Aimpoint ACRO P-2

[SoCalDep]

Hey everyone,

I recently obtained a sample Aimpoint ACRO P-2 and I figured I’d start a new thread about it since as we know, it’s got some serious updates from the P-1. While I was waiting for the M&P mounting plate I threw it on a Glock to do a little cold exposure test. The plate came in yesterday and I mounted it to my M&P M2.0 CORE. It’s resting while the threadlocker cures and I’ll be shooting it this week.

First, I’ll give the disclaimer… While probably obvious right now I didn’t buy this optic (they aren’t available yet) and it isn’t mine. It is one of two provided by Aimpoint for evaluation and feedback and will be returned once we’re finished running it. I have permission to post my experiences with no strings... good or bad. Some or lots of my comments will be statements from me as well as my partners. I will speak frankly, and my comments should be considered my own opinions and not those of my employer. I’m an ACRO fan (and Aimpoint overall) to begin with, so there’s also that.

http://i.imgur.com/HoCuFNF.jpg (https://imgur.com/HoCuFNF)

One P-2 is being used by my partner and I’ll address his initial thoughts in a bit. The other got thrown on a Glock 17MOS gen5 for some quick cold weather and condensation/fogging testing. I think this is important because while our needs in Southern California don’t generally require an optic to deal with high humidity and condensational fogging of the optic window, other areas do, and I like to see what worst case does. If I know worst case, I can plan for the rest of situations I may face. In addition, with Aimpoint going to the CR2032 and mounting it on the outside of the housing, I was wondering if the battery would be more susceptible to the cold. Duracell lists the low operating temperature for their 2032 batteries at negative four degrees.

The Glock/ACRO P-2 was placed in a chest freezer along with a remote thermometer and left from 1705hrs until 2102hrs (almost four hours). Upon removing the pistol/optic from the freezer, the temperature inside the freezer as indicated by the thermometer was minus 10 degrees Fahrenheit and the outside (ambient) temperature was 88 degrees Fahrenheit. Relative humidity was 31% for a dewpoint of 53.5 degrees. All condensation between -10 and 32 degrees formed as frost and after the optic reached that temperature condensation continued as water until the optic acclimated to at least 53.5 degrees.

http://i.imgur.com/SolBW22.jpg?1 (https://imgur.com/SolBW22)

I immediately checked the optic and found it to be activated and operating properly. I took the pistol out and condensation began almost immediately. The view through the window was occluded with condensational fogging within thirty seconds but the dot remained clear, crisp, and visible for the several minutes it took for the pistol to reach a high enough temperature for the condensation to stop. I’ve done this test several times with different optics, and it is one of the things that has really made me a fan of enclosed emitter optics for duty use.

The first picture is focusing on the optic while the second is focusing to infinity as you'd be looking through it.
http://i.imgur.com/L3CmO4M.jpg?3 (https://imgur.com/L3CmO4M)http://i.imgur.com/6b0M7Lx.jpg?2 (https://imgur.com/6b0M7Lx)

Some other initial thoughts:

The P-2 looks cooler than the P-1 with it’s deeper contoured housing, but overall seems slightly more bulky, particularly on the left side due to the thicker battery cap. It’s not a concern but when mounted it seemed off center until I realized it was the battery cap. On the other hand, the cross-bolt mounting screw is flat which is an improvement and the previous mounting screw protruded further than the current battery cap.

The P-2 has lower profile buttons. I was told this is to minimize the potential for accidentally hitting them and changing the setting. In addition, the buttons are moved to the forward portion of the housing. I like the brightness buttons on the P-1 but like these more since I run my optics at a single brightness setting and because they are much less likely to be hit while manipulating the slide.

The window is still super clear with no discernable distortion, and the brightness of the P-2 is much improved from the P-1. My partner’s first comment running the P-2 was “It feels weird to have to turn an ACRO 'down' in daylight". When using the P-1, I always run it on max. I haven’t shot the P-2 yet, but that simply won’t be the case, and I’m betting that will further help battery life.

http://i.imgur.com/kg0i55W.jpg?1 (https://imgur.com/kg0i55W)

I’m not a fan of the Aimpoint M&P mounting plate. The plate can be moved forward and backward in the slide cut and I’ve seen them come loose. That said, we were mounting optics differently when that was happening so I figure I’ll give it a try. I degreased everything (slide, plate, and screws), used alloy steel screws from McMaster-Carr, and I used a 6-32 x 3/8” screw instead of the supplied 6-32 x 5/16” screws supplied by Aimpoint. I don’t know if that will make a difference, but it gives more thread engagement surface area for the Loctite 248 threadlocker. I torqued a few extra (18 total) inch pounds as well. We’ll see.

http://i.imgur.com/xXcYdqH.jpg (https://imgur.com/xXcYdqH)

[GJM]

Wish I could give this 10 Likes!

[Doc_Glock]

Well done keep it coming!

[Wayne Dobbs]

Outstanding comments, Trey! Keep 'em coming!

ACRO P-2 is a completely new optic, not just the old one with a new battery. The battery, battery compartment, switch, housing, lens system and emitter are all brand new and it shows big time in the samples I've dealt with. Pistol Mounted Optics (PMO) are clearly the great leap forward and the improvement in both the training world and operational performance in OIS's is a verifiable fact.

[Triarii]

Big fan of the P-1 (minus the battery life). I've ordered the P-2, any idea if it has the same mount system? I have a C&H Glock plate that I red Loctited my P-1 too and I really don't want to try and take that off.

[SoCalDep]

The P-2 is the same mounting system as the P-1.

[Triarii]

Thx SoCal. Hopefully it’ll ship soon. I’m hearing end of summer.

[Magsz]

Outstanding comments, Trey! Keep 'em coming!

ACRO P-2 is a completely new optic, not just the old one with a new battery. The battery, battery compartment, switch, housing, lens system and emitter are all brand new and it shows big time in the samples I've dealt with. Pistol Mounted Optics (PMO) are clearly the great leap forward and the improvement in both the training world and operational performance in OIS's is a verifiable fact.

Please convince my department that a closed emitter sight is pretty darned close to a requirement in an environment like Florida. Maybe you know a voodoo shaman or something that could get through to them? :)

Our training division does not seem to understand that humidity plus A/C plus a singular window means an occluded optic 99% of the time we exit our vehicles.

As the French say...Le Sigh...

[Mjolnir]

Awesome.

It’s still ugly as sin but so is my Glock so... [emoji2375]

I’m all ears.


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[LittleLebowski]

Well done keep it coming!

This. Have a Site Supporter membership on me, SoCalDep.

[SoCalDep]

This. Have a Site Supporter membership on me, SoCalDep.

Wow… Thank you Sir! I’m humbled.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Wish I could give this 10 Likes!

Part of me agrees, part of me hates' that I'll be waiting for quite a while to get mine. :(

SoCalDep - as always, thank you for the information.

[Wayne Dobbs]

This. Have a Site Supporter membership on me, SoCalDep.

And there's not a better guy to give it to LL!

[AMC]

What holsters are you trying this combo with, SoCalDep?

[SoCalDep]

What holsters are you trying this combo with, SoCalDep?

I tried it in a Safariland 6360 with the optic cover removed and it fit and worked fine, but I'm running a US Duty Gear US-80. We tested it and I really like them. I bought one each for Glock 34, M&P 2.0 Optic, and Staccato with optic. This week's schedule was pretty busy so I didn't have time to zero the M&P with the ACRO so I'll have to do that next week, but I did shoot the P-2 on my partner's Staccato C2 and I love the combo.

[AMC]

I tried it in a Safariland 6360 with the optic cover removed and it fit and worked fine, but I'm running a US Duty Gear US-80. We tested it and I really like them. I bought one each for Glock 34, M&P 2.0 Optic, and Staccato with optic. This week's schedule was pretty busy so I didn't have time to zero the M&P with the ACRO so I'll have to do that next week, but I did shoot the P-2 on my partner's Staccato C2 and I love the combo.

We just last week got two of their US-60 holsters in for T&E. Essentially an SLS clone, correct? Similar to the old Safariland 6200 series. I don't particularly like the totally exposed optic on those holsters. The US-80 at least has the holster body protecting the optic housing from most impacts.

Still liking the Blackhawk T Series L3D holster best of all. A bit bulky, but decent security and a super smooth, fast draw. And just about anything is better that the 7360 7TS holsters for a 320 w/weaponlight that we've tried.

[HCM]

I tried it in a Safariland 6360 with the optic cover removed and it fit and worked fine, but I'm running a US Duty Gear US-80. We tested it and I really like them. I bought one each for Glock 34, M&P 2.0 Optic, and Staccato with optic. This week's schedule was pretty busy so I didn't have time to zero the M&P with the ACRO so I'll have to do that next week, but I did shoot the P-2 on my partner's Staccato C2 and I love the combo.

Any chance you could try a an M&P 2.0 or 2.0 CORE in the US Duty gear holster ?

Apparently the 2.0 40 is just smidge bigger than the 9mm, enough to cause fit issues with some of the Safariland M&P RDS holsters.

[jlw]

I tried it in a Safariland 6360 with the optic cover removed and it fit and worked fine, but I'm running a US Duty Gear US-80. We tested it and I really like them. I bought one each for Glock 34, M&P 2.0 Optic, and Staccato with optic. This week's schedule was pretty busy so I didn't have time to zero the M&P with the ACRO so I'll have to do that next week, but I did shoot the P-2 on my partner's Staccato C2 and I love the combo.


We just last week got two of their US-60 holsters in for T&E. Essentially an SLS clone, correct? Similar to the old Safariland 6200 series. I don't particularly like the totally exposed optic on those holsters. The US-80 at least has the holster body protecting the optic housing from most impacts.

Still liking the Blackhawk T Series L3D holster best of all. A bit bulky, but decent security and a super smooth, fast draw. And just about anything is better that the 7360 7TS holsters for a 320 w/weaponlight that we've tried.

I sent U.S. Duty Gear an email this morning and received a phone call in response. I was inquiring about a holster for a pistol/optic but no light. They don't have such a holster on their webpage, but they will make one on request.

Also, he said they would be releasing a level-III similar to an SLS/ALS within a month.

[GJM]

I sent U.S. Duty Gear an email this morning and received a phone call in response. I was inquiring about a holster for a pistol/optic but no light. They don't have such a holster on their webpage, but they will make one on request.

Also, he said they would be releasing a level-III similar to an SLS/ALS within a month.

