20 was the first gun I ever shot, when it was new (Gen 2's were just released), and I have aged and gained weight, so the finger grooves don't fit me. (couldn't stand the feel)
I am looking for a 10mm for a range toy (reliving the past), and since it was the first gun I fired, it is the only Glock that interests me. (otherwise I am thinking maybe an EAA Witness)

Probably not available until Glock can make them on a 3D printer.

[ChknLivrNWsky]

I haven't been keeping up on Glocks since my gen4 adventures. Have they addressed the ejection in these, or are we still changing parts to get the brass out of the gun and somewhere to the right?

I bought a new Gen 3 G19 a few weeks ago. I had a lot of BTF in 400 rounds, I didn't count exactly how many, but it was lot more than 10.

I just installed a 30274 ejector in it, and will see tomorrow if the issue is fixed.

[SilentSc0rch]

As far as ejection goes, I just passed the 1,000 round mark with my Gen5 19 yesterday and I have taken exactly 0 brass to the face. For comparison, my Gen3 19 with OEM parts will toss at least 1 of every 30 in a less-than-ideal direction. I've done the APEX upgrade to my Gen3 and it ejects much more consistently. However, reliability remains unchanged as the gun hasn't gone more than 800 to 900 rounds without a failure to eject since the upgrade. And I know the sample size isn't even close (Gen5: 1,000 rounds/Gen3: 15,000 rounds), but so far my Gen5 is more consistent and more reliable. Looking at the two side-by-side, I noticed that the extractor on the Gen5 is more "aggressive" in that it hangs in further than the Gen3, and I'm starting to think that has something to do with it. I'll try to provide pics when I get home today.

[martin_j001]

So...

For those of us who have previous gen Glocks, but may be looking at buying another model in the coming months, would those of you with the newer Gen 5's recommend those over previous generations?

[JBP55]

So...

For those of us who have previous gen Glocks, but may be looking at buying another model in the coming months, would those of you with the newer Gen 5's recommend those over previous generations?

Yes.

[Jared]

So...

For those of us who have previous gen Glocks, but may be looking at buying another model in the coming months, would those of you with the newer Gen 5's recommend those over previous generations?

Yes.

[WobblyPossum]

So...

For those of us who have previous gen Glocks, but may be looking at buying another model in the coming months, would those of you with the newer Gen 5's recommend those over previous generations?

The only negative to the Gen5 guns is that there is very little backwards compatibility of parts with previous generations. If you stock a lot of Gen4 spare parts they won’t work with the Gen5, for example. Same thing with Gadgets of prior gens. Otherwise, the Gen5 guns are better than the previous gen guns in every way that I care about.


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[L-2]

I'll add to the above Post#1492,
Parts for the Gen5 are hard/slow to get as the best source, right now, is directly from Glock.
Glock Armorers can get these parts.
Glock's parts ordering system is dated with no feedback as to the parts being in stock; when they'll ship; and on-line shipment tracking; as is the case with many on-line retailers lately.

When I order parts, I print out Glock's order form; fill it out with pen; fax it in; then I wait ~3 weeks for the parts to arrive.

[kitten_frenzy]

The only negative to the Gen5 guns is that there is very little backwards compatibility of parts with previous generations. If you stock a lot of Gen4 spare parts they won’t work with the Gen5, for example. Same thing with Gadgets of prior gens. Otherwise, the Gen5 guns are better than the previous gen guns in every way that I care about.


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Another potential con of the Gen 5 is that aftermarket connectors seem to feel like crap compared to my gen 3/4.

[JHC]

So...

For those of us who have previous gen Glocks, but may be looking at buying another model in the coming months, would those of you with the newer Gen 5's recommend those over previous generations?

Not me. Bought and shot a Gen 5 G19 for a few hundred rounds and flipped it to a Gen 4 G19.

Reasons: KKM barrels shared, parts, and trigger pull qualities of Gen 3 or 4 I prefer over Gen 5. I may even prefer the finger grooves.

I love the Gen 5 evolution, wish it well, I don't need it.

