Glock OEM Performance Trigger

[Blades]

I got the email today too. Had to update my credit card, which hopefully didn't delay shipment by too much.

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I had to update my credit card also. Hmmm.... I'm sure it's okay. :)

[YVK]

So, folks, explain this to me. We took something that has had a rep of running even if you treated it like a lawnmower and changed it into something that needs more care than a 1911 lockwork. Is it really worth it?

[dontshakepandas]

So, folks, explain this to me. We took something that has had a rep of running even if you treated it like a lawnmower and changed it into something that needs more care than a 1911 lockwork. Is it really worth it?

I think that totally depends on the application and the tolerance of the specific person using it.

For competition? If it gives you better/faster hits it could be worth the trade off considering the only down side would be if it locks up you bomb a stage.

For carry/duty? I would lean towards no, but I'm not someone who enjoys performing maintenance my guns and I can shoot fairly well with the stock gen 5 triggers. For someone who is going to clean/lube their gun every week either way it may not be a huge factor for them. Someone who really struggles with a stock Glock trigger but does well with the performance trigger may also find the trade off worth it if they feel that is the only way they could get adequate hits.

[ldunnmobile]

3 drops of lube every 3000 rounds is maintenance intensive?

Not a blip on my radar but to each his own.

[stomridertx]

So, folks, explain this to me. We took something that has had a rep of running even if you treated it like a lawnmower and changed it into something that needs more care than a 1911 lockwork. Is it really worth it?

That seems to be a bit of a hyperbolic description of a drop of oil every few thousand rounds. I already do that to the original Glock trigger.

[45dotACP]

Is this the part of this timeline where Glock has become the 1911?

All the Gucci Glock custom shops, shorter lighter triggers, different companies making different magazines of differing quality and people stuffing more rounds into glock 43 mags than they were originally designed for...

Now we finally have the part where a glock part requires a 1911 level of lubrication to work.

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[BillSWPA]

Many of us have duplicates of our carry guns, and put the wear and tear on the duplicates, not the carry guns. It would therefore be the duplicates that get regular attention.

Are we sure that the lube is required at the intervals discussed above? Are we sure that the gun will function well if it was fired for only 2,000 rounds, or carried for only 2 months?

Do we know the rate at which the lube is dripping out of place while the gun is being carried?

I am a big believer in keeping my carry guns well maintained, but work and family obligations can get in the way of everything happening perfectly. I need my guns to work under imperfect conditions.

[stomridertx]

Is this the part of this timeline where Glock has become the 1911?

All the Gucci Glock custom shops, shorter lighter triggers, different companies making different magazines of differing quality and people stuffing more rounds into glock 43 mags than they were originally designed for...

Now we finally have the part where a glock part requires a 1911 level of lubrication to work.

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Are you guys seriously not running Glocks with lubrication? It's right there in the manual: oil the slide rails, locking block interface, and connector. I actually run grease on the rails and in the locking block inteface of the barrel. It can run really dirty, but runs better lubricated. Do you guys run AR-15s that are also extremely reliable but should be run wet? Unless you have NP3 coating, metal on metal lubrication is a thing in every platform.

[eric0311]

So, folks, explain this to me. We took something that has had a rep of running even if you treated it like a lawnmower and changed it into something that needs more care than a 1911 lockwork. Is it really worth it?

That’s a stretch… any weapon requires maintenance… and yes, this trigger is “worth it”…. It far surpasses any configuration of factory and non-factory trigger parts (connectors/springs/etc) that I’ve tried in any generation of Glock pistol. It’s pretty awesome.

[Biggy]

I have a really good Johnny Glock trigger using Glock OEM parts in my Gen 5 G19, and carrying AIWB I can use the SCD with it for added safety and piece of mind. I tried the new Glock performance trigger and it had a little bit nicer trigger characteristics overall, but ** for me** it did not transfer into any significant accuracy or time gains, so I sold it.

[GJM]

I don't think the 1911/2011 trigger analogy works. The 2011 trigger, in my experience, and emphasis on "my experience" is pretty durable but the rest of the 2011 takes more PM than the trigger. The Glock performance trigger is under $100, can be installed yourself, and switched as part of a Glock lower change as you desire. I have a dedicated 17/34 lower, a dedicated 45/47 lower and a dedicated 19 lower with the Glock performance trigger which allows me to switch between triggers at will. I am still evaluating whether I will carry the performance trigger, but with three of them and zero problems to date over some thousands of rounds, I am getting close. I do lube them periodically, but since I started shooting s 2011, I do more pm than I used to.

If you feel like an OEM trigger does what you need in a Glock, don't waste your time and money. If you want a Glock trigger closer to some other strikers with better triggers, $99 bucks for an easy to drop in trigger assembly that significantly improves the trigger is a great value. Whenever I ship a pistol to a gunsmith it costs more round trip than the Glock trigger.

[GJM]

We all routinely make trade offs between cost, performance, durability and reliability. I wouldn't install the Glock performance trigger in a pistol for someone that wants an appliance that they have zero interest in interacting with. Then again, I wouldn't install a red dot in that person's pistol, because it takes more maintenance than iron sights. I wouldn't install a compensator either.

When I look at my EDC pistol, I see a Glock 19 with a 407 CO, and a Mayhem Syndicate barrel and comp. That means I have to be more careful about selecting a load that will run the comp, keeping my optic clean, and changing the battery. The performance I believe I get out of those modifications is enough that the added pm is a worthwhile trade off for me. For others, it may be different.

[backtrail540]

Mine arrived. I actually don't have any factory g5 glock lowers here at the moment as they're both out getting cosmetic surgery. But i may drop it in my nomad if i need to satisfy my curiosity. But i think I'll be able to wait out the lowers so it'll be a week or so, most likely.

[YVK]

Are you guys seriously not running Glocks with lubrication?

I don't remember when I lubricated ignition parts on my Glocks. Rails, locking block, slide where I see wear marks, maybe barrel. I understand that this may be not what the manual says but I never found that I needed to, whether for reliability or parts wear or parts breakage prevention. The difference between a pretty much infallible ignition system, lube or not, to something that must be lubricated for reliability reasons is that type of a binary stuff that I feel meh about. I understand that others may have different takes or have more expectations of their Glock triggers or performance with them.

[45dotACP]

Are you guys seriously not running Glocks with lubrication? It's right there in the manual: oil the slide rails, locking block interface, and connector. I actually run grease on the rails and in the locking block inteface of the barrel. It can run really dirty, but runs better lubricated. Do you guys run AR-15s that are also extremely reliable but should be run wet? Unless you have NP3 coating, metal on metal lubrication is a thing in every platform.I mean, I'll put a few drops of oil on the connector and rails, but only really when I remember.

The manual says lots of goofy stuff, like telling me not to carry a round in the chamber or use reloads, too.

I more or less put oil on the rails of my 1911s or Beretta 92s whenever I clean them (also only really when I remember)

I just found it funny that the gun that was so valiantly defended by its proponents as being bomb proof reliable has now graduated to having parts that need a regular maintenance schedule beyond "Well its been 6 months...probably time to clean my Glock"

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[willie]

Shooters once bragged about not cleaning or lubing Glocks, and they did so to the extent that maybe some thought maintaining was not cool. Lubing a Glock requires minute amounts of oil. Brushing the chamber is effortless. Wiping slide surfaces including breech face can be done in 60 seconds. I never understood not performing minimal cleaning and lubing.

[GJM]

This is the historic Glock recommended lubrication:

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Here is the new trigger recommended lubrication:

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[M2CattleCo]

3 drops of lube every 3000 rounds is maintenance intensive?

Not a blip on my radar but to each his own.


What kind of lube?
What size are the drops supposed to be?
Firing schedule of the 3K rounds?
Do environmental conditions change the lube amount/schedule?


The 3K round number was pulled out of someone’s ass.

[GJM]

What kind of lube?
What size are the drops supposed to be?
Firing schedule of the 3K rounds?
Do environmental conditions change the lube amount/schedule?


The 3K round number was pulled out of someone’s ass.

I am not sure about 3k, but I clean and lube my Glock much more frequently than that. More like every 500-700 rounds when shooting regularly, and periodically if the pistol is being carried and not shot. My "cleaning" consists of running a bore snake once each direction, wiping down the pistol with the slide off to remove obvious dust and grime, and lubricating.

Are people running their Glocks 2-3k rounds without cleaning and lubrication?

Here is What Glock says about the new trigger. I find "optimal" and "every day carry" to be the interesting parts.

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[1Rangemaster]

Shooters once bragged about not cleaning or lubing Glocks, and they did so to the extent that maybe some thought maintaining was not cool. Lubing a Glock requires minute amounts of oil. Brushing the chamber is effortless. Wiping slide surfaces including breech face can be done in 60 seconds. I never understood not performing minimal cleaning and lubing.

I’m just quoting to agree and comment. I am a GLOCK Armorer and have attended “Advanced” classes; nothing extraordinary, just putting it out there for reference.
In the factory courses it is specifically stated GLOCK pistols should have an annual inspection. This consists of a detail strip, cleaning and inspection. An exception would be where a pistol has gone in salt water for example.
JMO, but the GLOCK having a reputation for reliability and durability is a two edged sword. Many think no maintenance is necessary; coupled with human failings, i.e., laziness in some cases, it can build up to where things are gunked up/don’t work right. I recall years ago a coworker who did not even put minimal lube on his competition gun and suffered a harder and harder trigger pull in competition. Drop of oil cleared it up.
I believe if you’re going to have a piece of emergency equipment, it should be checked periodically. In our facility we have fire extinguishers. People periodically inspect them. I do the same thing for my carry weapons, and clean every 6 months.
I confess to being human and failing. We have had a Performance Trigger as a sample for several weeks now. IMO, it improves the trigger pull. I have seen slight improvements in performance. But if I ran it, I’d attend to it. Same with my earlier ACRO P-1.
The Performance Trigger has a few more parts. Complexity should be attended to. If the factory says add a little lube, so be it. If one wants performance, that is a minuscule price to pay.

[Crusader]

I wonder if anyone has dropped one in a 44 yet, the overall lightness of the 44 can make it challenging to shoot accurately consistently with the stock Gen 5 trigger. You tend to get more muzzle movement, challenging as it may be it’s really good training. The PT should make it easier to shoot accurately consistently, especially if you use one in competition.

[Steve m]

Really enjoying mine, I have one that has ~1500rds through it in a g19. For me, it is definitely enhancing, my practice score are~10-15% better compared to my old set up (apex connector). Just got my second one (with the lube instructions) have not shot that one yet.

[maximus83]

Got out to the range today with the GPT in the G45, about 150 rds. It's noticeably easier to shoot well than the OEM trigger--lighter, smoother, but still a distinct and predictable break. Today I was shooting one-handed with strong hand at 3/5/7/15, and with support hand 3/5/7. The GPT difference was really noticeable here.

[Exiledviking]

I just got back from the range. I shot the GPT and Timney side by side and I found that I prefer the GPT over the Timney. As other have said previously, it's easier to make the more precise shots with the GPT over the stock trigger (I also shot a stock but well broken in G19.2 today). I just ordered another GPT to replace the Timney in my G34.5. Looks like they're OOS again at most vendors. These triggers are selling like hotcakes. Now I know why...

[coN]

200 rounds in today with a 19.5 and this makes a huge difference. Teensy bit heavier than the Timney in my G17L but just as precise when taking shots so it's not a big deal. The trade off of oiling it up every 3000 rounds is definitely worthwhile for the increase in performance.

I personally would carry this with confidence in my 19.

[Biggy]

I have a *really good* Johnny Glock conventional trigger using Glock OEM parts in my Gen 5 G19, and carrying AIWB I can use the SCD with it for added safety and piece of mind. I tried the new Glock performance trigger and it had a little bit nicer trigger characteristics overall, but ** for me** it did not transfer into any significant accuracy or time gains, so I sold it.

[jandbj]

I wonder if anyone has dropped one in a 44 yet, the overall lightness of the 44 can make it challenging to shoot accurately consistently with the stock Gen 5 trigger. You tend to get more muzzle movement, challenging as it may be it’s really good training. The PT should make it easier to shoot accurately consistently, especially if you use one in competition.

Waiting on one to try exactly this. I asked the same question upthread somewhere. According to ARFCOM it works in the G44 with an ejector swap. I have an ejector in hand… just no GPT yet. Hoping it’s true.

[pangloss]

Waiting on one to try exactly this. I asked the same question upthread somewhere. According to ARFCOM it works in the G44 with an ejector swap. I have an ejector in hand… just no GPT yet. Hoping it’s true.https://youtu.be/NmD_Ow70ciY



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[Crusader]

Waiting on one to try exactly this. I asked the same question upthread somewhere. According to ARFCOM it works in the G44 with an ejector swap. I have an ejector in hand… just no GPT yet. Hoping it’s true.

What ejector do you have to switch over to.

[pangloss]

What ejector do you have to switch over to.

To run the GPT in a G44, you need to swap out the GPT ejector for a G44 ejector. I haven't tried it yet, so count this post as hearsay.

[Crusader]

To run the GPT in a G44, you need to swap out the GPT ejector for a G44 ejector. I haven't tried it yet, so count this post as hearsay.

Ok Duh, I get it now. You just need to replace the ejector that comes with the GPT with the stock 44 ejector…In theory.

[pangloss]

Ok Duh, I get it now. You just need to replace the ejector that comes with the GPT with the stock 44 ejector…In theory.

That's my understanding. I've never played with swapping ejectors, but I think they just pull straight out.

[WDR]

That's my understanding. I've never played with swapping ejectors, but I think they just pull straight out.

Not sure about the one in a 44, but the other glocks ejectors can be pushed out from the rear using the common glock takedown tool/punch once the trigger housing is removed from the frame.

[DDTSGM]

I got the email today too. Had to update my credit card, which hopefully didn't delay shipment by too much.

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I got the same notification, unfortunately I was traveling and didn't see it within the 48 hour window and lost my place in line.

Glock Store had them in stock, so I ordered one from them.

[1Rangemaster]

Not sure about the one in a 44, but the other glocks ejectors can be pushed out from the rear using the common glock takedown tool/punch once the trigger housing is removed from the frame.

Respectfully, sir, I don’t believe that is correct. I believe the Glock punch is a little too big for that slot. A 1/8” blade screwdriver might do to start it, and then pull out the rest of the way. Definitely wouldn’t be “factory approved”. I would guess sometime in the future they will make different calibers as they catch up. FWIW, the new Armorer manual shows disassembly of the unit.
We are cleaning our sample between 500-1000 rounds and lubing per instructions with little issue. I like this trigger for competition. I have it in a “works” gun with a Radian barrel/comp, and am going to swap some test dots around to see how that goes. With a bigger light-TLR1 or X300-that could be helpful with muzzle flip. My groups see improvement; YMMV.

[maximus83]

In an earlier post I measured the GPT trigger on a Lyman gauge and came up with 10-pull avg break weights of either 4 lbs 1 oz, or 4 lbs 7.5 oz.

Wasn't satisfied with the variation there, and wanted to figure out a better pull method to accurately gauge this trigger. Then I saw this part of the video where Johnny Glock uses his pull gauge on the GPT, and gets about a 3 lb break weight:

https://youtu.be/FhjuiDjrYrQ?t=429

So I tried the Lyman again, avg of 10 pulls and imitated his pull method: straight back, bottom of trigger, gun held flat on table. Tried this method a few times with all my Glocks, and it definitely gets more consistent and repeatable results.

So now the updated avg of 10 pulls on the GPT, using his method: 3 lbs 2.9 oz.

Still don't know if that's the *actual* real-world break weight for this trigger. And like he says later in the video, it doesn't matter that much. Either way, whether the break is about 4 lbs as I saw earlier, or closer to 3 lbs, this is one heck of a light trigger pull. Lighter than any 1911 I ever carried.

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[GJM]

Respectfully, sir, I don’t believe that is correct. I believe the Glock punch is a little too big for that slot. A 1/8” blade screwdriver might do to start it, and then pull out the rest of the way. Definitely wouldn’t be “factory approved”. I would guess sometime in the future they will make different calibers as they catch up. FWIW, the new Armorer manual shows disassembly of the unit.
We are cleaning our sample between 500-1000 rounds and lubing per instructions with little issue. I like this trigger for competition. I have it in a “works” gun with a Radian barrel/comp, and am going to swap some test dots around to see how that goes. With a bigger light-TLR1 or X300-that could be helpful with muzzle flip. My groups see improvement; YMMV.

