New 365 looks like! P365x macro

[Polecat]

Some oics on Sigtalk today, looks like bit upsized 365, 9mm, spectre porting, 17 rounds. About size of P322 it appears.

I am in!

[RJ]

Copied pic seems interesting,

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Is this the rumored P320 sized P365?

[Kyle Reese]

I’m in. I love my 365XLs- they punch far above their weight.


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[Ndbbm]

Be nice if it was just a new lower and magazines. Getting close if not there of someone’s suggestion to fix the 320 was just make the 365 bigger.

Jason

[ssb]

The only concern I have is that they’re probably starting to get quite long in the grip. With the 15rd mag inserted, the gun is taller than a G19, somewhere around 5.3” before an optic is added. My hope is that the frame is a native 15rd frame with 17rd extended mags.

[JCN]

Maybe there will be a larger safety lever option that comes out of this

[HeavyDuty]

Maybe there will be a larger safety lever option that comes out of this

We can hope.

[Brianjkeene]

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[Brianjkeene]

Give me a WC module and a Holosun EPS for this and it could become a go to range gun for me.

[octagon]

Say it isn't so! I said I would consider switching my Glock allegiance if Sig had a full size 365 to go with the 365 and XLs. It looks like they may have done it. Lets see how they run and the details. If it is just a full-size but magazines keep interchangeability, same FCU and slide swapping (at least between next size up and down versions) and it runs. I might be buying guns and support gear with Glocks being sold or safe queens.

[LockedBreech]

Seems like they're sorta competing with themselves a little. Not everyone is a gun nerd with dozens in the safe, most people are probably only going to pick one 17+1 pistol.

P365 has been pretty solid out of the gate though, unlike the P320. Good foundation to work off I spose.

[JCN]

Seems like they're sorta competing with themselves a little. Not everyone is a gun nerd with dozens in the safe, most people are probably only going to pick one 17+1 pistol.

P365 has been pretty solid out of the gate though, unlike the P320. Good foundation to work off I spose.

I think the value is that once they get you hooked with one FCU… it’s only one crack hit away from buying all kinds of conversion kits and eventually just buying additional copies of guns you like.

[vandal]

Sig really hates that my “other” gun is a G19.5MOS.

I could see a P365X-Macro grip and a P365XL slide with PMM comp finally replacing that G19 after the P320C failed to.

Except I have a boatload of G19/G17 mags that were 1/3 the price Sig wants for its mags.

[HeavyDuty]

MS…MS…MS…MS!

[Redhat]

what's the mechanical difference from the 320?

[TheNewbie]

Not trying to derail of start a debate, just a serious question.


Did the 365 ever have the drop safety concerns of the P320 (I don’t remember them being an issue)? Is the 365 more trusted in general than the P320?

[4RNR]

I'd love a Hellcat Pro sixed 365

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[Jared]

Not trying to derail of start a debate, just a serious question.


Did the 365 ever have the drop safety concerns of the P320 (I don’t remember them being an issue)? Is the 365 more trusted in general than the P320?

Like anything from Sig, there were early teething problems with the 365. Drop safety wasn’t one of them. Since the early issues got worked out, the 365 has become what is likely SIGs best pistol line.

[D-der]

A little shorter 15rd version with a WC module might be pretty sweet.

[runcible]

I'd love to see ambidextrous and more obtrusive slide-lock\release levers on an out-sized P365, one day.

(Lightheartedly, is this the equivalent to Groundhog's day, whereafter we won't see the similarly niched HK pistol now for another year?)

[Polecat]

My 365s I have had have been great. My 3 P320s had issues, got frustrated. I am pumped to see these. I hope these are the tweener “between” micro and full size I have been dreaming about.

[Beat Trash]

I bought a Sig P322 this week. (Haven’t had time to shoot it yet) my first thought when handling the gun was, “It’d be nice if they made a 9mm version of this gun.”

Maybe someone listened?

[ccmdfd]

Yeah, the very first p365 did not have a great reputation for reliability at all. I believe the guy on Military Arms channel went through three of them with all three breaking at a very low round count.

I agree with some of the others, this does seem like they are competing against their own products like the P320.

[HeavyDuty]

Still nothing in the website. Seriously, I’m curious if this means a physically larger manual safety is in the works - they’ve been broadly supporting manual safeties with the P365 line. My P365 is fine with the little safety, but I wouldn’t mind a larger one on my XL.

[Redhat]

Yeah, the very first p365 did not have a great reputation for reliability at all. I believe the guy on Military Arms channel went through three of them with all three breaking at a very low round count.

I agree with some of the others, this does seem like they are competing against their own products like the P320.


Yeah! I don't know what it is with him. Maybe he just has bad luck but it seems he has trouble with firearms in several of his videos.

[Warped Mindless]

Can’t wait for more details on this. My 365x and XLs are amazing little guns and this is coming from a former glock fanboy who made fun of the 365 when it came out for all of its problems.

Seriously, a 365x/xl with a WC grip and a regular 365 for when you need absolute best concealment is a pretty damn good option for the vast majority of the people who don’t want to own a safe full of guns. So yeah, looking forward to seeing what this new version adds.

[breakingtime91]

If they run, I'll probably sell my 320 and get one of those to replace it. My sig 365xls have been amazing

[Brianjkeene]

If they run, I'll probably sell my 320 and get one of those to replace it. My sig 365xls have been amazing

Same

[breakingtime91]

Yeah! I don't know what it is with him. Maybe he just has bad luck but it seems he has trouble with firearms in several of his videos.

He also tends to run the firearms severally dry. Guns, like all machine need lubrication for thr most part. He seems to think guns should run dry. I get that people want that to be true but in my experience it isn't.

[Kirk]

If these run, which I’m certain they will, I could see myself consolidating down to two of these, two XLs, and two P365Xs.

[Redhat]

He also tends to run the firearms severally dry. Guns, like all machine need lubrication for thr most part. He seems to think guns should run dry. I get that people want that to be true but in my experience it isn't.

He's not the only one. I see youtubers doing "out of the box" reviews who flatly state that they aren't going to lube or do anything to the gun before the go shoot it.

[Wonder9]

Ported? Why did it have to be ported?

[D-der]

He's not the only one. I see youtubers doing "out of the box" reviews who flatly state that they aren't going to lube or do anything to the gun before the go shoot it.

I'm old school, started with 1911's, clean, inspect
and cycle a new gun, run em on the wet side, some
more so than others, load new mags and let em sit...
Overkill I'm sure but, it's pretty rare I have a new
gun that doesn't run

[breakingtime91]

Maybe there will be a larger safety lever option that comes out of this

I dont mind the factory slim one but I agree. The fact that no one has come up with one yet is interesting. Also I hope they update whatever they finish the trigger, slide release, mag release, and safeties in. I have managed to rust one pretty good this summer.

[GJM]

If these run, which I’m certain they will, I could see myself consolidating down to two of these, two XLs, and two P365Xs.

Someone, please make a not of this, so we can follow up! :p

[Hstanton1]

Ported? Why did it have to be ported?

The porting on this isn’t the same as porting on C model glocks, thr barre is shorter than the slide and the expansion chamber is built into the slide. Doesn’t work as well as traditional porting or comps, but it’s more reliable than comps and doesn’t throw out the same kind of debris that porting does.

[orionz06]

Ported? Why did it have to be ported?

Probably because it sells. The masses still bought the SAS too...

[MickAK]

I already have a G19.

I suppose we'll see. I wonder if SouthNarc continued to have success with his MagGuts kits.

[Jeff S.]

As somebody who originally bought the P365XL as an AIWB piece, and then transitioned it to my primary-everything pistol because I like it and shoot so well with it… I really like the idea of the macro.

Looking at my P365XL with the 15 round magazine inserted and then looking at the picture of the macro, it wouldn’t surprise me if the “17 round capacity” is a typo, and the macro’s true capacity is 15, being a flush 15 round magazine from the XL. It would make sense too, from the perspective that the P365 and P365XL share the same 12 round magazine body (extended for P365 and flush for the XL), and the extended 15 round magazine of the XL is the flush magazine of the macro.

[runcible]

As somebody who originally bought the P365XL as an AIWB piece, and then transitioned it to my primary-everything pistol because I like it and shoot so well with it… I really like the idea of the macro.

Looking at my P365XL with the 15 round magazine inserted and then looking at the picture of the macro, it wouldn’t surprise me if the “17 round capacity” is a typo, and the macro’s true capacity is 15, being a flush 15 round magazine from the XL. It would make sense too, from the perspective that the P365 and P365XL share the same 12 round magazine body (extended for P365 and flush for the XL), and the extended 15 round magazine of the XL is the flush magazine of the macro.

I had a similar thought, earlier in the day - reusing the existing 15rd mag bodies, stock FCG, and the P365XL barrel (in the same way that the P365 Spectre Comps reuse the normal P365's barrel) leverages existing production, while the new grip shell (relatively inexpensive) and new slide (already an accepted marketing tool for debuting "new"/must-have models) are just the costs to make more money.

That does make everyone else's desire for a more prominent manual safety lever and my own desire for ambi slide-lock\release levers pretty darn unlikely, but inshallah...