[call_me_ski]

Not sure if this was covered in this thread yet but the most recent Gen 5 Glock 19 pistols I have seen have a frame that is beveled to match the profile of the slide at the front end. I have not seen a Glock 17 Gen 5 with the same but I assume it is an inline change that is one the way.

[RJ]

Not sure if this was covered in this thread yet but the most recent Gen 5 Glock 19 pistols I have seen have a frame that is beveled to match the profile of the slide at the front end. I have not seen a Glock 17 Gen 5 with the same but I assume it is an inline change that is one the way.

Yes, up thread a bit. But yeah, it seems like a running change they made.

I don’t notice mine being unbeveled. I’m just thinking how much cash I can get from having a collectors item down the road a few years. :)

[SilentSc0rch]

I just got home and took some low-quality pics.

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As you can see, the Gen5 19 (top) has an extractor that appears to be closer to the firing pin (more centered) than the Gen3 19's extractor (bottom). If I had to guess, I'd say that is causing the better ejection on the newer gun.

[JBP55]

Silentscorch, Your pictures show the ejectors rather than the extractors.

[leathermaneod]

Actually they show both :-) and I’d say they both look a little closer to the firing pin...


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[ChknLivrNWsky]

I bought a new Gen 3 G19 a few weeks ago. I had a lot of BTF in 400 rounds, I didn't count exactly how many, but it was lot more than 10.

I just installed a 30274 ejector in it, and will see tomorrow if the issue is fixed.

Tried it out today.

I had 4 BTF out of 210 rounds. Seemed a little better than with the previous 336 ejector, but I guess I'll be trying the APEX extractor next.

[SilentSc0rch]

Actually they show both :-) and I’d say they both look a little closer to the firing pin...


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Yeah, they aren't the best photos, but the Gen5 ejector definitely hangs further in than the Gen3 one.

[call_me_ski]

Some sources are starting to report that the Gen 5 guns have a slide made from a different Steel alloy. Anyone have the scoop on this.

[Willard]

Some sources are starting to report that the Gen 5 guns have a slide made from a different Steel alloy. Anyone have the scoop on this.

I saw this posted WRT the 34. This new alloy composition supposedly helps permit the slides to be constructed sans open slide. Have read nothing about this being an across the board change for all models of Gen 5 though.

[STI]

That's weird.

All steel, stainless steel, high nickel alloy hybrid steels, everything that I know of that's not obviously some other base metal, share densities within a span of about plus or minus 4%. Sounds like advertising bullpuckey to me.

[Willard]

That's weird.

All steel, stainless steel, high nickel alloy hybrid steels, everything that I know of that's not obviously some other base metal, share densities within a span of about plus or minus 4%. Sounds like advertising bullpuckey to me.

Or possibly a base metal? I dunno.

[martin_j001]

Tried it out today.

I had 4 BTF out of 210 rounds. Seemed a little better than with the previous 336 ejector, but I guess I'll be trying the APEX extractor next.

I've got the White Sound Defense HRED and Apex extractors in both my Gen 4 guns, and have yet to have any issues (not that I knew either gun to be particularly problematic before these parts were installed...HRED went in before they were even shot the first time, IIRC). Having these parts, and their gen3/4 compatibility is one reason I'm a little hesitant to consider moving on to a Gen5, personally.

[HCM]

I've got the White Sound Defense HRED and Apex extractors in both my Gen 4 guns, and have yet to have any issues (not that I knew either gun to be particularly problematic before these parts were installed...HRED went in before they were even shot the first time, IIRC). Having these parts, and their gen3/4 compatibility is one reason I'm a little hesitant to consider moving on to a Gen5, personally.

From what I’ve seen of the M and Gen 5 Guns they don’t need them.

[Steve m]

what sights is everyone running on the Gen 5's?

[Mitch]

what sights is everyone running on the Gen 5's?

Defoors. Standard on my 19 and the tritium version on my 17. Tried Trijicon HDs on my 17 but didn’t like them.


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[Depmur]

what sights is everyone running on the Gen 5's?

I’m using the factory bold sights made by Ameriglo.


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[Tam212]

what sights is everyone running on the Gen 5's?

