Glock OEM Performance Trigger

[JSGlock34]

Looks like the long rumored Performance Trigger from Glock that will be announced at SHOT is starting to show up on dealer websites (though not in stock as of yet - search by part number or UPC brings up a number of vendors getting ready for the release). $99 MSRP but selling for 10-20% less. Presents a flat face compared to the traditional trigger shoe. Curious how the various components besides the shoe (trigger bar, connector, spring, coating) may have been altered.

Glock Performance Trigger
Part Number 70272
UPC : 764503053856

The GLOCK™- Performance Trigger delivers enhanced trigger pull qualities and ergonomics utilizing a newly designed flat-faced trigger. The GLOCK Performance Trigger provides better trigger control resulting in improved shootablity and accuracy while maintaining the safety features of the GLOCK Safe Action System

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[GJM]

It is specific to the Gen 5.

[Steve m]

Looks good, any place taking orders?

[MRW]

Looking a pictures and reading what little is available, what is different about it vs a current Gen 5 trigger group other than the trigger shoe?

[RJ]

Would like to see one in person. The TMH looks the same, connector too. This area of the rear of the bar looks different tho:

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I wonder if it affects SCD operation?

[mcgivro]

Would love to know what this brings the pull weight to.

[SW CQB 45]

here is my Gen 5 G19

https://i.imgur.com/ptC7Xqvh.jpg


The round at the back of the trigger bar that contacts the connector is shaped different.

The notch where the drop safety rides seems to be opened up.

The trigger bar has a different cut which exposes the spring.

The middle of the trigger bar seems to be beefier

And the portion that depresses the firing pin safety has a softer shape. (Hoping the ramp on this is smooth and flat, and not jagged/rough)


comparing the two, the new model in the area where it contacts the connector looks completely different.

[GJM]

Looking a pictures and reading what little is available, what is different about it vs a current Gen 5 trigger group other than the trigger shoe?

Lighter pull weight

[ECVMatt]

I'm interested just because I like most things Glock.

To stay on the market, it will have to be a notable improvement over the stock trigger.

I will definitely give one a try and at least initially feel better about one in my gun since it comes from the mothership.

[SW CQB 45]

this is the Gen 5 G19 I yanked the trigger out of.

It probably has one of the best stock Glock triggers I have pressed.

Since this is an issued piece, I can't change anything, but I plan on buying it when I retire.

All it needs to make it perfect for me is an undercut trigger guard and an optic cut.

https://i.imgur.com/Njd2mnyh.jpg

[WDR]

I will admit to being curious about this. Not sure I'll rush out to buy one though. I too am curious how it might interact with an SCD.

[GJM]

this is the Gen 5 G19 I yanked the trigger out of.

It probably has one of the best stock Glock triggers I have pressed.

Since this is an issued piece, I can't change anything, but I plan on buying it when I retire.

All it needs to make it perfect for me is an undercut trigger guard and an optic cut.

https://i.imgur.com/Njd2mnyh.jpg

Dude, you have big hands, that looks like a 43X!

[GJM]

I will admit to being curious about this. Not sure I'll rush out to buy one though. I too am curious how it might interact with an SCD.

I think it will be just fine because it is my understanding that there is no reduction in pre-travel. Hope to be able to give a shooting report later next week.

[littlejerry]

I have a 19.3, 19.4, and 19.5. the 19.5 has the worst overall trigger both in the way it breaks and the long reset.

The reset is currently what bothers me the most, but I wouldn't turn down a lighter cleaner break like my 19.3

[SW CQB 45]

Dude, you have big hands, that looks like a 43X!

At work, they have been making fun of my hand size for 33 years.

We have a keybox that is fingerprint controlled. I am the only person there that takes 7 tries to get my ffffn unit keys.

When I took Hilton’s 10-8 armorers course in 2012, he and his partner Tim made a comment. I am used to it. HA!

[WDR]

Dude, you have big hands, that looks like a 43X!

I had this same thought...

[GJM]

At work, they have been making fun of my hand size for 33 years.

We have a keybox that is fingerprint controlled. I am the only person there that takes 7 tries to get my ffffn unit keys.

When I took Hilton’s 10-8 armorers course in 2012, he and his partner Tim made a comment. I am used to it. HA!

On the other end of the spectrum, I saw a guy holding a Glock, and was sure it was a 34. It was a 19. (:

[Exiledviking]

Does Glock specify that this is for range/competition use only?

[CarloMNL]

On the other end of the spectrum, I saw a guy holding a Glock, and was sure it was a 34. It was a 19. (:

Hahaha.That could have been me (sort of.) I make a G17 look like a G34.

Looking at the pics, the trigger mechanism housing itself is different from a standard G5 part. I see a cutaway that exposes the trigger return spring. The connector also looks to have an additional surface. Not sure if this functions as an internal overtravel limiter/stop or something else.

Have not had enough time with flat triggers to say I like or don't like them but if this part makes it to my shores, I'd happily try one.

[SW CQB 45]

post 83 shows Glock's advertisement of the performance trigger.

nowhere is the word "competition" used. I will see if the dept will approve the purchase of a couple of them for test/eval when they become available.

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?55523-It%92s-almost-2023-Shot-is-around-the-corner-what-are-we-gonna-see/page9

[EzGoingKev]

I am surprised they did not DLC the trigger bar like they did with the FBI triggers.

[Steve m]

Where can we get them at?

[TC215]

Buddy of mine just tested one out in a G47. Said it feels very different from a stock Glock trigger, and is more Sig P320ish. He was told it was just for the 9mm guns.

[Joe in PNG]

This may end up saving me a lot of money this summer.

[breakingtime91]

Buddy of mine just tested one out in a G47. Said it feels very different from a stock Glock trigger, and is more Sig P320ish. He was told it was just for the 9mm guns.

Now they just need to do it for the slim line

[TC215]

Buddy of mine just tested one out in a G47. Said it feels very different from a stock Glock trigger, and is more Sig P320ish. He was told it was just for the 9mm guns.

I asked him for more details…he said the break feels different than the break in a 320. Said the take-up is much smoother than a standard Glock trigger. He’s not the most articulate…that’s all I could get out of him.

[HeavyDuty]

I asked him for more details…he said the break feels different than the break in a 320. Said the take-up is much smoother than a standard Glock trigger. He’s not the most articulate…that’s all I could get out of him.

I don’t think that’s the direction I’d want to be going on a defensive Glock, but I’ll withhold judgement until I can feel one. (Says the guy who is trying a NY-1 trigger.)

[Trukinjp13]

I asked him for more details…he said the break feels different than the break in a 320. Said the take-up is much smoother than a standard Glock trigger. He’s not the most articulate…that’s all I could get out of him.

Sounds awesome to me. As long as it’s not 3.5-4# and a very short take up, it would pair nicely with a gadget.


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[Bergeron]

Apologies if I missed it, but is the width of the "trigger safety" the same as it's always been, or is it wider like old OverWatch Precisions or SSVIs? This was always my one beef with the Glock OEM trigger.

SW CQB 45 - my middle finger knuckle is blistering just looking your pic, lol :eek:. I don't know how you live without an undercut, and you have my respect, sir. I had my first Glock just over 48 hours before it was on its way for an undercut. I really took a gamble that I could get my three fingers on the frame if I got an undercut and magwell with a pinky rest-extension.

[t1tan]

I wonder how compatible it will be with connectors and trigger shoes

[Bryan W]

I think it will be just fine because it is my understanding that there is no reduction in pre-travel. Hope to be able to give a shooting report later next week.

Looking forward to your report....

[SW CQB 45]

SW CQB 45 - my middle finger knuckle is blistering just looking your pic, lol :eek:. I don't know how you live without an undercut, and you have my respect, sir. I had my first Glock just over 48 hours before it was on its way for an undercut. I really took a gamble that I could get my three fingers on the frame if I got an undercut and magwell with a pinky rest-extension.

My Gen 4 G19 has an undercut and finger grooves removed to mimic a Gen 5 grip. They also lightly textured in between the factory Glock texturing. (ColdBore Custom did the work)

I am able to put a pinky on this one.

My issued Gen 5 G19, its hanging on the edge but I am used to it.

https://i.imgur.com/8CGfYYuh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jsVKttkh.jpg

[HTM]

The enhanced trigger is similar in function as the Timney trigger. Slightly higher trigger pull with a standard dot connector than the Timney. Also has a longer reset similar to the Timney. Will be drop in for Gen5 designs except for the pocket guns and large frames models just released.

[eric0311]

The enhanced trigger is similar in function as the Timney trigger. Slightly higher trigger pull with a standard dot connector than the Timney. Also has a longer reset similar to the Timney. Will be drop in for Gen5 designs except for the pocket guns and large frames models just released.

I’m hoping it’s a smoother pull… my G19.5 has the roughest trigger with a “hitch” at the beginning of the wall.

[rob_s]

maybe I missed it...

will this come "stock" or as an OEM option from the factory on any guns?

[Texaspoff]

maybe I missed it...

will this come "stock" or as an OEM option from the factory on any guns?

Not sure if it will be offered as an option, but it will be able to be picked up separately. Quite a few places have it listed already, Glockmeister and a few others. in the $95 dollar range.






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[HTM]

maybe I missed it...

will this come "stock" or as an OEM option from the factory on any guns?

Latest info I have is only as a stand alone retail package only.

[Steve m]

On several waiting lists, when they are back in stock

[GJM]

The word I got, was this trigger was developed at the request of a Fed SWAT team.

Now, not sure whether any pre travel was removed, in terms of SCD compatibility.

[TC215]

Ed’s Public Safety has these in stock. According to the packaging, they fit Gen5 9mm’s, including the 19X/G45/G47.

[msstate56]

Ed’s Public Safety has these in stock. According to the packaging, they fit Gen5 9mm’s, including the 19X/G45/G47.

You got a Link?

[TC215]

You got a Link?

No, they posted it on Facebook.


https://i.imgur.com/jCFLuaN.jpg

[msstate56]

I don’t do FB

[O4L]

I don’t do FBhttps://www.edspublicsafety.com/

[DaBigBR]

Lipsey's had these available to dealers yesterday on allocation. I was asleep when the email came and did not get any. Dealer pricing would support a sub $100 price tag.

UPC is 764503053856
Glock P/N is 70272

[G19Fan]

I am so excited to hear how these run despite not having a gen 5

[JSGlock34]

In stock at Brownells!

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=301440&pid=147330

[WDR]

Some of you guys need to buy this trigger and try it out, so I don't have to be the guinea pig. $95 is more than I want to risk, being a beta tester. :D

[GJM]

In stock at Brownells!

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=301440&pid=147330

Their system is slow, PF must have crashed them!

[Mjolnir]

Tried one (dry fire) tonight. I chose to pass. It’s much lighter than a stock Gen 5 trigger and it’s very much like a SIG P320 trigger.

For me, it’s too light in pull and it takes very little additional force to go “from the wall” to BOOM!

Everything is not for everybody and this certainly is not a self-defense trigger.

[WDR]

Tried one (dry fire) tonight. I chose to pass. It’s much lighter than a stock Gen 5 trigger and it’s very much like a SIG P320 trigger.

For me, it’s too light in pull and it takes very little additional force to go “from the wall” to BOOM!

Everything is not for everybody and this certainly is not a self-defense trigger.

Interesting report. I too was worried it'd be a lot more like a Sig trigger.

[Brianjkeene]

Tried one (dry fire) tonight. I chose to pass. It’s much lighter than a stock Gen 5 trigger and it’s very much like a SIG P320 trigger.

For me, it’s too light in pull and it takes very little additional force to go “from the wall” to BOOM!

Everything is not for everybody and this certainly is not a self-defense trigger.


Rolling or crisp break? Did they make the flat trigger break at 90 degrees?

