*THE* Gen 5 Glock thread: First Impressions, Reviews and Thoughts

[Fordtough25]

How does the cutout feel to you on the bottom of the grip? It felt awkward to me in handling. Curious to see if it is a non issue while firing.


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It has been non noticeable to me so far while firing!

[EJO]

As I recall it is from the ready. Doing it from the holster makes it an "advanced" test / super test.

Copy. Thanks HCM

[Jared]

I handled a 19 and a 17 in a shop yesterday. I liked both quite a lot, and once the rush to buy them settles down and pricing comes down, I can see myself with one of each. The lack of finger grooves is very good, and I felt like they both had slightly better triggers than I'm used to seeing on brand new Glocks.

[Mjolnir]

Took out the 19 Gen5 and compared it to my LAV 19 Gen3.

Yeah, the 5 feels better in the hand and, yes, the trigger pulls are markedly different.

What I noticed is that the mag cutout DOES impact my little finger so I did some careful re-profiling to rid the relatively sharp edge I thought I had removed.

Also, the recoil impulse is more subdued with the 5.

I know the latter to be true as I have acute tendinitis from continually hitting my elbow on just about every darned thing. Hard. So gripping a pistol requires a conscious effort.

I did not have a 4 on hand to compare it to. Next time.

Also, the pistol shoots to the left about an inch at 10 yds - which pisses me the Hell off. I'll place it on a Ransom Rest next visit to confirm is it me with my dominant firearm or the mechanical lockup, crown, locking block, whatever with the pistol. I'll also further radius the corners of the mag cutout as well. I think it's just about right; they should have. Wen on either side and less pronounced.


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[Mjolnir]

My question for those that handled one, particularly the 19, is the front U mag cutout noticeable while gripping the gun? Is it uncomfortable, or do you even notice it?

Nothing that a bit of careful filing/sanding will not cure. The first couple of times I did not notice. Today I did so I did some more remedial action with 400 and 800 grit wet/dry paper. It is the CORNER that nips me. It's now more radiused and less pointy/edgy so it appears to be fine. They should modify that mold but that ain't happening.


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[JHC]

Also, the recoil impulse is more subdued with the 5.



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Mjolnir and anybody,

Is it my imagination or is the G17 Gen 5's RSA "lighter" than Gen 4's? (as in weight, retracting the slide) I know it feels much lighter than the original Gen 4 RSA's but even current production? Seemed like it sure was. Which is very interesting vis a vis published info about the M model G17's having a new RSA for improved recoil characteristics.

[Morbidbattlecry]

So i happen to pick up a 19.5 a couple of days ago. And if anyone is worried about the cut out, go handle one and make sure you are ok with it. I could tell right away it wasn't for me. The corners are sharp and i couldn't get a comfortable grip. I do have big hands though. My hand almost reaches the bottom of a glock 17 grip.

[Jay585]

So i happen to pick up a 19.5 a couple of days ago. And if anyone is worried about the cut out, go handle one and make sure you are ok with it. I could tell right away it wasn't for me. The corners are sharp and i couldn't get a comfortable grip. I do have big hands though. My hand almost reaches the bottom of a glock 17 grip.

I have a Gen3 G17 with a cutout that I filed the finger grooves off of and sanded an undercut with 5/8" round bar. My grip covers half the cut out.

The G19.5's cut out doesn't bother me dry firing. Haven't live fired yet. So if you have large hands I wouldn't immediately discount the Gen5 just because you have large hands.

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[Lyonsgrid]

Ran 150 more rounds through the 17.5 today which brings the total to 1450. I continue to shoot it well and I'm scoring decent (for me) times on "The Test"
Here is a 95 / 9.47


https://youtu.be/--9JyaqF_W0

[GJM]

Ran 150 more rounds through the 17.5 today which brings the total to 1450. I continue to shoot it well and I'm scoring decent (for me) times on "The Test"
Here is a 95 / 9.47


https://youtu.be/--9JyaqF_W0

Well done.

[Trukinjp13]

So i happen to pick up a 19.5 a couple of days ago. And if anyone is worried about the cut out, go handle one and make sure you are ok with it. I could tell right away it wasn't for me. The corners are sharp and i couldn't get a comfortable grip. I do have big hands though. My hand almost reaches the bottom of a glock 17 grip.

My little finger naturally falls right on the edge. I really did not like how it felt. The g17 feels amazing to me for a Glock. My hands never worked with grooves. I was really liking the g19.5 setup to.


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[Morbidbattlecry]

I have a Gen3 G17 with a cutout that I filed the finger grooves off of and sanded an undercut with 5/8" round bar. My grip covers half the cut out.

The G19.5's cut out doesn't bother me dry firing. Haven't live fired yet. So if you have large hands I wouldn't immediately discount the Gen5 just because you have large hands.

https://i.imgur.com/175fbkK.jpg
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Good pictures. See my pinky was half way on the on the bottom of the magwell and the baseplate. I'll give it another try before i pick up a 17.5. Maybe a 19.4 is in my future? If it seamed like i didn't like the 17.5 i really do. That's what i'm going to pick up in a few weeks. The 19 just did not fit me well.

[holmes168]

I know that the lack of finger grooves has been talked through, but I really noticed a massive difference during dry fire on the 17.5 vs the 17.4. My fingers literally could not get as good of a grip on the 17.4 due to the grooves. I had not realized the difference would be as much as it was until dry fire his evening. Great- now I will end up getting a second 17.5. Oh well- can't take $$$ with you.

[QuickStrike]

I bet a few minutes with a round needle file would alleviate any problems with the G19 cut-out.

[MGW]

Mjolnir and anybody,

Is it my imagination or is the G17 Gen 5's RSA "lighter" than Gen 4's? (as in weight, retracting the slide) I know it feels much lighter than the original Gen 4 RSA's but even current production? Seemed like it sure was. Which is very interesting vis a vis published info about the M model G17's having a new RSA for improved recoil characteristics.

Comparing my 17.5 to my 34.4 I thought the same thing.

[Mjolnir]

I think it's definitely different as it seems to recoil a little softer.

I'll take them out and try to compare.

I'm sure it's probably too subtle to notice by working the RSA with your hands.

I did read/watch somewhere that the timing of the pistol was altered to increase reliability.

That would imply softer/less stiff springs, perhaps???


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[Trukinjp13]

Okay, where are you guys finding blue label gen 5 g17s? I can not seem to find any in stock. My googlefu is broke.


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[Texaspoff]

Okay, where are you guys finding blue label gen 5 g17s? I can not seem to find any in stock. My googlefu is broke.


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GT distributors in Austin had some in stock. Ask to speak to Dorianne. Thats where we have been getting all our 17 and 19's


TXPO

[Wynn615]

I picked a GSSF Blue Label in Nashville two weeks ago.

- Wynn

[QuickStrike]

First malf at about 1070 rounds. Failure to chamber all the way from slide lock with magtech 115gr..


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[Trukinjp13]

GT distributors in Austin had some in stock. Ask to speak to Dorianne. Thats where we have been getting all our 17 and 19's


TXPO

Thank you. Is there a wait difference for gssf vs blue label. Sorry for the rookie questions. Never dealt with the gssf before.


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[Lyonsgrid]

Ran another 100 in the 17.5 today. Shot it along side a 17.4 for comparison. I slightly prefer the Gen 5 but I could not tell a difference in recoil.

Broke the 17.5 down for a cleaning/inspection at round count 1550 and everything looks good.

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[Mjolnir]

I think it's definitely different as it seems to recoil a little softer.

I'll take them out and try to compare.

I'm sure it's probably too subtle to notice by working the RSA with your hands.

I did read/watch somewhere that the timing of the pistol was altered to increase reliability.

That would imply softer/less stiff springs, perhaps???


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Both the magazine springs and the longer recoil springs are perceptibly softer in the Gen5 v the Gen4. This was tested with Model 17.

The springs for the RSA are different - thinner material and different number of coils.

I suggest everyone pull them and look at them.

Now the mag springs I noticed a few weeks ago. The bullets rattled in one of them so I replaced the spring with a Gen4 spring and the rattling cartridges ceased.


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[JHC]

Both the magazine springs and the longer recoil springs are perceptibly softer in the Gen5 v the Gen4. This was tested with Model 17.

The springs for the RSA are different - thinner material and different number of coils.

I suggest everyone pull them and look at them.

Now the mag springs I noticed a few weeks ago. The bullets rattled in one of them so I replaced the spring with a Gen4 spring and the rattling cartridges ceased.


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Do you think the mag springs are so, in order to be optimally timed with the recoil dynamics?

Not that that's a bad thing. Or even an especially important thing for most use short of breaking the 11K without a malf record maybe. ;)

[Mjolnir]

Do you think the mag springs are so, in order to be optimally timed with the recoil dynamics?

Not that that's a bad thing. Or even an especially important thing for most use short of breaking the 11K without a malf record maybe. ;)

It's been optimized, obviously. Not 100 percent sure. It could a spring fatigue issue and balancing the two to maintain near optimal timing.

That one magazine I had rattled when I walked so the spring had to go.

If you have a Gen5 and a precious Gen compare the springs. It's interesting. But I'm a nerdy engineer who tries to figure out a lot of things. Many which really don't matter.


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[JHC]

But I'm a nerdy engineer who tries to figure out a lot of things. Many which really don't matter.


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Excellent. I count on such people to produce "net net" bottom lines for "lazy lames" such as myself. ;)

[Mjolnir]

Excellent. I count on such people to produce "net net" bottom lines for "lazy lames" such as myself. ;)

You have to pick and choose.

Some things I don't bother with.

It all balances out.


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[PensFan]

Both the magazine springs and the longer recoil springs are perceptibly softer in the Gen5 v the Gen4. This was tested with Model 17.

The springs for the RSA are different - thinner material and different number of coils.

I suggest everyone pull them and look at them.

Now the mag springs I noticed a few weeks ago. The bullets rattled in one of them so I replaced the spring with a Gen4 spring and the rattling cartridges ceased.


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The Gen4 and Gen5 mag springs are the same spec. The only difference is the color of the follower and the floor plate. Otherwise they are the same. Your gen4 springs have probably developed a normal set from use and are slightly softer for that reason.

Rattle is likely from a lose round down in the stack. A good whack of the mag rearward in your hand generally seats the bullet and eliminates the rattle. A non issue.

[Mjolnir]

The Gen4 and Gen5 mag springs are the same spec. The only difference is the color of the follower and the floor plate. Otherwise they are the same. Your gen4 springs have probably developed a normal set from use and are slightly softer for that reason.

Rattle is likely from a lose round down in the stack. A good whack of the mag rearward in your hand generally seats the bullet and eliminates the rattle. A non issue.

The reverse is true. The G5 mag springs were not as strong and allowed the cartridges to rattle within the mag body.

No amount of whacks quieted the magazine so I swapped springs but not before pushing down on the followers and the G5 mag springs were indeed less stiff.


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[PensFan]

The reverse is true. The G5 mag springs were not as strong and allowed the cartridges to rattle within the mag body.

No amount of whacks quieted the magazine so I swapped springs but not before pushing down on the followers and the G5 mag springs were indeed less stiff.


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Ok. I must be mistaken.


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[GJM]

The reverse is true. The G5 mag springs were not as strong and allowed the cartridges to rattle within the mag body.

No amount of whacks quieted the magazine so I swapped springs but not before pushing down on the followers and the G5 mag springs were indeed less stiff.


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It is possible your magazine spring tension difference was due to a particular spring, or batch of springs, as opposed to a Gen 5 change.

[Coal Train]

The Gen4 and Gen5 mag springs are the same spec. The only difference is the color of the follower and the floor plate. Otherwise they are the same. Your gen4 springs have probably developed a normal set from use and are slightly softer for that reason.

