*THE* Gen 5 Glock thread: First Impressions, Reviews and Thoughts

[MSparks909]

Hoping we can consolidate all the Gen 5 info into this one thread. We currently have the Glock MHS thread, Gen 5 Beta Test Thread and the Glock 17M thread...lot to keep bouncing back and forth to! If you shoot a Gen 5 tonight, post it here. If you buy one, post it here. Let's make this *the* de-facto Gen 5 thread for this forum to simplify things :cool:

[cathellsk]

I have two blue label Glock 19 Gen5s shipping Monday to me. Waiting to see for sure my dealer was able to get the Ameriglo equipped ones like I asked for.
One of the videos released today stated the trigger guard was undercut compared to previous models. I'll check on that when mine come in.

[wmu12071]

I am an official Gen 5 G19 beta tester. 50 rounds so far with 0 brass to the face. Felt recoil seems to be slightly less but it's more than likely new gun syndrome. The trigger on the 5 I played with varied from smooth light roll like a minus connector weight to a bit heavy but still rolling break.

I don't the the trigger guard is under cut. I can look tomorrow.

It "works" in a mastermind made for gen 4 17 but I think a Dremel spin tomorrow will make it work better.

The dovetail protectors seem different. Narrower post maybe? Either way they still suck and will be replaced. My example seemed about normal accuracy for me level of suck. I did pull a few shots low and the sights we're about an inch low at 7 yards.

I wish Glock would have made the frame nose and the slide match. It just looks off. Good thing I don't look at the muzzle much.

Sorry of the stream of thoughts, it's late and I am usually asleep for a few hours by now.

[wmu12071]

Ok, I got up and looked, the bottom of the trigger guard looks identical to me. I did notice when handled back to back that I think the bottom side of the trigger guard feels undercut because my knuckle is jammed into the finger grooves. My middle finger liked the G17 width for the first finger better than the G19.

[holmes168]

20 rounds and no brass to face. Range was selling for discount off msrp and club membership discount.
Really nice trigger. Standard Glock sights- I'll wait to check after market later.
Tired but pretty happy- fingers crossed.

[Totem Polar]

I chose to shoot my allotted rounds through the 19 only. I like it. I think the Feebs did their homework on this. Late night impressions:

The trigger feels great, both internal workings, and the smooth face that comes on the 19.

Grip feels great. The gen 4 19's grooves seemed to fit my hand ok, but I definitely prefer this new gen 5 grip without the grooves.

The front sight looks to be a little narrower than the one on the 26 I took down to entertain myself between 11 and midnight.

It shot about an inch low for me as well, using my standard Glock dot hold.

The range owner's son had been briefed well by Glock; he had all sorts of tidbits... reportedly, the ion bond finish over the tenifer–in addition to looking sharp–is also as hard as ceramic knife sharpening stones. Or so I was told. On the subject of the ambi slide release, one advantage that they reportedly offer is better reliability because they lock up into both sides of the slide; the slide is therefore less likely to auto forward with a botched mag insert under stress, and more likely to lock open securely with out of spec mags, worn followers etc. Made some sense to me; I was pretty lackluster in my enthusiasm for the ambi lever until I heard that bit.

It was very soft-shooting. I'd want to have an older 19 on hand and do a side by side before swearing to it, but *I think* it has a little less felt recoil. Could be the new RSA, could be the grip is better without those stupid grooves, could be the 2 pin design allows the frame to flex more, could be a little of all of it together; could be my imagination.

Range guy says they were told that the G26 and G34 were next, but not until after January. At any rate, he is under the impression that they are going to finish out all the 9mms, and then deal with rolling the changes into the other model numbers.

I'm pretty sold on that 19. Probably my next Glock. I still remember my experience with the first 42 I bought (very early; first day ship), so I think I'll let these things roll out for a while before grabbing one myself, but it'll happen at some point. Fit my keeper AIWB 19 holster perfectly, so I guess I have to get one.
:cool:

Time to hit the rack. I'll be interested to see what others think in the am.

[Bucky]

Pretty interesting that the slide stop engages the slide on both sides of the gun.

My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?

[wmu12071]

Pretty interesting that the slide stop engages the slide on both sides of the gun.

My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?

I was worried about the cut out but, for me, I don't even notice it. If you have thicker fingers it could be a problem.

Another random thought, I think the slide release sticks out farther on the shooters left side... I think.

[Dcowboyscr]

Ok just looked at a gen-5 17/19 $599 each at Point Blank in Greenwood, Indiana. Very nice!!!!! After looking at both I'm actually leaning towards a G17. Reason being the cutout on the front strap of the magwell is more pronounced on the G19 plus it has a shorter grip therefore my pinky finger goes across it. I could see that being annoying in actual shooting and/or extended shooting sessions. Also, the trigger pull was really nice for a Glock.

[Gio]

JM @Tonymayer has made me holsters fit specifically for the M/gen5 guns.

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[Texaspoff]

Ok just looked at a gen-5 17/19 $599 each at Point Blank in Greenwood, Indiana. Very nice!!!!! After looking at both I'm actually leaning towards a G17. Reason being the cutout on the front strap of the magwell is more pronounced on the G19 plus it has a shorter grip therefore my pinky finger goes across it. I could see that being annoying in actual shooting and/or extended shooting sessions. Also, the trigger pull was really nice for a Glock.


This is likely going to be the consensus for a lot of folks on the 5th gen G19. Again this is the issues I had with the 2nd gen guns and will be an issue with the 5th gen. Some may not see this as a big deal, but after a bit of shooting, the cutout really starts to irritate my pinky. The cut out isn't an issue on the full sized guns, so I might get a 5th gen G17 to replace my old 2nd Gen 17 range gun, but the 5th Gen G19 is out for me.

TXPO

[4gallonbucket]

This is likely going to be the consensus for a lot of folks on the 5th gen G19. Again this is the issues I had with the 2nd gen guns and will be an issue with the 5th gen. Some may not see this as a big deal, but after a bit of shooting, the cutout really starts to irritate my pinky. The cut out isn't an issue on the full sized guns, so I might get a 5th gen G17 to replace my old 2nd Gen 17 range gun, but the 5th Gen G19 is out for me.

TXPO

Yes and wonder how the chopped 17 to 19 grips will turn out


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[wmu12071]

The slide release DOES stick out farther, the material used is thicker. I didn't put calibers on it just eyeballed.

[Gray222]

so....

my LE-only gun store has them in, but cannot sell them until the 30th.

[MSparks909]

Anyone know how much the Gen 5 guns with Ameriglo's will cost? Non LEO here. Just curious.

[CCT125US]

Went to a local reveal with a buddy. Free pizza and pop at the range, dueling tree and pin shoot? Heck yeah! Definitely preferred the recoil of the G19. Positive reset, good trigger, like the magwell, ambi release and lack of finger groves. I know the groves are personal preference, really don't care myself, other than it is more similar to a P2000 or USP and therefore familiar. Brass ejection was very consistent, did not have or see any BTF. One young shooter had very poor recoil control, and still had very even ejection. I passed on my purchase, but my buddy couldn't resist and paid the $649. May get to shoot it some on Monday. Glock will sell a ton of them.

[Dismas316]

Anyone know the blue label pricing?

[Gray222]

Anyone know the blue label pricing?

$397 for plastic sights, $457 for Ameriglos ?

plus or minor $5-10

[Mitch]

$397 for plastic sights, $457 for Ameriglos ?

plus or minor $5-10

Damn, that's a good deal. Is that what we could expect for GSSF prices?


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[pangloss]

Do the Gen5 G19's have the smooth-faced trigger or the traditional G19 trigger? Ameriglo BOLD sights, BTF-free ejection, and a smooth-faced trigger make for my ideal G19. Of course swapping out triggers is just a 3 minute job, but it'd be great to buy a pistol just they way I like it.

[spinmove_]

Do the Gen5 G19's have the smooth-faced trigger or the traditional G19 trigger? Ameriglo BOLD sights, BTF-free ejection, and a smooth-faced trigger make for my ideal G19. Of course swapping out triggers is just a 3 minute job, but it'd be great to buy a pistol just they way I like it.

Every picture I've seen shows a smooth faced trigger.


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[Gray222]

Damn, that's a good deal. Is that what we could expect for GSSF prices?


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No idea...

[Dcowboyscr]

Do the Gen5 G19's have the smooth-faced trigger or the traditional G19 trigger? Ameriglo BOLD sights, BTF-free ejection, and a smooth-faced trigger make for my ideal G19. Of course swapping out triggers is just a 3 minute job, but it'd be great to buy a pistol just they way I like it. Yes, the 19 comes with the smooth faced trigger.

[CDFIII]

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I ran 320rds. out of my gen. 5 19 this morning. Ejection was good so far. I really like the smooth front strap. I'll do a more in depth review of it later when I have a bit more time.

[holmes168]

Back from my first trip to shoot the new gun.
I know there were a bunch of satisfied P320 owners until someone on youtube dropped it- but if the Gen5 continues to perform like it did today- then I am thrilled.
I am in no way certified to take anything apart- much less a gun- so most of my observations may not satisfy a lot of technical questions.
The trigger face is smooth and the trigger safety works no different than the Gen 4. The trigger is not even in the same game as the stock Gen 4 triggers. I do not see any reason to swap out the trigger for my own personnel use. The new trigger is pretty stiff and I have been shooting VP9, 9SK, and G19 with Evo Elite connector- so it will take a bit getting used to. I actually flinched a couple times due to the stiffness of the trigger, pulled a shots off target. But- it is really so much better than anything I have ever seen from Glock. I don't have anything to measure the weight and the trigger isn't as light as the VP9 or PPQ, but it is really good. I look forward to reading what good shooters think :).
The stock sights sit higher than the stocks sights I had on my Gen 4 G19. I am hoping that my Gen 4 Ameriglo Hackathorn sights fit on the Gen 5. I think they do- and I will switch them out. However- for those who just don't change out their stock sights- these are better.
No issues with ejection......almost- I had one round go straight back, but it didn't hit me in the face. I was shooting 115gr Blazer- not the best ammo- but I have found it reliable after a few thousand rounds through multiple pistols.
Round count:
150 Blazer Brass 115gr- one ejection straight back- do I count that as BTF- well........it didn't hit me so I will be generous for now.
50 Federal 147gr HST which is my carry ammo. Awesome ejection on this- I could have put a bucket down and collected most of my expended brass.
10 Holmes 115gr Reloads- I finished my day blowing through a 10 round mag- no issues.
So- fresh out of box, not even a wipe down (thinking I may just go to 2,000 unless someone says it may cause issues without cleaning anything off from the factory), and 0 malfunctions.
One nice thing- I like the orange on the new mags. Makes round count easy.
If anyone wants some basic pics- let me know. Again- not an armorer in any way shape or form, but I can field strip it and do a Gen 4 vs Gen 5 comparison. Let me know.

Overall very happy, but can't wait until GJM, Voodoo Man, and others send in their comments.

[396]

Pretty interesting that the slide stop engages the slide on both sides of the gun.

My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?

Makes the 19 a go-to for me as my pinkie goes right into the hole. Makes my grip feel weird and can't imagine not having discomfort when firing. I have small hands and skinny fingers FWIW.

[holmes168]

Pretty interesting that the slide stop engages the slide on both sides of the gun.

My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?

I didn't notice it at all. My pinkie rests very comfortably on the lip of the magwell. I actually like not having the finger grooves. I really had no idea how much the finger grooves bothered me until this morning.

[holmes168]

Couple more quick thoughts
No finger grooves is a massive upgrade
The Gen 5 fit in my JMCK IWB 3 for the G17, but not my AIWB 2.5 for G-17 Gen 4.
Perfect fit in my Gen 4 DSG Arms IWB holster for Gen 4 G19.

[Totem Polar]

Yes and wonder how the chopped 17 to 19 grips will turn out

I had the immediate thought eyeballing the 17 that you'd lose the new magwell flare. The magwell is nice.


Definitely preferred the recoil of the G19. Positive reset, good trigger, like the magwell, ambi release and lack of finger groves...
Agreed. I forgot to mention the magwell earlier: that thing really is like the mouth of a leopard.


My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?


I didn't notice the mag lip cutout, but A) I have skinny fingers, and B) 20 rounds isn't much.

[Gray222]

Has anyone tried to put a gen4 slide lever into their gen5?

I assume it won't work but I'd like a better alternative than just dremeling off the nonused ambi slide release. I know there will be one available on the market any minute now though.

[Totem Polar]

I grossly overpaid for a 17 and a 19 this morning...

Tom, you are my tax-writeoff hero! Way to go...

[dwcopple]

Has anyone left the slide in their holster like the police did?

[4gallonbucket]

I grossly overpaid for a 17 and a 19 this morning.

The guns are nice. Best out of box trigger I've ever experienced with a Glock -- no discernible "wall", clean rolling break, a little under 4.5 pounds (measured at the tip of the trigger -- the only place I've ever been able to get consistent measurement with a Glock). Assuming they hold up and no issues arise, I think Glock has a real winner with the Gen5/M design.

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Other than the half inch gap will a 17 upper run on a 19 lower?

It looks like the barrels are now standardized in shape and interaction with the locking block. I was thinking maybe this might work if there's a way to extend the dust cover or put a shroud around the slide- like a G 34 and run a 19 recoil spring.


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[holmes168]

I grossly overpaid for a 17 and a 19 this morning.

