Aimpoint ACRO P-2

[ssb]

Zeroed the sight today at 10yds, confirmed at 25. No issues as expected

I use a Grey Guns guide rod and a 15lb 1911 spring in my pistol, which I find smooths out the recoil impulse of the 4.7” gun quite a bit. The ACRO did not detract from that smoothness, thankfully. I remember my P1/Glock combo being pogo stick like. Shot a Super Test and a few normal Tests with no change in scores/times from what’s normal for me, so the optic isn’t hurting anything (I was previously using a Romeo 1 Pro which has a much larger window).

I did order a 4.7” stainless slide from SIG today, which I plan to send to ATEI.

[TCB]

Mine showed up today…won’t get a chance to get to the range with it until next week. Looks good though. 86832

[CleverNickname]

Mine showed up today…won’t get a chance to get to the range with it until next week. Looks good though. 86832
How is that magwell? It's the Glock factory one, right?

[TCB]

I don’t think I’d be comfortable using it at work as a hard fall onto it could dislodge it and make it tough to drop a magazine (it’d be fairly easy to just tear it off if need be in an emergency though) . But other than that it works great as a magwell and is very inexpensive.

[Unobtanium]

I searched this thread for "Loctite", "Helicoil", and "loose". Nothing really got any sensible hits in relation to this.

How is the P2 retained? I am wanting to potentially run one on my gauge, and it has shot everything loose that isn't loctited down, pretty much. Does the P2 have a helicoil? Is loctite the way? How does this thing stay on the gun (It will be mounted to an ADM ACRO mount and that onto the 1913 rail, but it must stay on the ADM...)?

[RAM Engineer]

Mine showed up today…won’t get a chance to get to the range with it until next week. Looks good though.

Are those sights visible through the Aimpoint? If so, which ones are they, or what are their dimensions?

[TCB]

They’re the Ameriglo GL-429 set (.315 front / .394 rear) that Wayne Dobbs recommend in the original ACRO thread. They come up just high enough in the window to be useable but are mainly out of the way. I put a small amount of Hi-Vis green paint on the tip of the front for a bit more visibility but not sure it’s really needed…just experimenting with it now.

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Paid for my P-2s 2021-05-25, finally got them 2022-04-01. What a wait.

The brightest setting seems noticeably brighter than my revised P-1. Same thing with the default brightness for when you first turn the optic on, guess it's an across the board change? Hopefully that doesn't apply for the NVG mode. I've ran my P-1 on the second brightest setting by default, for the P-2 I'm on the third brightest.

[TCB]

Yea, I was messing around with mine out in the yard today (AZ full value sunlight). 10 is a ball of fire even in those conditions, 9 is very bright and makes the dot super quick to pick up even aimed in on a white reflective surface at 2-3 yards but is too much indoors, I think 8 (one up from on) will be a good setting for duty use. Gonna need to experiment with my 1000 lumen X300U for a good nighttime setting.

[runngun]

They’re the Ameriglo GL-429 set (.315 front / .394 rear) that Wayne Dobbs recommend in the original ACRO thread. They come up just high enough in the window to be useable but are mainly out of the way. I put a small amount of Hi-Vis green paint on the tip of the front for a bit more visibility but not sure it’s really needed…just experimenting with it now.

This height is the way to go for ACRO-MOS combo. I'm using the TTI Ultimate Fiber Optic Sights Set for Glock with Optic Cut (RMR Co-Witness Height Specs-front sight is .315" tall, rear is .317" tall) Note that these are NOT the MOS version, which are higher than needed with the P2. The front fiber appears fully visible at the very bottom of the window.

[GJM]

This height is the way to go for ACRO-MOS combo. I'm using the TTI Ultimate Fiber Optic Sights Set for Glock with Optic Cut (RMR Co-Witness Height Specs-front sight is .315" tall, rear is .317" tall) Note that these are NOT the MOS version, which are higher than needed with the P2. The front fiber appears fully visible at the very bottom of the window.

Perhaps a .315 front for a MOS with plate, but direct milled I like the CHPWS lower height BUIS with, I believe, a .285 front.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Paid for my P-2s 2021-05-25, finally got them 2022-04-01. What a wait.


I think my order went in a day or two later; regardless, mine also arrived today.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Sorry, missed grabbing this for my post.


I searched this thread for "Loctite", "Helicoil", and "loose". Nothing really got any sensible hits in relation to this.

How is the P2 retained? I am wanting to potentially run one on my gauge, and it has shot everything loose that isn't loctited down, pretty much. Does the P2 have a helicoil? Is loctite the way? How does this thing stay on the gun (It will be mounted to an ADM ACRO mount and that onto the 1913 rail, but it must stay on the ADM...)?

I wouldn't use a P2 on a shotgun. I'd look for used, older T1s, H1s for that role. They're set up for a base that will mount to a Pic rail. The P1/P2 needs a specific mount that is neither Pic nor Weaver in design.

[Unobtanium]

Sorry, missed grabbing this for my post.



I wouldn't use a P2 on a shotgun. I'd look for used, older T1s, H1s for that role. They're set up for a base that will mount to a Pic rail. The P1/P2 needs a specific mount that is neither Pic nor Weaver in design.

Im using ADM QD mounts on a 1913 receiver rail. ADM makes one for T series and ACRO, so its same same.

[Nephrology]

Mine got here on Monday. I like it.

https://i.imgur.com/ELg5a2q.jpg

[GearFondler]

Mine got here on Monday. I like it.

TLDR... Please summarize.

[Nephrology]

TLDR... Please summarize.

Lol. It basically is like the OG Acro but maybe a little brighter (difference is not very pronounced IMO, but as others have said the max setting on P-1 is approx same intensity as 2nd to max setting on P2.

Window seems a little chunkier/thicker. Glass quality to my eyes is not different vs P-1. Battery life assuming will be longer. I do like the new buttons more.

[newyork]

Want!

[rathos]

And cheaper than the police discount. I honestly waited to post this until it got here because I was half worried it was a scam.

https://www.lcaction.com/aimpoint-acro-p2-200691-red-dot-sight-glock-mount-plate-200520

My initial impressions are it seems really small, including the window. I am using a 509T on my P DUO and this is going on my C2 duo when the plate gets here from Dawson Precision. I am curious how it will handle. Hopefully I can get to the range soon.

[CleverNickname]

Anyone's still looking for one in stock, this place seems legit and is saying they have one left for sale: https://www.monadnockfirearms.com/products/aimpoint-7350004386567-5418

(It was two left until I just bought one.)

[Sero Sed Serio]

Anyone's still looking for one in stock, this place seems legit and is saying they have one left for sale: https://www.monadnockfirearms.com/products/aimpoint-7350004386567-5418

(It was two left until I just bought one.)

Not anymore.

Thanks for the tip!

[Biggy]

Got my Acro shipping notice today from Eurooptic. 🙀🙀😁😁

[Sero Sed Serio]

Got my Acro shipping notice today from Eurooptic. 🙀🙀😁😁

Me, too. I had completely forgotten that I had placed an order with them--I thought it was just waitlist. Oops!


Anyone's still looking for one in stock, this place seems legit and is saying they have one left for sale: https://www.monadnockfirearms.com/products/aimpoint-7350004386567-5418

(It was two left until I just bought one.)

Monadnock was incredibly helpful in cancelling my accidental double-order. The optic I had purchased should be back in the queue, and someone here should buy with confidence from a company that went above and beyond to help me fix my screw up, even when it ended up losing them a sale.

[dontshakepandas]

Me, too. I had completely forgotten that I had placed an order with them--I thought it was just waitlist. Oops!



Monadnock was incredibly helpful in cancelling my accidental double-order. The optic I had purchased should be back in the queue, and someone here should buy with confidence from a company that went above and beyond to help me fix my screw up, even when it ended up losing them a sale.

Thanks. I just managed to snag one.

[TCB]

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95 3x freestyle, 82 2x strong hand & 75 1x support hand. All from 25 yards unsupported. Zero’d at 15 yards w 147gr Ranger with a 98 5x.

I’m very happy with the results…all the shooting was done at a pace a little faster than I probably should have gone. The 1 miss ea on bothe the R & L hand runs were just off the B-8.

I zeroed at level 7 and did all the shooting at level 8. It was a cloudless sky at midday in full value AZ sunlight (although a little hazy with dust). Level 8 is very easy to pick up under those conditions.

[Blackbag]

My ACRO P2 arrived yesterday from Euro optic!

[DpdG]

Got the first one from Strohman yesterday (ordered late June), second (ordered late August) due for delivery today. Mounted the first but haven't gotten to zero it yet. 87110

[Biggy]

Just got mine today.

https://i.imgur.com/PUSOzufh.mp4

[Biggy]

Got the first one from Strohman yesterday (ordered late June), second (ordered late August) due for delivery today. Mounted the first but haven't gotten to zero it yet. 87110


What slide are you using and is it ACRO cut for a direct mount ?

[DpdG]

What slide are you using and is it ACRO cut for a direct mount ?

19x slide cut by Maple Leaf for direct mount.

[rathos]

Just wanted to let every one know of the disappointment I ran into today. I got my DPO plate from dawson ( I was told by Staccato support it would work, should have called dawson directly) and tried to install it. The side screw latch does not sit flat as the cuts in the DPO plate are very shallow. It seems glock plates are not affected, but it will not sit flush on the DPO plate for the Staccato. Trying to figure out what I want to do as the optic seems great, and I am not sure if it will break by having it not sit flush. Might have to move it to a glock, but I don't shoot those very often any more.

[dontshakepandas]

Just wanted to let every one know of the disappointment I ran into today. I got my DPO plate from dawson ( I was told by Staccato support it would work, should have called dawson directly) and tried to install it. The side screw latch does not sit flat as the cuts in the DPO plate are very shallow. It seems glock plates are not affected, but it will not sit flush on the DPO plate for the Staccato. Trying to figure out what I want to do as the optic seems great, and I am not sure if it will break by having it not sit flush. Might have to move it to a glock, but I don't shoot those very often any more.

You could try the chpws plate since it seems to be in stock.

https://chpws.com/product/staccato-duoacro-optics-adapter-plate/

I'd probably call Dawson and see what they say though. They've been very helpful every time I've talked to them.

[newyork]

How is it carrying one of these mounted on a g19? Make it tough to conceal or not much of a change compared to an rmr?

[rathos]

Not sure I would ever use a CHPWS plate again. The first one I used of theirs for a 509T was a piece of shit and wouldn't stay on. Not only that but I had to get my front sight changed out and the gunsmith I used ended up jacking that up and I was without my gun for 3 months why they sent it back to Staccato.

As for Dawson, I did call them and after I was berated and told their plate was only for an Acro P1 and no one should have told me different (guess I should have been more clear it was staccato...) the only thing he offered was to setup a return.

I am going to try and see if I can get an acro P1 locking gate and see if that works on the P2 as the P1 locking gate should fit the DPO plate.


You could try the chpws plate since it seems to be in stock.

https://chpws.com/product/staccato-duoacro-optics-adapter-plate/

I'd probably call Dawson and see what they say though. They've been very helpful every time I've talked to them.

[rayrevolver]

I have a used Staccato Acro plate from CHPWS. Figured I would post here first before it went to the EE. Send me an IM.

[1Rangemaster]

How is it carrying one of these mounted on a g19? Make it tough to conceal or not much of a change compared to an rmr?

newyork: I’ve had an ACRO-P1 first, now P2-on a GEN5 19MOS for years now. Usually rides in a JMCK IWB which I can’t say enough good things about. I’m big and a bit bulky, so I don’t work w/AIWB. I think it’s concealable FOR me at about 4 o’clock. YMMV.
Plenty of folks are concerned with the mailbox shape; it tucks in fine, again, for me. The enclosed emitters are the way to go I believe…

[newyork]

I use a JM aiwb 2.5. Little dude lol. 5’ 10” 165. Rmr on my m&P is no issue at all.