Really late to this party (lurker since 2012)...

I use Ameriglo Spartan Operators. For uniformity's sake, I have them on the the carry 43 & 19.5 and the house 17.5.

Apologies if this is a repost -> http://looserounds.com/2017/09/04/gen5-glock-stripped-internals/

[Steve m]

running Dawson Chargers Fiber optics that i took off a Gen 4.

[martin_j001]

From what I’ve seen of the M and Gen 5 Guns they don’t need them.

I haven't either, which is good to see.

[Texaspoff]

My 5's all came with Bolds, but have swapped the rears for the FBI U cuts, and the orange fronts get swapped to Yellow/Green versions.


TXPO

[newyork]

My 5's all came with Bolds, but have swapped the rears for the FBI U cuts, and the orange fronts get swapped to Yellow/Green versions.

Why not save the money on the initial cost then, and buy the one with standard sights and then put on the ones you like?

[45dotACP]

what sights is everyone running on the Gen 5's?Dawsons. I used to be a huge fan of Warren tactical, but Dawson's perfect impact policy has made me a believe. Plus their sights just rock.

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[CS Tactical]

That's weird.

All steel, stainless steel, high nickel alloy hybrid steels, everything that I know of that's not obviously some other base metal, share densities within a span of about plus or minus 4%. Sounds like advertising bullpuckey to me.


But I thought Glock used Carbon Steel on their slides which tends to work better for the QPQ type process?

[Sigfan26]

But I thought Glock used Carbon Steel on their slides which tends to work better for the QPQ type process?

It gives better corrosion resistance with carbon (I believe that there is very little increased corrosion resistance when working with stainless). Good QPQ companies are very capable of working with just about any steel.

[Gio]

I don't understand what would be wrong with just making the slide a bit heavier by filling in the cut out and leaving everything else the same, which seems to improve reliability (especially with a light attached) in other calibers.

[CS Tactical]

It gives better corrosion resistance with carbon (I believe that there is very little increased corrosion resistance when working with stainless). Good QPQ companies are very capable of working with just about any steel.

The process has probably evolved over time, but previously 'Stainless Steel' was typically limited to just QP like the original M&P's which still rusted pretty easily compared to a Glock.

[Sigfan26]

The process has probably evolved over time, but previously 'Stainless Steel' was typically limited to just QP like the original M&P's which still rusted pretty easily compared to a Glock.

Just texted a dude I know that works for one of the leading providers for QPQ (out of curiosity). Stainless is currently being QPQ'd, but needs different preparation. I wouldn't doubt that required a lot of trial and error to come to that conclusion.

[spinmove_]

Just texted a dude I know that works for one of the leading providers for QPQ (out of curiosity). Stainless is currently being QPQ'd, but needs different preparation. I wouldn't doubt that required a lot of trial and error to come to that conclusion.

I’m pretty sure M&P slides are stainless steel that are Melonited. This would be a similar process, would it not?


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[STI]

But I thought Glock used Carbon Steel on their slides which tends to work better for the QPQ type process?

I'm confident in saying you're right - medium carbon steel is the best value material in it's balance of strength, fatigue, and both heat treat/surface hardening and anti corrosion processing across most industries that don't have extreme environments.

[LOKNLOD]

I’m pretty sure M&P slides are stainless steel that are Melonited. This would be a similar process, would it not?


I believe Melonite is just a brand name for a form of the QPQ process. Also Tuffride and Tenifer are variants.

ETA: Yeah what Tom said.

[Texaspoff]

Why not save the money on the initial cost then, and buy the one with standard sights and then put on the ones you like?


Blue label guns and I just pick one from stock. Most of the LE dealers around here aren't carrying the LE guns without night sights. No harm no foul, as I have sold off most all of the other sights so it is pretty much a wash.



TXPO

[CS Tactical]

Melonite is QPQ. It's just the trademarked name that HEF (http://www.hefusa.net/melonite_qpq.html) uses for it. Melonite is sort of like the Kleenex of QPQ.