[Ndbbm]

In stock at Brownells!

https://www.brownells.com/aspx/search/productdetail.aspx?sid=301440&pid=147330

Thanks, ordered one to try.

Jason

[msstate56]

Thanks, ordered one to try.

Jason

Me too. I shall see what I think.

[Mjolnir]

Rolling or crisp break? Did they make the flat trigger break at 90 degrees?

It was more of a rolling break. There is a wall but it’s not much. I’m sure one can make great hits at the range with it as there is no disruption of the sights - just like a P320.

I don’t really recall but it seems like it was around 90 degrees.

[t1tan]

Sounds like what I've been chasing in a Glock trigger with aftermarket connectors for years.

[psalms144.1]

I'm a whore. Ordered one from Brownells to give it a whirl. Worst case, it goes in the HYUGE box of Glock parts I've installed then removed...

[Ndbbm]

Anyone know what the trigger pull weight is on these, that could be important later for me. Still 5 plus pounds?

Jason

[Rex G]

Will be following this; my G19x has the worst trigger, of all of my Glocks, and my Gen5 G17 is not among my best Glock triggers. I do not need lighter, but, well, let’s just say that my G19x has been my designated dry-fire gun, and the dry-firing has not worn-in the parts, much at all, yet.

FWIW, my Glocks with the two best out-of-the-box triggers, thus far, are Gen3: G26 and G30s SF.

[dontshakepandas]

Anybody know if these work with a SCD? If they do it may end up costing me a few hundred dollars.

[Wayne Dobbs]

A very reliable source inside Glock says NOT to try to disassemble the trigger reset spring assembly inside the housing or "you'll be fu**ed"

[LukeNCMX]

Inquiring mind(s) would like to know how this compares to a properly installed Timney for gun games..

[Joe Mac]

Trying to check out at Brownells, and the site keeps glitching. Can't get through checkout. This is torture!

[Texaspoff]

I have one in bound and will report back once I have it installed. I have no issues with Glock triggers in general, they work just fine. So if this offers any improvement, it is a good thing.





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[msstate56]

Trying to check out at Brownells, and the site keeps glitching. Can't get through checkout. This is torture!

I was able to order one, but Brownells web checkout has been very glitchy for a while now. I’ve contacted customer service about it before, but it hasn’t been fixed. I usually just keep trying until the checkout finally goes through.

[Joe Mac]

I was able to order one, but Brownells web checkout has been very glitchy for a while now. I’ve contacted customer service about it before, but it hasn’t been fixed. I usually just keep trying until the checkout finally goes through.

Yep, I finally got through on about the 20th try!

[GJM]

I was able to order one, but Brownells web checkout has been very glitchy for a while now. I’ve contacted customer service about it before, but it hasn’t been fixed. I usually just keep trying until the checkout finally goes through.

Same experience for me last night.

[maximus83]

Just back into Glocks in 2022 after years away--and am pretty happy with the OEM trigger setup on my G19's and G45 (OEM trigger internals, Overwatch DAT trigger shoe). Shoots well and didn't see a great need for a "performance" trigger.

But...as an unrepentant 1911 nerd...it's hard to resist the pull of an improved trigger. Especially if it maintains the Glock OEM safety features. Couldn't help myself, ordered one to give it a try.

[Steve m]

Just ordered one from Brownells, will report on what I think of it, vs my apex connector , once received and put in.

[Texaspoff]

Just back into Glocks in 2022 after years away--and am pretty happy with the OEM trigger setup on my G19's and G45 (OEM trigger internals, Overwatch DAT trigger shoe). Shoots well and didn't see a great need for a "performance" trigger.

But...as an unrepentant 1911 nerd...it's hard to resist the pull of an improved trigger. Especially if it maintains the Glock OEM safety features. Couldn't help myself, ordered one to give it a try.

I concur. Even if it offers only a slight improvement, the fact it is a factory part, and thus should not compromise any safety features, is reason enough to try it out.







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[LittleLebowski]

Inquiring mind(s) would like to know how this compares to a properly installed Timney for gun games..

I'm assuming this is way safer, so I'll pick up a couple if it works with SCDs.

[Super77]

I just need to know if these babies will be on blue label!

[Wayne Dobbs]

I just need to know if these babies will be on blue label!

Don't think so...

[HTM]

I concur. Even if it offers only a slight improvement, the fact it is a factory part, and thus should not compromise any safety features, is reason enough to try it out.

TXPO

Technically it functions similar to the Timney. The striker is fully cocked, and you can reach in and release the striker.

[Brianjkeene]

Technically it functions similar to the Timney. The striker is fully cocked, and you can reach in and release the striker.

Glock's new performance trigger is fully cocked??

[medmo]

Technically it functions similar to the Timney. The striker is fully cocked, and you can reach in and release the striker.

Exactly what I have been wondering after first seeing this. Does it change the % pre-cock from the standard trigger?

[dontshakepandas]

Technically it functions similar to the Timney. The striker is fully cocked, and you can reach in and release the striker.

If that's true I guess my bank account will be happy.

[LockedBreech]

I like that this product exists. I like that Glock is recognizing the market and competing.

That said, I am not too eager to grab one simply because my Gen 5 triggers are frankly wonderful. Last time I shot my G17 Gen 5 I was very rusty, I had not been out in probably 3-4 months, and in no time at all I was walking up and down the dueling tree. For a defense trigger it's an ideal combination of good and safe.

Perhaps if I got more into competition shooting where splits matter most I'll have another look. Either way, always good to have choices.

[coN]

I'm assuming this is way safer, so I'll pick up a couple if it works with SCDs.
About that, I love my 17L with the Timney. While I would never carry it, is the Timney trigger inherently unsafe? I reckon the drop safety could possibly be defeated if indeed dropped and bonked hard enough, but wouldn't the FPB stop it from discharging?

If this trigger even comes close to a Timney with a better drop safety design, im in. Except for my Gen 5 19/17 carry pieces. Those triggers are actually the first Glock triggers I don't have the urge to immediately swap.

[HTM]

About that, I love my 17L with the Timney. While I would never carry it, is the Timney trigger inherently unsafe? I reckon the drop safety could possibly be defeated if indeed dropped and bonked hard enough, but wouldn't the FPB stop it from discharging?

If this trigger even comes close to a Timney with a better drop safety design, im in. Except for my Gen 5 19/17 carry pieces. Those triggers are actually the first Glock triggers I don't have the urge to immediately swap.

They won't be for everyone. YMMV

[GJM]

About that, I love my 17L with the Timney. While I would never carry it, is the Timney trigger inherently unsafe? I reckon the drop safety could possibly be defeated if indeed dropped and bonked hard enough, but wouldn't the FPB stop it from discharging?

If this trigger even comes close to a Timney with a better drop safety design, im in. Except for my Gen 5 19/17 carry pieces. Those triggers are actually the first Glock triggers I don't have the urge to immediately swap.

What primarily concerns me about the Timney is it may not fire when you want it to.

[LittleLebowski]

They won't be for everyone. YMMV

Sounds like competition only, damn it.

[Texaspoff]

Technically it functions similar to the Timney. The striker is fully cocked, and you can reach in and release the striker.

If this is true, this is great news as it means Glock has found a way to revise their fire control design making is more like other manufactures. This is huge in the fact that it allows for a wider range of future possibilities for the fire control system.

I have no issues with the current fire control system in the Glock, but if it changes the striker system from being partially cocked, to a fully cocked system, then the Glock will have a single action trigger system and that will clean up the trigger quite a bit.

The advantage Glock has over say Sig and it's system, is Glock still has the trigger shoe tab.

Mine will be here tomorrow, and I will give a detailed summary of it, how it works, and what is actually accomplishes as far as trigger pull characteristics.





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[Sig_Fiend]

About that, I love my 17L with the Timney. While I would never carry it, is the Timney trigger inherently unsafe? I reckon the drop safety could possibly be defeated if indeed dropped and bonked hard enough, but wouldn't the FPB stop it from discharging?

If this trigger even comes close to a Timney with a better drop safety design, im in. Except for my Gen 5 19/17 carry pieces. Those triggers are actually the first Glock triggers I don't have the urge to immediately swap.

The Timney trigger does not disable the factory drop safety ledge (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46470-Timney-enters-Glock-market&p=1180597&viewfull=1#post1180597) on the trigger housing.

That said, I would never advocate using that trigger outside of competition. The margin of error is reduced plus it precludes usage of an SCD so it has more potential for issues.

[Brianjkeene]

Johnny Glock takes an in depth look at the Performance Trigger. I haven’t watched it yet as it’s long

https://youtu.be/FhjuiDjrYrQ

[Brianjkeene]

I just watched the video. It is Timney like.

[coN]

The Timney trigger does not disable the factory drop safety ledge (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?46470-Timney-enters-Glock-market&p=1180597&viewfull=1#post1180597) on the trigger housing.

That said, I would never advocate using that trigger outside of competition. The margin of error is reduced plus it precludes usage of an SCD so it has more potential for issues.
I got ahead of myself and should've clarified. Not so much the drop safety blade on the trigger, but the engagement of the lugs from the Timney sear and firing pin. When I purchased the Timney new, I put some easily removable paint on the rear of the Timney sear to see how much engagement there is with the firing pin lug. Needless to say, there was very little engagement between the two. The thought hit me when saw the post from LL concerning if it was safer than the Timney.

I summized that even if the sear was to release and drop the firing pin from the gun being dropped on the floor with no trigger pull on the Timney, the FPB would (or should rather) do its job and prevent it from even reaching the primer. It's why I wouldn't use it in a carry, just a BS gun like my 34 or 17L. Just thought Id ask...

EDIT: Found something that kinda addresses my concern, but I say "kinda" since the presenter forgets there is an FPB: https://youtu.be/Sx-nQQrKI80

[JCN]

Johnny Glock takes an in depth look at the Performance Trigger. I haven’t watched it yet as it’s long

https://youtu.be/FhjuiDjrYrQ

Thanks for that! I watched at 1.5x speed and it's very similar to the Timney with some potential improvements. I like the spring return setup over the Timney.

[eric0311]

The OEM Performance is equipped with a metal "hook" which captures the trigger bar, apparently making it drop safe.

[GJM]

I just watched the JG video in its entirety. This seems like a 2.0 variant of the Timney. Not at all what I was expecting from Glock, and I'll have to do some thinking as to whether it has applications for my use beyond the range.

[Noah]

I just watched the JG video in its entirety. This seems like a 2.0 variant of the Timney. Not at all what I was expecting from Glock, and I'll have to do some thinking as to whether it has applications for my use beyond the range.

Honestly pretty surprised to see this from a company as conservative as Glock.

[dontshakepandas]

I just watched the JG video in its entirety. This seems like a 2.0 variant of the Timney. Not at all what I was expecting from Glock, and I'll have to do some thinking as to whether it has applications for my use beyond the range.

I wasn't expecting that either, especially if it came about from a request from a SWAT team as mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't have to do much thinking though... if it doesn't work with an SCD it takes away the #1 advantage of Glock vs every other striker fired gun out there for me.

[GJM]

I wasn't expecting that either, especially if it came about from a request from a SWAT team as mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't have to do much thinking though... if it doesn't work with an SCD it takes away the #1 advantage of Glock vs every other striker fired gun out there for me.

What I like about the Glock, is after decades of use it is so thoroughly proven. This trigger design is so different, it resets the reliability testing period back to day one.

[nwhpfan]

It appears Glock made a verison of the Timney trigger. Which is not surprising because the Timney trigger is magic.

I'll put this in my GSSF guns if I can.

The Johnny Glock video is worth the watch.

[psalms144.1]

Having just watched the JG video, I'm wishing I'd waiting on the purchase. I do NOT want to change my G19 into a fully cocked SFA with a light trigger. I have 1911s for light single action only triggers. The good news is Brownells is the cat's ass when it comes to returning stuff - not quite Amazon Prime easy, but pretty close...