I think I understand the lubing part, but what cleaning are you doing on the trigger?

[GJM]

In an earlier post I measured the GPT trigger on a Lyman gauge and came up with 10-pull avg break weights of either 4 lbs 1 oz, or 4 lbs 7.5 oz.

Wasn't satisfied with the variation there, and wanted to figure out a better pull method to accurately gauge this trigger. Then I saw this part of the video where Johnny Glock uses his pull gauge on the GPT, and gets about a 3 lb break weight:

https://youtu.be/FhjuiDjrYrQ?t=429

So I tried the Lyman again, avg of 10 pulls and imitated his pull method: straight back, bottom of trigger, gun held flat on table. Tried this method a few times with all my Glocks, and it definitely gets more consistent and repeatable results.

So now the updated avg of 10 pulls on the GPT, using his method: 3 lbs 2.9 oz.

Still don't know if that's the *actual* real-world break weight for this trigger. And like he says later in the video, it doesn't matter that much. Either way, whether the break is about 4 lbs as I saw earlier, or closer to 3 lbs, this is one heck of a light trigger pull. Lighter than any 1911 I ever carried.

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In my experience, the Lyman gives me lighter pull weights on striker pistols than other gauges, like my Wheeler.

[1Rangemaster]

I think I understand the lubing part, but what cleaning are you doing on the trigger?

I apologize for the vagueness. What I have done at around 1,000 rounds is give a couple of shots of gun scrubber to the trigger mechanism housing. We have a compressed air hose in our cleaning room so I give the rear of the pistol a blast of that. Then I relube according to the directions you put up earlier.
It is pretty clear the relubing is sufficient, as the factory indicates. I have the equipment, so I am just utilizing it.
I do something similar with my traditional triggers-just the single drop of oil on the connector/trigger bar interface. Two other drops for the Performance bits.
FWIW, I detail strip at 6 months (4th of July and New Years) my carry guns, as I practice and occasionally compete with them. I’ll probably change that in a year or so and have a “carry” MOS and a practice/competition gun set up pretty much the same way. The guns I shoot less, like the 26, 43 and 43X will get the annual treatment.

[Navin Johnson]

GJM you have a lot of gats it seems what is this trigger most like?

A 365, shield plus, P320, VP9

Soft break like Shield plus, bit of a decreasing tension, rolling brake, like a 365?

I don’t think actual weights are meaningful without context

Thanks

[GJM]

GJM you have a lot of gats it seems what is this trigger most like?

A 365, shield plus, P320, VP9

Soft break like Shield plus, bit of a decreasing tension, rolling brake, like a 365?

I don’t think actual weights are meaningful without context

Thanks

In terms of comparing to other strikers, it is very hard for me to separate the trigger from the rest of the Glock grip, grip angle and recoil characteristics, but I can easily say it is the best Gen 5 Glock trigger I have experienced. Some Gen 3 triggers have been awesome but then you didn't get the other Gen 5 benefits like the mag opening, breach cut and accuracy.

[Spartan1980]

In terms of comparing to other strikers, it is very hard for me to separate the trigger from the rest of the Glock grip, grip angle and recoil characteristics, but I can easily say it is the best Gen 5 Glock trigger I have experienced. Some Gen 3 triggers have been awesome but then you didn't get the other Gen 5 benefits like the mag opening, breach cut and accuracy.

I would completely concur. I just installed three of them in my GSSF guns. I'd add that it's what I understand a "rolling break" to be. That's not my preference, but it's still a hell of an improvement in the staple gun like feel of the Glock trigger. Those 25 yard targets are going to get hit better for sure.

[backtrail540]

My first impressions dry pressing and comparing after install. I've yet to shoot it live though. Clipped from a convo with a friend.

It's a very nice trigger. I'm not convinced that it is suitable for carry for me... pretty light. Very reminiscent of a performance center m&p trigger but with less pretravel. More pretravel than a 320 max i have available for comparison. I actually think the pretravel is standard glock just no tension. There is a wall but it's faint but seems predictable. More wall than my fancy overwatch/ghost trigger. Definitely the answer for games i think. That's just initial impression from dry practice.

[backtrail540]

Something i forgot, the trigger shoe is great. The safety tab falls flush and while it's mostly flat there is a small amount of angle at the bottom that keeps your finger from rubbing the frame. At least for me. I really dig it and want to see if it will fit a standard trigger bar.

[Nick B]

Hopefully they’ll come out with one for the large frame models .

[coN]

Another 250 in today but this time it was with a zeroed EPS. With the dot, it showed me groups i could not shoot this well with the 19.5 stock trigger. Ragged holes about 2.5 - 3 inches wide @ 15 yards, 1 second between shots. I am beyond pleased with this trigger aside from it's "meh" aesthetics.

Once I hit 1000 with no hiccups, im calling it good, oiling it up again and putting it in rotation amongst a Shield and a LCP Max.

[PD Sgt.]

I have installed two now, one in a 17 and the other in a 45. Interestingly, the 45 break is noticeably lighter than the 17’s. I don’t have a gauge to measure, but if I had to guess probably around a half pound lighter. Feel is very similar.

Myself and another guy in my unit both are not sure about them for duty use yet. Both of mine are in personal guns and not working guns. To paraphrase others more notable than I, we spend a lot more time not shooting people than shooting people, and and there is not as much room for changing a decision with this trigger compared to the regular Glock trigger.

On another note, and apologies if this has been mentioned, does anyone know if these are compatible with Dry-Fire mags? I have not been able to find anything on it anywhere.

[earlan357]

So I uploaded my trigger test rig data to a public interactive graph. Tested a stock Gen5 trigger and Glock Performance with OEM connectors. They're stock other than about 1000 dry fires to break them in. I also tested a "P1" custom spring I'm working on. Everything can be filtered for easy comparison. Below is a cheat sheet on how to interpret the graphs. I ended up reprogramming the rig so now it takes into account the additional overtravel created when the trigger is pinned back and the slide is cycled. This shows the true reset distance. I had to set the "finger" of the rig a little lower than where your finger naturally rests due to clearance issues, so the weights are about 15% lighter than what you'd expect, but they're consistent and repeatable enough to make valid comparisons.

Link to graph: https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/earl.an3499/viz/GlockPerformanceTriggerConnectorComparisionwP1Spri ng/Sheet1

Graph cheat sheet:
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhLdhUWVNgLw52_fOclk3Tg8GCWt9urzHYWwJNG3OQxK6 drhHDo7vh9uiWXzlIKZAzyzT6qXOXqsSW0qSrQrbpnjdlD20qp nPz1D0pnVTl-6sbmYEKeDGW3q5jJpojiZJIV5DRuX3-Xq0Bw5oxiuZ4a8RagrY0qwkEucoTGri_9JsAWqAd8fJPH5F94i A/s1761/Trigger%20graph%20interpret.png

[45dotACP]

One of the guys at the range had one of these on his G45.

It's definitely impressive how Glock made a trigger that can very clearly compete with the fancy aftermarket triggers out there.

I am still very not sold on the idea of one of these joints on a defensive firearm, but I also don't think a PPQ or a VP9 that great as a defensive pistol either.

For a competition setup, it's very impressive.

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[earlan357]

Here's the correct link to the graphs.

https://public.tableau.com/views/GlockPerformanceTriggerConnectorComparisionwP1Spri ng/Sheet1?:language=en-US&:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link

[DDTSGM]

earlan357 - thanks for sharing the graphs!

I had originally ordered the performance trigger from Magil's Glock Store and was waiting for shipment. While I was on vaca and not checking my emails they sent me a notification that I needed to resubmit my payment information and had 48 hours to do so. I missed the deadline and sent them a terse email about the situation. Did not resubmit my payment info. Instead I ordered on from THE Glock Store in Smyrna.

That trigger shipped the next day and arrived a couple days ago. Imagine my surprise when I received a priority mail bag in the mail today and it contained a Performance Trigger from Magil's Glock Store. I installed the second one in a G44, the first went in my 19X.

Took both to the range today. The trigger in 19X was noticeably better. I shot the 35 yard stage of the action pistol barricade event - 6 rounds in 8 seconds - a couple times. My strong hand side groups were noticeably better - I cleaned a one run, and only dropped 2 to 4 points on the others.

The G44 was relegated to single shot as I had grabbed the magazine case with my Advantage Arms magazines instead of the G44 mags. I shot around 15 rounds before I became bored with the process, all of them were in the black x ring of the action pistol target - which was to be expected since I was taking my time using a dot on the G44. Have to make a return trip with the correct mags to test further.

When I showed my wife the triggers, she decided she wanted them for her G44 and G48. (I notice there are no comments about the CC bill when I'm buying her gun parts)

[Exiledviking]

I installed my 2nd GPT yesterday along with a NP3 coated minus connector in my G34.5. Initially I tried it as it came and it didn't feel as good as the first GPT I received from the Team Glock Store and put in my G19.5. So, I decided to try it with a minus connector. It still didn't break as nicely as the 1st GPT.
Today I went to the range to run the two Glocks side by side and see if there was a clear winner. Lo and behold, I found that I could shoot the OE set up GPT better. The groups were significantly tighter with the stock GPT.
Got home and promptly swapped out the minus connector for the OE connector. The break is still better in the first GPT I got from the Team Glock Store. Hopefully the 2nd GPT will break in and become more like the 1st one.

Also, thank you to fatdog for the instructions on how to get the trigger bar back into the housing. That helped a LOT. When I put the original Dot connector back in today I was able to replace it in less than 5 minutes.

[backtrail540]

I finally got to the range with my GPT. Only 150 rounds of mostly familiarization. Some groups at 25, various pairs on high and low percentage targets, a run of the supertest from the holster. Not enough to really make a whole opinion but my current thoughts are -

Nice trigger, predictable break/wall, standard glock takeup, a touch on the light side but not scary light. My predictions are this - if one carries a mp, vp9, pdp, or 320 etc...pretensioned striker then they won't have any issues carrying this. If one carries aftermarket or slicked up glock triggers and no gadget then they won't have an issue carrying this. If you are dedicated to the gadget or think stock glock triggers are too light then you will not be comfortable carrying this. I currently am not convinced that the small performance gain is worth losing the utility of a gadget but i'm going to keep running it and keep an open mind. After a few hundred more rounds I'll likely move it to a fullsize gun and keep it there. It's good enough to keep around for sure. Not convinced I'll take a gadget off my practice gun though.

[ST911]

I'm liking the GPT. Recommendation to clean/lube ~500rds or so appears valid, my reset and trigger travel went sluggish about that time. Wipe out and lube corrected it, but it still seems like a lower number than it should be. I'll see how often it repeats. If the gun will go for a few thousand rounds without stoppage I'd like the trigger to as well. Carry/duty reliability is pending. I'm not a gadget user so no issues there. Overall, very interesting. I have a lot more inherent confidence in a drop in OEM better trigger than many others.

[GJM]

I'm liking the GPT. Recommendation to clean/lube ~500rds or so appears valid, my reset and trigger travel went sluggish about that time. Wipe out and lube corrected it, but it still seems like a lower number than it should be. I'll see how often it repeats. If the gun will go for a few thousand rounds without stoppage I'd like the trigger to as well. Carry/duty reliability is pending. I'm not a gadget user so no issues there. Overall, very interesting. I have a lot more inherent confidence in a drop in OEM better trigger than many others.

I am curious if an every 500 round or so lubrication will keep the trigger running, or if you need to hit it with gun scrubber and then lube?

[ST911]

I am curious if an every 500 round or so lubrication will keep the trigger running, or if you need to hit it with gun scrubber and then lube?

I'm going to try to parse that out.

[coN]

Im approaching 750+ rounds and the trigger started getting a teensy bit sticky/sluggish. Still very usable but doesn't feel 100%, more like 85 - 90%. I'm gonna keep pushing till I hit the 1000 round park, clean it out with good ole Hoppes and then hit it with some Hornady One Shot and see how well a dry lube performs in it.

Before it's first range trip I oiled it up with Lucas Gun Oil so im curious if One Shot will make a difference.

[SpicyBrass]

Im approaching 750+ rounds and the trigger started getting a teensy bit sticky/sluggish. Still very usable but doesn't feel 100%, more like 85 - 90%. I'm gonna keep pushing till I hit the 1000 round park, clean it out with good ole Hoppes and then hit it with some Hornady One Shot and see how well a dry lube performs in it.

Before it's first range trip I oiled it up with Lucas Gun Oil so im curious if One Shot will make a difference.

I've found the ammo makes a big difference in the amount of rounds. I have a large pile of M1152, which is a pretty hot round but also very dirty. I have found that with M1152, which seems to dump an excessive amount of unburnt powder back into the action causes the trigger to start gumming up in 300 rounds or so. I've gone back to my stock Gen 5 trigger due to this, despite all the excess powder the stock trigger doesn't have the issue of the GPT when excessively dirty or with course contaminants in the action.

The trigger still worked, but it was noticeably heavier and the reset was less tactile and more gummy. I would be interested to see what would happen if the trigger was introduced to mud or fine sand.

[GJM]

I have been lubricating but not cleaning my Performance trigger. Have north of 1,000 rounds on one trigger. Today I cleaned it and then lubricated. Was unable to detect any difference in the trigger feel before and after cleaning/lubrication.

[GJM]

I've found the ammo makes a big difference in the amount of rounds. I have a large pile of M1152, which is a pretty hot round but also very dirty. I have found that with M1152, which seems to dump an excessive amount of unburnt powder back into the action causes the trigger to start gumming up in 300 rounds or so. I've gone back to my stock Gen 5 trigger due to this, despite all the excess powder the stock trigger doesn't have the issue of the GPT when excessively dirty or with course contaminants in the action.

The trigger still worked, but it was noticeably heavier and the reset was less tactile and more gummy. I would be interested to see what would happen if the trigger was introduced to mud or fine sand.

Did you try lubricating the dirty trigger to see how it functioned?

[SpicyBrass]

Did you try lubricating the dirty trigger to see how it functioned?

It would help for another 5-6 mags, then it would start gumming up again. It would likely last longer with a different ammo. M1152 is nasty. I wish I had taken pictures of what the inside of the trigger looked like after even just 200 rounds.

[GJM]

It would help for another 5-6 mags, then it would start gumming up again. It would likely last longer with a different ammo. M1152 is nasty. I wish I had taken pictures of what the inside of the trigger looked like after even just 200 rounds.

Did you try cleaning the "trigger" with gun scrubber and then relubricating?

[ST911]

It would help for another 5-6 mags, then it would start gumming up again. It would likely last longer with a different ammo. M1152 is nasty. I wish I had taken pictures of what the inside of the trigger looked like after even just 200 rounds.

I have a bunch of 1152, I'll work it in. Thanks for that.

[TC215]

Passing along for interest…

I was in a Glock Operator Course yesterday, and the instructor was running a Performance Trigger. On a drill near the end of the class, his trigger failed to reset. Another staff member immediately said “Yeah, it needs lube,” and the instructor pulled the slide off and added lube, then proceeded with the drill. There was then some discussion between them about how the new triggers need lubricant every 3,000 rounds or so.

FWIW, I have some buddies that went through Glock armorer and RDS instructor classes this week. They were told that Glock does not recommend the performance trigger for LE and .mil use because of increased maintenance requirements to prevent the trigger from failing to reset after 1,000 rounds or so.

[Steve m]

FWIW, I have some buddies that went through Glock armorer and RDS instructor classes this week. They were told that Glock does not recommend the performance trigger for LE and .mil use because of increased maintenance requirements to prevent the trigger from failing to reset after 1,000 rounds or so.

Odd considering if it is correct on who glock designed the trigger for

[MTP]

I really like my three GPTs and planning to buy more but ... Glock's strategy and comms re: Triggers are definitely odd. They still won't sell a $5 'minus' connector CONUS, but they have no problem advertising and selling a trigger pack that yields the same light pull and allegedly could fail to reset without proper preventative maintenance ... uhmmm

[DDTSGM]

Odd considering if it is correct on who glock designed the trigger for

I think that's a general disclaimer based on the thought that the average LEO probably Wouldn't do an adequate job of lubing and cleaning. I wouldn't think HRT has to worry about that aspect.

[TC215]

I think that's a general disclaimer based on the thought that the average LEO probably Wouldn't do an adequate job of lubing and cleaning. I wouldn't think HRT has to worry about that aspect.

Exactly.