This is somewhat I was referring too which may be out of date:

http://www.burlingtoneng.com/melonite.html

Melonite Processing: Melonite Q

Improved Wear Resistance
Improved Running Properties
Increased Fatigue and Rolling Fatigue Strengths
Heat Resistance
Black Color

Melonite Processing: Melonite QP

lncludes the properties of Melonite Q
Lower coefficient of Friction
Decreased surface roughness

Melonite Processing: Melonite QPQ

lncludes the properties of Melonite Q and QP
Low Light Reflection
Further Decreased Coefficient of Friction
Enhanced Corrosion Resistance (Not suitable for stainless)

[CS Tactical]

I suppose Melonite is HEF's trademarked term for nitrocarburized case hardening and QPQ is a specific version of that.

I'm clearly not an expert. :)


Clearly you have no experience in this topic... :cool:

[SteveB]

I’m liking the 19.5 with Amerglo bolds. So far, about 500 rounds of this stuff:

https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/9mm-147gr-fmj-remanufactured-ammunition/

Better accuracy than my 19.3’s or 19.4’s; no ejection problems; really like these sights. Standing at 50, banging steel with this gun is no problem.

[GJM]

I’m liking the 19.5 with Amerglo bolds. So far, about 500 rounds of this stuff:

https://www.precisiondelta.com/products/9mm-147gr-fmj-remanufactured-ammunition/

Better accuracy than my 19.3’s or 19.4’s; no ejection problems; really like these sights. Standing at 50, banging steel with this gun is no problem.

How big is that steel? :cool:

[SteveB]

How big is that steel? :cool:

Huuuge

22825

[SteveB]

Anyway, we both know my steel is bigger than your steel. :cool:

[Wondering Beard]

Anyway, we both know my steel is bigger than your steel. :cool:

You're trying to push his buttons?

[pew_pew]

I just put HD XRs on a gen 5 19 impulsively. Not sure if I’m going to like them but may try shooting them today. Also I need to get a gen 5 17. Handled one yesterday and forgot how much nicer the full size grip is. May get that one with the factory night sights or Ameriglos. I really like this basic cheap factory night sights though.

[GJM]

My wife was gear testing the G5 17 this morning.

22861

22862

[L-2]

I've already messed with my G17Gen5. There was a slight "hitch" pulling the stock trigger with its trigger safety.

Although I've got another Gen5 trigger with trigger bar on order, I was able to get a Kineti-Tech.com Gen5 Glock trigger shoe to replace it faster than Glock can get a new trigger bar to me.

The original Glock shoe is removed by knocking out its pivot pin; the new shoe comes with a replacement pin (or the original pin can be used) to be tapped in securing the shoe to the trigger bar. It's relatively easy to do with the right-sized punches and some type of armorer's block. For an armorer's block I'll use a roll of tape and/or the top of a small, clamp-on bench vise.

This Gen5 also has a Glock-brand extended Gen4/5 mag catch; the extended length being very slight.

[GJM]

This afternoon, I tried a 5.0 striker spring and OEM minus connector in my G5/17. Improved the trigger enormously.

[SteveB]

This afternoon, I tried a 5.0 striker spring and OEM minus connector in my G5/17. Improved the trigger enormously.

This is no joke; did this last night and the trigger is much better.

[WobblyPossum]

This afternoon, I tried a 5.0 striker spring and OEM minus connector in my G5/17. Improved the trigger enormously.

Can you describe what aspects of the trigger pull changed and how?


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[Gio]

This afternoon, I tried a 5.0 striker spring and OEM minus connector in my G5/17. Improved the trigger enormously.

That is probably the extent of what I'll do to a USPSA production G5/34.

[GJM]

That is probably the extent of what I'll do to a USPSA production G5/34.

I am going to grab a G4/35 MOS. Am I correct that the only G5/34 is MOS, and if so what will you do for a rear sight? PS, what is this “Production” you refer to — sounds vaguely familiar, but I haven’t seen a Production shooter in a while.

[GJM]

Can you describe what aspects of the trigger pull changed and how?