[dontshakepandas]

Having just watched the JG video, I'm wishing I'd waiting on the purchase. I do NOT want to change my G19 into a fully cocked SFA with a light trigger. I have 1911s for light single action only triggers. The good news is Brownells is the cat's ass when it comes to returning stuff - not quite Amazon Prime easy, but pretty close...

I had my credit card information entered and was hovering on the complete button, but managed to control myself.

You are right about Brownell's return policy though. They are awesome, but can tend to be a bit slow on the processing side.

[Yankee]

I got ahead of myself and should've clarified. Not so much the drop safety blade on the trigger, but the engagement of the lugs from the Timney sear and firing pin. When I purchased the Timney new, I put some easily removable paint on the rear of the Timney sear to see how much engagement there is with the firing pin lug. Needless to say, there was very little engagement between the two. The thought hit me when saw the post from LL concerning if it was safer than the Timney.

I summized that even if the sear was to release and drop the firing pin from the gun being dropped on the floor with no trigger pull on the Timney, the FPB would (or should rather) do its job and prevent it from even reaching the primer. It's why I wouldn't use it in a carry, just a BS gun like my 34 or 17L. Just thought Id ask...

EDIT: Found something that kinda addresses my concern, but I say "kinda" since the presenter forgets there is an FPB: https://youtu.be/Sx-nQQrKI80

I've never handled a Timney in person, but that video hits on the first thing I thought of when the Timney came out. The drop safety ledge prevents trigger bar from moving down, but on Timney, and new Glock Performance Trigger, the trigger bar and sear are two separate parts. Looks like only thing that prevents Timney sear from moving down if dropped is spring tension. I wonder if there's any more safety features built into Glock Performance Trigger. If not, I'd probably consider it a range/competition only trigger.

[Ndbbm]

I wasn't expecting that either, especially if it came about from a request from a SWAT team as mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't have to do much thinking though... if it doesn't work with an SCD it takes away the #1 advantage of Glock vs every other striker fired gun out there for me.

Well now I wish I wouldn’t have ordered one. For what I was hoping for, basically just an oem flat faced trigger, this is a little too far afield. Now it’s decide to return it or maybe keep it as a toy.

[Yankee]

I've never handled a Timney in person, but that video hits on the first thing I thought of when the Timney came out. The drop safety ledge prevents trigger bar from moving down, but on Timney, and new Glock Performance Trigger, the trigger bar and sear are two separate parts. Looks like only thing that prevents Timney sear from moving down if dropped is spring tension. I wonder if there's any more safety features built into Glock Performance Trigger. If not, I'd probably consider it a range/competition only trigger.

Quoting myself :o. I re-watched part of that Johnny Glocks video. He describes a hook on sear that functions as a drop safety and prevents trigger bar from being pushed down. But it looks like that hook might also prevent sear from moving down until trigger is pulled. If so, then seems like Glock Performance Trigger is safer than Timney trigger. Would be easy to check if this is really the case if had trigger in person.

[Joe in PNG]

At this point, Imma waitnsee what happens when somma yu fellas play around with it for a bit.

[medmo]

Anyone know if this increases the pre-cock % from the standard trigger arrangement?

[Noah]

Anyone know if this increases the pre-cock % from the standard trigger arrangement?

Fully pre cocked like a Timney.

[RJ]

99971

ETA: Link to pdf of downloadable manual is two posts down.

[RJ]

Sorry: I’ll see if I can snag the pdf, if it’s not protected by IPR, I’ll post it here.

Edit: just looked at it. 4 pages, no IPR marking. Wow, lots of changes to the TMH involved, much more than I thought.

[RJ]

Sorry: I’ll see if I can snag the pdf, if it’s not protected by IPR, I’ll post it here.

[Brianjkeene]

Quoting myself :o. I re-watched part of that Johnny Glocks video. He describes a hook on sear that functions as a drop safety and prevents trigger bar from being pushed down. But it looks like that hook might also prevent sear from moving down until trigger is pulled. If so, then seems like Glock Performance Trigger is safer than Timney trigger. Would be easy to check if this is really the case if had trigger in person.


Yep, it appears that the “hook” support the sear. This may be the first fully cocked striker with a supported sear. With that said, it would appear to be just as drop safe as the traditional glock action.

[JCN]

Looks like these triggers would be IDPA SSP legal if the trigger shoe was changed to a traditional one, correct?

No visible external modifications?

You could theoretically do that with a Timney too?

[Rc217]

Out of stock at brownell’s. Anyone see them in stock elsewhere?

[Mirolynmonbro]

Looks like these triggers would be IDPA SSP legal if the trigger shoe was changed to a traditional one, correct?

No visible external modifications?

You could theoretically do that with a Timney too?

Yes for your first question. The timney needs a trigger return spring and you can't add that to a stock trigger shoe

[Texaspoff]

Mine just arrived and I'm heading to my shop to install it and see what it is all about. I'll report back this afternoon.




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[Texaspoff]

Now let’s see what all the fuss is about.


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[Ndbbm]

So can a different connector be used to get a trigger pull weight back in the 5 pound range?

Jason

[Texaspoff]

So, he is my initial impressions of the performance trigger. This puts the Glock fire control system in another league. As suspected this is designed pretty much like the Timney.



It turns the Glock from a safe action, to a single action type fire control setup. The resistance in the trigger take up on a standard Glock trigger is gone. This is due to the striker being fully cocked now when the slide cycles. The only resistance felt is being provided by the trigger return coil spring inside the connector housing.



Once you take up the trigger, it hits a very distinct wall. Pressing the trigger from here, there is virtually no creep, and a nice break. It's not glass, but it is very clean at least in the example I have. There is zero overtravel after the break. Upon cycling the slide, the trigger does move back just slightly, as described by Johnny Glock. When your looking for it, you can tell, but after dry firing this for a bit, I do not notice it at all,, and when shooting I highly doubt anyone would notice. The reset is short and very tactile, exactly like a regular Glock trigger. The really nice thing is, with this trigger, you can treat it like any other single action trigger. Glocks triggers work much better as far as accuracy and keeping them from shooting left or right, by treating them like a revolver trigger and using more trigger finger. This setup only needs the pad of the finger, just like a 320, M&P, PPQ, etc. etc.



This is a very good option for those with shorter fingers, that have always had that love hate with Glocks triggers. No need to wrap the finger around the trigger, you just have to press the trigger. another note, the trigger is essentially flat. Is it very comfortable, no sharp edges, and the trigger safety tab finally sits flush when you pull the trigger.



Some has said it is too light, and the break rolls like a minus connectors. I do not find either of those true in my example. My pull gage has walked off somewhere, but IMO the trigger is breaking in the 3.5 to 4 pound range. I do not find this worrisome in the least. Glock still has the trigger shoe safety tab, and that along with a good amount of take up, I don't feel this setup is unsafe to carry either on duty or in a CCW role. There is more take up than the 320's and there is still the trigger safety tab. That along with proper trigger discipline, and there shouldn't be any issues.



I have been running 320's for a good bit along with my Glocks. My description is this trigger puts Glock in the same category as most other fully cocked striker fired pistols. Is it the perfect trigger?, of course not. It does however move the Glock pistol in the right direction. IMO this is Glocks version of the 320 trigger, and I think they did a very good job, especially considering as I said before, this is a completely redesigned fire control system. This changes the way the Glock functions, fully cocked vs partially cocked. That also translates into less resistance for the shooter when pulling the trigger which means less movement of the pistol, and less tension required to overcome the trigger pulling movement.



As far as is it drop safe?, you bet. There is still a small shelf on the connector housing just the standard glock trigger. Well the sear and trigger bar are now separate, what is the sear drops? Nope, that can't happen either as there is now a hook on the sear, that goes over the top of the trigger bar. while in the forward resting position, the hook keeps the sear from travelling downward. As the trigger bar moves rearward, it clears the hook, which allows the sear to moved down once the trigger bar pushes it down. Someone really thought this out, and it is just as safe as the standard Glock trigger.



What I can tell you is, every one of my Gen 5 Glock will get one of these triggers. The best thing about this, it's a Glock factory part, and the build quality on it is very good. There are no fidlely small parts to break or get lost. It is more complicated than the current design, but it isn't overly complicate to the point of having small parts, and that's a huge plus.



Well that's all I have right now until I get it to range to really wring it out. If your on the fence about spending the money for one of these, here is what I would compare or measure it by. The 320, the M&P, XD, PPQ, PDP, or just about any other striker pistol out there, albeit not as light at the PPQ or PDP. The action of how the trigger works is what you can compare it to. Very light, take up, deinfed wall and nice break. Again this is based on my example of one, but if they re all like mine, Im sold.


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[DEG]

No go with the gadget. The new trigger mechanism pushes the firing pin lug all the way to the rear. Makes sense if this is also how the Timney trigger works.

99989

Here’s another view showing the lug position with the tensioned striker.

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[Noah]

Deleted, redundant due to post above.

[Brianjkeene]

Not Gadget compatible but still very likely safer than any other fully tensioned striker gun without a thumb safety as the sear is supported and can’t drop unless the trigger bar moves.

[Sig_Fiend]

The hook on that sear is EXACTLY what I envisioned after getting a Timney Glock trigger, disassembling it, and seeing how it works. I'm glad somebody finally did it, and I hope other manufacturers take note.

Between that and the drop safety shelf on the trigger housing, this looks like it should actually be quite safe. I predict these triggers selling like crazy!

Among the competition, I believe that makes gen5 Glocks with this trigger the only fully-tensioned striker gun that completely restricts the sear from moving when the trigger isn't pulled. All others (P320, VP9, etc.) rely solely on sear spring tension and can theoretically release the striker if an impact with enough force overcomes the sear spring(s).

[HeavyDuty]

I personally would only consider one of these on a range and/or game gun. No SCD = no interest from me.

[Biggy]

I personally would only consider one of these on a range and/or game gun. No SCD = no interest from me.

I feel exactly the same way about it. When carrying a striker fired pistol, especially AIWB *I* want one that is SCD compatible or that has a manual thumb safety and breaks around 4.5 lbs. Also, IMHO, while these Timney type trigger characteristics feel great, the practical in hand accuracy of a Glock pistol that has one will really not be any better than a Glock Gen 3,4 or 5 pistol that has a real **good** trigger job using conventional Glock OEM fire control parts. We can thank Timney for inventing this type of trigger and we can thank Glock for perfecting it.

[Texaspoff]

So can a different connector be used to get a trigger pull weight back in the 5 pound range?

Jason

My guess is yes. You could probably use a standard connector in it and that would likely bring the pull back to 5 pounds or more.




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[Texaspoff]

The hook on that sear is EXACTLY what I envisioned after getting a Timney Glock trigger, disassembling it, and seeing how it works. I'm glad somebody finally did it, and I hope other manufacturers take note.

Between that and the drop safety shelf on the trigger housing, this looks like it should actually be quite safe. I predict these triggers selling like crazy!

Among the competition, I believe that makes gen5 Glocks with this trigger the only fully-tensioned striker gun that completely restricts the sear from moving when the trigger isn't pulled. All others (P320, VP9, etc.) rely solely on sear spring tension and can theoretically release the striker if an impact with enough force overcomes the sear spring(s).


i believe despite the drop in trigger pull weight, this system is every bit as safe as the original Glock trigger setup. With the current situation and the 320 triggers, I highly doubt Glock would release anything that would be less safe mechanically than the standard trigger. I suspect this performance trigger has had the hell tested out of it, knowing Glock.

My money is also on the fact if these do prove to be popular, this will likely become the factory Glock trigger system across the entire line the near future.



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[Ndbbm]

My guess is yes. You could probably use a standard connector in it and that would likely bring the pull back to 5 pounds or more.