[Steve m]

shot my G19 Glock Perform Trigger in IDPA match this saturday in NC. Trigger performed great. Me not so much. (Had to go back and add 1 more to a cpl of rifle targets). By far this was one of the most (least points down) matches i have shot. A cpl stages were clean.
-this trigger allows me to get accurate shots quick
-several comments that my groups were tighter
-has stayed a consistent 4.5#

[DDTSGM]

I started a thread about this issue, but I think the info will be more useful to someone posted here.

I put a PT in a G44 with a Nelson Optic slide. This was the first generation slide marked 44X with no lightening cutsw such as their EDC slide has.

As I related, with the original trigger, the pistol flawlessly functioned with numerous ammo types. With the PT it flawlessly functioned with only 'old' Remington Golden Bullets. I say 'old' because the value pack I was using was circa the first Obama administration. The Golden Bullets I bought recently had the same problems as other ammo, FTF, FTEject mainly.

After some work the the performance trigger now works with all the .22 ammo I have on hand. Here's what I did:

1. First and foremost replace the ejector in the PT with the ejector from your G44.

2. I polished the striker safety block and the striker safety hump on the PT trigger bar. I also changed the profile just a bit. (don't know if this made a big difference based on the next step).

3. Replaced the OEM recoil spring (i believe it is 16 lbs) with a 13 pound recoil spring from Nelson - https://www.nelsonprecisionmfg.com/product-page/g44-recoil-spring-assembly

Quite frankly, other than changing the ejector, which isn't an optional step, I feel the 13-pound spring made the difference.

[Exiledviking]

Anyone with multiple GPTs notice differences among them? I have two and the first one I got is better than the second one I bought in that it breaks in a more rolling fashion and there's almost no over-travel. The 2nd one has more over-travel. I'm seriously considering buying a third GPT to try in the hope that it feels more like the first one. Anyone else done this?
I remember reading that the team Glock members would go thru trigger sets to find sets that suited them and then keep them together as kits.

[MTP]

Anyone with multiple GPTs notice differences among them? I have two and the first one I got is better than the second one I bought in that it breaks in a more rolling fashion and there's almost no over-travel. The 2nd one has more over-travel. I'm seriously considering buying a third GPT to try in the hope that it feels more like the first one. Anyone else done this?
I remember reading that the team Glock members would go thru trigger sets to find sets that suited them and then keep them together as kits.

I have three, with varying round counts but all >1000. I have 3000+ rounds on one.
The takeup and break are all very similar, but the reset developed to be weak and 'stagey' on 2 out of 3. The one with the highest round count never developed the ugly reset.
All are cleaned and get the air hose and lube at 200-250 rounds or so.

The GPTs seem to exibit the same sample to sample variances as regular Glock trigger components.

[Lunker]

I like there to be a little bit of a wall on my triggers (probably because I’m so used to stock Glock triggers). I blow right through the GPT wall unless I really slow down and pay attention.
So I tried a + (8 pound) Glock connector in the GPT. What a difference. The wall was very pronounced and the break was like a glass rod. Unfortunately it was a 1” thick glass rod. [emoji3]
Back to the drawing board.

Anybody else try a different connector with better results?

[Noah]

I like there to be a little bit of a wall on my triggers (probably because I’m so used to stock Glock triggers). I blow right through the GPT wall unless I really slow down and pay attention.
So I tried a + (8 pound) Glock connector in the GPT. What a difference. The wall was very pronounced and the break was like a glass rod. Unfortunately it was a 1” thick glass rod. [emoji3]
Back to the drawing board.

Anybody else try a different connector with better results?


That makes sense and matches what people have done with Timneys. If the 8lb was too heavy maybe try an unmarked gen 3 connector since that will be between the stock gen 5 dot connector and the 8lb?

[Lunker]

That makes sense and matches what people have done with Timneys. If the 8lb was too heavy maybe try an unmarked gen 3 connector since that will be between the stock gen 5 dot connector and the 8lb?

Thanks. I had considered that, but wasn’t sure if that half pound (5lb dot vs 5.5 unmarked) would be enough of a difference to be meaningful.


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[GJM]

I often notice differences in trigger feel while dry firing, that seem significant but that aren't obvious live firing. You guys talking dry or live fire?

[Noah]

Thanks. I had considered that, but wasn’t sure if that half pound (5lb dot vs 5.5 unmarked) would be enough of a difference to be meaningful.


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Glock triggers always feel completely different based on individual gun fit anyway.

[matt7184]

I have three, with varying round counts but all >1000. I have 3000+ rounds on one.
The takeup and break are all very similar, but the reset developed to be weak and 'stagey' on 2 out of 3. The one with the highest round count never developed the ugly reset.
All are cleaned and get the air hose and lube at 200-250 rounds or so.

The GPTs seem to exibit the same sample to sample variances as regular Glock trigger components.

I have 2 from the first run and 3 from the second. Honestly I would say across the guns they are more consistent than other glock triggers, but I agree that I think it's just normal sample variances across the trigger groups and frames.

[Lunker]

I often notice differences in trigger feel while dry firing, that seem significant but that aren't obvious live firing. You guys talking dry or live fire?

For me, i noticed the heavy wall while Dry-firing. With the regular dot connector, my G17 and G34 with GPT felt pretty close to one another.


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[DLWinner]

These are tempting me. My gen 5 G17 has a rough trigger. I’m thinking this might be a good fix.
These are good to go as far as reliability?

[ST911]

Anyone with multiple GPTs notice differences among them?

Kind of. Seems more attributable to where a given GPT is in it's PM interval than something mechanical.


I remember reading that the team Glock members would go thru trigger sets to find sets that suited them and then keep them together as kits.

Yep, that's been longtime advice. Swap OEM components for the best combo then polish through use.

[littlejerry]

These are tempting me. My gen 5 G17 has a rough trigger. I’m thinking this might be a good fix.
These are good to go as far as reliability?

I have no input on reliability. Regarding your OEM trigger:
I had a similar problem. My G5 19 got pretty rough. It seemed to be related to the trigger bar twisting and sliding laterally when it engaged with the FPB ramped surface. I bought a new trigger bar and FPB plunger along with my GPT. The new stock parts feel much better. No idea if they'll develop the same issue over time.

[1Rangemaster]

Contrary to a few here, I’ve had good performance/“feels” from just about every one of my personal Glocks. The best standard trigger, to my index fingers is a G26 that is +4 years old and only a few thousand rounds on it. Carried a fair amount, shot less, but it broke in nicely. A 19 and a work G45 have seen the bulk of shooting the past few years.
Put a Perf. Trigger in the G45MOS. I have not run thousands of rounds through it, and generally follow the factory guidelines. As an example, last week I used it for some demos during remedial training ~100 rounds or so. At the end of the week, it was functioning just fine, but I pulled the slide and put three small drops in the housing area as specified(there’s an image of points earlier in this thread). Didn’t hurt a bit…
I run the standard Gen 5 configurations for months; will add a drop of lube by connector if it starts to feel gritty. For the Glock PT, if I shot over several hundred rounds in a few days, lube as directed. So it’s a bit more preventative with the new trigger. I should mention on Glocks I routinely shoot, I will do a detail strip&clean/lube at a minimum yearly. This morning, before a dental appointment, I retrieved the 26 to put in an ankle holster(I know, Imma gonna git kilt!), took the top off, blew a little dust out, reassembled and did a few presses to reacquaint myself with trigger and irons. All was/is well.
I guess all of the rambling is to recommend some attention to what might be used in an emergency. Most here do…

[Exiledviking]

I often notice differences in trigger feel while dry firing, that seem significant but that aren't obvious live firing. You guys talking dry or live fire?In my case, it's both live and dry fire.

[Casey]

Has anyone had time on both the GPT and the full Apex AEK? If so, how do they compare?

[GJM]

Has anyone had time on both the GPT and the full Apex AEK? If so, how do they compare?

Apex falls in the middle between a Gen 5 dot and the new performance trigger.

[Rack]

I have no input on reliability. Regarding your OEM trigger:
I had a similar problem. My G5 19 got pretty rough. It seemed to be related to the trigger bar twisting and sliding laterally when it engaged with the FPB ramped surface. I bought a new trigger bar and FPB plunger along with my GPT. The new stock parts feel much better. No idea if they'll develop the same issue over time.


Are you saying that you replaced the trigger bar on the GPT with a standard Gen5 trigger bar? If so, did it have the same trigger pull as the regular GPT? I don't like the trigger shoe on the GPT and thought about switching it, but didn't know if the pin would walk after "breaking" the plastic to remove and replace the shoes.

Thanks.

[littlejerry]

Are you saying that you replaced the trigger bar on the GPT with a standard Gen5 trigger bar? If so, did it have the same trigger pull as the regular GPT? I don't like the trigger shoe on the GPT and thought about switching it, but didn't know if the pin would walk after "breaking" the plastic to remove and replace the shoes.

Thanks.

No, sorry for the lack of clarity. I purchased a GPT and a set of stock replacement parts to try independently of one another. Installing the fresh trigger bar and FPB improved my stock trigger pull considerably.

The GPT has a much better pull, but I'm on the fence about using it in a carry gun.

[Rack]

No, sorry for the lack of clarity. I purchased a GPT and a set of stock replacement parts to try independently of one another. Installing the fresh trigger bar and FPB improved my stock trigger pull considerably.

The GPT has a much better pull, but I'm on the fence about using it in a carry gun.

Okay, thanks. I was hoping it could be replaced.

[Brianjkeene]

Installed an Apex shoe on my GPT. Favorite setup now.

https://imgur.com/a/Q1vQa9j

[Casey]

In stock now at Primary Arms (https://www.primaryarms.com/glock-performance-trigger) for $79.99 ($75 if you qualify for good-guy pricing).

I bought one directly from Glock when they came back in stock last month, and installed it in a G17 this afternoon. Yes. Immediately yes. This is the closest I've been able to get my Glock to my Gray Guns VP9 triggers that I love so much. Minimal takeup compared to the GG VP9, though the wall on the GPT is much less distinct than on the GG VP9, and overtravel is about the same. Definitely prefer this to the Apex kits I was using, and I've already ordered two more to go in my other two G17s. Live fire tomorrow, hopefully, but I can already tell this is going to be a winner. Not super concerned about the cleaning requirements as I don't shoot that much these days. I do wish it was SCD-compatible, but I was comfortable carrying VP9s AIWB without a gadget for years, so not the end of the world.

[Norville]

FWIW, I have some buddies that went through Glock armorer and RDS instructor classes this week. They were told that Glock does not recommend the performance trigger for LE and .mil use because of increased maintenance requirements to prevent the trigger from failing to reset after 1,000 rounds or so.

I just got my second one yesterday, and I don’t remember this on the first one (but I may have overlooked it):

[TC215]

I just got my second one yesterday, and I don’t remember this on the first one (but I may have overlooked it):

Yeah, that wasn’t on the initial run.

[GJM]

The Glock performance trigger I have shot the most developed a noticeable and undesirable amount of creep. I switched it to another frame which also has a performance trigger, and the creep followed the particular performance trigger, and the "good" performance trigger was good in the other frame.

[Exiledviking]

The Glock performance trigger I have shot the most developed a noticeable and undesirable amount of creep. I switched it to another frame which also has a performance trigger, and the creep followed the particular performance trigger, and the "good" performance trigger was good in the other frame.That's not good! Hopefully it's an isolated issue. Have you tried swapping out the connector?

I still say Glock should offer these with the DLC coating they have on the internals of the M(?) pistols for the government.

[thatguybryan]

Should have probably read through this thread before buying one of these. Oh well. At $67, I guess if I don’t like it I can just sell it.

Don’t like the idea of “upgrading” to a trigger that needs to be cleaned more often than the original one.

[stomridertx]

My new advice to people looking to date is:
"Find you someone who loves you as much as Pistol-Forum loves the SCD."

[mrozowjj]

Should have probably read through this thread before buying one of these. Oh well. At $67, I guess if I don’t like it I can just sell it.

Don’t like the idea of “upgrading” to a trigger that needs to be cleaned more often than the original one.

Same. Having got my first GPT I remain non-plussed.

It doesn't seem better; it's not crisper or ligther really it's just different and I don't know that I care enough about the difference one way or the other aside from the fact that I apparently now need to clean more often which is ironic because the gun is now a tiny bit harder to take apart in order to actually clean.

[Steve m]

All my triggers are in my g19s.
My first got is at 3500 rds. Still running just like new. I have since bought three more. All feel pretty much the same to me. My shot groups were definitely tighter without giving up speed. Personal best, I can now achieve 290 or above on demand for the super test.
Generally impressed, I do clean pistols after every range session, but I did that before gpt installation.
Just a quick update from my small sample size

[TCB]

I’m getting a little hitch in my gettyup… Seems like the trigger tab is making slight contact with the frame when I press the trigger. Not something I really notice shooting at speed but I just clipped the top of a very tight no shoot in a match yesterday and am wondering if that may have been a contributing factor (probably not because I called the miss and followed it up with another pretty quick Alpha but I’d really like to blame the trigger tab rather than my brief loss of vision). I do feel it during dry fire but don’t notice it in the dots movement. Can I go in and lightly sand the part so it doesn’t do that or something? Is the regular factory shoe compatible with the performance trigger? The shape of it seems to put my finger in a slightly different spot and that seems to maybe be part of the issue with the tab not fully getting out of the way?

[TCB]

Well…I just took some very fine sand paper and “just” broke the edges on the trigger tab and it seems to have mainly eliminated the issue I was having.

[matt7184]

All 5 of mine were the same way and I had to do the same.

[Mark D]

Recently installed the Performance Trigger in a Gen 5 G19. It's light, but spongy. And the trigger shoe just looks and feels cheap. I'm not a fan, and will give it to a friend.

For reference, my preferred range trigger is a Gen 3 pistol with a minus connector and an Overwatch Precision trigger shoe.

[GJM]

I still remember my initial impressions of the new Glock trigger -- awesome compared to my dot connector stock set-up.

By chance, I ended up with an Apex trigger that came on a 26 I purchased from a forum member. I ended up really liking it, and stuck some in a few carry pistols. Anecdotally, I preferred them to the Glock performance trigger, but that wasn't based on extensive testing. I really saw the Apex as being an EDC trigger and the new performance trigger for competition. Lately, I haven't given much thought to this.

Since I carry a Glock, I shoot at least a few mags each range session to maintain proficiency, with the bulk of my practice with my Open gun. At some point I figured out, to shoot the Glock close to my Open gun, I need to do everything right with grip and arm extension. Lately, I have done my Glock shooting at the beginning of my practice, as it tests fundamentals so obviously, and sets me up well for the Open gun.

My last two practice sessions, I haven't shot the Glock as well, but haven't understood why. Today, I realized I had been shooting a Glock with a performance trigger the two days. I then pulled out my 19 with the Apex trigger, and doing arrays I was right back to where I was before.

In dry fire, the Performance trigger feels better, but in live fire I am faster but especially more accurate with the Apex. If I had to guess why, it is because the Apex breaks quite a bit forward of the Glock performance trigger.

[Beat Trash]

I still remember my initial impressions of the new Glock trigger -- awesome compared to my dot connector stock set-up.

My last two practice sessions, I haven't shot the Glock as well, but haven't understood why. Today, I realized I had been shooting a Glock with a performance trigger the two days. I then pulled out my 19 with the Apex trigger, and doing arrays I was right back to where I was before.

In dry fire, the Performance trigger feels better, but in live fire I am faster but especially more accurate with the Apex. If I had to guess why, it is because the Apex breaks quite a bit forward of the Glock performance trigger.

Are you using the OEM dot connector with the Apex trigger, or are you using the Apex connector?

[GJM]

Are you using the OEM dot connector with the Apex trigger, or are you using the Apex connector?

OEM dot

[maximus83]

Recently installed the Performance Trigger in a Gen 5 G19. It's light, but spongy. And the trigger shoe just looks and feels cheap. I'm not a fan, and will give it to a friend.

For reference, my preferred range trigger is a Gen 3 pistol with a minus connector and an Overwatch Precision trigger shoe.

This is very close to my experience. Liked the GPT a lot at first, but it seemed like performance degraded somewhat after about 1500 rounds, and I swapped it out.