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Lighter, more roll

[shiv]

I’ve had a Gen 5 I purchased from a friend. He bought it at the release and put 50 rounds through it and saw something else he had to have. I got it really cheap, but otherwise didn’t intend to purchase a Gen 5. I’ve had it about two months now and have put a shade over 1,000 rounds through it. It is a Gen 5 G17 with Ameriglo sights with an orange front dot.

I wanted a bit more out of the trigger and tried the minus out of a gen 4 G34. It made the trigger feel a bit mushy. But on reassembly, I noticed the trigger had some rough areas where the slide stop rides. Is it just me or do these two metal surface make contact? Anyway, I smoothed the area in question out, put a polished/coated DOT connector from a Gen 4 in it, and lightly polished the usual bearing surfaces and all of the spongy take-up is gone and the trigger is a little bit lighter using all factory parts. I’m typically not one for changing springs or moving away from Glock factory parts internally.

[JBP55]

I’ve had a Gen 5 I purchased from a friend. He bought it at the release and put 50 rounds through it and saw something else he had to have. I got it really cheap, but otherwise didn’t intend to purchase a Gen 5. I’ve had it about two months now and have put a shade over 1,000 rounds through it. It is a Gen 5 G17 with Ameriglo sights with an orange front dot.

I wanted a bit more out of the trigger and tried the minus out of a gen 4 G34. It made the trigger feel a bit mushy. But on reassembly, I noticed the trigger had some rough areas where the slide stop rides. Is it just me or do these two metal surface make contact? Anyway, I smoothed the area in question out, put a polished/coated DOT connector from a Gen 4 in it, and lightly polished the usual bearing surfaces and all of the spongy take-up is gone and the trigger is a little bit lighter using all factory parts. I’m typically not one for changing springs or moving away from Glock factory parts internally.

Why would the trigger pull improve and be lighter if you removed a Dot connector and installed a Dot connector?
Polishing normally helps smooth rough surfaces but does not normally lighten the trigger pull weight.

[M2CattleCo]

The trigger bar and right side slide stop do touch and it can affect the trigger pull quite a bit if you manage to touch the slide stop while pulling the trigger. I like to lube that area on the Gen5.

[Trukinjp13]

Lighter, more roll

Excuse the noobieness here. But I have never changed a spring in a Glock. Does this in anyway change reliability? Im digging the lighter pull and more roll.


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[Blackbag]

Lighter, more roll

What brand striker spring did you use? Thanks.

[GJM]

Excuse the noobieness here. But I have never changed a spring in a Glock. Does this in anyway change reliability? Im digging the lighter pull and more roll.


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Stock is 5.5. I use a Wolf 5.0 spring and have had excellent reliability with that spring and an OEM minus across a dozen or two Glock 9mm models. Have not tested it in the G5 yet.


What brand striker spring did you use? Thanks.

See above. This results in a trigger very much like a G4 with a minus and 5.0.

[Gio]

I am going to grab a G4/35 MOS. Am I correct that the only G5/34 is MOS, and if so what will you do for a rear sight? PS, what is this “Production” you refer to — sounds vaguely familiar, but I haven’t seen a Production shooter in a while.

Dawson sells a rear sight for MOS that is "non-cowitness" and sits at the standard height of other Dawson rear sights (.225" or .245" options).

I heard Shane say in a youtube video that MOS was going to be the only option, but I would prefer a non-MOS myself.

Production is starting to fall into the category of "hokey religions and ancient weapons."

[El Cid]

Dawson sells a rear sight for MOS that is "non-cowitness" and sits at the standard height of other Dawson rear sights (.225" or .245" options).

I heard Shane say in a youtube video that MOS was going to be the only option, but I would prefer a non-MOS myself.

Production is starting to fall into the category of "hokey religions and ancient weapons."

Damn. I wonder if someone can convince Ameriglo to produce a rear that doesn't hang off the rear of the slide? I'd even be cool with a rear that trapped the MOS plate as I won't be using it.

[shiv]

Why would the trigger pull improve and be lighter if you removed a Dot connector and installed a Dot connector?
Polishing normally helps smooth rough surfaces but does not normally lighten the trigger pull weight.



