You are against the 14th Amendment? Wow, ok.Originally Posted by shiv
You are against the 14th Amendment? Wow, ok.
I am very surprised to see Canada, Chile, and Peru on that list.
It's a fascinating tidbit about national mindsets. Where did you get the list, HCM?
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"Not being able to govern events, I govern myself." - Michel De Montaigne
http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/upl...n-Gonzalez.pdf
Depending on how you define it there are either 30, or 33 countries which follow Jus Soli. It is mostly a new world / Western Hemisphere phenomenon.
The only two I know of which had it and subsequently eliminated it are Malta, and more in point, India which eliminated in 2004 it due to illegal immigration from neighboring Bangladesh.
Most countries follow Jus Sanguinis or “Law of the Blood” as found in Roman Law.
Last edited by HCM; 02-06-2018 at 09:50 PM.
IAs are not able to get Enployment authorization cards without attaining some lawful status even if it’s temporary.
I think you are referring to ITN Individual Taxpayer ID Numbers which are issued by the IRS. They are supposed to go to aliens lawfully present but not eligible for SSNs such as the spouses of non immigrant workers, students etc. the IRS seems to give them to IAs because, let’s face it, who doesn’t like free tax money ?
I am against illegal immigrants coming here for the sole purpose of having their children here so they can be US citizens. I’m against vacation babies? Are you for that? Wow!
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Last edited by shiv; 02-06-2018 at 10:01 PM.
I follow the Constitution, amended after 600,000 died in a war that made all men citizens. If you are born here, you are a US citizen same as everyone else.
Not really much to argue against there. I personally don't like it. I don't think jumping across the border illegally and popping out a baby is really in the spirit of the law, but it is the Supreme law. They are U.S. Citizens.
You will more often be attacked for what others think you believe than what you actually believe. Expect misrepresentation, misunderstanding, and projection as the modern normal default setting. ~ Quintus Curtius
You conveniently didn’t answer my question.
Are all laws just? Do you think unjust laws should stand?
Do you think the law should allow people to illegally cross our border so that they can give birth in the US? Do you believe people should have birth vacations?
And you wouldn’t follow it if amended again not to allow anchor babies?
The constitution has a means of amending it.
So are you saying the constitution wasn’t worth following before the 14th amendment?
For your opinion to carry any weight, you should easily be able to answer my questions. If you can’t/won’t, I don’t think your opinion holds much water in this conversation.
Perhaps all the anchor babies and illegals will get their way and we won’t have a constitution for you to follow.
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Last edited by shiv; 02-06-2018 at 11:43 PM.
Well, if it is amended, we need to repeal 16 simultaneously, and while we're at it, expand the definition of Treason to include any elected or appointed official lying to We the People
You will more often be attacked for what others think you believe than what you actually believe. Expect misrepresentation, misunderstanding, and projection as the modern normal default setting. ~ Quintus Curtius
That's the hurdle I'm having with the reports of Russian women doing this... I hate to argue against it but we know that the best interests of our nation are definitely not at thought there.
I don't think any amendment or new law would be "right" anyway. Like BBI noted this is just a fun distraction piece as it is politically toxic to the "other". I grew up surrounded by migrant workers in the orchards and I can't criticize their desires or work ethic. Without them there would be a insurmountable labor shortage in Ag.