[CDFIII]

Just wanted to let every one know of the disappointment I ran into today. I got my DPO plate from dawson ( I was told by Staccato support it would work, should have called dawson directly) and tried to install it. The side screw latch does not sit flat as the cuts in the DPO plate are very shallow. It seems glock plates are not affected, but it will not sit flush on the DPO plate for the Staccato. Trying to figure out what I want to do as the optic seems great, and I am not sure if it will break by having it not sit flush. Might have to move it to a glock, but I don't shoot those very often any more.

rathos, do you have a picture of what you are describing? I have the Dawson plate and a P2 and probably 2k since installed with no issues. When I called Dawson I specifically told them it was for a P2 and they said it's the same footprint. Just curios if Dawson has changed their mind for a reason.

[rathos]

The optic actually tilted to one side (to the left side leaving a small gap on the right side). The locking plate itself does not sit flat, you can run you finger over it. I am not sure who I talked to at Dawson, but it sounded like Dave and he was extremely pissed that I had been told the P2 worked with their plate.

It looked weird to me like it was titled, I have worked with it a bit and got it fitting slightly better, but its still not flat. I tried it on the glock plate that came with the optic (place I bought it from included an MOS plate) and it sits completely flat. I reached out to CHPWS even though I had a bad experience the last time, but they did add in some extra screws so maybe this time it will work. It appears that the new locking plate is too thick for the Dawson plate for it to fit into the cut on the locking plate side. The Glock plates have a larger ledge so its not affected.

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rathos, do you have a picture of what you are describing? I have the Dawson plate and a P2 and probably 2k since installed with no issues. When I called Dawson I specifically told them it was for a P2 and they said it's the same footprint. Just curios if Dawson has changed their mind for a reason.

[CDFIII]

The optic actually tilted to one side (to the left side leaving a small gap on the right side). The locking plate itself does not sit flat, you can run you finger over it. I am not sure who I talked to at Dawson, but it sounded like Dave and he was extremely pissed that I had been told the P2 worked with their plate.

It looked weird to me like it was titled, I have worked with it a bit and got it fitting slightly better, but its still not flat. I tried it on the glock plate that came with the optic (place I bought it from included an MOS plate) and it sits completely flat. I reached out to CHPWS even though I had a bad experience the last time, but they did add in some extra screws so maybe this time it will work. It appears that the new locking plate is too thick for the Dawson plate for it to fit into the cut on the locking plate side. The Glock plates have a larger ledge so its not affected.

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Okay.. I see what you are looking at. I marked my screw with a paint pin and have a tad over 2k through mine. It looks just like yours and has been perfect. No movement or loss of zero. It does have the cross bar which is taking most of the force anyway so I am going to keep running it for now. I do periodically check the screw with the included tool just to be safe but it hasn’t backed out. Few other guys using them as well with good results so far. Isn’t the Dawson plate steel vs. aluminum on the other?

[rathos]

Okay.. I see what you are looking at. I marked my screw with a paint pin and have a tad over 2k through mine. It looks just like yours and has been perfect. No movement or loss of zero. I do periodically check the screw with the included tool just to be safe but it hasn’t backed out. Few other guys using them as well with good results so far. Isn’t the Dawson plate steel vs. aluminum on the other?

No idea, but after Dawson told me it wasn't meant for the P2 and it has that tilt I don't want to use it. The tilt drives me crazy as it looks like I am not holding my gun correctly. I always thought my 509T had the same tilt until I looked at this Acro. I am trying to get my hands on a p-1 locking block to see if it fits and will make the optic lock to the plate correctly.

[CDFIII]

No idea, but after Dawson told me it wasn't meant for the P2 and it has that tilt I don't want to use it. The tilt drives me crazy as it looks like I am not holding my gun correctly. I always thought my 509T had the same tilt until I looked at this Acro. I am trying to get my hands on a p-1 locking block to see if it fits and will make the optic lock to the plate correctly.

You definitely have given me something to be watching for now. I would call Aimpoint CS and see what they can do for you. I’m certainly interested in the outcome.

[rathos]

I found the part number today, but they were already closed. Going to talk to them tomorrow and see if its in stock. They don't list it for sale on their website, but they should have some laying around. I also don't know if the locking gate from the P-1 will even work, but I am going to try it if they sell it to me.

https://www.aimpoint.com/products/spare-parts-and-batteries/locking-bar-threaded-shaft-spare-part-aimpoint-acro-series


You definitely have given me something to be watching for now. I would call Aimpoint CS and see what they can do for you. I’m certainly interested in the outcome.

[ChknLivrNWsky]

newyork: I’ve had an ACRO-P1 first, now P2-on a GEN5 19MOS for years now. Usually rides in a JMCK IWB which I can’t say enough good things about. I’m big and a bit bulky, so I don’t work w/AIWB. I think it’s concealable FOR me at about 4 o’clock. YMMV.
Plenty of folks are concerned with the mailbox shape; it tucks in fine, again, for me. The enclosed emitters are the way to go I believe…


I use a JM aiwb 2.5. Little dude lol. 5’ 10” 165. Rmr on my m&P is no issue at all.

I had the same exact question. I also use a JM AIWB 2.5, but I'm slightly little-er at 5'7 155.

I still don't have an RDS for my g19 MOS, but have been going back and forth on RMR vs ACRO. I haven't seen much on AIWB with the larger RDS (like ACRO and MPS). I've been meaning to start a thread on the topic.

[Casey]

How is it carrying one of these mounted on a g19? Make it tough to conceal or not much of a change compared to an rmr?


I had the same exact question. I also use a JM AIWB 2.5, but I'm slightly little-er at 5'7 155.

I still don't have an RDS for my g19 MOS, but have been going back and forth on RMR vs ACRO. I haven't seen much on AIWB with the larger RDS (like ACRO and MPS). I've been meaning to start a thread on the topic.
Like everything else, I think this is going to be body-type dependent. If you have a flat stomach or larger pecs, I'm guessing it won't be an issue. In my case, while relatively slim at 6' 180lbs and a 33" waist, I still have a little bit of a gut. I carry in a Phlster Floodlight with a decent-sized wedge, but the part of the gun that prints the most for me is the right rear corner of the slide, or, in the case of the ACRO, the right rear corner of the optic. On an open-emitter optic, that is empty space and a non-issue. On an RMR or 508T, for example, the taller portion of the optic sits just above my beltline and doesn't print. An ACRO is still fairly concealable for me based on how I dress, but it does print more than my 508s, so I generally relegate the ACRO to using a duty rig while the 508 is my preference for concealment. If pictures would be helpful, let me know... but again, everyone's body is different and what is true for me may not be true for others.

[newyork]

Thank you for that!

[rathos]

Talked with aimpoint about ordering the P-1 locking gate, they said they will send me one for free. I will post back here if it works and allows proper connection with the duo plate.


I found the part number today, but they were already closed. Going to talk to them tomorrow and see if its in stock. They don't list it for sale on their website, but they should have some laying around. I also don't know if the locking gate from the P-1 will even work, but I am going to try it if they sell it to me.

https://www.aimpoint.com/products/spare-parts-and-batteries/locking-bar-threaded-shaft-spare-part-aimpoint-acro-series

[Clusterfrack]

Like everything else, I think this is going to be body-type dependent. If you have a flat stomach or larger pecs, I'm guessing it won't be an issue. In my case, while relatively slim at 6' 180lbs and a 33" waist, I still have a little bit of a gut. I carry in a Phlster Floodlight with a decent-sized wedge, but the part of the gun that prints the most for me is the right rear corner of the slide, or, in the case of the ACRO, the right rear corner of the optic. On an open-emitter optic, that is empty space and a non-issue. On an RMR or 508T, for example, the taller portion of the optic sits just above my beltline and doesn't print. An ACRO is still fairly concealable for me based on how I dress, but it does print more than my 508s, so I generally relegate the ACRO to using a duty rig while the 508 is my preference for concealment. If pictures would be helpful, let me know... but again, everyone's body is different and what is true for me may not be true for others.

I’m not a big guy, but have a narrow waist (31”) and reasonably big pecs. Otherwise I would not be able to pull this off:


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220223/70ec951387fb44a898abb4257041121b.jpg

[Sero Sed Serio]

My P2 showed up at the office yesterday. Immediately took it outside into the Arizona sun: like others have mentioned, the settings seem to be a step up from the P1. I found 2 down from the top setting was sufficient at the brightest part of the day, even when looking at a tan building and a white car. 3 down (7 I believe?) was useable, but you’d have to hunt for the dot. I plan to use 8 as my default setting.

[Tokarev]

My P2 showed up at the office yesterday. Immediately took it outside into the Arizona sun: like others have mentioned, the settings seem to be a step up from the P1. I found 2 down from the top setting was sufficient at the brightest part of the day, even when looking at a tan building and a white car. 3 down (7 I believe?) was useable, but you’d have to hunt for the dot. I plan to use 8 as my default setting.Also an AZ user.

I have found mine is "happiest" down 1 from max brightness when outside. Down 2 works but it isn't as immediately eye catching as down 1.

Personal preference most likely. The dot has a little bit of bloom at down 1 and is likely overkill indoors.

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

[1Rangemaster]

Either vintage of ACRO comes on at Level 7. To my, um, “senior” eyes, the P2 did indeed appear brighter on startup. I*think* there have been some tweaks in the past with the 1st gen. I used a P1 last week in the SE US sun and was between 8&9 all week.
I go one up (8) on my personal carry P2. For me, I can’t see going to 10 on the P2. YMMV. Zeroing I went down one to confirm @25yds.on an indoor range.
Too bright for me draws the eye to the dot; that’s the opposite of what is supposed to be happening-looking through the sight, dot superimposed.
I have little concern over the battery life and plan to change yearly(2032).

[Erick Gelhaus]

Installed the P2 on my work pistol Wednesday evening - per SoCalDep 's directions. Zero'd it yesterday and then shot another 150+/- through it. Will teach a low light class with it two afternoons & nights this coming week.

[Sero Sed Serio]

Also an AZ user.

I have found mine is "happiest" down 1 from max brightness when outside. Down 2 works but it isn't as immediately eye catching as down 1.

Personal preference most likely. The dot has a little bit of bloom at down 1 and is likely overkill indoors.

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I played around with the full, -1, -2, and -3 settings both indoors and out. In a dim bedroom (doors closed, curtains drawn) the -2 is useable and I can still ID objects through the optic, even though there is a crosshair effect. At -1 the dot/crosshair effect overpowers my ability to see anything through the optic.

Outside in the full midday sun confirmed my observations at the office: -3 forces me to hunt for the dot, particularly against my lemon-yellow back wall.

I was able to get 2 ghost dots if I pointed the optic close to the sun, but at -2 I can still pick out the real dot. Since my pistol is my secondary weapon when shooting down aircraft, this isn’t a huge deal (“Mounted optic on my Bofors, couldn’t hit Vals…0/10 stars).

[dontshakepandas]

I got my P-2 mounted up to 45 MOS with an FCD plate and really like it. It looks so much bigger and really feels like it’s going to be harder to conceal, but in reality I haven’t noticed any difference at all.

I’m happy enough that I have two more in transit to me and one more backordered.

Has anybody heard any updates on the lens covers Aimpoint initially showed? I’d like to order two more to throw one on my B&T and possibly my 1301 but would prefer to have the flip covers for shoulder fired platforms.

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Has anybody heard any updates on the lens covers Aimpoint initially showed? I’d like to order two more to throw one on my B&T and possibly my 1301 but would prefer to have the flip covers for shoulder fired platforms. Back in February, I was told by Strohman there were no plans to import them to the USA.

[dontshakepandas]

Back in February, I was told by Strohman there were no plans to import them to the USA.

Well that’s a bummer.

[helothar]

is anyone running the rear iron sight in front of the acro? if so how do you like it compared to one in the rear?

[rathos]

I got the p-1 locking block today. It is exactly the same as the P-2, it just has a different locking screw. It does the same thing with the DUO plate where it is canted to the side. I picked a new CHPWS acro plate. While the P-2 sits on it evenly, it will not lock down and it rattles around. The box said it comes with two mounting screws and two o rings, but there were no o-rings in the box and there is a third screw that if installed helps to lock down the p-2, but keeps your firing pin from working. I am going to connect with CHPWS and see what they say, but I have a feeling I am up shit creek until Dawson comes out with a acro p-2 plate, or CHPWS can help.