TXPO

Thanks, the weight thing will be a work issue. Non compatibility with a scd, isn’t relevant due to the same work issue.

Jason

[GlockenSpiel]

My money is also on the fact if these do prove to be popular, this will likely become the factory Glock trigger system across the entire line the near future.

TXPO

How much emphasis does Glock place on ease of disassembly? These look a lot more complicated to disassemble than the current standard.

It's nice that they put a lot of thought into maintaining redundant drop safeties. The original still has appeal to me because of the gadget, but I haven't seen reports of any institutional users showing interest in that.

[Texaspoff]

Thanks, the weight thing will be a work issue. Non compatibility with a scd, isn’t relevant due to the same work issue.

Jason

That sucks, this is nice setup. We don't have a pound limit, we have it listed as no hair triggers, or modified or unsafe triggers weights. Being the lead firearms instructor, I get to determine what passes and what doesn't. I'll check this on my gauge at work monday, but I'm willing to bet in the center of the trigger it's breaking at 4.3 to 4.5, and I'm good with that. Especially knowing what Glock puts their stuff through, and knowing the design of this thing. It for sure ain't going off without pulling the trigger, and in a high stress situation the body can't tell the difference between a 4 pound or an 8 pound trigger.





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[Texaspoff]

How much emphasis does Glock place on ease of disassembly? These look a lot more complicated to disassemble than the current standard.

It's nice that they put a lot of thought into maintaining redundant drop safeties. The original still has appeal to me because of the gadget, but I haven't seen reports of any institutional users showing interest in that.

I haven't completely taken it apart, but it is more fiddly than the original. I don't see it being a huge issue, there are just a few more steps involved in it due to the separated sear and trigger bar. There is now a pin holding the sear assembly in, and that pin is held by the ejector. The trigger bar also has a specific way it has to be seated in the return spring, but again, it's not terribly hard, just a more specific sequence with disassembling and reassembling it.

There really isn't any reason to take it apart honestly. Everything comes out as a complete unit if you take it down that far for cleaning. It stays together as well as the Gen 5 fire control assembly. It doesn't all fly apart when you remove it from the frame.






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[jlw]

How much emphasis does Glock place on ease of disassembly? These look a lot more complicated to disassemble than the current standard.

It's nice that they put a lot of thought into maintaining redundant drop safeties. The original still has appeal to me because of the gadget, but I haven't seen reports of any institutional users showing interest in that.


See Wayne Dobbs post.

[Yankee]

As far as is it drop safe?, you bet. There is still a small shelf on the connector housing just the standard glock trigger. Well the sear and trigger bar are now separate, what is the sear drops? Nope, that can't happen either as there is now a hook on the sear, that goes over the top of the trigger bar. while in the forward resting position, the hook keeps the sear from travelling downward. As the trigger bar moves rearward, it clears the hook, which allows the sear to moved down once the trigger bar pushes it down. Someone really thought this out, and it is just as safe as the standard Glock trigger.
TXPO

Thanks for write up! Especially glad to hear this part. So if you do the drop safety test with slide off, but instead try pushing down on sear instead of trigger bar, the sear has zero movement?

This might be what finally gets me to buy a Gen 5.

[EricM]

The reset is short and very tactile, exactly like a regular Glock trigger.

Great report, thank you! I'm glad to hear this ^^^ about the reset. Not that reset is everything, but I tried a Timney for a bit and although it had a nice clean break, I didn't have an easy time going between it and standard Glock triggers. I shot a GSSF match with the Timney in my Unlimited gun and short-stroked it a few times shooting it back-to-back with another division where I was using an OEM trigger.

[GJM]

Great report, thank you! I'm glad to hear this ^^^ about the reset. Not that reset is everything, but I tried a Timney for a bit and although it had a nice clean break, I didn't have an easy time going between it and standard Glock triggers. I shot a GSSF match with the Timney in my Unlimited gun and short-stroked it a few times shooting it back-to-back with another division where I was using an OEM trigger.

I bet you didn't short stroke it -- instead the Timney wasn't resetting properly. Friends and I also experienced the same.

[maximus83]

With the current situation and the 320 triggers, I highly doubt Glock would release anything that would be less safe mechanically than the standard trigger. I suspect this performance trigger has had the hell tested out of it, knowing Glock.

My money is also on the fact if these do prove to be popular, this will likely become the factory Glock trigger system across the entire line the near future.

TXPO

Thought about this too...it would've been crazy for Glock to release another trigger that wasn't at least as safe as the OEM trigger. So you have to think they did a lot of testing.

If they do make this trigger widely available in OEM pistols, it's easy to expect this becoming a pretty big competitive edge for Glocks vs other pistols. One of the common issues people who hate Glocks have is the trigger. Remove that issue, and the whole product line becomes a lot more compelling.

[ssc45]

I think the jury is still out. Normally, I would have already ordered, but for some reason I’m a bit hesitant. I think I’m going to sit on the sidelines for a bit and see how this plays out.

Cheers, Steve

[JHC]

i believe despite the drop in trigger pull weight, this system is every bit as safe as the original Glock trigger setup. With the current situation and the 320 triggers, I highly doubt Glock would release anything that would be less safe mechanically than the standard trigger. I suspect this performance trigger has had the hell tested out of it, knowing Glock.

My money is also on the fact if these do prove to be popular, this will likely become the factory Glock trigger system across the entire line the near future.



TXPO

Earlier it was noted this might have been developed for a Fed SWAT unit. In recent years I've heard of Glock working on a performance trigger with a discriminating Mil unit. Seems pretty likely it's all been years developing in evolutions.

An industry guy told me his buddy at Glock told him that their legal has spent and inordinate amount of attention on this trigger. So I think your assumptions are pretty sound.

[Up1911Fan]

I might try one out on a range/gamer gun, but i'll stick with my stock (minus the SSVI Shoe) trigger that works just fine with a SCD.

[Texaspoff]

So as a point of interest, I changed the dot connector out for standard one. The break seems slightly cleaner, but the weight didn't seem to increase any discernible amount. It seems the connectory geometry does not affect break weight as much as s standard trigger.

I still can't locate my trigger pull gage so I can't verify any weight changes. I'm only going by the way the two connectors feel.



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[GearFondler]

I'll be curious to see if this trigger makes its way down to the Gen 3 & 4 lines as well.

[WDR]

So as a point of interest, I changed the dot connector out for standard one. The break seems slightly cleaner, but the weight didn't seem to increase any discernible amount. It seems the connectory geometry does not affect break weight as much as s standard trigger.

I still can't locate my trigger pull gage so I can't verify any weight changes. I'm only going by the way the two connectors feel.



TXPO

If these are using a standard "dot" connector, that is interesting. I would have assumed a "minus" or new proprietary connector. I'm not sure I'm personally sold on these for "carry" use just yet. Being unable to use the SCD is my big hangup with this. That may be less of an issue for folks carrying OWB or IWB in a traditional strong side holster, but a fully cocked striker AIWB without the SCD gives me pause. It does look to be mechanically safer than the Sig 320 trigger, which is awesome.

I might try one in my 34... The trigger in that gun is the worst, out of all my Gen 5 Glocks, despite the minus connector. It still has a strange hitch in the pull, even after I cleaned out the (factory) over-oiled striker channel, and trying a new firing pin saftey plunger/spring. I've been tempted to replace all the internals in the frame, and see what happens, but parts availability is still spotty post covid.

I used to be a big fan of OEM minus connector and maybe a very light clean up ("25 cent trigger job") of OEM Glock triggers in my Gen3/4 guns... but otherwise have left them stock. My Gen5 guns I have not touched, connector or otherwise, and I've been happy with them, other than the 34. I do wonder if the trigger shoe is interchangeable with a stock one, or if pin locations and geometry is different some how. I'd love to try a "flat" trigger, but I have always shied away from non OEM parts.

[willie]

I remember when shooters achieved better Glock triggers by swapping triggers until they noticed improvement. This method gave me super triggers in Gen 3 Glk 19 and 26 pistols. Does this procedure accomplish the same result in Gen 5 pistols?

[Texaspoff]

I have found the Gen 5s to be more consistent than previous generations. All my Gen5 triggers have been good without having to change parts around.

I did do a direct swap back to the dot connector from the standard and I find it does provide more of a rolling break in the performance trigger. The standard connector does have a very discernible break in the performance trigger.

The weight doesn’t seem much different between the two. I suspect the trigger return spring has a lot to do with the trigger pull weight overall.

I will probably stick with the standard connector as it seems to provide the break characteristics I prefer. It interesting though since the dot connector in the Gen5s factory triggers don’t seem to have as much of a rolling effect.

I suspect a lot of the performance triggers characteristics are due to the trigger bar geometry which is significantly different from the standard trigger bars geometry.



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[Biggy]

IMHO, this new Glock OEM Performance trigger should make it easier to get just the type of trigger characteristics that you prefer in terms of the type of break and break weight by your connector choice. Also, if it is compatable with the standard Glock OEM trigger shoe, then one should be able to use aftermarket shoes like the Timney shoe where you can take *some* of the take up or pre travel out if you choose to. So you now have the perfect Glock OEM trigger with your preferred type of break and break weight, etc. But will all this translate into any better practical ( hand held) on target accuracy or split times on the clock vs a *real good* worked on conventional stock trigger using OEM parts ? IMHO, in my past experience using the Timney Johnny Glock carry trigger for reference, the difference *for me* was very little to no improvement. I also prefer to carry my Glocks AIWB, so I like to have SCD compatibility.

[GJM]

I installed my new Glock performance trigger in a Glock 45. Installation was a breeze, just dropping in the entire assembly. The trigger feels awesome -- like a good Timney. Hoping this is long-term reliable with drop safe characteristics. Probably a big deal for Glock shooters. With the interchangeability of the 19/45/47 ecosystem, many Glock shooters will probably have a lower or more with this trigger for certain applications.

PS, my wife says Glock should package this with a sight adjustment tool, so many Glock shooters can drift their rear sight back to the center.

[WDR]

PS, my wife says Glock should package this with a sight adjustment tool, so many Glock shooters can drift their rear sight back to the center.

That is really funny. :eek:

Also probably true. The low left is the bane of my B8 shooting.

[jlw]

The low left is the bane of my B8 shooting.

That has nothing to do with the trigger.

[Texaspoff]

That has nothing to do with the trigger.

Technically it doesn’t, mechanically it does. The glock and it’s trigger pull characteristics exacerbates any flaws in grip technique which in turn, attribute to shots pulling left for righties, and right for lefties.

The performance trigger allows the use of the finger pad instead of the joint. You can run this trigger like a single action rather than like a double action.

It’s far more forgiving on grip techniques which is a good thing for a lot of Glock shooters.



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[jlw]

The performance trigger allows the use of the finger pad instead of the joint.

I use the pad of my finger on every trigger, even DA revolvers.

This new performance trigger isn't going to be a miracle cure for the reason people miss. If they are moving the gun when they press the trigger be it from grip changes or other issues, they will still move the gun.

[GearFondler]

I installed my new Glock performance trigger in a Glock 45. Installation was a breeze, just dropping in the entire assembly. The trigger feels awesome -- like a good Timney. Hoping this is long-term reliable with drop safe characteristics. Probably a big deal for Glock shooters. With the interchangeability of the 19/45/47 ecosystem, many Glock shooters will probably have a lower or more with this trigger for certain applications.

PS, my wife says Glock should package this with a sight adjustment tool, so many Glock shooters can drift their rear sight back to the center.I'm curious if in your initial opinion you feel this is a competition-only trigger or possibly also for carry?
What I'm reading so far just reinforces the need for a quality Glock thumb safety.

[Texaspoff]

I use the pad of my finger on every trigger, even DA revolvers.

This new performance trigger isn't going to be a miracle cure for the reason people miss. If they are moving the gun when they press the trigger be it from grip changes or other issues, they will still move the gun.