[Polecat]

Hard to from the pics, but I hope it abit bigger design overall, rather than just a taller gripped 365? I think the P365 design should be incorporated into a “mid size” line. It looks like the geip has more front to back room.

[D-der]

Probably because it sells. The masses still bought the SAS too...

Kimber comes to mind...

[octagon]

The porting on this isn’t the same as porting on C model glocks, thr barre is shorter than the slide and the expansion chamber is built into the slide. Doesn’t work as well as traditional porting or comps, but it’s more reliable than comps and doesn’t throw out the same kind of debris that porting does.

And it is legal in all 50 states as there is no threaded barrel.

[98z28]

Hard to from the pics, but I hope it abit bigger design overall, rather than just a taller gripped 365? I think the P365 design should be incorporated into a “mid size” line. It looks like the geip has more front to back room.

It’s hard to tell from pictures, but it looks like the slide is closer to a 320 in width than a 365. I am willing to bet that is is a little bigger than a 365 in all dimensions. I will be pleasantly surprised if it is not a brand new FCU that is not compatible with existing 320/365 parts. This is Sig we’re talking about after all…

[GearFondler]

It’s hard to tell from pictures, but it looks like the slide is closer to a 320 in width than a 365. I am willing to bet that is is a little bigger than a 365 in all dimensions. I will be pleasantly surprised if it is not a brand new FCU that is not compatible with existing 320/365 parts. This is Sig we’re talking about after all…What WML is the one pictured? I don't recognize it but that is a clue to the dust cover width, so probably also the slide width.

[Warped Mindless]

I wouldn’t be upset if sig made a 320 sized 365 and did away with the 320.

Also on my wishlist:

A 365 in .22

[Brianjkeene]

It’s hard to tell from pictures, but it looks like the slide is closer to a 320 in width than a 365. I am willing to bet that is is a little bigger than a 365 in all dimensions. I will be pleasantly surprised if it is not a brand new FCU that is not compatible with existing 320/365 parts. This is Sig we’re talking about after all…

Would love this to be the case but that’s still a RomeoZero on the slide. I’d be willing to bet this will be a p365 standard FCU and slide atop a new grip module and mag.

[Noah]

I wouldn’t be upset if sig made a 320 sized 365 and did away with the 320.

Also on my wishlist:

A 365 in .22


All of the police, government, and military contracts say the 320 will be here for many decades, even if better designs from Sig supplant on the civilian side.

[GJM]

All of the police, government, and military contracts say the 320 will be here for many decades, even if better designs from Sig supplant on the civilian side.

Yep -- the 365>320 is "established science on PF," but not so much in the big army, I mean big forum world.

[Clusterfrack]

It’s hard to tell from pictures, but it looks like the slide is closer to a 320 in width than a 365. I am willing to bet that is is a little bigger than a 365 in all dimensions. I will be pleasantly surprised if it is not a brand new FCU that is not compatible with existing 320/365 parts. This is Sig we’re talking about after all…

Yep. “Modular” and standardized yet incompatible.

[CarlK]

Looking at my P365XL with the 15 round magazine inserted and then looking at the picture of the macro, it wouldn’t surprise me if the “17 round capacity” is a typo, and the macro’s true capacity is 15, being a flush 15 round magazine from the XL. It would make sense too, from the perspective that the P365 and P365XL share the same 12 round magazine body (extended for P365 and flush for the XL), and the extended 15 round magazine of the XL is the flush magazine of the macro.

Jeff, you could be right- I just tried a 12 round baseplate on my 15 round mag and it does look very similar to the teaser pic. The floor plates look a bit deeper though so maybe they can squeeze an extra round in?

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[SouthNarc]

I already have a G19.

I suppose we'll see. I wonder if SouthNarc continued to have success with his MagGuts kits.

About 350 rounds in in that one mag and zero issues.

I had a kid running a 365XL Spectre Comp in class this past weekend in Idaho Falls and he ran Mag Guts internals exclusively. Zero issues.

[RJ]

Would love this to be the case but that’s still a RomeoZero on the slide. I’d be willing to bet this will be a p365 standard FCU and slide atop a new grip module and mag.

Wait, what?

As in, buy a Macro grip module and a 17 round mag, slap my P365X FCU in, then attach my slide barrel and 407K on top?

Holy...cow. Now that would be cool.

[Brianjkeene]

Wait, what?

As in, buy a Macro grip module and a 17 round mag, slap my P365X FCU in, then attach my slide barrel and 407K on top?

Holy...cow. Now that would be cool.

Yes. While I would like a bigger overall firearm, I would put considerable money on this being a grip module and mag upgrade only - aside from the more pedestrian (better) looking built in comp slide.

[davisj]

Wait, what?

As in, buy a Macro grip module and a 17 round mag, slap my P365X FCU in, then attach my slide barrel and 407K on top?

Holy...cow. Now that would be cool.


It appears to me the dust cover is for an XL (3.7” barrel) slide. If so, the X slide would result in a serious underbite.

This might prompt me to buy an XL gun and then get the larger grip module and 17 round magazines.

[TexasSiegfried]

So it essentially makes a 365 Carry?

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[davisj]

Or 365XL Carry

[Warped Mindless]

I’m more excited about this gun than I should be…

[Brianjkeene]

I’m more excited about this gun than I should be…

I am too. My 365xl with WC grip is just so shootable and more fun than it ought to be for being so small and light. I choose to shoot it over my p320 xcarry most times.

[breakingtime91]

I am too. My 365xl with WC grip is just so shootable and more fun than it ought to be for being so small and light. I choose to shoot it over my p320 xcarry most times.

Same.. I have strongly considered selling my 320 and getting another 365xl

[CarlK]

I just put the MagGuts XL +2 kit on my 15 round XL mag and was able to load it with 17 rounds with a little bit of room to spare. Hmmm…

[Nephrology]

I don't really get it. so this basically is a thinner/lighter P320 using a 365 FCU?

I'm still carrying the first Glock I bought 15 years ago so I am not the most up to date on these guns

[Biggy]

My personal preference, I like shape and feel in my hand of the Wilson Combat P320 Carry grip frame more than my Sig P322 and also the thicker and heavier aluminum P320 AXG grip frame. I would like see Sig add a trigger tab safety to their P365 and P320 pistols, bump the trigger break weight up 1 pound and also make the trigger reset around 30% stronger in the P320 and P365 pistols.

[octagon]

My personal preference, I like shape and feel in my hand of the Wilson Combat P320 Carry grip frame more than my Sig P322 and also the thicker and heavier aluminum P320 AXG grip frame. I would like see Sig add a trigger tab safety to their P365 and P320 pistols, bump the trigger break weight up 1 pound and also make the trigger reset around 30% stronger in the P320 and P365 pistols.

Ask and you shall receive.

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/first-look-agency-arms-sig-p320-trigger-shoe-safety-tab/

At least on one ask. I'm sure the trigger feel/weight/reset can be accomplished.

[breakingtime91]

Ask and you shall receive.

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/first-look-agency-arms-sig-p320-trigger-shoe-safety-tab/

At least on one ask. I'm sure the trigger feel/weight/reset can be accomplished.

My 365xls have a very strong reset compared to me 320. 320 you can barely feel.

[kwb377]

I don't really get it. so this basically is a thinner/lighter P320 using a 365 FCU?



If I'm interpreting it correctly, it's a comp'd 365XL length slide with a longer grip to accommodate the 365/X/XL 15rnd. magazine that's been massaged to hold 17 rnds.?

[Nephrology]

If I'm interpreting it correctly, it's a comp'd 365XL length slide with a longer grip to accommodate the 365/X/XL 15rnd. magazine that's been massaged to hold 17 rnds.?

Would it even be SIG if their product catalog made sense to mere mortals such as myself ?

[kwb377]

Would it even be SIG if their product catalog made sense to mere mortals such as myself ?

It's like an adult version of giving a 5 year-old assorted Legos and seeing what they come up with.

[breakingtime91]

It's like an adult version of giving a 5 year-old assorted Legos and seeing what they come up with.

its the equivalent of the AR 15 now, your imagination is kind of the limit.

[Polecat]

If not now surely at some point they will offer a compete “365” line. Not necessarily based on current size FCU, but at least they have the formula. Just pleas give is a “tween” line of small, med, large in between 320 and 365.

[kwb377]

I always thought they chose the "365" moniker because it was small enough that you could carry it 365 days out of the year due to its size (regardless of clothing). If it keeps getting bigger, they'll have to rename it "330".

[octagon]

If I'm interpreting it correctly, it's a comp'd 365XL length slide with a longer grip to accommodate the 365/X/XL 15rnd. magazine that's been massaged to hold 17 rnds.?

You may be right but I thought (and hope) it was a 365XL length barrel but because it uses a Spectre comp style slide it is slightly longer than a 365XL. So like a 4" equivalent slide instead the 365XL slide length of 6.6" it would be 7.2" OAL. (365 is 5.8, 365XL and SC are 6.6" so .8 longer) This way the dust cover could be flush for 365XL and regular Spectre comp length slides and the 365X Macro would have a slide that sticks out slightly like the 365XL slide does. I could be totally wrong but I hope it is that way for full interchangeability of various slides and barrels between models one size smaller or larger.