[DpdG]

is anyone running the rear iron sight in front of the acro? if so how do you like it compared to one in the rear?

I have pics of mine in post #277 of this thread. So far I like it, although I noticed one issue that had never cropped up before- when thumbing the SCD during holstering I'm tending to get thumb prints on the rear lens. Never cropped up with open emitters or sight behind optic as the sight or deck of the optic kept my thumb away from the glass. I have G45mos set up otherwise identical, so I think I'm going to use it as my primary carry with the 19x as match gun due to the thumb-print "issue." All in all its a minor nit-pick, but it's my only complaint so far.

[TCinVA]

The optics ready M&P's come with optic height sights...kinda. With an Acro P2 mounted to an M&P with the Aimpoint plate, the sights are too short to actually provide any sort of sight picture through the optic.

Anyone know offhand what size sights will work with that combo? I've been looking at Dawson's .405" rear and .320" front as a possibility.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Tim, not having a CORE etc I've gone the Atei shim sight route. While I do not have the measurement, AmeiGlo has a front sight that works with the Shim Sight

[GJM]

The CORE BUIS are grotesquely tall (and sharp), and I can't imagine carrying anything taller. I used to have an Acro on a CORE, and didn't have issues, but I can't remember what plate I used. Wouldn't this work with the OEM BUIS:

https://chpws.com/product/v4-mil-leo-sw-core-optics-ready-cut-to-aimpoint-acro/

[SoCalDep]

The optics ready M&P's come with optic height sights...kinda. With an Acro P2 mounted to an M&P with the Aimpoint plate, the sights are too short to actually provide any sort of sight picture through the optic.

Anyone know offhand what size sights will work with that combo? I've been looking at Dawson's .405" rear and .320" front as a possibility.

I took my P2 off my M&P/ACRO plate and put it back on a Glock, so I don't have pictures, but from my memory the sights were visible but very low in the window - which is how I like them, so I never replaced them.

I still have my P1 on an M&P, but that one is direct mounted - the dots on the irons are visible on that one.

[dontshakepandas]

Got a chance to put some rounds through these today, and I’m really liking the P2. It is definitely my favorite pistol mounted red dot compared to the others I’ve used (RMR, SRO, 509t x2, 508t x2).

Unfortunately, it looks like one of mine has some debris inside the front lens to it may need a trip back to Aimpoint. It isn’t really noticeable in use, but a little frustrating as long as I’ve waited to get my hands on them.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220418/d2dae0cae0ead0fc103169fd0a966359.jpg

[GJM]

TREX says they will have 40 in stock Tuesday morning.

[Default.mp3]

The TangoDown shield is out: https://tangodown.com/lens-guard-for-aimpoint-acro-p2/

[Default.mp3]

Well that’s a bummer.I called Aimpoint USA on a lark today, the fellow on the phone told me that they were expecting the covers to come in during summer, probably June, with July being the latest; this would include the entire line, the blacks, the transparents, and even the one with the built-in ARD. Given their issues with the P-2s in general, I'd take the timeline with a grain of salt (especially since the CSR also stated that they were still undergoing testing?), but I am happy to hear that they are coming eventually, I'll throw them on my NODs gun as a back-up RDS (still don't complete trust EOTech) while having the ability to protect it during force-on-force.

[GJM]

Quick update on battery life. I turned the P2 on, two clicks down from max intensity, when I got the P2 back in December. It has been on continuously since then, and the battery is still going strong.

[TCinVA]

The optics ready M&P's come with optic height sights...kinda. With an Acro P2 mounted to an M&P with the Aimpoint plate, the sights are too short to actually provide any sort of sight picture through the optic.

Anyone know offhand what size sights will work with that combo? I've been looking at Dawson's .405" rear and .320" front as a possibility.

Following up on this, I broke out the digital calipers. The factory rear on the pistol I purchased is .405" high.

I ordered a .450" rear and .360" and a .375" front sight from Dawson Precision. I think between all of those I'll be able to get the co-witness I'm looking for.

[grnamin]

I had the same problem with my P-2 with Dawson plate. I removed the two small rubber o-rings from the top of the plate and now the P-2 sits flat.


I got the p-1 locking block today. It is exactly the same as the P-2, it just has a different locking screw. It does the same thing with the DUO plate where it is canted to the side. I picked a new CHPWS acro plate. While the P-2 sits on it evenly, it will not lock down and it rattles around. The box said it comes with two mounting screws and two o rings, but there were no o-rings in the box and there is a third screw that if installed helps to lock down the p-2, but keeps your firing pin from working. I am going to connect with CHPWS and see what they say, but I have a feeling I am up shit creek until Dawson comes out with a acro p-2 plate, or CHPWS can help.

[rathos]

CHPWS reached out and let me know their engineers agreed the rear screw was too long and they are sending me out a new one. Hopefully this takes care of the issue with the optic not locking down as they no longer use the o rings. I hope it works as I don't like the way the optic is leaning on the DUO plate.


I got the p-1 locking block today. It is exactly the same as the P-2, it just has a different locking screw. It does the same thing with the DUO plate where it is canted to the side. I picked a new CHPWS acro plate. While the P-2 sits on it evenly, it will not lock down and it rattles around. The box said it comes with two mounting screws and two o rings, but there were no o-rings in the box and there is a third screw that if installed helps to lock down the p-2, but keeps your firing pin from working. I am going to connect with CHPWS and see what they say, but I have a feeling I am up shit creek until Dawson comes out with a acro p-2 plate, or CHPWS can help.

[grnamin]

I ordered a CHPWS Acro plate (3 screws), too, since I wanted to compare it to the Dawson plate. The P-2 sits a little lower on the CHPWS plate. It's thinner than the Dawson plate.

Rear sight on the Dawson can be drifted to adjust windage. CHPWS rear sight is fixed.

Tried out the Acro on CHPWS at the range this morning. After about 25 rounds, I noticed that the Acro was loose, but the mounting screw was still fully tightened and the plate was secure. Switched to the Dawson plate. After about 100 rounds, the Acro was still secure. Neither Dawson or CHPWS had o-rings installed. The CHPWS didn't come with any. I also have their older, single screw version. It came with o-rings, but I couldn't figure out where to put them. The Dawson has divots where the o-rings are pre-installed. I removed them in order for the Acro to sit flush.

Here's a weird observation:
When the P-2 is held in place with my fingers on the Dawson plate, it sits flush, but when it's secured with the mounting wedge and screw tightened, it's raised up with a gap about the thickness of a average business card.

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[rathos]

These are the same issues I outlined previously in this thread. I am surprised you could get the CHPWS plate installed, unless they are already shipping out the shorter rear screws (CHPWS is sending me one so I am waiting on that. I was able to get the ACRO Zeroed today using the Dawson plate, but it looks weird as its obviously askew as you mentioned. I am really hoping the new CHPWS screw works and the ACRO will still flush and stay tight. Personally I wish that that DUO plate would allow it to sit flush, but I am not sure what Dawson is doing in regards to the Acro P-2 as when I called them they told me that their current plate is not meant to work with the Acro P-2.


I ordered a CHPWS Acro plate (3 screws), too, since I wanted to compare it to the Dawson plate. The P-2 sits a little lower on the CHPWS plate. It's thinner than the Dawson plate.

Rear sight on the Dawson can be drifted to adjust windage. CHPWS rear sight is fixed.

Tried out the Acro on CHPWS at the range this morning. After about 25 rounds, I noticed that the Acro was loose, but the mounting screw was still fully tightened and the plate was secure. Switched to the Dawson plate. After about 100 rounds, the Acro was still secure. Neither Dawson or CHPWS had o-rings installed. The CHPWS didn't come with any. I also have their older, single screw version. It came with o-rings, but I couldn't figure out where to put them. The Dawson has divots where the o-rings are pre-installed. I removed them in order for the Acro to sit flush.

Here's a weird observation:
When the P-2 is held in place with my fingers on the Dawson plate, it sits flush, but when it's secured with the mounting wedge and screw tightened, it's raised up with a gap about the thickness of a average business card.

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[grnamin]

Rathos, I read about the long CHPWS screw. Mine was still interfering with the firing pin so I secured it with electrical tape onto a hex wrench and trimmed it down with a benchtop disc grinder. Tightened the shortened screw down and pressed the firing to check for clearance. Good to go.

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[CDFIII]

These are the same issues I outlined previously in this thread. I am surprised you could get the CHPWS plate installed, unless they are already shipping out the shorter rear screws (CHPWS is sending me one so I am waiting on that. I was able to get the ACRO Zeroed today using the Dawson plate, but it looks weird as its obviously askew as you mentioned. I am really hoping the new CHPWS screw works and the ACRO will still flush and stay tight. Personally I wish that that DUO plate would allow it to sit flush, but I am not sure what Dawson is doing in regards to the Acro P-2 as when I called them they told me that their current plate is not meant to work with the Acro P-2.

Dawson is re engineering the Acro plate. They are on the third re-do is what I have been told. They are saying a couple of weeks.... but you all know how that goes. There are other plates from great companies in the works as well.

[zeleny]

Dawson is re engineering the Acro plate. They are on the third re-do is what I have been told. They are saying a couple of weeks.... but you all know how that goes. There are other plates from great companies in the works as well.B&T has secure Aimpoint ACRO mounting bases for use with the SIG Sauer P320 and Walther PPQ Q4 and Q5.

[P226SAOFan]

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

Looks to be in stock

[dontshakepandas]

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

Looks to be in stock

Thanks! Wasn't in stock when I originally saw this, but checked again about 20 minutes later and it was in stock and I was able to snag one.

Edit: Shows out of stock now.

T-Rex arms sent out an email earlier this week saying they'll have ~40 available for purchase at 10am central time today.

[JakeB]

Does anyone have a starting sight height for front and rear irons with the ACRO on a Glock 45? I'll be using the Tango Down / Forward Controls plate.

A local gun shop is building up a batch of 17.5s for a local agency, and with a CHPWS plate, I believe Aimpoint informed them to use .280 rear and .285 front on those.

I can see the .280 rear being an easy choice, not sure if anyone has a recommendation for a front or a set they have run?

[dontshakepandas]

JakeB I’m using Ameriglo GL-429s on my MOS models (45s and 19s) with the FCD plate and they are perfect.

I can snap a picture of the sight picture in a bit if you’d like.

[JakeB]

JakeB I’m using Ameriglo GL-429s on my MOS models (45s and 19s) with the FCD plate and they are perfect.

I can snap a picture of the sight picture in a bit if you’d like.

That would be appreciated!

[dontshakepandas]

That would be appreciated!

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[JakeB]

dontshakepandas - Thanks a bunch. How are they POA/POI and what load are you using?

[dontshakepandas]

dontshakepandas - Thanks a bunch. How are they POA/POI and what load are you using?

POI is dead on at 15 yards where I zeroed the P-2 with 147gr HST.

115 blazer is also close enough that I can’t notice a difference.

[CleverNickname]

Does anyone have a starting sight height for front and rear irons with the ACRO on a Glock 45? I'll be using the Tango Down / Forward Controls plate.

A local gun shop is building up a batch of 17.5s for a local agency, and with a CHPWS plate, I believe Aimpoint informed them to use .280 rear and .285 front on those.

I can see the .280 rear being an easy choice, not sure if anyone has a recommendation for a front or a set they have run?

I'm using these Trijicons (https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/gl201-c-600649) on both a G17 and G19 with an FCD MOS plate. The bottom of the notch on the rear sight is about even with the bottom of the ACRO's window.

88032

[rathos]

It just keeps getting better. I got the "new" screw from CHPWS today. It was still too long. I decided to shorten it myself, which worked. However when the plate was installed the Acro would not tighten down on it all the way. It now had a wobble. The best part was the two smaller screws apparently stripped (using the torx heads provided by CHPWS when I bought it). I will never waste any more money on that company. The P-2 is going back in the box for now and I guess I will have to wait until someone actually figures out how to mount a P-2 to the staccato. I will try to get my money back but I marked up the plate trying to get the stripped screws out, so I am sure they won't take care of me as their customer service is shit.

