Best Tactical Cargo Pants

[Pepper]

Any good online sources that offer these things at lower prices?

They will probably have a sale over the 4th.

[MGW]

much appreciated.

One other question for those that have been wearing them...

The waists seem to be a known issue re: sizing from everywhere I look, and the pair I have are a 36 with no room to IWB when I typically wear a 34.

so the new pair of shorts are easy, I just get the 36, and the pants waist size I'm going to assume will match, but do they have the same issue (running small) in the length as well? In other words, if I usually wear a 32" inseam, should I size up to a 34"?

The inseam length was never an issue for me but the waist definitely needs to be ordered at least one size up. Not sure about the shorts.

[J0hnny]

+1 to the Vertx shorts they are pretty versatile and clean enough to not look overly tactical. I wear mine pretty much anywhere, the gym, beach or casual dinner. Do order a size up and be advised they tend to run "warm" due to the 65% poly fabric. Bonus they have a pistol mag pocket sewn into the cargo legs. If I don't care about looking "tactical" I prefer the Velocity Systems range shorts, they fit true to size and I just prefer the fit overall, plus they run cooler at 50% poly. They also have a mag pocket sewn into the self-fabric left top pocket.

[rob_s]

thanks for the help guys. I went ahead and ordered the pants in both a 32" and 34" inseam just in case. Also ordered the shorts in both tan and OD just to see if I wanted to wind up with a second pair in the same color I already have, or something different. I'll just send back one of the shorts and one of the pants.

i'll let y'all know what I find with the lengths.

[Doug MacRay]

I recently tried out some of the new Carhartt hot weather cargo pants and I am very impressed. They are ridiculously comfortable and seem very durable for such a relatively light weight fabric. They are reinforced in all the right places and have just a bit of stretch to them. They have plenty of pockets - 1 large cargo pocket on each side (no button or zipper), 1 deep cell phone pocket on each cargo pocket, 1 secure zipper pocket on left waist, plus the 4 usual back and side pockets. The cargo pockets lay flat against the leg when they are empty which makes them a lot less obvious.

They are called "men's Force extremes cargo pants" and are available on Amazon for about $50. They run true to size but are maybe an inch or two longer in the bottom which makes them drape pretty well if that's what you want. They are my new favorite cargo pants and I have them in both available colors (dark khaki and shadow grey, perfect for desert or urban use respectively). I'm hoping they add more colors at some point if they are good sellers. I would love a coyote brown or OD green. I'm going to check out their other offerings in this fabric blend as well (6-ounce, 53% cotton / 25% polyester / 22% Cocona® 37.5® polyester blend).

https://www.carhartt.com/products/carhartt-collections-force/Force-Extremes-Cargo-Pant-101964

[Clusterfrack]

I keep coming back to $30 LAPG Urban Recon pants. They are cotton, and fit me better than anything I’ve tried regardless of price.

[rob_s]

So you guys are going to love this...

Got the shorts and pants. The good news is that the 36” waist seems consistent between all three, and pretty much consistent with the old pair of shorts I have. However...

That 36” waist is *barely* big enough for this guy that typically wears a 34” at most. And when I say ”barely” what I mean is that the elastic is probably at about 75” of its stretch. And that’s without having washed them at all.

The legs on the pants? You’re not going to believe this, but even the 32” length is too long. Maybe that’s good news since someone previously posted that the shrinkage they experienced was all in the length.

But I can’t help but find it hilarious that a guy that wears a 34w 32l in almost every other pant I own, has to UP a size in the waist to get them to barely fit, and DOWN a size in the legs with vertx.

[MGW]

So you guys are going to love this...

Got the shorts and pants. The good news is that the 36” waist seems consistent between all three, and pretty much consistent with the old pair of shorts I have. However...

That 36” waist is *barely* big enough for this guy that typically wears a 34” at most. And when I say ”barely” what I mean is that the elastic is probably at about 75” of its stretch. And that’s without having washed them at all.

The legs on the pants? You’re not going to believe this, but even the 32” length is too long. Maybe that’s good news since someone previously posted that the shrinkage they experienced was all in the length.

But I can’t help but find it hilarious that a guy that wears a 34w 32l in almost every other pant I own, has to UP a size in the waist to get them to barely fit, and DOWN a size in the legs with vertx.

That’s too bad. I really hoped that they had corrected their sizing.

[Gray222]

Got a pair of 5.11 Quest pants on recommendation from a buddy, did a qual the other night and these pants are very comfortable, almost as comfortable as their APEX pants.

[rob_s]

That’s too bad. I really hoped that they had corrected their sizing.

In some weird way, they kind of have?

Or, at least, become standardized?

Several years ago I ordered three identically-sized pairs of pants from them and received three different fits, all wearing identical size tags (meaning, the issue wasn't that they sent the wrong sku). IIRC they were all manufactured in different countries, which explained the issue but didn't excuse it.

if it turns out that I have to order pants from them with a waist size of "monkey" and a length of "pineapple" then I can do that so long as I know "monkey" and "pineapple" are what fits me.

I use "monkey" and "pineapple" because if Vertx can't do numbers, i won't either when dealing with them.

[rob_s]

FYI, washed and dried once the 32” inseam is AT LEAST 2” too long on the pants, and the 36” waist is pushing it. I could easily see needing a 38w 30l, which in any other pant would mean I was a troll.

FWIW I’m 6’-1” 190 lbs. “office loser” body.

[LittleLebowski]

So you guys are going to love this...

Got the shorts and pants. The good news is that the 36” waist seems consistent between all three, and pretty much consistent with the old pair of shorts I have. However...

That 36” waist is *barely* big enough for this guy that typically wears a 34” at most. And when I say ”barely” what I mean is that the elastic is probably at about 75” of its stretch. And that’s without having washed them at all.

The legs on the pants? You’re not going to believe this, but even the 32” length is too long. Maybe that’s good news since someone previously posted that the shrinkage they experienced was all in the length.

But I can’t help but find it hilarious that a guy that wears a 34w 32l in almost every other pant I own, has to UP a size in the waist to get them to barely fit, and DOWN a size in the legs with vertx.

Are you oversizing a bit for CCW?

[rob_s]

Are you oversizing a bit for CCW?

Unfortunately, no.

[CWM11B]

FWIW, the one pair of vertx I got years ago were about two inches small in the waist. Tried them on, never wore them. They're in a closet somewhere. I'm sticking with Duluth, and sometimes Tru-Spec.

[AKDoug]

FWIW, the one pair of vertx I got years ago were about two inches small in the waist. Tried them on, never wore them. They're in a closet somewhere. I'm sticking with Duluth, and sometimes Tru-Spec. I had a stack of four pairs of Vertx that were way too small in the waist.. the 38's measured 36's. Good thing is, I lost 55# and they fit great for now. I've had the same issue with Duluth Firehose pants. At some time they changed from Philippines manufacture to Malaysia and the waist size dropped by an inch. I had a couple pairs of those as well that now fit.

[SAWBONES]

I had a stack of four pairs of Vertx that were way too small in the waist.. the 38's measured 36's. Good thing is, I lost 55# and they fit great for now. I've had the same issue with Duluth Firehose pants. At some time they changed from Philippines manufacture to Malaysia and the waist size dropped by an inch. I had a couple pairs of those as well that now fit.

That's what I've taken note of for years now now.

If you find some article of clothing that you really like, that fits just right, get more than one, before they change the country of manufacture, or the lasts used for shoes, or the materials of which it's made.

Time after time, dating I guess since the '70s, I've gone back to get another of this or that pair of shoes, or shirts or pants, that were "just right", only to find that whatever it was, was simply no longer available, or had become something different from what I'd bought before, even though the seller still called it by the same name.

[dsa]

https://truewerk.com/collections/pants-shorts-bibs/products/t2-mens-workwear-pants
Sorry to bring back an old thread but I like these too much to not share. I recently was issued a set of the T2's for my side job and liked them enough to get a pair of the T1's. Good to go and the price is reasonable.

[blues]

I got my 4th pair of the Duluthflex Firehose Cargo shorts in the mail today. The only differences that I'm aware of being:

Inseam is now 11" instead of 12" The 12" is no more.