The guns are nice. Best out of box trigger I've ever experienced with a Glock -- no discernible "wall", clean rolling break, a little under 4.5 pounds (measured at the tip of the trigger -- the only place I've ever been able to get consistent measurement with a Glock). Assuming they hold up and no issues arise, I think Glock has a real winner with the Gen5/M design.

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Just waiting on the range report and some type of gadget!

[172driver]

What sights has everyone been getting?

[dwcopple]

You keep asking about this, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a genuine concern of yours. Some of the early guns delivered to IMPD had out of spec slide lock springs. That issue was addressed and it's not been a problem since.

Thank God

[zart312]

It's possible I missed it in one of the gen5 threads, but do we know reasoning for redesigning the firing pin block.


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[EJO]

so....

my LE-only gun store has them in, but cannot sell them until the 30th.

I'm in the same boat. He has my name on one but cannot release it until the 30th.

[HCM]

It's possible I missed it in one of the gen5 threads, but do we know reasoning for redesigning the firing pin block.


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Consistency in the trigger pull. The round FO safety wears in evenly as it does or does not rotate and results in some inconsistency in the trigger pull. This is a carry over from the 42/43.

Tom could advise if it is related to the reduction in pretravel as well.

[steve]

Anyone know the blue label pricing?

My understanding is stock sights still $398, Ameriglo's $476. GSSF pricing is usually $25 above blue label. I have one on order blue label but I forgot to ask about the price exactly.

[Greg]

Somebody get one of these to Enel so it can undergo "Hammertime".

[NoLock]

Any word on 10 round versions for us guys in NY?

[Dismas316]

I, like Tom also overpaid for the 19. Stood in line this morning at the Glock invite and shot both the 17 and the 19. Starting driving home but ended up turning around after I was able to make some sort of "justification" in my own mind of getting one now and not waiting. Anyway, once I purchased, I went to the range and put 150 rounds of speer lawman 124 grain and compared to my gen 4 19.

As far as felt recoil, I really couldn't tell any difference. At best it my be slightly better on the gen 5 but the recoil spring looks identical so probably in my head. But no discernable difference that I could tell. Trigger is pretty darn good out of the box. I have the apex trigger in both my 19 and 26 (flat trigger and gen 3 trigger bar only) and it felt almost identical to that. Right out of the box with my lyman it was 5.2lbs (10 pulls). When I got home I did they old .25c trigger job and it is a consistant 4.12, the hightest of 10 pulls was 5.3. They removed the bump on the trigger bar and the plunger is changed. Only thing I would even consider changing is maybe a flat trigger shoe, otherwise totally good to go for me.

This gun was incredible accurate for me. I always felt my 320 & PPQ were my most accurate sf pistols but the gen5 glock is as good if not better from an accuaracty standpoint for me. I was shooting at 15 yards with my 19 rmr and my gen 5 glock was about as accurate, changed at 25 yards but anything 15 yards in the gen 5 stayed with my rmr. For me that was very impressive. Really interested to hear from the really good shooters out there but it very accurate right out of the box.

From the ergos standpoint, I have had the dreaded glock knuckle and have all my glocks undercut. I'm not sure I need it for this, the lack of finger grooves seems to be not only a plus from a general feel, but the glock knuckle issue is greatly improved depending on the size of your mits. For those that were worried about the opening of the bottom of the magwell, it was not even noticable to me. My hands are med/large (I typically wear large gloves) so my pinky finger sat right on the opening, no pinch or anything, again not even notcable. The slightly flarred magwell is pretty good.

I did have one recurring issue that I am not happy about and that was I keep hitting the slide stop and the slide would lock open. I tend to have a pretty high purchase when shooting so all my glocks have the oem stock slide stop that is totally flush to the frame. I have never been able to use a 3rd party slide lock as others so if you do, it probably won't be a problem. The slide stop sticks out and is not flush and that's all it takes for me to have that problem. But because it's ambi, I can't change to a gen 4 slide stop lever, at least I don't think I can. I might be stuck changing my grip slightly which I don't really want to do when specifically shooting the gen5. This is is more of "my issue" problem so YMMV. Irratating issue so if anyone has suggestion, please let me know.

Overally I have a feeling these are going to be a winner and sell like hotcakes. Unfortunetly they didn't have any with the ameriglo sights so mine had the standard plastic sights, outside of that, the gen 5 is really pretty good to go right out of the box. Kind of suprised they didn't have the front serrations, on these. They are going to put a damper on some of the aftermarket folks. Fits perfect in my JMC wing 2.0.

Hopefully the gadge won't be far off. Just added more work for Tom :D

http://i.imgur.com/qVJw17T.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AzOijwU.jpg

[Gray222]

I'm in the same boat. He has my name on one but cannot release it until the 30th.

Even though the gun store down the road will sell them today, but for $600ish...lol

[holmes168]

Even though the gun store down the road will sell them today, but for $600ish...lol

But- it's so close....and you'll need two.....lol

[Gray222]

But- it's so close....and you'll need two.....lol

I might buy a 17 just because.

Not that I need one, but its always good to have one...you know...for development purposes...

[Xhado]

It looked like that could be a probably for some. Here's a comparison between the Gen4 and Gen5 slide stops:

Gen4:
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Gen5:
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I posted a few posts back that a Gen 4 slide stop appears to work. I'd suggest using a gen4 trigger pin also if I someone were to do that.

Thats quite a noticeable difference.

I wish they would have modified the frame to cover some of the slide stop like the G43.

[EJO]

Even though the gun store down the road will sell them today, but for $600ish...lol

Exactly! There is literally a shop just a block or two down from him that did the midnight grand reveal and started selling them. I keep telling myself good things come to those who wait and I definitely will wait for my blue label price.

[BWT]

I'm very interested in the Glock 17.

Extended slide release, (it appears) mag release, more accurate barrel, better finish, brass to the face potentially gone, removal of pre-travel and reasonable weight trigger, undercut trigger guard and the sights I love on my Glock 26 as a factory option?

I'm interested to see the grip texture, but a mag well as well reminds me of my TRP.

Well done Glock. Short of a SCD; I don't need an aftermarket.

I'm excited to handle and shoot one. I may be fanboying out.

God Bless,

Brandon

[Dismas316]

Tom

I posted a few posts back that a Gen 4 slide stop appears to work. I'd suggest using a gen4 trigger pin also if I someone were to do that.

You mean the trigger housing pin that goes into the backstrap correct?

[holmes168]

I'm very interested in the Glock 17.

Extended slide release, (it appears) mag release, more accurate barrel, better finish, brass to the face potentially gone, removal of pre-travel and reasonable weight trigger, undercut trigger guard and the sights I love on my Glock 26 as a factory option?

I'm interested to see the grip texture, but a mag well as well reminds me of my TRP.

Well done Glock. Short of a SCD; I don't need an aftermarket.

I'm excited to handle and shoot one. I may be fanboying out.

God Bless,

Brandon

The grip texture seems to be the exact same. The grip looks to be identical in width and length. Obviously no finger grooves.

[Totem Polar]

(awesome tech stuff...)

For me this means that I'll... have... the SCD for the Gen5 guns...


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[CDFIII]

I may have overlooked it.... but anyone have sights available yet. I am guessing no? Also I found out that Gen.4 grip plug works in my Gen.5. So that's a plus.

[BWT]

The grip texture seems to be the exact same. The grip looks to be identical in width and length. Obviously no finger grooves.

Right what I meant was the perception/handling differences of the front strap without finger grooves present and only the texture.

God Bless,

Brandon

[spinmove_]

I may have overlooked it.... but anyone have sights available yet. I am guessing no? Also I found out that Gen.4 grip plug works in my Gen.5. So that's a plus.

Gen5 guns should have the same sight dovetails.


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[CDFIII]

I was unclear in my original post. I was looking at my front and it seems to be taller than my gen.4. I haven't measured anything yet so it could just be me.

[Up1911Fan]

Tom, are the connectors the same?

[Rex G]

Interesting thread. I may buy a blue-label Gen5, probably a G19, with some of the OT I am earning due to Hurricane Harvey. Damp discomfort today, but perhaps a nice pistol in a few weeks/months. My skinny fingers actually work well with Gen4 G19 finger grooves, but that does not necessarily mean the finger grooves are optimal.

[HCM]

I was unclear in my original post. I was looking at my front and it seems to be taller than my gen.4. I haven't measured anything yet so it could just be me.

Is it an Ameriglo ?

The sight dovetails are the same. The FBI contract sights for the M guns work fine on G26 Gen 4's

[Totem Polar]

Gen5 guns should have the same sight dovetails.

That's what we were told at the local release. Same sight cuts.


Folks might enjoy this overview from Recoil, as it covers many of the differences (and lists the specific continuation parts) between 4 and 5:

http://www.recoilweb.com/inside-the-glock-gen-5-129141.html

[HCM]

Tom, are the connectors the same?

The M guns have their own connector. Per the RECOIL article the Gen 5 does as well.

[Dismas316]

Interesting thread. I may buy a blue-label Gen5, probably a G19, with some of the OT I am earning due to Hurricane Harvey. Damp discomfort today, but perhaps a nice pistol in a few weeks/months. My skinny fingers actually work well with Gen4 G19 finger grooves, but that does not necessarily mean the finger grooves are optimal.

I actually didn't mind the finger grooves at all. Mine fit pretty well with them, that said, I still had to have the trigger guard undercut, the lack of finger grooves really improves that part of the grip. I may not need to have it undercut at all.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Chris Bartocci just posted on youtube his great summation of the Gen 5 story. For anybody who is not familiar with Chris Bartocci... I highly recommend checking out more on his channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9erZOL7RCw

[holmes168]

Interested to know if anyone has hit the range with a Gen 5 today. As I posted earlier- I could not be happier. Great thread and definitely appreciate the knowledge being shared.

[Totem Polar]

This is not true -- at least not with my guns. While the right side slide stop does have a notch that it could lock into, it doesn't actually lock into it. When the slide is locked back it's held by the left slide stop just like on the non-ambi gen4 (and earlier guns) and the notch on the right side sits ~0.04" to 0.05" behind the slide stop on that side. I suppose if the left side failed, the right side would catch the slide, but both sides aren't normally engaging the slide.


I'll certainly take your word on that one. Brings up a follow up Q: do you think that's possibly where the comments about "more resistant to inadvertent auto-forwarding" and "more reliable locking back on empty" come from, i.e. the design of the right side notch has the notch/lever gap in order for it to act as a secondary catch in case the left one slips out of the notch during slide lock?

[HCM]

I'll certainly take your word on that one. Brings up a follow up Q: do you think that's possibly where the comments about "more resistant to inadvertent auto-forwarding" and "more reliable locking back on empty" come from, i.e. the design of the right side notch has the notch/lever gap in order for it to act as a secondary catch in case the left one slips out of the notch during slide lock?

For at least two of the LE Contracts the M/Gen 5 were designed to compete for Auto-Forwarding was specified as a malfunction in the requirements.

[Dismas316]

Interested to know if anyone has hit the range with a Gen 5 today. As I posted earlier- I could not be happier. Great thread and definitely appreciate the knowledge being shared.


I did, put a little over 100+ rounds and compared to my gen 4 19. Pretty impressed overall. Trigger is pretty good, I'd mentioned a couple pages back that my other glocks have the apex flat trigger that's comes with the gen 3 trigger bar and the gen 5 action feels almost exactly like it. Some have said better recoil impulse but I really couldn't tell much different. Not sure if because it the rifling in the barrel but I was very accurate with it today..I was an early adopter with the 320 and that for me was a more accurate shooting gun than any of my glocks. I would say that is no longer the case at all with the gen 5.

[HeavyDuty]

I stopped up at the local Gen5 gangbang and gave the 19 a spin. Overall, I was impressed - the trigger was great and the lack of finger grooves didn't bother me (I'm normally a fan of them, they fit me well.) I was only able to put 20 rounds through it and had one possible BTF (it may have been a barrier bounce.)

But, the 19 at least has a deal killer for me - the return to the awful mag well scallop. I hated that on my 23 Gen2 and despite years of trying to contour the damn thing a little at a time it always bothered me. The scallop and general ergonomics of the Gen2 actuallyndrove me away to M&Ps for ten years, it took the 43 and Gen4s to bring me back. Just 20 rounds today reminded me how much the freaking scallop bothers me.

[cosine]

With the thicker slide stop, how well do the gen 5 pistols fit in existing holsters?

[Jaywalker]

Does the Gen5 have a shorter trigger reach than the Gen4? (In some pics the trigger looks to lean less forward than older models, plus less pre-travel...)

[holmes168]

With the thicker slide stop, how well do the gen 5 pistols fit in existing holsters?

Mine fit in a DSG Arms IWB holster for G19 and JMCK IWB 3 for G17 perfect.
It didn't fit in JMCK AIWB 2.5 for a G-17.

[holmes168]

On the G19 is either exactly the same or within a few thousands of being the same.

Tom- the reset seems much shorter on Gen 5- true or just imagination?

[holmes168]

I don't have a precise way to measure it, but side-by-side it seems to be the same as the Gen4 to me.

Could just be the trigger on Gen 5- it's a lot smoother. No crunchy sponges on the stock trigger.

[HCM]

With the thicker slide stop, how well do the gen 5 pistols fit in existing holsters?

With the M models it has varied from holster to holster, though the issue is usually the right side lever rather than the thickness of the left.

[Sero Sed Serio]

Stopped by C2 in Tempe this afternoon and handled (but didn't shoot) both the G17 and G19 with plastic sights. Overall I'm very impressed with the features of the new guns. While I get that this gun was built for the FBI requirements, it seems like Glock went out of their way to address common concerns, something that they haven't always been known for in the past.

