Beretta PX4 Storm - Underrated is an Understatement!

[CSW]

I jumped head first into the compact, thinking it was going to be my "G19". Last week I realised that while it shoots so softly, and was very accurate, it wasn't working for me.
Can't pin down exactly what, but it wasn't. the 92 series does, but this just didn't.

I'll have some holsters, lefty, for sale in the classified....

[gato naranja]

I jumped head first into the compact, thinking it was going to be my "G19". Last week I realised that while it shoots so softly, and was very accurate, it wasn't working for me.
Can't pin down exactly what, but it wasn't. the 92 series does, but this just didn't.

I'll have some holsters, lefty, for sale in the classified....

I know the PX4 is inherently a better, more advanced pistol than the 92. The compact in particular is a useful size, has ample capacity and has a superb recoil impulse. It is easy to clean, tinker with, and finally has - thanks to Ernest Langdon and a few intrepid people at Beretta - useable controls available no matter what kind of hands one has.

Nonetheless, I have cleared out all but my Subcompact PX4s. Why?

Beretta waited too long to do two important things: offer slides with good factory optics cut(s), and - more importantly - improve on the horribly dated grip frame... specifically texture, light rail slots and subtle contouring improvements WRT thumbs and forefingers. The 92X finally adressed most of the issues that I disliked about that platform, and if they had also offered a chopped 92X that was whittled down closer to a Subcompact size, my PX4 Subcompacts would probably have been gifted away by now.

[BN]

I jumped head first into the compact, thinking it was going to be my "G19". Last week I realised that while it shoots so softly, and was very accurate, it wasn't working for me.
Can't pin down exactly what, but it wasn't. the 92 series does, but this just didn't.


I have a PX4CC. When I fire the first double action shot, when the slide returns to battery, it always points low and I need to raise the sights to get on target for the second shot. I built up the back strap and it helps but it still isn't an easy pistol to shoot fast and accurate. I don't have the same problem with an LTT 92 and several other DA/SA guns including some CZs. I don't have the inclination to learn a different shooting style for just one gun. Safe Queen.

[CSW]

I know the PX4 is inherently a better, more advanced pistol than the 92. The compact in particular is a useful size, has ample capacity and has a superb recoil impulse. It is easy to clean, tinker with, and finally has - thanks to Ernest Langdon and a few intrepid people at Beretta - useable controls available no matter what kind of hands one has.

Nonetheless, I have cleared out all but my Subcompact PX4s. Why?

Beretta waited too long to do two important things: offer slides with good factory optics cut(s), and - more importantly - improve on the horribly dated grip frame... specifically texture, light rail slots and subtle contouring improvements WRT thumbs and forefingers. The 92X finally adressed most of the issues that I disliked about that platform, and if they had also offered a chopped 92X that was whittled down closer to a Subcompact size, my PX4 Subcompacts would probably have been gifted away by now.


I have a PX4CC. When I fire the first double action shot, when the slide returns to battery, it always points low and I need to raise the sights to get on target for the second shot. I built up the back strap and it helps but it still isn't an easy pistol to shoot fast and accurate. I don't have the same problem with an LTT 92 and several other DA/SA guns including some CZs. I don't have the inclination to learn a different shooting style for just one gun. Safe Queen.

I still have the 92C as a Beretta carry option, but have decided to just go back to my 9mm 1911 commander.

[gato naranja]

I still have the 92C as a Beretta carry option, but have decided to just go back to my 9mm 1911 commander.

The temptation to say "to hell with anything but a 9mm 1911" has been floating around my brain since 2016, but I really don't think it is wise for me at this stage of life to CCW any semiauto other than a DA/SA with a decocker.

Or possibly a DAO with a stout, long pull mimicking a snubby revolver.

[No.6]

My new-to-me PX4 compact is set up for carry.
Still waiting on a holster, and a lot of practice.

Two months and 9 days. Unfortunately, while I am left-handed, I don't shoot left-handed. What're you doing with the PX4 itself?