I believe the new warranty is for one year except for issues with manufacture, defects etc. (Never been an issue for me. I don't buy one pair of pants and try to keep 'em going for 20 years by returning them when they wear out.)

Not sure yet if there are any other differences in material or construction other than the label they added to one of the hip seams which never used to be there until they changed the warranty. I noticed the same on the last pair of the long pants I picked up.

Since they have the same pocket arrangement as the long cargo pants, it makes the changeover "seamless" so to speak. (Well, what did you expect?)

On sale at the moment for $38.70 with free shipping. A pretty good deal.

https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-11-cargo-shorts-36333.html

[rob_s]

I’m actually glad to see this thread come back. It’s hot again and again I’m on my fruitless annual quest for:
1) Elastic-waist board shorts with beltloops, cargo pockets, back pockets, and a zipper fly
2) Relatively inexpensive but properly fitting cargos for choring around the house.

[Wheeler]

I’m actually glad to see this thread come back. It’s hot again and again I’m on my fruitless annual quest for:
1) Elastic-waist board shorts with beltloops, cargo pockets, back pockets, and a zipper fly
2) Relatively inexpensive but properly fitting cargos for choring around the house.

I've been using the Carhartt shorts for around the house and low impact excursions from the house.

[FNFAN]

FWIW, the one pair of vertx I got years ago were about two inches small in the waist. Tried them on, never wore them. They're in a closet somewhere. I'm sticking with Duluth, and sometimes Tru-Spec.

I'm a big fan of the Tru-Spec pants. They're near rip-proof, take a decent crease, blood washes out without staining and they're comfy even in the summer. Plus not every brand carries the 38 inseam I need. They make them in a light "suntan" shade instead of a brownish khaki and the prices are very reasonable. All things considered, they get my vote.

[APS-PF]

I love the Tru-spec Ascent pants and shorts. A little thinner and More comfortable than the regular Tru-spec.

[SecondsCount]

I’m actually glad to see this thread come back. It’s hot again and again I’m on my fruitless annual quest for:
1) Elastic-waist board shorts with beltloops, cargo pockets, back pockets, and a zipper fly
2) Relatively inexpensive but properly fitting cargos for choring around the house.

I picked up some of these shorts from Costco (https://www.costco.com/weatherproof-vintage-men%e2%80%99s-trail-short-.product.100516774.html) about a month ago. They meet all of your requests except cargo pockets. They do have an extra pocket in one of the thighs.

[equin]

I recently discovered the Wrangler ATG line of pants:

https://www.wrangler.com/shop/men-outdoor-pants

Their synthetic pants are very comfortable, less baggy, light weight and perfect for the summer time heat here in Texas. I think they also look less “tactical” than regular cargo pants. I like the utility of cargo pants, but was never a fan of how the extra baggy material would sometimes snag on twigs and branches in heavy brush. The Wrangler ATG synthetics are less baggy and have some stretch for more flexible movements. They also dry very quickly, unlike the cotton and “heavy canvas” cargo pants that just add even more weight when they get wet in the rain. A few of my cotton ones have also torn in the front during weighted belly crawls. With that said, the Wrangler ATG synthetic material might be more prone to tearing, as it’s much thinner than regular cotton ones. I guess time will tell how they hold up in that regard.

[rob_s]

Pretty much giving in on this and looking to get another pair of the Vertx Phantom LT 2.0 shorts and possibly a pair or two of the pants. Any good online sources that offer these things at lower prices?


much appreciated.

One other question for those that have been wearing them...

The waists seem to be a known issue re: sizing from everywhere I look, and the pair I have are a 36 with no room to IWB when I typically wear a 34.

so the new pair of shorts are easy, I just get the 36, and the pants waist size I'm going to assume will match, but do they have the same issue (running small) in the length as well? In other words, if I usually wear a 32" inseam, should I size up to a 34"?


thanks for the help guys. I went ahead and ordered the pants in both a 32" and 34" inseam just in case. Also ordered the shorts in both tan and OD just to see if I wanted to wind up with a second pair in the same color I already have, or something different. I'll just send back one of the shorts and one of the pants.

i'll let y'all know what I find with the lengths.


So you guys are going to love this...

Got the shorts and pants. The good news is that the 36” waist seems consistent between all three, and pretty much consistent with the old pair of shorts I have. However...

That 36” waist is *barely* big enough for this guy that typically wears a 34” at most. And when I say ”barely” what I mean is that the elastic is probably at about 75” of its stretch. And that’s without having washed them at all.

The legs on the pants? You’re not going to believe this, but even the 32” length is too long. Maybe that’s good news since someone previously posted that the shrinkage they experienced was all in the length.

But I can’t help but find it hilarious that a guy that wears a 34w 32l in almost every other pant I own, has to UP a size in the waist to get them to barely fit, and DOWN a size in the legs with vertx.


In some weird way, they kind of have?

Or, at least, become standardized?

Several years ago I ordered three identically-sized pairs of pants from them and received three different fits, all wearing identical size tags (meaning, the issue wasn't that they sent the wrong sku). IIRC they were all manufactured in different countries, which explained the issue but didn't excuse it.

if it turns out that I have to order pants from them with a waist size of "monkey" and a length of "pineapple" then I can do that so long as I know "monkey" and "pineapple" are what fits me.

I use "monkey" and "pineapple" because if Vertx can't do numbers, i won't either when dealing with them.


FYI, washed and dried once the 32” inseam is AT LEAST 2” too long on the pants, and the 36” waist is pushing it. I could easily see needing a 38w 30l, which in any other pant would mean I was a troll.

FWIW I’m 6’-1” 190 lbs. “office loser” body.

Most probably don't care, but somebody somewhere must find this amusing...

As the temperatures in SE Florida dip from 90s to 80s, I'm reminded that I'll want some sort of pant when the temps get to the 50s. I was thinking of this thread, and figured I'd try ordering up my troll pants from Vertx in my annual pursuit of futility, so I placed an order for some 38W 30L Phantom 2.0s in grey. Pants arrived, and I tried them on this morning.

Length seems right, but will possibly over-shorten in the wash, and is hard to assess because...

The 38 waist is voluminous. Not just oversized for IWB, but like falling off my body oversized. Went and grabbed up some of the shorts that I've been wearing, two of which are too tight while one is just right, to verify that they are in fact 36 (despite the differing fits across the range) and confirmed that yes, those are all 36" waist.

so, back they will go. I may try ordering a pair of the 36 first just to have two otherwise identical pairs on hand to photo-document for my own future reminder.

[equin]

I recently discovered the Propper Aeros and Lithos pants. The Aeros are lightweight and very comfortable. They have additional pockets but don’t look traditional cargo pants. The Lithos are a bit more heavy duty with heavier material. They also have good pockets but are more like a traditional pair of pants. They’re now my favorite outdoor type pants. Propper is currently having a sale on them right now, but today is the last day of their sale.

https://www.propper.com/aeros-lithos

[PNWTO]

I pretty much live in Railriders if I’m outdoors, they’re a bit pricey but bomb-proof.

[Chipster]

Advantage Police Supply on eBay has been selling off the old Woolrich Elite pants for $28 in khaki color. These were by far for me the most comfortable “tactical” pant I ever wore. I had two pair and it took years to wear them out. I bought six (6) so hopefully they’ll last me a bit.

[csheehy]

I recently discovered the Propper Aeros and Lithos pants. The Aeros are lightweight and very comfortable. They have additional pockets but don’t look traditional cargo pants. The Lithos are a bit more heavy duty with heavier material. They also have good pockets but are more like a traditional pair of pants. They’re now my favorite outdoor type pants. Propper is currently having a sale on them right now, but today is the last day of their sale.

https://www.propper.com/aeros-lithos

I just got a pair of the Lithos off Amazon. Curious if you find the waist to be sized "generously"? I ordered 36 x 32 and the waist is falling-down loose on me. Thinking of exchanging for a 34 x 32.
Otherwise, I like the fabric, front pockets are yuuuuge (I like that), and they don't really look "tactical" either.

[equin]

I just got a pair of the Lithos off Amazon. Curious if you find the waist to be sized "generously"? I ordered 36 x 32 and the waist is falling-down loose on me. Thinking of exchanging for a 34 x 32.
Otherwise, I like the fabric, front pockets are yuuuuge (I like that), and they don't really look "tactical" either.