Is there a separate thread on PF on US Duty Gear RDS retention holsters? If not, seems like there should be.

[Tokarev]

Is there a separate thread on PF on US Duty Gear RDS retention holsters? If not, seems like there should be.Oops. Just started one over in the holster section.

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[The Expat Gunner]

Great overview and your observations from your initial testing echo my own thoughts with regards to the ACRO P-2.

I have also been lucky enough to get early access to one of two ACRO P-2 sample units from the official Aimpoint distributor here in Estonia. Having already owned the ACRO-P1 they reached out to me and asked if I would like to take one for review, of course I said yes and have been running it since 20th of July.

Like you I also noticed that the P-2 was thicker on the left side, you can tell when you look at the ACRO's overhang from the slide on each side. I compare it directly to the P-1 and it protrudes about 1mm more on the left, but its negligible and just born of the new design. The new controls are a welcome change and I prefer the new digital buttons compared to the original controls which sometimes caused me to accidentally change the brightness settings when manipulating the slide.

Aimpoint claim the ACRO P-2 is brighter by up to 30% and this is certainly apparently when you run the ACRO P-2 and P-1 side by side, I would say setting 7 on the P-2 is equivalent to setting 8 on the P-1 and settings 8 and 9 are plenty for even the brightest of days. If Aimpoint can deliver on their promise of 5 years continuous on setting 6/10 with the CR2032, then I expect the ACRO P-2 will become the professional choice for enclosed emitter designs.

Anyway I'm glad to have one, I feel its certainly a major step up, the improved battery life, controls and brighter diode make this a worthy upgrade in mu opinion.

if you'd like to see it up close, check out my Youtube Channel, I posted the first quick look video there and I'm about to release another shortly with it mounted to my Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS.https://i.imgur.com/E8XdNuN.jpg

[js475]

Any updates on a release timeframe for these? I recall the initial estimate being late August.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Great overview and your observations from your initial testing echo my own thoughts with regards to the ACRO P-2.

I have also been lucky enough to get early access to one of two ACRO P-2 sample units from the official Aimpoint distributor here in Estonia. Having already owned the ACRO-P1 they reached out to me and asked if I would like to take one for review, of course I said yes and have been running it since 20th of July.

Like you I also noticed that the P-2 was thicker on the left side, you can tell when you look at the ACRO's overhang from the slide on each side. I compare it directly to the P-1 and it protrudes about 1mm more on the left, but its negligible and just born of the new design. The new controls are a welcome change and I prefer the new digital buttons compared to the original controls which sometimes caused me to accidentally change the brightness settings when manipulating the slide.

Aimpoint claim the ACRO P-2 is brighter by up to 30% and this is certainly apparently when you run the ACRO P-2 and P-1 side by side, I would say setting 7 on the P-2 is equivalent to setting 8 on the P-1 and settings 8 and 9 are plenty for even the brightest of days. If Aimpoint can deliver on their promise of 5 years continuous on setting 6/10 with the CR2032, then I expect the ACRO P-2 will become the professional choice for enclosed emitter designs.

Anyway I'm glad to have one, I feel its certainly a major step up, the improved battery life, controls and brighter diode make this a worthy upgrade in mu opinion.

if you'd like to see it up close, check out my Youtube Channel, I posted the first quick look video there and I'm about to release another shortly with it mounted to my Glock 17 Gen 5 MOS.https://i.imgur.com/E8XdNuN.jpg

Which BUIS are you running on that pistol?

[The Expat Gunner]

Which BUIS are you running on that pistol?


Hi Wayne, I’m running the Ameriglo GL-429 XL suppressor height sights. Kept it nice and simple this way.

[The Expat Gunner]

Any updates on a release timeframe for these? I recall the initial estimate being late August.

My source on the inside confirmed there is no update for public availability at this time. All initial shipments are going to Mil/LE only!

It was suggested back in May that we could see them start to ship in August, but with today’s update I expect this may push back at least a month or two.

Anyway, I’ll keep checking periodically and post updates when more information becomes available.

I can tell you, based on my experience with the ACRO P-2 so far it’s definitely worth the wait.

[1Rangemaster]

A nearby department had one for T&E, and I and others took the opportunity to work with a P-2 a bit. I’ll echo basically what The Expat Gunner said: the P-2 appears to be a significant improvement in several areas. First, agreement on the brightness increase. I did a side-by-side comparison with the P-1 I run on my personal 19, and I would say his “comparison is spot on; “7” on the P-2 is like an “8” on the original. “10” is almost too bright to my eyes, even in summer sun. Mounting is the same system of a crossbar, which is excellent. Aimpoint is now specifying 25-26 inch pounds on that outside screw if I understand correctly. Of course, the screws should have some sort of thread locker also.
Concur also that the battery cover protrudes very slightly on the left as the shooter views it, but it becomes unnoticeable when shooting. The cover is a tough plastic material, which is an improvement to my eyes. The earlier metal cover shows wear as one changes batteries monthly. The 2032 fits tightly in its compartment. Some care would seem prudent rescrewing the cap on-the threads are fine. The plastic edge of the Aimpoint tool fits in the slot to tighten. The adjustment screws and the mounting screw are T10 torx. That commonality is smart and appreciated.
The glass seems a little clearer to these “mature” eyes. The assembly also seems improved; a couple of the earlier 1s we have around had some slight sealant(?)at the very edge, but the P-2 in this one example is perfect.
We shot from 3 yards to 50; all hits when we did our part. The control pad is better in the sense that one has to be deliberate in changing intensity-the cap protects it and there is a tactile “click” when changing. The minus button turns it off; either will turn it on. If anything, the pad seems more resistant to wear, etc. The P-2 appears to be as tough or tougher than the original. Wayne Dobbs, we’ll buy some-where do we send the money?!?

[VK01]

For anyone that has an ATEI milled Glock for the ACRO with irons forward, are there any issues with the irons forward interfering with the Safariland ALS mechanism in the RDS holsters?

[Archer1440]

The cover is a tough plastic material, which is an improvement to my eyes. The earlier metal cover shows wear as one changes batteries monthly.

Interesting design choice. Just to be clear, is this a plastic cover over a metal inner liner? And if so, are the threads on the liner? Or are the threads polymer too?

[1Rangemaster]

Sorry that was unclear. It is a plastic cover over a metal cap. The threads are metal, but pretty fine, so I think a little care in screwing it back on is warranted. As stated, I like it better than the earlier style.

[Default.mp3]

Any updates on a release timeframe for these? I recall the initial estimate being late August.Strohman Enterprises told me they expected a mid-SEPT receipt date for their first batch. Fingers crossed I'm in that batch.

[HeavyDuty]

Does anyone have suggestions for where a P-2 can be preordered? I’m not a candidate for many retailers, my prior .gov service doesn’t qualify. Also curious what is considered to be decent pricing for non-LE.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Does anyone have suggestions for where a P-2 can be preordered? I’m not a candidate for many retailers, my prior .gov service doesn’t qualify. Also curious what is considered to be decent pricing for non-LE.

You may qualify for the Aimpoint LE/Gov program, as it's very "inclusive". Look at the program at:

https://aimpoint.us/law--enforcement-military-discount/

[HeavyDuty]

You may qualify for the Aimpoint LE/Gov program, as it's very "inclusive". Look at the program at:

https://aimpoint.us/law--enforcement-military-discount/

I don’t fit well into the stated guidelines, but I did reach out anyways. I haven’t had much luck qualifying anywhere since I took medical retirement. Thanks for the lead!

[vcdgrips]

https://www.strohmanenterprise.com/

You may to reach out directly first but I would be surprised if they did not treat you well.

[CS Tactical]

I don’t fit well into the stated guidelines, but I did reach out anyways. I haven’t had much luck qualifying anywhere since I took medical retirement. Thanks for the lead!


We also have them on order and can provide some Pistol-Forum pricing for members here via PM :)

[CakeEater]

You may qualify for the Aimpoint LE/Gov program, as it's very "inclusive". Look at the program at:

https://aimpoint.us/law--enforcement-military-discount/

Thanks for the link! Looking forward to taking advantage of this program.

[rayrevolver]

Does anyone have suggestions for where a P-2 can be preordered? I’m not a candidate for many retailers, my prior .gov service doesn’t qualify. Also curious what is considered to be decent pricing for non-LE.

EuroOptic has them for $510.06, pre-order, free shipping. I have been looking at that for a while now but have not executed the purchase.

https://www.eurooptic.com/Aimpoint-ACRO-P-2-35MOA-Reflex-Sight-200691.aspx?LineItemId=5ba9d2fa-25e3-47d2-ab78-4f393e4f98a5

If you can find a better price for civilians, let me know! When I get close to buying one I will reach out to the sponsors and see what happens.

First step is getting a 2011 slide milled, either direct for ACRO (which I want to do, but based on gun/red dot ADD, might not be the best path) or with the STI DUO system + CHPWS plates.

[MistWolf]

EuroOptic has them for $510.06, pre-order, free shipping. I have been looking at that for a while now but have not executed the purchase.

https://www.eurooptic.com/Aimpoint-ACRO-P-2-35MOA-Reflex-Sight-200691.aspx?LineItemId=5ba9d2fa-25e3-47d2-ab78-4f393e4f98a5

...plus $10 for shipping insurance, plus tax.

That didn't stop me from ordering one. PayPal Four Pay helped lessen the sting a bit.

[dontshakepandas]

Wayne Dobbs Any idea when we'll be able to order the lens caps?

[Wayne Dobbs]

Wayne Dobbs Any idea when we'll be able to order the lens caps?

Not yet...

[dontshakepandas]

Well.. I “accidentally” ordered a T2 to use on my B&T so I guess I’ll need to get a slide milled for the P-2 I have preordered. At least I won’t have to worry about getting the lens caps for the Acro.

Is Jagerwerks the only option for doing the Acro cut with the rear sight behind the optic? Anybody know of Acro ready gen 5 aftermarket slides?

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

Are these hitting market yet? Finally ready to jump on the red dot pistol bandwagon after all these years watching on the sidelines waiting for the right optic solution, seems that by now Aimpoint has it about right in the 2.0 release.

[DpdG]

Does not appear to be shipping yet. Have 2 on order through IOP program with Strohman, last I spoke with them the word was “we’re hoping for September-October window.”

[HeavyDuty]

Keep hoping to see other people getting shipping notices.

[HeavyDuty]

*Glances at calendar and sighs*

[Wayne Dobbs]

*Glances at calendar and sighs*

Patience...

[HeavyDuty]

Patience...