[CSW]

Two months and 9 days. Unfortunately, while I am left-handed, I don't shoot left-handed. What're you doing with the PX4 itself?



Both Px4 compacts were moved along to another user.

[HeavyDuty]

I see LTT has a new batch of PX4CCs available, including at least one new option - a flat trigger.

[No.6]

Both Px4 compacts were moved along to another user.

At least hopefully you recouped most of the cost or are otherwise OK. I ask because I'm the opposite personality -- I could mull over a choice for ages but tend to stick with, so throwing all in and moving them on in a short period is outside my experience.

[JTQ]

PX4 G-SD at LTT https://langdontactical.com/beretta-px4-full-size-g-sd-by-ltt/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzuYTI-8qxo&t=245s

[MattyD380]

PX4 G-SD at LTT https://langdontactical.com/beretta-px4-full-size-g-sd-by-ltt/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzuYTI-8qxo&t=245s

I just saw that. Neato.

It has a heavier barrel than normal PX4s, which reduces felt recoil even more. That's insane... the PX4 is already a cream puff. You think the heavy barrel is a Langdon-designed part or did it originate from Beretta?

[JTQ]

I just saw that. Neato.

It has a heavier barrel than normal PX4s, which reduces felt recoil even more. That's insane... the PX4 is already a cream puff. You think the heavy barrel is a Langdon-designed part or did it originate from Beretta?

From Ben_G at post #173 in this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?57397-quot-This-is-THE-Most-Underrated-Pistol-in-2023-quot-(-The-PX4)&p=1513765#post1513765



All that said, 2024 will mark 20 years of PX4, and I can confirm that Ernest and I have traded notes on PX4 configurations we'd like to see for the better part of 6 years now. And while I couldn't do much about any of that as the designer for US R&D, I did get moved to Product Manager over Collaborations and Special Programs a little while back.

[MattyD380]

From Ben_G at post #173 in this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?57397-quot-This-is-THE-Most-Underrated-Pistol-in-2023-quot-(-The-PX4)&p=1513765#post1513765

Nice... so it's a collab joint:

"PX4 G-SD" -- Beretta S.p.A, feat. E. Langdon w/ Ben_G

[Ben_G]

It's a great example of what comes out of the LTT/ Beretta Collaboration.

The Compact's heavier barrel profile had been theorized to be part of what made it shoot so damn well for its size. There were obscure extended compact barrels Beretta made for the Canadian market that my predecessor got to Ernest back in '16 or '17 which LTT was able to make work in a full size PX4 with some elbow grease and appropriate cutting. That gun ended up being an awesome proof of concept for what would become the G-SD. It took time for there to be resources available to dedicate to the idea and the overall product timing to make sense to get it in the development queue. With the 20 year anniversary in 2024, it made sense. We got with the Italian team again a little while back and they said they'd see what they could do about it (this is a TLDR...). So here we are now, with a direct from the factory heavy barrel full size PX4 with all the best factory parts we've done over the years shipping as the standard configuration for the PX4 G-SD, as well as a lightly updated PX4 Compact Carry 2, to showcase just how good the PX4 platform is still a revolutionary platform 20 years later.

LTT is getting the first batches in the US and offering their normal assortment of custom gun work, as well as offering new accessories as seen in that video. For the rest of 2024, other dealers will also have access to order the factory version of the G-SD and the Compact Carry 2 (which can the be sent in for LTT's custom work down the road).

[MattyD380]

It's a great example of what comes out of the LTT/ Beretta Collaboration.

The Compact's heavier barrel profile had been theorized to be part of what made it shoot so damn well for its size. There were obscure extended compact barrels Beretta made for the Canadian market that my predecessor got to Ernest back in '16 or '17 which LTT was able to make work in a full size PX4 with some elbow grease and appropriate cutting. That gun ended up being an awesome proof of concept for what would become the G-SD. It took time for there to be resources available to dedicate to the idea and the overall product timing to make sense to get it in the development queue. With the 20 year anniversary in 2024, it made sense. We got with the Italian team again a little while back and they said they'd see what they could do about it (this is a TLDR...). So here we are now, with a direct from the factory heavy barrel full size PX4 with all the best factory parts we've done over the years shipping as the standard configuration for the PX4 G-SD, as well as a lightly updated PX4 Compact Carry 2, to showcase just how good the PX4 platform is still a revolutionary platform 20 years later.