It was a polished and coated dot, that I already had. The minus took off about a pound but felt mushy. The polished dot combined with the rest of the polishing was smoother and took half a pound. That’s just what the scale says, I don’t have any opinion on if polishing should or shouldn’t reduce weight.

[Steve m]

Picked up a second Gen5 G-19, now that the weather is decent again in NC I can get to the range with it. Picked up a blade tech OWB holster for it also, I test fitted the holster at the store before I bought it. Now I try to test fit a gen5 in any holster I buy from my favorite gun shops. Interesting, y wife who is not a shooter prefers the Gen 5 trigger to my gen4's and gen3's, (all those have Ghost 3.5lb connectors). So far I am liking the gen5 over my gen4's and gen3's. Also picked up the new safariland ALS holster 7377 7TS (tight fit but works great).

[Craw]

Do the FBI 19/17s come with the .140 or .120 width front blade?

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I attended the Glock factory Law Enforcement Armorer School today. The whole first half of the day was spent on brand new Gen 5 19's and 17's. Later on we switched to well worn LEO trade in Gen 3 and Gen 4 17's and 22's to begin diagnosing issues.

After having spent a solid half a day dissecting the Gen 5 and studying it's components, I am sold on this new design. Going back to the 2 pin system, the design of the the slide release levers, the new trigger housing assembly design, it is all so beautifully simple and well thought through!

My two Gen 5 19's are sitting in the safe still. Brand new and unfired. I am just too busy right now with other stuff to devote the time to them. My trusty Gen 3 17 is still my go to CCW for now. I really hope to get one of these Gen 5 34 MOS guns this year, but we shall see. I would probably opt for the 10-8 Performance MOS rear with a fiber front when I get a 34.5 MOS.

[JSGlock34]

Do the FBI 19/17s come with the .140 or .120 width front blade?

Both. (.140 and .125)

[L-2]

Both. (.140 and .125)

It must be nice if the Bureau is taking the time to let the Agent choose or try the different width front sights; or the Glock might just issued to the Agent in whatever configuration and told to use it as is. I also realize not everyone is a "gun-guy" or "gun-gal" and likely doesn't care which sights are on the Glock. I think the Agents also choose a G17M or G19M for size, too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, however, or if anyone on here has actual knowledge of how the FBI is issuing pistols and sights. Training and qualifying is just one of many requirements and there are other things about the career which provide more satisfaction to the person.

In my LE career, I liked the firearms qualifications, but didn't care for the driving and hands-on/handcuffing re-certifications as much. I always passed, I just didn't care to have to do it periodically. I also didn't like CPR & 1st Aid retraining but I admit to never remembering all the details of CPR/1st Aid by the time re-certifying came about which is probably why we needed to re-certify.

[Nephrology]

I also didn't like CPR & 1st Aid retraining but I admit to never remembering all the details of CPR/1st Aid by the time re-certifying came about which is probably why we needed to re-certify.

30 compressions : 2 rescue breaths, 100bpm (tune of the Beegee's stayin alive) please and thank you :) make sure you allow the chest to recoil fully to allow for atrial refill!

[Balisong]

30 compressions : 2 rescue breaths, 100bpm (tune of the Beegee's stayin alive) please and thank you :) make sure you allow the chest to recoil fully to allow for atrial refill!

Also works pretty well with Another One Bites the Dust :D

[newyork]

If anyone is interested, and/or a Ban stater here, I called and asked Glock if the gen 5 G19 10rd mags are redesigned and they said no. The new mags only have an orange follower of the same design and a different base plate. Would be nice to have good G19 10rd and not have to chop and use G26 mags for some.

[spinmove_]

If anyone is interested, and/or a Ban stater here, I called and asked Glock if the gen 5 G19 10rd mags are redesigned and they said no. The new mags only have an orange follower of the same design and a different base plate. Would be nice to have good G19 10rd and not have to chop and use G26 mags for some.

I should be getting those Magpul 10 rounders in here soon.


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[newyork]

Let us know how they run if you don’t mind.

[spinmove_]

Let us know how they run if you don’t mind.

I plan on doing so in the thread that I opened linking where I bought them from as soon as I get some rounds through them.


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