… is a virtue I sometimes lack.

[dontshakepandas]

… is a virtue I sometimes lack.

I never had any to start with. I want my tiny mailbox!

[SLUZENE]

I would love to see an Acro P2 in 2MOA and 1MOA. Is that also in the works? If I wanted bigger than 2MOA, i'd rather turn up the brightness than buy a separate 3.25MOA optic. #stopbeingpoor (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=stopbeingpoor)

[Erick Gelhaus]

I would love to see an Acro P2 in 2MOA and 1MOA. Is that also in the works? If I wanted bigger than 2MOA, i'd rather turn up the brightness than buy a separate 3.25MOA optic. #stopbeingpoor (https://pistol-forum.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=stopbeingpoor)


Alright, I'll ask ... Why? What 2moa optics have you used and how has the performance improved? I'm genuinely curious if that size is better.

[HCM]

Alright, I'll ask ... Why? What 2moa optics have you used and how has the performance improved? I'm genuinely curious if that size is better.

The only argument for smaller dots (1 MOA) is some users with astigmatism report it gives them a cleaner dot.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I was hoping to hear from the OP. I've got two, yes two, astigmatisms ... I see the 3.25 dot fine. Now, T1s/T2s are a wee bit different story.

[SoCalDep]

I used a Tasco Optima 2000 back around 2001 and never noticed an issue with the dot. As I got older I noticed my vision at night deteriorated to the point I ended up needing glasses while working early mornings in order to see license plates at anything beyond bumper distances. My daytime vision took longer to suck. While I’m certainly not blind, my vision is nowhere near what it was 20 years ago. To describe it, it seems my uncorrected focus is about at the front sight.

This worked great for me for years. When people say “focus on your front sight” it was almost impossible for me not to. Even staring at the target (which made the pistol/sights do that transparent thing) the sights were still crisp. I usually shot irons with a target focus because it really didn’t matter to me.

With the dot and my current uncorrected vision the target is blurry and the dot is blurry. When I picked up my first RM02 back in 2017 I thought it was defective - until I put on my glasses... and I was immediately jealous of people with non-defective eyeballs.

I currently have all three RMR dot sizes (1.0, 3.25, and 6.5) two SRO sizes (1.0 and 2.5 - and we tested the 5.0 with a lot of rounds down range), two 2.5moa DeltaPoint Pros, several 2MOA Holosun, some that I run circle-only with, an 8MOA ring Holosun 407CO, an original ACRO P-1 and a P-2 that a buddy is running right now.

Of all of them, my absolute favorite is the 1.0MOA. The reason it’s my favorite is because corrected it’s a nice dot that, when bright, works great for fast stuff and covers less of the target... which for me isn’t a precision thing - it’s a vision and attention thing. I corrected it’s a smaller blur and is less “annoying” than bigger dots.

Speaking of which - I can get away with almost any size reticle as “acceptable” to me in bright daylight conditions as they all appear fairly clear. Things start to change and the various reticle blur and distort to varying degrees as soon as light drops to indoor conditions or lower.

Here’s some of my other thoughts regarding the different reticles:

I don’t like the Holosun circle-dot because it’s too busy, blocks too much of the target, and with uncorrected vision in anything but bright light is a HUGE blur.

I absolutely love the 407CO 8moa ring with corrected vision or bright daylight uncorrected. It’s horrible uncorrected in other light.

I like the Holosun 2moa dot better than the Leupold 2moa dot. It’s clearer to me and less distorted in low light uncorrected. Don’t know why.

Two dots from different samples of the same optic (ie: 6.5moa RMRs) can look totally different, and it seems to me that there’s more variation in the bigger dot’s than the smaller dots.

I like the Holosun “circle-only” 32moa ring. I haven’t done a ton of shooting with it compared to dot reticles, but it facilitates/encourages a target-focus better than a dot, is plenty accurate for about anything I’d do with an optic, is distinct enough even uncorrected in lower light, and minimizes the potential of false dots due to glare confusing the user. The only reason I haven’t shot it more is that most of my optics use dots and that’s my tactical safe space... creature of habit and all...

Of the 3-3.5moa optics, the ACRO has the clearest dot for me. If there were options for smaller (1.0 or 2.0moa) dots I’d certainly want to try them and would likely prefer them for me over the current size. That said, given the advantages of the ACRO in other ways, it’s the optic on the G19MOS I carry every day.

In summary (TL/DR... I get it), all the descriptive words I used (horrible, huge, blur, clear, distinct, etc.) are what I perceive and prefer (or don’t). All of you are not me and therefore everything I’ve said above may not apply. I can’t stand when some “expert” says “you should use ______ dot size (or type)” or that “____ dot is better than ___ dot” for whatever purpose like speed or precision. A 6.5moa dot is pretty damn precise. A 1.0moa dot is plenty fast. It’s individual eyeballs and perceptions and applications (competition in a controlled environment, carry, home-defense, etc.) that should be considered when making a choice.

[KevH]

"I like the Holosun 2moa dot better than the Leupold 2moa dot. It’s clearer to me and less distorted in low light uncorrected. Don’t know why."

"Two dots from different samples of the same optic (ie: 6.5moa RMRs) can look totally different, and it seems to me that there’s more variation in the bigger dot’s than the smaller dots."

"It’s individual eyeballs and perceptions and applications (competition in a controlled environment, carry, home-defense, etc.) that should be considered when making a choice."

Totally this.

I have 20/30 vision in both eyes and also have an astigmatism. All dots to me look like two dots with one slightly higher and to the left (they touch forming an "8" I suppose). Corrected (wearing glasses) it's much less offensive, but since I tend not to wear glasses most of the time I've learned to live with it. I first noticed this using Aimpoints and (at the time) Bushnell Holosights (EOTechs) about twenty years ago.

I've taken RDO's to the optometrist with me. There is no way to correct it to a 100% perfect dot for me. There will always be some level of distortion.

Different dots to me look better or worse by individual optic and are dependent upon lighting condition. I have a 6moa RM07 I love since it works well for me in bright daylight, in dusk settings and also in the dark with white light. I also really like most of the 2moa only Holosun dots. My 2.5moa DPP is pretty bad in dim lighting, but still useable. YMMV...

I've learned to sight in with corrected vision as precisely as I can at 25 yards using cut up 1" x 1" pieces of 3x5 cards from a bench. Once that's done, shooting uncorrected at most distances no matter how distorted the dot is doesn't seem to matter as I'm target focused. It works for me, but may or may not work for anyone else.

I've also noticed I cannot simply pick up someone else's pistol with an optic and shoot it well nor can they necessarily pick up mine. I first noticed this about six years ago. A good friend was shooting a plate rack with great consistency at the 25 yard like with an RM06 mounted on a Glock 34. He handed me the gun and I couldn't hit a single plate. All shots were landing inches off to the right. I used his irons on the gun and did just fine. I've experimented with this quite a bit. Unlike iron sights which seem to be universal with a pistol, what is zero'ed for you with an electronic dot may not be for me and vice versa. I think it's probably astigmatism related, but eye/optic interaction is not universal. We all see and perceive the dot and it's location differently (kind of like a Rorschach test).

So when it comes to dot size and recommending a reticle or optic I think it's highly subjective comes down to individual eye characteristics and preference.

[SLUZENE]

Alright, I'll ask ... Why? What 2moa optics have you used and how has the performance improved? I'm genuinely curious if that size is better.

It seems SoCalDep above might have similar reasons to myself regarding astigmatism and liking smaller dots?

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Good question. I should have stated some reasons. It's more for perceived versatility than me thinking I would be somehow "outshooting" a 3.25MOA dot P-2. I generally go with the flow as a 9mm glock CCW kind of person. I neither have the money or time to experiment much (in the form of buying a lot of different optics) and go beyond the typical go-to recipes for combative arms. A 2MOA P-2 seems then like a mini T-2. If someone has a good case study for dots being bigger than 2MOA being the recommended go-to for pistols, I would genuinely like to see it. I think Aaron Cowan is one who's already shifted to a 1MOA dot on his primary carry pistol optic.

Are dots bigger than 2MOA on pistols from a basis of data, marketing, consumer popularity or a fourth variable/mixture thereof? 2MOA seems to be favored here as well: https://www.aimpoint.com/products/red-dot-sights

I would say my main concern is more for versatility regarding the idea of having an ACRO P-2 float from pistols, to carbines/shotguns. Hence my "poor" hashtag. (I don't see many people running single dot 3.25MOA dots on their carbines 2015-2021). If the T2 is 2MOA for it's current standard, why not a 2MOA P-2?

With the battery compartment on the side, and now with improved battery life and more common CR2032 in use I keep going back to the idea that should I want a brighter dot, I can bump up the brightness a bit.

But for $500 I not only received an RMR, but I received a free astigmatism diagnosis too. If I could peer behind a 3.25MOA P-2 and it wouldn't starfish like my 1MOA RMR, then sign me up! Hell, my 1MOA RMR is probably bigger than a 3.25MOA dot with my screwy defective eyeballs.
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[Erick Gelhaus]

SLUZENE & SoCalDep - thanks for those answers. Reference the T1/T2 dots, I was at Aimpoint with the 4MOA T1s; just never saw the benefit with my eyes and roles for the 2MOA dot. Haven't spent time with a 1MOA anything.

[SLUZENE]

[...]
With the battery compartment on the side, and now with improved battery life and more common CR2032 in use I keep going back to the idea that should I want a brighter dot, I can bump up the brightness a bit.
[...]

Correction: With the battery compartment on the side, and now with improved battery life and more common CR2032 in use I keep going back to the idea that should I want a BIGGER dot, I can bump up the brightness a bit.

[TCinVA]

We are rapidly running out of October.

[joshs]

Are dots bigger than 2MOA on pistols from a basis of data, marketing, consumer popularity or a fourth variable/mixture thereof? 2MOA seems to be favored here as well: https://www.aimpoint.com/products/red-dot-sights

It’s likely based off what works best in USPSA Open and CO divisions. There’s definitely a strong preference for bigger dots amongst nearly all USPSA dot shooters. Personally, I think bigger dots are easier to pick up at a brightness that doesn’t distract from staying target focused. Just turning up the brightness tends to distract me from full “dot zen mode” where I just perceive the dot and the target spot.

[Nephrology]

We are rapidly running out of October.

I emailed Strohman's and was told " Unfortunately, we have no news. Potential talks of beginning of 2022 end of 2021. Major bummer, I am sorry! If you need a refund please let me know."