Well then you don’t have that problem, and it is of no benefit. The 85-90% of officers I instruct and train do. Every time their shots start moving left, they are not using enough finger in the trigger, or easing up on their support hand grip, or both.

I see the same with civilian shooters as well. Not saying it’s going to help everyone, but there are a lot that will see an improvement. Most people don’t shoot all the time and shooting is a perishable skill. IMO this trigger is going to give them a little leeway in their deficiencies.



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[GJM]

I'm curious if in your initial opinion you feel this is a competition-only trigger or possibly also for carry?
What I'm reading so far just reinforces the need for a quality Glock thumb safety.

The Glock performance trigger has more pre travel than a stock P365, and is perhaps a pound or so lighter in pull. If it proves durable and drop safe, I would carry it.

[GJM]

As recently as last Saturday, as I related in another thread, I watched an excellent shooter that knows how to grip a pistol and press a trigger, but is not experienced with a Glock shoot a Glock low left.

[WDR]

I know lighter triggers won't fix poor technique. But they do help mask it, as was said above. I still have work to do. Like most folks.

[GJM]

I know lighter triggers won't fix poor technique. But they do help mask it, as was said above. I still have work to do. Like most folks.

Thinking about factors influencing a shooter's ability to shoot a handgun well, a heavier gun, with a lighter and shorter trigger that breaks with a minimum of creep is usually easier to shoot well. The Glock is pretty much on the other end of the spectrum on each of the characteristics associated with an easier to shoot handgun. That means you need to do everything better with your fundamentals to shoot a Glock well.

[M2CattleCo]

A lot of it has to do with how the hand fits the frame.

The side of the trigger finger hitting the frame is what pushes the shots left a lot of the time.

I can demonstrate it with a stripped Glock frame. I hold it about like you’d hold it to place the pad of your finger on the trigger and squeeze my trigger finger. It will push on the frame and rotate it down and to the left. It has nothing to do with the trigger.

Rotate your hand sown enough to get your trigger finger halfway through the trigger guard and now you don’t have that problem.

Crude guns require crude technique…

[LukeNCMX]

A lot of it has to do with how the hand fits the frame.

The side of the trigger finger hitting the frame is what pushes the shots left a lot of the time.

I can demonstrate it with a stripped Glock frame. I hold it about like you’d hold it to place the pad of your finger on the trigger and squeeze my trigger finger. It will push on the frame and rotate it down and to the left. It has nothing to do with the trigger.

Rotate your hand sown enough to get your trigger finger halfway through the trigger guard and now you don’t have that problem.

Crude guns require crude technique…

Agreed. Its hard for me to get a high grip on the beavertail of a stock glock and not drag my trigger finger on the frame at least slightly. Here’s where modifications like Boresight Solutions Glove Bevel can help a lot.

[Texaspoff]

A lot of it has to do with how the hand fits the frame.

The side of the trigger finger hitting the frame is what pushes the shots left a lot of the time.

I can demonstrate it with a stripped Glock frame. I hold it about like you’d hold it to place the pad of your finger on the trigger and squeeze my trigger finger. It will push on the frame and rotate it down and to the left. It has nothing to do with the trigger.

Rotate your hand sown enough to get your trigger finger halfway through the trigger guard and now you don’t have that problem.

Crude guns require crude technique…

Thats what I believe this trigger will help with as far as the finger on the side of the frame. With the lighter take up, there isn't as much force required. That will prevent some of those forces from being imparted to the side of the frame by the finger.




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[gomerpyle]

just walked out of the range, 160 rounds on the performance trigger. rolling through the trigger so much more easier than a stock trigger. but the trigger face feels qnoticeably more forward, making it more difficult for me at least to reach and press straight back. frustrating to say the least. ymmv.

[M2CattleCo]

Thats what I believe this trigger will help with as far as the finger on the side of the frame. With the lighter take up, there isn't as much force required. That will prevent some of those forces from being imparted to the side of the frame by the finger.




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I’m super interested in this trigger.

I think you had a few instances of the trigger shoe safety hanging on the frame?

[Blades]

just walked out of the range, 160 rounds on the performance trigger. rolling through the trigger so much more easier than a stock trigger. but the trigger face feels qnoticeably more forward, making it more difficult for me at least to reach and press straight back. frustrating to say the least. ymmv.

Do you use a medium or large backstrap on your Glock?

[Texaspoff]

I’m super interested in this trigger.

I think you had a few instances of the trigger shoe safety hanging on the frame?

I did and had to take a couple of thousandths off the tab. I have had factory triggers hang also.

[Texaspoff]

just walked out of the range, 160 rounds on the performance trigger. rolling through the trigger so much more easier than a stock trigger. but the trigger face feels qnoticeably more forward, making it more difficult for me at least to reach and press straight back. frustrating to say the least. ymmv.

I agree, I believe it sits forward more than the factory trigger. I think this is a byproduct of a flat faced trigger to some degree. The flat faced triggers on my 320s also sit further forward than the curved version.

This is supposed to allow them to break at 90, which is also where the Glock performance trigger breaks. Going from a curved to a flat trigger does take a bit of getting used to.



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[GJM]

At the range, OMG this trigger is amazing!

[gomerpyle]

At the range, OMG this trigger is amazing!

so jealous! I need a curved trigger or longer fingers:(

[gomerpyle]

Do you use a medium or large backstrap on your Glock?

neither. I did try the medium backstraps, but to no avail....

[Rex G]

A lot of it has to do with how the hand fits the frame.

The side of the trigger finger hitting the frame is what pushes the shots left a lot of the time.

I can demonstrate it with a stripped Glock frame. I hold it about like you’d hold it to place the pad of your finger on the trigger and squeeze my trigger finger. It will push on the frame and rotate it down and to the left. It has nothing to do with the trigger.

Rotate your hand sown enough to get your trigger finger halfway through the trigger guard and now you don’t have that problem.

Crude guns require crude technique…


Agreed. Its hard for me to get a high grip on the beavertail of a stock glock and not drag my trigger finger on the frame at least slightly. Here’s where modifications like Boresight Solutions Glove Bevel can help a lot.

My trigger finger drags on Glock frames, too. That has always required me to use extra care, to keep the sights aligned, during the trigger press. This has also been a reason that I have generally considered Glocks to be handSguns, rather than handguns, because the support hand provides so much vital assistance in keeping the frame stable, during the inevitable drag.

Crude guns, and crude technique, are exactly correct, in my case. Crude accuracy, too, at least in my hands. Thankfully, crude accuracy usually suffices, on the streets. Usually.

Transitioning (reluctantly) to G22 duty pistols, in early 2002, meant saying good-bye to my Expert pin, along with my “grandfathered” 1911 duty pistols. (I was able to again shoot Expert, in late 2004, after transitioning to SIG DAK.)

Edited to add: I did return to Glock, in 2015, but Gen4, which fit me better. My finger still drags on Gen4 frames, but the overall better fit helps.

[jlw]

A lot of it has to do with how the hand fits the frame.

The side of the trigger finger hitting the frame is what pushes the shots left a lot of the time.



This.

[Rc217]

Are these in stock anywhere?

[Warrior45]

Are these in stock anywhere?

I can’t find them in stock, if they are.

[Texaspoff]

It was posted on another forum, that the Performance trigger was in fact manufactured by Timney for Glock. That would explain quite a bit.





TXPO

[JCN]

It was posted on another forum, that the Performance trigger was in fact manufactured by Timney for Glock. That would explain quite a bit.

TXPO

Oh! That definitely explains things and gets around nasty patent lawsuits.

It’s like an extra safety engineered Timney competition trigger.

[GJM]

Today, I shot about 100 rounds with the new Glock Performance trigger, that I installed last night into a G45 lower. We had set up a quite difficult steel array, with two small steel, and three eight inch plates. We wanted to work on small steel with our competition pistols, and I also thought it would be a good test of the new trigger. After a run or two of fam on the steel, I tried just few close doubles and right off was doing .17 splits. The trigger was an absolute joy to shoot on the steel, and is the most fun I can remember pressing a Glock trigger. If you are a Glock person, run and get at least one as soon as you can. My wife, who has shot a Glock for decades, tried it and pronounced it excellent, saying it would probably help most Glock shooters more than instruction, practice and lots of ammo. I hope this thing turns out to be reliable. I wouldn't say it is better than a M&P Apex FSS or PDP trigger, but it definitely makes the Glock more capable.

Here is a run on steel with it.


https://youtu.be/AwEtxgkdLe0

[Blades]

neither. I did try the medium backstraps, but to no avail....

Thank you. I use the large backstrap and still feel like I need something a smidge bigger.

I need one of you all who bought it to not like it and sell it. Obviously not GJM and his wife. :)

I just tried the Overwatch TAC trigger in my 19 and it's too short. It works better in my 26, not sure why, I use the medium backstrap on my 26(I still need to take it to the range but dry fire seemed okay).

[gomerpyle]

Thank you. I use the large backstrap and still feel like I need something a smidge bigger.

I need one of you all who bought it to not like it and sell it. Obviously not GJM and his wife. :)

I just tried the Overwatch TAC trigger in my 19 and it's too short. It works better in my 26, not sure why, I use the medium backstrap on my 26(I still need to take it to the range but dry fire seemed okay).

oh to have your "problem"! this trigger is made for you it seems:)

[GJM]

It was posted on another forum, that the Performance trigger was in fact manufactured by Timney for Glock. That would explain quite a bit.



TXPO

Do you think Glock would allow Timney, or any outside company, manufacture their fire control system?

[L-2]

Post 106, in this Glocktalk thread has the post tying Timney to Glock:
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/glocks-perfomance-trigger.1964508/page-6#post-31810840

No source was listed for the pic/screen-shot, however, making the post's info questionable.

[Brianjkeene]

Post 106, in this Glocktalk thread has the post tying Timney to Glock:
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/glocks-perfomance-trigger.1964508/page-6#post-31810840

No source was listed for the pic/screen-shot, however, making the post's info questionable.

I have to imagine that the listing was incorrect. I can’t imagine Timney making this thing for glock.

[coN]

I wouldn't say it is better than a M&P Apex FSS or PDP trigger, but it definitely makes the Glock more capable.
This is a huge quantifier for me. The PDP and a flat Apex FSS (with Apex barrel) are my two favorite striker-fired triggers aside from a Glock Timney Alpha. I truly feel confident I cannot miss with these 3 triggers *but* I wouldn't carry the Glock Timney.

That may change if this OEM turns into the new factory stock trigger later down the line. Now just debating if I wanna give this a shot and pull the trigger when it comes back in stock to play with in my G34.

EDIT: Puns not intended

[medmo]

Fully cocked, 3.5lbs, no SCD, no manual safety. Am I the only one that this kind of scares the shit out of?

[SpicyBrass]

Fully cocked, 3.5lbs, no SCD, no manual safety. Am I the only one that this kind of scares the shit out of?

Why does it scare you? Gen 5s already have a 5lb trigger. It still has a blade safety and all the other safeties to keep a striker from reaching a primer without a trigger pull.

Glocks don’t need a SCD or manual safety.

[Navin Johnson]

Fully cocked, 3.5lbs, no SCD, no manual safety. Am I the only one that this kind of scares the shit out of?

Are you referencing a 320 or a PDP or an M&P or a 365 or a VP9 or a P10?

The difference tween 3.5 and 5 in a stressful situation is irrelevant

Can only imagine the peeps that buy one of the above and put a box of “flawless” rounds through it and load it and put it in the sock drawer with out a holster and then grab it three years later when they hear a bump and put their finger in the trigger guard and go investigate

Yes scary

[coN]

Fully cocked, 3.5lbs, no SCD, no manual safety. Am I the only one that this kind of scares the shit out of?
I can only speak for myself but my Apex M&P meets that spec (has a slightly heavier pull) but it has earned my full confidence. Not only because I have over 7k trouble free rounds through it, but I was in a rollover and the car did 5 full rotations before we landed upright.