Mags would be like other "family" of guns like Glock etc.. and you can always use the larger mag but can't use smaller mags in larger frame with some kind of adapter.

This type of set up would also probably allow a user to use a 365 or s65XL slide with a PMM or similar style comp and have it fit flush with the end of the dust cover or slightly longer and work in 365XL holsters most of the time. If Sig only lengthened the grip to accommodate longer mags I am not nearly as excited as long butt 365XL can be accomplished with the 15rnd mags already and XL grips already allow a full 3 finger on the grip comfortably for most people.

[D-der]

You may be right but I thought (and hope) it was a 365XL length barrel but because it uses a Spectre comp style slide it is slightly longer than a 365XL. So like a 4" equivalent slide instead the 365XL slide length of 6.6" it would be 7.2" OAL. (365 is 5.8, 365XL and SC are 6.6" so .8 longer) This way the dust cover could be flush for 365XL and regular Spectre comp length slides and the 365X Macro would have a slide that sticks out slightly like the 365XL slide does. I could be totally wrong but I hope it is that way for full interchangeability of various slides and barrels between models one size smaller or larger.

Mags would be like other "family" of guns like Glock etc.. and you can always use the larger mag but can't use smaller mags in larger frame with some kind of adapter.

This type of set up would also probably allow a user to use a 365 or s65XL slide with a PMM or similar style comp and have it fit flush with the end of the dust cover or slightly longer and work in 365XL holsters most of the time. If Sig only lengthened the grip to accommodate longer mags I am not nearly as excited as long butt 365XL can be accomplished with the 15rnd mags already and XL grips already allow a full 3 finger on the grip comfortably for most people.

This is making me realize, if the actual grip size is the same except length,
I'm probably 85% there, with the exception of a couple of round's with
my PMM comped XL, +2 Maggguts kit and WC module.

[Brianjkeene]

This is making me realize, if the actual grip size is the same except length,
I'm probably 85% there, with the exception of a couple of round's with
my PMM comped XL, +2 Maggguts kit and WC module.

I think this grip module looks bigger front to back in the grip area as well - not just longer. Which in turn, hopefully means that WC will come out with an even bigger grip module in this format.

[HeavyDuty]

I just stopped at the new SIG Experience Center, and if they know anything about this they’re not talking. Not even a sly knowing look.

[JCN]

If it’s the same width as a P322 it’ll fit RMS width and not just relegated to the RMSc size.

Which means some of the wider Holosun models will fit!

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[pastaslinger]

I love the idea because it provides more modularity but I also don't feel lacking with the XL

[Kirk]

If it’s the same width as a P322 it’ll fit RMS width and not just relegated to the RMSc size.

Which means some of the wider Holosun models will fit!

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Quick question- will these fit on a 365XL?

[JCN]

Quick question- will these fit on a 365XL?

Yes but will hang over slightly

[Brianjkeene]

Alright fellas. It’s a new 17rd mag. Height is 5” with the 17rd mag I’m understanding. Grip has replaceable back straps. Magwell a from sig are in the way too.

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[breakingtime91]

Alright fellas. It’s a new 17rd mag. Height is 5” with the 17rd mag I’m understanding. Grip has replaceable back straps. Magwell a from sig are in the way too.

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take my money.

[JCN]

take my money.

At least with Sigs… you’re not technically buying a new gun and blowing your philosophy of paring down!

[breakingtime91]

At least with Sigs… you’re not technically buying a new gun and blowing your philosophy of paring down!

It looks like you could just drop your fcu into the new module and run the 17 round mags.. my 320 may be going away. Man oh man

[Brianjkeene]

It looks like you could just drop your fcu into the new module and run the 17 round mags.. my 320 may be going away. Man oh man

You can. Standard 365 fcu and slide (technically)

[Brianjkeene]

Would really like to see them make a comp’d slide with the 3.7” slide though. Seems appropriate for this model.

[Brianjkeene]

http://site-41293.bcvp0rtal.com/detail/videos/collection-4/video/6309989664112/sig-sauer-p365-macro?autoStart=true

[wmu12071]

Alright fellas. It’s a new 17rd mag. Height is 5” with the 17rd mag I’m understanding. Grip has replaceable back straps. Magwell a from sig are in the way too.

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I don't understand how it can possibly be that size and fit 17 rounds. It looks only slightly longer then the 12 round mag. Looks like it is shorter than a 15 round mag for a 365.

[Brianjkeene]

I don't understand how it can possibly be that size and fit 17 rounds. It looks only slightly longer then the 12 round mag. Looks like it is shorter than a 15 round mag for a 365.

I’m with you. I’m a little skeptical of the 5” height number

[wmu12071]

I’m with you. I’m a little skeptical of the 5” height number

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[HeavyDuty]

Huh. This might actually pull me in to use with my XL slide and FCU. Hopefully Wilson will respond, and both SIG and WC will support MS versions.

[D-der]

Maybe just me but, I'm thinkin a flush fit 15 round mag could be pretty sweet.

[wmu12071]

Another thing, it looks in the pictures of the mag like it will accept conventional extensions unlike the 365 mags.

[WOLFIE]

Is it possible that the grip is a little bit wider on the macro to go with a slightly wider magazine ?

[Brianjkeene]

Is it possible that the grip is a little bit wider on the macro to go with a slightly wider magazine ?

The trigger reach is certainly longer which I’m excited about. Not sure about width.

[WobblyPossum]

Sig is really doing good things with the P365 series. It almost hurts me to say that because I dislike Sig as a company these days and am not a huge fan of the P320. The P365 series is solid and I have no issues recommending it to people.

[HCM]

Another thing, it looks in the pictures of the mag like it will accept conventional extensions unlike the 365 mags.

What do you mean by “conventional extensions?”

[O4L]

http://site-41293.bcvp0rtal.com/detail/videos/collection-4/video/6309989664112/sig-sauer-p365-macro?autoStart=trueThat site seems a little sketch.

[Brianjkeene]

That site seems a little sketch.

Extraordinarily so.

[karandom]

Is it possible that the grip is a little bit wider on the macro to go with a slightly wider magazine ?
I had the same thought on slightly wider mags. The frame is clearly wider. You can see they had to bevel in the frame for the take down lever where it is flush to the frame with no bevel on the p365.

I'm interested to find out more on the mags.

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[Biggy]

IMHO, for a pre-cocked striker pistol, they really ought to come from Sig with a trigger shoe tab safety and also a manual safety option for those that want one.

[HeavyDuty]

IMHO, for a pre-cocked striker pistol, they really ought to come from Sig with a trigger shoe tab safety and also a manual safety option for those that want one.

I would guess that a manual safety version is likely.

[Polecat]

Keep the P320 aesthetic design and just change to a 365 FCU a bit upsized. Can’t wait to see this thing.

[HCM]

IMHO, for a pre-cocked striker pistol, they really ought to come from Sig with a trigger shoe tab safety and also a manual safety option for those that want one.

Tabbed triggers are functionally inertia drop safeties, not “trigger safeties.” Given the direction the trigger bar on SIG striker guns moves when the trigger is pulled they are not effective as inertia safeties in those guns and are thus pointless on the SIG striker guns.

Yes, I am aware that SIG did design a tab trigger and they did supply on at least one overseas contract, the Guatemalan national police. However, SIG knows that. It is just for show and essentially designed it to mollify people who A) are used to Glocks and B) don’t really understand how the gun works, like most police chiefs….

The above is why a Tabbed trigger was not part of the P320 drip safety “upgrade.”

There are both similarities and significant differences between the P320 series and the P365 series. Despite over 1 million P365 series guns in circulation there are no reports of 365 series gun going off “uncommanded” as with the 320.

I’ve mentioned before that the 365 is a better design and that if SIG had not gotten the DOD / MHS contract they would likely have dropped the 320 and introduced a scaled up P365XL as the “320 Gen 2”

The P365 macro uses standard P365 series FCU’s and P365XL slides. If SIG doesn’t offer a manual safety version of the macro, one could easily get a P365 series manual safety FCU and cut a notch in the macro grip shell just as people have done with the AXG aluminum frames for the P320.

[Biggy]

So this pistol would basically be just a thinner P320 that uses a P365 FCU.

[Brianjkeene]

So this pistol would basically be just a thinner P320 that uses a P365 FCU.

In my opinion it’s a p365 with higher capacity and much better grip module that allows it to be better suited outside of just concealment. Based on what I see, I will use this as an all around do everything pistol. I prefer shooting my Wilson Combat p365xl over my Wilson p320 Xcarry.

[Biggy]

Is their any way to increase the trigger break weight on a P365 or P320 by around one pound, as they have always been right on the edge of being about to light *for me* on a carry gun.

[JCN]

Is their any way to increase the trigger break weight on a P365 or P320 by around one pound, as they have always been right on the edge of being about to light *for me* on a carry gun.

You could probably get a stiffer striker spring to accomplish that.