I'm just going to hang out on the waitlist as the gun is already cut and I am in no major rush to get it. Oh Aimpoint...

[CS Tactical]

Unfortunately delays and possible price increases from various manufacturers (Not referring to the Acro) is going to be the norm for awhile :(

[BobM]

I emailed Strohman's and was told " Unfortunately, we have no news. Potential talks of beginning of 2022 end of 2021. Major bummer, I am sorry! If you need a refund please let me know."

I'm just going to hang out on the waitlist as the gun is already cut and I am in no major rush to get it. Oh Aimpoint...

That’s disappointing, I’m waiting on one from there also.

[HeavyDuty]

I keep hoping to see LE members here get theirs…

[Erick Gelhaus]

Apparently, some are coming into the commercial market ever so slowly. Always interesting to see them appear on various people's social media.

[HeavyDuty]

Apparently, some are coming into the commercial market ever so slowly. Always interesting to see them appear on various people's social media.

That’s a good sign!

[js475]

Well, we're in December now. Any updates on availability?

[CS Tactical]

Well, we're in December now. Any updates on availability?


Negative, we will announce them once they are shipping to us.

[GJM]

I came home to find the new Steiner optic had arrived. The display is better than the Acro.

[GJM]

I came home to find the new Steiner optic had arrived. The display is better than the Acro.

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[Nephrology]

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Does it use the same cut as the ACRO P series?

[GJM]

Does it use the same cut as the ACRO P series?

Yes.

Here is a PDP with an Acro on a Chip Wiz plate.

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I just pulled the Acro off, and put the Steiner on. The Steiner seems to have more thread engagement.

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Reference BUIS height and integration, here is the Acro with regular height Glock sights as BUIS.

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Here is the Steiner with the same sights.

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Really looking forward to putting rounds down range with the Steiner this week.

[Nephrology]

Ooh.

[GearFondler]

Looks great... Just watch out for low bridges and tunnels.

[Nephrology]

Just noticed - on Steiner's website, they say 13k hours at "medium brightness" which is roughly equivalent to Aimpoint's "1.5 year on setting 6" on the P-1 webpage. Would be curious to hear your real world experience with the Steiner's battery life. Definitely the 1632 will do better than the 1225, curious by how much...

[GJM]

Just noticed - on Steiner's website, they say 13k hours at "medium brightness" which is roughly equivalent to Aimpoint's "1.5 year on setting 6" on the P-1 webpage. Would be curious to hear your real world experience with the Steiner's battery life. Definitely the 1632 will do better than the 1225, curious by how much...

I need to start posting this in the Steiner thread. I plan to try the dot in a low sun angle ASAP. Will leave the optic turned on, to test battery life. Compared to the P1, the dot seems one click brighter. Window feels closer to a 509T V2 in size.

Trying to reconcile the display difference, given the Steiner and Acro are described as having the same size display. Perhaps the Acro measurement is of the sacrificial lens, which appears larger than the inner lens.

[Wayne Dobbs]

ACRO P-2 is 50K hours at setting 6...

[CleverNickname]

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How's the battery life? It uses a smaller battery than the P2.

[GJM]

How's the battery life? It uses a smaller battery than the P2.

It has lasted the three hours I have had it fired up. Will just leave it on and see.

[Doc_Glock]

Yes.

Here is a PDP with an Acro on a Chip Wiz plate.

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I just pulled the Acro off, and put the Steiner on. The Steiner seems to have more thread engagement.

The Steiner mounts to the Acro footprint? It is unclear on their website. They say "multiple mounting options"

Edit: In the Q and A on their website they say it mounts to Acro and Doctor (Fastfire) footprints.

[Nephrology]

Google tells me the capacity of the 1632 should be a little over double that of the 1225 so I’m hopeful for a similar increase in battery life

[GJM]

Just back from the range. After my practice session with an SRO, went to zero the new Steiner. Short story is that it won't hold a windage zero. Need to call their CS-- disappointing as there is a lot to like about this optic.

[Wayne Dobbs]

Google tells me the capacity of the 1632 should be a little over double that of the 1225 so I’m hopeful for a similar increase in battery life

You can get a decent relative difference in the capacity of various coin style batteries with some simple math and knowledge of the scheme on the battery number designation. So, take the standard 2032 battery and know that the first two numbers are the diameter of the battery in millimeters, while the second two numbers are to have a decimal point between them and are the thickness in millimeters of the battery.

Thus, a 2032's relative capacity is the standard circle area formula (pi x radius squared) x thickness. So, a 2032's relative volume is 10 x 10 x 3.1416 x 3.2 = 1005.312

A 1225 is 6 x 6 x 3.1416 x 2.5 = 282.744, which makes the 2032 have about 3.55 times the capacity of the 1225. Hope this is useful!

[Nephrology]

Just back from the range. After my practice session with an SRO, went to zero the new Steiner. Short story is that it won't hold a windage zero. Need to call their CS-- disappointing as there is a lot to like about this optic.

That cools my enthusiasm a little bit. Will wait until they have more field testing til I spring for one. Was thinking of flipping at least one P-1 for one of these, now glad I waited.


You can get a decent relative difference in the capacity of various coin style batteries with some simple math and knowledge of the scheme on the battery number designation. So, take the standard 2032 battery and know that the first two numbers are the diameter of the battery in millimeters, while the second two numbers are to have a decimal point between them and are the thickness in millimeters of the battery.

Thus, a 2032's relative capacity is the standard circle area formula (pi x radius squared) x thickness. So, a 2032's relative volume is 10 x 10 x 3.1416 x 3.2 = 1005.312

A 1225 is 6 x 6 x 3.1416 x 2.5 = 282.744, which makes the 2032 have about 3.55 times the capacity of the 1225. Hope this is useful!

Until now I just assumed like all of the other things I have learned to memorize it was an entirely arbitary collection of digits... thanks for the enlightenment!

[GJM]

That cools my enthusiasm a little bit. Will wait until they have more field testing til I spring for one. Was thinking of flipping at least one P-1 for one of these, now glad I waited.



Until now I just assumed like all of the other things I have learned to memorize it was an entirely arbitary collection of digits... thanks for the enlightenment!

The Steiner is an unknown at this point, and the P2 has been 30 days off for months, so I wouldn't get rid of a P1 now.

[CleverNickname]

FWIW I just got an email from Aimpoint saying the P2 is in stock.

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

[GJM]

FWIW I just got an email from Aimpoint saying the P2 is in stock.

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

Thanks for this, I just got one! I called CS there to confirm, and they got 100, put them out this morning, and are down to 50. Well, make that 49.

[CDFIII]

Snagged one as well. Called to verify. GTG!

[dontshakepandas]

FWIW I just got an email from Aimpoint saying the P2 is in stock.

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

Figures. I gave up and bought something else last week.

[HeavyDuty]

FWIW I just got an email from Aimpoint saying the P2 is in stock.

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

I got it too, and will follow up with my seller. Finally!

[TCinVA]

FWIW I just got an email from Aimpoint saying the P2 is in stock.

https://aimpoint.us/acro-p-2-red-dot-reflex-sight-3-5-moa-200691/

One would hope that they shipped the product to the distributors so those of us who have had one on order FOR MONTHS can expect to see them sometime before we get a new fucking presidential administration.

[CleverNickname]

One would hope that they shipped the product to the distributors so those of us who have had one on order FOR MONTHS can expect to see them sometime before we get a new fucking presidential administration.
I'm hoping so too. I've had a P2 & Acro-cut Gen 3 Glock slide on backorder from Brownells since July.

[BobM]

I’m hoping some went to Strohman.

[TCinVA]

I’m hoping some went to Strohman.

They goddamn better well have.

Fuck.

[CS Tactical]

One would hope that they shipped the product to the distributors so those of us who have had one on order FOR MONTHS can expect to see them sometime before we get a new fucking presidential administration.

We don't see any yet :(

[CDFIII]

Aimpoint CS mentioned only 100 came in this morning and this batch was only slated for their web sales. More are expected in January.

[HeavyDuty]

Aimpoint CS mentioned only 100 came in this morning and this batch was only slated for their web sales. More are expected in January.

#@&+

[KevH]

I've been waiting since 2019 for a SIG Romeo2 (finally got to see one this past summer).

Since December 2020, every time I bother SIG about it the answer I get is "in the next couple months."

Aimpoint seems to be copying them.

[CS Tactical]

I've been waiting since 2019 for a SIG Romeo2 (finally got to see one this past summer).

Since December 2020, every time I bother SIG about it the answer I get is "in the next couple months."

Aimpoint seems to be copying them.


Supply chain issues are real and across the board for many items inside this industry and everywhere :(

[Erick Gelhaus]

So, who do we know that does a rock solid job milling M&P slides for the 509T?

(and I'm only 60-65% sarcastic on this)

[KevH]

So, who do we know that does a rock solid job milling M&P slides for the 509T?

(and I'm only 60-65% sarcastic on this)

Floyd's Custom Shop: https://www.floydscustomshop.com/

They mount it low enough you don't need to run suppressor sights.

[HeavyDuty]

I've been waiting since 2019 for a SIG Romeo2 (finally got to see one this past summer).

Since December 2020, every time I bother SIG about it the answer I get is "in the next couple months."

Aimpoint seems to be copying them.

I’m out at the SIG Academy Pro Shop every few weeks, I’ll keep an eye out.

[HeavyDuty]

Aimpoint CS mentioned only 100 came in this morning and this batch was only slated for their web sales. More are expected in January.

The more I think about this, the less I like it. It doesn’t directly affect me since many people are ahead of me, but for them to ignore preexisting orders and open it up like that really sucks.

[GJM]

Given how scarce these have been, it seemed like it made sense to order one while they showed available, and ask questions about who/what/should later. I had feelers out in a number of places and the prospect of saving a buck or two wasn't enough to pass up a P2 in hand.

[CS Tactical]

Given how scarce these have been, it seemed like it made sense to order one while they showed available, and ask questions about who/what/should later. I had feelers out in a number of places and the prospect of saving a buck or two wasn't enough to pass up a P2 in hand.


I would even bought one full pop for myself if I saw them in stock, I want to get this Holosun off haha

[CDFIII]

The more I think about this, the less I like it. It doesn’t directly affect me since many people are ahead of me, but for them to ignore preexisting orders and open it up like that really sucks.

Exactly why I never do preorders. I wait till products are on hand cause I’ve experienced and seen this too many times.