LTT is getting the first batches in the US and offering their normal assortment of custom gun work, as well as offering new accessories as seen in that video. For the rest of 2024, other dealers will also have access to order the factory version of the G-SD and the Compact Carry 2 (which can the be sent in for LTT's custom work down the road).

That's a really cool backstory.

I actually wasn't aware that the compact has a heavier barrel than the full-size (I own a compact, not a full size). Looking at pics, though, it's obvious. And it makes perfect sense that you'd have tamer recoil characteristics with additional weight in the action, etc.

It's cool to hear how you guys successfully navigated that idea through different "silos." I work for a bizz strategy agency/consultancy--with our clients, we see so many ideas get lost in translation between departments and internal politics. I'll be very tempted to try one of these heavy-barrel full-size guns. Figure it gives me an excuse to try the full size.

But I'm still holding out for the compact .45 :)

[fatdog]

The Compact's heavier barrel profile had been theorized to be part of what made it shoot so damn well for its size.


First, thanks for your participation here.

So I am curious about the newer .45ACP versions, the tan ones. Is the extended barrel on those, I think they are .4 in longer and protrude from the slide about that much, the same principle? Finding a way to make it a heavier barrel in the mechanism and reduce recoil? Or was there another reason for making those an extended barrel? Just curious and I know it was not for threading or suppressors or any of that.

[Noah]

First, thanks for your participation here.

So I am curious about the newer .45ACP versions, the tan ones. Is the extended barrel on those, I think they are .4 in longer and protrude from the slide about that much, the same principle? Finding a way to make it a heavier barrel in the mechanism and reduce recoil? Or was there another reason for making those an extended barrel? Just curious and I know it was not for threading or suppressors or any of that.

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/px4-storm-sd-type-f-FA0064

This gun?

[MattyD380]

Good question. And those have had the “SD” moniker for a while.

[Sidesaddle Cavalry]

It's a great example of what comes out of the LTT/ Beretta Collaboration.

The Compact's heavier barrel profile had been theorized to be part of what made it shoot so damn well for its size. There were obscure extended compact barrels Beretta made for the Canadian market that my predecessor got to Ernest back in '16 or '17 which LTT was able to make work in a full size PX4 with some elbow grease and appropriate cutting. That gun ended up being an awesome proof of concept for what would become the G-SD. It took time for there to be resources available to dedicate to the idea and the overall product timing to make sense to get it in the development queue. With the 20 year anniversary in 2024, it made sense. We got with the Italian team again a little while back and they said they'd see what they could do about it (this is a TLDR...). So here we are now, with a direct from the factory heavy barrel full size PX4 with all the best factory parts we've done over the years shipping as the standard configuration for the PX4 G-SD, as well as a lightly updated PX4 Compact Carry 2, to showcase just how good the PX4 platform is still a revolutionary platform 20 years later.

LTT is getting the first batches in the US and offering their normal assortment of custom gun work, as well as offering new accessories as seen in that video. For the rest of 2024, other dealers will also have access to order the factory version of the G-SD and the Compact Carry 2 (which can the be sent in for LTT's custom work down the road).

Interesting that this was developed off of the Compact extended barrel! Does the G-SD barrel happen to fit in a Compact slide? I'm interested in finding out just how much has changed about that thing off of the 100mm JBPX49CEXT model.

[TeeBee]

I succumbed to PF Peer Pressure again.

I'm feeling it as I'm reading through these threads.

CZ P-07/09s have been my go to for TDA guns for the last 10 years, but the Colt "acquisition" is making me explore alternatives.