[Biggy]

You could probably get a stiffer striker spring to accomplish that.

I could not find anyone who currently makes a extra power striker spring for the P365 or the P320.

[wmu12071]

What do you mean by “conventional extensions?”

The tabs on the original P365 mag turn to the interior of the mag body so it is difficult or impossible to add an extension. In the picture above the tabs turn out so you can is a normal style extension.

[JCN]

I could not find anyone who currently makes a extra power striker spring for the P365 or the P320.

You could probably with a little leg work, have Wolff springs suggest a suitable alternative.

In a pinch, you could flat shim it.

[Brianjkeene]

You could probably with a little leg work, have Wolff springs suggest a suitable alternative.

In a pinch, you could flat shim it.

Looking at the mag, does any think these are p320 mags?

[HCM]

Looking at the mag, does any think these are p320 mags?

No. Definitely not. Upper portion appears to be a P365 mag. Which makes sense since these use the 365 series FCU and slides.

[WOLFIE]

Tabbed triggers are functionally inertia drop safeties, not “trigger safeties.” Given the direction the trigger bar on SIG striker guns moves when the trigger is pulled they are not effective as inertia safeties in those guns and are thus pointless on the SIG striker guns.

Yes, I am aware that SIG did design a tab trigger and they did supply on at least one overseas contract, the Guatemalan national police. However, SIG knows that. It is just for show and essentially designed it to mollify people who A) are used to Glocks and B) don’t really understand how the gun works, like most police chiefs….

The above is why a Tabbed trigger was not part of the P320 drip safety “upgrade.”

There are both similarities and significant differences between the P320 series and the P365 series. Despite over 1 million P365 series guns in circulation there are no reports of 365 series gun going off “uncommanded” as with the 320.

I’ve mentioned before that the 365 is a better design and that if SIG had not gotten the DOD / MHS contract they would likely have dropped the 320 and introduced a scaled up P365XL as the “320 Gen 2”

The P365 macro uses standard P365 series FCU’s and P365XL slides. If SIG doesn’t offer a manual safety version of the macro, one could easily get a P365 series manual safety FCU and cut a notch in the macro grip shell just as people have done with the AXG aluminum frames for the P320.

I am definitely not an expert regarding tab triggers. My understanding is that the tab will not move due to inertia when the trigger shoe could move due to inertia. The purpose of the tab is to prevent the shoe from moving in case of inertia forces. The purpose of the trigger tab is to prevent the trigger shoe from being moved through the entire range of motion (and firing the pistol) due to inertia. I do not post often and it is difficult to express one’s intent with words. I would like to explain that this post is more of a question than a statement and I consider myself a student.

[GearFondler]

I am definitely not an expert regarding tab triggers. My understanding is that the tab will not move due to inertia when the trigger shoe could move due to inertia. The purpose of the tab is to prevent the shoe from moving in case of inertia forces. The purpose of the trigger tab is to prevent the trigger shoe from being moved through the entire range of motion (and firing the pistol) due to inertia. I do not post often and it is difficult to express one’s intent with words. I would like to explain that this post is more of a question than a statement and I consider myself a student.I don't see your question but if you are merely asking for confirmation of your statements then you are correct.
The trigger tab can also theoretically add some additional protection against accidental discharge by a foreign object but as has been proven far too many times it can be easily defeated.

[JCS]

Is their any way to increase the trigger break weight on a P365 or P320 by around one pound, as they have always been right on the edge of being about to light *for me* on a carry gun.

https://shop.springerprecision.com/ismi-p320-trigger-return-spring/

The +10% will increase trigger pull weight. Can’t say if it’ll get you the 1 lb you desire because I don’t have a pull gauge but it’s a noticeable increase. It will firm up the reset also.

Same thing and they claim .5lb increase https://www.armorycraft.com/product-page/sig-sauer-p320-trigger-return-spring-10

[Biggy]

https://shop.springerprecision.com/ismi-p320-trigger-return-spring/

The +10% will increase trigger pull weight. Can’t say if it’ll get you the 1 lb you desire because I don’t have a pull gauge but it’s a noticeable increase. It will firm up the reset also.

Same thing and they claim .5lb increase https://www.armorycraft.com/product-page/sig-sauer-p320-trigger-return-spring-10

In *using* both of them in my P320 pistols, the above options do very little in changing the triggers break weight and not much on the triggers reset either. They also do not fit the P365 pistols.

[JCS]

In using both of the above options above, they do little to nothing in changing the triggers break weight and not much on the triggers reset either. They also do not fit the P365 pistols.

Have you tried them?

[Biggy]

Have you tried them?

Yes, I have used both of them.

[Hot Sauce]

I dont mind the factory slim one but I agree. The fact that no one has come up with one yet is interesting. Also I hope they update whatever they finish the trigger, slide release, mag release, and safeties in. I have managed to rust one pretty good this summer.

If they debut a more usable manual safety, at some point I'm probably gonna run out things to complain about.

[davisj]

According to Mike Glover on today’s Cleared Hot podcast this will be officially announced and possibly released on 8/8ish.

Soon…

[GJM]

We aren't thrilled with the accuracy we are seeing out of our Spectre Comp -- hoping that the slide on this new pistol doesn't have issues in that department.

[zaitcev]

Finally the standard rail. The proprietary rail of P365 was not a show-stopper for me. After all, I have a TLR-6 on G42. But it was an annoyance.

[S Jenks]

Sig’s P365 EDC Championship is Aug 3-6 at the Academy. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t shown then.

[D-der]

I've been really pleased with my PPM comped XL,
I think when they're available, I'll just pick up a
module / mag's and another JTTC.
Next question, will these fit in a JM 2.5 ?
Time will tell.

[Brianjkeene]

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/handguns/sig-sauer-p365-x-macro-9mm-luger-31in-nitron-pistol-171-rounds/p/1763257

Seems like this should become official today.

[JCN]

Don’t know if it’s been posted but there’s video now:


https://site-893080.bcvp0rtal.com/detail/videos/guns/video/6310709160112/running-the-new-sig-p365-xmacro-in-defensive-dills-stages

They said magazine is backward compatible.

So it means my 20 and 25 round ProMags will work if I wanted to use this as a Open lite gamer gun for EDC training.

I will probably use my comp’d XL slide on it for more barrel length than 3” though.

[Brianjkeene]

A couple more YouTube videos just went up too

[claymore504]

https://youtu.be/ja7eOygG5x0


https://youtu.be/ICkoQK34FbM

[Noah]

https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-xmacro.html?utm_campaign=P365_XMACRO&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

She's official.

[echo5charlie]

I picked up a 365 SAS Ported (yeah, I know) last month and was completely amazed at how well I shot it, for me the wonky bullseye sight seems to work well. For reference it was under $300 OTD, how could I not? Anyway...

I have also been on a slim/micro 9 craze and am glad I held off on grabbing a 365XL, I want to see how these stack up size-wise to my usual carry G19/48.

[RJ]

https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-xmacro.html?utm_campaign=P365_XMACRO&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

She's official.

Excellent.

Parts list to convert a P365X into one of these:

- One P365X-Macro Grip Module
- One P365X-Macro 17 round magazine
- One P365X-Macro Slide

I can re-use my P365X fcu in the new Grip Module, and insert my standard size barrel. Poof. I have a P365X-Macro.

Correct?

[HeavyDuty]

I’m hoping:

1) that a manual safety version will be offered, preferably with an appropriately larger safety lever
2) that a “normal” XL top end will drop onto the Macro frame; and
3) that Wilson offers one of their grip modules for the Macro.

I can see a Macro being a strong candidate for a G19 sized (but thinner) holster gun. I like my 365s more than I should.

[fly out]

Not being a close follower of the proliferation of P365 models, does anyone know if there is a reason why this cannot be released with the thumb safety?

[HCM]

Excellent.

Parts list to convert a P365X into one of these:

- One P365X-Macro Grip Module
- One P365X-Macro 17 round magazine
- One P365X-Macro Slide

I can re-use my P365X fcu in the new Grip Module, and insert my standard size barrel. Poof. I have a P365X-Macro.

Correct?

If you want to duplicate the factory offering.

You can use any P365XL length slide. You could also just add a threaded barrel and comp to a standard P365 slide.

[HCM]

Not being a close follower of the proliferation of P365 models, does anyone know if there is a reason why this cannot be released with the thumb safety?

Other than the cost of another mold for a thumb safety variant of the macro grip? No.

This is a standard P365 FCUs and slides.

Unless there is some issue with the width of the new grip, you should be able to cut a notch in the macro grip and drop in any P365 MS FCU as people have done with the P320 MS FCU and the AXG grips.

[fly out]

Good to know. For some reason, I was thinking that the 365XL was not available with a thumb safety, but in Googling one, I see it is.

I think I could be interested in an XMacro-MS.

[HCM]

I’m hoping:

1) that a manual safety version will be offered, preferably with an appropriately larger safety lever
2) that a “normal” XL top end will drop onto the Macro frame; and
3) that Wilson offers one of their grip modules for the Macro.

I can see a Macro being a strong candidate for a G19 sized (but thinner) holster gun. I like my 365s more than I should.