Rattle is likely from a lose round down in the stack. A good whack of the mag rearward in your hand generally seats the bullet and eliminates the rattle. A non issue.
Thank you for this tip and your willingness to respond on this message board.

[Mjolnir]

It's possible it was a case of springs out of spec. I will pull them and photo them.

It was one magazine not all three but I swapped all three springs. Because I can be a bit anal. And - being an engineer - I knew that once the others take their set they may be just like the one that drove me mad.

I don't know where I read that both RSA and mag springs were "optimized"... I would not have thought decreasing mag spring tension would be beneficial. It seems the reverse (to a point) would be but without modeling and testing and having access to data our individual sample sizes are too small to make them much more than anecdotal evidence - engineering speaking.





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[Mjolnir]

Ok. I must be mistaken.


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No, you're correct. It was just the reverse for this spring in particular. And it was not remarkable enough for me to complain - just swap them and keep moving. It was just something I noticed.

I was hitting that mag on the dresser and anything solid I passed by in the house. I downloaded it a round, loaded it back to full capacity. It would seem okay until I either loaded it in the pistol or into the mag carrier.

It reminded me of the need to have spare mags, floor plates, followers and... springs.


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[Trukinjp13]

Made room for a new striker today. Unloaded my p-10c. Looking to go back to Glock. The gen 5 has really brought me back. I am thinking of joining the gssf. Because if I get one this year. I know I will end up with one next year. I enjoyed my p-10c but it is really hard to pass up the total package of a Glock. Mags/holsters/sights bla bla bla. The gen 5 feels great in hand. At least the g17 does. The g19 I am not so sure on. I love the fact that a scd is possibly coming.

Current thought process is get into a g17.5. Buy some mags and shoot the damn thing. Down the road maybe get a g19 or g26. My current carry gun is the px4cc. Hard to picture the g19.5 outdoing it for me.

I have realized that the one or my unicorn of pistols probably does not exist. And if that is the case I would rather find the renaissance man of pistols. The Glock is it as far as I am concerned.


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[Sensei]

We put another 200 rounds of 124 grain AE through the G17. About 50 of those rounds through the G17 were fired by a female 1st time shooter who was getting frequent BTF and BTC (brass to cleavage). I’ve seen this before from earlier generation Glocks and new shooters that I’ve attributed to weak wrist strength. I only recall one instance of BTF for me with the G17 out of the 150 or so rounds that I put through it this weekend. Thus, I think it was limp wrist issues for the female shooter. There have been no feeding issues in the 400-500 rounds that I’ve now fired with this gun.

We also put about 40 rounds through the gen 5 G19 - no issues whatsoever. You may recall that this pistol had some BTF issues in the first 50-75 rounds that now seemed resolved.

[M2CattleCo]

My 19 has ~1,044 rounds through it now. No BTF, stoppages, or anything to report. 2 USPSA matches and I shoot this faster and more accurately than the Gen3 34 I was using.

[Gray222]

Ran my g5g19 for about 1k rounds in training.

No hiccups, no issues. It is "inherently more accurate" and comfortable to shoot. I put down some pretty fast time in various standards.

As I stated before, I don't feel like I am waiting on the gun like I do with my EDC g3g19. The g5 feels like it's waiting on me for speed and accuracy. That's a good feeling to have.

[Spectre044]

1750 rounds through my 17.5 as of today. No issues, no BTF across 3 different shooters. I'm loving this gun more every day. It's devoured everything from S&B 124 to some old black talons that I had laying around and it keeps coming back for more.
I've found the trigger has been extremely conducive to fast and accurate follow up shots for me. It's definitely a winner in my book so far.

[RJ]

Just adding to the information base, I asked Mitch Rosen customer service whether their Upper Limit holster would accommodate a G19G5. It will not, at least not at this time:

"At this time, we are only making the 5JR or 5JR-EXP holster for the Glock 19
Gen 5. (We do make the UPL-EXP for the earlier models of the Glock 19, but
right now, the ambidextrous slide lock means we can only make the 5JR
holsters.)"

[WobblyPossum]

I'm currently at 1028 rounds through my 19-5. I haven't had any more malfunctions since starting to use only Glock magazines about 400 rounds ago. I've still been using the same Blazer Aluminum ammo. I should be able to get to 2k rounds by the end of the month and, if I don't have any more stoppages during that time, the only thing that will stop me from carrying it is the lack of gadget. It looks like Tom is well on his way to releasing Gen5 gadgets so I don't think I'll have too long to wait.

[Gray222]

Got confirmation today, also posted on my site.

Gen5's will NOT accept NY1 or NY2 springs.

[JBP55]

Got confirmation today, also posted on my site.

Gen5's will NOT accept NY1 or NY2 springs.

Thank goodness.

[rangerover]

Sorry if this is off topic. Has anyone run 10 round mags in either the 17 or 19? Do they have the same reliability problems noted in prior generations?

[CalmlyDeMented]

Do gen 4 g19 barrels work in gen 5's? I saw that KKM has gen 5 g19 barrels on their website now, but I haven't seen a gen 5 Roland Special. I guess it would work pretty much the same, just no magwell. I've always found the Roland Special very interesting.

[JSGlock34]

I put 287 rounds through my new GEN5 19 today - no issues to report, ejection or otherwise. This included...

220 rounds Geco 124 grain FMJ
50 rounds Speer G2 147 grain JHP
17 rounds Speer G2 124 grain +P JHP

I have a set of the thin FBI Ameriglo sights on this pistol and was very satisfied with the accuracy; while my bench shooting was nothing to write home about I was very pleased with my B8 groups at 25 yards from standing.

Another 85 rounds of Geco plus some assorted reloads went through my G17.5, bringing that pistol to over 400 problem free rounds. I need to shoot these more.

[Kyle Reese]

Broke in a new Gen 5 17 today. Fired 400 rounds of 115 grain CCI Blazer aluminum case, 147 grain HST, 124 grain Hydra Shok and Winchester M882.

The only stoppage was a round of Magtech 147 grain bonded JHP, which failed to chamber, and locked up the gun. This same ammunition locked up my Walther PPS M1 at a range session with Todd in late 2015.

This isn't ammo that I rely on for duty or defensive use, but it is disconcerting. I'll contact Magtech and see what they say.

I did shoot the 10-10-10 from concealment, and the new gun is capable of decent accuracy.

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[Gray222]

Do gen 4 g19 barrels work in gen 5's? I saw that KKM has gen 5 g19 barrels on their website now, but I haven't seen a gen 5 Roland Special. I guess it would work pretty much the same, just no magwell. I've always found the Roland Special very interesting.

The only reason, at this point, to get an aftermarket barrel for a gen5 is because you want a threaded barrel. Otherwise there is probably no accuracy gain and may, possibly, be an accuracy decrease

[JV_]

The only reason, at this point, to get an aftermarket barrel for a gen5 is because you want a threaded barrel.Or, if you want to shoot lead. Gen5 barrels are still not recommended for lead bullets.

[MGW]

It doesn’t show up very well but here is some of the wear on my 17.5 barrel. This was at 1k rounds. At 1500 now and will compare when I get to 2k. I’m not concerned about it just haven’t seen wear on a Glock barrel in these areas. The wear marks in the center section of the barrel can be felt when I rub my finger over that area.

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[Lyonsgrid]

My barrel looks almost just like that at 1550 rounds. Seems to be the norm on the 17 Gen 5's. Not sure of the cause but it's more wear than typically seen on earlier gens at this round count.

[CalmlyDeMented]

The only reason, at this point, to get an aftermarket barrel for a gen5 is because you want a threaded barrel. Otherwise there is probably no accuracy gain and may, possibly, be an accuracy decrease
Yes, a threaded barrel would be required to add the comp, to make a Roland Special. I just hadn’t seen one done with a Gen 5 yet. I really like the way a small magwell locks in my grip on a Gen 3, it keeps my primary hand high in on the backstrap. Does the slight flare of the Gen 5 magwell offer a similar feeling, or at least somewhat seem to help keep your grip higher?

[Gray222]

Yes, a threaded barrel would be required to add the comp, to make a Roland Special. I just hadn’t seen one done with a Gen 5 yet. I really like the way a small magwell locks in my grip on a Gen 3, it keeps my primary hand high in on the backstrap. Does the slight flare of the Gen 5 magwell offer a similar feeling, or at least somewhat seem to help keep your grip higher?

The grip itself is thinner (or feels thinner) without the finger grooves, so that helps the most. The "flair" is not something I really notice.

[MSparks909]

My barrel looks almost just like that at 1550 rounds. Seems to be the norm on the 17 Gen 5's. Not sure of the cause but it's more wear than typically seen on earlier gens at this round count.

My guess is its due to the NDLC or whatever coating they put on the G5s. Slide surface tougher than the barrel coating perhaps?

[Texaspoff]

It doesn’t show up very well but here is some of the wear on my 17.5 barrel. This was at 1k rounds. At 1500 now and will compare when I get to 2k. I’m not concerned about it just haven’t seen wear on a Glock barrel in these areas. The wear marks in the center section of the barrel can be felt when I rub my finger over that area.

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I have the same wear pattern on my 5th gen G19 as well. Not any big deal to me, I figured the barrel to slide being tighter on the 5th gen was to blame. Hasn't effected accuracy, my 5th gen is extremely accurate with all weights and brands of ammo.

7 and 12 yards
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[GJM]

All in all, so far it sure seems like Glock did a good job with the Gen 5 release.

[Coal Train]

If anyone is interested in the APEX failure resistant extractor for the Gen 5 Glocks it appears APEX has updated their item description to note that the Gen 3 extractor (102-104) is compatible with the Gen 5 models.

Works with the Gen 3 9mm Glock pistols (Glock models 17, 18, 19, 34) AND Gen 5 9mm Glock pistols (Glock models 17, 19). Designed and tested with Glock factory slide and barrel only. Not tested to work with any caliber except for 9mm.
https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/191891

[Trukinjp13]

If anyone is interested in the APEX failure resistant extractor for the Gen 5 Glocks it appears APEX has updated their item description to note that the Gen 3 extractor (102-104) is compatible with the Gen 5 models.

https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/191891

This is good news. But hopefully not necessary.


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[RJ]

Any of y'all Glockofiles know when the non-black (e.g. green etc) models usually come out after a new release?

[Wake27]

Any of y'all Glockofiles know when the non-black (e.g. green etc) models usually come out after a new release?

My guess is five years along with the MOS and FS models.


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[Beat Trash]

I picked up a blue label Glock 19.5 with the factory installed Ameribold sights. These are the same sights that I've been using on my get 4 Glock 19's for a while.

Work and life has prevented me from getting to the range to shot the new gun. Hopefully later this week. But after dry firing this new pistol and getting a feel for the factory trigger, I'm excited and hopeful.

As boring as it may sound on on a gun forum, I'm hopeful that I can be satisfied with this gun in it's stock condition. I would love a carry gun that after purchasing it, all that was needed was to lube it, load it and shoot it. This Glock 19.5 may be that gun. If so, it will be the gun that carries me into retirement.

[Trukinjp13]

I picked up a blue label Glock 19.5 with the factory installed Ameribold sights. These are the same sights that I've been using on my get 4 Glock 19's for a while.

Work and life has prevented me from getting to the range to shot the new gun. Hopefully later this week. But after dry firing this new pistol and getting a feel for the factory trigger, I'm excited and hopeful.

As boring as it may sound on on a gun forum, I'm hopeful that I can be satisfied with this gun in it's stock condition. I would love a carry gun that after purchasing it, all that was needed was to lube it, load it and shoot it. This Glock 19.5 may be that gun. If so, it will be the gun that carries me into retirement.

Where did you find the ameriglo bold sights at? Have not seen the rear to go with the front.