[Ben_G]

So I am curious about the newer .45ACP versions, the tan ones. Is the extended barrel on those, I think they are .4 in longer and protrude from the slide about that much, the same principle? Finding a way to make it a heavier barrel in the mechanism and reduce recoil? Or was there another reason for making those an extended barrel? Just curious and I know it was not for threading or suppressors or any of that.

Those .45s aren't new, they were made for the Army's Joint Combat Pistol program in the mid aughts. The extended barrels where for a custom rail mounted silencer that used a gasketed sleave that rode on the barrel IIRC.


Interesting that this was developed off of the Compact extended barrel! Does the G-SD barrel happen to fit in a Compact slide? I'm interested in finding out just how much has changed about that thing off of the 100mm JBPX49CEXT model.

No, it doesn't. The Compacts have a feed ramp, so that old frankengun proof of concept had that bit cut off. The barrels in the new factory G-SD barrels are simply based on that concept; they're not that old compact barrel. The engineers in Italy did up a new barrel and slide based on the idea.


That's a really cool backstory.

I actually wasn't aware that the compact has a heavier barrel than the full-size (I own a compact, not a full size). Looking at pics, though, it's obvious. And it makes perfect sense that you'd have tamer recoil characteristics with additional weight in the action, etc.

It's cool to hear how you guys successfully navigated that idea through different "silos." I work for a bizz strategy agency/consultancy--with our clients, we see so many ideas get lost in translation between departments and internal politics. I'll be very tempted to try one of these heavy-barrel full-size guns. Figure it gives me an excuse to try the full size.

It shows the benefits of a proactive back and forth relationship with external SMEs, though we're still not exactly agile (though for 500 years, I guess that's relative). And this very nearly did get lost in the cracks from the time of the original pitch, but Ernest loves the PX4 platform, and I happened to jump 'silos' here at Beretta over the last 7 years and remembered that gun and the discussions around it.


We know the PX4 does still need some ergo and texture work, but those existing international MIL and LE contracts have 10 year service stipulations, meaning those old tools need to stay active and refurbished. Projects like this keep the platform advancing and maintain a commercial market presence and business case in the meantime. Until then, Talon and Toni grip tape, and Boresight stippling cover that gap, and some new opportunities for modifications were discussed at SHOT. We're going to keep working on these and moving that all forward as long as we can.

[Bucky]

Those .45s aren't new, they were made for the Army's Joint Combat Pistol program in the mid aughts. The extended barrels where for a custom rail mounted silencer that used a gasketed sleave that rode on the barrel IIRC.



No, it doesn't. The Compacts have a feed ramp, so that old frankengun proof of concept had that bit cut off. The barrels in the new factory G-SD barrels are simply based on that concept; they're not that old compact barrel. The engineers in Italy did up a new barrel and slide based on the idea.



It shows the benefits of a proactive back and forth relationship with external SMEs, though we're still not exactly agile (though for 500 years, I guess that's relative). And this very nearly did get lost in the cracks from the time of the original pitch, but Ernest loves the PX4 platform, and I happened to jump 'silos' here at Beretta over the last 7 years and remembered that gun and the discussions around it.


We know the PX4 does still need some ergo and texture work, but those existing international MIL and LE contracts have 10 year service stipulations, meaning those old tools need to stay active and refurbished. Projects like this keep the platform advancing and maintain a commercial market presence and business case in the meantime. Until then, Talon and Toni grip tape, and Boresight stippling cover that gap, and some new opportunities for modifications were discussed at SHOT. We're going to keep working on these and moving that all forward as long as we can.

I honestly hope Beretta does not go the agile route. As someone who has been in the software engineering industry for over 30 years, agile has been the downfall of quality software. Of course, I’m not supposed to say that out loud. You’re only allowed certain opinion these days. However, I’ve seen it with my own eyes and vast experience. YMMV.

[FowtyFigh]

Are the PX4 slides on the .45s wider than the 9mm slides? I tried installing decocker levers on a .45 and they don't fit. They're so tight you can't work them at all.
I installed the same levers on a 9mm, and they work fine.

I can't get any answers as to why though.