The macro uses standard 365 series FCU and any P365/P365XL slide will work.

It’s literally just a bigger grip and 365 series mag lengthened to take 17 rounds. The mag is cross compatible with all other P365 variants.

The question is, could one simply notch the macro frame for a 365 MS FCU or is is there thickness issues which would require a dedicated frame?

I don’t see Sig adding a larger manual safety lever. That would likely be a good product suggestion for the aftermarket.

[HCM]

Good to know. For some reason, I was thinking that the 365XL was not available with a thumb safety, but in Googling one, I see it is.

I think I could be interested in an XMacro-MS.

Even if it wasn’t, you could buy a regular 365MS, an XL slide, an XL grip frame and some Swiss files and make your own.

It’s a true modular handgun.

[GJM]

I really want to see someone shoot groups at 25 yards with this pistol, given our experience with the Spectre Comp.

I am leaning towards the Macro grip module, the new magazines and either the PMM/3.1/365X upper or a straight XL upper.

[JCN]

If you want to duplicate the factory offering.

You can use any P365XL length slide. You could also just add a threaded barrel and comp to a standard P365 slide.


I ordered one and plan on using an XL slide with a threaded AC comp on it.

I want more than a 3” barrel on a gun this size.


Good to know. For some reason, I was thinking that the 365XL was not available with a thumb safety, but in Googling one, I see it is.

I think I could be interested in an XMacro-MS.

When they first came out they weren’t available with MS


Even if it wasn’t, you could buy a regular 365MS, an XL slide, an XL grip frame and some Swiss files and make your own.

It’s a true modular handgun.

DREMEL, cough cough. :)

I moved my MS FCU to an XL when they first came out. 10 seconds with a grinding disc and clean up with a file.

I plan on doing it with this gun when I get it in.

I’ll make a gamer setup with the mcarbo titanium striker and 3# striker spring.

[JCN]

I really want to see someone shoot groups at 25 yards with this pistol, given our experience with the Spectre Comp.

I am leaning towards the Macro grip module, the new magazines and either the PMM/3.1/365X upper or a straight XL upper.

The front rail might interfere with a regular X slide and comp?

I’ll try and shoot some 25 yard rested groups when I get it in.

[HeavyDuty]

I don’t see Sig adding a larger manual safety lever. That would likely be a good product suggestion for the aftermarket.

I’ve spoken with several aftermarket suppliers, and they all passed on the concept because of complexity.

[psalms144.1]

Any reason one could not build this on an XL slide and FCU for a "XXL" without the questionable comp?

[HCM]

Any reason one could not build this on an XL slide and FCU for a "XXL" without the questionable comp?

As discussed up thread - no.

[D-der]

I'm thinking Wilson Combat will be offering the module
sooner or later, then add a few magazine's, an XL upper
with a PMM comp and I'd be pretty satisfied.
**Hopefully JM will offer holsters sooner than later!

[GJM]

I hope this causes Safariland to offer a RDS retention holster for the 365.

[JCS]

I know we all want the frame to be sold separately but why would sig release it anytime soon? Makes no sense from their standpoint because they won’t sell near as many macros.

[davisj]

Agree, and perhaps they’ll offer a 3.7 non-comped version. I’d buy that but not interested in a comped 3.1.

[GearFondler]

Grab-a-Gun has them for $799 in stock.

[GearFondler]

With the longer dust cover on the Macro it should be possible to have a captured Comp like PPM has been doing for a while which is worth 10 bonus tacti-cool points!

[G19Fan]

I know we all want the frame to be sold separately but why would sig release it anytime soon? Makes no sense from their standpoint because they won’t sell near as many macros.

Sig may or may not but the aftermarket can release frames...that will force sig to release theirs.

[G19Fan]

I’m hoping:

1) that a manual safety version will be offered, preferably with an appropriately larger safety lever
2) that a “normal” XL top end will drop onto the Macro frame; and
3) that Wilson offers one of their grip modules for the Macro.

I can see a Macro being a strong candidate for a G19 sized (but thinner) holster gun. I like my 365s more than I should.

I never thought I'd swap from a G19 to a P365XL but here we are pre macro

[RAM Engineer]

So I'm not going back and reading 8 pages of comments, but is this thing roughly G45 / G19X sized with integral ports? Looks like a tall grip and short barrel.

Does it use the standard P365 FCU?

[Brianjkeene]

A screen grab I was able to take. It’s a little taller than a 19 and a little shorter than a 17. That’s a 17 in the pic


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[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

A screen grab I was able to take. It’s a little taller than a 19 and a little shorter than a 17. That’s a 17 in the pic


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So they've essentially made their own 320 series obsolete, no?

[Brianjkeene]

So they've essentially made their own 320 series obsolete, no?

For a lot of shooters, they may have done just that. I don’t really like the 320 but I really like the 365 series after a WIlson grip. I don’t know how I feel about the durability of such a small (narrow) gun and it’s components but, outside of that, I don’t see much a need for a 320 over this. My full size guns are generally m2.0s and PDPs. However, with my EDC being a 365xl, I can see my full size gun work being done with this new Macro instead of my other full sizes. I just placed my order so I’ll find out my initial thoughts next week.

[fly out]

That’s a 17 in the pic



I was not expecting that. I was thinking it was going to be just shy of a 19. Thanks for the pic.

[RAM Engineer]

A screen grab I was able to take. It’s a little taller than a 19 and a little shorter than a 17. That’s a 17 in the pic


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Well, that pictured G17 has an add on mag guide/well. Without that, they’d be almost identical.

[ldunnmobile]

So they've essentially made their own 320 series obsolete, no?

No they are going to release the same mag tech in p320 so a full size p320 might hold 19-20 rds or more.

[evi1joe]

Yes it uses the 365 FCU.
It's interesting that the 17rd mag is actually shorter than the P365 15rd mag (they obviously updated the follower and spring design). I personally would have preferred a G19/48/43X height gun that held 15rds, but whatever.

For comparison, the G19 has a height of 5.02" and the MACRO, with 2 more rounds is 5.2" (the XL w/ 12rds is 4.8").
So the G19 is a bit shorter in height but is longer (7.25" vs 6.6"), chunkier and heavier (the G19 is 24.8 ounces vs the MACRO at 21.5 ounces--though the Humble Marksman said it was "less than 20 ounces empty"--a G19 is 22.05 ounces without the mag).
--
I have a MACRO incoming (799 shipped) and plan on putting the slide on my Wilson XL grip for carry IF this feels a bit big. Eventually, I'd love to have another one of these with a light for HD. Sadly, I just got a new XL and a new CR920 to compare, but I think both are gonna be sold. The CR920 DOES point insanely naturally for me, so I'm still on the fence about it.

[JCS]

A screen grab I was able to take. It’s a little taller than a 19 and a little shorter than a 17. That’s a 17 in the pic


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This is from the humble marksman video comparing the macro to a Glock 48.

If it is a Glock 17 length with a 3.1” barrel I’m much less bullish on it.

ETA: https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-xmacro.html

Height:
Macro 5.2”
365xl 4.8”
365 4.3”

[Brianjkeene]

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[GJM]

It is possible that the 17 round magazines turn out to be the best part of this introduction. Although knowing Sig, they will keep expanding the 365 family, and have attractive new uppers coming in the future.

[evi1joe]

Yeah. I can see a grip-sleeve and tons of 3D printed options being sold VERY soon for all of us XL grip module guys.

I think with the large-backstrap this is gonna feel good.
I DO wish they'd gone with a 15 or 16rd mag that didn't stick out quite this much.

[Brianjkeene]

I’m actually pretty excited for the slightly reshaped trigger guard.

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[G19Fan]

Yes it uses the 365 FCU.
It's interesting that the 17rd mag is actually shorter than the P365 15rd mag (they obviously updated the follower and spring design). I personally would have preferred a G19/48/43X height gun that held 15rds, but whatever.

For comparison, the G19 has a height of 5.02" and the MACRO, with 2 more rounds is 5.2" (the XL w/ 12rds is 4.8").
So the G19 is a bit shorter in height but is longer (7.25" vs 6.6"), chunkier and heavier (the G19 is 24.8 ounces vs the MACRO at 21.5 ounces--though the Humble Marksman said it was "less than 20 ounces empty"--a G19 is 22.05 ounces without the mag).
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I have a MACRO incoming (799 shipped) and plan on putting the slide on my Wilson XL grip for carry IF this feels a bit big. Eventually, I'd love to have another one of these with a light for HD. Sadly, I just got a new XL and a new CR920 to compare, but I think both are gonna be sold. The CR920 DOES point insanely naturally for me, so I'm still on the fence about it.

Curious what you decide. Love how my cr920 pointed. Hated the reliability

[4RNR]

Can't say I'm excited. The original 365/XL were ultimately too small for me. Like trying to grip the Noisy Cricket. Remember that one? And this looks better but I'd rather forgo the half ass comp and add a few more inches to the barrel.