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[Beat Trash]

They were factory installed on the blue label gun that I bought.

The ones I've used previously were actually the Ameriglo Spartans (?). So I may have misspoke. I haven't measured the sights with a caliper to compare what I've been installing on my older Glocks to what came in the new gun. But to the eye, they look identical.

[RJ]

Shot about 150 rounds out of a friends G19G5 today at an outdoor range.

Gun was stock except for some stippling and a light undercut. It had the M backstrap, and was equipped with the Ameriglo Bold sights.

Ammo was a mix of AE124, Speer GD124, Federal HST147 and Freedom 115 (I think).

I had zero FTF. All rounds ejected to my right to 4 o clock.

Comparison with VP9

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Front sights:

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Grip felt fine. I never noticed the cut out, at all. I had no slide bite.

First ten rounds, 3 yards:

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I shot 'Find Your Level' next, got 8/10 from 3 yards, typical for me out of my VP9:

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Then 'The Test', 10 yards 10 sec 10 rounds:

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The other three rounds were below paper. So, shooting low for me using a top of edge sight picture. Subsequent to this is used a shoot the dot picture.

I tried a couple B8s at 25 yards. Best was 78-1X:

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I then shot a number of single rounds to diagnose my low right, comments on
which I will put in my training log.

All in all, I was very impressed.

Thoughts, in no particular order:

- Recoil felt very soft. Very soft.

- The trigger felt very un Glock like. Nothing like a Staplegun.

Just a press to the wall then a curious rolling break. Much less crisp than my VP9. But easy to either stage or press through (I did both).

- It actually fit in my Mitch Rosen Upper Limit P30SK holster with no problems.

- Size wize seems ok for me to carry.

- Ameriglo sights were easy to pick up.

- 'Glock' Grip angle was a nonissue.

- I was glad the cut out did not bug me. In fact I didn't even notice it.

Many thanks to MSparks909 for hosting me for the day. Much appreciated!

[Trukinjp13]

They were factory installed on the blue label gun that I bought.

The ones I've used previously were actually the Ameriglo Spartans (?). So I may have misspoke. I haven't measured the sights with a caliper to compare what I've been installing on my older Glocks to what came in the new gun. But to the eye, they look identical.

Okay I was referring to your older gen Glock. Because I can not find gen 5 rear.


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[Kirk]

Had a weird question. I have a RTF2 Vickers G19, and have considered adding an aftermarket barrel to it. Instead though, based on what I've read regarding the new Gen 5 barrels, they can achieve 1.5" at 25 yards with solid ammo. Does anyone know if I'd get the same type of accuracy benefits with a Gen 5 barrel in my RTF2? Wasn't sure if the barrel was improved due to specific fitting on the Gen 5, or if it is simply a better barrel.

[MSparks909]

Are factory Gen 5 barrels even available yet? The locking blocks *might* be the same between the Gen 3/4/5 19s. I'm not sure. I know the locking block on the G5 17 is different (same as the G5 19 now). You would have to run a recoil spring adapter in order to run a Gen 5 19 barrel in your gun.

It would be much easier to just get a KKM barrel and call it good.

[Mjolnir]

If anyone is interested in the APEX failure resistant extractor for the Gen 5 Glocks it appears APEX has updated their item description to note that the Gen 3 extractor (102-104) is compatible with the Gen 5 models.

https://store.apextactical.com/WebDirect/Products/Details/191891

I installed them on both of my 19s immediately. I know firsthand that they work.

I meant to call them and let them know it seems to work fine.

Thanks, though.


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[echo5charlie]

Had a weird question. I have a RTF2 Vickers G19, and have considered adding an aftermarket barrel to it. Instead though, based on what I've read regarding the new Gen 5 barrels, they can achieve 1.5" at 25 yards with solid ammo. Does anyone know if I'd get the same type of accuracy benefits with a Gen 5 barrel in my RTF2? Wasn't sure if the barrel was improved due to specific fitting on the Gen 5, or if it is simply a better barrel.

As posted in the accuracy thread: The Gen5 barrel hood isn't compatible with your slide.

[Craw]

Did we ever come to a consensus as to the width of the front/rear sights on the Ameriglo models? I've read conflicting reports for both.

[JTPHD]

Has anyone experienced problems with the ambi slide release as a left handed shooter using a high support grip? The Gen 5s are scarce in my area, just wondering if this is an issue before I order online.

[RJ]

Has anyone experienced problems with the ambi slide release as a left handed shooter using a high support grip? The Gen 5s are scarce in my area, just wondering if this is an issue before I order online.

Lefty here. I posted earlier up thread after approx 150 rounds out of a G19G5 today. No issues with the ambi slide release.

But to be honest I don't / didn't use it. I overhand Rack, and only use the slide release as a stop to lock the slide to the rear when needed.

[JTPHD]

Lefty here. I posted earlier up thread after approx 150 rounds out of a G19G5 today. No issues with the ambi slide release.

But to be honest I don't / didn't use it. I overhand Rack, and only use the slide release as a stop to lock the slide to the rear when needed.

Thanks for your feedback, Rich!

[RJ]

Thanks for your feedback, Rich!

Glad to help.

As a lefty, one further point, the left mag release was workable as well. I'm about as far away from high speed low drag as you can get, but I felt fairly comfortable I could do mag changes at least as fast as with the paddles on my VP9 with the Gen 5 after the couple hour range session.

If I did get a Glock, I would likely investigate swapping the mag release over and see if I could operate it (with my left thumb I guess?) but with size M hands I'm not optimistic,

Anyway, back to the Gen 5: the gun I shot had the Ameriglo Bold front sights. As a novice I found the front sight fairly easy to pick up, especially going from low ready. I like the color; my P30SK and VP9 both have front sights painted with Bright Orange Painter's Pen so it was very much something I was used to.

At the end of the session I was working on a useful trigger press Drill suggested by MSparks909, which shows I must have been fairly comfortable with the gun. I think I ended up shooting 8/10 on a 8 ring sized steel plate at 25 yards, which for me is fantastic. The gun was very easy to shoot.

[RJ]

My barrel looks almost just like that at 1550 rounds. Seems to be the norm on the 17 Gen 5's. Not sure of the cause but it's more wear than typically seen on earlier gens at this round count.

Is anyone with relatively high Round counts (more than 2k?) on a Gen 5 Glock 19 seeing this type of wear?

[Trukinjp13]

Did we ever come to a consensus as to the width of the front/rear sights on the Ameriglo models? I've read conflicting reports for both.

Pretty sure it is a .160 rear and .140 front.


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[NGP]

I know the locking block on the G5 17 is different (same as the G5 19 now)

So does this mean it ~may~ be possible to mod a gen5 17 frame to accept a 19 slide now?

[Trukinjp13]

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[MSparks909]

So does this mean it ~may~ be possible to mod a gen5 17 frame to accept a 19 slide now?

It would *probably* work, but don't quote me on that. Might try swapping slides next time I'm at the range between my 17 & 19 G5 to see what happens.

[GJM]

To me, the most significant dimension difference between PX4C and 19, is the Beretta is sloped at the rear of the slide enhancing concealment, where the blocky rear of the Glock provides a lot more sight radius.

[NGP]

It would *probably* work, but don't quote me on that. Might try swapping slides next time I'm at the range between my 17 & 19 G5 to see what happens.

Thanks for the insight! It would be nice if it worked, a commander sized glock would be as close as you could get to one gun that can do it all, for my needs at least.

[RJ]

Total noob here but I shot a G19G5 the other day with the Ameriglo sights and it was shooting really low (6"-12" at 15 yds ish) for me.

That was with a 'shoot the dot' hold.

GJM commented in the sight-specific thread about the .200 front needing to be .165:

Ameriglo FBI Glock Contract Sights

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=18787&share_tid=22627&share_pid=662686&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpistol-forum%2Ecom%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D662686&share_type=t

I'm still using my fingers and toes for math :), but a shorter front sight would raise POI, right?

Have any of you with the Ameriglo stock sights seen a similar 'shooting low' effect of these sights with the G19G5 or G17G5?

[Coal Train]

Yes, my experience with my G19.5 with the Ameriglo sights is similar

[GJM]

Total noob here but I shot a G19G5 the other day with the Ameriglo sights and it was shooting really low (6"-12" at 15 yds ish) for me.

That was with a 'shoot the dot' hold.

GJM commented in the sight-specific thread about the .200 front needing to be .165:

Ameriglo FBI Glock Contract Sights

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=18787&share_tid=22627&share_pid=662686&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpistol-forum%2Ecom%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D662686&share_type=t

I'm still using my fingers and toes for math :), but a shorter front sight would raise POI, right?

Have any of you with the Ameriglo stock sights seen a similar 'shooting low' effect of these sights with the G19G5 or G17G5?

A standard Ameriglo Pro Glo front is .165, so a .200 front would cause the pistol to shoot considerably low. Unless they changed the rear sight dimension, a .200 is just too tall. In a set I got from Glock, the front was .200 and the pistol shot low. Gabe bought two sets off eBay, from the link posted on PF, and his front was too tall as well. Rich, you need a shorter front sight or taller rear to lower POI.

[El Cid]

Total noob here but I shot a G19G5 the other day with the Ameriglo sights and it was shooting really low (6"-12" at 15 yds ish) for me.

That was with a 'shoot the dot' hold.

GJM commented in the sight-specific thread about the .200 front needing to be .165:

Ameriglo FBI Glock Contract Sights

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=18787&share_tid=22627&share_pid=662686&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpistol-forum%2Ecom%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D662686&share_type=t

I'm still using my fingers and toes for math :), but a shorter front sight would raise POI, right?

Have any of you with the Ameriglo stock sights seen a similar 'shooting low' effect of these sights with the G19G5 or G17G5?

What weight bullet were you shooting? The Feds use 147gr duty rounds which impact higher than 115gr. I've seen a difference of 5 or 6 inches in elevation at 25 yards.

[El Cid]

Rich, you need a shorter front sight or taller rear to lower POI.
That would raise POI. ;)

[GJM]

That would raise POI. ;)

Thx for catching my happy fingers as I ran out the door to a USPSA match.

[El Cid]

Thx for catching my happy fingers as I ran out the door to a USPSA match.

Lol! I knew you knew better. I sat here with my fingers as sights double checking several times before I posted.

[RJ]

What weight bullet were you shooting? The Feds use 147gr duty rounds which impact higher than 115gr. I've seen a difference of 5 or 6 inches in elevation at 25 yards.

Hmm a mix of HST 147, Speer GD 124 standard pressure, American Eagle 124 and Freedom 115.

The 8/10 on the small (6"?) round steel plate at 25 yds at the end of my session was with the Freedom.

I guess the real question (which is on me and the way I shoot) is whether to buy a base model with the dovetail protectors or to get one with the Ameriglo sights. I think I'd just get the plastic sights and paint them black / orange and get on with shooting.

[HCM]

Hmm a mix of HST 147, Speer GD 124 standard pressure, American Eagle 124 and Freedom 115.

The 8/10 on the small (6"?) round steel plate at the end of my session was with the Freedom.

I guess the real question (which is on me and the way I shoot) is whether to buy a base model with the dovetail protectors or to get one with the Ameriglo sights. I think I'd just get the plastic sights and paint them black / orange and get on with shooting.

Heresy ! At least spring for $30 defoors .... ;-)

[willie]

Can anybody explain what engineering steps Glock used to increase accuracy in the Gen 5? Of course barrel lock up at muzzle and breech ends would be a main reason. I'm perplexed how they achieved such in products known for generous tolerances. I wonder if dwell time was altered.

[HCM]

Total noob here but I shot a G19G5 the other day with the Ameriglo sights and it was shooting really low (6"-12" at 15 yds ish) for me.

That was with a 'shoot the dot' hold.