I ended up putting my delta point on my C2. I guess since I am no longer in LE I don't need an enclosed optic for now.


CHPWS reached out and let me know their engineers agreed the rear screw was too long and they are sending me out a new one. Hopefully this takes care of the issue with the optic not locking down as they no longer use the o rings. I hope it works as I don't like the way the optic is leaning on the DUO plate.

[whomever]

... The best part was the two smaller screws apparently stripped (using the torx heads provided by CHPWS when I bought it).


1)I have no idea what quality of fasteners your vendor sent
2)There are a lot of craptastic small torx and allen head fasteners out there
3)My general practice is to replace any iffy ones with Made in USA ones from McMaster, Zoro, Fastenal, or some other industrial supply place. I just looked and McMaster has boxes of 6/32 for a little over $10. They don't list a brand, but I think the last ones they send were HoloKrome. They will tell you what brand they have on the phone.
4)Given that good screws might cost 5 cents more than bad ones, I wish companies would send good ones, but...
5)Life is too short to put up with questionable fasteners.

[Wayne Dobbs]

JakeB I’m using Ameriglo GL-429s on my MOS models (45s and 19s) with the FCD plate and they are perfect.

I can snap a picture of the sight picture in a bit if you’d like.

The Ameriglo GL-429s are what I've recommended ever since ACRO showed up. They give what I call a lower 1/4 co-witness and have no color, tritium, etc. to distract from the dot.

[rathos]

Honestly the screws were the least of the issues with their shit product. If the plate itself worked I wouldn't have had to remove them (though screws stripping do suck). I also generally don't go out and buy a bunch of screws for a product I am not sure I am going to stick with. For all of my RMR guns I bought aftermarket screws, but mostly because I had to replace them each year and the were super expensive for just two screws.

In the future I am just staying away from CHPWS so I won't have to worry about it. I have never had these issues with a DUO plate, but its my second time around with CHPWS. I figured after talking to someone before the purchase and verifying from them that they say their product worked with the P-2 I took their word on it. I am still waiting to hear back from them on what they are going to do with this plate since it doesn't work.


1)I have no idea what quality of fasteners your vendor sent
2)There are a lot of craptastic small torx and allen head fasteners out there
3)My general practice is to replace any iffy ones with Made in USA ones from McMaster, Zoro, Fastenal, or some other industrial supply place. I just looked and McMaster has boxes of 6/32 for a little over $10. They don't list a brand, but I think the last ones they send were HoloKrome. They will tell you what brand they have on the phone.
4)Given that good screws might cost 5 cents more than bad ones, I wish companies would send good ones, but...
5)Life is too short to put up with questionable fasteners.

[Cdub_NW]

Doing some digging and read some of you had issues with the CHPWS mounting plates on the Acro2 and also the 509 optics. Has anyone used any of the Apex tactical or Tango Down plates? I am looking to mount an Acro P2 onto a P320 Legion x-five and a 509t2 onto a P320 x-compact at the moment. Also, more than open to the idea of having them direct milled if needed.

Any advice would be awesome!!!

[Clusterfrack]

Doing some digging and read some of you had issues with the CHPWS mounting plates on the Acro2 and also the 509 optics. Has anyone used any of the Apex tactical or Tango Down plates? I am looking to mount an Acro P2 onto a P320 Legion x-five and a 509t2 onto a P320 x-compact at the moment. Also, more than open to the idea of having them direct milled if needed.

Any advice would be awesome!!!

SoCalDep, would you be able to point him in the right direction? I know Cdub_NW chooses his gear carefully so his professional and civilian students see examples that work.

[GJM]

Doing some digging and read some of you had issues with the CHPWS mounting plates on the Acro2 and also the 509 optics. Has anyone used any of the Apex tactical or Tango Down plates? I am looking to mount an Acro P2 onto a P320 Legion x-five and a 509t2 onto a P320 x-compact at the moment. Also, more than open to the idea of having them direct milled if needed.

Any advice would be awesome!!!

320 with the Apex plate, typical high quality Apex product.

88062

[Cdub_NW]

SoCalDep, would you be able to point him in the right direction? I know Cdub_NW chooses his gear carefully so his professional and civilian students see examples that work.

Thank you!!!

[ssb]

I second the APEX plate for the P2 and the P320. Limited round count, but no issues whatsoever in mounting.

If APEX or Forward Controls Designs are an option for your plate needs, it’s been my experience that either company is the answer. The TangoDown plates are Forward Controls plates as I recall.

[Cdub_NW]

320 with the Apex plate, typical high quality Apex product.

88062

Thank you! Have you had any issues with screws shearing? What is your approx round count if you don't mind me asking.

[dontshakepandas]

Doing some digging and read some of you had issues with the CHPWS mounting plates on the Acro2 and also the 509 optics. Has anyone used any of the Apex tactical or Tango Down plates? I am looking to mount an Acro P2 onto a P320 Legion x-five and a 509t2 onto a P320 x-compact at the moment. Also, more than open to the idea of having them direct milled if needed.

Any advice would be awesome!!!

Mine are for Glocks, but the FCD plates that I have are just rebranded Tango Down plates so I assume they would be good to go. I haven't put them through anything that would remotely be considered hard use, but they are 4 for 4 on fitting the gun and a P-2.

[GJM]

Thank you! Have you had any issues with screws shearing? What is your approx round count if you don't mind me asking.

Related very low round count, under 1,000, but no issues observed.

[dontshakepandas]

Unfortunately, it looks like one of mine has some debris inside the front lens to it may need a trip back to Aimpoint. It isn’t really noticeable in use, but a little frustrating as long as I’ve waited to get my hands on them.

I sent Aimpoint an email about this last Wednesday, and had a shipping label provided to me that day and I dropped it off at UPS on Thursday. A brand new unit was waiting for me on my porch yesterday.

If you need another reason to choose the P-2 over the competition (I don't think you do), there it is.

[newyork]

Are P2 now readily available or still tough to get?

[rathos]

They are still in short supply. I believe there are still a lot of folks who pre ordered them waiting on their orders. They pop up in small batches now and again, but most sites are out of stock.


Are P2 now readily available or still tough to get?

[dontshakepandas]

Are P2 now readily available or still tough to get?

I wouldn’t say readily available, but they aren’t completely unattainable like they have been. I’ve been able to pick up 4 of them in the last three weeks or so and none of those have been back orders.

I found two from people here posting a link with them in stock and two were from random web searches.

[js475]

It just keeps getting better. I got the "new" screw from CHPWS today. It was still too long. I decided to shorten it myself, which worked. However when the plate was installed the Acro would not tighten down on it all the way. It now had a wobble. The best part was the two smaller screws apparently stripped (using the torx heads provided by CHPWS when I bought it). I will never waste any more money on that company. The P-2 is going back in the box for now and I guess I will have to wait until someone actually figures out how to mount a P-2 to the staccato. I will try to get my money back but I marked up the plate trying to get the stripped screws out, so I am sure they won't take care of me as their customer service is shit.

I ended up putting my delta point on my C2. I guess since I am no longer in LE I don't need an enclosed optic for now.

I'm having the exact same problem with my Staccato ACRO plate from CHPWS. I originally had the single screw plate. The P2 fit just fine on the plate, but I had to send it back because the plate moved around on the gun. They replaced it with their new version with 3 screws, but now the P2 itself doesn't fit securely on the plate at all!! Like if I just gently shake the gun back and forth the optic rattles around even though I've tightened the clamp all the way. Do they even test these things?? Funny enough, for whatever reason my Steiner MPS fits just fine.

I probably won't even bother sending the plate back again and instead just run the MPS on my Staccato and put the P2 on another one of my Glocks. Definitely won't be sending any more money to CHPWS.

[SoCalDep]

SoCalDep, would you be able to point him in the right direction? I know Cdub_NW chooses his gear carefully so his professional and civilian students see examples that work.

I’ve seen a lot of people running 320s but none have (that I remember) used an ACRO. That said, it’s funny how timely this thread is because I’m in the midst of my CA 10-day wait for a Sig M17. My department doesn’t currently authorize them but we train enough outside agencies and it’s the military gun so I figure I should be familiar.

I’m going with an ACRO on it and Apex is out of stock, so I ordered the Forward Controls Design plate. In my experience FCD is awesome. I can’t speak to the difference/comparison between Apex and FCD but I have products of various types from both companies and they work great.

As for the C&H plates... right now it depends on the gun and then they are still having issues with correct screws and parts. I’ve used their 509T Glock mount with good results but would not recommend their ACRO or 509T plates for the M&P (they’re working hard on it though). I have very little experience with the Sig plates.

[rathos]

I did return the DUO plate to dawson and their customer service said they were coming out with a plate that would work with both the P-2 and P-1 soon. They said "next week" but I know how that goes. I think at this point I am just going to stick with the DPP as I don't want to have to zero another red dot.


I'm having the exact same problem with my Staccato ACRO plate from CHPWS. I originally had the single screw plate. The P2 fit just fine on the plate, but I had to send it back because the plate moved around on the gun. They replaced it with their new version with 3 screws, but now the P2 itself doesn't fit securely on the plate at all!! Like if I just gently shake the gun back and forth the optic rattles around even though I've tightened the clamp all the way. Do they even test these things?? Funny enough, for whatever reason my Steiner MPS fits just fine.

I probably won't even bother sending the plate back again and instead just run the MPS on my Staccato and put the P2 on another one of my Glocks. Definitely won't be sending any more money to CHPWS.

[Cdub_NW]

I’ve seen a lot of people running 320s but none have (that I remember) used an ACRO. That said, it’s funny how timely this thread is because I’m in the midst of my CA 10-day wait for a Sig M17. My department doesn’t currently authorize them but we train enough outside agencies and it’s the military gun so I figure I should be familiar.

I’m going with an ACRO on it and Apex is out of stock, so I ordered the Forward Controls Design plate. In my experience FCD is awesome. I can’t speak to the difference/comparison between Apex and FCD but I have products of various types from both companies and they work great.

As for the C&H plates... right now it depends on the gun and then they are still having issues with correct screws and parts. I’ve used their 509T Glock mount with good results but would not recommend their ACRO or 509T plates for the M&P (they’re working hard on it though). I have very little experience with the Sig plates.

Thank you! I was able to locate the Apex plate for Sig AcroP2 on Benstoegerproshop.com in case you want to snag one or a few. I will give this as shot and let you know.

I also live very close to Springer Precision, going to run over there and try to grab one of their kits for the x-carry running a 509T2 and see what they say about AcroP2 options. Might be another quality source for Sig related adapter plates.

[Chompion]

Anyone on here running the Ameriglo GL-611 with the lumigreen front site and p2? Curious to see if that front site is distracting in the sight picture. Ive used front sights with fibers on competition rds guns and I dont notice them but wondering just how big that outline is on the Ameriglos

[grnamin]

I made a battery cap tool out of some scrap G10. Turn cap counterclockwise first to seat the threads then clockwise to tighten.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cRwBCTD/0/L/i-cRwBCTD-L.jpg

[dontshakepandas]

https://midwestoptics.net/product/aimpoint-acro-p-2-3-5-moa/

Small number of P-2s in stock right now if anybody is looking.


Aaaaaand gone.

[DamonL]

https://midwestoptics.net/product/aimpoint-acro-p-2-3-5-moa/

Small number of P-2s in stock right now if anybody is looking.


Aaaaaand gone.

I just looked. That was fast.

[dontshakepandas]

I just looked. That was fast.

I held off to save some for the rest of you guys.

I’ve been trying to get all of mine to cowitness.

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[DamonL]

Nice collection. I am still in the hunt.

[dontshakepandas]

Nice collection. I am still in the hunt.

BTO has some in stock.

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-2-3-next-generation-miniature-red-dot-sight/

[TC215]

BTO has some in stock.

https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/aimpoint-acro-p-2-3-next-generation-miniature-red-dot-sight/

Apparently 10 minutes was too long to wait.