Of course my curiosity will get the better of me and I'll rent one just to try it but so far for the micro compact double stack guns I find the best compromise between size, barrel length, grip thickness, and capacity to be the new Hellcat Pro

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[GJM]

Can't say I'm excited. The original 365/XL were ultimately too small for me. Like trying to grip the Noisy Cricket. Remember that one? And this looks better but I'd rather forgo the half ass comp and add a few more inches to the barrel.

Of course my curiosity will get the better of me and I'll rent one just to try it but so far for the micro compact double stack guns I find the best compromise between size, barrel length, grip thickness, and capacity to be the new Hellcat Pro

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After years of questioning them on 9mm pistols, I have found comps to allow the 365 and G19 to punch above their weight class, especially when dot equipped.

[Brianjkeene]

After years of questioning them on 9mm pistols, I have found comps to allow the 365 and G19 to punch above their weight class, especially when dot equipped.

Don’t remember is you have a PMM comp’d 365 and/or spectre comp. Which do you prefer?

[GJM]

Don’t remember is you have a PMM comp’d 365 and/or spectre comp. Which do you prefer?

Have both, prefer the PMM on the 365X over the Spectre. More recoil reduction and better accuracy with the PMM.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

After years of questioning them on 9mm pistols, I have found comps to allow the 365 and G19 to punch above their weight class, especially when dot equipped.

I've thought they were sort of superfluous for many years and never really strongly considered them on serious pistols not heavily tuned for competition. The new Afterburner/Ramjet combo will probably follow my home soon for my G19X but I must say I'm tempted to wait and see if they bring out P365 version in the near future as the next in the series. It would seem that might be the most popular behind the G19 models, so we'll see.

[JCN]

https://youtu.be/AfRqSQ3vH-0

Looks like TTI has +3 base pads to get to 20 if ProMag isn’t your thing!

More options for my goof around range version.

[Biggy]

https://youtu.be/AfRqSQ3vH-0

Looks like TTI has +3 base pads to get to 20 if ProMag isn’t your thing!

More options for my goof around range version.

So Taran estimates only around 15% less recoil / muzzle flip shooting the weapon light equipped Macro vs shooting the P365XL with no light, using the Winchester 124gr +P load. But he was loosing 70 FPS muzzle velocity from the factory comped Macro. Shooting standard pressure ammo you might only get a around a 10% recoil reduction. It doesn’t seem the factory slide comp is very efficient on the 3.1” barrel Macro. Also FYI, the Macro is .160” thinner in width than a Glock 26.

[GJM]

So Taran estimates only around 15% less recoil / muzzle flip shooting the weapon light equipped Macro vs shooting the P365XL with no light, using the Winchester 124gr +P load. But he was loosing 70 FPS muzzle velocity from the factory comped Macro. Shooting standard pressure ammo you might only get a around a 10% recoil reduction. It doesn’t seem the factory slide comp is very efficient on the 3.1” barrel Macro.

I think our Spectre Comp is closer to a stock barrel than to a PMM comp. That may make the Spectre function with lower power factor ammo. My bigger concern was the poor accuracy we observed with the Spectre Comp upper, compared to a regular 365/Xl/PMM barrel with our Spectre.

[Brianjkeene]

I think our Spectre Comp is closer to a stock barrel than to a PMM comp. That may make the Spectre function with lower power factor ammo. My bigger concern was the poor accuracy we observed with the Spectre Comp upper, compared to a regular 365/Xl/PMM barrel with our Spectre.

Have you experienced any issues with the PMM setup? I have a Macro inbound but would consider selling off the top end to fund an XL slide with a PMM comp. I would really want it to run 115 range ammo though and still be noticeably effective...asking a lot but I am considering trying it.

[GJM]

Have you experienced any issues with the PMM setup? I have a Macro inbound but would consider selling off the top end to fund an XL slide with a PMM comp. I would really want it to run 115 range ammo though and still be noticeably effective...asking a lot but I am considering trying it.

I don't have any experience with a PMM XL length barrel/comp. With the 365 length PMM barrel/comp, I get the sense that 115 range ammo is on the edge of reliability, depending upon power factor. I carry Gold Dot 124+P in my 365X/PMM. 115 AE has functioned, but it not low power factor 115.

The 365XL/PMM seems like an appropriate match to the Macro lower.

[D-der]

I can't speak to the Spectra comp set up but, from what I've
learned so far, I'd have to say I have no interest in buying one.
My PMM set up has been 100% reliable, to me...the barrel is
at least as accurate as Sig's and the comp works.
I guess I clean my carry gun more than some but, an extra
.5" in length and no barrel removal is a little bit of a pain in the
ass but no big deal given the velocity and shot cycle benefit's.
Given the 365's option's / modularity (if that's a word) and at
least, in my case reliability, I'd think it's hard to not buy / build
a pistol that could mostly satisfy almost anybody.

[JCN]

Have you experienced any issues with the PMM setup? I have a Macro inbound but would consider selling off the top end to fund an XL slide with a PMM comp. I would really want it to run 115 range ammo though and still be noticeably effective...asking a lot but I am considering trying it.

You didn’t ask me, so if you’d rather not hear it from me I understand.

I have a PMM comp and the AC comp works better and has a longer, very accurate barrel (True Precision).

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1” paster.

I’m currently running an XL slide with a True barrel and AC comp.


https://youtu.be/SyAcBoybJ8c

I plan on putting that on the Macro lower.

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[Brianjkeene]

You didn’t ask me, so if you’d rather not hear it from me I understand.

I have a PMM comp and the AC comp works better and has a longer, very accurate barrel (True Precision).

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1” paster.

I’m currently running an XL slide with a True barrel and AC comp.


https://youtu.be/SyAcBoybJ8c

I plan on putting that on the Macro lower.

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Definitely appreciate your input as well! You've done more experimenting that likely everyone on this platform so very much appreciated!

[Biggy]

From past experience, it’s easy to make a little concealable pistol not so concealable anymore if you are not careful. 🙀😂

[Brianjkeene]

From past experience, it’s easy to make a little concealable pistol not so concealable anymore if you are not careful. 🙀😂


Thats exactly what I'm trying to do :cool:

[GearFondler]

From past experience, it’s easy to make a little concealable pistol not so concealable anymore if you are not careful. [emoji79][emoji23]Are you looking at my Roland Special!?

[awp_101]

Review: 17+1 Optics Ready SIG P365 XMACRO Comp (https://www.guns.com/reviews/review-sig-p365-xmacro-comp)

[Kyle Reese]

Ordering one as soon as they drop for individual LE sales on Proven Outfitters.


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[Up1911Fan]

Ordering one as soon as they drop for individual LE sales on Proven Outfitters.


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Probably the same, but most likely going to wait for a standard slide.

[Biggy]

The Macro’s grip frame seems pretty similar to my Sig P322’s grip frame. I know that the two pistols mags and mag base plates are completely different, but on my P322 pistol there is no place where you can get your fingers on the mags should they somehow become stuck or jammed in the gun. You would have to push down from the top of the mag. Does anyone know if the Macro’s grip fame has places where you can place your fingers to get a hold of the mag and rip it out should it somehow become stuck in the pistol. Not that big a deal *for me*on a .22 pistol but absolutely necessary *for me* on a self defense pistol.

[GearFondler]

The Macro’s grip frame seems pretty similar to my Sig P322’s grip frame. I know that the two pistols mags and mag base plates are completely different, but on my P322 pistol there is no place where you can get your fingers on the mags should they somehow become stuck or jammed in the gun. You would have to push down from the top of the mag. Does anyone know if the Macro’s grip fame has places where you can place your fingers to get a hold of the mag and rip it out should it somehow become stuck in the pistol. Not that big a deal *for me*on a .22 pistol but absolutely necessary *for me* on a self defense pistol.Looks to me like ripping out the mag should be reasonably easy with that full circumference mag base chamfer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220813/bc12895638d59658bf4fe6fcb326a499.jpg

[Biggy]

Looks to me like ripping out the mag should be reasonably easy with that full circumference mag base chamfer. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220813/bc12895638d59658bf4fe6fcb326a499.jpg

Yes, if the mags are not stuck in too tight that chamfer might be enough.

[GearFondler]

Yes, if the mags are not stuck in too tight that chamfer might be enough.If you don't mind modding you could easily Dremel half-moons on each grip panel or stipple the mag bases.

[JCN]

Yes, if the mags are not stuck in too tight that chamfer might be enough.

Sometimes a little strip of skateboard tape on the side of the base pad can help too.

[Brianjkeene]

Someone posted this elsewhere. I can see the XL slide, PMM comp, and full size EPS being fun


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[cornstalker]

I was at the LGS today. They got two in. One was gone and the other had a guy standing there to buy it. I never got to look at it.

[GearFondler]

Someone posted this elsewhere. I can see the XL slide, PMM comp, and full size EPS being fun


92937That's the full size EPS? It might be easy to shoot but it looks ridiculous.

[Brianjkeene]

That's the full size EPS? It might be easy to shoot but it looks ridiculous.