The trigger on the G19 was pretty good, but the G17 had a great trigger, with no wall whatsoever. This left me with the impression that there may be some variation from gun to gun. I simulated a few reloads, and the magwell seemed like a minor improvement, but I've never really had issues with other Glocks, so it wasn't a huge thing for me. The slide stop lever was an improvement over the previous flat ones, but not quite as good as a Tango Down/Vickers. However, if Vickers did develop a Gen. 5 version, I'm not sure that it would be enough of a difference to justify paying for it--the stock version is quite serviceable. The plastic sights were a minor improvement, as well, with the front sight being narrower. I'm so used to ignoring the rear notch cutting off the front dot on the few occasions that I shoot someone else's Glock with factory sights that I didn't notice if this was an issue with the Gen. 5.

My pinky went straight across the cutout on the 19, and while I don't have enough trigger time on a Gen. 2 19 to know if it would be a problem, it is a concern. On the G17, the cutout is below my pinky, and a non-issue. Also, I'm kind of an oddball where the finger grooves on the G19 Gen. 4 fit me well, but my fingers end up on the high points of the G17 Gen. 4 finger grooves. Considering that my JMCK Wing Claw 2.5 gives me the ability to legitimately conceal a P226, I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the Gen. 5 G17.

Assuming the guns perform, I think Glock has a winner with these. If I got to play God (or Gaston) for a day and was speccing out a Glock, the only changes I'd make would be to lose the cutout in the front of the mag well, and on the Ameriglo models I'd probably make the rear notch a little narrower, but that's just a guess based on dimensions, sight unseen. As long as the gun ejects properly, the only change I would make would be to add a Gadget.

I do have a few questions for people who actually have guns in hand. My biggest concern is whether the Gen. 5 guns address the inconsistent extraction/ejection that previous Glocks suffer from. As I understand the issue, extractor tension varies between guns, and the magazine spring pushing up the next round plays a significant role in ejection. As such, quality of ejection can vary throughout the life of the magazine spring. I'm assuming that a lot of the people who shot the new guns were shooting new magazines with them, which would have the strongest springs to aid in ejection. Has anyone shot a Gen. 5 with an older mag that has a worn in spring to see if that effects ejection? Likewise, has anyone performed the extractor test with a Gen. 5?

Finally, I asked C2 to call me when a blue label G17 came in. I put down that I preferred the Ameriglo sights, but would be okay with the plastic factory sights. Can I get the Ameriglos separately, either from Ameriglo or Glock? Or am I out of luck if I don't get them with the gun?

[GJM]

Before the Gen 4 pistols were introduced, I actively sought out the 17 frames with the front cut out, as they reloaded measurably faster for me. Posted about that on PF years ago.

[Sensei]

Tom, I could not find where this was mentioned in this or other threads, but what is the status of the Gadget for the Gen 5? If it doesn't work, are there plans for a new one?

Again, my apologies if this was covered. Life has largely taken me away from the internet this month.

[Mjolnir]

Some may recognize his name.

He writes for Small Arms Review magazine.

https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw



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[TheNewbie]

I grossly overpaid for a 17 and a 19 this morning.

The guns are nice. Best out of box trigger I've ever experienced with a Glock -- no discernible "wall", clean rolling break, a little under 4.5 pounds (measured at the tip of the trigger -- the only place I've ever been able to get consistent measurement with a Glock). Assuming they hold up and no issues arise, I think Glock has a real winner with the Gen5/M design.

19356

That trigger weight sounds similar to the VP9, which people complained might be too light. Do you think the same might be true for the Gen5?

Not trying to start a debate, just trying to have a reference point.

Thank you for your input.

[Willard]

Tom, I could not find where this was mentioned in this or other threads, but what is the status of the Gadget for the Gen 5? If it doesn't work, are there plans for a new one?

Again, my apologies if this was covered. Life has largely taken me away from the internet this month.

Not Tom, but he did post this, which may be helpful (NOTE: Since he now has the Gen 5s in hand, there may be an update I missed):


The M models (which the Gen5 is supposed to be based upon) have a different slide cover plate with much larger cutouts at the bottom than previous generations. This is due to the new trigger housing having an enlarged/heightened wall with sloped leading edge on it's right (starboard) side. I suspect that has something to do with the new firing pin block geometry. I'm unsure why that would be necessary, but since that's where the firing pin block would be located when the slide is all the way to the rear, that's my guess (but it's only speculation since I've not handled a M gun and only seen a couple of photos).

ETA: and the M guns have a small, thin-walled tab on the frame to partially fill in the now much larger hole in the rear of the slide. A current SCD and that little tab attempt to occupy the same space at the same time.

[Sensei]

Not Tom, but he did post this, which may be helpful (NOTE: Since he now has the Gen 5s in hand, there may be an update I missed):

Muchas gracias. I saw reports that the Gen 5s sported a new striker and plate cover which made me think there might be compatibility issues. Oh well, at least I will see fewer "vanity" plate covers with Punisher logos...for a few weeks.

[john c]

Any word on capability with Safariland duty holsters? Specifically the 6360 and similar ALS/SLS models?

[BigT]

Before the Gen 4 pistols were introduced, I actively sought out the 17 frames with the front cut out, as they reloaded measurably faster for me. Posted about that on PF years ago.


As does , or at least did as if a couple years ago, the Vogeltron.

[MSparks909]

It's already started...didn't do that great.

https://youtu.be/ZR0Ss3yVV5I

[Totem Polar]

It's already started...didn't do that great.

It's no gen3 G21, by the looks of it.

[VT1032]

Do we really want to encourage these guys by linking to their "torture test" videos? :cool:

FWIW, the M guns (which are essentially the same as Gen5) set a new record at the FBI in their pistol testing with a mean rounds between failure of 11,000.

I mean, I think these "torture tests" are dumb any how, but that one was particularly bad. He dunked them in all the shit with no magazine in the gun... Of course it's going to have problems.

[Gray222]

I mean, I think these "torture tests" are dumb any how, but that one was particularly bad. He dunked them in all the shit with no magazine in the gun... Of course it's going to have problems.

Well how else do you expect a brand new gun to stop functioning in other than totally unrealistic circumstances?

Do it for the YT likes!

[Leroy]

Before the Gen 4 pistols were introduced, I actively sought out the 17 frames with the front cut out, as they reloaded measurably faster for me. Posted about that on PF years ago.

I felt the same. Never paid attention to the cutout until I bought a 2011 G34 as a new match gun. First time running reloads I was baffled at why my reloads were suddenly shit.

[Tony Mayer]

Hey all, when it comes to holsters, we have been setting up our molds for the past month and half to accept the ambi slide release. It is officially up on the site now that the 17 and 19 fit the Gen 5. If for some reason you received a holster in the last month and half that doesn't have the channel for ambi slide release, let me know and I will send you a return label to get that fixed. If you want to send in your holster that is older than that, send it with $15.00 in the box for me to cover return shipping and the quick mod, and we can modify it to accept the Gen 5. Of course this only applies to the 17 or 19.

Thanks

[GRV]

I would encourage people to be very cautious about using a non-Gen5 slide stop in Gen5 gun. While it appears to work sitting on my bent and hand cycling it, the Gen5 locking block doesn't have that second pin through it that the slide stop spring acts against and instead just pushes against the locking block a little further back. As a result, people might get premature slide lock.

Anyone trying this should probably stick to the old spike limited slide stop if they can get their hands on it.

[Larry Sellers]

the old witches' hat slide stop?

[JBP55]

Can anyone owning a Gen 5 with Ameriglo night sights post the width of the rear notch as well as the width of the front sight.

[JHC]

.

The Gen5 Glock starts at about 3 pounds and increases as the trigger moves rearward. It's a much different, and longer, feeling trigger pull compared to the VP9.

Threat management trigger!

[holmes168]

Another range trip this morning and 300 more rounds thru Gen 5 G19.
So far 0 malfunctions, 0 brass to face.
Round count:
Blazer Brass 115gr 150 rounds
Federal HST 147gr 50 rounds
Holmes Reloads 115gr 310 rounds
Total loads with zero issues- 510

I thought if anything my reloads could pose a problem- there were none. Slide locked back on every empty magazine. The ejection pattern went to the right and not backwards.
I think someone earlier asked about using older magazines- I brought 5 mags that I have had for a few years and there were no issues.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Some may recognize his name.

He writes for Small Arms Review magazine.

https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw

Just noticed you beat me to this, Chris Bartocci has an awesome youtube channel... discovered it a few months back. He is a wealth of information...

[Super77]

I have high hopes that these new Glocks will be everything we hope but I'm paying close attention to the ejection pattern/consistency. In Chris Bartocci's video here (https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw?t=1213) at 20:12 you can watch him fire a few mags through a Gen 5 G17. The ejection looks pretty consistent overall. However on the 8th shot fired in that first string I think I can see the ejection phenomenon described by vuurwapenblog here (https://youtu.be/wkHEdNx0Mk4?t=185) and TwangnBang here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAtSPHmgwU) where the case bounces off the slide near the breach face before clearing the ejection port and sort of bobbles out. I don't know if I'm seeing things or if it will have any affect on real-world performance if it's there. Supposedly these things are pretty reliable so maybe it doesn't matter but I'm not sure if Glock or the MHS testing committee factored BTF into their definition of reliability.

[GJM]

I have high hopes that these new Glocks will be everything we hope but I'm paying close attention to the ejection pattern/consistency. In Chris Bartocci's video here (https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw?t=1213) at 20:12 you can watch him fire a few mags through a Gen 5 G17. The ejection looks pretty consistent overall. However on the 8th shot fired in that first string I think I can see the ejection phenomenon described by vuurwapenblog here (https://youtu.be/wkHEdNx0Mk4?t=185) and TwangnBang here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAtSPHmgwU) where the case bounces off the slide near the breach face before clearing the ejection port and sort of bobbles out. I don't know if I'm seeing things or if it will have any affect on real-world performance if it's there. Supposedly these things are pretty reliable so maybe it doesn't matter but I'm not sure if Glock or the MHS testing committee factored BTF into their definition of reliability.

I think many are interested in how the Gen 5 pistols eject, and because the internet and the number of Glock pistols, folks will have them under a microscope. It would be interesting to put our other brands on slo mo film and watch them. Ammo obviously plays a part, and I wonder what he was shooting. Light ammo and a new RSA, especially one oriented to accuracy, could take a while to settle in. I have seen that with a number of new pistols of different brands.

[RJ]

Just noticed you beat me to this, Chris Bartocci has an awesome youtube channel... discovered it a few months back. He is a wealth of information...

I watched this last night. Very informative.

[LittleLebowski]

I would like to register my petty jealousy for those that have these already, thanks.

[RJ]

I think many are interested in how the Gen 5 pistols eject, and because the internet and the number of Glock pistols, folks will have them under a microscope. It would be interesting to put our other brands on slo mo film and watch them. Ammo obviously plays a part, and I wonder what he was shooting. Light ammo and a new RSA, especially one oriented to accuracy, could take a while to settle in. I have seen that with a number of new pistols of different brands.

Yes.

I may not be saying the right words, but has anyone performed the '1911 Ejection Test'? (As I understand this is shooting a single chambered round, on an empty magazine).

[holmes168]

I think many are interested in how the Gen 5 pistols eject, and because the internet and the number of Glock pistols, folks will have them under a microscope. It would be interesting to put our other brands on slo mo film and watch them. Ammo obviously plays a part, and I wonder what he was shooting. Light ammo and a new RSA, especially one oriented to accuracy, could take a while to settle in. I have seen that with a number of new pistols of different brands.

I am really looking forward to your review. I can only say that I have had zero problems so far, but am definitely not in your class as a shooter. I will be hitting refresh constantly on 9/1 waiting to see your thoughts.

[Dismas316]

I would encourage people to be very cautious about using a non-Gen5 slide stop in Gen5 gun. While it appears to work sitting on my bench and hand cycling it, the Gen5 locking block doesn't have that second pin through it that the slide stop spring acts against and instead just pushes against the locking block a little further back. As a result, people might get premature slide lock.

I replaced the gen 5 slide stop with the my gen 4 oem slide stop lever and trigger pin as you mentioned Tom. 200 rounds and worked perfectly, I will still test further but so far no slide lock induced from me with my support hand, and no premature slide lock. I also used the minus connector and again no issues. Tested with lyman guage after another 200 rounds and no difference, it seems that the stock connector is good to go, trigger pull is consistently in the 4.12 - 4.14 range for me.

Glock was introduced 36 years ago and I think they finally reached perfection. Not kidding, the accuracy of this gun for me is ridiculous. Whatever they did with the barrel, for me it's like shooting with a match grade barrel. It's so good for me that I really don't want to replace the crappy plastic sights because I am so perfectly dialed in. I really don't want to mess with them and may just put nail polish or something on them. The poa/poi for me is placing the dot on the target, not top edge of the front post. But I'm kind of used to that from my sigs so it works for me.

I am at best an avg. shooter. This is at 7 yards and I would never keep my groups in the small square. lucky to hit it even once normally. Even with my rmr it's challenge for me.
http://i.imgur.com/YsAWL5Q.jpg

This is about 22 yards that I walked off. I was drawing from concealment (aiwb, JMC 2.0) and consistently hitting the steel at around 2 sec. Again, with my rmr not sure I am any better, consistent or fast (at least for me). I loaded 2 mags with 10 rounds and hit 7/10, the first time, ant 8/10 the second. This just doesn't happen for me going that quick.

http://i.imgur.com/jmRgSLd.jpg

view from my iphone where I was shooting.

http://i.imgur.com/tCC4whT.jpg

I thought I over paid for this but I wouldn't hesitate to pay $1000 for this at this point. I own 10 sigs, which include legions, 226 tacops, 320's, other glocks and a shield and this gen 5 smokes them all without a doubt for me.