Her Shield had one of those kydex trigger guard holsters so she could pocket carry, i had the full size M&P in OWB @ 3 o'clock. I was in the passenger side so the gun was banged up hard each time we hit the ground. When EMS came, while the holster completely cracked the trigger guard was still covered and while taking that abuse, neither gun fired, and it was being jostled around HARD. It's gonna take some time to see if this new Glock trigger meets the same standard as the factory one because as someone stated in this thread earlier, (im paraphrasing here) the safety record of Glock is now at square one with this new trigger.

I guess I typed up all that to just say...

TL;DR Version: Nah it doesn't scare me.

[Texaspoff]

This is a huge quantifier for me. The PDP and a flat Apex FSS (with Apex barrel) are my two favorite striker-fired triggers aside from a Glock Timney Alpha. I truly feel confident I cannot miss with these 3 triggers *but* I wouldn't carry the Glock Timney.

That may change if this OEM turns into the new factory stock trigger later down the line. Now just debating if I wanna give this a shot and pull the trigger when it comes back in stock to play with in my G34.

EDIT: Puns not intended

I have no reservations about carrying my Glock with the Performance/Timney trigger in it. This designs resolves all the original Timney issues, and I don't think it could get much more Glock. I suspect they are manufacturing it in house, Timeny just developed the design for them.

Something I have also been wondering. Glock doesn't design and release anything in a hurry. I wonder if Glock approached Timney with this project before Timney released their version, and Glock and Timney struck up some kind of deal. Glock pays Timeny for all the R&D, and allows Timney to develop their own Glock trigger. The patent argument may be the other way around.

Either way, the Glock version does address the shortcomings of the original Timney Design, and I have no issues whatsoever about carrying it. As I stated before, with the current state of affairs involving ND incidents, I highly doubt Glock would release anything that could put them in the same light as the 320.


Looks pretty Glock like to me.
https://i.imgur.com/5b0Oayml.jpg

From a liability standpoint it's GTG as well. Glock is peddling it, and there is no disclaimer of being for competition use only. I also find it interested that I have heard from more than one source, this may have been developed for some FBI SRT unit. One of my administrators is at the NA currently and he is trying to verify that information, directly from the horses mouth if you will.


TXPO

[Warrior45]

Are these in stock anywhere?

Found them in-stock!

https://store.teamglock.com/glock-performance-trigger.html?_ga=2.76628501.1405120777.1673874275-1644046315.1673230103

[runngun]

What are the trigger shoe and safety tab made of (plastic/aluminum) and is the geometry compatible with existing Gen 5 aftermarket trigger shoes?

[Mirolynmonbro]

Post 106, in this Glocktalk thread has the post tying Timney to Glock:
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/glocks-perfomance-trigger.1964508/page-6#post-31810840

No source was listed for the pic/screen-shot, however, making the post's info questionable.

Timney says they don't make it

[HeavyDuty]

Why does it scare you? Gen 5s already have a 5lb trigger. It still has a blade safety and all the other safeties to keep a striker from reaching a primer without a trigger pull.

Glocks don’t need a SCD or manual safety.

You will find many here who disagree.

[HeavyDuty]

If I ever end up with a Gen5 set up for gaming I can see getting one of these. I wonder how GSSF will handle them?

[EzGoingKev]

I wonder if you can change out the ejector and use it in the 44.

[Jim Watson]

I wonder how GSSF will handle them?

I have been told, but not at first hand, that it is OK in all divisions whose guns it fits.

[Mjolnir]

Anyone know what the trigger pull weight is on these, that could be important later for me. Still 5 plus pounds?

Jason

I don’t think they are 5 lbs. it seemed like 3.5 to 4 lbs to me.

[Sasage]

In stock:

https://store.teamglock.com/glock-performance-trigger.html

[Texaspoff]

I don’t think they are 5 lbs. it seemed like 3.5 to 4 lbs to me.

So I just left a local gun range and used their lyman digital trigger gauge. 3 sets of three pulls each in the middle of the trigger shoe yielded a consistent 4 pound break each and every time. Not an average an actual 4 pound break.

With the Glock OEM standard connector installed, same testing criteria yielded 4.5 consistently.

I suspect an OEM + connector would likely hit the 5 pound range.

Personally 4 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a duty trigger.

For shits and grins we tested the pull at the bottom of the trigger shoe and was able to click off 3.4 pound pulls consistently.


TXPO

[GJM]

Crappy weather day, so we practiced on steel. I spent the session shooting my Open gun. At the end, I pulled out the Glock with the new trigger, and took three runs in a row on our steel array. I was faster with the Glock than my Open gun, and all three runs were within .01 of each other. This trigger rocks.


https://youtu.be/nZ7eM5zxwzo

[Steve m]

So I just left a local gun range and used their lyman digital trigger gauge. 3 sets of three pulls each in the middle of the trigger shoe yielded a consistent 4 pound break each and every time. Not an average an actual 4 pound break.

With the Glock OEM standard connector installed, same testing criteria yielded 4.5 consistently.

I suspect an OEM + connector would likely hit the 5 pound range.

Personally 4 pounds is perfectly acceptable for a duty trigger.

For shits and grins we tested the pull at the bottom of the trigger shoe and was able to click off 3.4 pound pulls consistently.


TXPO
I have one inbound, how hard is it to change the connector out for the standard, 4 1/2 lbs sounds perfect.
Thanks
Steve

[Biggy]

I have one inbound, how hard is it to change the connector out for the standard, 4 1/2 lbs sounds perfect.
Thanks
Steve

IMHO, once shown how to do it my someone or possibly a youtube vid, very easy.

[Texaspoff]

I have one inbound, how hard is it to change the connector out for the standard, 4 1/2 lbs sounds perfect.
Thanks
Steve

It isn't terribly hard. The trigger return spring has a small tab that sits on the trigger bar. That is the trickiest part when reassembling it. Everything else is pretty straight forward.

I still haven't actually live fired it, but I can go with the Dot connector or the standard. The difference between 4 and 4.5 pounds on a trigger pull is negligible and most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

It certainly isn't enough to make the difference between a pistols trigger action being safe or unsafe to carry IMO.





TXPO

[eric0311]

Glock is going to sell millions of these things.

Just got my OEM Performance Trigger in the mail (from Brownells)…

Wow. I’m floored. This is “The One”… the Glock trigger we’ve been searching for.

[Steve m]

Thanks mine should be here soon from Brownells

[Clobbersaurus]

I’m in on this as soon as I can find a dealer who has stock in Canada. I like my Timney’s and they are reliable for me after some tuning in my IPSC guns, but it I have to believe that Glock’s take on this trigger will be more reliable over time.

I’m rather mystified by members here who would consider putting this trigger, or any non OEM trigger mod in their carry gun, but maybe that is a topic for another thread.

[GJM]

I’m in on this as soon as I can find a dealer who has stock in Canada. I like my Timney’s and they are reliable for me after some tuning in my IPSC guns, but it I have to believe that Glock’s take on this trigger will be more reliable over time.

I’m rather mystified by members here who would consider putting this trigger, or any non OEM trigger mod in their carry gun, but maybe that is a topic for another thread.

This is an OEM trigger.

[Clobbersaurus]

This is an OEM trigger.

Right, wrong term. Still mystified.

[GJM]

Right, wrong term. Still mystified.

My understanding is that Glock developed this trigger in response to a Federal LE SWAT team request.

[HeavyDuty]

In a way, Glock’s release of this trigger is a tacit admission that things may not have been perfect…

[spyderco monkey]

In a way, Glock’s release of this trigger is a tacit admission that things may not have been perfect…

Now if we can just get an OEM frame that allows the user to change the grip angle / remove the hump, Perfection may really be achieved...

[eric0311]

Right, wrong term. Still mystified.

Why?

[HeavyDuty]

Now if we can just get an OEM frame that allows the user to change the grip angle / remove the hump, Perfection may really be achieved...

And a proper thumb safety!

[backtrail540]

It seems natural to me that Glock eventually goes this direction. The market is clearly speaking that they largely want fully cocked striker guns. All of Glock's competitors sell them, so they can sell their own and steal back some of those sales as well as selling to the folks who like the glock for what it is. Win win it would seem.

[GJM]

It seems natural to me that Glock eventually goes this direction. The market is clearly speaking that they largely want fully cocked striker guns. All of Glock's competitors sell them, so they can sell their own and steal back some of those sales as well as selling to the folks who like the glock for what it is. Win win it would seem.

My main concern with this trigger is reliability, given how problematic some Timney triggers have been. I plan to get some thousands of rounds on mine as quickly as possible.

[spyderco monkey]

It seems natural to me that Glock eventually goes this direction. The market is clearly speaking that they largely want fully cocked striker guns. All of Glock's competitors sell them, so they can sell their own and steal back some of those sales as well as selling to the folks who like the glock for what it is. Win win it would seem.

Absolutely.

It's even more ingenious as Glock gets to compete with these new pistol designs, but also gets to charge an extra $100 for the trigger that makes them competitive.

Also, if it stays Gen 5 only, the new trigger may help smother the litany of Glock Clones (Poly 80, PSA Dagger, Shadow, etc) that are based on the Gen 3 system.

[Exiledviking]

Well, I'd sure like to try one in my G19.5. If anyone decides to move theirs along please let me know.

I have a Timney in my G34.5 and I like it, so this should make for a good comparison.

[JAD]

Folks can refer to the ‘people management’ threads for why this might not be a great idea in a carry gun. My carry gun has a trigger that I’d be willing to bet is better than the performance trigger, and my excuse is that the thumb safety is my people management tool. Takes all kinds tho.

I do not expect that it’s a drop safety issue, at all — I understand and appreciate the trigger tab’s role as TXPOFF mentions. I think it will be great in competition.

[GJM]

Folks can refer to the ‘people management’ threads for why this might not be a great idea in a carry gun. My carry gun has a trigger that I’d be willing to bet is better than the performance trigger, and my excuse is that the thumb safety is my people management tool. Takes all kinds tho.

I do not expect that it’s a drop safety issue, at all — I understand and appreciate the trigger tab’s role as TXPOFF mentions. I think it will be great in competition.

Can you articulate exactly what aspects of this new trigger are problematic, compared to a "regular" Glock trigger for defensive use? I had some concerns before I dry and live fired the trigger. I still want to assess reliability, but in terms of trigger take up, pull weight and reset, I am not seeing the problem.

[JAD]

Can you articulate exactly what aspects of this new trigger are problematic, compared to a "regular" Glock trigger for defensive use? I had some concerns before I dry and live fired the trigger. I still want to assess reliability, but in terms of trigger take up, pull weight and reset, I am not seeing the problem.
All of my knowledge is third hand from this thread. Quoting TXPOFF:
”It turns the Glock from a safe action, to a single action type fire control setup. The resistance in the trigger take up on a standard Glock trigger is gone. This is due to the striker being fully cocked now when the slide cycles. The only resistance felt is being provided by the trigger return coil spring inside the connector housing.”

In my mind at least what makes a Glock trigger usable for people management is its take up, and I think the take up has to have some resistance to do that function.

I personally don’t have a dog in the fight — I won’t carry a Glock without an SCD, or any gun without some means of preventing a trigger press while holstering.

I’m sure it’s fine. After all, the P320, which has a ‘great’ trigger, has become a very popular pistol and I haven’t heard about a rash of NDs.

[GJM]

All of my knowledge is third hand from this thread. Quoting TXPOFF:
”It turns the Glock from a safe action, to a single action type fire control setup. The resistance in the trigger take up on a standard Glock trigger is gone. This is due to the striker being fully cocked now when the slide cycles. The only resistance felt is being provided by the trigger return coil spring inside the connector housing.”