Yes, now that you mention it, I did find the Lithos a little baggy around the waist. I’m typically a size 34x34, so that’s what I ordered. They were more like a 36x34. I washed them and threw them in the drier, and they did shrink a bit, maybe to a size 35x34. I bought another pair of Lithos, this time a size 32x34, and they’re right on the money, a perfect fit around the waist, albeit still somewhat baggy in the crotch area, which I don’t mind at all. However, I haven’t washed and dried those yet, and I’m guessing they may end up a tad tight around the waist when I do, but still wearable.

I will say the Aeros fit perfectly right from the get go and have not shrunk after several washings. The material is lighter and different from the Lithos, though.

[csheehy]

EQUIN:

That's what I'm going to do-wash and then machine dry and see if it tightens up a bit. I got them hoping they'd be a little heavier that the Vertx LTs I wear in the warm weather. Wasn't disappointed on that score. May
be the go-to for winter, since my original Vertx cargo pants have all pretty much worn out.

[Clusterfrack]

I'm liking my TD Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants. (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-carlos-ray-pants-2-1?variant=12359514292308)

The fit is true to size, after laundering in hot. The pants are stretchy and comfortable, and functional for ninja moves if needed. These pants have a jeans look and don't have side cargo pockets, which made me shift my wallet to the front left pocket, but that's ok. They fit my big knife, and my light. Most importantly, they also got the Mrs. CF stamp of approva--who inspected them from the front, then the back, and said "I like them."

I tried the new TD Braddock Pants (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-braddock-tactical-pants-2020?variant=32920569872468) with less success. The cloth is heavy, which I like. But the fit is... weird. The waist is really large (~34"+), and the cloth is super stretchy. The front pockets hang open with a big gap. Possibly I could go 2" smaller, but I'm not going to try.

Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210110/1fbc69085231019d8614842cd34534db.jpg

[JSGlock34]

Just picked up a pair of Under Armour Enduro Pants (https://www.amazon.com/Under-Armour-Stretch-Pants-Black/dp/B077XKN3PY/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1V2SDLORI0396&dchild=1&keywords=enduro+pants&qid=1610492192&sprefix=Enduro+pa%2Caps%2C226&sr=8-2). Very pleased with the fit; will see how these hold up.

[ECVMatt]

I have been wearing the the UA enduro's for about a year now at work. I wear them on Wednesday's and Friday's, my non tie days. They look clean and go well with my school polo. Two thumbs up for them.

I also just picked up a couple of pairs of LA Police gear jeans. I have tried tactical jeans from other makers and they did not work well for me. These fit great, stretch, and have a good assortment of pockets. They have a very pedestrian look and have held up very well.

[vcdgrips]

5.11 Defender Slims were a great find on the 5.11 website. Slim fit. Cool pocket set up.
24 ish if you can wear 38/40 waist. They have a bit of stretch.

[revchuck38]

I hit the end-of-year markdowns and bought two pairs of Vertx "stretch" cargos (https://www.amazon.com/Vertx-Fusion-Stretch-Tactical-Pants/dp/B07PJ2P4ZZ/ref=sr_1_5?crid=3LYWQ2UW509HB&dchild=1&keywords=vertx+stretch+pants&qid=1610492282&sprefix=Vertx+stretch+pants%2Caps%2C146&sr=8-5). They seem true-to-size, have the right amount of stretch to comfortably fit an IWB holster, and look good, but IMO have too many pockets. In my Wrangler cargos, I look like a typical geezer; in these, under close inspection, I fear I look like a geezer trying to LARP being a tactical operator operating operationally. I'm still going to wear them, though.

[equin]

I have been wearing the the UA enduro's for about a year now at work. I wear them on Wednesday's and Friday's, my non tie days. They look clean and go well with my school polo. Two thumbs up for them.

I also just picked up a couple of pairs of LA Police gear jeans. I have tried tactical jeans from other makers and they did not work well for me. These fit great, stretch, and have a good assortment of pockets. They have a very pedestrian look and have held up very well.

I have a pair of UAs that look like Enduros but don’t know if that’s what they actually are. Even so, they’re great for warm weather and have held up to some abuse and frequent washings. They don’t work so well in cold weather, though, as my legs feel warmer in regular jeans. But living in Texas, that’s not much of a problem except on a few occasions when it gets below freezing.

I tried the LAPG jeans, but I think their sizing is off, or I just got one sized wrong. I typically wear a 32x34 or a 34x34. I ordered a 34x34, but the pair I got were huge, more like a 38x36. Did you order a size down? They got great reviews, so given the price I don’t want to give up on them if I can dial in the right size. Much cheaper than the 5.11 jeans, which fit me great by the way.

[equin]

5.11 Defender Slims were a great find on the 5.11 website. Slim fit. Cool pocket set up.
24 ish if you can wear 38/40 waist. They have a bit of stretch.

I have a pair of those and really like them. They look like regular jeans, so I don’t have to look like a wannabe operator. But the pockets are nice.

[ECVMatt]

I tried the LAPG jeans, but I think their sizing is off, or I just got one sized wrong. I typically wear a 32x34 or a 34x34. I ordered a 34x34, but the pair I got were huge, more like a 38x36. Did you order a size down? They got great reviews, so given the price I don’t want to give up on them if I can dial in the right size. Much cheaper than the 5.11 jeans, which fit me great by the way.

In wranglers, I wear a 36x34 with flip flops and a 36x36 with shoes. I got those sizes and they were right on the money for me. I was at the actual store and got to try them one which obviously helped. The guy at the store did mention that the darkest color variation was specifically made for AIWB carry and had more stretch in them. I got the lighter color version and they were right on the money with my wrangler sizing.

[luckyman]

I'm liking my TD Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants. (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-carlos-ray-pants-2-1?variant=12359514292308)

The fit is true to size, after laundering in hot. The pants are stretchy and comfortable, and functional for ninja moves if needed. These pants have a jeans look and don't have side cargo pockets, which made me shift my wallet to the front left pocket, but that's ok. They fit my big knife, and my light. Most importantly, they also got the Mrs. CF stamp of approva--who inspected them from the front, then the back, and said "I like them."

I tried the new TD Braddock Pants (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-braddock-tactical-pants-2020?variant=32920569872468) with less success. The cloth is heavy, which I like. But the fit is... weird. The waist is really large (~34"+), and the cloth is super stretchy. The front pockets hang open with a big gap. Possibly I could go 2" smaller, but I'm not going to try.

Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210110/1fbc69085231019d8614842cd34534db.jpg

I had been about to ask you about these; I think I saw them in the “comfortable aiwb” thread.

I just picked up a pair of these plus a pair of the “Otte gear universal CL” pants. Have only worn these so far. I’m a bit worried about the waist shrinking; they fit perfect around the waist right now before washing. But I like them a lot! Only thing is I don’t know why they had to go with contrasting stitching on the pleats:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210114/f129083a95c7cafa7e9a937600d040dd.jpg

[Up1911Fan]

I'm liking my TD Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants. (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-carlos-ray-pants-2-1?variant=12359514292308)

The fit is true to size, after laundering in hot. The pants are stretchy and comfortable, and functional for ninja moves if needed. These pants have a jeans look and don't have side cargo pockets, which made me shift my wallet to the front left pocket, but that's ok. They fit my big knife, and my light. Most importantly, they also got the Mrs. CF stamp of approva--who inspected them from the front, then the back, and said "I like them."

I tried the new TD Braddock Pants (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-braddock-tactical-pants-2020?variant=32920569872468) with less success. The cloth is heavy, which I like. But the fit is... weird. The waist is really large (~34"+), and the cloth is super stretchy. The front pockets hang open with a big gap. Possibly I could go 2" smaller, but I'm not going to try.

Carlos Ray (AKA Chuck Norris) pants
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210110/1fbc69085231019d8614842cd34534db.jpg


I had been about to ask you about these; I think I saw them in the “comfortable aiwb” thread.