[CS Tactical]

Exactly why I never do preorders. I wait till products are on hand cause I’ve experienced and seen this too many times.

We typically don't take money down on pre-orders. We just collect everyone's information and get them in line, once it's shipping to us we start calling for payment.
That way we are not holding anyone's money for an unknown ETA.

[CDFIII]

We typically don't take money down on pre-orders. We just collect everyone's information and get them in line, once it's shipping to us we start calling for payment.
That way we are not holding anyone's money for an unknown ETA.

Not speaking of your business or any in particular of course . I just have better luck personally having the funds ready and jump when product is available.

[CS Tactical]

Not speaking of your business or any in particular of course . I just have better luck personally having the funds ready and jump when product is available.

I wasn't implying that, I was just letting forum members know what our practice was so they don't run into this issue.

Sorry for the confusion :)

[YVK]

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This my first ACRO. So far the impressions are rather favorable. Of course, it is a big sight but I knew that. Unity Atom sights are perfect height. Gonna Wheeler it tonight, and go live whenever time allows.

I presume that crossbolt, or whatever it is called, screw needs a little loctite?

[HeavyDuty]

It lives!

[GJM]

81482

This my first ACRO. So far the impressions are rather favorable. Of course, it is a big sight but I knew that. Unity Atom sights are perfect height. Gonna Wheeler it tonight, and go live whenever time allows.

I presume that crossbolt, or whatever it is called, screw needs a little loctite?

Show off! FedEx doesn't get mine here until Wednesday.

[taadski]

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That does not appear to be a “dentist’s” gun, the ilk that I’m becoming accustomed to seeing you shoot, good Sir. 😈

[DpdG]

I've had two on order since July through the IOP program with Strohman- I'm glad to see these showing up in the wild but I must admit some frustration that Aimpoint put some on the open market before filling fully paid pre-orders, especially since they were "going to ship by late summer."

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

I've had two on order since July through the IOP program with Strohman- I'm glad to see these showing up in the wild but I must admit some frustration that Aimpoint put some on the open market before filling fully paid pre-orders, especially since they were "going to ship by late summer."

I may be mistaken but Aimpoint would not have anything to do with preorders unless filled with Aimpoint directly. Retailers doing pre-orders mean little, they'll still go out in the distribution order as normal I'd imagine.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I may be mistaken but Aimpoint would not have anything to do with preorders unless filled with Aimpoint directly. Retailers doing pre-orders mean little, they'll still go out in the distribution order as normal I'd imagine.

My thought at this point is ... those Aimpoint recommended retailers have been taking orders since May. People have paid either the full price when they ordered (or at least a deposit) to those businesses believing they were getting the optic in weeks, then months, now who knows when. It now seems that rather than sending out product to fill those orders, Aimpoint is filling orders made through their website.

[CDFIII]

81494
Came in yesterday. Battery is a welcome change, buttons are stiff and have a felt “click”. Windage and elevation are tactile and can also feel a click in adjustment. Window seems a tad smaller than P1 “didn’t measure” but the increased brightness make up for it. Now to figure out what gun to mount it on.

[DpdG]

I may be mistaken but Aimpoint would not have anything to do with preorders unless filled with Aimpoint directly. Retailers doing pre-orders mean little, they'll still go out in the distribution order as normal I'd imagine.

You're not wrong, but contextually your reasoning isn't exactly applicable. Without getting into details I will say this: Strohman and the Aimpoint LE rep I dealt with have been/are very responsive and I hold no grudges with either.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

My thought at this point is ... those Aimpoint recommended retailers have been taking orders since May. People have paid either the full price when they ordered (or at least a deposit) to those businesses believing they were getting the optic in weeks, then months, now who knows when. It now seems that rather than sending out product to fill those orders, Aimpoint is filling orders made through their website.

Again I'd say it's on the retailers for doing the preorders and their inability to deliver in the timeframe quoted. Sure it's all coming from Aimpoint and what they quote but those people need to take it up with the retailer and get their money back if they are unhappy. This is why pre-orders can be a double edged sword, sure you'll get it first but at what cost (higher sticker price and multiple missed deadlines often).

[TCB]

A buddy who also ordered from Strohman (must have been within a day of my order) got a shipping notification for his yesterday…they must have gotten some and they’re starting to fulfill.

[Biggy]

FYI, the optical window on the first Gen ACRO P-1 sight is 16x16mm (0.63 x 0.63 in) and on the new ACRO P-2 model it is 15x15mm (0.59 x 0.59 in).

[GJM]

FYI, the optical window on the first Gen ACRO P-1 sight is 16x16mm (0.63 x 0.63 in) and on the new ACRO P-2 model it is 15x15mm (0.59 x 0.59 in).

Any idea why the change?

[YVK]

Any idea why the change?

Inflation.

[TCinVA]

A buddy who also ordered from Strohman (must have been within a day of my order) got a shipping notification for his yesterday…they must have gotten some and they’re starting to fulfill.

I ordered on May 25th...so far no notification.

[TCB]

Me neither…but he got his. 🤷*♂️

[GJM]

Me neither…but he got his. 🤷*♂️

Mine arrived today. I am in MT but if you want to drive up to Havasu, you can coonfinger mine.

[TCB]

I’m in no rush for mine. My next major is Western States SS the beginning of Feb so I’m gonna be all in on the 1911 until then…

ETA: what’s with the asterisk and male symbol after the shruggy shoulder guy, I didn’t put them there? Weird…

[GJM]

I’m in no rush for mine. My next major is Western States SS the beginning of Feb so I’m gonna be all in on the 1911 until then…

ETA: what’s with the asterisk and male symbol after the shruggy shoulder guy, I didn’t put them there? Weird…

When I saw it, I assumed maybe you started shooting PCC.

[TCB]

Bwahahahahaha! Nope. If that was the case it would have been two of them…intertwined.

[Nephrology]

I ordered on May 25th...so far no notification.

I emailed Strohmann's. They said they had shipped out the first 10 of their backorders but that was it - they only got a total of 10 units from Aimpoint. Apparently my order is somewhere between 11-50.

Apparently they expect a delivery from Aimpoint in mid January. Fingers crossed!

[GJM]

As noted previously, the dot intensity on the P2 is a click or two more than the P1, which will be welcome in bright desert conditions.

[GJM]

I have now had a chance to shoot the P2 on three different pistols, giving me experience mounting and zeroing it, and carrying it multiple days on a Gen 5 Glock 19 MOS on a Tango Down plate. Here is what I can say.

The P2 has been absolutely no fuss. Not surprisingly, it goes on Acro plates, and is easily zeroed, with the adjustment clicks moving the point of impact as you would expect. Obviously I haven’t been able to test 2032 battery life, but the optic has been on since I received it. The brightness of the dot is better on the P2, which is a help in bright sunshine. I am told the P2 has a different emitter. The +/- buttons are improved over the P1, and less likely to be pressed inadvertently.

Really happy these have finally arrived, and look forward to getting on pe on my G23 MOS field pistol ASAP.

[EVP]

Awesome to hear! Keep us updated with any developments with the P2.

Seems like it is what the ACRO should of been from the start.

[GJM]

I did some testing of the new P2 this morning in a low sun angle, and this optic is definitely subject to phantom dots in these kind of conditions. If the dot intensity is turned up to the bright side of what you would normally use, it is easier to determine which is the real dot and what is scatter or a phantom dot. I guess back up iron sights could also be a tiebreaker.

[SoCalDep]

We’ve had two P-2s for 5.5 months now. I just got one back from another instructor who’s been using it most of that time. We never shut them off - left them on a normal useable setting when not in use, and (not surprisingly) neither battery has died. I know it’s not “long term” battery info, but it’s certainly an improvement over the P-1.

Also, I agree with GJM that the brightness controls are much improved as well.

[GJM]

Note to self: be sure to turn the P2 up to maximum intensity with low sun angles to make it easier to identify phantom dots from the main dot.

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[Nephrology]

Hell yeah. Can't wait til mine finally ships!

[GJM]

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I had to turn the res up, so the multiple dots became more visible.

[JCN]

I had to turn the res up, so the multiple dots became more visible.

Yikes! Thanks for posting that picture.

[Biggy]

Little doubt about it being the most robust pistol red dot sight available, but I hate how thick the housing is. Yeah training will help *some* and you will kind of get used to it, but it's like being married to a cross eyed old lady, when you look through it, it will always be there. I have one on the way, I might keep it or I might not. I really which the Holosun 509T had a little better glass than it does.

[GJM]

I turned my P2 on Dec 22, when I received it, and have left it on ever since. Just for giggles, I pulled the battery and tested it today, and it still shows as 100 percent.

No issue here, but a quality battery tester is a useful thing to help diagnose red dot issues, since it can differentiate battery versus optic issues.

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[CDFIII]

I am now on my second Acro P2 unfortunately and probably the third soon if Aimpoint will warranty this one. My first lost it's dot just before i hit 200 rds. I then had to turn it on after every round because it would shut off. In fairness Aimpoint sent me a replacement very quickly. Just got my second one in tonight and mounted it on my pistol. So far so good but then I install the battery and screw on the battery cap by hand. Ever so carefully to mind the threads and proceed to tighten up the cap with supplied plastic tool. Low and behold my cap is warped or machined incorrectly and pushes the o ring out the side of the optic leaving a gap. Just my luck! Not a dig at Aimpoint because they have been great so far. I am determined to get a working one eventually.
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[Default.mp3]

When I queried Strohman a few days ago, they were expecting to ship by the end of the month, at least for my order, which I had put in basically the day the P-2 was announced. Hopefully that timeline shakes out.

[JCN]

screw on the battery cap by hand. Ever so carefully to mind the threads and proceed to tighten up the cap with supplied plastic tool.

I’ve had that issue on gaskets before and it’s generally not a problem with the cap.

It’s binding / friction of the rubber ring on the metal cap.

If you have silicone grease you can lube the O-ring lightly and try that.

Post up if that works.

[CDFIII]

I’ve had that issue on gaskets before and it’s generally not a problem with the cap.

It’s binding / friction of the rubber ring on the metal cap.

If you have silicone grease you can lube the O-ring lightly and try that.

Post up if that works.

I understand that can happen but this isn't what the issue is. I removed the cap and it isn't flat. it has issues and my calipers are showing it. I want it to be right but unfortunately its not. Just by looking at it it resembles a penny after being put on the railroad tracks. I attached a pic. not great but you can see its not quite right.
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[JCN]

I understand that can happen but this isn't what the issue is. I removed the cap and it isn't flat. it has issues and my calipers are showing it. I want it to be right but unfortunately its not. Just by looking at it it resembles a penny after being put on the railroad tracks. I attached a pic. not great but you can see its not quite right.