Tom please hurry and configure a gadget and I will request right now the first one off the assembly line. Happy to demo any as well. :D

I've spent a lot of money on my current 19 with milling an rmr, apex trigger kit, magwell, minus connector, trigger undercut. (see pic in post #50) By the way, the grooves seemed to eliminate that need for me as I have no issues with glock knuckle. This stock pistol is perfectly good to go for me. (sights at this point is optional)

[Grey]

Thanks for the write up Dismas. As much as I don't want a glock I might pick up a 19 as I have been wanting to RMR a pistol for a while. Wish they had paddle mag release...

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Yes.

I may not be saying the right words, but has anyone performed the '1911 Ejection Test'? (As I understand this is shooting a single chambered round, on an empty magazine).

I don't think many factory Glock's will pass this test...

[holmes168]

Hey all, when it comes to holsters, we have been setting up our molds for the past month and half to accept the ambi slide release. It is officially up on the site now that the 17 and 19 fit the Gen 5. If for some reason you received a holster in the last month and half that doesn't have the channel for ambi slide release, let me know and I will send you a return label to get that fixed. If you want to send in your holster that is older than that, send it with $15.00 in the box for me to cover return shipping and the quick mod, and we can modify it to accept the Gen 5. Of course this only applies to the 17 or 19.

Thanks

Ordered another IWB3, this time for G19! It's my birthday present from my wife. I'm building up quite a JMCK collection- best holsters ever.

Also- Ameriglo CAP sights as an upgrade on the stocks. Almost got the Spartan but changed at last minute.

[CDFIII]

I ran another 200rds. through my Gen.5 19 today. It will not pass the 1911 test and I also got 2 BTF today. One about 75rds. in with AE 124gr fmj. Happened on rd. 14 in a fully loaded mag. The second happened with a box of UMC 115gr. fmj either the 7th or 8th rd. out of a fully loaded mag. I also ran 75 rds. of Fed HST 124gr. End of the 2nd range trip and I am 545rds. into it and have this nice little cut on my pinky from the crescent shaped mag cut out. that thing is razor sharp... I knocked it down last night with some sand paper but it really hasn't helped much.

[RJ]

I don't think many factory Glock's will pass this test...

I guess you are right, but it'd be interesting to see some Gen 5 samples tested.

From what I understand, the extractor design is basically the same as previous models.

A SCD-equipped G5G19 is definitely on my short list of future 'one size fits all' pistols for both CCW and USPSA use.

[MSparks909]

To those with G5s and a trigger pull gauge...can you measure the pull weight in the middle of the trigger where the trigger drop safety pivots? That's where my finger rests when pulling so I'd be interested to see what it measures at that spot as opposed to the bottom of the trigger where the most leverage is. Thanks!

[JHC]

To those with G5s and a trigger pull gauge...can you measure the pull weight in the middle of the trigger where the trigger drop safety pivots? That's where my finger rests when pulling so I'd be interested to see what it measures at that spot as opposed to the bottom of the trigger where the most leverage is. Thanks!

I handled two Gen 5 G19s today at Sharpshooters in Alpharetta, GA. They had a big stack of 19s avail for $619. No 17's left. I judged the trigger on those pretty similar in overall weight and characteristics to a Gen 4. I do have pretty crude trigger senses though.

[runngun]

Is the Vickers floor plate compatible with the Gen5?

[Totem Polar]

Apropos of not much, but, some of these prices I'm hearing here are steep. The place that did the reveal in my area had plastic sight 17s and 19s for $569.

(Tom, you're still my hero.)

[Dismas316]

To those with G5s and a trigger pull gauge...can you measure the pull weight in the middle of the trigger where the trigger drop safety pivots? That's where my finger rests when pulling so I'd be interested to see what it measures at that spot as opposed to the bottom of the trigger where the most leverage is. Thanks!

I measure mine from that point and pull a little bit of a slight angle and mine measures consistently right under 5lbs

[Willard]

Is the Vickers floor plate compatible with the Gen5?

Supposedly, it is the same magazine body, but a different follower and floor plate. See about 9:13 in the previously cited Chris Bartocci video where he cites a mold code of 1587-01 on both https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw. So Vickers floor plate would be compatible.

[El Cid]

Supposedly, it is the same magazine body, but a different follower and floor plate. See about 9:13 in the previously cited Chris Bartocci video where he cites a mold code of 1587-01 on both https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw. So Vickers floor plate would be compatible.

They are the same body. The only change is the color of the follower and the extended floor plate.

[Xhado]

Supposedly, it is the same magazine body, but a different follower and floor plate. See about 9:13 in the previously cited Chris Bartocci video where he cites a mold code of 1587-01 on both https://youtu.be/-9erZOL7RCw. So Vickers floor plate would be compatible.

I believe hes asking if the base plates interfere with the Gen5 magwell.

[ScotchMan]

Do previous generation magazines work in the Gen5?
Does the SCD still work in the Gen5?
Is anyone worried that the trigger seems to have been redesigned in some way and there is no track record?

I want to be excited but I'm really worried about the answers to the above questions.

[Larry Sellers]

Do previous generation magazines work in the Gen5?
Does the SCD still work in the Gen5?
Is anyone worried that the trigger seems to have been redesigned in some way and there is no track record?

I want to be excited but I'm really worried about the answers to the above questions.

yes, previous mag generations work, current SCD does not.

[holmes168]

Tom- have you taken it out to the range yet?

[BigT]

Tomorrow. :)


Is tomorrow the new "Soon TM"

:)

[RJ]

Is tomorrow the new "Soon TM"

:)

I see I wasn't the only one thinking that lol.

[RichY]

I went to the local gun store/range for the Reveal Day for the new gen. 5 Glock 19 and 17. I shot both pistols, as did my wife, then I shot just the 19 a second time. Here's a summary of our range time:

Pros:

-probably irrelevant, but we both liked the new finish

-I liked not having the finger grooves

-the best factory trigger Glock has ever put on a pistol. We both preferred it to our gen. 4 19's that have (-) connectors and a $0.25 trigger job. The gen. 5's felt smoother, lighter, and seemed to have slightly shorter resets.

-most, but not all, of the lateral wobble is gone. It's at least a 75% improvement, maybe more.

-both pistols were accurate, though not any better than my old gen. 3 or my best gen. 4.

-we both liked the beveling on the muzzle end of the slide. It may make bolstering a tad easier, and, subjectively, we thought it was aesthetically pleasing.

Cons:

-it does not pass the extraction test. I tried it four times on the 19 and it failed three times.

-it still has plastic sights

-while the flared magazine well looks good, I could tell no difference in performance from other generations. Glocks are pretty easy to make fast speed reloads.

-it still points high, so no changes in the grip angle.

-while accurate, my P10c's are more accurate, as is my wife's 2.0

-the trigger is terrific for an out-of-the-box Glock (VERY useable), but it's not as good as a host of competitor pistols such as the VP9, PPQ, P10c, P-07, etc. We came away thinking Glock was competing with its previous generations, rather than market competitors.

-while the follower and floor plate have both been changed, the magazine tube length is the same, so downloading one round will still probably be wise.

-maybe it's the way the new front strap is changed by the trigger guard, but the bone on the middle finger of my shooting hand was really pounded (Glock knuckle). I had no desire to shoot it any longer. The area being pounded hurt worse than some recent surgery (not joking!). The RSO told me he had the same issues with the new pistol. Due to the new design, I'm not sure this will be as easy to rectify as on my gen. 4 19's. For whatever reason, this did not happen to me on the 17.

We're it not for the "Glock knuckle", or whatever term you want to use, I thought the new pistols were a significant improvement over the previous generations. Neither of us had any issues with the cutout on the front strap, as others have noted, but as of now, I will not be getting one. I never got the Glock knuckle on any previous Glock pistols I've shot/owned, so this issue was somewhat surprising, so when I combine that with the failure to pass the extraction test, I'll pass for now on the gen. 5's. I went in to the store wanting to walk out with a new 19, so I think I was as objective as possible in my evaluation.

[MGW]

I'm sure it's here somewhere but can someone tell me how wide the front sight and rear notch is on the Ameriglos? I'm going to get on the waiting list for a blue label 17. Not sure if I want the Ameriglos or not. I really like the T-Cap front.

[SteveB]

We came away thinking Glock was competing with its previous generations, rather than market competitors.

This is the most insightful comment I've read in this thread. I've shot a lot of Glocks over the years and still have a pile of them, but, to me, this is still all about the grip angle. You may love it, tolerate it or hate it, but you no longer have to settle for it; there is a lot of quality competition in this market niche. It isn't 1985 anymore.

[JHC]

This is the most insightful comment I've read in this thread. I've shot a lot of Glocks over the years and still have a pile of them, but, to me, this is still all about the grip angle. You may love it, tolerate it or hate it, but you no longer have to settle for it; there is a lot of quality competition in this market niche. It isn't 1985 anymore.

Exactly and that's what shooters should do. Go to the grip angle that floats your boat. If you are seeking a 1911 type trigger, pick a pistol built to have one, and don't bugger up a Glock with spring kits like the one referred to in another active thread that may have defeated the drop safety of the pistol.

My quibble over the insightfulness of Glock competing with itself vs fully tensioned SFA gun is the Glock trigger and fire control design probably shouldn't compete with the lighter, shorter, "easier" to shoot SFA guns.

All the reasons why not having been hashed out in EL's thread. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27185-Semi-Auto-Triggers-market-trends-choices-and-consequences

[holmes168]

This is the most insightful comment I've read in this thread. I've shot a lot of Glocks over the years and still have a pile of them, but, to me, this is still all about the grip angle. You may love it, tolerate it or hate it, but you no longer have to settle for it; there is a lot of quality competition in this market niche. It isn't 1985 anymore.

I don't think they do try to compete against others. I've shot the PpQ and own VP9's. The stock Glock trigger and their safety system are much better than either for me. I like the VP9 but the trigger is so light it makes me a bit worried. IMO after 500 rounds- the new Gen 5 G19 is the best option on the market. I still have a thousand or so rounds to confirm but I'm thrilled with the Gen 5.

[RAM Engineer]

Cons:

-it does not pass the extraction test. I tried it four times on the 19 and it failed three times.


This is a test for 1911s. A non-1911's inability to pass it has no bearing.



-it still has plastic sights


Maybe the guns YOU shot, but it comes in other configurations. Most of us will be changing them anyway. Dovetail fillers is an apt description.



-it still points high, so no changes in the grip angle.


Guns point where they point. If it points high for you or low for you, you need to adjust your aim. There is no such thing as a gun that point right where 100% of shooters THINK it should with a neutral grip.

[RichY]

This is a test for 1911s. A non-1911's inability to pass it has no bearing.

I respectfully disagree. The gen.4's we had that failed this test all ended up giving us btf, but when the Apex extractor and non-loci spring loaded bearing were installed, btf went away AND the pistols passed the test every time. A relative and a good friend, all active shooters, have experienced the same improvements noted above after installing the Apex extractor, and I believe a lot of us here were hoping this would be the number one issue Glock would have addressed.



Maybe the guns YOU shot, but it comes in other configurations. Most of us will be changing them anyway. Dovetail fillers is an apt description.

My point is that all the models available to shoot had plastic sights, whereas we had been lead to believe they would have steel sights. Not a big issue for us, merely an observation of what was available on Reveal Day.


Guns point where they point. If it points high for you or low for you, you need to adjust your aim. There is no such thing as a gun that point right where 100% of shooters THINK it should with a neutral grip.

You are absolutely correct, but when your wife has rheumatoid arthritis in her fingers and wrists, adjusting your aim, or more appropriately, your grip, may not be an option available to you any longer. Something for healthy shooters to consider when dealing with shooters with disabilities they wish they didn't have.

[gtae07]

The gen.4's we had that failed this test all ended up giving us btf, but when the Apex extractor and non-loci spring loaded bearing were installed, btf went away AND the pistols passed the test every time. A relative and a good friend, all active shooters, have experienced the same improvements noted above after installing the Apex extractor, and I believe a lot of us here were hoping this would be the number one issue Glock would have addressed..

Maybe I'm just lucky but we've never had the BTF issue with about 1000 rounds on my wife's stock 19.4 and 100+ on mine. The only time I've ever seen it was on the range rental P320 my wife tried out in February; three out of three to the face and she was done.

Also, what's behind the widespread hate for the stock plastic sights? Do they just get chewed up after a while, and that's what people don't like?

I might be looking at a Gen 5 when we go shopping for a 17 around Christmas but we'll see. I don't have a problem with our Gen 4 19s right now and I don't need to spend any more cash at the moment...

[JBP55]

This is a test for 1911s. A non-1911's inability to pass it has no bearing.



Maybe the guns YOU shot, but it comes in other configurations. Most of us will be changing them anyway. Dovetail fillers is an apt description.



Guns point where they point. If it points high for you or low for you, you need to adjust your aim. There is no such thing as a gun that point right where 100% of shooters THINK it should with a neutral grip.

My thoughts exactly.

[CS Tactical]

I guess you are right, but it'd be interesting to see some Gen 5 samples tested.

From what I understand, the extractor design is basically the same as previous models.