[dontshakepandas]

Apparently 10 minutes was too long to wait.

They only had like 30 when I got the email. It looks like shipments are starting to go out pretty regularly though.

[DamonL]

I missed it by this much ><.

Thank you for the lead. Several places are taking back orders.

[Clusterfrack]

Do we have preferred vendors that can fulfill back orders promptly?

[grnamin]

Revivaldefense has some in stock.

As of 1556 hrs CDT, 3 May 2022, still some available.

1607 hrs all gone


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[TC215]

9 left:

https://www.sportoptics.com/aimpoint-acro-p-2-red-dot-200691.html

REDDOT18 will get you 18% off. I just ordered one for $556 total.

[Clusterfrack]

9 left:

https://www.sportoptics.com/aimpoint-acro-p-2-red-dot-200691.html

REDDOT18 will get you 18% off. I just ordered one for $556 total.

Outstanding. Thanks dude. I have one on the way, to go on a Glock 20.4 direct milled by ATEI, with their Shimsight.

[TC215]

9 left:

https://www.sportoptics.com/aimpoint-acro-p-2-red-dot-200691.html

REDDOT18 will get you 18% off. I just ordered one for $556 total.

All gone now.

[DamonL]

Drats!

[BobM]

I finally got a shipping notification from Strohmans today, from my October order.

[grnamin]

1203 hrs CDT Got an alert that SKDTAC has some in stock.

1235 hrs. All gone.

[thatguybryan]

SoCalDep, have you tried the new Aimpoint brand ACRO plates for the M&P optics ready slides? Tempted to give an Acro a try, but it seems like none of the mounting systems are really duty/carry ready.

[SoCalDep]

SoCalDep, have you tried the new Aimpoint brand ACRO plates for the M&P optics ready slides? Tempted to give an Acro a try, but it seems like none of the mounting systems are really duty/carry ready.

We got Aimpoint plates when we got the P2s back in July 2021. My partner has a few thousand rounds through one and I have maybe 2,000 or so through mine. We had issues with aimpoint plates in early 2020 (we spoke to them at SHOT 2020 about it, having been pretty recent) but back then we didn't have the mounting procedures we have now and were using VC-3 at the time. So far the two plate sample we have has been good-to-go. I'd carry mine on duty.

[ZackDanger]

Just jumping in because misery loves company.

My duty pistol (P320) has been OOS since getting it milled for the ACRO last year... it's been painful using a backup M&P (gen 1) with irons, all the while reading about people falling into an ACRO at their LGS.

I'm enjoying reading the reviews from people who have them in hand, but I can't wait for when availability evens out.

[thatguybryan]

We got Aimpoint plates when we got the P2s back in July 2021. My partner has a few thousand rounds through one and I have maybe 2,000 or so through mine. We had issues with aimpoint plates in early 2020 (we spoke to them at SHOT 2020 about it, having been pretty recent) but back then we didn't have the mounting procedures we have now and were using VC-3 at the time. So far the two plate sample we have has been good-to-go. I'd carry mine on duty.

Awesome. Do you mind expanding on your mounting procedures (if possible)?

[1Rangemaster]

Awesome. Do you mind expanding on your mounting procedures (if possible)?

Not SoCalDep, but I’ll toss in a couple of cents here:
1)Check the sight for function(does it come on? Switches work, etc.)
2)Degrease screws, screw holes, plates.
3)Apply threadlocker to screws; blue loctite 242 or 248-liquid or stick. In the past , some used “Vibratite VC-3” which has failed.
4)Attach plate and torque to spec. Witness mark screws w/paint pen.
5)Attach sight and torque to spec. Witness mark.
6)LEAVE IT ALONE FOR 24 HOURS. The mounting failures we had generally were when we didn’t do this.

I believe this is the way, but would welcome SoCalDep comments.
Check for tightness periodically.

[SoCalDep]

Totally agree… I’ll only add that I now test fit everything after confirming function of the optic. The threads in some slides don’t play well with some fasteners, and I’ve had some optic plates come with the wrong screws, so especially with the Glock 43X/48MOS, Staccato, and Sig 320 (RMR compatible models) I’ll check for extractor function (spring tension) and in the case of Staccato, firing pin protrusion with C&H plates.

My preferred Loctite is the 248, but I’ve found 243 to also work very well.

As one notable exception, l’ve started using a VERY TINY bit of red Loctite on the Staccato/Dawson plate-slide screws at the recommendation of Staccato and after we’ve had enough come loose with our method to decide it needs something more.

[1Rangemaster]

Thanks, sir. I appreciate you adding the finer points also.
As a community, we should also start to think about screw replacement at intervals. For example, at some point RMR2s will need to come off for a battery change. I believe I saw a reference that H&K is recommending screw replacement on the VP9s(?)
I’ll toss this out to the PF community: should screws (plate, optic or both) be changed periodically?

[Clusterfrack]

All this continues to convince me that if possible, direct Acro or 509 mounts are the way to go.

[1Rangemaster]

I conditionally agree. If you dedicate to a specific unit, e.g., an ACRO P2, rock on.
For ME, I like the ability to move to another mfg. if improvements occur-an enclosed Trijicon for example.
I put up with the little battery in the P1; I can check tightness every now and then.
Cooper once wrote a “pistolero” would necessarily handle a weapon daily or so. That seems fairly reasonable, IF attention is paid to safety. So the dry fire, manips., etc. would include a security check. John Hearne wrote about doing 10 draws before leaving the house, etc.
Very few folks would be this dedicated, tho…

[Magsz]

Question.

The highly educated and clearly experienced at my Agency have decided that they are going to change the batteries in the RMR's every year at in service.

They are going to do this before we qualify and partake in whatever training they have planned for that day.

Does anyone know the realistic cure time of 248, 243 and vc3? I figure I can let them work their stupidity, shoot for the day and then re torque without removing the screws. It is basically a cardinal sin to do ANYTHING to your weapon at this Agency because the world will end immediately...or so they seem to think.

What they don't know can't hurt them and its my life on the line.

[ssc45]

Cat’s out if the bag. Glock is showing the ACRO cut gun at SHOT.

Photos courtesy of Frank Woods.
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I still think plates will be going the way of the dodo bird. Does anyone have any further info on whether or not glock will be releasing direct mount models in the near future?

Cheers, Steve

[Clusterfrack]

I conditionally agree. If you dedicate to a specific unit, e.g., an ACRO P2, rock on.
For ME, I like the ability to move to another mfg. if improvements occur-an enclosed Trijicon for example.


I agree, and any improvements should include a closed emitter and compatibility with existing taper mount footprints.

[TCinVA]

Does anyone know the realistic cure time of 248, 243 and vc3?


Loctite's cure time can vary based on temperature, the properties of the metal and finish on the slide/fasteners, etc.

Generally speaking you're going to want to allow a full 24 hour cure to ensure the Loctite actually sets up in a durable fashion. That means installing the fasteners and leaving it alone for 24 hours.

If you use Loctite's primer/activator it can reduce the cure time to four hours according to Loctite. Use of the activator is probably a sane idea in any case as the substrates we are using (our slides and mounts) are typically more "passive", meaning they are reluctantly lending electrons to the thread locker which means it takes more time for the chemical reaction that solidifies the thread locker to occur.

Of course, use of the primer/activator and application of the thread locker has to follow a proper cleaning and degreasing of the threads on the fastener and the hole.

If you don't use the primer/activator, a full 24 hours is the realistic curing time. If you do use the primer/activator I still wouldn't shoot the gun in less than 4 or 5 hours.



I figure I can let them work their stupidity, shoot for the day and then re torque without removing the screws. It is basically a cardinal sin to do ANYTHING to your weapon at this Agency because the world will end immediately...or so they seem to think.

What they don't know can't hurt them and its my life on the line.

Shooting the gun immediately after applying thread locker essentially shatters the latticework that causes the thread locker to turn solid. If that's what they are mandating you to do, it's an exceptionally poor strategy that doesn't show any comprehension of how LocTite actually works.

The only hope you have in that specific scenario is that your shooting is done almost immediately after the thread locker is applied and before it has had the chance to start working...the odds of which are really, really slim. Applying more torque to the fastener will also have the same effect. It's meant to be applied (and applied correctly, which in blind hole applications means putting it in the hole and actually ensuring it gets down to the bottom of the threads...air bubbles can prevent this and people don't realize it) and then the fastener is torqued and then you don't subject that fastener to vibrations for at least 24 hours.

I don't even re-assemble my pistol when I've applied Loctite. I get the fasteners torqued and put the slide in a relatively warm place and don't touch it for at least 24 hours.

[1Rangemaster]

I still think plates will be going the way of the dodo bird. Does anyone have any further info on whether or not glock will be releasing direct mount models in the near future?

Cheers, Steve

My understanding is that Glock has samples in the field for US law enforcement(I don’t know about foreign agencies). They will be available to agencies only initially. Trijicon RMR, ACRO and Holosun 509 footprints available.

Clusterfrack: my understanding is that the Holosun 509, ACRO and Steiner MPS have different footprints, so I’m not sure how one would standardize.

TCinVA - thanks for the specific information. I had not even considered not assembling, and now will…

Edit to add: I think a Leupold Delta Point version also available.

[GJM]

How about screws that come with blue loctite like material already applied -- screw and go, or a cure time?

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Does anyone know the realistic cure time of 248, 243 and vc3? I figure I can let them work their stupidity, shoot for the day and then re torque without removing the screws. It is basically a cardinal sin to do ANYTHING to your weapon at this Agency because the world will end immediately...or so they seem to think.VC-3's drying time as published is 10 to 30 minutes. Note that this is letting the coated part sit in the open; once it's dried on the screws, then you use it to secure the optic/plate.


How about screws that come with blue loctite like material already applied -- screw and go, or a cure time?No cure time needed. Nylon patches and VC-3 are not reactive threadlockers like Loctite. This is why you need to reapply Loctite 242 after each use, due to the bonding of the locker to the threads, while nylon patches and VC-3 are advertised as multi-use.

[1Rangemaster]

How about screws that come with blue loctite like material already applied -- screw and go, or a cure time?

I’d leave them alone overnight, as it seems the thread locker has to interact with the threads in the hole. GJM, respectfully asking your experiences, as you and your wife have a lot of field experience.

Ill also defer to TCinVA as he seems to have researched Loctite…

[Clusterfrack]

Clusterfrack: my understanding is that the Holosun 509, ACRO and Steiner MPS have different footprints, so I’m not sure how one would standardize.

The solution is for the manufacturer to offer their new optic in multiple versions—with all the major footprints.

[1Rangemaster]

The solution is for the manufacturer to offer their new optic in multiple versions—with all the major footprints.

Yes, in an ideal world! But I fear one would have little co-ordination between Sweden, Germany and China, to say nothing of the US. If we look at light rails on frames; Several initially, to include Glock, H&K and Picatinny(“M1913A1”). What eventually has sorted out is the 1913 rail.
So, probably a government contract/specification would standardize. That would simplify the matter

[Clusterfrack]

Yes, in an ideal world! But I fear one would have little co-ordination between Sweden, Germany and China, to say nothing of the US. If we look at light rails on frames; Several initially, to include Glock, H&K and Picatinny(“M1913A1”). What eventually has sorted out is the 1913 rail.
So, probably a government contract/specification would standardize. That would simplify the matter

A Gov't contract would help. But I don't think it requires coordination--just good old capitalism. If instead of a MOS plate system, Glock used an Acro or 509 footprint, I'm confident the major optic companies would bring a compatible model to market. E.g. Holosun is already offering a MOS-direct mount, and there's speculation they may support other guns' proprietary plate footprints. A mounting system is a lot cheaper and simpler to develop and make than the optic itself.

[ssc45]

My understanding is that Glock has samples in the field for US law enforcement(I don’t know about foreign agencies). They will be available to agencies only initially. Trijicon RMR, ACRO and Holosun 509 footprints available.

Clusterfrack: my understanding is that the Holosun 509, ACRO and Steiner MPS have different footprints, so I’m not sure how one would standardize.