GJM commented in the sight-specific thread about the .200 front needing to be .165:

Ameriglo FBI Glock Contract Sights

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=18787&share_tid=22627&share_pid=662686&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpistol-forum%2Ecom%2Fshowpost%2Ephp%3Fp%3D662686&share_type=t

I'm still using my fingers and toes for math :), but a shorter front sight would raise POI, right?

Have any of you with the Ameriglo stock sights seen a similar 'shooting low' effect of these sights with the G19G5 or G17G5?

So I've been dipping in the Gen 5 pond the past month or so.

I pre ordered a blue label G19.5 with the Ameribold sights. It shoots POA/ POI with a "#3" / drive the dot hold and 115 and 124 grain ammo. No issues with reliability or the mag cut out on the front strap.

While picking up the 19.5 I had a moment of weakness and picked up a blue label 17.5 with plastic Glock sights aka "dovetail protectors" since they were what was in stock. At the time, I failed to notice the rear sight was all the way to the right on the 17.5.
I was worried this was necessary to zero the gun but it actually shot to the right. After centering the rear sight it was dead on POA/POI.

Apparently many Gen 5's with the plastic sights are coming from the factory with the rear sights off center / not zeroed, enough that there is a thread over on M4C regarding this issue.

Continuing the Gen 5 fervor, I picked up a Used 19.5 with plastic sights from another LGS. They advised a customer bought it new and traded it in soon after. I soon found out why. The gun shoots quite low. About 2"-3" low at 7 yards with POI getting progressively lower as distance increases - similar to what Rich reported.

I am debating sending it back to Glock or just throwing a set of Dawson adjustables or an RDS in a dovetail type mount on it.

17.5. as it came out of the box.

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[steve]

HCM, My Blue label 17 Gen 5 rear sight looked exactly like yours out of the box. I replaced it with an ameriglo blacked out rear and it shoots fine. My 19 Gen 5 was centered out of the box.

[Crews]

Any thoughts on how the Gen 5 does as a candidate for a 17 to 19 grip chop? I am assuming that it's just like any of the previous generations, just checking. I was holding off on the Gen 3 I have because it would still have the finger grooves, perhaps this solves my problem!


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[JSGlock34]

What weight bullet were you shooting? The Feds use 147gr duty rounds which impact higher than 115gr. I've seen a difference of 5 or 6 inches in elevation at 25 yards.

For what it's worth, my GEN 19.5 with .200 Ameriglos appear appropriately regulated for 147 grain at 25 yards with a 'split the bull' hold. Ammo was Speer G2.


Can anybody explain what engineering steps Glock used to increase accuracy in the Gen 5? Of course barrel lock up at muzzle and breech ends would be a main reason. I'm perplexed how they achieved such in products known for generous tolerances. I wonder if dwell time was altered.

I think the barrel lock up enhancements haven't really changed from GEN4 to GEN5. The introduction of the dual spring RSA to the GEN4 had already produced accuracy improvements when comparing the GEN4 to the GEN3. I don't think the G19 RSA has changed from GEN4/GEN5, though the 17.5 RSA is a touch longer due to the common locking block. The GEN5 'Marksman' barrel with the recessed target crown and revised rifling appears most responsible for the increase in accuracy. The improved trigger is another factor to consider from a practical vice mechanical standpoint.

[HCM]

For what it's worth, my GEN 19.5 with .200 Ameriglos appear appropriately regulated for 147 grain at 25 yards with a 'split the bull' hold. Ammo was Speer G2.



I think the barrel lock up enhancements haven't really changed from GEN4 to GEN5. The introduction of the dual spring RSA to the GEN4 had already produced accuracy improvements when comparing the GEN4 to the GEN3. I don't think the G19 RSA has changed from GEN4/GEN5, though the 17.5 RSA is a touch longer due to the common locking block. The GEN5 'Marksman' barrel with the recessed target crown and revised rifling appears most responsible for the increase in accuracy. The improved trigger is another factor to consider from a practical vice mechanical standpoint.

The new coil spring for the slide lock seems stronger than the old flat spring and may contribute to the lock up on the Gen5's as well. Definitely requires a bit more force during field stripping.

[Trukinjp13]

Alright here is my initial review on her. Have been waiting on sights to shoot her.

I really like the gun. Recoil is soft and she seems accurate. It was raining like a motha. So this was not the best conditions. Ejection was good. I shot with the factory mags and magpul mags. No failures. Ejection did seem different between magazines. Magpul were harder to load 15 rounds. Brand new out of box. For those that care. Magpul mags were also taller. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/9688b172a34d753ca8da59e7afc609d7.jpg



Installed sights. Semi px4cc sights picture.
.120 front and .150 rear
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Shot her mostly at 7 yards. 100 rounds 147 grain speer lawman tmj.


First 45 rounds
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Next 30 rounds
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This was 4-5 shot groups at 7 yards in order of shooting
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This was at 15 yards. I barely shoot past ten. I totally pulled one bad. For reference. 4 inch circle 1/2 inch square inside.
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Coming from a p-10c and a px4cc I am very happy. Best I have shot a Glock. The rolling trigger is money for me. Very clean and a good reset. Sights hit poa/poi. They were standard height ameriglos. I really liked the sights on the px4cc so I tried to somewhat copy them. I know that is only 100 rounds sorry. Shooting was done out of a safariland 7737 lightbearing holster with tlr-1




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[Mjolnir]

The FBI Contract sight has a U-notch rear that is 0.165" wide.


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[vandal]

Shot my Gen 5 G19 yesterday for the first time. Federal American Eagle 147gr and 147gr HST. No BTF but I noticed a good number of the rounds went straight up.

All my other Glocks are Gen 3 except for the 43. The Gen 5 stays pretty flat in recoil, I guess due to the dual recoil spring. Very nice.

Trigger is different from what I'm used to with the Gen 3. I'd say slightly heavier but more predictable.

[Morbidbattlecry]

Just went out and put close to 150 S&B 115gr (on why not 150 later) rounds through my 17.5. Ejection was good. I had one fly up and bounce off the right side of my cap. It seemed fairly accurate. Almost as accurate as my 17.3 with a Wilson barrel. I did a 25 cent trigger job and i couldn't feel very much of a difference. I have a 3.5 connector on order to see if it does anything. If it doesn't it won't bother me. I also have a HRED from White sound incoming. I put that in all my Glocks anyways.

Current upgrades are: Trijicon HDs Orange outline. Pearce Grip plug and Grip force adaptor. A note on the Grip force Adaptors. The Longer GFA will only fit one the small grip size. The shorter one will only fit on the grip with the medium backstrap. I also have a Plain jane G-code holster that works great for it. Order time was like 1 week from order placed to front door.

Also if you happen to notice that your gun is shooting low after installing new sights. Make sure you didn't happen to forget to put thread locker on the screw. I after seeing my sight flipping around i thought it was a good time to call it a day.

[willie]

Thank you. That was a good explanation.

[RJ]

Heresy ! At least spring for $30 defoors .... ;-)

Ha!

I like the Dawson concept as well, where they will exchange sights for you to dial in POI.

Eh I dunno, I think maybe I should take the $100 or whatever on fancy sights and use it towards a case of ammo or part of a training class.

I already have the Black and Bright Orange paint pens from WalMart. :cool:

[Trukinjp13]

Ha!

I like the Dawson concept as well, where they will exchange sights for you to dial in POI.

Eh I dunno, I think maybe I should take the $100 or whatever on fancy sights and use it towards a case of ammo or part of a training class.

I already have the Black and Bright Orange paint pens from WalMart. :cool:

Spent 65$ on ameriglos.


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[Kyle Reese]

Anyone know where I can source a 17.5 RSA?

[spinmove_]

Ha!

I like the Dawson concept as well, where they will exchange sights for you to dial in POI.

Eh I dunno, I think maybe I should take the $100 or whatever on fancy sights and use it towards a case of ammo or part of a training class.

I already have the Black and Bright Orange paint pens from WalMart. :cool:

You may have black and orange paint pens, but colors aren’t going to make the plastic sights not weak and unreliable garbage. At the very least spring for AmeriGlo Defoors. Inexpensive, durable, and ready to be colored (or not colored) to your heart’s content.

As much as I’d love Dawson sights to be nitrided, I’ll probably just simply look no further than them for all future sight purchases. Having a fiber front to otherwise totally black sights is most definitely worth the price of admission.


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[HCM]

Ha!

I like the Dawson concept as well, where they will exchange sights for you to dial in POI.

Eh I dunno, I think maybe I should take the $100 or whatever on fancy sights and use it towards a case of ammo or part of a training class.

I already have the Black and Bright Orange paint pens from WalMart. :cool:

What Spinmove said. The plastic Glock sights are fragile and are easily chewed up or displaced in use.

The Defoors get you a solid set of steel sights you can paint to your hearts contrnt for < $40 if you shop around.

Dawson's are cool too. You should arrange to swing by their shop next time you come through central TX. They are an hour north of Austin. There is some good BBQ in the vicinity.

[JSGlock34]

My G17.5 is up to 563 problem free rounds. I put an extra set of Trijicon HD XRs on it for now, but I have a set of the Ameriglo FBI sights on the way.

I'm tempted to put a red dot on one of these. I think a 17.5 would be a terrific USPSA Carry Optics gun between the accuracy enhancements, the flat recoil, and the built-in magwell.

[Nephrology]

My G17.5 is up to 563 problem free rounds. I put an extra set of Trijicon HD XRs on it for now, but I have a set of the Ameriglo FBI sights on the way.

I'm tempted to put a red dot on one of these. I think a 17.5 would be a terrific USPSA Carry Optics gun between the accuracy enhancements, the flat recoil, and the built-in magwell.

This has probably been discussed at least once in this thread, but how does the recoil of the gen 5s compare to equivalent model Gen 4s?

I've definitely noticed much flatter recoil in my Gen 4 vs Gen 3 pistols, curious to hear if there is an equivalent change in the gen 5s.

[HCM]

My G17.5 is up to 563 problem free rounds. I put an extra set of Trijicon HD XRs on it for now, but I have a set of the Ameriglo FBI sights on the way.

I'm tempted to put a red dot on one of these. I think a 17.5 would be a terrific USPSA Carry Optics gun between the accuracy enhancements, the flat recoil, and the built-in magwell.

I was thinking of trying a dueck defense mount based on Voodo mans positive experience with them. Hopefully RCS will release a Balor for the Gen 5.

[JSGlock34]

I think the GEN5 guns seem to track a touch flatter than their GEN3/GEN4 counterparts. That's my perception - I don't have any timer data to support that yet. I can't think of any reason why that would be in the 19, considering the RSA is the same. If there is a difference it's a small one for sure.

[RJ]

There is some good BBQ in the vicinity.

Now you have my attention. :)

[WobblyPossum]

1400 rounds through my 19-5 so far. The last 750 have been with Glock OEM magazines. I haven’t had any functional issues since I put the Magpul magazines away.

My last time at the range I did some slow fire groups at small targets at 15 and 20y and found my gun with the Ameriglo BOLD sights shoots low with 115gr ammo too. Not drastically low but an inch or two at 15y. I’ll try shooting B8s at 25y using a drive the dot sight picture next time out to see what happens.


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[Mjolnir]

I think the GEN5 guns seem to track a touch flatter than their GEN3/GEN4 counterparts. That's my perception - I don't have any timer data to support that yet. I can't think of any reason why that would be in the 19, considering the RSA is the same. If there is a difference it's a small one for sure.

I've *READ* that the RSA's are different.

Maybe someone here can chime in.


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[HopetonBrown]

Ha!

I like the Dawson concept as well, where they will exchange sights for you to dial in POI.

Eh I dunno, I think maybe I should take the $100 or whatever on fancy sights and use it towards a case of ammo or part of a training class.