Thanks for the feedback! That’s an interesting defect. Maybe they can just send you a new cap?

[CDFIII]

Thanks for the feedback! That’s an interesting defect. Maybe they can just send you a new cap?
Not sure if they even have any parts for them yet, Covid has really caused a bunch of issues with this optics roll out. I hope it's that easy.

[Archer1440]

I use Nyogel 760G dielectric grease on any and all O-rings intended for electrical sealing to help prevent exactly the issue you are encountering. Yes, the cap may indeed be warped, but a proper o-ring lube may still solve it.

[CDFIII]

I use Nyogel 760G dielectric grease on any and all O-rings intended for electrical sealing to help prevent exactly the issue you are encountering. Yes, the cap may indeed be warped, but a proper o-ring lube may still solve it.
Agreed... but it's a bit disheartening since this is a brand new optic fresh from the manufacturer to replace the one that quite working.

[Triarii]

Anybody have anymore intel on a release for the P2???

[GJM]

8298382982Tango Down has a lens guard for the P2. Here it is on my P2.

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[CS Tactical]

8298382982Tango Down has a lens guard for the P2. Here it is on my P2.

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What's your impression of the P2 so far outside the battery life which is TBD? Is the smaller window an issue?

[1Rangemaster]

I am not GJM, but we have had a T&E sample for several months now. The glass “seems” clearer, and the led dot a little more intense; for example, level 7 on a P2 is like 8 on a P1. I have not noticed any degradation, and it’s my preference for a sight on a carry piece-on my carry 19 now.

[Triarii]

Where did you find that P2 lens cap? I don’t see it anywhere on their website.

[1Rangemaster]

Where did you find that P2 lens cap? I don’t see it anywhere on their website.

If you’re asking about the guard-it’s a frame that protects the lens-I would call or email Tango Down. My understanding is they are getting ready to announce…

[CDFIII]

If you’re asking about the guard-it’s a frame that protects the lens-I would call or email Tango Down. My understanding is they are getting ready to announce…

Already tried. They said "watch the website."

[feudist]

I am not GJM, but we have had a T&E sample for several months now. The glass “seems” clearer, and the led dot a little more intense; for example, level 7 on a P2 is like 8 on a P1. I have not noticed any degradation, and it’s my preference for a sight on a carry piece-on my carry 19 now.

How was battery life on your sample? Exceeding the P1?

Same question to other long term T&E folks.

[SoCalDep]

How was battery life on your sample? Exceeding the P1?

Same question to other long term T&E folks.

We're at six months on usable settings. I just ran mine teaching a two-day pistol optic class where it rained most of the first day. No issues or complaints.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

8298382982Tango Down has a lens guard for the P2. Here it is on my P2.

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Is that really necessary? I mean I could see it on Glock's that eject poorly but for guns with flawless robust ejection to the right it seems superfluous to me. Especially considering Aimpoint's warranty...

[backtrail540]

Is that really necessary?

For him, probably. :cool:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?49854-Acro-mishap&p=1269048#post1269048

[1Rangemaster]

How was battery life on your sample? Exceeding the P1?

Same question to other long term T&E folks.

We’ve had ours right at 6 months. It has not been “on” constantly; when stored, unit is turned off. I would hazard about 4 months of being on, at levels 7-9. The higher level only for a few hours in bright sun(goes to level 10). It has a 2032 battery; the P1 takes a 2025. When I ran a P1, I changed the battery every 30-60 days, and was religious about powering off at night, over weekends, etc. Personally, on a P2 I would change the battery between 9-12 months. It’s a little less stressful with the P2. Care must be taken with the battery cap, as others have noted. Hope this helps.

Thy.Will.Be.Done: I don’t think the guard is an absolute need to have, but it’s nice to have. The ACRO is an expensive bit of kit, and a little more protection isn’t unreasonable. YMMV.

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

For him, probably. :cool:

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?49854-Acro-mishap&p=1269048#post1269048

Good thinking, forgot about seeing that mishap here and I certainly know all about his claim to fame breaking most every dot known to man.

[VK01]

With S&W releasing a factory-milled M&P 9mm for ACRO, does anyone have intel on Glock doing the same as a new MOS option? If anyone is at SHOT, drop the question into a rep for me!

[Noah]

With S&W releasing a factory-milled M&P 9mm for ACRO, does anyone have intel on Glock doing the same as a new MOS option? If anyone is at SHOT, drop the question into a rep for me!

I heard the S&W Acro was a special order for a large Texas PD, not something generally available.

[cpd2110]

I know that Glock has MOS direct mill for rmr and dpp, not sure on acro yet, but Cowan referenced some other variants in one of his videos. I also think they are special order items.

[HCM]

I heard the S&W Acro was a special order for a large Texas PD, not something generally available.

It may have started as a special order but it is now an LE only catalog item with it’s own SKU.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm-optic/slide-cut-acro-optic

For reasons known only to Smith & Wesson some of their best products often start out as LE only products.

[Noah]

It may have started as a special order but it is now an LE only catalog item with it’s own SKU.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm-optic/slide-cut-acro-optic

For reasons known only to Smith & Wesson some of their best products often start out as LE only products.

I should have been more clear- I am referring to that SKU. But that SKU isn't something generally available, just for bulk LEO orders. If you know how I can get one, let me know haha

[HCM]

I know that Glock has MOS direct mill for rmr and dpp, not sure on acro yet, but Cowan referenced some other variants in one of his videos. I also think they are special order items.

Glock has offered the RMR and shield specific optics cut commercially in Europe for a few years. They have since added an optic specific cut for the DPP footprint.

Right now they are available in the US for agency sales only.

With Smith and Wesson offering an ACRO cut M&P you really think Glock is going to lose market share and leave $$$ on the table by NOT offering a an ACRO cut slide ?

[HCM]

I should have been more clear- I am referring to that SKU. But that SKU isn't something generally available, just for bulk LEO orders. If you know how I can get one, let me know haha

Gun companies do make true “one off” special orders for agencies.

There’s been interest in this from other large agencies hence the reason it became a catalog item. If they sell enough of them it will, at a minimum, become an individual Ofc item

[AMC]

There will be a Glock Acro cut version. Possibly at least one other manufacturer as well. Smith at least may be partnering with Aimpoint for a factory-direct combination option to compete with the Sig RXP series guns for agency sales. For optics discerning shooters, that could steal some of Sigs Thunder in this arena.

Still waiting for the military to mandate a rail mount PMO system. That will change the game dramatically.

[TeeBee]

There will be a Glock Acro cut version. Possibly at least one other manufacturer as well. Smith at least may be partnering with Aimpoint for a factory-direct combination option to compete with the Sig RXP series guns for agency sales. For optics discerning shooters, that could steal some of Sigs Thunder in this arena.

Still waiting for the military to mandate a rail mount PMO system. That will change the game dramatically.

The only way there might be any optics mount standardization, is if national defense forces adopt RDS on handguns.

[HCM]

There will be a Glock Acro cut version. Possibly at least one other manufacturer as well. Smith at least may be partnering with Aimpoint for a factory-direct combination option to compete with the Sig RXP series guns for agency sales. For optics discerning shooters, that could steal some of Sigs Thunder in this arena.

Still waiting for the military to mandate a rail mount PMO system. That will change the game dramatically.

Cat’s out if the bag. Glock is showing the ACRO cut gun at SHOT.

Photos courtesy of Frank Woods.
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[MandoWookie]

Cat’s out if the bag. Glock is showing the ACRO cut gun at SHOT.

Photos courtesy of Frank Woods.
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How many years do you think before these (and the ACRO) are easily available for MSRP?

[HCM]

How many years do you think before these (and the ACRO) are easily available for MSRP?

The ACRO ? A year mas o menos. Depends on COVID. They will be available at or below MSRP before that but there is a strong agency demand as evidenced by two of the biggest pistol suppliers making dedicated ACRO cut pistols.

As for what Glock will do who knows. Glock has been selling the Shield and RMR specific MOS cut guns in Europe for at least two years that I am aware of. MOS Glock 26s are also sold overseas. When is Glock gonna release the G 47?

Maybe when Lipsey’s is ready to order a few thousand each in tan green and gray?

[VK01]

Cat’s out if the bag. Glock is showing the ACRO cut gun at SHOT. Photos courtesy of Frank Woods.


Bingo! That’s the news I wanted to see. Thank you, sir.

[AMC]

Cat’s out if the bag. Glock is showing the ACRO cut gun at SHOT.

Photos courtesy of Frank Woods.
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Somebody let me peak into the bag before SHOT.

This is all good. Moving us toward better options and more robust equipment.

[HeavyDuty]

Somebody let me peak into the bag before SHOT.

This is all good. Moving us toward better options and more robust equipment.

Question is - will this be an open stock SKU, or for agency order only?

[ssc45]

If I understand correctly, both Smith and Glock are showing slides that have a standard ACRO footprint milled into the slide? Hence, no plate that must first be attached to the slide? If this is accurate, this is what I was contemplating in the standard mounting thoughts. Would it also be accurate that the ACRO would be a tad bit lower mounted upon the slide?

Regards, Steve

[GearFondler]

Would it also be accurate that the ACRO would be a tad bit lower mounted upon the slide?

Regards, Steve

Vs the MOS, yes. It loses the plate thickness so the optic sits in the slide instead of on the slide.
Those pics indicate that stock Glock sights are probably just tall enough to work with the ACRO while still being mostly out of the window.

[CS Tactical]

I'm excited!


https://youtu.be/0NfWA0vuJt0

[Erick Gelhaus]

S&W has a SKU for a 2.0 slide that is cut specifically for the Acro. It was done a good-sized Texas agency. During a meeting yesterday, I was told by an S&W employee (who had helped me out on something previously) that they would consider running that SKU for commercial sales if there was interest.

[Erick Gelhaus]

8298382982Tango Down has a lens guard for the P2. Here it is on my P2.

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Has anyone tried these in a duty holster yet?

[GJM]

Has anyone tried these in a duty holster yet?

Works in my 6390RDS.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Works in my 6390RDS.

Thank you

[Thy.Will.Be.Done]

When can we actually buy these without a preorder?

[Caballoflaco]

When can we actually buy these without a preorder?

Maybe when the war with Russia is over?

[Default.mp3]

8298382982Tango Down has a lens guard for the P2. Here it is on my P2.