[MattyD380]

It shows the benefits of a proactive back and forth relationship with external SMEs, though we're still not exactly agile (though for 500 years, I guess that's relative). And this very nearly did get lost in the cracks from the time of the original pitch, but Ernest loves the PX4 platform, and I happened to jump 'silos' here at Beretta over the last 7 years and remembered that gun and the discussions around it.


We know the PX4 does still need some ergo and texture work, but those existing international MIL and LE contracts have 10 year service stipulations, meaning those old tools need to stay active and refurbished. Projects like this keep the platform advancing and maintain a commercial market presence and business case in the meantime. Until then, Talon and Toni grip tape, and Boresight stippling cover that gap, and some new opportunities for modifications were discussed at SHOT. We're going to keep working on these and moving that all forward as long as we can.

Cool. Thanks for the behind-the-scenes peak. Agile or not, I think the PX4 has earned a unique equity unto itself--it's a modern hipster gun that's as functionally excellent as it is unique. You guys have kinda turned the PX4 into its own de-facto brand, which is neat. Unorthodox... but unorthodox for a reason. I have a YouTube channel and my PX4 review is by far my most popular video. And there's nothin' but love in the comments. Certainly, there's no shortage of folks out there who dig the PX4.

And, personally, I find it reassuring/validating to know that MIL/LE contracts are fueling and supporting the platform--even if that means a few less consumer-y bells and whistles.

[TheNewbie]

More gun companies (or just companies in general) need representatives like Ben G.

[AdioSS]

Those .45s aren't new, they were made for the Army's Joint Combat Pistol program in the mid aughts. The extended barrels were for a custom rail mounted silencer that used a gasketed sleave that rode on the barrel IIRC.

You mean like…
https://i.postimg.cc/RqJ0CdHs/IMG-3366.jpg (https://postimg.cc/RqJ0CdHs) https://i.postimg.cc/jnfq8qT0/IMG-3367.jpg (https://postimg.cc/jnfq8qT0)




No, it doesn't. The Compacts have a feed ramp, so that old frankengun proof of concept had that bit cut off. The barrels in the new factory G-SD barrels are simply based on that concept; they're not that old compact barrel. The engineers in Italy did up a new barrel and slide based on the idea.
Can you share if the 9mm G-SD barrel is the same OD as the .40 & .45 PX4 barrels?


It shows the benefits of a proactive back and forth relationship with external SMEs, though we're still not exactly agile (though for 500 years, I guess that's relative). And this very nearly did get lost in the cracks from the time of the original pitch, but Ernest loves the PX4 platform, and I happened to jump 'silos' here at Beretta over the last 7 years and remembered that gun and the discussions around it.


We know the PX4 does still need some ergo and texture work, but those existing international MIL and LE contracts have 10 year service stipulations, meaning those old tools need to stay active and refurbished. Projects like this keep the platform advancing and maintain a commercial market presence and business case in the meantime. Until then, Talon and Toni grip tape, and Boresight stippling cover that gap, and some new opportunities for modifications were discussed at SHOT. We're going to keep working on these and moving that all forward as long as we can.
Ever since the first time I picked up an APX I’ve been saying that the PX4 grip needs to match that as close as possible considering the internal real estate required by the hammer spring/strut/etc. they appear to use the same magazine tubes & grip angle. But I think the PX4 definitely needs to keep the old magazine design. The triangle area on the front of an APX mag hangs up in my mag carriers. The only way I’d like to see any change there would be a true ambi mag release instead of just swapping from one side to the other.


More gun companies (or just companies in general) need representatives like Ben G.
Most definitely! We definitely appreciate Ben_G here!

[No.6]

I honestly hope Beretta does not go the agile route. As someone who has been in the software engineering industry for over 30 years, agile has been the downfall of quality software. Of course, I’m not supposed to say that out loud. You’re only allowed certain opinion these days. However, I’ve seen it with my own eyes and vast experience. YMMV.