My preferred trigger that I have on all three of my current Gen 5 Glocks, from Overwatch:
* NP3'd OEM minus connector (https://overwatchprecision.com/np3ed-glock-oem-minus-connector/)
* DAT aluminum trigger shoe (https://overwatchprecision.com/dat-shoe-only-trigger-for-glock/)

That combo gives about a 4.5 lb trigger press, with reduced pre-travel and more ergonomic for my finger on the trigger blade. Otherwise, it keeps all the characteristics of OEM trigger. Combined with an SCD, it's a good carry setup for me that keeps OEM internals and safety, but gives a somewhat improved trigger.

ETA: Forgot to add, another advantage of this setup is that it has the maintenance schedule of an ordinary Glock OEM trigger. It doesn't need the more frequent lube schedule that the GPT does.

[Rack]

I still remember my initial impressions of the new Glock trigger -- awesome compared to my dot connector stock set-up.

By chance, I ended up with an Apex trigger that came on a 26 I purchased from a forum member. I ended up really liking it, and stuck some in a few carry pistols. Anecdotally, I preferred them to the Glock performance trigger, but that wasn't based on extensive testing. I really saw the Apex as being an EDC trigger and the new performance trigger for competition. Lately, I haven't given much thought to this.

Since I carry a Glock, I shoot at least a few mags each range session to maintain proficiency, with the bulk of my practice with my Open gun. At some point I figured out, to shoot the Glock close to my Open gun, I need to do everything right with grip and arm extension. Lately, I have done my Glock shooting at the beginning of my practice, as it tests fundamentals so obviously, and sets me up well for the Open gun.

My last two practice sessions, I haven't shot the Glock as well, but haven't understood why. Today, I realized I had been shooting a Glock with a performance trigger the two days. I then pulled out my 19 with the Apex trigger, and doing arrays I was right back to where I was before.

In dry fire, the Performance trigger feels better, but in live fire I am faster but especially more accurate with the Apex. If I had to guess why, it is because the Apex breaks quite a bit forward of the Glock performance trigger.


GJM,

Can you provide a link to the model Apex trigger to which you're referring? Or, the name of the model? I think they have more than one.

Thanks.

[GJM]

GJM,

Can you provide a link to the model Apex trigger to which you're referring? Or, the name of the model? I think they have more than one.

Thanks.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019517550

[Mark D]

My preferred trigger that I have on all three of my current Gen 5 Glocks, from Overwatch:
* NP3'd OEM minus connector (https://overwatchprecision.com/np3ed-glock-oem-minus-connector/)
* DAT aluminum trigger shoe (https://overwatchprecision.com/dat-shoe-only-trigger-for-glock/)

That combo gives about a 4.5 lb trigger press, with reduced pre-travel and more ergonomic for my finger on the trigger blade. Otherwise, it keeps all the characteristics of OEM trigger. Combined with an SCD, it's a good carry setup for me that keeps OEM internals and safety, but gives a somewhat improved trigger.


Agreed with all the above. For me, this is a much nicer setup than the GPT, or the Apex Duty kit. Different strokes, etc.

[Rack]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019517550

Thanks!

[mrozowjj]

This is very close to my experience. Liked the GPT a lot at first, but it seemed like performance degraded somewhat after about 1500 rounds, and I swapped it out.

My preferred trigger that I have on all three of my current Gen 5 Glocks, from Overwatch:
* NP3'd OEM minus connector (https://overwatchprecision.com/np3ed-glock-oem-minus-connector/)
* DAT aluminum trigger shoe (https://overwatchprecision.com/dat-shoe-only-trigger-for-glock/)

That combo gives about a 4.5 lb trigger press, with reduced pre-travel and more ergonomic for my finger on the trigger blade. Otherwise, it keeps all the characteristics of OEM trigger. Combined with an SCD, it's a good carry setup for me that keeps OEM internals and safety, but gives a somewhat improved trigger.

ETA: Forgot to add, another advantage of this setup is that it has the maintenance schedule of an ordinary Glock OEM trigger. It doesn't need the more frequent lube schedule that the GPT does.



I really want to try their FALX trigger because the face itself is curved. Most flat faced triggers have a square trigger front which is wider which doesn't ususally jive with me.

[G19Fan]

I really want to try their FALX trigger because the face itself is curved. Most flat faced triggers have a square trigger front which is wider which doesn't ususally jive with me.

I have a falx and love it

[Brianjkeene]

I still remember my initial impressions of the new Glock trigger -- awesome compared to my dot connector stock set-up.

By chance, I ended up with an Apex trigger that came on a 26 I purchased from a forum member. I ended up really liking it, and stuck some in a few carry pistols. Anecdotally, I preferred them to the Glock performance trigger, but that wasn't based on extensive testing. I really saw the Apex as being an EDC trigger and the new performance trigger for competition. Lately, I haven't given much thought to this.

Since I carry a Glock, I shoot at least a few mags each range session to maintain proficiency, with the bulk of my practice with my Open gun. At some point I figured out, to shoot the Glock close to my Open gun, I need to do everything right with grip and arm extension. Lately, I have done my Glock shooting at the beginning of my practice, as it tests fundamentals so obviously, and sets me up well for the Open gun.

My last two practice sessions, I haven't shot the Glock as well, but haven't understood why. Today, I realized I had been shooting a Glock with a performance trigger the two days. I then pulled out my 19 with the Apex trigger, and doing arrays I was right back to where I was before.

In dry fire, the Performance trigger feels better, but in live fire I am faster but especially more accurate with the Apex. If I had to guess why, it is because the Apex breaks quite a bit forward of the Glock performance trigger.


This is why I run Apex shoes on my GPTs. Boresight actually just started offering them last week in this config also.

[Greg Bell]

I Iinstalled one of these in My G19 and took it out today. The install was absurdly easy. Punch out pins, fish out ambi lever and block, drop in new unit, put in ambi levers and block, plus pins...done. Five minutes max. Probably 3 minutes if you have a second gun to swap one into.

It improved the weight of the trigger. It is almost exactly 4 lbs now. I would say it is the general VP9/PPQ class now. I shot 150 rounds of ball FMJ and it ran perfectly.

I paid $60 from Botach and it definitely seems worth the price (even at 99). The install is SO easy and the peace of mind of having factory parts is nice.


I don't have as sophisticated a palate as a lot of you guys when it comes to triggers. It definitely improved over the factory trigger and I do walkbacks to 100 yards with my aim point acro just for silliness and it seemed to make that a touch easier.

Good, cheap, easy option AFAICT

[Tokarev]

https://youtu.be/OnrEnOc4pNY?si=KU0kMG0J0iGV8XLZ

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[stomridertx]

Just to summarize so far in my wait and see phase on this trigger, the consensus is that this basically gives a Glock a VP9/PPQ/PDP type trigger pull. The trade-off is you have to clean the gun and lube the trigger every 1000 rounds or so, which some find unacceptable. Am I in the ballpark?

[GJM]

Just to summarize so far in my wait and see phase on this trigger, the consensus is that this basically gives a Glock a VP9/PPQ/PDP type trigger pull. The trade-off is you have to clean the gun and lube the trigger every 1000 rounds or so, which some find unacceptable. Am I in the ballpark?

Fair summary with the caveat that this trigger significantly changes the partially tensioned legacy fire control system to a wry different design.

[Greg Bell]

That seems to be the case. Unlike the guy in the video, I did follow the instructions and lube it because "I am about that life," to use his phrase. I tend to clean my guns every session or at least every two or three sessions so I likely never would have noticed the issue he has seen. But I will keep an eye out for it and report if I notice any weirdness.

[stomridertx]

That seems to be the case. Unlike the guy in the video, I did follow the instructions and lube it because "I am about that life," to use his phrase. I tend to clean my guns every session or at least every two or three sessions so I likely never would have noticed the issue he has seen. But I will keep an eye out for it and report if I notice any weirdness.

I'm also about that life. I clean Glocks about once a month while my AR bolts are in an ultrasonic cleaner. If it takes over 1000 rounds to gum up I can deal with that. If I'm shooting 1000 rounds in one day, I'm having way too much fun to get upset about the trigger needing to be blasted with brake cleaner.

I guess a fair question is if this trigger also reduces reliability if the gun gets exposed to sand, mud, or water. Can it get obstructed easier than the traditional assembly in harsh conditions or is it specifically carbon fouling over time? The PPQ, PDP, and VP9 seem to still have good reliability.

[ST911]

The trade-off is you have to clean the gun and lube the trigger every 1000 rounds or so,

Not picking nits, but blowing out and relubing the GPT and trigger mechanism housing works, no need to clean the whole gun.

My carry gun is clean, but its shooting twin looks like the inside of my lawn mower.

[Texaspoff]

So I clean and lube my duty pistols after every range session as well. I have however run one of my G45's with the GPT up to around 5k rounds right now. Trigger isn't gummy and reset is the same as it is in my clean duty pistols. FWIW I only lubed it up when I installed it 5k rounds ago. Nothing since then, and hasn't been cleaned yet. As a point of interest, I use Slip2000 EWG (Grease) on my fire control parts, and EWL 30 weight everywhere else. I don't use lightweight oil on my pistols anywhere.

I am suspecting with Glock recommending lubing the GPT, some may be adding too much lubricant, which will in turn attract crud. There are no itty bitty parts in the GPT, at least none that I could see getting gummed up from normal usage. \

I would be interested in seeing some of these GPT that are having reset issues as described. I would like to see what condition they are in as far as lube and buildup.

The guy in the video sounds like the type of Glock shooter that just runs them with very little to no maintenance anyway, he admitted to shooting them and "basically never cleaning them" at the 3:06 mark. Ok so yes a Glock may be able to do that, but why the hell would you?, and then complain to any degree if you have something that doesn't work correctly when you have not performed any maintenance.

So if your running a GPT, I wouldn't expect it to run indefinitely without any maintenance. Not all Glocks will continue functioning correctly either with no maintenance. I also doubt his GPT just all the sudden started not resetting or getting sluggish. I can easily tell when my trigger assembly's in any of my Glocks, stock triggers or GPT, start getting really dirty, and guess what, I clean and lube them and they are back to work.

Some folks have become spoiled with Glocks durability and their lack of needing as much maintenance as some other platforms. Just because they don't necessarily need it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, and just run it until it doesn't run any longer. Doing that to find the limit of said product is fine, but I don't recommend it as a common practice.

It would be one thing if the video was addressing an issue that occurs in a relatively low round count in a short period of time, but to complain that something is having problems and no basic care was taken of the item is just silliness to me.

It falls in line with someone complaining because their engine failed in their car with them admitting they didn't change the oil regularly if at all.





TXPO

[GJM]

I think the issue is that this new trigger requires more PM than the rest of the Glock pistol, and the legacy fire control system. I was first alerted to this issue by a friend that is an officer in a Phoenix area department. He is also a member of their SWAT team, a firearms trainer, and an excellent USPSA shooter.

If police officers and the public don't get the memo on cleaning and lubrication, they may well experience reliability issues if they treat this trigger like the rest of their Glock.

[littlejerry]

When I was shooting USPSA I didn't maintain my game Glock basically at all. Once or twice a year I'd detail strip, clean, and lube. It was one of the endearing things about the platform. It just ran and ran regardless of what you did or didn't do.

I dont shoot nearly as much right now due to small kids and lots of work. My GPT so far has been fine with a squirt of lube every 500-1k rounds.

[Tokarev]

More from Ben Stoeger. Some additional thoughts on the GPT:


https://youtu.be/PTTG9N9FrRM?si=qGNejVoqBfUF-D8w

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[JCN]

Type of lube probably matters a lot.

On my Timneys I used AR trigger Go Juice.

[eric0311]

So I clean and lube my duty pistols after every range session as well. I have however run one of my G45's with the GPT up to around 5k rounds right now. Trigger isn't gummy and reset is the same as it is in my clean duty pistols. FWIW I only lubed it up when I installed it 5k rounds ago. Nothing since then, and hasn't been cleaned yet. As a point of interest, I use Slip2000 EWG (Grease) on my fire control parts, and EWL 30 weight everywhere else. I don't use lightweight oil on my pistols anywhere.

I am suspecting with Glock recommending lubing the GPT, some may be adding too much lubricant, which will in turn attract crud. There are no itty bitty parts in the GPT, at least none that I could see getting gummed up from normal usage. \

I would be interested in seeing some of these GPT that are having reset issues as described. I would like to see what condition they are in as far as lube and buildup.

The guy in the video sounds like the type of Glock shooter that just runs them with very little to no maintenance anyway, he admitted to shooting them and "basically never cleaning them" at the 3:06 mark. Ok so yes a Glock may be able to do that, but why the hell would you?, and then complain to any degree if you have something that doesn't work correctly when you have not performed any maintenance.

So if your running a GPT, I wouldn't expect it to run indefinitely without any maintenance. Not all Glocks will continue functioning correctly either with no maintenance. I also doubt his GPT just all the sudden started not resetting or getting sluggish. I can easily tell when my trigger assembly's in any of my Glocks, stock triggers or GPT, start getting really dirty, and guess what, I clean and lube them and they are back to work.

Some folks have become spoiled with Glocks durability and their lack of needing as much maintenance as some other platforms. Just because they don't necessarily need it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, and just run it until it doesn't run any longer. Doing that to find the limit of said product is fine, but I don't recommend it as a common practice.

It would be one thing if the video was addressing an issue that occurs in a relatively low round count in a short period of time, but to complain that something is having problems and no basic care was taken of the item is just silliness to me.

It falls in line with someone complaining because their engine failed in their car with them admitting they didn't change the oil regularly if at all.





TXPO


You’ve got good results with the EWG grease on the GPT? I’m considering switching to it, for my trigger.

[GJM]

Glock had done an amazing job with the Gen 5 pistols. That said, the performance trigger strikes me as a misfire for Glock, given how reliable their pistols are. I think they would have been better off leaving this to Timney, and other third parties, rather than put their name on this trigger.

[Cool Breeze]

I generally like the original gen5 trigger but this thread got me curious about other trigger options. If I understand correctly, the GPT does not reduce take up which is appealing to me for safety reasons from all the threads that talk about length of trigger pull being important. However, I'm looking for a carry trigger that is SCD compatible.

Is there an aftermarket trigger that does NOT reduce take up length but does reduce over travel or improve other trigger characteristics? I'm not chasing lightest pull or interested in anything that disengages any of the safeties.

[Noah]

I generally like the original gen5 trigger but this thread got me curious about other trigger options. If I understand correctly, the GPT does not reduce take up which is appealing to me for safety reasons from all the threads that talk about length of trigger pull being important. However, I'm looking for a carry trigger that is SCD compatible.

Is there an aftermarket trigger that does NOT reduce take up length but does reduce over travel or improve other trigger characteristics? I'm not chasing lightest pull or interested in anything that disengages any of the safeties.

Do you care more about the shape/feel of the trigger shoe, or the weight/travel/feel of the wall (or lack thereof) and crisp vs rolling break?

[Cool Breeze]

Do you care more about the shape/feel of the trigger shoe, or the weight/travel/feel of the wall (or lack thereof) and crisp vs rolling break?

I am not as particular as some when it comes to triggers which is probably why I'm OK with Gen 5 trigger. But all this talk about easier low percentage shots got me excited.

If I had to pick perfect trigger characteristics it would be the equivalent of a Geissele G2S/SSA trigger. Smooth take up with no stacking, hit a discernable wall but the break is not noticably (or any) heavier than the rest of pull, no creep, and I also don't feel any overtravel. Gen 3 with 5.5 connector was (to borrow a term from here) a staple gun. I don't like it - a little too heavy of a take up and with stacking with an even harder wall. Gen 3 with minus was a bit too much of a surprise rolling break. The Gen 5 is a pretty good trigger - just a little too much creep when you get to the "wall" which is probably right in between having a wall and a rolling break which I don't find too offensive. I would not want less of a wall than a Gen 5. I also prefer minimal to no overtravel if I can get it. No preference on trigger shoe except I don't like serrated g19 shoe - smooth g17 version all the way. If I had to be picky I think that's the ticket - at least for me.

[Cool Breeze]

I am not as particular as some when it comes to triggers which is probably why I'm OK with Gen 5 trigger. But all this talk about easier low percentage shots got me excited.