I just picked up a pair of these plus a pair of the “Otte gear universal CL” pants. Have only worn these so far. I’m a bit worried about the waist shrinking; they fit perfect around the waist right now before washing. But I like them a lot! Only thing is I don’t know why they had to go with contrasting stitching on the pleats:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210114/f129083a95c7cafa7e9a937600d040dd.jpg

Are these a slim/tapered fit? Thinking of ordering a pair but not into real loose fitting pants. Curious about shrinkage after washing.

[Clusterfrack]

Are these a slim/tapered fit? Thinking of ordering a pair but not into real loose fitting pants. Curious about shrinkage after washing.

Not super slim, but not "loose fit" saggin' style either. If you want a slimmer fit, maybe order a size down and only wash in cold? I could have gone with 30", and usually wear 32 for IWB carry.

What I like about the 32" TD Carlos Rays I have on now is that with all the stuff I have in my pockets, and a full-size gun AIWB, I still have a full range of movement. That does mean they are on the looser side for a jeans-style pant. They are tapered at the legs, and stay up while wearing boots.

[luckyman]

Are these a slim/tapered fit? Thinking of ordering a pair but not into real loose fitting pants. Curious about shrinkage after washing.

Just wore these after washing for the first time. Much neater fit than most “tactical” pants. Wife gave them the seal of approval just now, that’s a pretty high bar and is solely appearance related.

The pocket arrangement isn’t perfect for me; I’d prefer at least one super low profile cargo pocket. But everything else seems good, including front pocket depth and roominess.

[Up1911Fan]

Just wore these after washing for the first time. Much neater fit than most “tactical” pants. Wife gave them the seal of approval just now, that’s a pretty high bar and is solely appearance related.

The pocket arrangement isn’t perfect for me; I’d prefer at least one super low profile cargo pocket. But everything else seems good, including front pocket depth and roominess.

Thanks. I ordered two pairs of the Dynamis Alliance jeans and really like them, but even the slim are a bit roomier than I'd prefer.
I may try a pair of these too.

[luckyman]

Bit of a longer term update on these FWIW:

Carlos Ray pants are now probably my favorite pants.
Was originally worried about the 2 extra pockets on the legs being open-topped and a little narrow. The “narrow” thing is a real limitation, My kindle won’t fit in any pants pocket. But that is really the only complaint I have.
Got a “nice pants” compliment from my wife, my daughter, and a random soccer mom at the park [emoji1]
I Will have to admit, the pants are mobile enough that twice now I’ve gotten lazy on my light squat day of the week when I lift without a belt, and just worked out in these pants. Had to hitch them up just a tad, but no problems doing light low bar back squats, goblet squats, or kettlebell swings.

The Otte gear universal CL pants haven’t been as impressive. At first glance they look dressier which is why I tried them. But they are a little too baggy for my taste, and the material is such that it makes me want to iron them, and they still don’t look all that great. Plus a larper designed the pockets. There are weird hidden pockets that I would never use, and the pocket location/sizing is unusual and problematic for me.

So at least for me, one triple that almost made it out of the park, and one swing-and-miss.

[equin]

Yes, now that you mention it, I did find the Lithos a little baggy around the waist. I’m typically a size 34x34, so that’s what I ordered. They were more like a 36x34. I washed them and threw them in the drier, and they did shrink a bit, maybe to a size 35x34. I bought another pair of Lithos, this time a size 32x34, and they’re right on the money, a perfect fit around the waist, albeit still somewhat baggy in the crotch area, which I don’t mind at all. However, I haven’t washed and dried those yet, and I’m guessing they may end up a tad tight around the waist when I do, but still wearable.

I will say the Aeros fit perfectly right from the get go and have not shrunk after several washings. The material is lighter and different from the Lithos, though.

Wanted to give another update on the Aeros. After several more washes and putting them in the dryer, the inseam shrunk about an inch. The waist is still fine, though. I’ll just have to hang dry them from now on.

[psalms144.1]

I just got two pairs of the TD Carlos Rays in - love the design and construction, but the sizing is all over the place. One pair is slightly loose, the other (same size on the tags) I can get my clenched fist into the waistband without stretching them out. Both are very long in the leg as well - I wear precisely the same size in five or six other brands/styles, but these are oversized, over length, and inconsistent. Also, "hand wash and line dry only?" Seriously?

Waiting to hear back from them on their "100% satisfaction" guarantee, if I have to pay to ship them back I'll be pretty unchuffed...

[ECVMatt]

I was just going to follow up on my TD Carlos Rays....they fit the same as my LA Police Gear jeans. They are the "Just Right" spot with me, not too loose and not too tight. I have three pairs now and they all fit the same. The construction seems good and they have held up well to my rides through the desert on my TW200 and a few shooting trips as well. Nothing crazy on the bike as I am too old to break stuff, but they have held up well to some good swipes against the creosote bushes.

TD is also having a sale right now on the CR's.

I hope the above poster gets his situation sorted out.

[luckyman]

I just got two pairs of the TD Carlos Rays in - love the design and construction, but the sizing is all over the place. One pair is slightly loose, the other (same size on the tags) I can get my clenched fist into the waistband without stretching them out. Both are very long in the leg as well - I wear precisely the same size in five or six other brands/styles, but these are oversized, over length, and inconsistent. Also, "hand wash and line dry only?" Seriously?

Waiting to hear back from them on their "100% satisfaction" guarantee, if I have to pay to ship them back I'll be pretty unchuffed...

Crap, I have 2 more pair on the way. Hope they fit the same as the first pair.
LOL at hand wash. That’s not happening in my house. Think mine have been washed 3 times as of now, no ill effects so far from machine washing and drying.

[Clusterfrack]

I just got two pairs of the TD Carlos Rays in - love the design and construction, but the sizing is all over the place. One pair is slightly loose, the other (same size on the tags) I can get my clenched fist into the waistband without stretching them out. Both are very long in the leg as well - I wear precisely the same size in five or six other brands/styles, but these are oversized, over length, and inconsistent. Also, "hand wash and line dry only?" Seriously?

Waiting to hear back from them on their "100% satisfaction" guarantee, if I have to pay to ship them back I'll be pretty unchuffed...

I tried to return mine because one 32" pair (Braddock) was massively huge, and the Carlos Ray pair was 2" too large. The CS girl told me that they do not do refunds on used clothing.

It was an interesting pants experiment because the design is very unique. But, I'll pass on TD from now on.

[blues]

I tried to return mine because one 32" pair (Braddock) was massively huge, and the Carlos Ray pair was 2" too large. The CS girl told me that they do not do refunds on used clothing.

It was an interesting pants experiment because the design is very unique. But, I'll pass on TD from now on.

So that would be a "100% Guarantee" not to refund your money once they have shipped the items.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

I bought some Cabela's cargo pants a few years ago. Total junk. I keep a Surefire in one of the pockets (not a crenelated killer head) and it wore a hole in the pocket in a few weeks. The crotch wore out, quickly. Other brands didn't do that after long wear. I took them to the store for a refund and they told me that it was normal wear and refused to deal with it, very rudely.

[Oldherkpilot]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.

I couldn't agree more. I switched to the Riggs Work wear Technician Pants about a year ago. My Protac 2 flashlight is a bit too long and wears a hole in the back pocket, but otherwise they are perfect for my handyman business. They clean up much better than the George brand pants I was getting at Wal-Mart previously. The phone pocket keeps my belt open for other tools.

[psalms144.1]

Update - finally heard back from TD Customer Service. They're asking me to send photos of the pants showing the size discrepancy, but want to do so in order to replace them with the correct size. Fingers crossed - will update.

[luckyman]

Crap, I have 2 more pair on the way. Hope they fit the same as the first pair.
LOL at hand wash. That’s not happening in my house. Think mine have been washed 3 times as of now, no ill effects so far from machine washing and drying.

Got mine in; exactly the same size as pair 1. Whew good, I would have been ticked off.

[ECVMatt]

My two pairs arrived today and they are exactly the same as the ones I already own.

I hope TD takes care of the problem for psalms144.1.

[rob_s]

I finally won the Vertx size lottery and got a pair of pants that fits. I already had three pairs of their shorts that, while they do not all for the same, all are wearable.

The pants came long but seem to be self-correcting for that in the wash while not becoming overly-tight in the waist.

I now find myself not wanting to wear them since I found a unicorn that I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to replace!