Complete detour off the topic, but both yes and no. "Scrum" and its variants are just a software version of Ohno's lean manufacturing process. The "yes" comes in because lots of people saw this as an opportunity to skip due diligence and bamboozle business folks with jargon. The "no" because people who have to make their work work in order to stay working do all the same diligence as before, but in bite-sized chunks instead of big quarterly/annual release-sized chunks, and applied properly leverages automation in testing and other areas to do *more* quality checking than otherwise. (There's a lot more of the former, admittedly, because doing it right is still work).

"Agile" the concept is just being willing to listen to what people want and not too stuck in process to do it timely. That applies everywhere, although obviously (wrenching this back on topic) "agile" for a business that must support its product for the long-term and on whose product lives depend is, properly, more ponderous than "agile" for a startup app company where the only downside is someone's stuck on level 78 of their puzzle game.

[HeavyDuty]

A new PX4CC2?

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/px4-compact-carry-2-FA0135

[Noah]

A new PX4CC2?

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/px4-compact-carry-2-FA0135

It was kind of missed in all the shot show stuff on the LTT PX4s, , but the base PX4 Carry and Compact Carry were updated as seen here, with the stealth levers rather than low pro and a different Talon grip texture.

[Bucky]

A new PX4CC2?

https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/px4-compact-carry-2-FA0135

Oh MY!


It was kind of missed in all the shot show stuff on the LTT PX4s, , but the base PX4 Carry and Compact Carry were updated as seen here, with the stealth levers rather than low pro and a different Talon grip texture.

I haven't dabbled in PX4s since the early years. I had so called stealth levers on mine, which were super flush. These look less flush, but also appear such that they are angled in a way they can't inadvertently be "decocked" while racking the slide.

[Noah]

Oh MY!



I haven't dabbled in PX4s since the early years. I had so called stealth levers on mine, which were super flush. These look less flush, but also appear such that they are angled in a way they can't inadvertently be "decocked" while racking the slide.

I misspoke. The original super flush levers were the stealth levers. They were almost too small, so you could get what was called the Carry Levers as an add on, which are seen here and were also standard on optic cut PX4s from LTT.

[HeavyDuty]

I misspoke. The original super flush levers were the stealth levers. They were almost too small, so you could get what was called the Carry Levers as an add on, which are seen here and were also standard on optic cut PX4s from LTT.

I have a PX4CC, and I swapped out the levers for Carry ones like this. It looks like a minor tuning of the pistol, but useful.

[Guerrero]

Also the bobbed hammer.

[JSGlock34]

Surprised Beretta introduced a PX4 refresh without a factory optics option.

[Ben_G]

Surprised Beretta introduced a PX4 refresh without a factory optics option.

We definitely looked into it.

We don't have a plate system that we could retrofit to make work for it, nor was there resourcing available to develop a whole new set as these are essentially a line extension. Couldn't do a direct mount because we'd have to go with one of the Holdings group sister company patterns, and that becomes a political thing. Any conversation about implementing a new style of cut would also dramatically slow the program, require more resources, and generally gum up the works to make it so these models probably wouldn't make it to market.

The team made the call that we'd rather have these on the market (especially in time for 20 years of PX4), and the end customers do still have the option going to LTT for their cut to satisfy the need for those who want to run RDO.

Believe me when I say these would have RDO and improved ergos and texture if it were that simple, but we wanted the bird in the hand for this one, as well as keep the dream alive for keeping PX4 relevant. Incrementally moving the chains forward was the best path for now, and I genuinely think that we're still putting a damn solid gun out to the market and with some LTT love added in, it's one of the best; full stop.

[JSGlock34]

We definitely looked into it...

Fair enough - appreciate the insight.

[fixer]

When are the refreshed px4 shipping out?

[Ben_G]

When are the refreshed px4 shipping out?

LTT got the first batches, and those already shipped. In fact, I think the first orders should probably be landing at customers pretty soon given my understanding of the lead times.

The dealer and distribution guns are starting to ship from the US warehouses now.

[preeb]

We definitely looked into it.