I already have the Black and Bright Orange paint pens from WalMart. :cool:A gun needs sights, bro.

[JSGlock34]

I've *READ* that the RSA's are different.

Maybe someone here can chime in.


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The 17 RSA certainly is different.

[Coal Train]

This has probably been discussed at least once in this thread, but how does the recoil of the gen 5s compare to equivalent model Gen 4s?

I've definitely noticed much flatter recoil in my Gen 4 vs Gen 3 pistols, curious to hear if there is an equivalent change in the gen 5s.
My perception is that the Gen 5 has slightly more recoil. The difference is slight and is probably due to the finger grooves fitting my hand.

[JBP55]

My perception is that the Gen 5 has slightly more recoil. The difference is slight and is probably due to the finger grooves fitting my hand.

My perception is just the opposite.

[Leroy Suggs]

My perception is there is no difference.

[Jared]

Traded my way into a 17 today. Would have preferred a 19, but decided to go with what they had, it was a slight preference for the 19 anyway. I'll have a range report in a couple weeks hopefully. In the store, the trigger was great, and I swear the plastic front sight was thinner than they used to be as I saw more light on either side of it than I normally do, but I know that had to be an inaccurate perception.

Something else I noticed, I was able to feel the frame flex a good bit when I gripped it hard. I'd never really noticed that on a Glock before, but it could have been another one of those things that always happens and I just never picked up on it before.

[EJO]

I've *READ* that the RSA's are different.

Maybe someone here can chime in.


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They most definitely are. Even the gen5 G19 has a different RSA. Mine is stamped 1-7. Factory gen4 G19 use a 0-4-3 RSA

[Greg Bell]

I picked up a 19 yesterday. So far so good. 20o rounds Winchester white box, fifty rounds wolf and 8 rounds gold dots. No erratic ejection, something I detest and have almost no tolerance for. On the timer I am faster with my P10c , but that is surely because I have been shooting guns with conventional grip angles the last few years.

I also noticed I was faster than with my gen 3 g17, but I think that too can be chalked up the more extreme Glock hump in the 17.

I noticed no difference in recoil characteristics between the cz and the Glock. Both are a little twitchy compared to my 92G-sd, but are pretty good.

Honestly, There is little fdifference between the trigger in this gun and my broken in gen 3. I think most of the talk about the triggers is new gun syndrome.

All in all I am pleased. I did a lot off 666 drills and I could not reproduce the problem with the magazine cutouts upon reloading. Worked great for me.

I do think the mismatch in the bevel at the front of the slide and frame is cheesy, but I noticed something similar in the new m&p compact so I am going to file it under nit pickery.

Next up, night sights.

[GJM]

[QUOTE=Greg Bell;663

Honestly, There is little fdifference between the trigger in this gun and my broken in gen 3. I think most of the talk about the triggers is new gun syndrome.
[/QUOTE]

A broken in Gen 3 trigger is a good thing, and not the relevant comparison.

[Trukinjp13]

I shot 100 more rounds of lawman 147 grn through her. Also shot 35 rounds of 147 +p hst and 25 rounds of 124 +p hst. So far so good. Really like the trigger. First shot reminds a lot of a light da. Rolling break. Liking the gun more and more. Front sight came loose (should have let loctite sit when i first put em on) which ended the range session. Left the tool at home.

Kinda want to get her milled for a red dot. Feel like I could do some serious work long range with her. But practically speaking inside ten good sights will work I believe.


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[RJ]

A gun needs sights, bro.

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[critter]

Quick question.. I apologize as I'm sure this must have been asked already, searches and manual reading scans of this thread didn't find it for me.

Is the grip size the same as the Gen 4 (spaces between the groves) or did they return to more like the Gen 3 size? Can't find one of these anywhere near me to actually grab on to.

[critter]

Thanks, and thanks for understanding my ill worded question considering the grooves would actually be the spaces...:cool:

[Gio]

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I've seen this meme, and it makes no sense to me :p. I mean, I get what they're trying to convey, but nothing will ruin how a pistol shoots for you more than terrible sights. I don't just mean cheap plastic sights either...if you get the wrong ratio of front width to rear width or poi elevation is significantly off, it can really negatively impact your ability to hit low percentage shots quickly.

[spinmove_]

I've seen this meme, and it makes no sense to me :p. I mean, I get what they're trying to convey, but nothing will ruin how a pistol shoots for you more than terrible sights. I don't just mean cheap plastic sights either...if you get the wrong ratio of front width to rear width or poi elevation is significantly off, it can really negatively impact your ability to hit low percentage shots quickly.

I’m finding, at least personally, it doesn’t matter how tight the sight picture is so much as elevation being off. My shots being way high or way low at distance is far worse than notch to post ratio.


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[45dotACP]

I've seen this meme, and it makes no sense to me :p. I mean, I get what they're trying to convey, but nothing will ruin how a pistol shoots for you more than terrible sights. I don't just mean cheap plastic sights either...if you get the wrong ratio of front width to rear width or poi elevation is significantly off, it can really negatively impact your ability to hit low percentage shots quickly.Not to derail to heavily...but what sort of sights are your preference?

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[Joe Mac]

I’m finding, at least personally, it doesn’t matter how tight the sight picture is so much as elevation being off. My shots being way high or way low at distance is far worse than notch to post ratio.


I've been using Ameriglo .140 front and .180 rear for the past five years, and I recently installed a .150 rear on my duplicate G17 as a test -- to see if I could shoot tighter slow-fire groups at 25 yards with the narrower notch... Nope! Not a lick of difference in accuracy, and the wider notch serves me better at speed. My eye just likes elbow room around the front sight.

[JBP55]

I've been using Ameriglo .140 front and .180 rear for the past five years, and I recently installed a .150 rear on my duplicate G17 as a test -- to see if I could shoot tighter slow-fire groups at 25 yards with the narrower notch... Nope! Not a lick of difference in accuracy, and the wider notch serves me better at speed. My eye just likes elbow room around the front sight.

Try a smaller .115 or .125 front with the .150 rear and let us know the results.

[Mjolnir]

Did we ever come to a consensus as to the width of the front/rear sights on the Ameriglo models? I've read conflicting reports for both.

Measured last night:

Front Sight: 0.200" tall; 0.140" wide

Rear: 0.180" wide gap; 0.256" tall.

I meant to measure this some time ago.

Oh, installed a TRIJICON HD XR front post (0.210" height, 0.20" wide with the 0.165" wide U-notch rears.

It will be interesting to see where the POI will be - I'm guessing it will be low up until about 30 yards with 147 grain.


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[spinmove_]

I've been using Ameriglo .140 front and .180 rear for the past five years, and I recently installed a .150 rear on my duplicate G17 as a test -- to see if I could shoot tighter slow-fire groups at 25 yards with the narrower notch... Nope! Not a lick of difference in accuracy, and the wider notch serves me better at speed. My eye just likes elbow room around the front sight.

It’s been a while since I’ve used a front sight wider than .115”. That being said, I find that tighter notches generally don’t slow me down vs a wider notch. If anything, I find that a tighter notch to front sight ratio facilitates using less effort in getting fine sight alignment than a looser ratio. End result is more consistent Precision at distance, particularly at speed.


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[Trukinjp13]

I ordered fbi sights yesterday. Not happy with my current setup. Got the .140 front though. We shall see. Most of my shooting is all done at home. And My flattest/straightest spot is in the 18-20 yard range. Im assuming that since I mostly shoot inside 15 that the .140 will be a benefit.
Also my eyesight does not work the greatest at 25 yards so idk how much a thinner post would really help me. I feel like a rds would be most beneficial to me at distance.


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[Mitch]

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That's interesting.


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[Gray222]

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That's interesting.


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Interesting and completely not true.

But hey, whatever sells their product right?

[Gio]

Not to derail to heavily...but what sort of sights are your preference?

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In a perfect world, I'd go with a .125" front HD style sight with a .140" wide square-notch rear (3 dot tritium) for a combat/duty/carry sight. The HD front is important to me because it allows me to target focus out to about 10-15 yds. I'm not a fan of the U-notches in general, but my duty guns have either Trijicon HD's or these new Ameriglos.

On my competition guns, I have a .115" fiber front with a .125" width black rear.

[M2CattleCo]

Interesting and completely not true.

But hey, whatever sells their product right?

My 19s are using a .250 rear with a.235-.250 front, a 17 would shoot higher than a 19. I think Dawson just lowered the rear sight .010" rather than have a .260-.275" tall front to get zeroed.

[Exiledviking]

In a perfect world, I'd go with a .125" front HD style sight with a .140" wide square-notch rear (3 dot tritium) for a combat/duty/carry sight. The HD front is important to me because it allows me to target focus out to about 10-15 yds. I'm not a fan of the U-notches in general, but my duty guns have either Trijicon HD's or these new Ameriglos.

On my competition guns, I have a .115" fiber front with a .125" width black rear.This THE sight combination I'm searching for. Or as close as I can get.

[spinmove_]

Interesting and completely not true.

But hey, whatever sells their product right?

You know what else would totally sell more product for them? Nitriding their $&@!ing sights!!!


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[Sigfan26]

You know what else would totally sell more product for them? Nitriding their $&@!ing sights!!!


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I can honestly say, for what it costs to nitride sights, I have no idea why every company doesn't.

[spinmove_]

I can honestly say, for what it costs to nitride sights, I have no idea why every company doesn't.

Corrosion resistance, increased hardness, and better blackening of the sights? Why don’t they indeed...


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[newyork]

Late to the game but curious:

Do these take the same holster as the gen4?
Gadget works on these is assume?

[LittleLebowski]

Late to the game but curious:

Do these take the same holster as the gen4?
Gadget works on these is assume?

If we only had a 94 page thread talking about these pistols! ;)

1. Most of the time, sometimes the ambi slide release causes problems.

2. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27754-Gen-5-Glocks-and-the-SCD

[newyork]

If we only had a 94 page thread talking about these pistols! ;)

1. Most of the time, sometimes the ambi slide release causes problems.

2. https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?27754-Gen-5-Glocks-and-the-SCD

Thank you!
I was looking at the daunting 94 page number and thought " where the hell do I find this answer and do I need to take off of work just to find it or...simply ask and get a quick answer?" Think I chose the right path.

[Kirk]

Did a quick search and found nothing - does the Gen 5 fit in an Eidelon?

[vandal]

Having just modified my Eidolon for a Gen 5 G19, yes... it can with just a little dremeling. Otherwise the right side slide release will hang up.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4512/37105768663_28af523fc1_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YwULh8)


Did a quick search and found nothing - does the Gen 5 fit in an Eidelon?

[Kirk]

Having just modified my Eidolon for a Gen 5 G19, yes... it can with just a little dremeling. Otherwise the right side slide release will hang up.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4512/37105768663_28af523fc1_z.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YwULh8)

Thanks for the response? What exactly did you dremel? The 2 notches inside on that side? My Eidelon is set up exactly like yours and it's by far my favorite holster. As dumb as it sounds, I'd have just foregone the G5 if it wouldn't work in the Eidelon

[vandal]

First I had to cut the holster down to the cut line on that side, then add a little divot where the arrow is pointing. Pretty minor.

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Thanks for the response? What exactly did you dremel? The 2 notches inside on that side? My Eidelon is set up exactly like yours and it's by far my favorite holster. As dumb as it sounds, I'd have just foregone the G5 if it wouldn't work in the Eidelon

[Kirk]

Just picked up a Gen 5 G17. The trigger....wow! They finally seem to have gotten it right, at least on my example. It's almost as good as the Zev V4 race connector I run in my Gen 3s. I've added Defoor sights and am going to shoot it A LOT at 25 yards. I may run it in some bullseye matches this year. If it *truly* can consistently shoot 4" at 50 yards, its competitive out of the box.