If I had to pick perfect trigger characteristics it would be the equivalent of a Geissele G2S/SSA trigger. Smooth take up with no stacking, hit a discernable wall but the break is not noticably (or any) heavier than the rest of pull, no creep, and I also don't feel any overtravel. Gen 3 with 5.5 connector was (to borrow a term from here) a staple gun. I don't like it - a little too heavy of a take up and with stacking with an even harder wall. Gen 3 with minus was a bit too much of a surprise rolling break. The Gen 5 is a pretty good trigger - just a little too much creep when you get to the "wall" which is probably right in between having a wall and a rolling break which I don't find too offensive. I would not want less of a wall than a Gen 5. I also prefer minimal to no overtravel if I can get it. No preference on trigger shoe except I don't like serrated g19 shoe - smooth g17 version all the way. If I had to be picky I think that's the ticket - at least for me.

I just pulled out my gen 3 17 with dot connector. It has an interesting trigger pull. Take up with discernable wall with the least creep and over travel of all my Glocks. The wall is a slightly heavier than I would ideally like but overall it's not terrible.

[Robinson]

I just pulled out my gen 3 17 with dot connector. It has an interesting trigger pull. Take up with discernable wall with the least creep and over travel of all my Glocks. The wall is a slightly heavier than I would ideally like but overall it's not terrible.
That sounds a lot like the Gen 5 G19 I recently bought. It's not bad at all as is.

[HCM]

Has anyone else’s seen catastrophic failure of the GPT ?

Trigger below belongs to a shooting acquaintance. Failure occurred after 4k rounds during which the gun was cleaned sn lubed regularly.

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[littlejerry]

I ran a 5k biathlon yesterday and carried my 19.5 MOS with GPT.

Part of the course had me submerged up to my belly in dirty brackish water. The stage after that I noticed sluggish reset on the trigger.

Not long after that I had to do a low crawl through sandy dirt. The gun didn't look particularly dirty but enough grit entered the action that the trigger would not reset. I was able to manually push the trigger forward to reset sometimes. Other times I had to rack the slide.

The pistol was carried in a 7TS ALS holster, mid ride.


ETA:
I tried flushing the pistol with my bottle of water while on the course(slide lock, dump water into the back of the gun). No improvement.

After the race I pulled the slide and flushed the frame with a garden hose. This improved things but the trigger still had a sluggish reset and wouldn't return fully forw6under it's own power.

Ultimately I had to detail strip the gun and wipe down the trigger bar, connector, locking block, and slide release with a towel. I then re-lubed and it's back to 100%

Pretty bad experience overall. I've run tons of these races with Gen3, 4, and 5 19s with only a minus connector and never had an issue. I've also had the guns in much worse conditions.

It's obvious the GPT is extremely sensitive to dirt and grit. I'll be removing mine and going back to a standard style trigger.

[Steve m]

I have x5 gpt, rd cts on each vary, training guns~5.5k carry, much much less. I perform normal cleaning/lubrication on pistols and triggers using slip 2000 ewl. So far I have noticed no degradation or have had any issues. Granted I don’t abuse pistols, they get hasty cleaning after each range session. On my lymon gauge all are pulling 4.25-4.5 lbs. All in all I’m happy with them and my scores and times have improved since using them.

[stomridertx]

I ran a 5k biathlon yesterday and carried my 19.5 MOS with GPT.

Part of the course had me submerged up to my belly in dirty brackish water. The stage after that I noticed sluggish reset on the trigger.

Not long after that I had to do a low crawl through sandy dirt. The gun didn't look particularly dirty but enough grit entered the action that the trigger would not reset. I was able to manually push the trigger forward to reset sometimes. Other times I had to rack the slide.

The pistol was carried in a 7TS ALS holster, mid ride.


ETA:
I tried flushing the pistol with my bottle of water while on the course(slide lock, dump water into the back of the gun). No improvement.

After the race I pulled the slide and flushed the frame with a garden hose. This improved things but the trigger still had a sluggish reset and wouldn't return fully forw6under it's own power.

Ultimately I had to detail strip the gun and wipe down the trigger bar, connector, locking block, and slide release with a towel. I then re-lubed and it's back to 100%

Pretty bad experience overall. I've run tons of these races with Gen3, 4, and 5 19s with only a minus connector and never had an issue. I've also had the guns in much worse conditions.

It's obvious the GPT is extremely sensitive to dirt and grit. I'll be removing mine and going back to a standard style trigger.

This is the definitive post on the subject for me. My brain has now filed the GPT under "competition gun only" and I'm going to investigate Overwatch Precision triggers for most of my Glocks.

[TiroFijo]

Thanks for all this info gentlemen...

IMO it goes into the "competition gun" category.

[steve]

Just picked one up, what a difference. Didn't think I needed it until I tried it. Wow!

[gruntjim]

Thanks for all this info gentlemen...

IMO it goes into the "competition gun" category.

That was the consensus at the last armorer's course.

Imagine a room full of experienced gun carriers, all cringing at the thought of that as a duty trigger.

[Noah]

That was the consensus at the last armorer's course.

Imagine a room full of experienced gun carriers, all cringing at the thought of that as a duty trigger.


I'm kind of surprised that Glock put out something that's been as imperfect as the GPT.

[EVP]

I'm kind of surprised that Glock put out something that's been as imperfect as the GPT.


And people rushed out in droves to buy them and wanted to be the first early adopters as referenced by this post.

[Biggy]

And people rushed out in droves to buy them and wanted to be the first early adopters as referenced by this post.


I didn't, because I can get a plenty good enough carry trigger with just a little polishing and using Glock OEM parts, also being SCD compatible is absolutely mandatory for my Glocks.

[Noah]

I didn't, because I can get a plenty good enough carry trigger with just a little polishing and using Glock OEM parts, also being SCD compatible is absolutely mandatory for my Glocks.

The partially tensioned striker is Glocks 2nd biggest advantage over its competition, 2nd only to its massive market presence/support.

[JAH 3rd]

Speaking of pre-tensioned striker pistols, is there anyway to look at a striker-fired pistol to determine if it is a pre-tensioned striker or not? Just wondering, because I own Glocks and M&Ps. Thanks in advance!

[Noah]

Speaking of pre-tensioned striker pistols, is there anyway to look at a striker-fired pistol to determine if it is a pre-tensioned striker or not? Just wondering, because I own Glocks and M&Ps. Thanks in advance!

Glock, CZ P10, and various budget guns, imports, and oddballs are partially tensioned. If you take them apart, they do not have a sear, and instead the trigger bar pushes the striker back as you pull the trigger, and then releases it. Like a double action pistol starting at half cock.

The M&P, VP9, Walther PDP, FN 509, Sig 320 and P365, Springfield Echelon and Hellcat are all fully tensioned. They have a sear in the rear of fhe frame that holds the striker completely cocked. The trigger bar just defeats the firing pin block then trips the sear. Like a single action 1911/2011.

[JAH 3rd]

Thank you for the explanation. It was very concise and easy to understand!

[eric0311]

My findings on the Glock Performance Trigger:

Host pistol: Glock 19 Gen5 MOS

Total rounds fired (to date): 3200
*Ammunition expended included Winchester 115gr ball, Winchester 147gr Ranger, Gold Dot 124gr +P, Hornady 135 +P Critical Duty*

Maintenance cycle:
Pistol was lubed after each range session (range sessions typically involved 200-300 rounds fired)
Pistol was cleaned cleaned ever 1k rounds fired
Pistol was detailed stripped and cleaned (RMR battery replaced) at 3k

*pistol was lubed with SLIP 2000 according to factory recommendations*
*GPT was lubed with SLIP grease every 1k rounds fired (factory recommended locations)

ZERO issues to report. No grittiness or failures to reset. The pistol was carried and fired primarily concealed/AIWB. I, unfortunately, did not complete a motivational overland Exteme-sport race, complete with full mud/swamp immersion (I left that life behind with my exploits in OIF)

Your mileage may vary… I think this trigger is a fantastic enhancement to the Gen5 9mm line. If you can follow the basic tenants of weapon maintenance and lubrication (at minimal intervals)on the trigger group, per factory spec, using weapons grade grease… you might gain some significant advantage with it… I have.

[GJM]

Your mileage may vary… I think this trigger is a fantastic enhancement to the Gen5 9mm line. If you can follow the basic tenants of weapon maintenance and lubrication (at minimal intervals)on the trigger group, per factory spec, using weapons grade grease… you might gain some significant advantage with it… I have.

Your maintenance regimen seems a perfect match for this trigger.

[eric0311]

Your maintenance regimen seems a perfect match for this trigger.

It would seem that a marginally trained/competent user should be on the GPT packaging.

[Le Français]

It would seem that a marginally trained/competent user should be on the GPT packaging.

Cleaning every 1,000 rounds is required for marginal competence, eh? I must be what the French call "les incompetents" (name the movie).

[45dotACP]

Cleaning every 1,000 rounds is required for marginal competence, eh? I must be what the French call "les incompetents" (name the movie).

Haha around this time of year? Wife and I love our tradition of watching Home Alone around Christmas...

[stomridertx]

My findings on the Glock Performance Trigger:

Host pistol: Glock 19 Gen5 MOS

Total rounds fired (to date): 3200
*Ammunition expended included Winchester 115gr ball, Winchester 147gr Ranger, Gold Dot 124gr +P, Hornady 135 +P Critical Duty*

Maintenance cycle:
Pistol was lubed after each range session (range sessions typically involved 200-300 rounds fired)
Pistol was cleaned cleaned ever 1k rounds fired
Pistol was detailed stripped and cleaned (RMR battery replaced) at 3k

*pistol was lubed with SLIP 2000 according to factory recommendations*
*GPT was lubed with SLIP grease every 1k rounds fired (factory recommended locations)

ZERO issues to report. No grittiness or failures to reset. The pistol was carried and fired primarily concealed/AIWB. I, unfortunately, did not complete a motivational overland Exteme-sport race, complete with full mud/swamp immersion (I left that life behind with my exploits in OIF)

Your mileage may vary… I think this trigger is a fantastic enhancement to the Gen5 9mm line. If you can follow the basic tenants of weapon maintenance and lubrication (at minimal intervals)on the trigger group, per factory spec, using weapons grade grease… you might gain some significant advantage with it… I have.

I started reading the thread initially with the same attitude, but what littlejerry relayed changes that for me. It wasn't the extreme nature of the race that took the gun out of commission, it was the introduction of brackish water and dirt into the trigger. That is not out of the realm of possibility in defensive use of the gun and even though it's highly unlikely, a Glock should be able to survive getting dirty and still function. If you are only fighting for 30 seconds and have to pick that gun out of a mud puddle because crazy shit happens, it needs to work. The maintenance schedule of the gun is irrelevant in that scenario. It can leave your hands squeaky clean and get fouled up very quickly. I was flat out wrong to discount this concern from guys who shoot more than me and can't practically clean the gun all the time. I don't have any competition guns (although I'd like to get into it) and I just don't want to compromise reliability for incremental improvements to trigger feel.

[HCM]

My findings on the Glock Performance Trigger:

Host pistol: Glock 19 Gen5 MOS

Total rounds fired (to date): 3200
*Ammunition expended included Winchester 115gr ball, Winchester 147gr Ranger, Gold Dot 124gr +P, Hornady 135 +P Critical Duty*

Maintenance cycle:
Pistol was lubed after each range session (range sessions typically involved 200-300 rounds fired)
Pistol was cleaned cleaned ever 1k rounds fired
Pistol was detailed stripped and cleaned (RMR battery replaced) at 3k

*pistol was lubed with SLIP 2000 according to factory recommendations*
*GPT was lubed with SLIP grease every 1k rounds fired (factory recommended locations)

ZERO issues to report. No grittiness or failures to reset. The pistol was carried and fired primarily concealed/AIWB. I, unfortunately, did not complete a motivational overland Exteme-sport race, complete with full mud/swamp immersion (I left that life behind with my exploits in OIF)

Your mileage may vary… I think this trigger is a fantastic enhancement to the Gen5 9mm line. If you can follow the basic tenants of weapon maintenance and lubrication (at minimal intervals)on the trigger group, per factory spec, using weapons grade grease… you might gain some significant advantage with it… I have.

If you want a good trigger, a 1911 or 2011 will run just fine with that maintenance routine.

Regardless, as posted upthread (Post 634) I’ve personally seen a GPT fail for reasons that have nothing to do with lack lube. At this point I would not run a GPT in any serious use (duty/carry) gun.

[littlejerry]

I started reading the thread initially with the same attitude, but what littlejerry relayed changes that for me. It wasn't the extreme nature of the race that took the gun out of commission, it was the introduction of brackish water and dirt into the trigger. That is not out of the realm of possibility in defensive use of the gun and even though it's highly unlikely, a Glock should be able to survive getting dirty and still function. If you are only fighting for 30 seconds and have to pick that gun out of a mud puddle because crazy shit happens, it needs to work. The maintenance schedule of the gun is irrelevant in that scenario. It can leave your hands squeaky clean and get fouled up very quickly. I was flat out wrong to discount this concern from guys who shoot more than me and can't practically clean the gun all the time. I don't have any competition guns (although I'd like to get into it) and I just don't want to compromise reliability for incremental improvements to trigger feel.

I'm right there with you. I actually like the GPT a lot. If I had a dedicated competition gun I'd put it on there. It worked fine indoors with basic maintenance but my round count also wasn't particularly high.

But field use and carry is a hard pass. I didn't do anything "extreme". I crossed a creek and got wet up to my waist. I did a short crawl on dry earth. That shut down the gun and it wouldn't work again until I detail stripped and cleaned each part of trigger mechanism.

Using the GPT did spoil me a bit. I'm really not enjoying the stock trigger. Not sure what to do. I tried a minus connector and it it feels horrible. I also tried an Apex trigger but it doesn't fit and so far Apex doesn't seem to care.

[GJM]

I'm right there with you. I actually like the GPT a lot. If I had a dedicated competition gun I'd put it on there. It worked fine indoors with basic maintenance but my round count also wasn't particularly high.

But field use and carry is a hard pass. I didn't do anything "extreme". I crossed a creek and got wet up to my waist. I did a short crawl on dry earth. That shut down the gun and it wouldn't work again until I detail stripped and cleaned each part of trigger mechanism.

Using the GPT did spoil me a bit. I'm really not enjoying the stock trigger. Not sure what to do. I tried a minus connector and it it feels horrible. I also tried an Apex trigger but it doesn't fit and so far Apex doesn't seem to care.

Tell me more about the Apex issue.

I have been using the Apex trigger bar, a 5.0 striker spring, the OEM dot connector and the rest of the OEM parts for a very satisfactory Gen 5 carry trigger on multiple Glocks. Recently, I had a few Apex trigger and bars (G4 and 5) that didn't fit/work, and I returned them to Midway.

My issue with the GPT is it fundamentally changes the Glock's fire control system from an approach that has been proven out over decades, and it imposes maintenance requirements greater than the rest of the pistol. For a high percentage of Glock owners that isn't a good trade off. Glock historically has been conservative about making changes to their design, yet they seemed to jump into the deep end of the pool with this. Better they leave this sort of thing to Timney.

[Beat Trash]

I've carried pistols personally and professionally for almost 40 years. Even if I am not doing "tactical stuff" or a run-n-gun type competition, sometimes things happen. when least expecting to, sometimes I've tripped and fell into a mess. I've been dumped out of the boat when canoeing before. (Midwestern rivers that you would canoeing in are mud filled water.) I've been immersed unexpectedly in brackish Gulf water while on vacation carrying a Glock 19. More than a few times, I've taken a spill while going down snow and/or mud covered hilly ground.

My point is not that I'm a klutz, but sometimes shit happens.

I initially got onto the GPT bandwagon and bought three of them. I really liked them at first. But when I shot a LEOSA qualification with a GPT equipped gun, I was having a bit of a challenge getting my trigger finger into the trigger guard without inadvertently touching the trigger. My guess is that this was due to the trigger shoe being in a slightly different location than the OEM trigger that I was so used to shooting over the years. This only happened once while under the timer, but it got my attention.

Any Glock pistol that I might have put a GPT into would be a gun that I would be carrying for serious use. The increased maintenance schedule wasn't a deal breaker for me. At first. But when thinking over the past times that my gun met up with Mother Nature, combined with the minor hiccup I had shooting a qualification with a GPT in the gun, I decided to pull all three GPT's and sell them off.

I still think it's a great trigger, but not for a serious use gun.

[HCM]

Flat trigger shoes are popular on otherwise standard Glock fire control groups.


Has anyone pulled the trigger shoe off a GPT and put it on a standard trigger bar?

Is that feasible ?

[Up1911Fan]

Flat trigger shoes are popular on otherwise standard Glock fire control groups.


Has anyone pulled the trigger shoe off a GPT and put it on a standard trigger bar?