TCinVA - thanks for the specific information. I had not even considered not assembling, and now will…

Edit to add: I think a Leupold Delta Point version also available.

Thanks for the info. I sure hope they release them.

Cheers, Steve

[TC215]

Mine arrived today. Now I just have to buy a gun to mount it on. :rolleyes:

[HCM]

Yes, in an ideal world! But I fear one would have little co-ordination between Sweden, Germany and China, to say nothing of the US. If we look at light rails on frames; Several initially, to include Glock, H&K and Picatinny(“M1913A1”). What eventually has sorted out is the 1913 rail.
So, probably a government contract/specification would standardize. That would simplify the matter

Nope.

There is no sole “government contract”

Different parts of the government have specified different red dot systems mostly broken down into Clock users with MOS and SIG users including the M 17/18 with the DPP footprint specified in the MHS program.

When the MHS specifications were put out closed emitter Optics with crossbolt mounting systems were not a thing, at least not publicly or commercially.

The one thing we have seen come out of a potential government contract is an optic that direct mounts to the MOS system. While it is a common footprint and has the benefit of eliminating plates it is still inferior to a crossbow mounting system and not particularly applicable to closed emitter optics.

[GJM]

I just checked the Duracell battery on my P2, that has been on continuously two clicks below max brightness since mid to late December. Battery tester says 20 percent so I will change the battery. Seems like acceptable battery life.

[1Rangemaster]

I just checked the Duracell battery on my P2, that has been on continuously two clicks below max brightness since mid to late December. Battery tester says 20 percent so I will change the battery. Seems like acceptable battery life.

Thank you, GJM. Your contribute a lot to the “community”. In line with this, mods may want a separate thread; my question is:

“Do we have a reasonable idea of battery life amongst the various manufacturers.”
Here’s what I have gleaned:
*Aimpoint, specifically P2: 6 months on a 2032, with some intensity management
*Holosun 509T: 12 months on a 1632; assumption: the unit is under light on occasion for the solar assist.
*Steiner MPS: 2 months reported, highest setting on a duty weapon. MPS does blink when approaching depletion.
*Trijicon RMR2: 12 months on 2032, though I have not seen an actual report.

The P1 I believe with dedicated, consistent “power management” could go 2 months. I don’t think many, myself included, are up to daily management.
I respectfully request data input. Thanks in advance

[grnamin]

Is there a way for me to adjust the tension in the windage adjuster of my P-2 so that it clicks with more authority like the elevation adjuster?

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[1Rangemaster]

Is there a way for me to adjust the tension in the windage adjuster of my P-2 so that it clicks with more authority like the elevation adjuster?

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Not that I know of(as a user). It’s a sealed unit.

[grnamin]

Not that I know of(as a user). It’s a sealed unit.Thank you, 1Rangemaster.

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[TCB]

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Moved my P2 from a G17MOS to this G45MOS with the Mayhem comp…it will be staying there. It shoots extremely soft and I’m pretty impressed with its capabilities.

[GJM]

Cousins

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[TCB]

I tried my Mayhem comp on one of my G19 and it worked but didn’t impress me as much as on a full size gun. Maybe it was because I use almost exclusively 147gr ammo? But that is a super rad setup though…Now I need one of those TD windows for mine.

[js475]

I did return the DUO plate to dawson and their customer service said they were coming out with a plate that would work with both the P-2 and P-1 soon. They said "next week" but I know how that goes. I think at this point I am just going to stick with the DPP as I don't want to have to zero another red dot.

I discovered that the ACRO's mounting clamp could be causing the issue rather than the CHPWS plate. I tried using a clamp from a different P2, and sure enough the optic locks securely onto the CHPWS plate. The ACRO that doesn't fit on the CHPWS plate fits just fine on one of my milled slides, so it's likely a tolerance stacking issue between the plate and the clamp. I contacted Aimpoint and they're sending me another clamp.

[rathos]

I tried two different clamps and both kinds of screws (acro type 1 and 2 the clamp is actually the same for both models). They didn't work. I can't exactly keep buying or getting clamps from aimpoint until I find one that works with the specific plate I had. CHPWS made it sound like a known issue so its totally the plate's fault in my opinion. I am still waiting to hear what they are going to do for me.


I discovered that the ACRO's mounting clamp could be causing the issue rather than the CHPWS plate. I tried using a clamp from a different P2, and sure enough the optic locks securely onto the CHPWS plate. The ACRO that doesn't fit on the CHPWS plate fits just fine on one of my milled slides, so it's likely a tolerance stacking issue between the plate and the clamp. I contacted Aimpoint and they're sending me another clamp.

[js475]

I tried two different clamps and both kinds of screws (acro type 1 and 2 the clamp is actually the same for both models). They didn't work. I can't exactly keep buying or getting clamps from aimpoint until I find one that works with the specific plate I had. CHPWS made it sound like a known issue so its totally the plate's fault in my opinion. I am still waiting to hear what they are going to do for me.

Weird. I would try calling CHPWS. They don't seem to respond to emails very well, but when I called to exchange my plate when I originally had a problem, the person was very helpful and sent the replacement out immediately.

[rathos]

They are in the process of getting back to me. Already spoke with them. They said they would return the plate or they would mount plates on their staccato until they found one that locked up solid and send that to me. I told them I not only want to return the plate but I want them to pay return shipping because I feel like they didn't adequately test their product and I am a beta tester. Might be a bit over the top but I had called them prior to buying the plate and had them confirm it does work with the acro P2, which even though they said it does is very hit or miss. They still haven't confirmed what they are willing to do yet.

**edited to day** I also had a horrible experience with their holosun 509T plate which is where a lot of the issue comes from with me being so pissed about this product. Because the DUO plate isn't an option I was stuck with CHPWS being the only option. After their assurances it worked I forked over the cash only to be screwed again.


Weird. I would try calling CHPWS. They don't seem to respond to emails very well, but when I called to exchange my plate when I originally had a problem, the person was very helpful and sent the replacement out immediately.

[whomever]

"I discovered that the ACRO's mounting clamp could be causing the issue rather than the CHPWS plate."

When you are CompanyA, and are trying to make something that will work with CompanyB's widget, CompanyB may not tell you what their tolerances are. So you go buy a dozen widgets and measure them, and make your part so it will work with that range of dimensions. But a dozen isn't a very large sample size, or CompanyB might even change their dimensions over time, so only long experience will let you know what dimensions actually work for your part.

[GJM]

Thank you,

The P1 I believe with dedicated, consistent “power management” could go 2 months. I don’t think many, myself included, are up to daily management.
I respectfully request data input. Thanks in advance

Alternatively, Aimpoint will claim they developed the Acro P1 as a specialized night vision optimized optic, and the battery lasts five years.

[grnamin]

The Acro plate is no longer listed in Dawson's site, but is still available in Staccato's.

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[1Rangemaster]

Alternatively, Aimpoint will claim they developed the Acro P1 as a specialized night vision optimized optic, and the battery lasts five years.

Heh. No, they originally said it was a full spectrum optic.
If anyone has any anecdotes or data, it would be appreciated. It was pointed out to me that an RMR2 on manual, at a high intensity would have a shorter lifetime. So, I’ll say change every 6 months if one is running one consistently.

[rathos]

When I returned my dawson plate they said they were a week or two out from releasing a new plate that would work with both the P1 and P2 acros. Guessing they are updating their website with the new plate.


The Acro plate is no longer listed in Dawson's site, but is still available in Staccato's.

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[grnamin]

When I returned my dawson plate they said they were a week or two out from releasing a new plate that would work with both the P1 and P2 acros. Guessing they are updating their website with the new plate.Would be nice if Dawson sets up some sort of "upgrade to the new plate" program for those of us that have the old plate.

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[grnamin]

Stock alert from Trex Arms...
This email is to notify you that we will be restocking less than 40 of the Aimpoint Acro P-2 Red Dot Sight at 10:00 AM CDT tomorrow morning (05/12/2022).

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[Default.mp3]

I put in an order for another ACRO P-2 today, Strohman told me to expect it late June.

This one will go on my CZ Evo, and I'll pull the Micro T-2 on it currently as an offset RDS on my 11.5" to supplement the EXPS3. I would use the P-2 if the battery compartment was on the right side, but the left side would be really annoying to change the battery on with the EOTech in the way, along with the illumination controls.

[backtrail540]

Showing in stock at Wilson.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/OPTIC-AIMPOINT-ACRO-P-2-35-MOA/productinfo/NW774/

[backtrail540]

Showing in stock at Wilson.

https://shopwilsoncombat.com/OPTIC-AIMPOINT-ACRO-P-2-35-MOA/productinfo/NW774/

edit - now showing expected in stock 6/17. I'm fairly certain it showed in stock this am but I may have overlooked it.

[ZackDanger]

edit - now showing expected in stock 6/17. I'm fairly certain it showed in stock this am but I may have overlooked it.

It was showing in stock this am, and I ordered one after seeing your post!

Thank you!

[grnamin]

The Acro plate is no longer listed in Dawson's site, but is still available in Staccato's.

Acro plate is back in Dawson's site, but still says "P1". So far, so good with my Staccato C2 and Dawson P1 plate. Only 300 rounds through, though.

[rathos]

They list the DUO plate for P-1 and P-2 now:

https://dawsonprecision.com/dpo-reflex-system-pat-pend-for-aimpoint-acro-p1-p2-tactical-height-black-rear-co-witness-by-dawson-precision/


Acro plate is back in Dawson's site, but still says "P1". So far, so good with my Staccato C2 and Dawson P1 plate. Only 300 rounds through, though.

[Triarii]

Anybody have any info on an Acro P2 recall? I just read on article on VDMSR.COM about the P2 glass cracking during shooting.

[GJM]

Anybody have any info on an Acro P2 recall? I just read on article on VDMSR.COM about the P2 glass cracking during shooting.

Very interested in a serial number range, since YVK and I got them in December.

[grnamin]

I emailed Dawson tech support to ask them about their Acro plate compatibility. Here's their reply...


"We don't recommend the P1 mount for the P2. Our new Acro plate works with both P1 and P2 and is available on our website.


Jay

Customer Service | Technical Support 3300 County Road 233, Florence, Texas 76527 O: 254-793-0150 | F: 254-793-0159"



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[grnamin]

Anybody have any info on an Acro P2 recall? I just read on article on VDMSR.COM about the P2 glass cracking during shooting.Emailed Aimpoint asking if there was a recall. I'm impressed with how quickly they respond to all my inquiries. Here's their reply...


------- Original Message --------
On May 31, 2022, 09:54, support@aimpoint.us < support@aimpoint.us> wrote:
No sir. That is incorrect. We do have a small number of sights that are being recalled. The recalled sight have a potential leakage problem. Nether of your sights are affected. I have the sight you are referring to from vdmsr.com in for service at this time and it had most definitely taken impact damage.

Service Team, Aimpoint US
_________________________
eCommerce

Aimpoint Inc
7309 Gateway Court, Manassas, VA 20109, USA
Phone: +1 (703) 263-9795
Fax: +1 (703) 263-9463
support@aimpoint.us
http://www.aimpoint.us/

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[Triarii]

Thx Grnamin. No problems with my P2 so far. Only about 600 rounds in but so far so good.

[CDFIII]

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Installed the P-2 Dawson plate for the Staccato today. Word of caution: the screws are too long and will contact the extractor in the channel. I had to file approximately 1 full thread off and it is good to go. Not a major issue but one to look for. On the plus side the new mount has bosses which is a welcomed addition.

[grnamin]

Thank you, CDFIII. I wonder why 3 more o-rings were added to the bottom of the mount. The rear sight no longer has a retaining screw. Can it still be drifted? Good catch on the screw contacting the extractor!

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[js475]

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Installed the P-2 Dawson plate for the Staccato today. Word of caution: the screws are too long and will contact the extractor in the channel. I had to file approximately 1 full thread off and it is good to go. Not a major issue but one to look for. On the plus side the new mount has bosses which is a welcomed addition.