We don't have a plate system that we could retrofit to make work for it, nor was there resourcing available to develop a whole new set as these are essentially a line extension. Couldn't do a direct mount because we'd have to go with one of the Holdings group sister company patterns, and that becomes a political thing. Any conversation about implementing a new style of cut would also dramatically slow the program, require more resources, and generally gum up the works to make it so these models probably wouldn't make it to market.

The team made the call that we'd rather have these on the market (especially in time for 20 years of PX4), and the end customers do still have the option going to LTT for their cut to satisfy the need for those who want to run RDO.

Believe me when I say these would have RDO and improved ergos and texture if it were that simple, but we wanted the bird in the hand for this one, as well as keep the dream alive for keeping PX4 relevant. Incrementally moving the chains forward was the best path for now, and I genuinely think that we're still putting a damn solid gun out to the market and with some LTT love added in, it's one of the best; full stop.

Except for the heavier barrel on the G-SD, what is the difference INTERNALY between the standard PX-4s and the new two models?

On the Beretta web site it states:
IMPROVED DOUBLE ACTION TRIGGER
• Provides a lighter and smoother trigger pull for unparalleled accuracy and control.
But comparing the G-SD lower to my regular PX4 Full Size I could not see any differences. Same exact internals. The trigger also feels and measures the same when I'm using the same hammer spring weight (I use the 10Lbs).

Comparing the new CC2 to my older CC, the new CC2 actually appears to be a downgraded version of the older CC.
The older CC had the chromed competition assembly and a better trigger bar. The new CC2 lower looks the same as the standard PX4 Compact.

Am I missing something?:confused:

[preeb]

LTT got the first batches, and those already shipped. In fact, I think the first orders should probably be landing at customers pretty soon given my understanding of the lead times.

The dealer and distribution guns are starting to ship from the US warehouses now.

What are the exact differences in the lower between the new g-sd/CC2 to the standard PX4 models.
The ones that I have are virtually identical.
The CC2 appears to be a downgrade from my original CC as it doesn’t come with a competition hammer assembly and improved trigger bar…
Please correct me if I’m wrong because they cost quite a bit more.
My plan was to get these and only add the LTT OP trigger bar but I’m afraid Beretta is “leaving” more work for Langdon.
On the other hand Langdon doesn’t offer the OP trigger bar lately… :confused:

[RealSelf]

Are the PX4 slides on the .45s wider than the 9mm slides? I tried installing decocker levers on a .45 and they don't fit. They're so tight you can't work them at all.
I installed the same levers on a 9mm, and they work fine.

I can't get any answers as to why though.

This is a great question, perhaps Ben_G can answer for us as I've been wondering if the external dimensions between calibers are identical. The listed weights appear to be identical which suggests dimensionally they are the same externally aside from the obvious internal differences. I also wonder if the Compact model is just a shortened slide version of the Full Size where all other dimensions are the same so you can run a full size holster with a compact pistol.

[HeavyDuty]

I was able to change cocking levers on my .45 PX4 with no issues. It’s been a bit so I don’t remember details.

PX4 Storm Tracker?

[Noah]

This is a great question, perhaps Ben_G can answer for us as I've been wondering if the external dimensions between calibers are identical. The listed weights appear to be identical which suggests dimensionally they are the same externally aside from the obvious internal differences. I also wonder if the Compact model is just a shortened slide version of the Full Size where all other dimensions are the same so you can run a full size holster with a compact pistol.

The Compact slide is relatively beefier with less taper on the various angle cuts. The compact frame is also shaped differently to accommodate the ambidextrous slide release not found on models with LTT controls.

A full size will fit in a longer compact holster but not necessarily the other way around.

[PX4 Storm Tracker]

I was able to change cocking levers on my .45 PX4 with no issues. It’s been a bit so I don’t remember details.

PX4 Storm Tracker?

The slide of the PX4 Storm 45 is slightly wider and the metal is slightly thicker. However, it is designed to take the same levers as the other PX4 Storms.

We have moved levers between SubCompacts, Compacts, full size 9s and 40s and 45s with no problem. They all take the same parts and dimensions at those points.