[Hizzie]

I’m dealing with the frustration of finding new pants for work. The issued Blauer FlexRS Covert pants are too tight through the seat/hips/thigh and uncomfortable AF. My DuluthFlex are too hot for summer and barely pass uniform standards. 511 discontinued my Traverse 2.0’s and nothing from them remotely fit except for the hip hugging low rise Apex pant. LAPG Atlas pants didn’t offer enough flex and would definitely suffer crotch blowout so those are out. The Duluth Flexpedition are unbelievable soft and stretchy but, despite their claims, do not fit like the regular work pants and have a hipster low rise. I’m running out of ideas.

[Guerrero]

I couldn't agree more. I switched to the Riggs Work wear Technician Pants about a year ago. My Protac 2 flashlight is a bit too long and wears a hole in the back pocket, but otherwise they are perfect for my handyman business. They clean up much better than the George brand pants I was getting at Wal-Mart previously. The phone pocket keeps my belt open for other tools.

Try their carpenter pants; they're made from a heavier material than the technician pants (with which I wasn't impressed). The carpenters are all I wear now for casual pants, although I did order a pair of the TD Carlos Ray's from the sale.

[Oldherkpilot]

Try their carpenter pants; they're made from a heavier material than the technician pants (with which I wasn't impressed). The carpenters are all I wear now for casual pants, although I did order a pair of the TD Carlos Ray's from the sale.

I'll have give them a try, thanks.

[El Cid]

I finally snagged a pair of TD Carlos Ray 2.1 pants. BLUF: I don't expect I'll buy any more.

Some observations:
- The thigh is a bit on the snug side. I don’t have overly thick legs, but hopefully these will break in over time.
- Being able to wear a BUG on your ankle (or med kit) will be hit or miss. I haven’t dug out my snubbie to try, but the G26 and ankle med kit barely fit and someone who knows what to look for may figure out something is there. Also, the material is clingy enough that unless it relaxes over time, I’ll probably have to save these pants for days when I’m not at work.
- I’m not a fan of their belt loop configuration. I prefer the side loops to be along the seam, exactly on the side (3 and 9 o’clock). I have found over 25+ years of carrying a gun that this places the loop out of the way of any and all holsters, mag/light pouches, etc. The side loops on these pants are back near 4 and 8 o’clock which means my SOS pouch is too far forward or too far back, and is messes with where I prefer to wear my cuff pouch. I also prefer pants with at least 3 loops in the back to support the weight of all the crap I wear day to day, and these have one small one. Note, I do not like tunnel loops like some pants offer – but 3 well made loops work best in my experience. These Ray’s have a tunnel in the weird Velcro spot on the right rear hip where a leather tag would normally be on jeans. You can run your belt through it, but that would only give support to one side, and as a right hander, it doesn’t work with my OWB and IWB holsters. If I run AIWB then I could run the belt through it, but again – it’s only giving support to one side.
- The cell phone pockets. I had such high hopes for these… sadly they missed the mark.
-- I prefer cell phone pockets that swallow the entire phone, but my iPhone 8 and my work phone stick out about ¾ of an inch. I recognize cell phone makers are constantly moving the goal posts, and the idiots at those companies keep making them larger, but my iPhone 8 is not that new. Nor is my POS Android based work phone.
-- The pockets are also too low on the leg for me. The bottom of my phones hit the back of my knees which is uncomfortable when sitting, standing, walking, etc. Also, I’m 6ft 2in tall with fairly long arms, but standing up my finger tips can barely tough the top of the phones. I have to bend left or right to actually remove one from the pocket.
-- Finally the pockets are so loose that when sitting anywhere that your thigh is horizontal ore more (desk chair, vehicle seat, couch) the phones easily slide out.

I wanted to try the Braddock pants, but suspect they will have similar issues. I was waiting for VertX to make the Hyde pants in more colors... but now they appear to be discontinued. The search continues...

[Guerrero]

Try their carpenter pants; they're made from a heavier material than the technician pants (with which I wasn't impressed). The carpenters are all I wear now for casual pants, although I did order a pair of the TD Carlos Ray's from the sale.

Just an FYI, it appears the Wrangler has raised the prices on their Riggs Carpenter pants, so they're no longer quite the deal they were.

[rob_s]

Anyone want a free pair of 38x30 Grey vertx PHANTOM LT 2.0 MEN'S TACTICAL PANTS? I guess I waited too long to return them. They are re unworn save the initial try-on.

I’ll just ask you to PayPal me like $10 to cover my shipping cost (and to make it super easy for me to print a shipping label).

If this turns into drama or you make this difficult I’ll just throw them in a fire.

First one to PM me gets ‘EM.

[revchuck38]

Anyone want a free pair of 38x30 Grey vertx PHANTOM LT 2.0 MEN'S TACTICAL PANTS? I guess I waited too long to return them. They are re unworn save the initial try-on.

I’ll just ask you to PayPal me like $10 to cover my shipping cost (and to make it super easy for me to print a shipping label).

If this turns into drama or you make this difficult I’ll just throw them in a fire.

First one to PM me gets ‘EM.

Put them in the Karma thread. I've got two pairs of LAPG BDU pants that I bought in my pre-chemo size of medium/regular that don't fit, I now need large/regular. :( That's where they're going.

[equin]

I finally snagged a pair of TD Carlos Ray 2.1 pants. BLUF: I don't expect I'll buy any more.

Some observations:
- The thigh is a bit on the snug side. I don’t have overly thick legs, but hopefully these will break in over time.
- Being able to wear a BUG on your ankle (or med kit) will be hit or miss. I haven’t dug out my snubbie to try, but the G26 and ankle med kit barely fit and someone who knows what to look for may figure out something is there. Also, the material is clingy enough that unless it relaxes over time, I’ll probably have to save these pants for days when I’m not at work.
- I’m not a fan of their belt loop configuration. I prefer the side loops to be along the seam, exactly on the side (3 and 9 o’clock). I have found over 25+ years of carrying a gun that this places the loop out of the way of any and all holsters, mag/light pouches, etc. The side loops on these pants are back near 4 and 8 o’clock which means my SOS pouch is too far forward or too far back, and is messes with where I prefer to wear my cuff pouch. I also prefer pants with at least 3 loops in the back to support the weight of all the crap I wear day to day, and these have one small one. Note, I do not like tunnel loops like some pants offer – but 3 well made loops work best in my experience. These Ray’s have a tunnel in the weird Velcro spot on the right rear hip where a leather tag would normally be on jeans. You can run your belt through it, but that would only give support to one side, and as a right hander, it doesn’t work with my OWB and IWB holsters. If I run AIWB then I could run the belt through it, but again – it’s only giving support to one side.
- The cell phone pockets. I had such high hopes for these… sadly they missed the mark.
-- I prefer cell phone pockets that swallow the entire phone, but my iPhone 8 and my work phone stick out about ¾ of an inch. I recognize cell phone makers are constantly moving the goal posts, and the idiots at those companies keep making them larger, but my iPhone 8 is not that new. Nor is my POS Android based work phone.
-- The pockets are also too low on the leg for me. The bottom of my phones hit the back of my knees which is uncomfortable when sitting, standing, walking, etc. Also, I’m 6ft 2in tall with fairly long arms, but standing up my finger tips can barely tough the top of the phones. I have to bend left or right to actually remove one from the pocket.
-- Finally the pockets are so loose that when sitting anywhere that your thigh is horizontal ore more (desk chair, vehicle seat, couch) the phones easily slide out.

I wanted to try the Braddock pants, but suspect they will have similar issues. I was waiting for VertX to make the Hyde pants in more colors... but now they appear to be discontinued. The search continues...

Great observations. I bought a pair of the TD Carlos Ray pants as well. They’re decent enough, but they fit me a bit weird. The area around the waist is a bit baggy, almost like they were tailored for people with wider hips or something.

As for the belt loops, I actually prefer fewer belt loops - around 5 or so. Having too many belt loops tends to interfere with holster placement, for me at least. The LAPG chino pants and the 5.11 chinos have more belt loops if I remember correctly.