A SCD-equipped G5G19 is definitely on my short list of future 'one size fits all' pistols for both CCW and USPSA use.


The extractor is redesigned and looks closer to the Apex FRE extractor from what I've seen online so far.

[holmes168]

I had a quick range trip this morning and shot the Gen5 G19 side-by-side with a CZ P10 C and SD9 (and a S&W 43c). No issues to report. Strong ejection, no BTF. The lack of finger grooves was more of a boon than expected (since they never bothered me on a Gen4) -- my grip just seemed stronger and more secure without them. I noticed this during dry-fire over the past couple of days and as expected it carried over to live fire. I didn't notice the cutout on the front of the grip at all, but I wear a size 8 glove and didn't expect it to be an issue.

Trigger, in my opinion, is fantastic. Clean rolling break with no discernible wall. It was easier to shoot than the P10C (which was also nice, but has a more typical Glock trigger feel) or SD9 (duh). I'm impressed. I look forward to the rest of the Glock line going Gen5 -- especially MOS models.

Funny on the finger grooves comment. I never knew how much I disliked them until the Gen 5

[GRV]

Trigger, in my opinion, is fantastic. Clean rolling break with no discernible wall.

Can you compare how it feels to the Gen4? Are you saying that you don't feel the point where the trigger bar makes contact with the connector?

[dcf1981]

Is the Vickers floor plate compatible with the Gen5?

Yes, the Vickers floor plate works. At least on the 17 Gen5, I did not try on the 19 Gen5 yet but I don't see why not. The floor plates sit below the bottom edge of the magwell/base of pistol grip.

[JHC]

Funny on the finger grooves comment. I never knew how much I disliked them until the Gen 5

Funnier still! Two Gen 2 19s were my first 9mm Glocks. Shot them for a few years. Moved into Gen 3's, then added Gen 4's. Was never conscious of the grooves in shooting. Never perceive them during the grip. Gripping the Gen 5, it just felt like any G19 to me. I didn't really perceive the lack of the grooves. Probably might be related to rather thin long fingers maybe.

[blues]

Funnier still! Two Gen 2 19s were my first 9mm Glocks. Shot them for a few years. Moved into Gen 3's, then added Gen 4's. Was never conscious of the grooves in shooting. Never perceive them during the grip. Gripping the Gen 5, it just felt like any G19 to me. I didn't really perceive the lack of the grooves. Probably might be related to rather thin long fingers maybe.

Oddly enough, having come from the Gen 2 G19 myself, I actually was shocked to find that I liked (and shot better with) the Gen 3 frame when mine was replaced under warranty recently. Live and learn.

At the rate my Blue Label dealer is moving, when I finally get my hands on the new Gen 4 G26 I asked him to pick up for me...the Gen 5's will probably be out. :rolleyes:

[Sensei]

I picked up a Gen 5 19 and 17 from my LGS. Price was $560+ tax. I just finished a quick range session of 50 rounds of 124 grain AE through each. The range of was closing in 10 min so that's all the time I had.

Bottom line:
1) Accuracy on par with my other glocks; maybe a hair better.
2) No BTF with the G17 but one round rolled off the slide onto my forearm.
3) At least 1 BTF (actually top of my forehead) per mag with the G19.
4) The grip cut out on the G19 was a real distraction. By the end of each mag it was cutting into my 5th finger.

Overall, I like the G17; will dump the 19.

[TiroFijo]

Funnier still! Two Gen 2 19s were my first 9mm Glocks. Shot them for a few years. Moved into Gen 3's, then added Gen 4's. Was never conscious of the grooves in shooting. Never perceive them during the grip. Gripping the Gen 5, it just felt like any G19 to me. I didn't really perceive the lack of the grooves. Probably might be related to rather thin long fingers maybe.

I tried a Gen 2 long ago... don't even remember what it felt like.
I like the Gen 3 G17/19 , and also the Gen 4. Never had a problem with them, the reliability, acuracy, trigger, the grip texture or the finger grooves (I have relatively long thin fingers). The G19 grip is a bit short for me. Actually I kinda like the minor simplicity edge of the Gen 3 over the 4.

Do you feel there is something worth the change in this new Gen 5?

[Sensei]

On second thought, I might try sanding the grip cutout on the G19 and giving it another 50 rounds. I think that it's the sharp edge causing the problem.

[JHC]

I tried a Gen 2 long ago... don't even remember what it felt like.
I like the Gen 3 G17/19 , and also the Gen 4. Never had a problem with them, the reliability, acuracy, trigger, the grip texture or the finger grooves (I have relatively long thin fingers). The G19 grip is a bit short for me. Actually I kinda like the minor simplicity edge of the Gen 3 over the 4.

Do you feel there is something worth the change in this new Gen 5?

Well I've only handled two 19s for a few minutes. But with 7 of my own Gen 3 and 4 guns that share most parts and 7 more amongst the grown family, I don't at this time.

Edit: And it's not because there is much swapping parts. But there is a tackle box full of springs, connectors, spare extractors etc etc. KKM barrels in a few. That sort of thing.

[holmes168]

I tried a Gen 2 long ago... don't even remember what it felt like.
I like the Gen 3 G17/19 , and also the Gen 4. Never had a problem with them, the reliability, acuracy, trigger, the grip texture or the finger grooves (I have relatively long thin fingers). The G19 grip is a bit short for me. Actually I kinda like the minor simplicity edge of the Gen 3 over the 4.

Do you feel there is something worth the change in this new Gen 5?

If you are set with past Gen's probably not. I was not though so the Gen 5 was perfect for me.

[holmes168]

Can you compare how it feels to the Gen4? Are you saying that you don't feel the point where the trigger bar makes contact with the connector?

For the non technical explanation IMO- the Gen 4 had a crunchy trigger. The words I used are crunchy and sponge like. Just during the trigger pull it didn't feel "good.
However- the Gen 5 is a completely smooth pull. One good motion with no issues. It's like a sturdy VP9- not as light, but very smooth.
Best comparison I can think of is my running shoes. The VP9 are lightweight running shoes that people like. However- I like a sturdier and heavier Asics running shoe bc I feel like it gives me better support. Hope that helps as I am sure there are people who can give plenty of detailed technical explanations.

[GJM]

For the non technical explanation IMO- the Gen 4 had a crunchy trigger. The words I used are crunchy and sponge like. Just during the trigger pull it didn't feel "good.
However- the Gen 5 is a completely smooth pull. One good motion with no issues. It's like a sturdy VP9- not as light, but very smooth.
Best comparison I can think of is my running shoes. The VP9 are lightweight running shoes that people like. However- I like a sturdier and heavier Asics running shoe bc I feel like it gives me better support. Hope that helps as I am sure there are people who can give plenty of detailed technical explanations.

To put a finer point on this, I think you mean your Gen 4 and your Gen 5, given there is so much variation in individual Glock triggers that generalizing your trigger to all of a Gen doesn't always work.

[LSP552]

To put a finer point on this, I think you mean your Gen 4 and your Gen 5, given there is so much variation in individual Glock triggers that generalizing your trigger to all of a Gen doesn't always work.

Two of the "best" stock Glock triggers I own are a Gen 4 26 and Gen 4 19. These are factory "-" and stock springs, like all of my carry Glocks.

[CK1]

Really excited about the no-finger-grooves G19, and good Ameriglos out of the box... That said, I was an early adopter with the Gen4's and got burned, and while most say they're reliable now, I've never encountered a Gen4 9mm gun throw brass or run as reliably as my 2007ish Gen3's and the videos I've seen thus far of the Gen5's are still making me weary (seen some running fine, but a bunch of BTF and brass dribbling out... which never happens with my older guns).... Hope the reports check out that the Gen5's are GTG...

[Mjolnir]

The VP9 has pre-travel that measure at about 1.5 pounds, then a short wall at 4.5 or so making it feel like a short light trigger. The Gen5 Glock starts at about 3 pounds and increases as the trigger moves rearward. It's a much different, and longer, feeling trigger pull compared to the VP9.

Kinda sorta like an "STRIKER-FIRED LEM"?

My P10C is SORTA like that. There is a slight wall - noticeable but not pronounced - then it "ROLLS" (increase pressure and the trigger moves, then releases the firing pin).

Sounds like a proper "Threat Management" Trigger; kinda like a heavier NY1 with "-" connector???


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[RJ]

Kinda sorta like an "STRIKER-FIRED LEM"?



It's funny, but Dry practicing my VP9 and my P30SK LEM, back to back the other day, it was weird how similar they felt (if you allow for the fact the VP9 travel is 0.24" and the LEM is about 1".)

But back to the Gen 5 Glock reviews. Interesting stuff.

[RJ]

The extractor is redesigned and looks closer to the Apex FRE extractor from what I've seen online so far.

Could be. I'm no gunsmith, I was only trying to understand whether the basic geometry of the Glock G5 extractor design was the same as the G4 (as in, an extractor held in place by a fore and aft spring along the RSA axis), and apparently it is.

It would be interesting to have someone compare / contrast the two designs, given the history of BTF and weak ejections reported by some Glock owners.

[CS Tactical]

There appears to only be very minimal changes in the Gen5 extractor compared to a fairly recent (within the last year) extractor from a Gen4 19 MOS (which is what I have handy at my desk). It looks to me like those very minimal changes have do do with the new firing pin block geometry. Having said that. I've never seen an Apex FRE extractor and maybe it only has very minimal appearing, but operationally significant, differences.


This maybe true, I was only going off the video where it has similarity in he way it's shaped from under the slide. I can't find a pic of the Apex extractor at that same angle and I need to take the pic myself to compare, this weekend was way too busy for me to do so :cool:

[Gio]

This thread had grown 18 pages since I last looked, but a few observations to add having a decent amount of time on a 19M now:

1. The scallop cutout on the front strap annoys me more when I'm drawing the gun, but really doesn't bother me shooting. I tend to have a higher/forward/more aggressive grip than most though and torque my elbows outward which puts pressure into the gun higher up on the grip. My pinky doesn't really bite down into the scallop as a result.

2. If I run the extended slide release levers, I will lock the slide open mid-magazine. Using the standard slide release, even though it's thicker than the gen4, made these issues go away. If you have a problem with this, you can also try different backstrap sizes which will position your hand differently on the gun.

3. The ameriglo sights come in both a .140 and a .125 front sight width and a .159 rear notch width.

[JSGlock34]

I predict a great deal of aftermarket GEN5 slide release levers in an assortment of lengths and combinations (and MHS safety levers when that hits the market). I'm sure TangoDown is already at work on a Vickers branded one...

[holmes168]

To put a finer point on this, I think you mean your Gen 4 and your Gen 5, given there is so much variation in individual Glock triggers that generalizing your trigger to all of a Gen doesn't always work.

That's correct- just talking thru my opinion on the trigger from my own pistols. Every pistol is probably a bit different in its own way.

[Beat Trash]

Oddly enough, having come from the Gen 2 G19 myself, I actually was shocked to find that I liked (and shot better with) the Gen 3 frame when mine was replaced under warranty recently. Live and learn.

At the rate my Blue Label dealer is moving, when I finally get my hands on the new Gen 4 G26 I asked him to pick up for me...the Gen 5's will probably be out. :rolleyes:

I'm very interested in looking at a Blue Label Gen5 Glock 17.

With that said, my Gen4 Glock 26 isn't going to be replaced for a while. I think you'll be happy with yours. When it finally shows up...

[Sensei]

I used sandpaper, heat stick, and a drimmel to remove and smooth the sharp edges from the G19's grip cutout. That should help a good bit with comfort. I'm still not liking the erratic ejection and BTF that I was getting at least once per mag with the G19, but a few more boxes are needed to see if it is likely to persist. As for trigger weight, I'm getting ~4.5 lbs at the tip and ~6 lbs at or just below the safety pivot.

[CDFIII]

I used sandpaper, heat stick, and a drimmel to remove and smooth the sharp edges from the G19's grip cutout. That should help a good bit with comfort. I'm still not liking the erratic ejection and BTF that I was getting at least once per mag with the G19, but a few more boxes are needed to see if it is likely to persist. As for trigger weight, I'm getting ~4.5 lbs at the tip and ~6 lbs at or just below the safety pivot.
I worked on my cut out as well. I basically smoothed out the flare on each edge and contoured it inward. Seems to help but I won't really know till I put more rounds through it.
I am also seeing some BTF and erratic ejection on my 19. Some going straight up and over my head and 2-3 so far straight to the dome. All my ammunition so far has been 124 and 147gr. Minus the one box of UMC 115gr. Rd count so far is just a bit over 500. I hope it straightens itself out because I personally don't have the greatest track record with 19's.

[JHC]

I've encountered two shooters with a lot of experience across multiple SFA platforms who report the 17 triggers being markedly smoother and rolling than the 19.

Have others noticed that pattern?

[jeep45238]

I've also noticed a lot more erratic ejection reports with the 19 here....


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[M2CattleCo]

I was really excited about these, but the same 'ol ejection and the front strap scallop more than kill it for me.

If I get the itch to do another 17K, I may pick up a Gen5. When they do the 34s I'll be interested, but for now, I'm cold on the Gen5.

[holmes168]

I've also noticed a lot more erratic ejection reports with the 19 here....


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I've had no brass to face or issues with the ejection from my Gen 5 G19.

[EJO]

I'm sure it's here somewhere but can someone tell me how wide the front sight and rear notch is on the Ameriglos? I'm going to get on the waiting list for a blue label 17. Not sure if I want the Ameriglos or not. I really like the T-Cap front.