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[Default.mp3]

Yay, Strohman has now indicated mid to late February for the P-2 to ship. This is getting very annoying now, if only because of the webshop order Aimpoint let through, while some of us parted with our money for almost a whole year.

[Default.mp3]

I am writing to let you know that your order has been further delayed to May of this year. The manufacturer is experiencing delays due to COVID, including having production at 50% of their normal capacity, delays in transit from Sweden, and lastly issues with receiving raw materials to make the product.Well, ain't that a fucking peach. Ain't blaming Strohman, but now I'm seriously irked at the Aimpoint webstore drop.

[Nephrology]

Well, ain't that a fucking peach. Ain't blaming Strohman, but now I'm seriously irked at the Aimpoint webstore drop.

yeah, I'm with you. Just got the same email. I'm debating getting a refund and buying the Steiner, but I don't "need" the optic either by any mean, so tempted to just continue to wait.

[TCinVA]

A year.

That's more than a little annoying. The "Fuck it" temptation is strong.

[HeavyDuty]

That web drop was a serious dick move.

[DpdG]

Am I off base wondering about the veracity of “COVID delays”? P2s have been available in steady, if somewhat limited, numbers in the Euro market, plus the new Duty (T2 lite) model seems to be freely shipping.

[CleverNickname]

I backordered a P2 and ordered a couple silencers last summer, within a couple weeks of each other. At this rate, I'm going to get the silencers first.

[J0hnny]

Yep. I'm right at seven months through Kenzie's


Well, ain't that a fucking peach. Ain't blaming Strohman, but now I'm seriously irked at the Aimpoint webstore drop.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Am I off base wondering about the veracity of “COVID delays”? P2s have been available in steady, if somewhat limited, numbers in the Euro market, plus the new Duty (T2 lite) model seems to be freely shipping.

^^^^^ This, all of this ^^^^^

Kind of takes away from the explanations.

[TCinVA]

Am I off base wondering about the veracity of “COVID delays”? P2s have been available in steady, if somewhat limited, numbers in the Euro market, plus the new Duty (T2 lite) model seems to be freely shipping.

I'm sure that's what Aimpoint's line to retailers is.

The fact that every "influencer" out there seems to have their hands on one would indicate that perhaps their allocation strategies given production constraints need to be reexamined.

I mean, it's cool to have an in-demand product.

It's not as cool when people who ordered one as soon as they released the thing and who already own multiple Aimpoint products are at the point of "Fuck this, I'll just buy Holosun from now on."

[HeavyDuty]

If I were one of Aimpoint’s bigger retailers that was sitting on a pile of preorders, I’d be especially pissed at the web store drop. 100 units isn’t much, but the message it sent sucks.

[Sig_Fiend]

At the rate Holosun is going, wouldn't surprise me if they release something in an ACRO footprint + 2032 before the P-2 becomes readily available. ;)

[Default.mp3]

More annoying news, Strohman has informed me that there are currently no plans to bring over the clear flip covers for the P-2. Maybe I should get my friend that's in Europe to snag me a few while she's there, maybe even a P-2 itself (would this breaking any export laws?). I really don't want to have to buy a T-2 just to get the clear flip covers.

[GJM]

I received my P2 in that first batch just before Christmas. I turned it on to two clicks below max, and have left it on ever since. Just pulled the battery (Duracell) and tested it -- it still shows at 100 percent. That is promising on battery life on the P2.

[Magsz]

Strohmans is now saying May timeframe for delivery.

Ugh.

[GJM]

Strohmans is now saying May timeframe for delivery.

Ugh.

probably neck and neck as to whether I need a new battery before the next units arrive :(

[Erick Gelhaus]

I broke down & ordered a Steiner MPS.

I think Aimpoint has become Swedish for "H&K - We hate you, and you suck!"

[GJM]

I broke down & ordered a Steiner MPS.

I think Aimpoint has become Swedish for "H&K - We hate you, and you suck!"

You see the hours of battery life, over in the MPS thread?

[Erick Gelhaus]

You see the hours of battery life, over in the MPS thread?

I did, "but" ...

I need to spend some time on one anyway for teaching purposes;
I got it for @ $100 less than a P1 would cost me;
If the seller is to be believed, I'll have it within a few weeks of paying for it;

[JF1]

"I need to spend some time on one anyway for teaching purposes"

I was in the same boat about a month and a half ago. I had finally got my Glock 19 slide back after having it milled for the P2, but no product. I got the MPS in a week and have had no issues with it for the past month or so. The optic works for what I need and the only issue I've been working through has to do with finding a comp that is reliable. The MPS, X300, and iterations of different comps and stock barrel have all fit in the 6390. I will probably call it the day with the stock barrel and find a muzzle stop work around. And yes I still have my backorder in for the P2.

[JF1]

"I need to spend some time on one anyway for teaching purposes"

I was in the same boat about a month and a half ago. I had finally got my Glock 19 slide back after having it milled for the P2, but no product. I got the MPS in a week and have had no issues with it for the past month or so. The optic works for what I need and the only issue I've been working through has to do with finding a comp that is reliable. The MPS, X300, and iterations of different comps and stock barrel have all fit in the 6390. I will probably call it the day with the stock barrel and find a muzzle stop work around. And yes I still have my backorder in for the P2.

Sorry, that was the 6360 holster.

[paherne]

You see the hours of battery life, over in the MPS thread?

The battery hours I have in my hand, versus some mythical, unobtanium hours are definitely betterer. The most cringe I have seen in years was Wayne Dobbs telling someone to buy and Aimpoint, not an MPS. I get you've got to ride for the brand, but F me walking when Aimpoint has acted like the biggest douchenozzle on the planet with this roll-out; maybe sit this one out. Wayne is an awesome guy, a cop I respect and one of the few dudes I would pay to take instruction from, but even he can't make up for Aimpoint's mistakes on this one.

[newyork]

Is the release date and availability still anyones guess? Or are these definitely coming soon?

[HCM]

Looks like some of the delay may be P-2s going to the French Army contract ?

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[newyork]

Curious how concealment is with a g19 and acro. Does the back corner of the acro, that doesn’t exist on an rmr, easily cause printing or is it no harder ?
I typically can conceal a full size gun with rmr easily but wondered about the acro.

[GJM]

Curious how concealment is with a g19 and acro. Does the back corner of the acro, that doesn’t exist on an rmr, easily cause printing or is it no harder ?
I typically can conceal a full size gun with rmr easily but wondered about the acro.

Definitely prints more than an RMR. Don't worry until someone lifts your shirt and tries to deposit a letter in your "mailbox."

[newyork]

I’m buying a 19mos soon and thought acro. Maybe I’ll stick with rmr again.

[GJM]

I’m buying a 19mos soon and thought acro. Maybe I’ll stick with rmr again.

Completely different application. Decide whether you want an open or closed emitter and proceed accordingly.

[1Rangemaster]

I’m buying a 19mos soon and thought acro. Maybe I’ll stick with rmr again.


newyork: FWIW, I’ve routinely carried a 19MOS w/ ACRO for over a year in a JMCK IWB- pretty low profile for me. I don’t do AIWB. Nothing wrong with an RMR, but I prefer the enclosed optics.

HCM: nice find. Funneling P2s into that French contract may somewhat explain the shortages here in the US, but Aimpoint could certainly have handled customer information better.

Searching images from IWA 2022 there is a tan P2(!)

[newyork]

My rmr work fine. Currently have 2. One on each M&P. Idk yet. I’ll think on it. I want to daily carry it. All things except competition.

[HCM]

newyork: FWIW, I’ve routinely carried a 19MOS w/ ACRO for over a year in a JMCK IWB- pretty low profile for me. I don’t do AIWB. Nothing wrong with an RMR, but I prefer the enclosed optics.

HCM: nice find. Funneling P2s into that French contract may somewhat explain the shortages here in the US, but Aimpoint could certainly have handled customer information better.

Searching images from IWA 2022 there is a tan P2(!)

That also raises the question: Given the demand from war in Ukraine, and the secondary demand that will create in nearby NATO countries and Allies, how much of Aimpoint’s production capability will be focused on that demand vs US commercial demand for pistol optics.

Regardless of how lucrative the U.S. commercial market may be, many euro defense companies have a cultural bias to seeing .MIL/.GOV as their “real” customers.

[1Rangemaster]

Agreed. Just about everywhere else on their planet there aren’t large amount of citizens who can legitimately possess firearms and accessories. It follows that a company would be consciously and unconsciously following the money. Europeans may also underestimate the American capacity to consume. Mercedes and BMW didn’t build US plants on a whim-and there’s probably a tax reason also.
US Federal LE is reportedly also very interested in the ACRO, or at will be another drain on the commercial market. TheP-2 is excellent; hopefully more get out soon…

[newyork]

Completely different application. Decide whether you want an open or closed emitter and proceed accordingly.

The reason I was initially interested was I wanted to try a closed emitter but didn’t want a holosun and didn’t know if the Steiner would be squared away yet. That and simultaneously wanting to get back to Glocks.

[1Rangemaster]

As GJM says, decide on single lens or closed emitter, and choose.
The Steiner MPS seems to be working out(check to see you don’t get the puzzling 13 hour “auto off”). The Holosun 509T is a good value; some object to its origins.
I’ve been fortunate to have experience with all three, to include running an ACRO on a personal weapon. I’ll buy a P-2 after seeing one during an evaluation. But I don’t think I’d be handicapped with any of them, assuming functionality and mounting success.

[newyork]

If it weren’t P2, maybe the Steiner with no auto off. Doesn’t matter but damn the Steiner is ugly haha. Not into the holosun as you said.

Is the window being smaller than the rmr window, noticeable on the P2 during use?

Is having 2 lenses really that different?

[KevH]

If it weren’t P2, maybe the Steiner with no auto off. Doesn’t matter but damn the Steiner is ugly haha. Not into the holosun as you said.

Is the window being smaller than the rmr window, noticeable on the P2 during use?

Is having 2 lenses really that different?

I demo'ed a P-2 back in August for a Mike Pannone class (thank you Wayne!) and now own one (finally...it was a bitch and half to get). I also own a Holoson 509T x2 and bunch of other optics.

If you want a closed emitter I think it is a very good option, but so is the 509T. The fact the P-2 is a giant pain to get right now isn't helping it any.

