You can claim trolling if you want to in an effort to avoid answering the question. I like to use terms like "academic integrity " or "supporting ones claims with cited evidence"... But, if you'd like to avoid providing evidence, just call it trolling and move on to the next "troll" critical of your unsupported facts.
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Most of our discussion took place here: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....lse-dichotomy&
Most of what I have to say about it is already there. We got as far as pretty clearly illustrating that there are potential bad reps/habits/scars that can result from any type of training or related activity, and that multiple training modes and activities need to be utilized to shore up the holes and weaknesses that each of them has - specifically including tactical training. That's when I asked voodoo_man: Why are training scars potentially formed by competitive shooting an insurmountable problem, but those potentially formed by defensive training and dry fire are not?
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The only thing I can add to this thread is that I dry fired and shot a lot before I started competing in IPSC. I also took a lot of pistol classes before I started competing.
I have been competing for just over a year. I still dry fire and shoot a lot and I still take classes. But I am a much better shooter than I was a year ago. The only thing that changed for me was competition. It was like the rose coloured glasses were lifted on my perceptions of my shooting ability.
As the cliche goes: you don't know what you don't know - until you compete.
That's all I have to add. Well, that and I can't wait for PFestivus.
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"Next time somebody says USPSA or IPSC is all hosing, junk punch them." - Les Pepperoni
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Being you drug me into this cluster.....as part of the forum I generally ignore. First....dang that was fast...I likely cannot do it that fast, so, impressive work by Haley. I am always impressed with folks who shoot really well and really fast. Just like lots of things in life watching people do well.
What is funny about GJM bringing me up in this context is because Wayne and I actually shoot a drill exactly like Haley was shooting on the exact same target, but a bit different because we are looking for a different training goal. Starting from a low ready (so we can take the whole gamer holster, concealment versus non, whatever out of the equation) we do that exact same drill with one caveat....the trigger finger cannot come out of register until the sights are aligned on the hostage taker so we are not running both a muzzle and a finger on the trigger over a non-shoot (I mean do we really want to violate BOTH rule 2&3). I went 15 for 15 last Tuesday at an average of .82-.84 with no hits on the hostage or misses. So, minus the draw, that is what we came up with to check all the boxes.
Other folks do different things. It is neat to watch. After years of teaching with Wayne I picked up on something he said on the draw that was "the answer" for me on draw speed and I am now have a replicable guideline for what I am doing.
So...that was the answer on GJM's serious post. You guys should continue to argue about the age old question of WTF is VDM saying.
Also......I am shocked, and I mean totally shocked, that nobody mentioned Haley wearing Woodland camo pants. Talk about serious internet topic and it obviously flew over everyone here's head.....sheeeesh.
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Just a Hairy Special Snowflake supply clerk with no field experience, shooting an Asymetric carbine as a Try Hard. Snarky and easily butt hurt. Favorite animal is the Cape Buffalo....likely indicative of a personality disorder.
"If I had a grandpa, he would look like Delbert Belton".