I'm wondering if the MPS would fit that plate since the previous version did not. Is the "rail" on the right side of the plate cut all the way from front to back or only where the ACRO's clamp would go?

[CDFIII]

I'm wondering if the MPS would fit that plate since the previous version did not. Is the "rail" on the right side of the plate cut all the way from front to back or only where the ACRO's clamp would go?

It’s cut for the clamp area only similar to the P-1 mount cut.

[BWT]

Anybody have any info on an Acro P2 recall? I just read on article on VDMSR.COM about the P2 glass cracking during shooting.

It looks like they’ve had 10 total broken windows in the history of the optic (according to that article and his sources - I have no idea) and emailing aimpoint answered about his serial number not being affected. If I had an ACRO P2 - I’d just send in my serial number to customer service and ask if you were affected and if there is a recall.

http://www.vdmsr.com/2022/05/the-current-state-of-pistol-mounted-rds.html?m=1

ETA:

It appears none of the ones delivered to Strohman Enterprises were affected and I think a number of folks here would fall in that category.


I just confirmed with Aimpoint that none of the
P2's sold to us or drop shipped to any of our
agencies were in that category.
The recall is being taken care of and does not
apply to any of our customers.

I misspoke in the initial post - he emailed Strohman.

[CDFIII]

Thank you, CDFIII. I wonder why 3 more o-rings were added to the bottom of the mount. The rear sight no longer has a retaining screw. Can it still be drifted? Good catch on the screw contacting the extractor!

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Not sure on the additional O rings. My guess isto curb any movement, they also added some bosses. The rear is now adjustable via a two screw windage adjustment system.

[grnamin]

Pictures please of an Acro on a Sig P365X or XL if you have one.

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[vandal]

ACRO P-2 on G19.5 MOS with TangoDown plate. Feeling a lot of ejected case hits on the P2 during cycling. Odd since I've never had brass to face or as many hits when running RMR/509T. Maybe the extra weight is changing the timing/ejection?

[DriftinG Z32]

I have Glock 34 Gen5 with a ACRO P-2 mounted on a TD plate. The setup is new and about two months old. I have approximately 1500 rounds through it. So far I have no mounting or optic issues…knock on wood. Sighting in at 25 yards was fairly easy. With the setup I notice it doesn’t feed 114gr ammo reliably. With 124gr and 147gr I have no issues.

[Archer1440]

ACRO P-2 on G19.5 MOS with TangoDown plate. Feeling a lot of ejected case hits on the P2 during cycling. Odd since I've never had brass to face or as many hits when running RMR/509T. Maybe the extra weight is changing the timing/ejection?

Could be, given that it weighs about 1.2 ounces more than an RMR on an equivalent plate. Just as a starting point: What bullet mass are you running, and have you tried other bullet weights to see if that is related?

[HCM]

Pictures please of an Acro on a Sig P365X or XL if you have one.

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??

The ACRO is a “full sized” pistol optic. It would be wider than the slide on a slim pistol slide such as a SIG P365 series or Glock 43/43X/48.

Nor am I aware of anyone making an adaptor plate to mount an ACRO on a P365 series gun.

The best option for a P365X or XL optic at this time is the Holosun 407K.

[vandal]

Could be, given that it weighs about 1.2 ounces more than an RMR on an equivalent plate. Just as a starting point: What bullet mass are you running, and have you tried other bullet weights to see if that is related?

I’m a 147 in everything guy but I’ll try some 124 or 124+p to see what it does.

[grnamin]

??

The ACRO is a “full sized” pistol optic. It would be wider than the slide on a slim pistol slide such as a SIG P365 series or Glock 43/43X/48.

Nor am I aware of anyone making an adaptor plate to mount an ACRO on a P365 series gun.

The best option for a P365X or XL optic at this time is the Holosun 407K.I'm curious about it because Vulcan Machine Werks offers slide cut service for the P365...

https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/sig-sauer-aimpoint-optics/

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[HCM]

I'm curious about it because Vulcan Machine Werks offers slide cut service for the P365...

https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/sig-sauer-aimpoint-optics/

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It’s on there drop-down menu but if you try to select P 365 with aimpoint P1/P2 optic it says the selected combo is not available.

89844

You might want to contact them and see if it’s an oversight.

[grnamin]

I didn't catch that. Thank you!

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[BWT]

I have Glock 34 Gen5 with a ACRO P-2 mounted on a TD plate. The setup is new and about two months old. I have approximately 1500 rounds through it. So far I have no mounting or optic issues…knock on wood. Sighting in at 25 yards was fairly easy. With the setup I notice it doesn’t feed 114gr ammo reliably. With 124gr and 147gr I have no issues.

Has anyone else noticed a sensitivity with 115 gr 9mm in the ACRO P2?

I ask as a man with about 5-10 in stock notifications active.

[1Rangemaster]

Has anyone else noticed a sensitivity with 115 gr 9mm in the ACRO P2?

I ask as a man with about 5-10 in stock notifications active.

Reference the related post, I don’t know of any “114 grain” 9x19 ammo. That said, I have a fair amount of time(2+yrs.) on a G19&45 with a P1, and a few months with a P2 on a Gen5 19MOS. No issues with ammo from Winchester 115s to Aguila 124s to Hornady 135s(+P) to Winchester 147s, “Ranger” jhps and fmjs.
There’s more to the function/ejection/performance issues than just bullet weight. Projectile profile, shooter grip, stance, gun condition(clean&lubed or dry and dirty?), mag condition, etc. all will be factors.
All that said, for personal defense, I favor the heavier projectiles and higher pressures. Practice and matches, I’ll usually run lighter bullets because that’s what is on hand. Again, no function issues noted.

Edit to add: if you’re reloading ammo, I am no expert. But I would think one would have to approach factory loads for dependability, especially if you don’t screw with recoil springs, etc.

[dontshakepandas]

Has anyone else noticed a sensitivity with 115 gr 9mm in the ACRO P2?

I ask as a man with about 5-10 in stock notifications active.

I haven't had any issues with 115 gr 9mm in any of my 9mm MOS Glocks with the P2. I probably only have 1000 combined rounds at this point though.

[Savage Hands]

I'm curious about it because Vulcan Machine Werks offers slide cut service for the P365...

https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/sig-sauer-aimpoint-optics/

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I made a thread on the Acro attached to a Glock 43X/48 performed by ATEi and received no response, if it's an option than be the first one :cool:

[Wayne Dobbs]

I have over 10K of 115 and 124 grain loads of several different brands though two different Glock/ACRO demo pistols (one a G45, the other a G17). I've had one fail to fire round (dead primer) in the G45 and none in the G17. The guns are usually filthy, but wet with lube. The ACRO should have nothing to do with it from a reliability angle.

[CDFIII]

My experience with the Gen. 5 34 is that 115gr is week in the 34. It has been mentioned in previous posts on here by others as well. My 34 has had some issues with 115gr but it's fairly new. Switched to 124 and 147. No issues with those.

[Sero Sed Serio]

E-mailed Aimpoint about my P2 after seeing this thread, got a response within 12 hours: S/N # W5001202 from EuroOptic “good to go” re: recall.

[rathos]

Got the new P1-P2 plate for the Acro from Dawson. Was able to dial in my Acro P-2 in about 10 shots on my c2. Its odd how it sits higher than I thought it would on the mount, but it still sits pretty well in the holster and for whatever reason I seem to shoot it better than my P-duo with the 509T. Definitely a solid option for any one with a Staccato and the Acro P1 or P2.

[BWT]

I have over 10K of 115 and 124 grain loads of several different brands though two different Glock/ACRO demo pistols (one a G45, the other a G17). I've had one fail to fire round (dead primer) in the G45 and none in the G17. The guns are usually filthy, but wet with lube. The ACRO should have nothing to do with it from a reliability angle.

Thanks to you and others for the insight.

I don’t think bullet weight matters either typically (I’m quoting you Wayne and saying this but speaking to posters above yours) but typically 115 gr is on the lighter / plinking / target ammo where 124 grain and 147 grain are probably not as much (Federal USPSA ammo aside).

I figured just ask the question.

[DriftinG Z32]

Thanks to you and others for the insight.

I don’t think bullet weight matters either typically (I’m quoting you Wayne and saying this but speaking to posters above yours) but typically 115 gr is on the lighter / plinking / target ammo where 124 grain and 147 grain are probably not as much (Federal USPSA ammo aside).

I figured just ask the question.

While I respect your opinion, I can only speak on my results. I can tell you unequivocally that 115gr does not cycle reliably through my Gen5 34 with P-2 and 300U.

[Default.mp3]

While I respect your opinion, I can only speak on my results. I can tell you unequivocally that 115gr does not cycle reliably through my Gen5 34 with P-2 and 300U.The problem is, what 115 gr have you used? As noted, the issue isn't the weight of the bullet, but how hot it is loaded, along with some of the more nuanced issues listed. There is a huge difference in, say, Blazer Brass 115 gr and Lawman 115 gr; the latter is a full 75 FPS faster than the former on spec sheets, while also costing more. With my comped gun running an ACRO P-1 (haven't tried it yet with a P-2), I definitely had issues with the Blazer Brass with every mag, while the Lawman cycled vigorously and had zero issues over thousands of rounds (same with the Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics 115 gr which on paper is also at 1200 FPS like the Lawman).

[BWT]

While I respect your opinion, I can only speak on my results. I can tell you unequivocally that 115gr does not cycle reliably through my Gen5 34 with P-2 and 300U.

I’ll echo default.mp3 and ask what ammunition are you shooting?

I remember the Hk P30’s were the same way back when Todd was running the test. I do believe it was Blazer Ammunition.

ETA: I’m not saying your hiding anything or wrong - I’m just concerned and asked the clarifying question. I’m on a waiting list for one now and… I have a Glock 34 Gen 5 and Surefire 300U that it’s slated to go on ironically.

[Clusterfrack]

Glock 20 G4, milled by ATEI, with shimsight. Grizzly defense gun.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220624/9e100f12700781cf565e0df4ec5c6467.jpg
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[UNM1136]

Glock 20 G4, milled by ATEI, with shimsight. Grizzly defense gun.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220624/9e100f12700781cf565e0df4ec5c6467.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220624/f1a2e17965a288c84eee4b808ff67b58.jpg
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Finally, a common sense BUIS.

pat

[Clusterfrack]

Glock 20 G4, milled by ATEI, with shimsight. Grizzly defense gun.


The optic was almost perfectly centered when mounted on the slide. It took only a few clicks in elevation and windage to zero it at 10/25yds. That's a good milling job by ATEI (https://ateiguns.com).

I ended up swapping the taller front sight for my standard height Ameriglo Operator, to yield my preferred BUIS setup: POI in center of optic when irons are aligned at bottom of window.

[mrozowjj]

Sorry if this has been addressed already but anyone have real world experience with the battery life?

[SoCalDep]

Sorry if this has been addressed already but anyone have real world experience with the battery life?

I believe I’m just shy (maybe 1.5-2 weeks) of a year right now with mine. Original battery still going strong bouncing back and forth between the top three settings.

[GJM]

I just checked the Duracell battery on my P2, that has been on continuously two clicks below max brightness since mid to late December. Battery tester says 20 percent so I will change the battery. Seems like acceptable battery life.

This was my post on May7.

[TicTacticalTimmy]

Has anyone used the P2 for passive aiming?
Comparison to something like a Micro or AEMS for light transmossion?

Thinking about getting one for offset use on a rifle

[Erick Gelhaus]

Finally, a common sense BUIS.

pat

That Atei shim sight is freakin' amazing. I've got two slides cut that way and it is my preference for a BUIS. If I could retrofit my other dot pistols, principle wise, I would.

[grnamin]

Someone ought to come up with a rear adjustable sight that mounts to the Acro, similar to how the Tango Down lens guard secures to the sight.

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[CleverNickname]

It was relatively easy to find a P2 for sale about 1-2 months ago, but availability seems to have been pretty much nil since then. Does anyone have an idea as to how soon Aimpoint will send some more over?

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Has anyone used the P2 for passive aiming?
Comparison to something like a Micro or AEMS for light transmossion?