Keep in mind my calipers are not very expensive but this gives you a good idea. Also, when I ordered from my blue label dealer there was no option for different Ameriglo sights, just the one. Have said that I really, really like these sights and I normally prefer a .125 wide front with a .130 rear notch. I've never been a fan of the wider sights but these worked very well for me today.

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[EJO]

270 rounds of Blazer Aluminum today with zero stoppages. No BTF, highly accurate and the best damn trigger I've ever felt on a Glock, with the exception of my Glock 43. I've always been extremely impressed with my 43 trigger. Of course it has a lot more rounds through it.

I've always been a fan of the 17 and this one is no different. It's been a long time since I've run a gen2 Glock and I forgot how much I like a smooth front strap. I wear size medium PIG gloves so obviously no problem with the cut out, plus it's a 17 and I've heard no complaints about the cut out on the 17. Accuracy was very good and I believe I could squeeze out some really tight groups with a pair of Heinie or Dawson sights on it. Don't really know what else to add that hasn't already been said.

[Trukinjp13]

This gives me the itch to try a g19 again. I wish it came with the front serrations. Not really for press checking. But i simply like the looks of glocks with fs.


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[Sensei]

I've encountered two shooters with a lot of experience across multiple SFA platforms who report the 17 triggers being markedly smoother and rolling than the 19.

Have others noticed that pattern?


I just spent the last half hour alternating between my 17 and 19 in dry fire. There is no appreciable difference to me. If I had to pick which one I thought was "better", I'd say the 19 but only marginally (maybe even imaginarily) so.

No significant difference between my G17 an G19 trigger pulls.

[azerious]

Will the gen4 Apex extractor work in the Gen5s?

[Sero Sed Serio]

I've encountered two shooters with a lot of experience across multiple SFA platforms who report the 17 triggers being markedly smoother and rolling than the 19.

Have others noticed that pattern?

Sample size of one and all, but the 17 I handled had a drastically better trigger than the 19 I handled.

In fairness, my experience with Glocks has been that the quality of trigger pull can vary greatly from gun to gun, so I chalked it up to that particular 17 having a significantly better trigger than that particular 19. I would not have been surprised if the opposite had been true.

[holmes168]

so....

my LE-only gun store has them in, but cannot sell them until the 30th.


What time does the store open?

[PensFan]

Will the gen4 Apex extractor work in the Gen5s?

Doubtful because of the design of the firing pin safety in the Gen5

[Jim Watson]

I handled a G17 Gen 5 yesterday. I did not shoot it, because it did not strike me as worth the rental fee and range ammo price.
I like the grip texture, the frontstrap notch does not fall under my right pinkie but I can feel it with the left in a hasty grip. Not likely to affect the shooting.

Except for the grip texture the gun is not discernably improved over my Gen 1 and the trigger pull of the one I saw is much tougher than that STOCK Gen 1.

[Gray222]

What time does the store open?

About an hour before this photo was posted...

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[holmes168]

About an hour before this photo was posted...

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Standing by for range reports- and since I've had to travel to help another terminal out- I need to some good news today

[Lyonsgrid]

voodoo_man... looks like you got one of each. I like your style sir.

[MSparks909]

So let me get this straight...there are two Ameriglo Gen 5 options? One with a .140 front sight and one with a .125 front sight? Even though I'm a hammer dude, I'm still gonna pick up a 19 and a 17 because they are the world's universal handgun and I can find mags and other accessories at my local hardware store...

With that said, I want whatever I buy to be as turn-key as possible. I want the .125 front width Ameriglo's on the 19 and 17 when I do buy them. What part numbers am I looking for?

[FNFAN]

So let me get this straight...there are two Ameriglo Gen 5 options? One with a .140 front sight and one with a .125 front sight? Even though I'm a hammer dude, I'm still gonna pick up a 19 and a 17 because they are the world's universal handgun and I can find mags and other accessories at my local hardware store...

With that said, I want whatever I buy to be as turn-key as possible. I want the .125 front width Ameriglo's on the 19 and 17 when I do buy them. What part numbers am I looking for?

Right there with ya! My 19 is enroute and I'm looking for the narrow front U notch sights.

[Gray222]

voodoo_man... looks like you got one of each. I like your style sir.

Life is too short for what if's.


So let me get this straight...there are two Ameriglo Gen 5 options? One with a .140 front sight and one with a .125 front sight? Even though I'm a hammer dude, I'm still gonna pick up a 19 and a 17 because they are the world's universal handgun and I can find mags and other accessories at my local hardware store...

With that said, I want whatever I buy to be as turn-key as possible. I want the .125 front width Ameriglo's on the 19 and 17 when I do buy them. What part numbers am I looking for?

I looked at the 19/17 with Ameriglos and they were the same that I had originally gotten, so I believe they are all the .125/.120 front.

I am waiting for some confirmation on the FBI and bold sights before I post my completed review of both sights, all the measurements will be there when I post it.

[Gio]

I have two different sets of these Ameriglo sights and one is .140" front width and one is .125". I'm not sure how you could specify which ones you get from Glock at this point, or if both options are even publicly available.

[Jay585]

So when is it available for the public to purchase? I thought I heard August 30th...

[Sensei]

So when is it available for the public to purchase? I thought I heard August 30th...

I bought mine 2 days ago from a LGS...

[Kyle Reese]

I'm taking delivery of my 17 Gen 5 on Friday....

[JBP55]

I'm taking delivery of my 17 Gen 5 on Friday....

Same here.

[Gray222]

I have two different sets of these Ameriglo sights and one is .140" front width and one is .125". I'm not sure how you could specify which ones you get from Glock at this point, or if both options are even publicly available.

just for clarification...

you bought two gen5 glocks and they had different front sight widths?

[EJO]

So let me get this straight...there are two Ameriglo Gen 5 options? One with a .140 front sight and one with a .125 front sight? Even though I'm a hammer dude, I'm still gonna pick up a 19 and a 17 because they are the world's universal handgun and I can find mags and other accessories at my local hardware store...

With that said, I want whatever I buy to be as turn-key as possible. I want the .125 front width Ameriglo's on the 19 and 17 when I do buy them. What part numbers am I looking for?

My blue label dealer who covers six states out here in the west only has one option when it comes to the Ameriglo sights. I just got off the phone with him and he said only the one option and nothing else. So, maybe Glock is shipping with two different front sight widths? I find that highly doubtful but what do I know...

On a side note he said sales are spectacular. Their current schedule from Glock is 200 a week 😳 He didn't say how many of each but dayum that's a lot of Glock gen5's.

[BehindBlueI's]

I had the chance to handle a 19. While I like the 17, I don't like the cut out on the 19. If I decide I need a smaller Glock at some point, it'll probably be a cut 17.

[dwcopple]

I just don't understand why when they OBVIOUSLY had to mold a new frame casting, why the hell didn't they match the front nose of the frame (bevel) to the new slide bevel? Is there no one working in aesthetics at Glock? Must not be.

[EJO]

I just don't understand why when they OBVIOUSLY had to mold a new frame casting, why the hell didn't they match the front nose of the frame (bevel) to the new slide bevel? Is there no one working in aesthetics at Glock? Must not be.

You know it can be done. They do it on the gen4 26


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[EJO]

Re: sights, here is a photo of the markings on my front and rear sight. The front sight is definitely a .150 width

The rear notch is at least .160 possibly .169, my calipers aren't the best.

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[MSparks909]

So this happened today:

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Was driving back home from an out of town trip and decided to stop at one of the big gun stores on the way...and go figure they had about ~40 Gen 5s in stock. Held the Ameriglo 19 first, dry fired it and then held and dry fired the 17...and they both came home with me. Happened to have 150 rounds in the truck and on the way home I stopped by the local range and ran a quick 75 rounds through each. Just enough to give me an initial impression. Both guns ejected perfectly, with no BTF at all. Ejection was very consistent between each gun. Nice rainbow arc over/to the right of my right shoulder. Success!

Next, how do they shoot? Quite well! I appreciate the rolling break trigger. Easier to run fast and less likely to snatch it during slowfire. It feels kind of like a TTI connector in a Gen 3/4 but better. And it comes stock this way. I had no issues with premature lockback or any failures to lock open after the last round fired due to my grip, which is something that has happened to me even with the stock slide release levers on the Gen 3/4 guns.

I like the sights a good bit. I'll stick a caliper on the sights but the front sure doesn't seem like a .125W. It seems wider to my eyes.

Shot 2" dots at 5Y with each. Pretty easy to keep them in the dots. Shot every .5-1 second. Shot the Super Test with each gun. Mind you, I haven't really shot a Glock in practice or in training in well over a year. Shot a 285 with the G19 and a 288 with the G17. I know I can definitely improve on each once I figure out the hold for each pair of sights. The 19 seems more "drive the dot" where the 17 seems to hit at the top of the front sight blade. I'll experiment more in the coming months.

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Why did I buy these? I think every gun nut like we are should own at least 1 Glock. Like it or not, they are America's handgun, much like the 1911 is (every gun enthusiast also needs at least 1 .45 1911 just because). I don't hate Glock. I've just has less than stellar experiences with the Gen 3 and Gen 4s I've owned over the years. These G5s with the Ameriglo's are also turn key for me. No BTF? Check. Better trigger? Check. No finger grooves? Check. High visibility night sights? Check.

My first gun was a Gen 2 G23. I've had Glocks in my safe ever since I started shooting and I'll always have at least a few in there. I may be predominantly a TDA guy, but like GJM I do enjoy owning and shooting a variety of weapons. Just makes me happy. So far I'm impressed with these G5s. I'll likely do a 2,000 round challenge with one but that won't be until later this fall. I'll probably get each gun to 500 rounds to see if any ejection issues arise and once Tom_Jones gets the G5 Gadgets to market I might carry the 19 for a few months to see how I like it.

[Gray222]

Visual comparison post on my site (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/visual-comparison-gen3-gen4-gen5-glock.html), just the slide/barrel...

http://i.imgur.com/ppr7uAJ.jpg (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/visual-comparison-gen3-gen4-gen5-glock.html)

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[JBP55]

Sounds as if Glock is still offering the Meprolight NS set with a .125 front as well as the Ameriglo set with a .150 front.

[holmes168]

Visual comparison post on my site (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/visual-comparison-gen3-gen4-gen5-glock.html), just the slide/barrel...

http://i.imgur.com/ppr7uAJ.jpg (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/visual-comparison-gen3-gen4-gen5-glock.html)

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Great pics on the webpage. Looking forward to the rest of your reviews.

[holmes168]

MSparks909
Can you send a good snapshot of the sights? I had ordered some CAP sights but changed my mind. My lgs has ameriglo sights for the Gen 5- I'm thinking I might get those and try them out. Just hoping to be able to compare pics. Glad you like the Gen 5 so far.

[Gray222]

Great pics on the webpage. Looking forward to the rest of your reviews.

Thanks. Won't be a review for some time. Maybe I'll do a big gen4 review as I've got a lot of time on it.

I'll be posting experiences with the gen5's as I see them.

[M2CattleCo]

I just don't understand why when they OBVIOUSLY had to mold a new frame casting, why the hell didn't they match the front nose of the frame (bevel) to the new slide bevel? Is there no one working in aesthetics at Glock? Must not be.

They wanted the 34 to look better since it's the best Glock.:cool:

[EJO]

Sounds as if Glock is still offering the Meprolight NS set with a .125 front as well as the Ameriglo set with a .150 front.

I have never seen Meps that were .125 in width. Current factory Glock Meprolight front sights measure .155 in width.

[El Cid]

On a side note he said sales are spectacular. Their current schedule from Glock is 200 a week 😳 He didn't say how many of each but dayum that's a lot of Glock gen5's.
Glad y'all are buying them vigorously. I'm waiting until they sell them in tan, OD, etc. lol! This way I'll be able to find them since folks are getting their fixes now.

[azerious]

Picked mine up today. Decided with a stock sight one for $425 after checking out the NS model ($485). for the extra $60 i can get some Hackathorn sights that are much better for me. Also, probably in my head, but the NS pistol had a significantly tighter magwell than the non NS model I purchased. Mags would not drop free, and inserting it made the mags hang up. Could be in my head but it was noticeable. Also the NS are Glock branded and no other markings FWIW

[Trukinjp13]

Picked mine up today. Decided with a stock sight one for $425 after checking out the NS model ($485). for the extra $60 i can get some Hackathorn sights that are much better for me. Also, probably in my head, but the NS pistol had a significantly tighter magwell than the non NS model I purchased. Mags would not drop free, and inserting it made the mags hang up. Could be in my head but it was noticeable. Also the NS are Glock branded and no other markings FWIW

That is cheap. Around me they seem to be well above 500


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[azerious]

That is cheap. Around me they seem to be well above 500


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GSSF Blue Label

[MSparks909]

MSparks909
Can you send a good snapshot of the sights? I had ordered some CAP sights but changed my mind. My lgs has ameriglo sights for the Gen 5- I'm thinking I might get those and try them out. Just hoping to be able to compare pics. Glad you like the Gen 5 so far.

Here you go! The front is definitely .140-.150 wide. I'll get calipers on it tomorrow. I like them. Great out-of-the box option. I am leaving these guns completely stock save for an eventual G5 Gadget. To me, they are truly GTG out of the box with these sights.

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[MSparks909]

I thought this was a pretty good video. Strong ejection from his particular 17. Mine wasn't quite as strong but was still very consistent.


https://youtu.be/2nWIx53xZmc

[GJM]

Here you go! The front is definitely .140-.150 wide. I'll get calipers on it tomorrow. I like them. Great out-of-the box option. I am leaving these guns completely stock save for an eventual G5 Gadget. To me, they are truly GTG out of the box with these sights.