Is that feasible ?

I haven't looked at a GPT but i'm assuming it's held on the trigger bar with a blind pin like the standard part. You can easily knock the pin out through the polymer on the other side, but the trigger shoe itself is ruined.

[littlejerry]

Tell me more about the Apex issue.


I purchased a gen 5 trigger bar and connector. The trigger shoe is too wide and won't fit unless I "spread" the Gen5 slide release apart, and then let it pinch shut on the trigger shoe.

I can assemble the gun but, as you might expect, there is a lot of drag and the trigger feels worse than stock.

I purchased direct from Apex during their December sale. So far they haven't responded to email or phone. I sent pictures of the issue along with caliper measurements.

[Tensaw]

I purchased direct from Apex during their December sale. So far they haven't responded to email or phone. I sent pictures of the issue along with caliper measurements.

Damn. I would have expected them to jump on this and make it right.

[eric0311]

Does anyone know if rumors surrounding the GPT’s development, specifically for the FBI’s HRT, are true? If so, is HRT currently using the GPT in their duty pistols?

[GJM]

I purchased a gen 5 trigger bar and connector. The trigger shoe is too wide and won't fit unless I "spread" the Gen5 slide release apart, and then let it pinch shut on the trigger shoe.

I can assemble the gun but, as you might expect, there is a lot of drag and the trigger feels worse than stock.

I purchased direct from Apex during their December sale. So far they haven't responded to email or phone. I sent pictures of the issue along with caliper measurements.

I wonder if they had a bad batch of parts. I happily and without issue used near a dozen of their Gen 5 trigger and trigger bars, and then this fall got three bad ones (two Gen 4 and one Gen 5).

[GJM]

Does anyone know if rumors surrounding the GPT’s development, specifically for the FBI’s HRT, are true? If so, is HRT currently using the GPT in their duty pistols?

I think the more interesting question is whether HRT is using the GPT today?

[eric0311]

I think the more interesting question is whether HRT is using the GPT today?

Exactly… it would be interesting to see what they learned about testing the GPT in real-world conditions.

[littlejerry]

Flat trigger shoes are popular on otherwise standard Glock fire control groups.


Has anyone pulled the trigger shoe off a GPT and put it on a standard trigger bar?

Is that feasible ?

I'm going to try since my Apex trigger is no good.

[HCM]

Does anyone know if rumors surrounding the GPT’s development, specifically for the FBI’s HRT, are true? If so, is HRT currently using the GPT in their duty pistols?

HRT tends to operate on “the first rule of fight club” so actual confirmation one way or the other is unlikely. And if it was tested and declined, it would probably be under NDA.

As GJM noted, developed for doesn’t necessarily = adopted or in field use by.

When the bureau was looking to transition their tactical teams from 1911s to Gen4 9mm Glocks they tested multiple aftermarket Glock triggers before coming back to factory minus connectors. Nothing else had the durability to remain reliable under heavy firing schedules, and or adverse conditions.

[Biggy]

I think the more interesting question is whether HRT is using the GPT today?


I don't know about the HRT but I don't think the DEA does, LOL !!! Even though I've carried Glocks in the past with no SCD installed on them, these days it is a must have for **me**. While it's not an absolute guarantee against an AD when reholstering your Glock (you still have to remember to use it), I like having that option with the original Glock trigger.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfONckOPyaI&t=5s&pp=ygUmZ2xvY2sgZ29lcyBvZmYgb24gY2xhc3Nyb29tIGluc3R ydWN0b3I%3D

[Beat Trash]

Overwatch Precision makes a flat faced polymer trigger for the Glock Gen5 with an OEM trigger bar that they have coated with NP3.

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this?


https://overwatchprecision.com/polydat-trigger-for-glock/

[HCM]

I don't know about the HRT but I don't think the DEA does, LOL !!! Even though I've carried Glocks in the past with no SCD installed on them, these days it is a must have for **me**. While it's not an absolute guarantee against an AD when reholstering your Glock (you still have to remember to use it), I like having that option with the original Glock trigger.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfONckOPyaI&t=5s&pp=ygUmZ2xvY2sgZ29lcyBvZmYgb24gY2xhc3Nyb29tIGluc3R ydWN0b3I%3D

Nothing in the video you posted is relevant to Glock triggers, the SCD, or re-holstering. When you intentionally pull the trigger on a loaded gun it fires…..

Agent in the video is a former NFL player, one speculate on how significant that was with regard to his hiring and retention.

Regardless, the issue in the video stemmed from the individual and his partner, who in this version of the video is off camera, not understanding the cycle of operation, and not actually paying attention to what they’re looking at.

The agent in the video starts with a loaded gun, he locks the slide back and sees a round come out. He is apparently oblivious to the fact that there is still a loaded magazine in the gun. In better quality versions of the video with the full aspect ratio, you can see him walk over to another agent who is leaning over against the wall and show him the open ejection port to “verify” the gun is clear. Unfortunately his homie did him dirty. You can see brass from the round at the top of the magazine visible in the open ejection port as he walks back-and-forth. He then drops the slide, unknowingly chambering around and pulls the trigger on what he believes is an unloaded gun.

As discussed elsewhere on PF, I’ve seen more negligent discharges resulting from people, not understanding, clearing procedures, or the cycle of operation than due to light triggers. There is a significant body of research supporting this including the research done by NYPD to drop the 12lb “NY plus” trigger for the standard 5.5lb trigger.

Foreign objects getting in the trigger guard would probably be the second leading cause I’ve seen, followed by people rushing to get their finger on the trigger during the draw being a distant third.

There are literally millions of Glocks in institutional use around the world without SCDs, yet the most common, cause of ND’s remains not understanding the cycle of operation and not following the correct order for clearing procedures, particularly when it’s time to pull the trigger to disassemble the gun.

This is why, while the SCD is great, and I would put them on my institutions Glocks, if I were king for a day, you don’t see any significant institutional adoption of the SCD.

[WDR]

I purchased a gen 5 trigger bar and connector. The trigger shoe is too wide and won't fit unless I "spread" the Gen5 slide release apart, and then let it pinch shut on the trigger shoe.

I can assemble the gun but, as you might expect, there is a lot of drag and the trigger feels worse than stock.

I purchased direct from Apex during their December sale. So far they haven't responded to email or phone. I sent pictures of the issue along with caliper measurements.

Interesting. Do you have another slide release to try, maybe from another gun? Maybe that one is "tight" compared to others? I'd suspect the stamped and bent Glock part, before I'd suspect that machined Apex part being out of spec (not saying it couldn't be possible).

The Apex I recently installed in a Gen5 19 didn't have that issue. I'd be interested in knowing what your width measurement was.

[littlejerry]

Interesting. Do you have another slide release to try, maybe from another gun? Maybe that one is "tight" compared to others? I'd suspect the stamped and bent Glock part, before I'd suspect that machined Apex part being out of spec (not saying it couldn't be possible).


The Apex I recently installed in a Gen5 19 didn't have that issue. I'd be interested in knowing what your width measurement was.

I have another slide release in my Glock 44. I have a spare OEM trigger along with the GPT which gives me 4 examples of OEM triggers. All 4 fit freely in my 19.5. The GPT feels slightly tight when installing in the 44 but once in it moves freely.

The Apex is tighter in the G44 than the 19. It measure 0.2570" wide

[stomridertx]

Flat trigger shoes are popular on otherwise standard Glock fire control groups.


Has anyone pulled the trigger shoe off a GPT and put it on a standard trigger bar?

Is that feasible ?

I've done something similar in removing a standard G17 trigger shoe and installing it on a G48 trigger bar to get rid of the serrated trigger shoe they put on the slimlines. You wind up with the previously blind pin exposed, but I didn't have problems with it walking out. You can take a soldering iron to the hole to move plastic over the pin, but I didn't take it that far. Looking at pictures of the GPT, I think it's the same procedure.
Given the cost of the GPT, I think it makes more sense to buy an aftermarket trigger shoe only from Overwatch, Apex, etc.

[GJM]

https://youtu.be/OH1PqlNGC7A?si=GnafA2hveQlWm85Z

[JSGlock34]

Distributors are showing a new part number (GL74332) for the Performance Trigger. Updated part? Some websites are showing GEN4/5 compatibility.

[eric0311]

https://youtu.be/OH1PqlNGC7A?si=GnafA2hveQlWm85Z

Interesting… subjective, but interesting. Hopefully more information surfaces, regarding the “tester” or “unit” triggers… perhaps they have the illusive DLC coating.

[WDR]

I have another slide release in my Glock 44. I have a spare OEM trigger along with the GPT which gives me 4 examples of OEM triggers. All 4 fit freely in my 19.5. The GPT feels slightly tight when installing in the 44 but once in it moves freely.

The Apex is tighter in the G44 than the 19. It measure 0.2570" wide

I just pulled the Apex out of my 19.5 I had it installed in, and measured the same width of 0.257" on the trigger shoe across the pin hole. I also measured the inside of the slide stop lever at 0.263" trying to center on the pin hole. Plenty of clearance.

I didn't measure another guns slide stop lever, but I did have a strange issue where the trigger felt extremely heavy and had a distinct hitch in pull and reset using the OEM "minus" connector when installed in my 34.5. The issue seemed to lie somewhere in the trigger bar-connector interface. Swapping the original OEM minus for another OEM minus I had on hand made that issue completely go away. This 34.5 has always had an odd hitch in the pull with the original OEM parts, and I really have not shot it enough to smooth things out. Very strange, and makes me somewhat distrust the Apex without some further vetting, but it may be the original OEM minus that is the culprit here. I did notice that the trigger shoe fit more "snug" in the slide stop lever of the 34.5 too, though it still moved freely. I should have measured that, but the hitch in the trigger distracted me.

I put about 250 rounds through my 19.5 with the Apex installed before I did all this, with zero issues. I've reinstalled my OEM trigger in the 19.5, and moved the Apex to the 34.5 for farther consideration and testing. I have another 19.5 and a 26.5 I could also try it in, and I may get around to that at some point.

Sorry for the thread drift. Back on topic... it does seem that Glock is changing or updating the Performance Trigger. If you try to click links on their dedicated webpage for the trigger, there are some dead links.

[WDR]

Distributors are showing a new part number (GL74332) for the Performance Trigger. Updated part? Some websites are showing GEN4/5 compatibility.

https://store.glock.us/glock-performance-trigger brings up a 404 message... so something is going on.

[Tokarev]

Stoeger ditching the Glock triggers.


https://youtu.be/OH1PqlNGC7A?si=lG0-fEFWio4bNWia

Sent from my SM-S901U using Tapatalk

[SwampDweller]

I was very interested in the Performance Trigger when it first came out. Usually Glock OEM anything is reliable. But shortly after it got out there in use I started hearing people having issues with them, so I wrote them off. It looks like it was the right move. A shame, because they really do feel nice.

[littlejerry]

I just pulled the Apex out of my 19.5 I had it installed in, and measured the same width of 0.257" on the trigger shoe across the pin hole. I also measured the inside of the slide stop lever at 0.263" trying to center on the pin hole. Plenty of clearance.

I didn't measure another guns slide stop lever, but I did have a strange issue where the trigger felt extremely heavy and had a distinct hitch in pull and reset using the OEM "minus" connector when installed in my 34.5. The issue seemed to lie somewhere in the trigger bar-connector interface. Swapping the original OEM minus for another OEM minus I had on hand made that issue completely go away. This 34.5 has always had an odd hitch in the pull with the original OEM parts, and I really have not shot it enough to smooth things out. Very strange, and makes me somewhat distrust the Apex without some further vetting, but it may be the original OEM minus that is the culprit here. I did notice that the trigger shoe fit more "snug" in the slide stop lever of the 34.5 too, though it still moved freely. I should have measured that, but the hitch in the trigger distracted me.

I put about 250 rounds through my 19.5 with the Apex installed before I did all this, with zero issues. I've reinstalled my OEM trigger in the 19.5, and moved the Apex to the 34.5 for farther consideration and testing. I have another 19.5 and a 26.5 I could also try it in, and I may get around to that at some point.

Sorry for the thread drift. Back on topic... it does seem that Glock is changing or updating the Performance Trigger. If you try to click links on their dedicated webpage for the trigger, there are some dead links.

Might be worth a new thread.

My 19.5 also had a hitch from the factory. Out of the box it felt great, then after 500-1k rounds it started getting worse.

It almost had a double rolling break. The weight would build, then go down, then hit the actual "wall" and break. Adding a minus connector reduced the second/final break which almost made it feel worse. It also added more travel between the first and second break.

Eventually it drove me to get the GPT. After ditching the GPT I did some tinkering to figure out what was happening. For my gun the root cause is the trigger bar on the firing pin block.

Viewing through the magwell I could see the trigger bar start on a normal path but during the pull would move laterally outward before hitting the frame and slide. That lateral movement/twist was my first "wall". The trigger bar wouldn't begin to depress the safety until all of the lateral movement was done. When the safety was fully depressed the trigger weight would be substantially reduced before the final wall.

I ended up polishing and radiusing the firing pin safety. I also swapped the spring for a reduced weight one. Those changes made a huge improvement. Now I can use a minus connector and not have a horrible trigger pull.

[rayrevolver]

Might be worth a new thread.

My 19.5 also had a hitch from the factory. Out of the box it felt great, then after 500-1k rounds it started getting worse.

It almost had a double rolling break. The weight would build, then go down, then hit the actual "wall" and break. Adding a minus connector reduced the second/final break which almost made it feel worse. It also added more travel between the first and second break.

Eventually it drove me to get the GPT. After ditching the GPT I did some tinkering to figure out what was happening. For my gun the root cause is the trigger bar on the firing pin block.

Viewing through the magwell I could see the trigger bar start on a normal path but during the pull would move laterally outward before hitting the frame and slide. That lateral movement/twist was my first "wall". The trigger bar wouldn't begin to depress the safety until all of the lateral movement was done. When the safety was fully depressed the trigger weight would be substantially reduced before the final wall.

I ended up polishing and radiusing the firing pin safety. I also swapped the spring for a reduced weight one. Those changes made a huge improvement. Now I can use a minus connector and not have a horrible trigger pull.

Does the path of the trigger bar do this without the slide installed or only when installed with tension? I think I know the answer, just curious.

Arms Unlimited has GPTs for $65 and I bought one before I even had a host.

I now have a G45 and immediately noticed the GPT "trigger finger safety" would bind a little on the frame, just like Stoeger mentioned in his video calling it a "click" (starting 2:39). I dry fired a bunch assuming it would knock down either the small tab on the trigger or the frame and would smooth out. I don't think it has helped much.

So far only 150 rounds live fire and every now and then the trigger would click. Is this a tolerance stacking thing/rare because I don't recall reading about this anywhere else? I don't want to sand the part just yet. I may ping Glock for a new replacement or sell/trade (with full disclosure) for a Gen 5 Gadget.

[2501]

Any news on updates to the GPT? The Glock website is now listing them as being a 5lb pull. I know Glock likes to roll out incremental improvements without saying anything, but if these are improved, and at a more acceptable “duty” weight for a trigger pull, I’ll start harassing my agency to authorize them.

[rayrevolver]

Any news on updates to the GPT? The Glock website is now listing them as being a 5lb pull. I know Glock likes to roll out incremental improvements without saying anything, but if these are improved, and at a more acceptable “duty” weight for a trigger pull, I’ll start harassing my agency to authorize them.

Saw that the GPT is now Gen 4 compatible with a Gen 5 back plate in the kit.

I probably missed it, what connector came with the original 4 lb GPT? I never looked at mine, just installed it.

[2501]

Saw that the GPT is now Gen 4 compatible with a Gen 5 back plate in the kit.

I probably missed it, what connector came with the original 4 lb GPT? I never looked at mine, just installed it.


I believe it was a “-“. I thought it was too light and was messing around with different weights. The old Glock no marking connector, the 5lb from the gen 3, is my favorite so far.

[MTP]

Saw that the GPT is now Gen 4 compatible with a Gen 5 back plate in the kit.

I probably missed it, what connector came with the original 4 lb GPT? I never looked at mine, just installed it.

Regular dot connector

[HCM]

Arms Unlimited has the 4lb Glock Performance Trigger on sale for $65.

They are also listing them as “discontinued.”

Not sure if that means Glock is discontinuing them or just Arms Unlimited.