Thinking about getting one for offset use on a rifleI would say it's about on par with a T-2 and P-1.

[Casey]

It was relatively easy to find a P2 for sale about 1-2 months ago, but availability seems to have been pretty much nil since then. Does anyone have an idea as to how soon Aimpoint will send some more over?
I placed an order with Strohman two weeks ago, and this was the response I got: "We hope to be able to fulfill your order by the end of the summer." Good news is they're not charging my card until they are ready to ship.

[BWT]

I placed an order with Strohman two weeks ago, and this was the response I got: "We hope to be able to fulfill your order by the end of the summer." Good news is they're not charging my card until they are ready to ship.

Same.

[Default.mp3]

I placed an order with Strohman two weeks ago, and this was the response I got: "We hope to be able to fulfill your order by the end of the summer." Good news is they're not charging my card until they are ready to ship.End of summer being August, is what I was told; my assumption is that they're in the same batch as Wilson Combat's date of 2022-08-21 (or something like that, I'm going off memory) for estimated ship date.

[ssb]

UPS should have my ATEi slide to me tomorrow. I’m excited.

[BWT]

Contemplating out loud (via forum post). We know there was a small recall that seemingly has affected no one here. I wonder if that’s what slowed the train down. Or large sudden contracts for weapon optics in light of Russian non-sense.

[TC215]

Contemplating out loud (via forum post). We know there was a small recall that seemingly has affected no one here. I wonder if that’s what slowed the train down. Or large sudden contracts for weapon optics in light of Russian non-sense.

Very large federal agency is getting ACROs. I don’t know if the order has gone through yet, though.

[Caballoflaco]

Contemplating out loud (via forum post). We know there was a small recall that seemingly has affected no one here. I wonder if that’s what slowed the train down. Or large sudden contracts for weapon optics in light of Russian non-sense.


Very large federal agency is getting ACROs. I don’t know if the order has gone through yet, though.

The global supply chain and logistics in general are still pretty screwed. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to buy a car or lumber or electronics. Expecting delays on everything should be the consumer expectation for the next year at an overly optimistic minimum. Companies can’t build stuff if they can’t get raw materials or needed components at a steady rate.

[Archer1440]

Yeah. I ordered a new Toyota GR Supra last week, and the window for delivery is anything from 9-18 months. Which certainly complicates the value calculation of a trade in.

One of my engineering consultation clients is looking at six months of back orders for a sporting goods item that’s completely made in USA, and has zero electronic components.

Production and logistics have actually improved considerably and some commodity prices have actually decreased- but there’s a lot of inertia to overcome, labor availability is still a major issue, and other costs continue to soar.

[Wayne Dobbs]

The global supply chain and logistics in general are still pretty screwed. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to buy a car or lumber or electronics. Expecting delays on everything should be the consumer expectation for the next year at an overly optimistic minimum. Companies can’t build stuff if they can’t get raw materials or needed components at a steady rate.

This....big time.

[ssb]

90902

Fresh back from zeroing. Factory stainless slide milled by ATEi, using the shim sight as BUIS. It doesn’t present so high now, which is quite nice.

[Triarii]

Received my P2 from Strohman Enterprises in mid March. It's worked flawless so far after about 2500 rounds. Was looking through it yesterday and noticed some kind of lint-like material gathering in the interior of the optic. It hasn't received any damage/been used to clear malfunctions. Mailed it to Aimpoint Repair and they should receive it on Tues 7/5. Ill advise on how it goes. Tough to see the lint on the pic but here it is.

[GJM]

Typical Alaska weather day, with light rain and cool temps all day. I shot my 19 with the Acro for an hour in the rain, out of a Safariland RDS holster, then used Stihl power tools for an hour plus in the rain, wearing the Acro. Rain and plant debris all over me. The willows and alders were encroaching onto our helipad.

91065

[SeriousStudent]

I placed an order with Strohman two weeks ago, and this was the response I got: "We hope to be able to fulfill your order by the end of the summer." Good news is they're not charging my card until they are ready to ship.

I was told the same thing. I'm not worried, the Strohman family has always taken excellent care of my needs.

I've got the Aimpoint factory adapter plate coming, and am going to drop it on a Sig 320 full-size X-carry. This thing shoots like a laser, I am very impressed.

It is not taking the place of my Langdon Beretta's for carry, but should be a terrific teaching gun. Not a slight on Aimpoint or Sig, I just love what Ernest did on these guns.

[Triarii]

Just an update to my ACRO P2 issue. Aimpoint repair received my P2 on Tues 7/7. I went to my mailbox and there was a brand new P2 waiting for me. Pretty darn impressive customer service. Hopefully no problems with this one.

[Clusterfrack]

Received my P2 from Strohman Enterprises in mid March. It's worked flawless so far after about 2500 rounds. Was looking through it yesterday and noticed some kind of lint-like material gathering in the interior of the optic. It hasn't received any damage/been used to clear malfunctions. Mailed it to Aimpoint Repair and they should receive it on Tues 7/5. Ill advise on how it goes. Tough to see the lint on the pic but here it is.

I have one spec of the same stuff in the center of my rear lens. I'm going to wait to see if it gets worse. What material is this and where does it come from?

Good to hear (no surprise) that Aimpoint CS took care of you so quickly.

[Triarii]

I have one spec of the same stuff in the center of my rear lens. I'm going to wait to see if it gets worse. What material is this and where does it come from?

Good to hear (no surprise) that Aimpoint CS took care of you so quickly.

Not sure. Aimpoints return slip just said "dirt in lens" and they issued me a new optic. It didn't appear to be dirt, more like lint. Hopefully no further issues.

[Tokarev]

Yam throws in on the P2:


https://youtu.be/o7PrIAZE5QE

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[Tokarev]

Cowan sounds off on the P2:


https://youtu.be/_ul_ptv6VJs

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[grnamin]

Adding to CDFIII's post on the Dawson Staccato mounting plate version 2...

I decided to upgrade to the new plate (on the left)...
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-d5bVfks/0/a3ccbfe6/X3/i-d5bVfks-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FsZnHGH/0/ec491503/X3/i-FsZnHGH-X3.jpg

old thickness:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XqRfG9V/0/262d8f7f/X3/i-XqRfG9V-X3.jpg

new thickness:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-m3m8VjT/0/6f00b897/X3/i-m3m8VjT-X3.jpg

old mounting screw:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZtwwTHD/0/1c3039f6/X3/i-ZtwwTHD-X3.jpg

new mounting screw:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pmDFxGs/0/992608c3/X3/i-pmDFxGs-X3.jpg

Test fitted the new screw to see if it would contact the extractor. It went all the way in without contact:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rpsSSzk/0/34be3d9a/X3/i-rpsSSzk-X3.jpg

Adjusting the new rear sight is very easy. Just loosen the set screws about 4 threads, position it to where it co-witnesses with the dot and front sight, then tighten the screws...
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TdsT5cW/0/03e9cf2c/X3/i-TdsT5cW-X3.jpg

The new screws have witness divots, making them easier to mark...
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3Rt3nVZ/0/f28771ad/X3/i-3Rt3nVZ-X3.jpg

My only disappointment was that one of the new mounting screws was defective. Used an old one to secure the mount for the time being.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jqwmwS7/0/61b8aa8c/X2/i-jqwmwS7-X2.jpg

Hardly any difference in zero. Adjusted 6 clicks up for elevation and done!
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-btB5BcR/0/cb6c3f3f/X3/i-btB5BcR-X3.jpg

[karmapolice]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52228838402_c60a723774_b.jpg

500 rounds in, no issues so far and it is mounted with the updated Dawson plate.

[GJM]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52228838402_c60a723774_b.jpg

500 rounds in, no issues so far and it is mounted with the updated Dawson plate.

that pistol cost more than my first car. Do you carry collision liability and comprehensive on it?

:)

[karmapolice]

that pistol cost more than my first car. Do you carry collision liability and comprehensive on it?

:)

Haha same, full coverage on it like you said ;)

[GJM]

Haha same, full coverage on it like you said ;)

For what you have into your S set-up, I have this set-up!

91770

[Clusterfrack]

For what you have into your S set-up, I have this set-up!


Come on, GJM. If a Glock or USP 45 cost $5000, wouldn't you buy it anyway? I'd pay that for a ProGrade P-07 if necessary.

[karmapolice]

Come on, GJM. If a Glock or USP 45 cost $5000, wouldn't you buy it anyway? I'd pay that for a ProGrade P-07 if necessary.


My Staccato is just. P-DUO MSRP is $2399 ish lol I have Glocks to but I mean one of GJM's bush planes cost more than all my guns and my JL Jeep Rubicon lol

[GJM]

Come on, GJM. If a Glock or USP 45 cost $5000, wouldn't you buy it anyway? I'd pay that for a ProGrade P-07 if necessary.

I am just teasing Karma.

I compete with a 2011 Open gun now, and so the Staccato makes sense. However, I shoot a 19 with a comp better than my Staccato P, and the Glock is so much easier for me to have, accessorize, and maintain, that a bag full of 19/45 Glocks makes sense for me and my life.


My Staccato is just. P-DUO MSRP is $2399 ish lol I have Glocks to but I mean one of GJM's bush planes cost more than all my guns and my JL Jeep Rubicon lol

That really depends on what tires and mods you have on your Rubicon. :p

[Clusterfrack]

I am just teasing Karma.

I compete with a 2011 Open gun now, and so the Staccato makes sense. However, I shoot a 19 with a comp better than my Staccato P, and the Glock is so much easier for me to have, accessorize, and maintain, that a bag full of 19/45 Glocks makes sense for me and my life.


I knew you were... same here.

[karmapolice]

I am just teasing Karma.

I compete with a 2011 Open gun now, and so the Staccato makes sense. However, I shoot a 19 with a comp better than my Staccato P, and the Glock is so much easier for me to have, accessorize, and maintain, that a bag full of 19/45 Glocks makes sense for me and my life.



That really depends on what tires and mods you have on your Rubicon. :p

Hahaha I know just giving it back ;)

I love Glocks and 2011s. I still have my 45 with a comp/RDS, my 48 RDS, and a gen 4 34 with adjustable irons. Eventually I want a couple more Staccatos.

[dontshakepandas]

I took a picture showing how the Ameriglo Gl-429 sights cowitness with my P2s on my Glock MOS 19/45s with FCD plates and thought this could be helpful for people here also.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220727/5e88cbec7a74351ec4fa91372ba9ea16.jpg

I really like this sight picture with the sights as low in the window as possible while still being fully functional.

[Wayne Dobbs]

dontshakepandas: I call that a lower 1/4 co-witness when discussing the GL-429 set.

[DpdG]

I have a similarly set up G45/Aimpoint (B&T) plate with 10-8 irons- same sight picture as the 429s but gets you a set screw for the rear sight if you’re concerned about reports of the Ameriglo rears walking.

[GJM]

Not sure if that has been discussed, but here is an observation on the Acro in Safariland RDS holsters.

In most applications I prefer the rear sight in front of the optic, because it keeps the rear sight away from your clothing and puts the optic further away from ejection port blast. However, with the Acro, the optic rear placement doesn't work well with the hood on Safariland holsters. With the conventional MOS placement, the hood covers the Acro.

[Clusterfrack]

Thanks for that observation GJM. I’m still looking for a solution to protect the optic. One idea is a soft cover, connected to the holster or belt by a cord so it pulls off on the draw.

[Andy T]

I am looking for recommendations for RMR > Acro adapter as I have a Shadow Systems inbound and this the recommended way to mount Acro to it. I noticed Aimpoint makes one - p.n 200602, but doesn't appear to be widely stocked.

[GJM]

I am looking for recommendations for RMR > Acro adapter as I have a Shadow Systems inbound and this the recommended way to mount Acro to it. I noticed Aimpoint makes one - p.n 200602, but doesn't appear to be widely stocked.

I thought CHPWS is taking orders for an Acro plate for the Shadow Systems pistols.

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Got the flips lens caps, so now my Glock is ready to take Sims to the lens:
https://i.imgur.com/6I893Csh.jpg