[LotI]

I bought an Olight PL-MINI 3 Valkyrie during their launch event last month and found it fit's the PX4 Compact very well. For $72 I could always use another light. The only problem is there are no holsters. I may take some time to make one but now I'm carrying the P30SK more since I have a light and holster for it.

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[LotI]

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[JTQ]

I bought an Olight PL-MINI 3 Valkyrie during their launch event last month and found it fit's the PX4 Compact very well. For $72 I could always use another light. The only problem is there are no holsters.

The reason when somebody is looking for a light for their new gun, I always recommend they start at the holsters they like find what lights they offer holsters for.

[JTQ]

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[LotI]

The reason when somebody is looking for a light for their new gun, I always recommend they start at the holsters they like find what lights they offer holsters for.

New shooters should go through the same thing their predecessors have so they can end up with a box full of the “wrong” holster. :cool:

[coN]

Range report of my (new to me) PX4 that I purchased from Lunker. And as the title of this thread states, it def is underrated. I primarily am comparing it to the P30L as they are identical in size, weight, and capacity. As I've reported prior, I haven't been able to shoot the P30L very well. This changed today, but more on that later.

* M&P 2.0 4.25" - Apex FSS trigger and Apex semi-fit barrel - Holosun 507c
* PX4 4" - Beretta Competition Trigger Kit
* P30L 4" - Gray Guns Trigger Kit and Flat Trigger
*PDP 5" - Stock - Holosun 507c

Without further ado...

First 5 warmup shots to see where I stand at 20 yards
https://i.ibb.co/DMR9Mfq/20240626-113716.jpg (https://ibb.co/myc9y5x)
The PX4 seriously threw me in a loop because there is no red dot on it, I was just using a center hold. I was extremely pleased. The P30L disappointed me as usual, par for the course.

Lets bring in the targets to 15 and see where I stand, minus the P30L as it was more of the same.
https://i.ibb.co/FgJXCdp/20240626-115527.jpg (https://ibb.co/jgGzsjt)
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https://i.ibb.co/jrM70D4/20240626-115621.jpg (https://ibb.co/crFzfQT)
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https://i.ibb.co/g4YdjWy/20240626-115712.jpg (https://ibb.co/GHm9xM7)

From there, I put in 150 rounds through each gun. But something clicked with me about the P30L which was due to the PX4. I'm not sure what it was, but I changed my grip a bit as if i was gripping the PX4 and I just got better & better with the P30L as the round count was upped.

So now, near the end of my range trip, I do a 20 yard 10-shot group offhand and then a 25 yard 5-shot offhand. Here are those results...
https://i.ibb.co/5cLfk2k/20240626-121141.jpg (https://ibb.co/F7zjXnX)
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https://i.ibb.co/RHPSdY5/20240626-122801.jpg (https://ibb.co/bdL3DQf)

Sidenotes, I started getting light primer strikes on the M&P as the trip wore on and I need to learn to slow down with the PDP. It's hard not to go fast with the PDP since it gets back on target after the slide reciprocates but it always ends with me getting stringy groups as shown here.

I'm still not sure what happened, but the PX4 caused a light bulb to go off in my head and it made me so much better with the P30L. That 10 shot group @ 20 yards says it all.

All in all, the big takeaway is the PX4's learning curve isn't as steep as the P30L and overall I am pleased with this purchase. I can shoot various platforms well but never have I been able to shoot a DA/SA so we'll out of the box as I have with the PX4, even moreso than my USP 45 Expert which was super easy to shoot out of the box, moreso than a Shadow 2, moreso than LTT outfitted 92FS, etc.

This platform gets a huge thumbs up from me.

[Lunker]

Range report of my (new to me) PX4 that I purchased from Lunker.

First 5 warmup shots to see where I stand at 20 yards
https://i.ibb.co/DMR9Mfq/20240626-113716.jpg (https://ibb.co/myc9y5x)

This platform gets a huge thumbs up from me.

It’s nice to see what my old gun can do with a good shooter behind it. Glad you’re enjoying it!