[lwt16]

One of my coworkers (a southpaw) bought a Gen 5 19 and brought it straight to me to install a set of Warren sights on it.

The Warrens weren't nearly as much trouble as I had read and after just a little bit of stoning on the rear sight, it tapped right in.

So I played around with it and dry fired it some. I agree on the trigger: it's similar to some I have with 3.5 OEM connectors and some polishing. Real nice right out of the box. I like the tapering on the barrel end of the slide.

NOT a big fan of the flared magwell and the gen 2 type cutout for ripping a stuck mag out. I tried some speed reloads with dummy rounds and kept hanging the mag up on that cutout. Got my personal G19 gen 3 out of the safe and it seemingly sucks up the fresh mags......I'm much faster with it than with this Gen 5.

I really miss the finger grooves too.....so the gen 5 19 isn't my cup of tea.

I do plan on shooting this coworker's pistol some once he has fired it. My opinion may change if it shoots real tight at 25 and 50.

Regards.

[scw2]

In a perfect world, I'd go with a .125" front HD style sight with a .140" wide square-notch rear (3 dot tritium) for a combat/duty/carry sight. The HD front is important to me because it allows me to target focus out to about 10-15 yds. I'm not a fan of the U-notches in general, but my duty guns have either Trijicon HD's or these new Ameriglos.

On my competition guns, I have a .115" fiber front with a .125" width black rear.


Do these dimensions change when you have different slide lengths. For example, going from a G26, to G19, to G17 and finally a G34?

[Kirk]

One of my coworkers (a southpaw) bought a Gen 5 19 and brought it straight to me to install a set of Warren sights on it.

The Warrens weren't nearly as much trouble as I had read and after just a little bit of stoning on the rear sight, it tapped right in.

So I played around with it and dry fired it some. I agree on the trigger: it's similar to some I have with 3.5 OEM connectors and some polishing. Real nice right out of the box. I like the tapering on the barrel end of the slide.

NOT a big fan of the flared magwell and the gen 2 type cutout for ripping a stuck mag out. I tried some speed reloads with dummy rounds and kept hanging the mag up on that cutout. Got my personal G19 gen 3 out of the safe and it seemingly sucks up the fresh mags......I'm much faster with it than with this Gen 5.

I really miss the finger grooves too.....so the gen 5 19 isn't my cup of tea.

I do plan on shooting this coworker's pistol some once he has fired it. My opinion may change if it shoots real tight at 25 and 50.

Regards.

Really good stuff, thanks. I realize now why the gunsmith at the gun store may have taken so long to install the Defoors. He had to go in the back (Im assuming to stone the sights).

I'm off work today and have dry fired the gun about an hour so far. For me, the flared magwell has seemed to actually help my reloads vs the Gen 3. I'll have to get it on a timer to confirm.

[HCM]

One of my coworkers (a southpaw) bought a Gen 5 19 and brought it straight to me to install a set of Warren sights on it.

The Warrens weren't nearly as much trouble as I had read and after just a little bit of stoning on the rear sight, it tapped right in.

So I played around with it and dry fired it some. I agree on the trigger: it's similar to some I have with 3.5 OEM connectors and some polishing. Real nice right out of the box. I like the tapering on the barrel end of the slide.

NOT a big fan of the flared magwell and the gen 2 type cutout for ripping a stuck mag out. I tried some speed reloads with dummy rounds and kept hanging the mag up on that cutout. Got my personal G19 gen 3 out of the safe and it seemingly sucks up the fresh mags......I'm much faster with it than with this Gen 5.

I really miss the finger grooves too.....so the gen 5 19 isn't my cup of tea.

I do plan on shooting this coworker's pistol some once he has fired it. My opinion may change if it shoots real tight at 25 and 50.

Regards.

Where do you index the mag on your Glock reloads ? Front. Rear or side of the magwell ?

[HCM]

This past Sunday, I shot my G19.5 number 2, the used one with the plastic sights which shoots low. With Winchester Ranger 147 grain duty ammo and a "drive the dot" sight Picture the group was centered around the bottom edge (6 o'clock) of the black, 1/2 on half below.

Both 19.5 #2 and 17.5 produced groups of about 4" at 25 with me being the limiting factor.

[lwt16]

Really good stuff, thanks. I realize now why the gunsmith at the gun store may have taken so long to install the Defoors. He had to go in the back (Im assuming to stone the sights).

.

It took me less than 30 minutes to remove the plastic sights, lightly stone the rear sight, apply some grease, and brass rod the rear in. The front (embarrassingly) took me longer than usual as I couldn't find one of my front sight tools that has a shallow socket. I had my deeper one and the little hex screw kept backing too far into it.

Plus, aging is killing my vision up close.

The Defoors (if I remember correctly) has those sloped sides on the rear sight and probably require a sight pusher to do the job right. Your guy may have had to fiddle with a pusher too. If he was anywhere in the neighborhood of 30 minutes and it was a clean install (no marring of either the sights or the pistol) that seems about right. If you are like me, I'd rather burn an extra ten minutes applying some electrical tape to the brass rod or slide than do a 15 minute job that looks rough. Since this wasn't my piece, I was extra careful with it.....and that burned an extra minute or two.

Regards.

[lwt16]

Pics of Warrens installed.

[GJM]

Is that rear sight as sharp as it looks?

[lwt16]

Is that rear sight as sharp as it looks?

I didn't get to fondle the gun much as I had too much to do. If I get to fire it today (not looking too good either since nobody showed up to work and this is our only open range day at the job), I'll let you know.

He took a professional class not too long ago and they recommended these sights to him. He's got plenty of money so if they cut into him, he'll probably get me to change them out again. He sold me a pistol dirt cheap so I'll be happy to change them out for him.

[willie]

Great installation job. Now we all know who can handle our sight work.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

Is that rear sight as sharp as it looks?

I have the 3-Dot versions on my current carry 17, yes they are. My stomach can attest to this.

[lwt16]

Great installation job. Now we all know who can handle our sight work.

Just make sure my agency doesn't find out.........

After 18 years of gunsmithing, assembling ARs for guys, and shooting a whole lot (including helping coworkers with the fundamentals when quals come up), winning the shooting award, "Distinguished Expert" insignia...........


They might actually make me a firearms instructor or armorer.

It does make inservice training fun when I have to constantly correct folks teaching stupidity. Or when folks that are supposed to be "experts" at teaching others to shoot can't shoot a decent group themselves, have no teaching skills anyway, and are hostile when asked for help.

But I digress......

[Bucky]

Is that rear sight as sharp as it looks?

A little (I have a few of these). But they ain't got nothing on Trijicon HDs in that regard!

[M2CattleCo]

Is that rear sight as sharp as it looks?

They're pokey. The corners of the notch will stab the hell out of you.

[Kirk]

I have realized that the one or my unicorn of pistols probably does not exist. And if that is the case I would rather find the renaissance man of pistols. The Glock is it as far as I am concerned.


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I agree with this. Initial shooting impressions on mine are extremely positive. Definitely appears more accurate than previous Gens, ejected perfectly (no more BTF is great), and the G17 "fits" my hands better (I'm assuming the lack of finger grooves). I think the G17.5 is the ultimate "one gun." You can carry it with a proper holster, shoot it in bullseye, then shoot it in production division and be very competitive in both. Parts are available everywhere, etc too.

[Mjolnir]

I'd like to thank voo do man for his article on the FBI Contract sights.

It got me ciphering (which is a potentially dangerous thing).

I began removing sights and taking measurements with my dial caliper.

Between that, the AmeriGlo Website and speaking with KEITH TAYLOR of AmeriGlo I "discovered" that for the 9mm/.40 S&W/.357 SIG Models the rear sight (total height which includes the male dovetail) is 0.256".

For the .45 ACP/.45 GAP and 10mm the rear sight total height is 0.271"

The STANDARD front sight height for Glock is 0.165"

The combos will be point of aim-point of impact at 25 yards (depending on ammo, obviously).

As stated before, AmeriGlo has an eBay store (AmeriGlo Factory Direct) and a lot of other sights that are not advertised.

So if you have a question like I did, "Hey, Keith, I have a TRIJICON HD front sight for my Glock 19. What sized rear would be required for that to work (zero between 20 and 25 yds). He calculated 0.391" IIRC and could not help me. And he knew the dimensions of the HD sight.

He also assisted me with my Glock 20. I had to have the thin Lumi-Green front sight (0.125" wide versus 0.140" wide). I also thought 0.180" was way too wide so he found me a 0.150 width notch sight with tritium.

His message to you (I told him I'd relay my experience) is to just call him and he'll guide you as close as possible to the solution you seek.


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[Trukinjp13]

I agree with this. Initial shooting impressions on mine are extremely positive. Definitely appears more accurate than previous Gens, ejected perfectly (no more BTF is great), and the G17 "fits" my hands better (I'm assuming the lack of finger grooves). I think the G17.5 is the ultimate "one gun." You can carry it with a proper holster, shoot it in bullseye, then shoot it in production division and be very competitive in both. Parts are available everywhere, etc too.

I am leaning towards picking up a g17.5 next. I have basically sold out my stuff to move to Glock. Hopefully getting a g43 again also. I have been very happy with my g19 so having a full sized pistol for owb and hd sounds like a good plan.

Also these came in yesterday. Also have a nifty sight tool that came with. I wish I would have ordered these from the start.
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[JSGlock34]

478 rounds through my 19.5 with no issues to report. I'm very pleased with the GEN5 pistols so far. I think the 19.5 will be a great pistol for IDPA's CCP Division.

I know JM Custom Kydex's IWB and AIWB holsters get the most attention around here (and I have a great IWB3 (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?24362-JM-Custom-Kydex-IWB-3&p=648944&viewfull=1#post648944)for my 17.5), but after trying Gio 's JMCK OWB2 I went right out and ordered one. I'm on the skinny side and sometimes the front wing of a pancake holster will stick out from my waistline; the front loop on the OWB2 hugs the contour of my belt line. Great holster - a comfortable and very concealable OWB solution.

https://i.imgur.com/S2LeoW7.jpg

[RJ]

...but after trying Gio 's JMCK OWB2 I went right out and ordered one. I'm on the skinny side and sometimes the front wing of a pancake holster will stick out from my waistline; the front loop on the OWB2 hugs the contour of my belt line. Great holster - a comfortable and very concealable OWB solution.

https://i.imgur.com/S2LeoW7.jpg

Very interested in this OWB solution.

So, this is a JM CK holster? For avoidance of doubt, as they say, is it this one:

http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/OWB-V2.html

Also, is this the ‘high riding’ option?

In terms of holster below the belt, approximately how far does the holster go below the bottom belt edge (I’m trying to work out how much cover garment would be needed.

Thanks!

[Joe Mac]

Very interested in this OWB solution.

So, this is a JM CK holster? For avoidance of doubt, as they say, is it this one:

http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/OWB-V2.html

Also, is this the ‘high riding’ option?

In terms of holster below the belt, approximately how far does the holster go below the bottom belt edge (I’m trying to work out how much cover garment would be needed.

Thanks!

Yes, that's the one. I got one of these a few weeks ago, and have been wearing it daily. Been carrying a G22/17 frequently off-duty for more than 20 years, and this is the best balance of comfort and concealment I've ever used. (I'm a strict OWB guy; I can't stand IWB in any position, due to my big powerlifter's ass and thick torso.. :)).

Mine is the standard ride, drops about 2.5" below the belt at it's lowest, and I wouldn't want it any higher – it tucks in tight to the body while still being comfortable enough to wear all day. Disappears under a hoodie or anything else reasonably baggy. Highly recommended!