In my mind at least what makes a Glock trigger usable for people management is its take up, and I think the take up has to have some resistance to do that function.

I personally don’t have a dog in the fight — I won’t carry a Glock without an SCD, or any gun without some means of preventing a trigger press while holstering.

I’m sure it’s fine. After all, the P320, which has a ‘great’ trigger, has become a very popular pistol and I haven’t heard about a rash of NDs.

I would hold off making a judgment until you have dry and live fired the new trigger. The main difference I can detect is the creep between the wall and trigger break that you get in a regular Glock trigger is absent. That makes the trigger easier to hit with, but the juice is between the wall and break, not before the wall.

[JAD]

I would hold off making a judgment until you have dry and live fired the new trigger. The main difference I can detect is the creep between the wall and trigger break that you get in a regular Glock trigger is absent. That makes the trigger easier to hit with, but the juice is between the wall and break, not before the wall.
I’ll sure hold off on posting further without firsthand experience— which I won’t get so long as it’s incompatible with the SCD.

[Joe in PNG]

The SCD incompatibility will be a problem for a lot of us here.

[WDR]

The SCD incompatibility will be a problem for a lot of us here.

It's my biggest hangup with trying one. It's not so much that the trigger is unsafe or something... but for AIWB, I really want that extra layer of safety the SCD gives. I might try one in my G34, since that won't ever be an AIWB gun for me.

It looks and sounds like this a more well engineered fully cocked striker trigger than the 320... from the standpoint of "how hard is it going to be to set this trigger off inadvertently" which I think is a good thing. That is with the big caveat that this is brand new, and not yet vetted "in the streetz"... long term durability and reliability is unknown.

[Clobbersaurus]

Why?

I can only use my pistols for range use here in Canada but I’ve been a member of PF for a long time and I feel like I’ve read enough from the experts, taken enough courses, and shot enough competition to form my own opinions. A couple of issues I have:

- I’ve never liked the trend of putting lighter triggers in striker guns meant for carry, especially those without manual safeties. Length of travel is one aspect of the safety of the trigger, but pull weight is another. I’ve shot enough competition to know that a stiff trigger has saved a poor shot from me more than once.

- Lighter triggers, at least until this new one, and it’s so new the jury is still out here, have been notoriously unreliable. I wouldn’t trust the Timney triggers in a carry gun. No way. We shall see about this one.

- Messing with the stock trigger in a carry gun to make it lighter seems like it would open up an unnecessary attack vector, in a legal sense, should you have the unfortunate need to use it.

- Stock Glock triggers are perfectly shootable and reliable. I made master in IPSC with a stock trigger. How much better of a trigger does one need in a carry gun when the most important thing is reliability?

[YVK]

I went to look for one online but not sure if I found the right item. Is this it?

https://www.canikusa.com/mete-sf-black

[medmo]

ToddG 05-22-12:

“The shooting community always blames the operator for every accident and never considers the role that equipment plays in making some guns more or less likely to facilitate those accidents.”

3.5lb pull, fully tensioned striker, no striker control device and no manual safety.

Not a damn thing has changed since then. This wisdom is just as relevant today.

[Mjolnir]

Here is a YouTube video:

https://youtu.be/FEXCYv1CSzI

[fixer]

ToddG 05-22-12:

“The shooting community always blames the operator for every accident and never considers the role that equipment plays in making some guns more or less likely to facilitate those accidents.”

3.5lb pull, fully tensioned striker, no striker control device and no manual safety.

Not a damn thing has changed since then. This wisdom is just as relevant today.

They gotta get in on the kitchen table gunsmith market somehow.

[GJM]

There is always a balance -- triggers that are easier to shoot things you want to, are also easier to shoot things you don't want to shoot. Period.

I had a 2011 that the trigger ended up at 14 ounces. That trigger was too light. Even with a thumb safety, which many consider so important, I occasionally made loud noises that I didn't intend to. I had the trigger increased to 1.5 pounds like my other 2011 competition triggers, and the problem went away. The Glock Performance trigger is lighter than a stock Glock trigger by .5 or 1 pound, but is still heavier than many triggers people put in their carry Glock pistols. Unlike many after market triggers, it does not have reduced pre travel, and actually the trigger face is more forward, barely, than a stock OEM trigger.

Besides being slightly heavier, the main difference between the Glock Performance trigger and OEM is that the standard Glock trigger typically has significant creep between the wall and the trigger break. On my Glock Performance trigger, that creep is not there. Eliminating that creep, makes the trigger much easier to hit things with. Focus on this -- once you have reached the wall, the trigger breaks more cleanly. If you have reached the wall, you better be intending to shoot, and if not, god help you if you think .5-1.0 pounds of additional trigger weight is going to save you from your negligence.

Back to where I started, the balance between being easier to hit with, versus being easier to hit what you don't intend to hit with. The Glock can be a challenging pistol for some shooters to shoot straight with. This trigger will help all Glock shooters, from poor to intermediate to really good. Assuming it turns out to be reliable, and I am trying to figure that out, this may increase the shoot ability of the Glock, and bring it closer to the PDP, VP9 and other striker pistols others often prefer to shoot over a Glock. Time will tell.

[TheNewbie]

I hope it works well for the people that use it, but I'll stick with my NY1 and SCD. The stock Gen 5 trigger was too easy to shoot, and if I couldn't use the NY1 and SCD, I would stay away from Glocks. I might have a different opinion about their stock triggers/this trigger if Glock would offer quality thumb safeties to the general public.


I don't want to derail the thread any further, so I'll leave it to the people who plan to enjoy and use this, but I share the concerns expressed by a few.

[Texaspoff]

There is always a balance -- triggers that are easier to shoot things you want to, are also easier to shoot things you don't want to shoot. Period.

I had a 2011 that the trigger ended up at 14 ounces. That trigger was too light. Even with a thumb safety, which many consider so important, I occasionally made loud noises that I didn't intend to. I had the trigger increased to 1.5 pounds like my other 2011 competition triggers, and the problem went away. The Glock Performance trigger is lighter than a stock Glock trigger by .5 or 1 pound, but is still heavier than many triggers people put in their carry Glock pistols. Unlike many after market triggers, it does not have reduced pre travel, and actually the trigger face is more forward, barely, than a stock OEM trigger.

Besides being slightly heavier, the main difference between the Glock Performance trigger and OEM is that the standard Glock trigger typically has significant creep between the wall and the trigger break. On my Glock Performance trigger, that creep is not there. Eliminating that creep, makes the trigger much easier to hit things with. Focus on this -- once you have reached the wall, the trigger breaks more cleanly. If you have reached the wall, you better be intending to shoot, and if not, god help you if you think .5-1.0 pounds of additional trigger weight is going to save you from your negligence.

Back to where I started, the balance between being easier to hit with, versus being easier to hit what you don't intend to hit with. The Glock can be a challenging pistol for some shooters to shoot straight with. This trigger will help all Glock shooters, from poor to intermediate to really good. Assuming it turns out to be reliable, and I am trying to figure that out, this may increase the shoot ability of the Glock, and bring it closer to the PDP, VP9 and other striker pistols others often prefer to shoot over a Glock. Time will tell.


This is exactly my thoughts. This isn't considered an aftermarket trigger setup. This is an optionally purchased factory part. Example, Most Sig p320's come with a standard curved trigger. They sell two optional flat triggers, one that just replaces the curved, and one that reduces trigger pull weight. Some models of 320 have those flat triggers in them from the factory.

This is the same tactic Glock is using with this product. As of now it doesn't come pre installed any any Glock model, but I suspect that will change in the future. When the Glock "-" connector was first released, it was only available in the long slide target models. Glock is going down the same road with the Performance Trigger.

As far as reliability, for all Glocks faults, one thing they do well is produce solid products, not perfect, but they are usually simplistic and work well. This trigger is actually quite simple in it's design, and works extremely well now. Long term we will see, but I don't see any reason why it won't go for thousands of rounds.

I suspect this trigger has been in the works for some time. I wouldn't be surprised honestly if they had this design planned before Timney had theirs. Glock doesn't get in a hurry about anything. Timneys Glock trigger hasn't been out very long, and I highly doubt Glock just rushed this out to the market. I have no idea if that's what happened, but knowing Glock R&D time lines, it wouldn't surprise me one bit. Just because the resemble each other in function, doesn't mean two people couldn't have come up with similar designs. A seprate trigger bar and sear design isn't something new, it's been around more than 100 years.

Everyone is getting all wrapped up in the fact this trigger averages 4 pounds and being fully tensioned or cocked, why? Just about every other striker pistol out there has a trigger that is comparable as far as weight and function. So I guess no one owns any other brand striker pistol, except Glock?

This is nothing new, Glock is just once again late to the party. This is just their version of what everyone else has been doing. The way this trigger functions is completely different than the standard Glock type triggers, and that has everyone all frazzled. It took me a few days of dry firing it to get my mind wrapped around the fact my Glock now has a trigger that feels like my 320's, VP9, etc.

As far as safety, Glock is notorious for riding the liability train. Example is the afore mentioned connectors. For the longest time they weren't even available to the public, you had to be an LE or at least an armorer to get them. No hocus pocus with the performance trigger. This was dumped out to the market with nothing more than, " should be installed by a certified Glock armorer". If there was an inkling of this being unsafe as far as it's function goes, one I doubt they would have released it to everyone. Secondly, not only would it have been an armorer installed part only, but would have likely had "For Competition use only" in big bold letters on it somewhere.

IMO Glock designed and released this trigger to make their pistols more competitive with other offerings on the market. The time has finally come when their pistols aren't the most reliable, or the most ergonomic or the best value when compared to other pistols out there. They needed something that would at least make their models viable when comparing them to other pistols. At least now, they have a trigger system that is competitive to go along with the other attributes of their products.

I suspect the next step in their attempt to move up is going to be ergo revisions. I have heard from a few sources about some changes to the next generation. Nothing drastic, but if true will be an improvement.







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[45dotACP]

And we continue the trend of shorter and lighter triggers in defensive weapons.

The new trigger looks awesome. Doubtless it will cause many better scores on the range. I am hopeful that it is the only thing it causes. I understand it was developed for a Federal LE SWAT team...but most people who own Glocks aren't Federal LE SWAT.

4lbs with no take up sounds like they want to get in on those PPQs, VP9s and 320s. What pray tell will be the situation when someone's got a gun in their hand, doesn't need to shoot someone and is trigger checking like crazy? Or the dude who mexican carries his G45 or the other dude who pocket carries a g26 sans holster.

Put differently...

Would anyone here carry an Apex flat trigger + FSS M&P with no thumb safety as a defensive pistol?

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[eric0311]

I can only use my pistols for range use here in Canada but I’ve been a member of PF for a long time and I feel like I’ve read enough from the experts, taken enough courses, and shot enough competition to form my own opinions. A couple of issues I have:

- I’ve never liked the trend of putting lighter triggers in striker guns meant for carry, especially those without manual safeties. Length of travel is one aspect of the safety of the trigger, but pull weight is another. I’ve shot enough competition to know that a stiff trigger has saved a poor shot from me more than once.

- Lighter triggers, at least until this new one, and it’s so new the jury is still out here, have been notoriously unreliable. I wouldn’t trust the Timney triggers in a carry gun. No way. We shall see about this one.

- Messing with the stock trigger in a carry gun to make it lighter seems like it would open up an unnecessary attack vector, in a legal sense, should you have the unfortunate need to use it.

- Stock Glock triggers are perfectly shootable and reliable. I made master in IPSC with a stock trigger. How much better of a trigger does one need in a carry gun when the most important thing is reliability?


I understand your reservations… everyone has their comfort zone… however, this is a factory/OEM part… I’d put money on Glock testing the heck out of this thing and probably (at the bequest of their legal team) intentionally labeled it Performance Trigger, instead of “Competition Only” in anticipation of adverse legal issues due to folks using these for defense. I just don’t see how this couldn’t be defended in court… I don’t see your logic.