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How far back does the rear sight extend and how sharp is it? I like it when the rear sight does not reach the rear most part of the slide, as it becomes the point your shirt contacts the pistol and accentuates any sharpness on the rear sight. In the photo it appears to stop just a skosh short of the rear of the slid.

[MSparks909]

Stops just short of the slide. Isn't sharp...shouldn't cut you or your shirt if that's what you're asking. It's not near as sharp as some Trijicon HDs I've handled.

Gen 4 17/Wilson Battlesight on the left; Gen 5/Ameriglo on the right:
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[azerious]

1,000 round torture test uploaded on youtube already


https://youtu.be/D3352fRrhSg

[MSparks909]

Fun fact: Glock switched their rail cut from "Universal/Glock" to "1913 Picatinny" spec. Haven't seen this mentioned anywhere. Was comparing my Gen4 17 and Gen5 17 side by side and noticed that the rail cut on the Gen5 looked visibly wider. Tried my TLR-1/Glock mount and there is noticeable front to back play. Took the tan TLR-1/1913 mount off my P30 and sure enough, mounted right up and is rock solid.

*Gen 5 Glocks now use 1913 Picatinny rail accessories! Your Glock rail mount lights/lasers will be loose*

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[RJ]

Looking for some thoughts/answers here:

1) Can someone weigh (ozs) a loaded 15+1 G19? (With say either HST 147s or GD 124+ps)

2) Regarding what some have referred to as the G19 "cutout", what exactly is this feature? Does it tend to be more a problem for size M hands?

3) Again, G19: are there specific sku's for the two versions (I assume there are two versions?). And the difference between the versions is what, just the sights? Or does the night sight version come with say an additional magazine?

4) Up thread, I saw someone mention feed issues and downloading a mag by one. That surprised and disturbed me, as following Glocks out of interest, I'd not heard that. Does the G5 need to be downloaded for reliable feeding?

5) A comment I recall of previous Gen Glocks is the 10 round G19 mags do not cycle well, or perhaps not as well as they should. Has anyone tested a 10 round G5 mag? Or does anyone see any issues with 10 round mags?

6) Lastly, would Gen 5's need anything special in terms of tools to disassemble over precious versions, or can you still take them down to the component level with common tools?

Thanks a bunch. I am pondering (*) a G19 hard, but it would be 'all in' for me as both a carry and USPSA gun replacing my VP9 and EDC P30SK.

(* awaiting a SCD, naturally)

[MSparks909]

TLR1/1913 mount slipped right on my Gen 5 19 as well. Here's another pic comparing the rails and lights. Visibly obvious:

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[Sensei]

Looking for some thoughts/answers here:

2) The "cutout" is the bottom/front portion of the grip/front strap seen here:
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That sharp corner is a bitch on the 5th proximal phalanx of my shooting hand.

4) I've had no feed issues...in my whooping 50 rounds which included 1 whole magazine that was loaded to capacity. I did get a number of BTFs. More rounds will be fired once my kid's tranquilizer darts arrive. ;)

6) I took down my G17 with an armor's tool.

[BehindBlueI's]

Looking for some thoughts/answers here:

1) Can someone weigh (ozs) a loaded 15+1 G19? (With say either HST 147s or GD 124+ps)

2) Regarding what some have referred to as the G19 "cutout", what exactly is this feature? Does it tend to be more a problem for size M hands?

3) Again, G19: are there specific sku's for the two versions (I assume there are two versions?). And the difference between the versions is what, just the sights? Or does the night sight version come with say an additional magazine?

4) Up thread, I saw someone mention feed issues and downloading a mag by one. That surprised and disturbed me, as following Glocks out of interest, I'd not heard that. Does the G5 need to be downloaded for reliable feeding?

5) A comment I recall of previous Gen Glocks is the 10 round G19 mags do not cycle well, or perhaps not as well as they should. Has anyone tested a 10 round G5 mag? Or does anyone see any issues with 10 round mags?

6) Lastly, would Gen 5's need anything special in terms of tools to disassemble over precious versions, or can you still take them down to the component level with common tools?

Thanks a bunch. I am pondering (*) a G19 hard, but it would be 'all in' for me as both a carry and USPSA gun replacing my VP9 and EDC P30SK.

(* awaiting a SCD, naturally)

2) The G19 cutout is directly under my pinkie. I don't like it.

4) I'm over 800 rounds through my G17M. The only feed issue was a .40 mixed into the 9mm bulk at the range. Oddly enough, the 9mm pistol wouldn't feed the .40 cartridge... I've loaded my mags to capacity every time, and have used both the "new" mags and Gen 4 mags.

6) Second hand info, but no new tools needed.

[Inkwell 41]

1,000 round torture test uploaded on youtube already


https://youtu.be/D3352fRrhSg

Is it me, or does it look like brass is flying every which way coming out of that 19?

[holmes168]

Rich- the cutout doesn't bother me at all. My pinkie rests right across it without an issue. Believe GJM said it supposed to help rip a mag out but I could be misremembering. I've not had a feed issue with a Gen 5.
I like it a lot better than the VP9- if you roll thru Texas on your way home, you are more than welcome to give mine a test run.

[Bucky]

Stops just short of the slide. Isn't sharp...shouldn't cut you or your shirt if that's what you're asking. It's not near as sharp as some Trijicon HDs I've handled.


The razor I use to shave with isn't as sharp as the Trijicon HDs on my 19 and 43.

[JBP55]

Looking for some thoughts/answers here:

1) Can someone weigh (ozs) a loaded 15+1 G19? (With say either HST 147s or GD 124+ps)

2) Regarding what some have referred to as the G19 "cutout", what exactly is this feature? Does it tend to be more a problem for size M hands?

3) Again, G19: are there specific sku's for the two versions (I assume there are two versions?). And the difference between the versions is what, just the sights? Or does the night sight version come with say an additional magazine?

4) Up thread, I saw someone mention feed issues and downloading a mag by one. That surprised and disturbed me, as following Glocks out of interest, I'd not heard that. Does the G5 need to be downloaded for reliable feeding?

5) A comment I recall of previous Gen Glocks is the 10 round G19 mags do not cycle well, or perhaps not as well as they should. Has anyone tested a 10 round G5 mag? Or does anyone see any issues with 10 round mags?

6) Lastly, would Gen 5's need anything special in terms of tools to disassemble over precious versions, or can you still take them down to the component level with common tools?

Thanks a bunch. I am pondering (*) a G19 hard, but it would be 'all in' for me as both a carry and USPSA gun replacing my VP9 and EDC P30SK.

(* awaiting a SCD, naturally)


#3 Both come with 3 magazines, only difference is sights
Gen 5 G19 with plastic sights is PA1950203.
Gen 5 G19 with night sights is PA1950703.

[jeep45238]

Is it me, or does it look like brass is flying every which way coming out of that 19?

Not just you. Bouncing forward is the one that concerns me the most - I had it muted, but the discrepancy of how far it was ejected could have been different ammo types (if only one ammo type, then also a concern).

[fixer]

Is it me, or does it look like brass is flying every which way coming out of that 19?

Actually thought it looked improved...seriously.

[Gray222]

Does anyone have a parts diagram for the gen5?

Trying to confirm some part names and install/removal considerations.

[Gray222]

The one in the manual (that came with the pistol) is pretty good. I didn't notice any new names compared to previous generations. The "slide stop lever" is now referred to as the "ambidextrous slide stop lever".

I saw that just looking for something with a little bit more. Like an armorer's manual

[ralph]

Actually thought it looked improved...seriously.

It was a bit improved, but, there was still a bit of the "lawn sprinkler" effect as brass was ejecting forward, straight up, and a few to the left.. Ejection of the cases seemed kinda weak to me, but for the most part, they were going to the right.Very simular to what my gen4 g19 does with a Apex extractor installed. I think if I were in the market for one, I think I'd wait awhile and see how they shake out...

[M2CattleCo]

Is it me, or does it look like brass is flying every which way coming out of that 19?

I didn't watch the whole thing, but 7 or 8 mags I saw all had brass going straight up, left, every which way.

At this point I think the Gen5 is just a cosmetic change. Blah. I can fix a Gen3 frame to be better than a 5.

[MSparks909]

I didn't watch the whole thing, but 7 or 8 mags I saw all had brass going straight up, left, every which way.

At this point I think the Gen5 is just a cosmetic change. Blah. I can fix a Gen3 frame to be better than a 5.

I disagree. The little changes add up. These are the first Glocks I've owned where I have zero desire to improve the trigger and zero need to spend another $80 on an Apex/HRED combo to make them eject properly.

[EJO]

I disagree. The little changes add up. These are the first Glocks I've owned where I have zero desire to improve the trigger and zero need to spend another $80 on an Apex/HRED combo to make them eject properly.

I'm with you MSparks. I'm very impressed with this gen5 G17 and plan on running mine stock right out of the box. Also, nice find on the picatinny slot. I completely missed that but just put my x300u with 1913 insert on my 17 and it fits up nice and tight. Well done sir!

[GJM]

Who has shot 25 or 50 yard groups yet, and if so, what accuracy are you seeing from the new barrel? My 17 is to arrive today or tomorrow, but I have to get back to town to get it.

[Gray222]

The gen5 is most definitely not a cosmetic change.

Plenty of little things which equate to a different enough pistol from gen4.

[M2CattleCo]

The only thing wrong with them is the ejection. The trigger on the Gen4 was a step down. If they didn't improve the ejection on every single individual pistol, then I don't really consider the no finger grooves to be a big upgrade. Factor in the mag scallop on the 19 and I walk away.

.150/.169" night sights? Never wished for that either.

I was super optimistic about the M or Gen5, but everything I've seen shows the same lawn sprinkler ejection that my Gen4 19 had.

I went to ridiculous lengths to get my Gen3 34s going and I won't be buying any product improvement that didn't improve the only problem I had.

[WobblyPossum]

A local blue label dealer quoted me $525 out the door for a Gen5 19 with the Ameriglo sights. That sounds a little high to me since our sales tax in VT is 6% and the prices I've seen quoted online were around $476 before taxes. Are the blue label prices set by Glock or do the dealers have wiggle room? Not a huge deal since it's only about $20 more than my math shows.


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[Rack]

I'm bothered about the ejection, too. I was hoping that would be fixed by now. It's weak. I was more excited about the Gen5 until I saw the ejection and the cutout in the front of the grip on the 19. In a couple of other videos, the ejection looked weak. It wasn't consistent. The rounds ejected all over and some looked like they barely tossed out of the ejection port. I wonder how much tolerance that will give with mags with weaker springs.

It is amazing that they are as reliable as they are, though.

[Gun Mutt]

I just don't understand why when they OBVIOUSLY had to mold a new frame casting, why the hell didn't they match the front nose of the frame (bevel) to the new slide bevel? Is there no one working in aesthetics at Glock? Must not be.

Agreed. An underbite on a cute blond news anchor is one thing...but on a Glock?

And I'm disappointed to learn that Glock has obviously never read any of my posts or they'd know the 19 cut out was gonna bug people.

[RJ]

Agreed. An underbite on a cute blond news anchor is one thing...but on a Glock?

And I'm disappointed to learn that Glock has obviously never read any of my posts or they'd know the 19 cut out was gonna bug people.

Humor me please, as I'm not able to see a G5 G19 in person, but is the 'cutout' the area circled in the pic below?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/961e5f2b76074c60d66ad7f8ebe6ad2f.jpg

[WobblyPossum]

Yes


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[EJO]

A local blue label dealer quoted me $525 out the door for a Gen5 19 with the Ameriglo sights. That sounds a little high to me since our sales tax in VT is 6% and the prices I've seen quoted online were around $476 before taxes. Are the blue label prices set by Glock or do the dealers have wiggle room? Not a huge deal since it's only about $20 more than my math shows.


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Dan, these are the prices given to me from a very large blue label dealer. Sight options are polymer fixed @ $399.00, Ameriglo Bold @ $476.00, and Glock Night Sights @ $456.00.

We used to have a smaller mom and pop shop that sold blue label guns and did impose a fee. It was $20 or $30 if I remember correctly. I do not know how they got away with the additional fee but I know most of us local LE would not purchase from them. Not saying they weren't on the up an up, we just chose not to purchase from them.

[HALO51]

I like the idea of scallops on both sides, but not the front. Doesn't make sense and it's not a natural reach up and strip it clean. Now you have to rotate your hand 90' to put thumb or fore-finger to strip. Completely unnatural movement of the wrists and goes against conventional training. I had Bowie scallop both sides of mine, and it's a natural feeding of the magazine and natural reversal to rip the magazine if need arises. Just my thoughts.

[WobblyPossum]

Dan, these are the prices given to me from a very large blue label dealer. Sight options are polymer fixed @ $399.00, Ameriglo Bold @ $476.00, and Glock Night Sights @ $456.00.

We used to have a smaller mom and pop shop that sold blue label guns and did impose a fee. It was $20 or $30 if I remember correctly. I do not know how they got away with the additional fee but I know most of us local LE would not purchase from them. Not saying they weren't on the up an up, we just chose not to purchase from them.

The only other blue label dealer in the state is an hour and a half from where I live. I'm okay paying the extra $20 as a fee to save two hours of driving.


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[GJM]

Wonder if the number, 1-800 CALL FBI, works for Gen 5 19/17 suggestions as to what can be improved?