[RJ]

Yes, that's the one. I got one of these a few weeks ago, and have been wearing it daily. Been carrying a G22/17 frequently off-duty for more than 20 years, and this is the best balance of comfort and concealment I've ever used. (I'm a strict OWB guy; I can't stand IWB in any position, due to my big powerlifter's ass and thick torso.. :)).

Mine is the standard ride, drops about 2.5" below the belt at it's lowest, and I wouldn't want it any higher – it tucks in tight to the body while still being comfortable enough to wear all day. Disappears under a hoodie or anything else reasonably baggy. Highly recommended!

Thanks very much, good info.

I very much agree on OWB for comfort. My leather Mitch Rosen Upper Limit works extremely well for me for my P30SK. Since I’m considering a G19 G5 to replace it, a good OWB holster is something I’m very interested in.

I wasn’t aware of the JM CK option as an OWB for the G19 but I will look into that for sure.

Couple follow ups?

I wear my MR holster fairly far forward on my belt, almost but not quite in the Appendix position. I’d assume a JM CK OWB would be the zero cant model for the G19 when worn this way?

Is there any height adjustment on thr OWB model?

I suspect 2.5” is probably ok for me, just wanted to check since this is the G19G5 specific thread.

Thanks again!

[Trukinjp13]

Shot her again. I love this pistol. Not happy with my fbi sights though. I need poa/poi first off. And second that front is almost to bright. She is going to atei for a rmr 2 pretty quick here.

Have only shot 147 grn through her. Except for some 124 grn +p. No btf even with very inexperienced shooter. Very accurate and the trigger is perfect for me. Can not believe how much better this is in my hands then a gen 4 was. Biggest gripe would be a undercut. More preference then necessary.

[El Cid]

Shot her again. I love this pistol. Not happy with my fbi sights though. I need poa/poi first off. And second that front is almost to bright. She is going to atei for a rmr 2 pretty quick here.

Have only shot 147 grn through her. Except for some 124 grn +p. No btf even with very inexperienced shooter. Very accurate and the trigger is perfect for me. Can not believe how much better this is in my hands then a gen 4 was. Biggest gripe would be a undercut. More preference then necessary.

I'm curious why you find the front too bright. I find the orange fronts a gift from heaven. Not just for speed but as mentioned by others I can have a threat/target focus. And your red dot will be brighter. ;)

[JSGlock34]

Thanks very much, good info.

I very much agree on OWB for comfort. My leather Mitch Rosen Upper Limit works extremely well for me for my P30SK. Since I’m considering a G19 G5 to replace it, a good OWB holster is something I’m very interested in.

I wasn’t aware of the JM CK option as an OWB for the G19 but I will look into that for sure.

Couple follow ups?

I wear my MR holster fairly far forward on my belt, almost but not quite in the Appendix position. I’d assume a JM CK OWB would be the zero cant model for the G19 when worn this way?

Is there any height adjustment on thr OWB model?

I suspect 2.5” is probably ok for me, just wanted to check since this is the G19G5 specific thread.

Thanks again!

I ordered the quick-ship version; I don't think quick-ship has the ride height option. I also like to put my OWB a bit forward of the hip; I went with the zero cant for this purpose. I've used a RCS Phantom (MD cut) in this position for years.

[Trukinjp13]

I'm curious why you find the front too bright. I find the orange fronts a gift from heaven. Not just for speed but as mentioned by others I can have a threat/target focus. And your red dot will be brighter. ;)

I have ran quite a few of the ameriglo orange front. But they were thinner posts. Something about this sight picture creates a blurred vision picture. My buddy is having identical issues. I also know I am not the only person that has issues with the orange front. A dot may be brighter. But the issue is the giant orange circle. I have had problems in the past when i go out to distance that my focus is screwy with the ameriglo/trijicon orange front. I usually always stayed within like 10-15 yards. But I have been finding myself trying to shoot longer ranges.


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[El Cid]

I have ran quite a few of the ameriglo orange front. But they were thinner posts. Something about this sight picture creates a blurred vision picture. My buddy is having identical issues. I also know I am not the only person that has issues with the orange front. A dot may be brighter. But the issue is the giant orange circle. I have had problems in the past when i go out to distance that my focus is screwy with the ameriglo/trijicon orange front. I usually always stayed within like 10-15 yards. But I have been finding myself trying to shoot longer ranges.


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That's cool. I've used the orange front Ameriglos and Trijicon HD's for 25 yard bulls and steel at 50/100. But I realize everyone's eyes work a little differently

[Trukinjp13]

That's cool. I've used the orange front Ameriglos and Trijicon HD's for 25 yard bulls and steel at 50/100. But I realize everyone's eyes work a little differently

This is going to sound counterintuitive. But if I wanted sights for specifically gunfighting. Idk if I could beat these. As far as out of the holster and on target. They are very very fast. But precision work is brutal on my eyes. I know everyone is different. And it truly bums me out because the sights look so good in practice. But on the range and trying to really focus on what I am doing it is just not working.


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[El Cid]

This is going to sound counterintuitive. But if I wanted sights for specifically gunfighting. Idk if I could beat these. As far as out of the holster and on target. They are very very fast. But precision work is brutal on my eyes. I know everyone is different. And it truly bums me out because the sights look so good in practice. But on the range and trying to really focus on what I am doing it is just not working.


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Not at all - sounds logical to me. I use them for duty sights. My distance shooting is usually to work on fundamentals. I don't shoot slow fire or distance matches.

[HCM]

That is 20 rounds of Winchester 147 at 25 yards with a drive the dot /#3 sight picture from my 19.5 #1 and BOLD sights / .140 front.

The shoot n see is about the size of the 8 ring on a B8.

21074

[Mjolnir]

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TENICOR Holster.

If you're going OWB then you really need to consider them.


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[Sam]

Are the 10 round mags the same design? Anyone try the Gen5 guns with 10 rounders? Sigh, I hate my state.

[Bucky]

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TENICOR Holster.

If you're going OWB then you really need to consider them.


That looks like a really well designed holster.

[Mjolnir]

It truly is.


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[Larry Sellers]

Are the 10 round mags the same design? Anyone try the Gen5 guns with 10 rounders? Sigh, I hate my state.Sam, I had some 4th gen 10 rounders with the #3 followers that fed 147 grain hsts. I've had no issues with previous generation mags in the pistol either. What's state are you in?

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[vandal]

The orange fronts blur out for me as well, both the BOLD and the HD. But the yellow/lime green are fine for my eyes.


I have ran quite a few of the ameriglo orange front. But they were thinner posts. Something about this sight picture creates a blurred vision picture. My buddy is having identical issues. I also know I am not the only person that has issues with the orange front. A dot may be brighter. But the issue is the giant orange circle. I have had problems in the past when i go out to distance that my focus is screwy with the ameriglo/trijicon orange front. I usually always stayed within like 10-15 yards. But I have been finding myself trying to shoot longer ranges.


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[Sam]

Sam, I had some 4th gen 10 rounders with the #3 followers that fed 147 grain hsts. I've had no issues with previous generation mags in the pistol either. What's state are you in?

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Thanks. California. Sigh.

[Bucky]

That looks like a really well designed holster.

Only made for Glocks though?

[ranger]

I live north of Atlanta. Local news just ran a story on the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and Gen 5. The Forsyth County SO traded in their 40 Caliber Glocks (assume G22 not sure if Gen 3 or 4), 40 caliber magazines, and other surplus firearms - ended up paying $3 per new Gen 5 Glock 17 after trade in credits. Showed they were issuing Critical Duty Ammo - looked like 135 but not sure. Could not see which sights. Comment was made that 100% of officers qualified with their new Gen 5 G17 and that scores were improved by 20%. Also noted that 9mm ammo would be cheaper over the course of a year. Good TV news story - well done with some facts and officers all professional. Great job.

[Mjolnir]

Only made for Glocks though?

Unfortunately so and only for the medium frame pistols, too.


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[El Cid]

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TENICOR Holster.

If you're going OWB then you really need to consider them.


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How long have you been using it? I ask because I've broken more belt loops than I can recall when they were made of Kydex. Now I stick with holsters that use injection molded loops.

[ranger]

I live north of Atlanta. Local news just ran a story on the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and Gen 5. The Forsyth County SO traded in their 40 Caliber Glocks (assume G22 not sure if Gen 3 or 4), 40 caliber magazines, and other surplus firearms - ended up paying $3 per new Gen 5 Glock 17 after trade in credits. Showed they were issuing Critical Duty Ammo - looked like 135 but not sure. Could not see which sights. Comment was made that 100% of officers qualified with their new Gen 5 G17 and that scores were improved by 20%. Also noted that 9mm ammo would be cheaper over the course of a year. Good TV news story - well done with some facts and officers all professional. Great job.

http://www.wsbtv.com/video?videoId=628934498&videoVersion=1.0 link to tv segment

[Mjolnir]

How long have you been using it? I ask because I've broken more belt loops than I can recall when they were made of Kydex. Now I stick with holsters that use injection molded loops.

About two months now.

I was thinking at the time: "worst case scenario, critique ALL of your gear".

When it came to holsters it was Chicago screws, loops, molded polymer, LocTite. I wanted a more robust answer.

I think this is it.

That is not my preferred method of carry but there is no need for any loops, fasteners or snaps so it became a "must buy" item.

Their mag carrier is the best I've come across as well.


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[CanineCombatives]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

[RJ]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

I forgot to think about it shooting. Non issue for me.

[HCM]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

Non issue for me and I have XXL hands. The scallop never bothered me on the Gen 2 g19 either.

The mag well / flare itself is just enough so I don't pinch my palm doing speed reloads as with older Gen G19's

[Mitch]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

Non factor for me.

The only issue I’m having is occasional premature lock back. Never had this with a Gen 4, the new slide lock must stick out just enough for me to catch it sometimes. I think I’m going to have to adjust my support hand grip. Only thing I don’t like so far.


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[Trukinjp13]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

I thought it would for sure. 300 plus rounds later never noticed it shooting


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[Texaspoff]

The cutout was a big deal with me on the 2nd gen guns. I carried a couple of second gen G23 when they came out, and the cutout really bothered me on them. I couldn't get out of my 2nd gens when the 3rd gens came out fast enough.

On the 5th Gen, I thought it would be an issue, but hasn't bothered me one bit. The flared magwell sets my pinky finger just far enough to keep the cutout from bothering it at all. I can feel it when holding it, but when shooting, as others have said, I don't notice it at all.

TXPO

[JBP55]

One question for any and all gen5 guys, is the front scallop on the magwell a negative, positive or a non factor?

Shot Gen 3/4/5 and have not noticed any difference in in grip while shooting other than lack of grooves on Gen 5 G17 which I like.

[Trukinjp13]

How many run the beavertail backstrap on? Or has anyone modified the beavertail? As in cut the bottom portion off? I feel like someone mentioned it in this thread but do not remember pics?


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[Jared]

I got to shoot my Gen5 G17 today, along with passing it around to a couple friends. Ran great, ejection was perfect, and we were using aluminum cased Federal ball bought at Walmart.

I sent 5 rounds at a steel silhouette that was 100 yards downrange and got 2 hits. Shot a clean Dot Torture at 5 yards. Ran the Vickers command fire drill with it and was treated to a single big hole at 7 yards.

We all shot quite a few other traditional timed drills like Bill Drills and failure drills and whatnot. I didn't notice the cutout on the front at all while shooting, but I do have Smedium hands.

Overall I like it a lot, even though it really is just a Glock at the end of it all. I think one of my buddies is going to be buying one for himself after shooting mine.

[GJM]

G5 is evolutionary, not revolutionary, and that is just fine by me.

[Jared]

G5 is evolutionary, not revolutionary, and that is just fine by me.

Agreed.

[Kirk]

Any clue if/when there will be a G5 G26?