No, thats a 508t in an adapter plate. I’m saying a full size EPS instead of this and along with the PMM would be nice

[GearFondler]

No, thats a 508t in an adapter plate. I’m saying a full size EPS instead of this and along with the PMM would be niceI don't disagree as I love me a carry comp but I think I'd prefer the standard slide with the PMM fully captured by that extended rail... That should look pretty good which is always important. ;)

[HeavyDuty]

I’m not sure if I’m the target market for this, given that it’s taller than a G19 - but a Macro magazine with sleeve will make a great reload for my XL or even P365. I’ll reserve judgement on the actual pistol dimensions until I’ve handled one, and would wait until a MS version and Wilson grip module support was available anyways - if that happens and it works for me I’d almost certainly pick up a grip module and magazines.

[G19Fan]

If anyone is interested I get my macro in next week but may sell the grip module if I cannot conceal it

[Brianjkeene]

If anyone is interested I get my macro in next week but may sell the grip module if I cannot conceal it

Dibbs!

[G19Fan]

Dibbs!

Deal let me fire it a few times and see if I can conceal it. If I can I will keep it otherwise happy to sell it to you

[Brianjkeene]

Deal let me fire it a few times and see if I can conceal it. If I can I will keep it otherwise happy to sell it to you

Awesome. Let me know. In realty, I hope you love it tho lol. Btw, are you in DFW?

[G19Fan]

Awesome. Let me know. In realty, I hope you love it tho lol. Btw, are you in DFW?

I am no, I am in Austin

[Brianjkeene]

I am no, I am in Austin

Cool. For some reason I was thinking you were up here. Either way, look forward to your impressions.

[evi1joe]

Trigger pulls at 4.5# at the bottom of the trigger (have video). I tried 3 guns in the store, and the other two had a little stacking in that little space between the "wall" and the break.
The mag-springs must be super strong because I can't close it on an empty mag with my thumb (but it's super easy with no mag & easy with a round in the mag).
The OEM sights are barely visible--I really wish they were high enough to see 3/4th to the full-depth of the rear notch. My hope is that the aftermarket will finally come out with 365 "optic height" sights that aren't too short or too tall, and that someone will come out with a non-LCI notched barrel that might help reduce smoking up the lens.
I was surprised how small the grip is...I was expecting it to be a bit longer. The backstraps really let you find a nice sweet spot for space for your support hand.

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[HeavyDuty]

Trigger pulls at 4.5# at the bottom of the trigger (have video). I tried 3 guns in the store, and the other two had a little stacking in that little space between the "wall" and the break.
The mag-springs must be super strong because I can't close it on an empty mag with my thumb (but it's super easy with no mag & easy with a round in the mag).
The OEM sights are barely visible--I really wish they were high enough to see 3/4th to the full-depth of the rear notch. My hope is that the aftermarket will finally come out with 365 "optic height" sights that aren't too short or too tall, and that someone will come out with a non-LCI notched barrel that might help reduce smoking up the lens.
I was surprised how small the grip is...I was expecting it to be a bit longer. The backstraps really let you find a nice sweet spot for space for your support hand.

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Could you possibly do a side by side comparison pic between the WC XL grip module and the new Macro? Thanks!

[evi1joe]

Sure.
I'll post one up when I get back--it may be awhile.

But these two pics of the XL grip vs the X-Macro may help for now:

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[Brianjkeene]

Could you possibly do a side by side comparison pic between the WC XL grip module and the new Macro? Thanks!

Found these online.
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[octagon]

Two things extractor and LCI related. I don't understand why all or most manufacturers don't use the pivoting type extractor design. It allows for lower optic mounting,can work as a loaded chamber indicator and uses one less part than the Glock plunger type extractor. This is even more important now that optics are so standard since lower optic mounting and no notched barrel LCI allowing debris to get on the optic lens and LCI being required in some locales. It seems like a no brainer. It shouldn't be too hard to add or subtract a little material on the extractor or slide to allow the extractor to act as a LCI and a better one at that since it is functional without looking at the gun in total darkness.

[Up1911Fan]

Trigger pulls at 4.5# at the bottom of the trigger (have video). I tried 3 guns in the store, and the other two had a little stacking in that little space between the "wall" and the break.
The mag-springs must be super strong because I can't close it on an empty mag with my thumb (but it's super easy with no mag & easy with a round in the mag).
The OEM sights are barely visible--I really wish they were high enough to see 3/4th to the full-depth of the rear notch. My hope is that the aftermarket will finally come out with 365 "optic height" sights that aren't too short or too tall, and that someone will come out with a non-LCI notched barrel that might help reduce smoking up the lens.
I was surprised how small the grip is...I was expecting it to be a bit longer. The backstraps really let you find a nice sweet spot for space for your support hand.

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Is that the 12 or 15 round mag on the right next to the 17 rounder? I'd like to see the 15 and 17 side by side if you happen to have both.

[G19Fan]

Is that the 12 or 15 round mag on the right next to the 17 rounder? I'd like to see the 15 and 17 side by side if you happen to have both.

That is a 12

[G19Fan]

Anyone know the best place to get a complete p365xl slide?

[Up1911Fan]

Anyone know the best place to get a complete p365xl slide?

I've bought two off of ebay.

[G19Fan]

I've bought two off of ebay.

Thanks

[Up1911Fan]

Thanks

NP. Sent you a PM.

[HeavyDuty]

Sure.
I'll post one up when I get back--it may be awhile.

But these two pics of the XL grip vs the X-Macro may help for now:

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Found these online.
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Thanks - these help!

[D-der]

Anyone know the best place to get a complete p365xl slide?

Look around, they're out there, I picked up a take off on another forum for a no brainer price knowing I'm gonna build something as time goes on, just got to run into an FCU now.

[G19Fan]

Look around, they're out there, I picked up a take off on another forum for a no brainer price knowing I'm gonna build something as time goes on, just got to run into an FCU now.

Nice thanks!

[D-der]

Nice thanks!

Check your IM

[Polecat]

Just picked mine up, you bunch of enablers! The grip seals the deal. Just enough, and the backstraps are brilliant, as it add little but offers alot if that makes sense. Sig just hit the magic formula for printing money. I hope they consider upgrading the other grips in similar fashion as it transforms the gun.

[G19Fan]

Just picked mine up, you bunch of enablers! The grip seals the deal. Just enough, and the backstraps are brilliant, as it add little but offers alot if that makes sense. Sig just hit the magic formula for printing money. I hope they consider upgrading the other grips in similar fashion as it transforms the gun.


Happy to hear the grip is awesome!

[breakingtime91]

Can't wait to get mine and add a thumb safety

[GJM]

Sure.
I'll post one up when I get back--it may be awhile.

But these two pics of the XL grip vs the X-Macro may help for now:

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It is interesting how the mag base plate on the Macro sticks out like a Glock magazine.



Can't wait to get mine and add a thumb safety

In learning to shoot my 2011 Open gun, which has a very light trigger, I have had to develop a specific method as to when to disengage the thumb safety, and that is quite far along in the presentation -- when my support hand is on the pistol, the muzzle is level, and I am finishing my extension onto the target. How are folks manipulating the thumb safety on the 365?

[breakingtime91]

It is interesting how the mag base plate on the Macro sticks out like a Glock magazine.




In learning to shoot my 2011 Open gun, which has a very light trigger, I have had to develop a specific method as to when to disengage the thumb safety, and that is quite far along in the presentation -- when my support hand is on the pistol, the muzzle is level, and I am finishing my extension onto the target. How are folks manipulating the thumb safety on the 365?

Sights on target safety off, sights off, safety on. I treat it like a 1911. After some use it works fine

[Polecat]

Looking at it side by side with my P365, the grip is a smidge wider maybe 4-5mm! I think they need to offer this in all th current sizes, also do a 15 round for the mew macro.

While I am bitching and complaining, how biut a p365 .22!

[G19Fan]

Looking at it side by side with my P365, the grip is a smidge wider maybe 4-5mm! I think they need to offer this in all th current sizes, also do a 15 round for the mew macro.

While I am bitching and complaining, how biut a p365 .22!

Wonder if they are doing a 15 round for the new macro. Seems like current 15 rounders are all hard to fine for the xl

[Brianjkeene]

Just picked mine up, you bunch of enablers! The grip seals the deal. Just enough, and the backstraps are brilliant, as it add little but offers alot if that makes sense. Sig just hit the magic formula for printing money. I hope they consider upgrading the other grips in similar fashion as it transforms the gun.

I feel like they kinda have to upgrade the other modules for holster comparability.

[G19Fan]

I feel like they kinda have to upgrade the other modules for holster comparability.

Agreed it only makes sense. Though if I was the aftermarket I would make frames that could use the mags but use p365 and p365xl holsters

[GJM]

Sights on target safety off, sights off, safety on. I treat it like a 1911. After some use it works fine

I have heard others say they only use the thumb safety to holster, then disengage it. An extended 1911/2011 safety is pretty easy to disengage, how does the 365 thumb safety compare?

[breakingtime91]

I have heard others say they only use the thumb safety to holster, then disengage it. An extended 1911/2011 safety is pretty easy to disengage, how does the 365 thumb safety compare?

It is thinner but I don't notice that in use. Compared to a shield it's way closer to a 1911 safety. Compared to a Wilson normal safety it's a little worst completely usable. I'm at the point that I never notice engaging or disengaging it while shooting.