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[GJM]

I love Glock products, but whoever designed, tested and oversaw manufacturing of this trigger ought to be taken out behind the wood shed. Let's take perhaps the most reliable group of service pistols there are, make them less reliable, and in the process fundamentally alter the fire control system that Glock proved over decades.

[zcap]

Arms Unlimited has the 4lb Glock Performance Trigger on sale for $65.

They are also listing them as “discontinued.”

Not sure if that means Glock is discontinuing them or just Arms Unlimited.



The GPT is not being discontinued, but the part numbers have changed and the new part "Performance Trigger For Glock GEN 4/5" includes a Gen 5 backplate for use in Gen 4 pistols.

The old Glock GPT part number without the back plate is 70272 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025885023?pid=900321).

The new Glock GPT part number with the back plate is 74332 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026874339?pid=586209).

[littlejerry]

I love Glock products, but whoever designed, tested and oversaw manufacturing of this trigger ought to be taken out behind the wood shed. Let's take perhaps the most reliable group of service pistols there are, make them less reliable, and in the process fundamentally alter the fire control system that Glock proved over decades.

That's a bit harsh. It is at least a very safe gamer trigger.

From what I can tell the problem is the weak trigger return spring.

[Texaspoff]

I love Glock products, but whoever designed, tested and oversaw manufacturing of this trigger ought to be taken out behind the wood shed. Let's take perhaps the most reliable group of service pistols there are, make them less reliable, and in the process fundamentally alter the fire control system that Glock proved over decades.


It is rather odd, that it has shown to be less reliable than the standard trigger. The reason I say that is because of the fact it was designed by Glock and some high speed low drag folks at Quantico. I verified this as one of our guys was at the NA during the GPT's initial released, and I had him reach out to firearms guys while he was there, and got the word first hand.

It does provide exactly what it was designed for, a lighter less disturbing trigger pull on a Glock pistol. Unfortunately, it also degrades the reliability of the trigger pull as well.

I had a few of them I ran for a few thousand rounds, and never experienced any issues with it and didn't have any special cleaning rituals for them. I just cleaned it and lubed it like I do the standard fire controls and it ran fine. There are numerous reports of problems with it so I do believe it isn't a superior design by any means.

My biggest complaint with it, was the fact the trigger shoe itself is larger front to rear than the standard trigger, increasing the reach, especially for me and my medium hands. If it had a thinner trigger shoe or at least the same size as the standard, I would still have them. I know you can replace the shoe with a JG shoe, but I don't want a $150 plus non factory trigger in any of my duty pistols. YMMV.




TXPO

[rayrevolver]

The GPT is not being discontinued, but the part numbers have changed and the new part "Performance Trigger For Glock GEN 4/5" includes a Gen 5 backplate for use in Gen 4 pistols.

The old Glock GPT part number without the back plate is 70272 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1025885023?pid=900321).

The new Glock GPT part number with the back plate is 74332 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1026874339?pid=586209).

There was also a technical change as noted earlier, the older part number is a 4 lb trigger, the newer says 5 lb trigger.

Did they change the connector on the new model or is this like they used to call the minus a 3.5 lb and now it's a 4.5 lb???

[Tensaw]

So I've been sitting back watching all this unfold, and for me, the GPT is a no go. That said, am I correct in thinking that the Apex trigger is a *very* good and reliable system for a fighting (Glock) pistol?

[littlejerry]

So I've been sitting back watching all this unfold, and for me, the GPT is a no go. That said, am I correct in thinking that the Apex trigger is a *very* good and reliable system for a fighting (Glock) pistol?

I had a bad experience with Apex. Their trigger shoe didn't fit in either of my Gen5 Glocks(it could be forced to fit, but you could feel the components dragging due to interference). After much back and forth they eventually agreed to give me a refund, but initially they claimed nothing was wrong and wanted to charge me a restocking fee or replace it with another part with no guarantees of proper function or fit.

With my sample it wasn't remarkably different from OEM components. It had additional grit and take-up weight due to the interference for but it didn't seem to change the break weight or pre travel in any way.

Their connector does have some good qualities. It produces a lighter/smoother break without adding as much travel other (-) connectors I've tried in G5 Glocks.

The biggest improvement I've had is just from cleaning up the firing pin block. If I were starting over I'd consider buying a polished OEM part from someone like Johnny Glocks.

[GJM]

On Apex, I have happily run a bunch of them in Gen 5 Glocks, but I did have fit issues with the last few I got. Not sure if they had a bad run or something. Pretty sure Stoeger is running them after pulling the GPT.

I would have been far happier if Glock developed a flat face Apex like trigger with some good coating on the trigger bar that improved the trigger characteristics while maintaining the legacy fire control system.

[littlejerry]

On Apex, I have happily run a bunch of them in Gen 5 Glocks, but I did have fit issues with the last few I got. Not sure if they had a bad run or something. Pretty sure Stoeger is running them after pulling the GPT.

I would have been far happier if Glock developed a flat face Apex like trigger with some good coating on the trigger bar that improved the trigger characteristics while maintaining the legacy fire control system.

I'm tempted to try the Apex part again, but next time I'll order from someone like Brownells who won't jerk me around if I have a problem.

[Noah]

I'm tempted to try the Apex part again, but next time I'll order from someone like Brownells who won't jerk me around if I have a problem.

I just put the Apex connector in with all other parts OEM to get a nice trouble free 4-4.5 lb rolling break with a (by 2024 single action striker standards) fairly long trigger pull with the SCD.

If I wanted a flat shoe and slightly less travel, I'd slap on Overwatch Polydat shoe or Tango Down flat shoe on the same setup.

If I wasn't as fine with my current trigger pull as I am, I might try a 5lb Wolff striker spring.

[GJM]

I bought mine from Midway, and they were a no questions asked immediate refund.

I prefer the Apex as it breaks further forward than the OP.

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this is the Gen 5 G19 I yanked the trigger out of.

It probably has one of the best stock Glock triggers I have pressed.

Since this is an issued piece, I can't change anything, but I plan on buying it when I retire.

All it needs to make it perfect for me is an undercut trigger guard and an optic cut.

https://i.imgur.com/Njd2mnyh.jpg

Did you get those paws from a grizzly? 😁

[MTP]

There was also a technical change as noted earlier, the older part number is a 4 lb trigger, the newer says 5 lb trigger.

Did they change the connector on the new model or is this like they used to call the minus a 3.5 lb and now it's a 4.5 lb???

I have several of the original GPT's with varying round counts, and have recently ordered one of the new 5lb SKU. Should be here tomorrow and I'll report back with my impressions. My hope is they achieved the heavier pull weight by increasing spring strength, which in the GPT would result in a better, more positive reset.

[zcap]

There was also a technical change as noted earlier, the older part number is a 4 lb trigger, the newer says 5 lb trigger.

Did they change the connector on the new model or is this like they used to call the minus a 3.5 lb and now it's a 4.5 lb???

I have six GPTs with the original part #70272. A new Glock with a new GPT #70272 pulls right around 5 lbs on my scale, so I am not clear if Glock increased the return spring strength on the new part 74332 or just put a more realistic pull weight on the box. Anyway, the new part isn't in stock at my preferred retailer yet, but when I get one I'll compare them and post.

At this point I have over 4,000 rounds on two training pistols with GPTs and have yet to encounter any issues. They both pull about 4.5 lbs now and the pull has smoothed out a bit, but the wall and break are still well defined. Not as good as my M&P M2.0 Apex forward set trigger, but not that far behind.

I don't recall if I applied any lube to the trigger after doing so on initial installation (note: there are some new lube points on the GPT in addition to the connector), but I'll shoot about 6,000 rounds training over the coming months and will make a note not to lube my GPTs and see what happens.

[SW CQB 45]

Did you get those paws from a grizzly? 😁

HAHHAHA, my co workers make fun of my hands all the time.

G48
https://i.imgur.com/1fTgzbah.jpg

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Did you get those paws from a grizzly? 😁

SW CQB 45We might be brothers. Mines got the high frontstrap cut you want.
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[CarloMNL]

My biggest complaint with it, was the fact the trigger shoe itself is larger front to rear than the standard trigger, increasing the reach, especially for me and my medium hands. If it had a thinner trigger shoe or at least the same size as the standard, I would still have them.

This is what threw me off when I rented a G17 with a GPT. After that, I shot a few Glock 19s belonging to other people at the range that also had GPTs. While the weight reduction is very much felt, the difference in the size of the shoe wasn't something I could get used to. My fingers are on the shorter side so the change in shoe size definitely affects trigger reach (for me, at least).

[TC215]

It is rather odd, that it has shown to be less reliable than the standard trigger. The reason I say that is because of the fact it was designed by Glock and some high speed low drag folks at Quantico. I verified this as one of our guys was at the NA during the GPT's initial released, and I had him reach out to firearms guys while he was there, and got the word first hand.

It does provide exactly what it was designed for, a lighter less disturbing trigger pull on a Glock pistol. Unfortunately, it also degrades the reliability of the trigger pull as well.

I had a few of them I ran for a few thousand rounds, and never experienced any issues with it and didn't have any special cleaning rituals for them. I just cleaned it and lubed it like I do the standard fire controls and it ran fine. There are numerous reports of problems with it so I do believe it isn't a superior design by any means.

My biggest complaint with it, was the fact the trigger shoe itself is larger front to rear than the standard trigger, increasing the reach, especially for me and my medium hands. If it had a thinner trigger shoe or at least the same size as the standard, I would still have them. I know you can replace the shoe with a JG shoe, but I don't want a $150 plus non factory trigger in any of my duty pistols. YMMV.


TXPO


I'm friends with a few of "those guys" at Quantico. From what I've been told, they are shooting standard M triggers. There seems to be some internal debate about making the switch to the GPT. This info is current as of today.

[MTP]

Received, installed and spent some time with one of the new GPTs (p/n 74332).

This is indeed a different/updated part, not just the same GPT packaged together with a backplate.


My observations after comparing it to older GPTs and doing a couple dry firing sessions. SUBJECTIVE, sample of one, ymmv and all the usual disclaimers apply here.

- The trigger bar is stippled in the rear portion that contacts the frame. As if it was intended to be self cleaning ?

- The coating on the metal parts is very different. All my old GPTs are dull grey. This one is a brighter yellow-ish finish.

- Weight feels heavier than my old GPTs. But my old GPTs are well used, so who knows. Subjectively, this now feels much cleaner but a bit heavier than an OEM minus connector. Most of the weight is at the wall.

- Reset is (again, subjectively) springy enough. Not as positive as an OEM connector, but better than the older GPTs.

- The trigger shoes seems redesigned. I can't get it to hang up in the frame no matter where and how I manipulate the trigger. This was a big issue for me in the older GPTs.

- Uses standard dot connector.


For reference, if it helps you interpret the above, I have approx 8000k on 'first gen' GPTs, and have been a devoted Glock shooter/user for 2 decades (OEM parts only).
I had discontinued using GPTs in Fall last year, due to all my samples (always cleaned & lubed) starting to exibit sticky and multi-stage reset.

I'm going to test this new one to 5k (dry fire, practice & matches only. No other uses for now). All the changes mentioned above do make me hopeful that Glock has silently addressed problems and released this new version.

[littlejerry]

Received, installed and spent some time with one of the new GPTs (p/n 74332).

This is indeed a different/updated part, not just the same GPT packaged together with a backplate.

My observations after comparing it to older GPTs and doing a couple dry firing sessions. SUBJECTIVE, sample of one, ymmv and all the usual disclaimers apply here.

- The trigger bar is stippled in the rear portion that contacts the frame. As if it was intended to be self cleaning ?

- The coating on the metal parts is very different. All my old GPTs are dull grey. This one is a brighter yellow-ish finish.

- Weight feels heavier than my old GPTs. But my old GPTs are well used, so who knows. Subjectively, this now feels much cleaner but a bit heavier than an OEM minus connector. Most of the weight is at the wall.

- Reset is (again, subjectively) springy enough. Not as positive as an OEM connector, but better than the older GPTs.

- The trigger shoes seems redesigned. I can't get it to hang up in the frame no matter where and how I manipulate the trigger. This was a big issue for me in the older GPTs.

- Uses standard dot connector.


For reference, if it helps you interpret the above, I have approx 8000k on 'first gen' GPTs, and have been a devoted Glock shooter/user for 2 decades (OEM parts only).
I had discontinued using GPTs in Fall last year, due to all my samples (always cleaned & lubed) starting to exibit sticky and multi-stage reset.

I'm going to test this new one to 5k (dry fire, practice & matches only. No other uses for now). All the changes mentioned above do make me hopeful that Glock has silently addressed problems and released this new version.


Toss it in the dirt and see if it'll reset.

[eric0311]

Did the new version GPT packaging contain the NIJ trigger warning? Curious on what this new, yellow coating is… DLC, perhaps?

[zcap]

Received, installed and spent some time with one of the new GPTs (p/n 74332).

This is indeed a different/updated part, not just the same GPT packaged together with a backplate.




Are you able to post a side by side pic of the old and new GPT? At least the visually verifiable points you listed like stippled trigger bar and yellowish finish hue are present on my GPTs with the older part #70272.

[MTP]

Did the new version GPT packaging contain the NIJ trigger warning? Curious on what this new, yellow coating is… DLC, perhaps?

No NIJ/LE trigger warning on this one

[MTP]

Are you able to post a side by side pic of the old and new GPT? At least the visually verifiable points you listed like stippled trigger bar and yellowish finish hue are present on my GPTs with the older part #70272.

Interesting. Note, all of my "gen 1" GPTs are Feb-Apr 2023 vintage, so based on what you are saying there may have been multiple rolling changes.

I have a fugly comparison pic on my phone, will post later. But it prob won't tell you much, since it shows my oldest GPT vs this new one.

[zcap]

Interesting. Note, all of my "gen 1" GPTs are Feb-Apr 2023 vintage, so based on what you are saying there may have been multiple rolling changes.

I have a fugly comparison pic on my phone, will post later. But it prob won't tell you much, since it shows my oldest GPT vs this new one.

Interesting indeed. All of my GPTs were acquired new in late 2023 / early 2024, so if there was a rolling revision it appears to have occurred recently. The trigger bars in my GPTs are labelled as part 65242. Does that match either of your old or new GPT trigger bars?

[MTP]

Are you able to post a side by side pic of the old and new GPT? At least the visually verifiable points you listed like stippled trigger bar and yellowish finish hue are present on my GPTs with the older part #70272.

Feb 2023 vs Feb 2024

The finish difference is much more pronounced IRL.

I have a second '74332' GPT in the mail, as soon as its here I'll take a better comparison pic of the trigger shoe. Time permitting I'll also do a full disassembly of old and new to compare the springs.

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[MTP]

Interesting indeed. All of my GPTs were acquired new in late 2023 / early 2024, so if there was a rolling revision it appears to have occurred recently. The trigger bars in my GPTs are labelled as part 65242. Does that match either of your old or new GPT trigger bars?

65242 on all of mine, regardless of SKU, manuf period or stippling.

[zcap]

Feb 2023 vs Feb 2024

The finish difference is much more pronounced IRL.

I have a second '74332' GPT in the mail, as soon as its here I'll take a better comparison pic of the trigger shoe. Time permitting I'll also do a full disassembly of old and new to compare the springs.


Thanks for the pic. Here are a couple of my late 2023 GPT #70272. At least to my eye, they look just like your #74332.

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[MTP]

Thanks for the pic. Here are a couple of my late 2023 GPT #70272. At least to my eye, they look just like your #74332.

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Yes, looks pretty much identical (difficult to judge finish color/hue though).

Did yours come with the NIJ 3.5lbs warning leaflet?

[zcap]

Yes, looks pretty much identical (difficult to judge finish color/hue though).

Did yours come with the NIJ 3.5lbs warning leaflet?

I don't recall if they came with a leaflet, but the box had a notice along the lines of "4lbs, does not meet NIJ standard for duty use". However, all my GPTs pulled almost right at 5lbs when measured just after install.

[zcap]

Feb 2023 vs Feb 2024

The finish difference is much more pronounced IRL.

I have a second '74332' GPT in the mail, as soon as its here I'll take a better comparison pic of the trigger shoe. Time permitting I'll also do a full disassembly of old and new to compare the springs.

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Here is another late 2023 GPT that has never been cleaned with nearly 2k rounds. It is still extremely smooth, even more so than my nearly unused GPTs. Not sure how many rounds you have on your old GPT, but so far this GPT with the brighter finish does not seem to be exhibiting the same wear pattern as your old GPT.