[HCM]

Any clue if/when there will be a G5 G26?

26/34 are supposed to be next. When ? 6 months was mentioned but who knows?

[Duces Tecum]

26/34 are supposed to be next. When? 6 months was mentioned but who knows?

Shot 2018 seems a possibility.

[Trukinjp13]

Gen 5 g34 sounds like a fun time! Also would really like a fingergrooveless g26


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[pew_pew]

I like my gen 5 19. I like no finger grooves. I think the frame cutout is stupid but I don’t notice it shooting it. I find it very accurate and at my tightest groups at 25 yards on an NRA B8 compared to any other glock. I think the trigger is mushier. It’s like a gen 4 with a minus connector. Not really a fan of that. But it’ll do fine for CC.

Makes me want to pick up a vp9 or ppq though for a sweet trigger. I dunno. And on the CC front kind of want to try a CCP.

[Jared]

Gen 5 g34 sounds like a fun time! Also would really like a fingergrooveless g26


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Gen 5 G34 is on my want list. I'm already going back for a 19gen5. I never really realized how much I disliked the finger grooves til they were gone.

[JBP55]

Gen 5 G34 is on my want list. I'm already going back for a 19gen5. I never really realized how much I disliked the finger grooves til they were gone.

This.

[Trukinjp13]

I like my gen 5 19. I like no finger grooves. I think the frame cutout is stupid but I don’t notice it shooting it. I find it very accurate and at my tightest groups at 25 yards on an NRA B8 compared to any other glock. I think the trigger is mushier. It’s like a gen 4 with a minus connector. Not really a fan of that. But it’ll do fine for CC.

Makes me want to pick up a vp9 or ppq though for a sweet trigger. I dunno. And on the CC front kind of want to try a CCP.

I have owned a vp9 and a p10. I prefer the gen 5 trigger. Imho. I love the rolling break. I always shot a good da better then striker/sa triggers. But I understand the appeal of a light striker trigger for those who like em.


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[M2CattleCo]

Mine is chugging right along, running fine with almost 2K so far.

The only thing I've noticed is that when I fumble a reload it pops a round out of the mag every time. Not sure why.

[GJM]

Mine is chugging right along, running fine with almost 2K so far.

The only thing I've noticed is that when I fumble a reload it pops a round out of the mag every time. Not sure why.

OEM mags?

[JSGlock34]

769 rounds though the G17.5 and 613 rounds through the G19.5 with no issues to report.

I don't notice the scallop on the 19.5 when shooting. I don't have data to back this up, but my impression is that the larger GEN5 magazine floor plates help to prevent pinching your palm during G19 reloads.

[Trukinjp13]

I have basically seen the major malfunction in the gen 5. Is magpul mags, I have been running them. The 15 rounders. Do not have thousands of rounds through them. But right out of the gate I can tell a difference in loading them. The magpuls are definitely stiffer and I would not feel comfortable carrying them. I just wonder if that stiffer spring is wearing down faster. Then causing issues with the guns. I really need to just buy a bunch of gen 5 mags.


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[M2CattleCo]

OEM mags?

Yep.

[M2CattleCo]

I have basically seen the major malfunction in the gen 5. Is magpul mags, I have been running them. The 15 rounders. Do not have thousands of rounds through them. But right out of the gate I can tell a difference in loading them. The magpuls are definitely stiffer and I would not feel comfortable carrying them. I just wonder if that stiffer spring is wearing down faster. Then causing issues with the guns. I really need to just buy a bunch of gen 5 mags.


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The Gen5 won't have anything to do with a Magpul mag failing. They do that on their own. I use 'em quite a bit for training, but wouldn't carry one on a bet.

[GJM]

For the few dollar delta between OEM and Magpul, why use Magpul at all — any stoppage in a carry pistol costs a lot in dollars of ammo to vett, and even more in worry.

[spinmove_]

For the few dollar delta between OEM and Magpul, why use Magpul at all — any stoppage in a carry pistol costs a lot in dollars of ammo to vett, and even more in worry.

Because saving a couple extra bucks on mags that can be dedicated for training and practice only isn’t a bad thing is it?


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[Sigfan26]

For the few dollar delta between OEM and Magpul, why use Magpul at all — any stoppage in a carry pistol costs a lot in dollars of ammo to vett, and even more in worry.


Because saving a couple extra bucks on mags that can be dedicated for training and practice only isn’t a bad thing is it?


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Magpul mags are just over half the cost of factory mags. For training, that’s cool. If your gun runs like a sewing machine with them, even better. I wouldn’t even bother with carry ammo if you plan on them being training mags.


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[M2CattleCo]

They're fine for training mags. They run brass cased round nose fine.

I just snagged 17 of 'em for less than $8/ea shipped, so they're gtg for beaters.

[WobblyPossum]

My 19-5 is 1923 rounds into the 2k round challenge. The last 1300 have been with OEM magazines during which I’ve had no stoppages. I’ll fire off another ~250 or so next weekend including 50 rounds of my current carry load (Federal HST 124gr +P) and then I’ll finally clean it. The trigger is starting to get gritty. At this point, I’m comfortable saying the pistol is reliable enough for carry since my three malfunctions have all been when combining Magpul magazines and Blazer Aluminum cased ammunition.


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[Trukinjp13]

The Gen5 won't have anything to do with a Magpul mag failing. They do that on their own. I use 'em quite a bit for training, but wouldn't carry one on a bet.

Yeah, I did not think it did. Just saying that the malfunctions I have seen came form magpul mags. I would definitely not carry them. And when I bought em I had a optics planet gift card so they were free. And for training they have been fine. I also could not find gen 5 mags at where I normally buy stuff.


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[M2CattleCo]

Any previous gen Glock mag works fine in the Gen5. The floorplate has a little lip on the front and the follower is orange, but they're otherwise identical to the Gen3/4 mags they're making now.

[WobblyPossum]

I’m still going to use the Magpul magazines for practice and training. I just won’t trust them for carry. They’re so much cheaper than the Glock magazines that the malfunctions during practice are worth it to save wear and tear on my OEM magazines.


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[GJM]

How do you know for certain what the cause of any particular malfunction is?

[Gray222]

I have not yet made the transition to carrying magpul mags, but unmodified they have no had any issues - the only issue I have seen is with a Zev extension on a magpul 17 round magazine not functioning properly - had consistent failure to feeds in my gen5 19 last go around, might be the spring, might be the mag, either way it does work well. The 17 round and 21 round magpul mags have given me zero issues or problems with various mags, I would not have an issue carrying with them but the gen5 mags seem to be lightly better designed (I like the extended plate design).

[Trukinjp13]

How do you know for certain what the cause of any particular malfunction is?

I have seen it in one personally, one youtube video and some comments on forums. They stopped running magpul mags and had no problems ever again.


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[WobblyPossum]

How do you know for certain what the cause of any particular malfunction is?

In my case, all three malfunctions my Glock 19-5 has had and every malfunction my 19-3 training gun has had have been with Magpul magazines. I’ve had no issues with Glock magazines using be same ammo that malfunctioned with the Magpuls. If the 19-5 can go through a box of HST using he Glock mags without an issue, I’ll be comfortable carrying.


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[Larry Sellers]

Doe anyone have first hand knowledge or experience with the new Dawson Fiber optic sight set that they created that was designed for the 5th gens?


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[pew_pew]

Doe anyone have first hand knowledge or experience with the new Dawson Fiber optic sight set that they created that was designed for the 5th gens?


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Link?

[Larry Sellers]

Link?https://dawsonprecision.com/new-dawson-precision-glock-gen5-g17-competition-fixed-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

Please remove if linking isn't allowed!

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[Mitch]

Doe anyone have first hand knowledge or experience with the new Dawson Fiber optic sight set that they created that was designed for the 5th gens?


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It looks like just a slightly taller front. My 17.5 did fine with standard defoors, so I don’t know what to make of it.


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[Larry Sellers]

It looks like just a slightly taller front. My 17.5 did fine with standard defoors, so I don’t know what to make of it.


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Thanks

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[Mitch]

Ok, understood. I've got a set inbound to try out.

Thanks

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I’m sure you’ll be fine. Even if they don’t zero for you Dawson will take care of you.


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[JBP55]

https://dawsonprecision.com/new-dawson-precision-glock-gen5-g17-competition-fixed-sight-set-black-rear-fiber-optic-front/

Please remove if linking isn't allowed!

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The new Dawson sights would impact 3" lower at 25 yards than the OEM sights on my Gen 5 G17.

[Larry Sellers]

The new Dawson sights would impact 3" lower at 25 yards than the OEM sights on my Gen 5 G17.Ok, I should have them by weeks end and be able to run them Saturday to see how they do out to 25.

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[RJ]

They're fine for training mags. They run brass cased round nose fine.

I just snagged 17 of 'em for less than $8/ea shipped, so they're gtg for beaters.

1) That’s a good price. I’ve only seen them that low at Midway recently, but they are $9.99:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016432573/magpul-pmag-15-gl9-magazine-glock-19-9mm-luger-15-round-polymer-black

2) I apologize if this was asked up thread, but does anyone know if a normal low-price point Blade Tech OWB open top range holster for a Glock 19 Gen 4 will accept a Gen 5 Glock 19?

[Hot Sauce]

They're fine for training mags. They run brass cased round nose fine.

I just snagged 17 of 'em for less than $8/ea shipped, so they're gtg for beaters.$8? I see $10.

[M2CattleCo]

Hot Sauce

I got them on the EE on another forum.

I'm going to use 'em for reload practice at the indoor range I frequent and see how they hold up.

[Kirk]

It looks like just a slightly taller front. My 17.5 did fine with standard defoors, so I don’t know what to make of it.

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My Defoors are POA/POI at 25 as well. I keep seeing talk of needing a taller front, but yet to hear a definitive answer on it. Curious what impact different ammo is having

[Larry Sellers]

My Defoors are POA/POI at 25 as well. I keep seeing talk of needing a taller front, but yet to hear a definitive answer on it. Curious what impact different ammo is havingWhen I called them to inquire they said "it's because the 5th gens are shipping with a taller front" whether that's true or not in have no idea.

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[JBP55]

When I called them to inquire they said "it's because the 5th gens are shipping with a taller front" whether that's true or not in have no idea.

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Mine has the same height front sight as all previous Glocks.

[Larry Sellers]

Mine has the same height front sight as all previous Glocks.I ordered a set of defoors to toss on it. I'll confirm poa poi with them and then get the same sized Dawson's.

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[M2CattleCo]

My Defoors are POA/POI at 25 as well. I keep seeing talk of needing a taller front, but yet to hear a definitive answer on it. Curious what impact different ammo is having

All three of the Gen5 19s I put 10-8 rears on needed a .250" front for a drive the dot sight picture at 25 yards with 124.

[Sensei]

I put another 50 rounds of 124 grain AE and 25 rounds of 147 grain HST through my 17.5. Feeding continues to be flawless as I approach 600 rounds without cleaning. There were 2 BTFs this time; both with the AE and both on the last round of the magazine.

As for accuracy, I fired it next to one of my VP9s. The 17.5 has Amerigo Spartan Operator sights and the VP9 Trijicon HDs. I fired 10 rounds of 147 grain HST through each off hand at the -0 head of an IDPA target from 25 yards. The 17.5 was 10/10 and the VP9 was 9/10.

[Gray222]

Hit range today, bolds, FBI, defoors, tcaps, .090 front I've got from ameriglo, all poa/poi at 25y.

[GJM]

Gabe bit the bullet and picked up two G5/17 with Ameriglo sights today. :p

[Mike C]

Gabe bit the bullet and picked up two G5/17 with Ameriglo sights today. :p

Didn't think anything could pry the G34's from his hands.

[GJM]

These days, shooting stock guns is like shooting a custom one in times past!