[G19Fan]

Look around, they're out there, I picked up a take off on another forum for a no brainer price knowing I'm gonna build something as time goes on, just got to run into an FCU now.

My brother may or may not have a brand new spare fcu. Can ask if interested

[GJM]

My brother may or may not have a brand new spare fcu. Can ask if interested

Sig FCU's are like Aimpoint micros and Glock 19 slides, no matter how many you have, you can always find a reason for a few more. When I was buying a few extra 320 Custom Works FCU's, I ended getting two 365 ones by mistake. Of course they are now in use, in some extra 365 grip modules we had around.

[spyderco monkey]

Someone posted this elsewhere. I can see the XL slide, PMM comp, and full size EPS being fun


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TFB had this very interesting setup posted a few days ago, which is also a cool setup along similar lines.

More then anything, this setup has made the P365 tempting:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/08/11/icarus-precision-ace-365-xl-evo-pmm-evo-grip-modules/

Icarus Precision has introduced the ACE 365 EVO series of SIG P365 grip modules. The new EVO series currently includes two grip modules – ACE 365 XL EVO and ACE 365 PMM EVO. The XL EVO grip module has a dust cover flush fitting the length of a SIG P365 XL slide. The PMM EVO is designed to fit flush an XL length slide and PMM Gen 2 Micro JTTC compensator combo.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Icarus-Precision-ACE-365-PMM-EVO-2.jpg

[G19Fan]

Sig FCU's are like Aimpoint micros and Glock 19 slides, no matter how many you have, you can always find a reason for a few more. When I was buying a few extra 320 Custom Works FCU's, I ended getting two 365 ones by mistake. Of course they are now in use, in some extra 365 grip modules we had around.

This is so true.

[JCN]

I have heard others say they only use the thumb safety to holster, then disengage it. An extended 1911/2011 safety is pretty easy to disengage, how does the 365 thumb safety compare?

Again, just trying to help and no snark.

I made this video for HeavyDuty a few months ago.


https://youtu.be/JfvBDnlshDM

That’s with a very broken in manual safety. It uses a detent on a spring kind of like a 1911.

It can be a little stiff initially. Some people grind the spring down a little (1-2 coils is usually enough).

I didn’t, but it certainly is reasonable to do.

I’m under the impression that some people use the safety like a Gadget and only use it for reholstering, otherwise treating it like a normal striker fired gun.

I think the most widely accepted use is like breakingtime91 does. Kind of like an AR.

I kind of hybrid it a little and disengage the safety after I clear the holster and am safely pointed away from my body kind of nearing the compressed low ready. My thought being that my finger isn’t near the trigger just like any other single action gun I would run around on a stage with, so I’m comfortable disengaging the safety after it’s not pointed at me.

[D-der]

My brother may or may not have a brand new spare fcu. Can ask if interested

I am, appreciate it!

[HeavyDuty]

Sights on target safety off, sights off, safety on. I treat it like a 1911. After some use it works fine

This is what I do, too. I’ve even considered chopping the offside safety levers to match my other safety equipped guns.

[RAM Engineer]

If this grip is longer than a G19, I'm not interested. That goes for any modern polymer gun. G19 is the *maximum* size gold-standard. That's why the original M&P lineup was so disappointing.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

If this grip is longer than a G19, I'm not interested. That goes for any modern polymer gun. G19 is the *maximum* size gold-standard. That's why the original M&P lineup was so disappointing.

Gotta say I agree here, these obnoxiously long frames are basically just like manufacturers dick measuring contests to see who can claim to have the most onboard rounds with flush fit magazines. It's designed with hype in mind, not functionality.

[RAM Engineer]

Gotta say I agree here, these obnoxiously long frames are basically just like manufacturers dick measuring contests to see who can claim to have the most onboard rounds with flush fit magazines. It's designed with hype in mind, not functionality.

I *will* caveat my own statement now by saying that I will allow a longer grip for the following circumstances:
1. Uniform (LEO/MIL) open carry
2. Cold Weather/Gloved use
3. Competition use (made to fit in a box)

None of those ever apply to me, or for probably 85% of pistol buyers, so these giraffe guns are not appealing.

[D-der]

While I certainly expect to pick up a module and magazine's,
I'm thinking the Macro will be somewhere between my M&P
2.0 C and P10C in grip length, both of which work well but
I have no expectation of a Macro taking the place of an XL
for daily carry, mine seems to hit the sweet spot for me.

[RAM Engineer]

#GiraffeGuns

Let’s make this happen! 🤣

[JCN]

This is what I do, too. I’ve even considered chopping the offside safety levers to match my other safety equipped guns.

I’ve gone the other way and sent my EDC X9s to get ambi safeties put on just in case of weak handed manipulation / draws / presentation.

As someone who had a right wrist injury, I really appreciated the ability to use a lefty friendly safety.

[JCN]

I changed my mind and canceled my Macro order…

[breakingtime91]

Sig FCU's are like Aimpoint micros and Glock 19 slides, no matter how many you have, you can always find a reason for a few more. When I was buying a few extra 320 Custom Works FCU's, I ended getting two 365 ones by mistake. Of course they are now in use, in some extra 365 grip modules we had around.


#GiraffeGuns

Let’s make this happen! 🤣


I changed my mind and canceled my Macro order…

Why is that

[Polecat]

I hope the offer updated grip frames across the line, a flat 15 round with backstraps, and bit of palmswell!

[parishioner]

Wilson is doing some market research over on IG.

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[HCM]

If this grip is longer than a G19, I'm not interested. That goes for any modern polymer gun. G19 is the *maximum* size gold-standard. That's why the original M&P lineup was so disappointing.


Gotta say I agree here, these obnoxiously long frames are basically just like manufacturers dick measuring contests to see who can claim to have the most onboard rounds with flush fit magazines. It's designed with hype in mind, not functionality.


I *will* caveat my own statement now by saying that I will allow a longer grip for the following circumstances:
1. Uniform (LEO/MIL) open carry
2. Cold Weather/Gloved use
3. Competition use (made to fit in a box)

None of those ever apply to me, or for probably 85% of pistol buyers, so these giraffe guns are not appealing.

G19 may be "The Gold Standard" for people with small to medium sized hands.

For myself, with XXL hands a G19 leaves my pinky hanging off without a magwell or mag extension.

The pinky is the strongest part of the grip (has the most leverage) and plays a SIGNIFICANT role in shooting effectively in terms of both speed and accuracy. So no pinky engagement is unacceptable for me.

While I'm biased by my hand size, both my agency and others have conducted testing involving a broad spectrum of people / hand sizes and found (no surprise) that there was a notable difference in performance with service length (G17/45) length grips vs compact (G19) length grips. Despite being a plainclothes agency, we would up with a SIG Carry (G45) sized pistol instead of the compact (G19 sized) pistol we originally intended to adopt based on the performance delta between them among non-dedicated shooters.

[JCN]

Wilson is doing some market research over on IG.

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So the good news for people already invested in the P365 platform, that a WC grip module plus a magazine would basically be a $150 solution instead of a $800 gun.

I currently have some ProMag 20 round bodies with CZ shadow 2 followers in them that work 100%. They have long bodies and would work in a Macro length grip.

There’s a company that makes space filling extensions to use a 10 round mag in an XL… wonder if you could put that on a 12 round mag to fit a macro body until Sig makes the Macro mags available.

[GJM]

Lego guns are great for consumers and also manufacturers. Think of internet wars fought over whether Glock should introduce a 17 with a 19 grip, or a 19 with a 17 grip. With modular designs, you can have exactly what you want, and the manufacturers and accessory makers sell a lot more hardware.

[Polecat]

Just shot mine today. Very soft shooting compared to my SAS. The gold spectre comp controls weren’t doin it for me. In looking at the grip, it is about 4-5mm wider. They did a nice job overall. Wish the offer the older SAS pots with real sights. Not quit sold on the SAS sights, at least the rear mounted ones. The front sight one seem brighter as it has light entering on all side and the top.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

G19 may be "The Gold Standard" for people with small to medium sized hands.

For myself, with XXL hands a G19 leaves my pinky hanging off without a magwell or mag extension.

The pinky is the strongest part of the grip (has the most leverage) and plays a SIGNIFICANT role in shooting effectively in terms of both speed and accuracy. So no pinky engagement is unacceptable for me.

While I'm biased by my hand size, both my agency and others have conducted testing involving a broad spectrum of people / hand sizes and found (no surprise) that there was a notable difference in performance with service length (G17/45) length grips vs compact (G19) length grips. Despite being a plainclothes agency, we would up with a SIG Carry (G45) sized pistol instead of the compact (G19 sized) pistol we originally intended to adopt based on the performance delta between them among non-dedicated shooters.

That's definitely worth noting being an improvement for folks with larger hands but the problem I see is that if they do not give the minimum G19 size to the 'other half' of the population then they give up concealment. It's much easier to throw in a Magwell to get the extra length than it is to chop frames and such. Think about these smaller folks if they want to add a magwell, they'd have to be crazy if they're going to conceal it.