[Doc_Glock]

Besides being slightly heavier, the main difference between the Glock Performance trigger and OEM is that the standard Glock trigger typically has significant creep between the wall and the trigger break. On my Glock Performance trigger, that creep is not there. Eliminating that creep, makes the trigger much easier to hit things with. Focus on this -- once you have reached the wall, the trigger breaks more cleanly. If you have reached the wall, you better be intending to shoot, and if not, god help you if you think .5-1.0 pounds of additional trigger weight is going to save you from your negligence.

Is it more like a 1911 trigger? I actually found the creepiness/sponginess of the Glock minus connector easier for me to shoot. In that it kept the release unpredictable to my brain. 1911 triggers with clearly predictable breaks lead to a little flinching on my part. It sounds crazy but I shoot the worse, spongier, longer DA type triggers better in many cases.

Either way, this trigger may prompt the experimentor in me enough to get out and shoot!

[GJM]

Is it more like a 1911 trigger? I actually found the creepiness/sponginess of the Glock minus connector easier for me to shoot. In that it kept the release unpredictable to my brain. 1911 triggers with clearly predictable breaks lead to a little flinching on my part. It sounds crazy but I shoot the worse, spongier, longer DA type triggers better in many cases.

Either way, this trigger may prompt the experimentor in me enough to get out and shoot!

I think there is enough variation in Glock triggers, enough difference in how we use words to describe triggers, and enough different techniques, that you will need to try it for yourself and see what you think. The great news, is at just under $100 it is one of the less expensive replacement Glock triggers and is so easy to switch in and out, nonwithstanding Glock's admonition to have an armorer install it.

[Gio]

I picked up one of these triggers and installed it in one of my competition guns. Here are my observations and thoughts so far:

*I am measuring about 4-4.25#'s of trigger pull vs. 4.5# in my stock gen5 Glocks. It's always hard to measure precisely on Glocks because it's hard to get the trigger pull gauge in the exact same spot on the trigger each time, but I'm not sure how JohnnyGlocks measured 3.5#. Even putting my gauge at the very bottom of the trigger, I am still around 4#. I'd have no problem carrying this if it passes all of the drop and safety testing, because I don't perceive it to be any functionally easier to accidentally press than a stock trigger.

*The break point is definitely easier to overcome and occurs *slightly* earlier in the trigger pull, but the resistance on the slack prior to the break point is heavier than on a stock gen5 trigger.

*With the fully tensioned striker, my gun is not able to pass the vertical out of battery test with a 15# aftermarket recoil spring and 5# striker spring. It definitely won't pass it with a stock 5.5# striker spring. Point the gun up, press trigger, hold trigger to the rear, retract the slide and slowly return the slide forward to see if it goes into battery. This gun was passing this test with the 5# striker spring with a stock gen5 trigger setup, and it passes with the stock RSA, so I likely need to go to a 17# recoil spring if I want to use this trigger in competition.

*After you do a dry trigger press, the trigger still articulates back and forth against the resistance of the return spring. This makes it outstanding for dry fire and may be one of the primary reasons I want to use it in my competition guns.

I'll be testing it out live fire today and can give some more feedback afterwards.

[GJM]

For those not familiar with him, Gio is easily the most skilled Glock shooter on the forum.

[Texaspoff]

Not that it makes any difference, but I was able to get confirmation the FBI was directly involved in the designing of this trigger system. Timney was not involved with it in anyway, it was manufactured by Glock.







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[ssb]

Does the trigger address overtravel at all?

[coN]

Would anyone here carry an Apex flat trigger + FSS M&P with no thumb safety as a defensive pistol?
*slowly raises hand*

A stock Gen5 19/17 is my daily driver but occasionally I used to take my Apex'd M&P out from time to time with full confidence. But ever since I got my can, it's now my primary HD weapon since it pairs with my Obsidian.

https://i.ibb.co/GRf1M9L/20221116-144629.jpg (https://ibb.co/tDwN2zt)

[Texaspoff]

Does the trigger address overtravel at all?

There is virtually no overtravel. It stops directly after the break.





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[Mirolynmonbro]

*With the fully tensioned striker, my gun is not able to pass the vertical out of battery test with a 15# aftermarket recoil spring and 5# striker spring. It definitely won't pass it with a stock 5.5# striker spring. Point the gun up, press trigger, hold trigger to the rear, retract the slide and slowly return the slide forward to see if it goes into battery. This gun was passing this test with the 5# striker spring with a stock gen5 trigger setup, and it passes with the stock RSA, so I likely need to go to a 17# recoil spring if I want to use this trigger in competition.

Why does this test matter? When does that scenario ever occur when shooting? (Serious question, not being a butt)

[JHC]

Why does this test matter? When does that scenario ever occur when shooting? (Serious question, not being a butt)

I learned that test was to determine whether or not the recoil spring was in spec. To go full into battery with those steps.

I have no idea what the implications are for this trigger system.

[Texaspoff]

I learned that test was to determine whether or not the recoil spring was in spec. To go full into battery with those steps.

I have no idea what the implications are for this trigger system.


Yeah it's one of the Armorers tests. I did the full test with my Gen5 19 with the trigger and it passes the battery tests and the firing pin rattle test.




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[GJM]

I am three range sessions and about 400 rounds into my new trigger, and it feels the same as when I put it in, and so far is working fine.

[msstate56]

This thread got beat to death while I was away for the weekend. As most have already said- just get one. If you don't like it, I'll buy it from you. It makes my Gen 5 45s shoot like I always wish they would. No more monkeying with striker springs, connectors and aftermarket triggers. Just use this Glock factory part and get to shooting.

[Blades]

My guess is yes. You could probably use a standard connector in it and that would likely bring the pull back to 5 pounds or more.




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What about the + connector, the 8lb one? Would that help those concerned about the easier pull of the performance trigger?

[GJM]

What about the + connector, the 8lb one? Would that help those concerned about the easier pull of the performance trigger?

I get pre travel and total trigger travel as possibly being helpful in avoiding an ND. I don't understand how a pound plus or minus of trigger weight is going to make a difference.

[Blades]

I get pre travel and total trigger travel as possibly being helpful in avoiding an ND. I don't understand how a pound plus or minus of trigger weight is going to make a difference.

Me neither, but people like a heavy trigger for safety.

[WDR]

*After you do a dry trigger press, the trigger still articulates back and forth against the resistance of the return spring. This makes it outstanding for dry fire and may be one of the primary reasons I want to use it in my competition gun.

That is pretty interesting. If street prices come down near $75ish... I might have to dip my toe in. I will admit, being 100% in on SCD's for AIWB, I'm pretty torn on wanting/not wanting to give this trigger a go. I'm afraid if I like it, I want one in every Glock.

[YVK]

I get pre travel and total trigger travel as possibly being helpful in avoiding an ND. I don't understand how a pound plus or minus of trigger weight is going to make a difference.

That pound is a 20% relative difference. Why is 20% relative difference in life expectancy, IQ, or net wealth is significant but in trigger pull it isn't?
In a recent discussion about the VP9 we learned that German police mandates not only longer distances but also a heavier weight.
It is kind of the same thing that is seen in 1911s. When I got into them, the accepted duty weight was 4.5 to 5. I remember seeing custom builds sheets with those numbers. Now WC and such ship them out with 3.5 from factory.
I think the answer is that 1 extra pound is, give or take, 20% extra margin for an unintended trigger contact. Maybe it is significant, maybe not.

[msstate56]

I get pre travel and total trigger travel as possibly being helpful in avoiding an ND. I don't understand how a pound plus or minus of trigger weight is going to make a difference.

I agree. I don’t see how this trigger is any less safe than a stock Gen 5 trigger. Plenty of studies have shown that a “sympathetic reflex” trigger pull would still happen even with a ridiculously heavy trigger. We are way past using a heavy trigger to prevent ND’s. Keeping your finger off the trigger does.

[HeavyDuty]

I get pre travel and total trigger travel as possibly being helpful in avoiding an ND. I don't understand how a pound plus or minus of trigger weight is going to make a difference.

For me, it has nothing to do with the trigger pull - this sounds delightful. It’s all about reholstering and the inability to take a SCD.

[GJM]

That pound is a 20% relative difference. Why is 20% relative difference in life expectancy, IQ, or net wealth is significant but in trigger pull it isn't?
In a recent discussion about the VP9 we learned that German police mandates not only longer distances but also a heavier weight.
It is kind of the same thing that is seen in 1911s. When I got into them, the accepted duty weight was 4.5 to 5. I remember seeing custom builds sheets with those numbers. Now WC and such ship them out with 3.5 from factory.
I think the answer is that 1 extra pound is, give or take, 20% extra margin for an unintended trigger contact. Maybe it is significant, maybe not.

Not buying it. Twenty percent more net worth means a lot if it belongs to Jeff Bezos, to many people not so much. It is .5 to a pound -- do you think half a pound to a pound matters if you have a shirt tail in your holster, you have a startle response, or are trigger checking? Google tells me that the average male has a grip strength of 72 pounds and 20-29 year old has about 100 pounds. Think 8-16 ounces is meaningful?

[WDR]

For me, it has nothing to do with the trigger pull - this sounds delightful. It’s all about reholstering and the inability to take a SCD.

That is (in combination with AIWB) my #1 reason to not carry this trigger. I'm intrigued by the positive remarks so far from folks here though. Enough so that I'll probably get around to trying one, if just for a "fun" gun, and not for carry.

[YVK]

Think 8-16 ounces is meaningful?

I think so, I just can't tell the odds. Quantity has a quality of its own, whether length of travel, pull weight, or combination thereof. Look at it this way: it seems that 8-16 oz, going down, are meaningful in making this thing more shootable. Why then they are not meaningful, going up, in giving it a higher margins of safety against certain things? I am not talking about full on trigger presses by able-bodied shooters but like subconscious trigger checks, gear contact etc.

[WobblyPossum]

I’d be willing to carry a gun with this trigger AIWB since it sounds like it leave all safeties intact. I would prefer to carry a Glock with an SCD over one without but I can’t install an SCD in my work approved guns anyway. Only my Glocks that I don’t actually carry have SCDs installed. It doesn’t sound like this trigger is any less safe than the regular trigger other than the lack of compatibility with the SCD. I don’t see how taking a half pound off a five pound trigger is hugely detrimental to safety, especially if trigger travel distance hasn’t changed, only the feel- characteristics of the trigger pull. I’ve said that I’m not interested in it but the reason I said that is that this trigger is not approved for my work guns. I wouldn’t be able to have it installed in the guns that I might have to count on. It’s not because I think it’s unsafe.

[msstate56]

All this SCD talk has me wondering how I haven’t killed myself in the streetz daily carrying Glocks without them for almost 2 decades.

[Biggy]

When carrying AIWB or at 4:00 *I* would rather have a *good* standard Glock OEM trigger that breaks around 4.5 lbs and is SCD compatible than this new OEM Performance trigger that is not SCD compatible. My concerns are really only when I would be when reholstering the pistol.

IMHO, there are pro’s and con’s with about everything and no action type, SCD or manual thumb safety are an absolute guarantee that you will not have an ND when reholstering the pistol, but with training they can tip the odds in your favor that you don’t have one. I’ve carried Glock’s AIWB in the past with no SCD and it was not something I feared doing but these days *I* like to have the option of a SCD or manual thumb safety on my striker pistols.

I’m 71, in decent shape physically and mentally (my wife may not agree with me on the last one though), but I do find myself forgetting where I put my glasses maybe two or three times a week. I can live with that, but forgetting to keep my finger off the trigger while reholstering the pistol I might not. One mistake could be your last. IMHO, just choose what *you* feel is right for you, because it is your choice.