[MSparks909]

Well, I may have just gotten lucky with my sample of two but I'll take it. Both of mine have zero BTF and have remarkably consistent ejection. And that was with low PF Freedom Munitons 124s. This stuff is like 132PF out of my 5" Berettas. If I didn't get BTF with that stuff I don't think I will. I'm going to put a couple hundred through the 17 this weekend. I'll report back if anything changes.

[blues]

The only other blue label dealer in the state is an hour and a half from where I live. I'm okay paying the extra $20 as a fee to save two hours of driving.

Dan, my local shop which handles Blue Label got $425 for my Gen 4 G17 vs. the $399 listed on the price sheet emailed to me by Glock this past winter. Factor in the FFL charge he'd have been paid to receive the gun(s) if ordered directly from Glock and it's a negligible difference. Plus the guys are good guys, (one is a lieutenant in the sheriff's office, the other does much volunteer work), so I'm happy to support them.

I completely agree with your take. I'd pay the extra as well to avoid the commute.

[holmes168]

Well, I may have just gotten lucky with my sample of two but I'll take it. Both of mine have zero BTF and have remarkably consistent ejection. And that was with low PF Freedom Munitons 124s. This stuff is like 132PF out of my 5" Berettas. If I didn't get BTF with that stuff I don't think I will. I'm going to put a couple hundred through the 17 this weekend. I'll report back if anything changes.

I'm in the exact same place you are. Sometimes there might be a difference in watching videos and actually shooting.

[Cory]

Just held a 17G5 for the first time.

Initial thoughts:
-Great slide release position. On my Gen4 I have had the OEM extended triangle-ish lever since day 1. It makes it far easier for me to use both during administrative handling and reloading. I think it wouldn't even be needed with the Gen 5. The lever is just slightly different, and it makes it easy to move and manipulate without being in the way.
-Nice magwell. I think the mag well is a real win. It isn't so flared as to make it any noticeably larger at the bottom of the grip, where you would worry about printing. Yet, it is big enough to make the reload easier. I think it looks like a huge awesome addition.
-Smooth trigger. The trigger pull was pretty nice. It rolled through a trigger press really well for me, even without my beloved medium beavertail backstrap on it. It felt like it was.... well... smoother. Easier. It wasn't slack, take up, wall, break. It was pull-pull-pull-click. I liked it a lot. I honestly think it was better than my unmodified gen 4 that has around 5k rounds through it.
-Recessed crown barrel looked good. Hopefully it would shoot good.
-Far better grip. I never realized how much better my grip on a 17 could be without the finger grooves. I instantly liked not having them. I thought they fit me okay, but not having them felt even better. I really didn't expect it to be as big a difference as it was.
-Finish on slide felt slick. Not as grippy as my 17. Some of that was likely the fact it is a new pistol that was coated in oil and what not. I wouldn't worry overall that it's too slick... but I think FCS would have been good, as I use that area a fair amount. I think I still prefer my Gen 4 surface, but if the Gen 5 surface wears less... that would be good too.
-Like the magazine follower being orange. It adds practicality, and after having it with Magpul I thought it was a good addition.


Local gun store only had 2 gen5s. A 17 with night sights, and a 17 with stock plastic sights. I asked if they had any with the Ameriglo sights and they looked at me like I was stupid. I'm not even sure if they were aware that a version with Ameriglo sights was released. I didn't press the issue, because it didn't make a difference if they didn't have it.

They were pretty overpriced I think. $650ish after me saying the sticker price was a bit high, and them offering me $70 off. When I asked about what trade in would be on a 17G4 (wasn't planning on doing this, but I liked the G5 enough to ask. If it was something crazy in my favor I would entertain it) and was laughed at. They said every law enforcement agency is selling G3s and G4s used, so no matter what your Glock has on it your looking at $250 for credit. They said brand new Glock G4s are going for $300-$350 on gun broker. Don't think that's true... but basically "no we won't buy your G4".

I feel like this shop kind of sucks... They only seem to really carry striker poly guns, and inflate all the prices on the tags. Plus you can't see price on the tag without asking to see the pistol. Then if they cut a zip tie you can actually dry fire it. Overall I think these guns are being sold high because they just launched. Are they an improvement over a G4? I certainly think so. But it's going to be sometime before the prices come down to where they should be.

Heck, I could have picked up a used 92FS with night sights for $460, or a new M9 for about $500. I know they are a different market but overall these Glocks should have better pricing than an all metal gun. I think the "New Glock" craze will have to die down before I even remotely consider one. Despite the fact they appear to actually be a Glock killer released by Glock.

-Cory

[Gray222]

Was messing around with lights - Both Gen5 19 and 17 have 1913 rail sized holes, not standard "glock" sized or whatever else. I tried the Streamlight and Surefire additions for both and the 1913 fit perfectly.

http://i.imgur.com/ha6bVqI.jpg

[Gray222]

Gen 5 Glock 19 internal parts overview (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/gen-5-glock-19-internal-parts-overview.html) is up

http://i.imgur.com/5aacvPi.jpg (http://www.vdmsr.com/2017/08/gen-5-glock-19-internal-parts-overview.html)

[cjb1911]

Has anyone found the chamber to be on the "tight" side? I brought my new G17G5 to the range this afternoon and into my 2nd mag a cartridge jammed up my gun so well that it would not return to battery. It actually ended the G17s range session b/c I could not rack the slide until I got home and was able to use a vice and rubber mallet.

[Gray222]

Has anyone found the chamber to be on the "tight" side? I brought my new G17G5 to the range this afternoon and into my 2nd mag a cartridge jammed up my gun so well that it would not return to battery. It actually ended the G17s range session b/c I could not rack the slide until I got home and was able to use a vice and rubber mallet.

The new barrel design has slightly tighter tolerance. I'll caliper it when I get a chance.

[JBP55]

Has anyone found the chamber to be on the "tight" side? I brought my new G17G5 to the range this afternoon and into my 2nd mag a cartridge jammed up my gun so well that it would not return to battery. It actually ended the G17s range session b/c I could not rack the slide until I got home and was able to use a vice and rubber mallet.


Did you clean and lube the pistol before shooting?

[RJ]

Looking for some thoughts/answers here:

1) Can someone weigh (ozs) a loaded 15+1 G19? (With say either HST 147s or GD 124+ps)

2) Regarding what some have referred to as the G19 "cutout", what exactly is this feature? Does it tend to be more a problem for size M hands?

3) Again, G19: are there specific sku's for the two versions (I assume there are two versions?). And the difference between the versions is what, just the sights? Or does the night sight version come with say an additional magazine?

4) Up thread, I saw someone mention feed issues and downloading a mag by one. That surprised and disturbed me, as following Glocks out of interest, I'd not heard that. Does the G5 need to be downloaded for reliable feeding?

5) A comment I recall of previous Gen Glocks is the 10 round G19 mags do not cycle well, or perhaps not as well as they should. Has anyone tested a 10 round G5 mag? Or does anyone see any issues with 10 round mags?

6) Lastly, would Gen 5's need anything special in terms of tools to disassemble over precious versions, or can you still take them down to the component level with common tools?

Thanks a bunch. I am pondering (*) a G19 hard, but it would be 'all in' for me as both a carry and USPSA gun replacing my VP9 and EDC P30SK.

(* awaiting a SCD, naturally)

Much appreciate the answers to my questions. Thanks.

Relative to the cutout, absent getting my hands on a G19, would it be possible for someone to take a quick measurement?

I'm interested in the distance from the bottom of the trigger guard to the cutout.

So, for example, on my EDC P30SK it measures 1 5/8":

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170831/cf161dd741e1f7f5d8fb8f56c69c77d8.jpg

(Please ignore the apparent parallax).

What is the same distance on a Gen 5 Glock 19?

I will be trying to get to a shop stocking a Gen 5 Glock soon. But I'm currently in Northwestern Montana and it is not exactly Smyrna here.

[CK1]

I'm bothered about the ejection, too. I was hoping that would be fixed by now. It's weak. I was more excited about the Gen5 until I saw the ejection and the cutout in the front of the grip on the 19. In a couple of other videos, the ejection looked weak. It wasn't consistent. The rounds ejected all over and some looked like they barely tossed out of the ejection port. I wonder how much tolerance that will give with mags with weaker springs.

It is amazing that they are as reliable as they are, though.

This.

Looks like some guys get ones that run good, but after watching a bunch of different videos that are already posted, there's A LOT of the Gen5's having erratic/weak ejection just like the late G3's and G4's (even in the video posted from Glock HQ in Smyrna). Not to kick a dead horse but none of my well worn pre-2009 Glock 9mm's do any of that "dribbling out" or BTF nonsense, and throw brass about 4-6ft to my right in a perfectly consistent manner...

Also, handled a G5G19 yesterday, hate the cut-out, I've got normal hands not Trump-hands, no bueno :-(

[HALO51]

You are correct. Prefix MSZ and before Glocks were the best years. I have a 2000 & 2008 Glock 19's that throw brass consistently 5' into a perfect pile. I bought the prefix DKF from a local range and it had 188,000 documented rounds. I've put 13,000 rounds through it. So, 201,000 rounds later all I do is change the springs.

[Mr_White]

I really like the Glocks I already have, but the possibility of a Glock that is easier to hit hard targets with does have me intrigued. And I don't mind the finger grooves, but I'd probably prefer just not having them. And I'd like to try out another of the various high-visibility night sights around now - maybe the Ameriglo Bold will be the ones. Very interesting, and I'm definitely paying attention to this.

[Gray222]

The new barrel design has slightly tighter tolerance. I'll caliper it when I get a chance.

.3935" gen5 glock19
.394" gen5 glock17
.3935" barsto gen3 fitted barrel
.395" gen4 glock19
.3955" glock43


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[CK1]

You are correct. Prefix MSZ and before Glocks were the best years. I have a 2000 & 2008 Glock 19's that throw brass consistently 5' into a perfect pile. I bought the prefix DKF from a local range and it had 188,000 documented rounds. I've put 13,000 rounds through it. So, 201,000 rounds later all I do is change the springs.

Exactly. I just don't believe in coincidence and whatever got changed around 2009 was a step backwards IMHO...

I was really hoping Glock would "un-update" whatever they did around 2009 that caused the weird ejection issues for the gunss, but it doesn't look like it from what I'm seeing...

That said, there are a few vids up that show guy's Gen5's running great and having really strong/improved ejection too, it just seems inconsistent from particular gun to gun. I've never witnessed a late Gen3 or Gen4 9mm run quite like they used to but, lots of guys say they've got ones that'll run. At my agency the Gen4's in .40 do seem to run fine (although I still chose a pre-2009 Gen3 .40 for my issue weapon because I'm weary).

Just my personal theory here, and it could be BS, but I think the culprit is whatever was changed production-wise in 2009 led to higher profit margins and lower quality guns.

[MSparks909]

I don't want to hijack further but Glock quality magically didn't change in 09...I bought a NIB Gen 2 19 last year from an estate sale. It has the fabled machined extractor...and it pelted me dead in the forehead with brass within the first magazine. Mine is a 1991 gun. So yeah, these problems aren't exclusive to changing to a MIM extractor in 08-09. Some Glocks seem to run well and some don't. If you find one that runs well, go buy a lottery ticket. I should have bought two tickets yesterday, as both of my G5s seem to run perfect :cool:

[GJM]

There does seem to be a preoccupation with the ejection patterns of these new Gen 5 Glock pistols. I am waiting for a review of a Gen 5, where all the brass cases on the ground are numbered like at a crime scene, with distance and angle summarized in a table. What I am not hearing about, in the various reviews, are actual stoppages/malfunctions/breakages, which is not that surprising, given the M guns supposedly have a 11,000 round average between stoppage.

[BWT]

Outsider looking in; the issue (if there is one) as I'm reading it predominantly affects the 19 but not the 17.

God Bless,

Brandon

[fixer]

Has anyone found the chamber to be on the "tight" side? I brought my new G17G5 to the range this afternoon and into my 2nd mag a cartridge jammed up my gun so well that it would not return to battery. It actually ended the G17s range session b/c I could not rack the slide until I got home and was able to use a vice and rubber mallet.

I just had this happen with my 92A1. Turned out to be an out of spec casing. I've had this happen previously on a 92fs. I just grab some blue shop towels, covered the hammer, and whacked the rear of the hammer (safety on), and the slide went to battery. Then I could disassemble to pry the round out of the chamber.

[EJO]

I don't want to hijack further but Glock quality magically didn't change in 09...I bought a NIB Gen 2 19 last year from an estate sale. It has the fabled machined extractor...and it pelted me dead in the forehead with brass within the first magazine. Mine is a 1991 gun. So yeah, these problems aren't exclusive to changing to a MIM extractor in 08-09. Some Glocks seem to run well and some don't. If you find one that runs well, go buy a lottery ticket. I should have bought two tickets yesterday, as both of my G5s seem to run perfect :cool:

Every Glock 19 I've ever owned from my gen2 through and including my gen4 has pelted me in the face/ head area with brass. Some more than other but they've all done it. Hell I can't remember the exact year/ generation but NYPD had a huge problem with their 19s. To the point Glock put a truck outside NYPD and started modifiying / fixing the slides. Pat Rogers spoke with me several times about it. RIP.

My point is Glock's have never been perfection nor will they ever be. However I think Glock hit a home run with the gen5. I have over 500 rounds cheap Blazer aluminum through my 17 now with zero malfunctions and thankfully have yet to be hit with a piece of brass. I definitely see a gen5 19 in my future.