Anyway, I just got a pair of LAPG’s Terrain Flex pants and really like them:

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

They fit me better and are actually cheaper than the TD Carlos Ray pants. But they come in less color options. They have only 5 belt loops, though, which I actually prefer, but I know others prefer more belt loops. They also come in 36” long inseam, which I like because although I’m a 34” inseam, the LAPG brand pants always tend to shrink in the inseam after washing and drying a few times.

[Guerrero]

Great observations. I bought a pair of the TD Carlos Ray pants as well. They’re decent enough, but they fit me a bit weird. The area around the waist is a bit baggy, almost like they were tailored for people with wider hips or something.

As for the belt loops, I actually prefer fewer belt loops - around 5 or so. Having too many belt loops tends to interfere with holster placement, for me at least. The LAPG chino pants and the 5.11 chinos have more belt loops if I remember correctly.

Anyway, I just got a pair of LAPG’s Terrain Flex pants and really like them:

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

They fit me better and are actually cheaper than the TD Carlos Ray pants. But they come in less color options. They have only 5 belt loops, though, which I actually prefer, but I know others prefer more belt loops. They also come in 36” long inseam, which I like because although I’m a 34” inseam, the LAPG brand pants always tend to shrink in the inseam after washing and drying a few times.

Thanks for the link; I might have to look in to those.

My pair of TD Carlos Ray's are so close to being good. Yes, the fit is a tad weird in the waist, and the belt loops are a bit odd (especially the Velcro one), but I like the material and the general fit and look. I think I like them a tad better than my previous favorite (the Wrangler Riggs Carpenter pants). I don't want to look "tactical," and I, in general, don't want cargo pockets, but yet I'd like some sort of extra pocket on my left side for my pepper spray.

[luckyman]

Thanks for the link; I might have to look in to those.

My pair of TD Carlos Ray's are so close to being good. Yes, the fit is a tad weird in the waist, and the belt loops are a bit odd (especially the Velcro one), but I like the material and the general fit and look. I think I like them a tad better than my previous favorite (the Wrangler Riggs Carpenter pants). I don't want to look "tactical," and I, in general, don't want cargo pockets, but yet I'd like some sort of extra pocket on my left side for my pepper spray.

Yeah I have no idea what is going on with the Velcro; I just skip it.

Pockets are so individual....the 2 “cell phone pockets” might suck for carrying a cellphone. But I find the size/location perfect for comfortably carrying a tourniquet, for example.

[vcdgrips]

The mothership 5.11 website pushed out a sales ad today re pants etc. They had an apparent restock in my present favorite "tac pant"- the defender flex slim. 24 ish per pair, free shipping over 35.00 So get two pair or just one and add a t-shirt (10-15) and you are good to go.

These can do the work in the field but are "nice" enough to wear with a collared shirt and be "business casual" for most folks.


They have decent availability W-28-40/I-30-36 in Blk/light Khaki/Brown/and ODish brown (my color adjectives, not theirs). These pants are 65ish cotton/35ish synthetic so they have a bit of stretch such that while I would not size down, I would not size up re AIWB/IWB. They run spot on re length but if you had to go short/long, you could alway cuff them a bit, wear with boot etc.

They have the std 5 pocket set up augmented by two "mag" pockets behind each hip point.

I have 2 blk, 1 lt. khaki, 1 green and 1 brown already (5) . I am adding another lt khaki and an ODish brown to the mix. Sewn in Bangladesh, NOT CHINA if it matters to you.

I like these enough that I have sold all but one pair of OD Green Cargo 5.11 I am still using for Scouting.

Did I say they were 23.49 on sale marked down from 69.99?

https://www.511tactical.com/defender-flex-slim-6.html

[Guerrero]

vcdgrips how slim is "slim"?

[vcdgrips]

Slim trending straight, not skinny. similar to the standard Prana Zion Stretch pant in the seat and thigh, definitely slimmer through the leg and ankle.
In fairness, I do not have a big seat or thighs.


I am 6' 3'' , 204.6 this am. I typically wear 34-36 in the waist and 34 inseam for an off the rack pair of paints, jeans.

Even in the 34, after multiple washes, I can AIWB a G35 in CCC Shaggy, a mag in a Snake Eater Tactical and a Soc-P for a full IWB loadout with no issues to include a 6 hour drive.

FWIW, I washed these (34) inside out in cold and line dried the first few times. I did no such thing with the 36s I bought.

I think the photos on the website are representative of the fit.

Ed to add-ankle carry of a firearm may be marginal as they are about 7.5 inch wide when measured flat in the 34/36 ones I have. Cuffing the end of the pant would open them up a bit.
FWIW.

[NH Shooter]

Just picked up a pair of these - https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-relaxed-fit-foreman-pants-45704.html

Though not really "cargo pants" they have deep pockets, a deep zipper pocket where the useless "coin pocket" usually resides and a cell phone pocket on the right leg. The zipper pocket is perfect for carrying a Malkoff MD3 size (three 123 cell) flashlight. Best of all, the pants are comfortable, have plenty of room to move in and have some stretch, even in the waist band, without looking the least bit "tactical."

I'm picky about pants but I just ordered another pair of these.

[2xAGM114]

Just purchased and now returning two pairs of the Carlos Rays. They fit okay but construction seems sporadic, a couple of mis-sewn seams.

Tru-spec is having a sale until 31 Oct, 20% off. I've used their Expedition pants for SOTA (Summits on the Air) hiking in some fairly extreme conditions, bushwhacking, etc. The Tru-specs are robust, reinforced where they need to be and fit comfortably. Plenty of pockets with ones specially designed for cell phone, knife, spare mag, etc.

[ST911]

Tru-spec is having a sale until 31 Oct, 20% off. I've used their Expedition pants for SOTA (Summits on the Air) hiking in some fairly extreme conditions, bushwhacking, etc. The Tru-specs are robust, reinforced where they need to be and fit comfortably. Plenty of pockets with ones specially designed for cell phone, knife, spare mag, etc.

24/7 xpedition is a surprisingly good outdoor pant. SAR/brush/chore/range/hunt/etc pant, not everyday around town, but GTG. One of the better <$100 options of its type. https://www.truspec.com/24-7-series/pants/men-s-24-7-xpedition-pants

Knock-off of the Fjallraven Vidda Pros. I like the Viddas better. https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us/men/trousers/trekking-trousers/vidda-pro-trousers-m-reg

[Rex G]

Knock-off of the Fjallraven Vidda Pros. I like the Viddas better. https://www.fjallraven.com/us/en-us/men/trousers/trekking-trousers/vidda-pro-trousers-m-reg

Interesting. Thanks for this link.

[rob_s]

Kinda off topic maybe but…

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.

[revchuck38]

Kinda off topic maybe but…

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.

5.11 makes a chino-type slack that is close to what you’re looking for. I’ve got two of them, one black and one “stone” (off white).

[P30]

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.

The quote above is a rough spec of my Maier Sports trousers, model "Nil":

maier-sports.com/int-en/shop/pants/p106743-outdoor-pants-nil (https://www.maier-sports.com/int-en/shop/pants/p106743-outdoor-pants-nil)

amazon.de/Maier-sports-Herren-Wanderhose-coriander/dp/B01NCO8JJM (https://www.amazon.de/Maier-sports-Herren-Wanderhose-coriander/dp/B01NCO8JJM)

It's a German product, don't know how easily you can get it in the US. What I like most about it is that it's extremely comfortable and very lightweight. It's for warm temperatures.

[rob_s]

5.11 makes a chino-type slack that is close to what you’re looking for. I’ve got two of them, one black and one “stone” (off white).

This one?

https://www.511tactical.com/edge-chino.html

[ST911]

Kinda off topic maybe but…

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.

I think by "non-cargo" you mean no side pockets, but wanted to throw these options out there. These all are flat, low profile pockets and come in plain colors. Highly functional, may pass work scrutiny some places. Zipper pulls are removable.

Beyond Brokk (or Rig variants): https://beyondclothing.com/products/a5-brokk-ms-pant?variant=32487412432958Kryptek
Valhalla: https://store.kryptek.com/catalog/product/camo-pattern/valhalla-pant/
Kuiu Attack: https://www.kuiu.com/products/attack-pant-buckskin?variant=40481123434654
Prana Stretch Zion: https://www.prana.com/p/stretch-zion-pant/M4ST99116.html

[revchuck38]

This one?

https://www.511tactical.com/edge-chino.html

Mine have traditional slash pockets. That one might be a different one or maybe a newer iteration.