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[Tensaw]

You know, it's kind of shitty that users have to go through all this to decode changes (to such a critical component of a lifesaving tool), when Glock could simply post a note on the website advising what changed. Yeah, I know, this is asking waaay too much from the Perfect Pistol Company...

[eric0311]

No NIJ/LE trigger warning on this one

Interesting… thank you for your updates!

[vandal]

Received my 74332 today. My original GPT came with a dot connector, while the new version came with a standard (unmarked) connector.

[MTP]

Received my 74332 today. My original GPT came with a dot connector, while the new version came with a standard (unmarked) connector.

My previous statement in post #706 was wrong .. my new 74332 also came with a standard connector, not a dot connector.

[vandal]

The differences are small visually but it seems like Glock did the trigger tab filing so we don't have to. At least in these samples, 74332 (GPT "Gen 2"?) has slightly less safety tab protruding below the shoe, and slightly more of a gap between rear face of tab and frame. I have not been able to get the 74332 trigger shoe/tab to hang up on the frame with a less-than ideal press. I can make the 74332 do it.




70272 installed in G45

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53539573562_dae44bc512_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pz7iVU)



74332 installed in G19.5MOS

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53540457241_f404793e18_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2pzbQBK)

[Noah]

If it wasn't for the SCD I'd give this gen 2 GPT a try.

[JTQ]

I have not been able to get the 74332 trigger shoe/tab to hang up on the frame with a less-than ideal press. I can make the 74332 do it.

Is there a typo here?

[vandal]

Yes, that should read that I can make the 70272 hang.


Is there a typo here?

[Kirk]

Hey guys, any updates on the “Gen 2” GPT? I’m thinking of throwing one in a G34 to try out.

[TWR]

Not sure if anyone else has tried this but I tried one in a G44. I did swap the ejector. At first I was ecstatic while dry firing and the first few rounds went into a group half the size of what I could get with the stock trigger. But then I got a light strike, then another, then it would not cycle all the way and fail to pick up another round. This gun eats everything with the stock trigger so back to stock it went.

I got to thinking that a heavier striker spring would cure the light strikes but make it worse for cycling. This was with CCI Blazer. Maybe it could be tuned for The extra high velocity ammo or maybe even just Mini Mags but I don’t want it to be that picky.

Odd thing is I saw on Glock Europe’s site they list it to work in the 44.

But dang it is a nice trigger!

[zcap]

Hey guys, any updates on the “Gen 2” GPT? I’m thinking of throwing one in a G34 to try out.

I put a couple thousand more rounds on my GPTs and to date they are all have run perfectly. Based upon comparison pictures, I believe all my GPTs to be the latest revision, although they aren't the SKU that includes the backplate.

One thing I noticed is that the new spring in the trigger housing body that pushes the trigger forward without the slide cycling helps with dry fire practice as I can work on trigger control on followup presses.

[zcap]

Not sure if anyone else has tried this but I tried one in a G44. I did swap the ejector. At first I was ecstatic while dry firing and the first few rounds went into a group half the size of what I could get with the stock trigger. But then I got a light strike, then another, then it would not cycle all the way and fail to pick up another round. This gun eats everything with the stock trigger so back to stock it went.

I got to thinking that a heavier striker spring would cure the light strikes but make it worse for cycling. This was with CCI Blazer. Maybe it could be tuned for The extra high velocity ammo or maybe even just Mini Mags but I don’t want it to be that picky.



The GPT releases the striker lug with approximately 0.050" more travel compared to the standard Glock trigger assembly, so all else equal you should be getting stronger primer strikes with the GPT. The extra striker travel combined with the trigger pull not being directly affected by the striker spring weight is one of the benefits of the GPT.

I am guessing there is something else going on, but given the ammo is CCI Blazer who knows. I have a G44 with a GPT installed waiting on a 44X slide (https://www.nelsonprecisionmfg.com/product-page/44x-oem-style-slide) that I will run with a red dot. I'll put some heavy use on that soon and report back.

[MTP]

Hey guys, any updates on the “Gen 2” GPT? I’m thinking of throwing one in a G34 to try out.

My pair of 'Gen 2' GPTs has been functionally great so far, installed in G17s.

I liked the pull characteristics of the original GPT with dot connector more. The standard unmarked connector in the 'Gen 2' gives it an odd wall just before release, which I dislike.

I could replace the connector, but these now have a specific coating in the GPT. I might give the Overwatch NP3'ed Glock OEM Dot Connector a try. But man Im tired of messing around with triggers in a Glock. Too much fiddling and too little shooting. Tempted to just go back to OEM minus connectors across the board.

[zcap]

My pair of 'Gen 2' GPTs has been functionally great so far, installed in G17s.

I liked the pull characteristics of the original GPT with dot connector more. The standard unmarked connector in the 'Gen 2' gives it an odd wall just before release, which I dislike.

I could replace the connector, but these now have a specific coating in the GPT. I might give the Overwatch NP3'ed Glock OEM Dot Connector a try. But man Im tired of messing around with triggers in a Glock. Too much fiddling and too little shooting. Tempted to just go back to OEM minus connectors across the board.


Yeah, I also noticed that little hitch on my new GPTs when they are first installed. On my triggers that hitch has gone away with use.

The Overwatch NP3'd connectors paired with their Falx trigger were what I used before the GPTs. I wish Overwatch polished their OEM connectors and trigger bars before NP3 coating. I had 5 Falx triggers and always ended up having to smooth out the machining imperfections in the trigger bar and is so doing eliminated much of the NP3 coating on the contact points. I haven't tried their in-house trigger bars yet, perhaps those are better prepared before NP3 coating. I also used a slightly lighter striker spring and safety plunger spring to help smooth out my Overwatch triggers. I do appreciate being back to full power OEM springs with the GPT.

[TWR]

The GPT releases the striker lug with approximately 0.050" more travel compared to the standard Glock trigger assembly, so all else equal you should be getting stronger primer strikes with the GPT. The extra striker travel combined with the trigger pull not being directly affected by the striker spring weight is one of the benefits of the GPT.

I am guessing there is something else going on, but given the ammo is CCI Blazer who knows. I have a G44 with a GPT installed waiting on a 44X slide (https://www.nelsonprecisionmfg.com/product-page/44x-oem-style-slide) that I will run with a red dot. I'll put some heavy use on that soon and report back.

I may try it again but this 44 has never failed with Blazer. I did try some Automatch and it was horrible. I know in revolvers a DA trigger pull gets just a little more power than with a SA strike. I figured it was the same here but didn’t look at anything, just went back to stock. Hmmm…

[JT007immy]

I have Task Force ranger flat trigger shoe
Never regret ..

[TWR]

So I stuck the GPT back in the 44 and noticed the instructions say to oil it. I oiled it and dry firing it seemed to be just as strong as with the original trigger.

I headed out this evening with Remington Golden bullets, Mini Mags and stingers. It worked perfectly with all of those. Decided to try the Blazers again and it worked for 50 rounds. Grabbed a second box and had 3 rounds that fired just weak enough to not fully cycle the action and strip a new round out of the magazine. I don’t know if it was dry, bad ammo or just dumb luck but I shot about 250 rounds into a B8 at 15 yards with maybe 10 out of the black. Way better than I could do with the stock trigger.

I did try some Federal punch in it too and while the 4 or 5 went off, they did not extract and one required a cleaning rod to punch the empty out of the chamber.

I’m very pleased with the setup.

[Sensei]

I picked up the GPC 2.0 (74332) and installed it in a G34.5 MOS that has a Trijicon SRO. It brought the trigger weight down from 5.5-6 lbs to 4. There is no way that this would be anything but a gamer gun for me as it is effectively a 1911 without a thumb safety or the possibility of a SCD.

[DLWinner]

I installed one for a coworker and after approximately 700 rounds, it failed to reset. I took it apart and oiled it and it seems to be good to go. These are sketchy in my opinion.

[Texaspoff]

So here is where I have landed with Glock triggers. I have the new version of the Glock performance trigger and overall it was an improvement from the original. They use a standard connector in the new version, and the trigger safety tab no longer catches when pulled, like it did on the original. It still has the fat trigger shoe, which I am not a fan of. It increases my reach to the trigger which is almost a no go for me with Glock and the GPT. I did like the characteristics of new GPT enough I installed a pre travel adjustment screw in the factory shoe to remove some of the pre travel and at least get the reach back to the same as the factory setup.

I picked up the Timney Alpha and gave it a spin. I used a Glock standard connector and the Johnny Glock extra power return spring. I was quite happy with the setup in general. Pull weights were clocking in at 4.6-4.8 pounds. This is what I consider perfect for a SD/Duty pistols. No issues with light strikes or anything else to note. The trigger shoe fitment on the trigger bar and trigger pin was rather sloppy, loose tolerances, which surprised me considering Timney only builds triggers. Trigger reach was very nice, which is a big plus for me.

I also ordered a Ranger Proof/Johnny Glock Vex trigger shoe for the GPT. The shoe fit the trigger bar and trigger pin perfectly. Very little play, the tolerances are spot on, and after several conversations with Andy at RP and Johnny Glock, tolerances are a big deal with these guys. The better the tolerances, the more precise feeling you will get from a trigger setup. Trigger reach is also perfect with the Vex shoe and GPT. Trigger reach is almost exactly the same as it is with my 320's and flat triggers shoes, I measured them. Trigger pulls are again at the 4.6 range with this setup, with a smooth take-up, distinct wall, sharp break, and perfect reset. IMO this is one of the best combat type trigger setups I have used in a Glock or any other platform.

All the safety systems were engaged and operational with all of these setups. Even though they removed some of the pre travel, the trigger bar did not disengage the striker safety block, or move past the connector housing drop shelf until the trigger was pulled, removing the remaining pre travel. The GPT also has the added tab on the sear to prevent the sear from moving downward unless the trigger bar is pulled fully to the rear. The Timney does not have this feature, but I did beat the crap out of my pistol from multiple angles with a rubber mallet and never had the sear drop or striker fall. Never had a dead trigger during any of these test as well.

Price wise, both the Timney and GPT with Vex are about the same. Performance wise, I prefer the GPT and Vex based on the feel of the entire pull and trigger reach. I returned my Timney and picked up another GPT Vex combo. YMMV.

Timney Alpha

https://i.imgur.com/hjB8G5ph.jpg


GPT with Vex

https://i.imgur.com/63WXhkHh.jpg






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[SW CQB 45]

I have six GPTs with the original part #70272. A new Glock with a new GPT #70272 pulls right around 5 lbs on my scale, so I am not clear if Glock increased the return spring strength on the new part 74332 or just put a more realistic pull weight on the box. Anyway, the new part isn't in stock at my preferred retailer yet, but when I get one I'll compare them and post.

At this point I have over 4,000 rounds on two training pistols with GPTs and have yet to encounter any issues. They both pull about 4.5 lbs now and the pull has smoothed out a bit, but the wall and break are still well defined. Not as good as my M&P M2.0 Apex forward set trigger, but not that far behind.

I don't recall if I applied any lube to the trigger after doing so on initial installation (note: there are some new lube points on the GPT in addition to the connector), but I'll shoot about 6,000 rounds training over the coming months and will make a note not to lube my GPTs and see what happens.

Today I was shooting my G4G19 (teaching a cadet class) with the newer model GPT and for a few rounds it felt like the trigger return was sluggish. (My trigger finger reset speed felt faster than the trigger was returning)

I don't have 100 rounds through it, and I have oiled it as instructed on the included document.

Since I was teaching, I did not have time to mess with it. A short time later, the sluggish trigger return went away.

I will keep an eye on it.

[SW CQB 45]

Today I was shooting my G4G19 (teaching a cadet class) with the newer model GPT and for a few rounds it felt like the trigger return was sluggish. (My trigger finger reset speed felt faster than the trigger was returning)

I don't have 100 rounds through it, and I have oiled it as instructed on the included document.

Since I was teaching, I did not have time to mess with it. A short time later, the sluggish trigger return went away.

I will keep an eye on it.

Follow up to my above post.

I was the culprit, somewhat.

My trigger finger meat is getting underneath the trigger tip and dragging the return.

I have been pressing a Glock trigger since 92. I am still on the fence with this trigger. Maybe it will be different in a Gen 5.

[Steve m]

Good afternoon,

Anyone know the recommended interval for changing the little spring inside the GPT? Also where can you get just that part?

Thanks
Steve

[Texaspoff]

Good afternoon,

Anyone know the recommended interval for changing the little spring inside the GPT? Also where can you get just that part?

Thanks
Steve

I have no idea, nothing has been listed about it. I wonder if it is in fact using the same trigger return spring that is in the Gen5 guns. Of course that would make way to much sense and I'm not sure if Glock thought about that, or did they? If it is the same spring, I would probably just go with the normal servicing schedule. I would have to look up the actual numbers, but I typically change mine out at 7k or so. The original Glock trigger return spring was 5k, but the new design compresses rather than stretches the spring, which increases service life.





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[Steve m]

Thank you, sound advice

[Keebsley]

Picked up a GPT and tossed it into a G45. After reading 75 pages of responses, I've read that it does not work with a SCD. Speaking with two other friends, resulted the same answer. Thing is: I have a SCD on mine and it works the same as with a stock standard trigger. The difference between myself and my two friends? Mine was an OG SCD vs the Langdon SCD.

So those that it didn't work with their SCD: was it a Langdon SCD or an OG SCD?

[backtrail540]

Picked up a GPT and tossed it into a G45. After reading 75 pages of responses, I've read that it does not work with a SCD. Speaking with two other friends, resulted the same answer. Thing is: I have a SCD on mine and it works the same as with a stock standard trigger. The difference between myself and my two friends? Mine was an OG SCD vs the Langdon SCD.

So those that it didn't work with their SCD: was it a Langdon SCD or an OG SCD?

If your scd sits flush then something is wrong. The gpt fully cocks the striker and the scd will be fully protruded from the slide.

[JonInWA]

I'm about halfway through the thread discussions, so if this is answered, my apologies; Why is the GPT restricted to only 9mm Gen5/Gen4 platforms, and not apparently allowed to similar-sized .40/.45 ACP/10mm Glocks?

Best, Jon

[eric0311]

6500 rounds- ZERO issues through my (1st Gen) Glock Performance Trigger… host gun: Glock 19.5

[thatguybryan]

What are the current thoughts on reliable duty/carry trigger upgrades if not the GPT?

I’m also looking at the apex duty vs the overwatch precision trigger units, but not sure if anyone has experience with both to compare?

I tried a GPT with a Johnny glock vex shoe on it, and it was a very nice trigger. After looking at all the reviews online though, it seems that the trigger shoes can break and I’d rather not have that happen on a gun I’m carrying.

[Texaspoff]

What are the current thoughts on reliable duty/carry trigger upgrades if not the GPT?

I’m also looking at the apex duty vs the overwatch precision trigger units, but not sure if anyone has experience with both to compare?

I tried a GPT with a Johnny glock vex shoe on it, and it was a very nice trigger. After looking at all the reviews online though, it seems that the trigger shoes can break and I’d rather not have that happen on a gun I’m carrying.

FWIW I have that setup on my duty pistol and it has been run pretty hard over the past few months, 2k rounds currently. Yes there was a set of VEX triggers that failed, but it was due to some inferior materials used in manufacturing. I get my VEX shoes directly from the manufacture of the JG VEX shoe, RangerProof. We had an in depth discussion about the failures, and they changed vendors and materials. I'm not concerned at all about the newest production VEX shoes.

Honestly, if I wasn't using the GPT and VEX for duty, I would just run my GPT with my modded factory flat trigger shoe. I installed a set screw to remove some of the take up to give me a better reach to the trigger. After trying and using tons of different connectors and trigger systems over many, many years, I haven't found any that give me much of a difference between the stock ones. The design of the Glock fire control system doesn't lend itself to a wide range of performance variables. Lighten the trigger pull, you loose the distinct wall. To get a solid wall, you get a heavier trigger.

Glocks factory triggers are a pretty good balance of the two. The way the system works, there just isn't really much you can do. The GPT and Timney triggers are the biggest improvements to the Glock trigger systems. I don't recommend the Timney, even a modded one for duty use.



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[45dotACP]

Glocks factory triggers are a pretty good balance of the two. The way the system works, there just isn't really much you can do. The GPT and Timney triggers are the biggest improvements to the Glock trigger systems. I don't recommend the Timney, even a modded one for duty use.



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What makes the Timney trigger less safe in your opinion?

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