The window size compared to a RMR is not big deal. I actually find the Acro much nicer to look through. The glass is very clear without any distortion and the body of the optic seems to protect it much more from weird sun angles. If you are used to a large open emitter like the Trijicon SRO, SIG Romeo1Pro or Romeo3, or even a DPP you may not like it.

The flaw of the Acro P-2 is how damn high it mounts on pistols not specifically milled for it. The 509T is a smaller optic (although with a wider field of view) and on a Glock MOS it mounts much lower and using the steel Holosun plate it is pretty darn solid. It's also shorter front to back giving you much more flexibility with getting a gun milled for it.

I want to try an Acro P-2 on a Walther PDP since it will likely sit at a better height. Unfortunately, unless the gun is milled for the Acro (options coming from both Glock and S&W), that may be the only readily available pistol it works well on.

I think for SIG people the Romeo2 will likely be the answer for closed emitters. I also think Holosun is going to make an absolute killing on the EPS once it is released and that will become the new go-to closed emitter for most people as long as the US doesn't ban them because of their county of origin. If Trijicon got its stuff together and released a closed emitter with the durability and auto-adjust features of an optic like the RM07 I think the Acro would be even less of a player.

I think the Acro P-2's niche is going to be in the foreign military (not US) and US LE market on guns carried in an exposed security holster on a gun that is directly milled for the Acro from the factory. I think because of its size, cost, and spotty availability its use in the US non-LE market is going to be quite limited. There are just too many other good cheaper and more available options out there.

Like the Betamax vs VHS, just because the Acro may be better in many aspects, doesn't mean it will dominate like it probably could.

[newyork]

Well said. I can’t bring myself to Holosun.

[Erick Gelhaus]

... <snip>
Like the Betamax vs VHS, just because the Acro may be better in many aspects, doesn't mean it will dominate like it probably could.

Welp, this ^^^^!

[1Rangemaster]

If it werenÂ’t P2, maybe the Steiner with no auto off. DoesnÂ’t matter but damn the Steiner is ugly haha. Not into the holosun as you said.

Is the window being smaller than the rmr window, noticeable on the P2 during use?

Is having 2 lenses really that different?

Two lenses for me is that different in that I have no concern of debris getting in and blocking the emitter/lens. Short story: carrying a 43X months ago with a Holosun k sight, concealed. Working a little match at an outdoor range in the Fall(leaves around). Got home after match, unholstered to secure weapon, and behold-a leaf fragment right over the lens! Rare fluke-sure-but itÂ’s one reason I prefer 2 lenses. I still carry the 43X on occasion, and am interested in their new small enclosed sight.
All of the enclosed emitters have better “windows” IMO. All things aren’t equal, but I’m carrying a P1(want a P2), and also see the Steiner and Holosun as suitable. Hopefully Aimpoint can up the supply.

Edit: to be fair, I have little experience w/Leupold, SIG or othersÂ…

[newyork]

Two lenses for me is that different in that I have no concern of debris getting in and blocking the emitter/lens. Short story: carrying a 43X months ago with a Holosun k sight, concealed. Working a little match at an outdoor range in the Fall(leaves around). Got home after match, unholstered to secure weapon, and behold-a leaf fragment right over the lens! Rare fluke-sure-but itÂ’s one reason I prefer 2 lenses. I still carry the 43X on occasion, and am interested in their new small enclosed sight.
All of the enclosed emitters have better “windows” IMO. All things aren’t equal, but I’m carrying a P1(want a P2), and also see the Steiner and Holosun as suitable. Hopefully Aimpoint can up the supply.

Edit: to be fair, I have little experience w/Leupold, SIG or othersÂ…

I watched a Hilton tan video where he says he doesn’t think there’s much of an advantage. That anything can happen and cover lenses, fog up etc on the emitters too. But idk. Seemed like a stretch or exaggeration to me. Closed emitter sounds great. Since I’m not keen on holosun I think I’ll buys an acro plate and wait for the p2 to come out.

Probably picking up a 19.5 mos next week. Bought some 10-8 mos sights. Need kydex and maybe an scd.

[joshs]

I watched a Hilton tan video where he says he doesn’t think there’s much of an advantage. That anything can happen and cover lenses, fog up etc on the emitters too. But idk. Seemed like a stretch or exaggeration to me. Closed emitter sounds great. Since I’m not keen on holosun I think I’ll buys an acro plate and wait for the p2 to come out.

All the open emitters I've carried act as a bucket for gunk to collect in. I usually clean the lens at least once every other day when carrying an open emitter. Unfortunately, the only readily available and proven closed emitter option is the 509T. Hopefully, the Steiner MPS and P2 will change that soon.

[newyork]

Actually both mine constantly have dust and lint. Hasn’t ever made it unusable or anything but sometimes the dust makes the dot bloom.

[MistWolf]

I want to try an Acro P-2 on a Walther PDP since it will likely sit at a better height. Unfortunately, unless the gun is milled for the Acro (options coming from both Glock and S&W), that may be the only readily available pistol it works well on.

Forward Control Designs is working on an ACRO plate for the updated PDP.

CHPWS should have an ACRO plate for the original PDP.

[GJM]

All the open emitters I've carried act as a bucket for gunk to collect in. I usually clean the lens at least once every other day when carrying an open emitter. Unfortunately, the only readily available and proven closed emitter option is the 509T. Hopefully, the Steiner MPS and P2 will change that soon.

Doesn't everyone just lift their shirt and blow the RMR lens clear of lint a few times a day -- major advantage of AIWB over behind the hip!

[JCN]

Doesn't everyone just lift their shirt and blow the RMR lens clear of lint a few times a day -- major advantage of AIWB over behind the hip!

When I read that quickly I thought you were saying you fart the lens clean when carrying behind the hip hahaha

[GJM]

When I read that quickly I thought you were saying you fart the lens clean when carrying behind the hip hahaha

Golly no, but if someone was to try that, they better have an optic with a closed emitter, in case they got more than they bargained for.

[Noah]

Doesn't everyone just lift their shirt and blow the RMR lens clear of lint a few times a day -- major advantage of AIWB over behind the hip!

I wipe off my lenses with my shirt while I go number 2. Gun is in the holster attached to my belt around my knees. Has kept me alive in the streets so far.

[El Cid]

I wipe off my lenses with my shirt while I go number 2. Gun is in the holster attached to my belt around my knees. Has kept me alive in the streets so far.

I started carrying a can of compressed air in my dump pouch to clean the optic. It has the added benefit of scaring folks out of the restroom when they hear it. lol! ;) blues

[newyork]

Do you guys find there’s a really compelling reason NOT to go mos for an acro/Steiner? Is the height difference that much of a factor? Are the plates now good enough that it’s gtg with mos vs mill?

[js475]

Finally got a shipping notification for my P2 that I preordered from Kenzie's back in June. About damn time! Looks like they're actually starting to hit the shelves now almost a year after announcement. I look forward to putting this one through its paces.

[1Rangemaster]

Do you guys find there’s a really compelling reason NOT to go mos for an acro/Steiner? Is the height difference that much of a factor? Are the plates now good enough that it’s gtg with mos vs mill?

It’s not so much the plates, but the installation of same. Proper mounting is CRITICAL. I have not had any meaningful experience with milling. It does, obviously, take out a failure point-the plate. That said, I have experience with several dozen installations, and I read SoCalDep reports carefully. Properly installed, a plate works.
I don’t see height as an issue either, but in fairness, no real experience with a lower sight. I’m just happy that the sights give me a shooting advantage!
The only plates for an MOS Glock and ACRO/MPS sights are aftermarket. Tango Down, Forward Controls and C&H all used.

[newyork]

I have a CORE. RMR mounted up. Pretty solid so far.

[ssb]

Stumbled across one in a LGS today and impulse bought it. Now I need a plate.

[SoCalDep]

Stumbled across one in a LGS today and impulse bought it. Now I need a plate.

What pistol are you putting it on?

[ssb]

What pistol are you putting it on?

It’ll go on my P320F Pro series gun, replacing the Romeo 1 Pro.

[Default.mp3]

Stumbled across one in a LGS today and impulse bought it. Now I need a plate.As someone with two optics pre-ordered and paid in full:
https://c.tenor.com/tkjGlxj4Bp0AAAAC/dave-chappelle-haters-club.gif

I am curious as to what the Hell is going on with the distribution, if it's showing up at LGSes. Fingers crossed it means that the May timeline is excessively conservative, though history suggests otherwise.

[ssb]

As someone with two optics pre-ordered and paid in full:
https://c.tenor.com/tkjGlxj4Bp0AAAAC/dave-chappelle-haters-club.gif

I am curious as to what the Hell is going on with the distribution, if it's showing up at LGSes. Fingers crossed it means that the May timeline is excessively conservative, though history suggests otherwise.

The “LGS” is a major LE distributor’s retail store, which may explain it.

[JAD]

Doesn't everyone just lift their shirt and blow the RMR lens clear of lint a few times a day -- major advantage of AIWB over behind the hip!

Dude if I was that flexible I’m not sure I’d leave the house.

[Erick Gelhaus]

Stumbled across one in a LGS today and impulse bought it. Now I need a plate.

An Acro P-2? In a LGS?

[KevH]

Stumbled across one in a LGS today and impulse bought it. Now I need a plate.

I'm guessing you are in NorCal.

[Default.mp3]

https://i.imgur.com/e0GDHaMl.png
Oh, cool, more webstore drops. Wonder how many distributors will actually get. Apparently the P-2s sold out in just 2 minutes this morning, never got an email notification about them being in stock.

Well, at least Strohman is saying that I got into this batch, so that's cool.

[ssb]

https://i.imgur.com/qWsdnCq.jpg

Mounted via an Apex plate for the Pro Cut slides. Installation was easy and the plate was high quality, as expected.

The optic sits quite high. It’s not a function of the optic but rather my slide - the Pro cuts are DPP cut, and the ACRO is longer than the cut. Thus, the plate has to get the mounting rail to slide height rather than recessed inside. This means my suppressor sights are barely visible in the window (maybe lower 1/10 cowitness at best).

I’m sure it’s going to be perfectly fine to shoot, but my longer term plan is to buy a normal P320 slide and have it milled.

[Nephrology]

https://i.imgur.com/e0GDHaMl.png
Oh, cool, more webstore drops. Wonder how many distributors will actually get. Apparently the P-2s sold out in just 2 minutes this morning, never got an email notification about them being in stock.

Well, at least Strohman is saying that I got into this batch, so that's cool.

I got a tracking # from Strohman today.

[Erick Gelhaus]

I got a tracking # from Strohman today.

That is encouraging.