[LtDave]

Just picked up a pair of these - https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-relaxed-fit-foreman-pants-45704.html

Though not really "cargo pants" they have deep pockets, a deep zipper pocket where the useless "coin pocket" usually resides and a cell phone pocket on the right leg. The zipper pocket is perfect for carrying a Malkoff MD3 size (three 123 cell) flashlight. Best of all, the pants are comfortable, have plenty of room to move in and have some stretch, even in the waist band, without looking the least bit "tactical."

I'm picky about pants but I just ordered another pair of these.

I too like these. Concur on your observations. Only 2 nits to pick with the pants. I wish the cell phone pocket was about an inch deeper and the pair I have (bought off ebay at a substantial discount) came with metal buttons for suspenders. I just ordered a second pair and it appears the suspender buttons are no more, thank you DT.

[LtDave]

Kinda off topic maybe but…

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.

Duluth Trading Foreman Pants or Ballroom Khakis. The foreman are very stretchy, rear pockets are external. The ballroom khakis have inset rear pockets and are a little dressier. Not as stretchy as the foreman.

[Duke]

Ignore me because I “dress like a fag” I’ve been told -


But in 2021 wearing cargo pants you’re: A) EMS B) phone/Internet/cable installer or C) Gun guy.

The only real visual distinction is the ems/phone guys have scissors/pliers and the gun guy has a folding knife is fatter.

[revchuck38]

Duke - You need to add "geezer" to that list. Or is it to that Liszt?

[Duke]

Duke - You need to add "geezer" to that list. Or is it to that Liszt?

Awesome

No I’m just saying the bad guys, anit gunners and nosey Karen’s watch the same YouTube videos we do….meaning ubiquitous gun guy clothing items are Just that.

We’re not as concealed and inconspicuous as we feel - despite most the world with their heads up their asses in public

[TC215]

Ignore me because I “dress like a fag” I’ve been told -


But in 2021 wearing cargo pants you’re: A) EMS B) phone/Internet/cable installer or C) Gun guy.

The only real visual distinction is the ems/phone guys have scissors/pliers and the gun guy has a folding knife is fatter.

According to “The Google,” cargo pants are back in this year.

Of course, I’ve reached the point from Seinfeld’s stand-up routine where he mentions that all fathers dress in the clothing style of the last good year of their lives. I’m stuck in bootcut jeans from here on out.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8oxPAaJEWc

[Bucky]

Hollywood Weapons has been hocking Kitanica clothing line lately. Anyone here try them?

[rob_s]

Ignore me because I “dress like a fag” I’ve been told -


But in 2021 wearing cargo pants you’re: A) EMS B) phone/Internet/cable installer or C) Gun guy.

The only real visual distinction is the ems/phone guys have scissors/pliers and the gun guy has a folding knife is fatter.

Having just spent two days at universal studios Florida, I can tell you that cargo pants & shorts definitely aren’t always “gun guy”.

Although I did watch some poor guy with his molle-covered backpack surrender his CRKT at security rather than go all the way back from whence he came.

[rob_s]

Duluth Trading Foreman Pants or Ballroom Khakis. The foreman are very stretchy, rear pockets are external. The ballroom khakis have inset rear pockets and are a little dressier. Not as stretchy as the foreman.

The issue I’m having with a lot of these is that they all seem to add various cutesy pockets that I just don’t want. I’d prefer internal back pockets and none of these little extra pockets.

https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-ballroom-relaxed-fit-khakis-75287.html

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[NH Shooter]

The issue I’m having with a lot of these is that they all seem to add various cutesy pockets that I just don’t want. I’d prefer internal back pockets and none of these little extra pockets.




The cell phone pocket could be deeper, but it is functional. I work from a home office and so far my iPhone hasn't fallen out.

The zippered pocket on the right is a full size pocket. Though the access through the zippered opening is not as large as a regular front pocket, it's perfect for a Malkoff MD4 size light. I carry mine in that pocket and it rides so comfortably I don't even know it's there.

[vcdgrips]

Bucky:

Sample of one 10+ years ago. 3 day Rangemaster Instructor Class OKC Late Oct.

Student had a pair of shorts and a 1 pair of long pants for class. 1 other bottom for something clean after class. He said that those were the only three bottoms he travels with for a 5 day trip or less. for 6 +days, he said would add one more of weather appropriate bottoms depending on destination.

He was extremely happy with them. Given the multiple pocket set up, everything had a place. the Poly/Cotton mix were just right re not being too hot and warm enough otherwise. Made in the USA. Obvious down side was expense of initial cost. IIRC, pricing on the shorts is down from 10 years ago, pants about the same.

From the fashion POV, one could argue they are cut a bit generous in the width of their leg and have a tactical teddy v a hiker hank (i.e. Prana) or worker ward (i.e. Carhartt) vibe.

Having said that, I got pretty skinny legs and you know what works for you. Let us know what you do and why you do it.

[DMF13]

Kinda off topic maybe but…

Trying to find a kind of universal pant. Something khaki-ish stretch material would be great. No iron. Elastic waist of some sort without looking like sweat pants. Non-cargo. Non-iron would be great.

Just looking for something that could do multi-duty in a pinch. Casual, work, outdoors potentially. Pair with a t-shirt or a polo or button down if needed. Sneakers or boots or flip flops.For what you've described I like the Weatherproof Vintage pants. I was lucky enough to get a few pairs at Costco for about $20 each.

https://www.costco.com/weatherproof-vintage-men's-tech-pant.product.100757209.html

While they don't look as nice the Union Bay "UB Tech" pants are also okay: https://www.unionbay.com/products/rainier-travel-ub-tech-pant-khaki?variant=31811130228816

Finally I might consider these, but haven't tried them:
https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-chino-terrain-flex-pant.html

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-pt-shadow-ops-pant.html

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

[OldManClemens]

Would like to find a pant similar to the 5.11 Stryke pant, but better quality.

I initially liked the Stryke pants and wear them for work and also wear them for firearms classes and hiking, but after ordering subsequent pair they seem to be somewhat inconsistent in quality. The fabric wears inconsistently, and the inseam has varied from pair to pair with one pair being noticeably shorter than the others.

Want a pant that isn't super baggy but also isn't slim. The Stryke pants are no longer worth it in my opinion, especially since 5.11 raised their prices.

[vcdgrips]

OMC

What is your budget per pair?

[OldManClemens]

OMC

What is your budget per pair?

It's more about finding something that fits and is quality. I have like 8 pair of the Stryke pants that I rotate for work and recreation, and those aren't cheap. The ones I wear the most are starting to show sings of wear and I'd rather try something new and replace them with something else. I just don't think the Stryke pants are worth the $80 asking price currently.

[RevolverRob]

I've been wearing the same pair of Prometheus Design Werx Guide Cloth EDC pants 5-days a week for 4-months now: https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/edc-pant-gc-universal-field-gray?variant=31937042841686

They are super light, comfortable, robust, quick drying, moisture wicking, I could go on. In an office environment they work great. I won't buy any other pants at this point. I see no compelling reason to.

Yes, they are expensive. Here in the next few weeks though, I'll pass the point where everyday wearing them cost me <$1/day. I suspect I can continue to wear this pair for 2-4 years as EDC pants and then another 2 years as casual weekend pants.

And they're made in the USA. So buy 7-pairs of LAPG Made in China specials or one pair of PDW EDCs - your pick. You'll get probably the same mileage out of both purchases.

[EMC]

I still favor good old tru-spec 24/7s. They last pretty well.

[OldManClemens]

I still favor good old tru-spec 24/7s. They last pretty well.

How is the fit? I've read they are pretty baggy/balloon outing the thighs.

[EMC]

How is the fit? I've read they are pretty baggy/balloon outing the thighs.They are roomy, I wouldn't describe them as super baggy but they certainly aren't "athletic" fit like many modern pants.

[Erik]

I've been wearing the same pair of Prometheus Design Werx Guide Cloth EDC pants 5-days a week for 4-months now: https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/edc-pant-gc-universal-field-gray?variant=31937042841686

They are super light, comfortable, robust, quick drying, moisture wicking, I could go on. In an office environment they work great. I won't buy any other pants at this point. I see no compelling reason to.

Yes, they are expensive. Here in the next few weeks though, I'll pass the point where everyday wearing them cost me <$1/day. I suspect I can continue to wear this pair for 2-4 years as EDC pants and then another 2 years as casual weekend pants.

And they're made in the USA. So buy 7-pairs of LAPG Made in China specials or one pair of PDW EDCs - your pick. You'll get probably the same mileage out of both purchases.

This is pretty much where I am at this point on Kuhl except that I don't wear the same pair of pants 5 days a week (because gross and I doubt these would hold up to that, frankly) and they aren't made in the US. I'm a professional and I work in an office environment, when we're in the office. I find that the Slax and the Resistor (yes, stupid names) are good for that. Really, the Resistor are the better choice for an office, in my opinion. Kuhl pants are pretty much all I ever wear anymore in or out of the office - newer ones for work, older ones for whatever. I like the idea of the PDW pants, but that weird belt loop would never work for me at the office.

[APS-PF]

I still favor good old tru-spec 24/7s. They last pretty well.

I used to wear these all the time and then I tried one of their Ascent models. More comfortable fabric but perhaps a little less durable? I switched to them a couple of years ago and am still wearing the same 4 pair. I do work from home though and only wear them out of the house. They are roomy in the crotch area and work fine if one pocket carries which I hardly do anymore. Love the expandable waist for IWB carry.

[RevolverRob]

This is pretty much where I am at this point on Kuhl except that I don't wear the same pair of pants 5 days a week (because gross and I doubt these would hold up to that, frankly) and they aren't made in the US. I'm a professional and I work in an office environment, when we're in the office. I find that the Slax and the Resistor (yes, stupid names) are good for that. Really, the Resistor are the better choice for an office, in my opinion. Kuhl pants are pretty much all I ever wear anymore in or out of the office - newer ones for work, older ones for whatever. I like the idea of the PDW pants, but that weird belt loop would never work for me at the office.

What weird belt loop? You mean the little triangle ring in the front? It's plastic you could cut it off.

I have a pair of Kuhl shorts - they suck compared to the PDW stuff. I've already frayed the pocket where a pocket clip rides on them, not waving a knife open, just having it ride there. I actually don't feel they're worth the money I paid ($80). I wouldn't buy any more of their apparel.

Re: Gross - In general we over wash our clothes and that leads to more rapid fabric breakdown. I wash my pants after 5-10 wearings. That's what is recommended for most fabrics and especially technical clothes with Durable Water Repellant on them. Would you wash your Goretex jacket after wearing it once? Or even after wearing it five days in a row? Do you wash your shoes after wearing them five times? Which one sweats more your legs or your feet?

I don't wear the same boxers everyday, man. Nor the same socks or t-shirt. But those are usually cotton, not a technical nylon fabric with multiple treatments on them to resist water, offer breathability, etc.

[Erik]

lol OK On the Kuhl products, I've had a better experience than you have in terms of durability, though I imagine they are not as durable as the PDW. For me, the tradeoff is that I can wear them to work whereas (heh) the PDW are too cargo/utilitarian for my firm.

[vcdgrips]

Without a budget, it makes it very hard to recommend because PDW and Kitanica and the like at 179 for a pair of made in the USA Cargos are on the high side but they are really good stuff. I sense you would not be willing to pay that per pair.
I have not to date myself.

Paying retail for any 5.11, Propper, Tru-Spec, First Tactical and even LA Police Gear offering is usually function of poor timing as almost always somebody has something on sale. As mentioned above in the thread 5.11 just did a series of mark downs.
(Be advised that 5.11 Inc. shipping is quite slow and I am on week 2 waiting for my order. In fairness, they fronted the issue and have sent updates.)

80.00 retail for Stryke pants does not seem to be good value or worth relative to a a similar LAPG pant at half the price or 3x to 4x the value of a Wrangler Cargo@ Walmart/Target/Warehouse Store .

Without more guidance, I would likely recommend shooting the gap price wise to 50ish and going Wrangler Riggs Wear or Carhartt in a cargo pants.

I am also a fan of First Ascent/Eddie Bauer (40% off or better), Kuhl and Prana (both 20% or better) for a more decidedly Hank Hank v. a Tactical Teddy vibe.

Let us know what you do and why you do it.

[OldManClemens]

Without a budget, it makes it very hard to recommend because PDW and Kitanica and the like at 179 for a pair of made in the USA Cargos are on the high side but they are really good stuff. I sense you would not be willing to pay that per pair.
I have not to date myself.

Paying retail for any 5.11, Propper, Tru-Spec, First Tactical and even LA Police Gear offering is usually function of poor timing as almost always somebody has something on sale. As mentioned above in the thread 5.11 just did a series of mark downs.
(Be advised that 5.11 Inc. shipping is quite slow and I am on week 2 waiting for my order. In fairness, they fronted the issue and have sent updates.)

80.00 retail for Stryke pants does not seem to be good value or worth relative to a a similar LAPG pant at half the price or 3x to 4x the value of a Wrangler Cargo@ Walmart/Target/Warehouse Store .

Without more guidance, I would likely recommend shooting the gap price wise to 50ish and going Wrangler Riggs Wear or Carhartt in a cargo pants.

I am also a fan of First Ascent/Eddie Bauer (40% off or better), Kuhl and Prana (both 20% or better) for a more decidedly Hank Hank v. a Tactical Teddy vibe.

Let us know what you do and why you do it.

Lots of assumptions there...

I never paid full retail for any of the 5.11 Stryke pants. Bought them during friends and family sales, etc., and even at those sale prices I do not think theyir products are what they used to be as far as durability and consistency. I'd rather spend twice what they cost for something that will last than compromise for junk.

Wrangler ATG shirts fit me well, but their pants do not. Carharrt stuff is also junk and their stuff seems sized for people who are not athletic and are a bit more rotund on the middle. At 6'2 200lbs everything made by Carharrt is way too baggy/roomy, and I dont like slim or skinny fitting pants.

Pants are used for work (healthcare) and firearms classes, camping, hiking, etc.

[Erik]

If you have an REI near you, at least some of these can be tried on there. I did that before going with the Kuhl pants I selected and I was glad I did because some of the brands they carry just weren't cut right for me. I went with Kuhl in part because they fit me really well (their jackets do too) and in part because their style resonates with me. But I'm built very differently than you are and we may have very different ideas of what looks right.

[RevolverRob]

lol OK On the Kuhl products, I've had a better experience than you have in terms of durability, though I imagine they are not as durable as the PDW. For me, the tradeoff is that I can wear them to work whereas (heh) the PDW are too cargo/utilitarian for my firm.

I understand. But this is the tactical cargo pants thread, so I guess I didn't think that was an issue.

That said, I am easily better dressed than my colleagues who are wearing khakis/dockers and dress shirts. But that is primarily because I hem my pants to fit length wise, choose fits that fit me in the rise, and opt for more expensive and nicer polo shirts. Fit and quality supersedes many fashion rules. But of course not all rules, etc.

I like the PDW stuff because it fits me well, is light, well made, quick drying, and has durable water repellent treatment standard. Works fine here in Seattle, where water repellancy and quick drying are important. In Chicago these pants would be too light in weight for the wind and the cold. There you do have to go back to more traditional materials and larger cuts to accommodate layering.

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ETA: I think each person also has their own choice when it comes to features too. For instance someone mentioned and adjustable waistband for IWB being a feature they like in cargo. I HATE that feature. And it's an auto disqualifier for me when it comes to buying pants. I want no adjustment and no elastic in the waistband.

[Erik]

All good points RR and it's true that I am really addressing things that are more appropriate for the tactical/docker/cargo pants crossover thread because that's more my own use case.

[vcdgrips]

OMC:

You are correct. I did make assumptions based on your explicit comments that the Styrke pant was not worth 80.00 and your declination to provide a budget when asked.

I apologize.

Now knowing that you are 6' 2'' 200, I fully understand that you would find the fit of a Wrangler/Carhartt a bit more "baggy" for lack of a better term, than you would like.

In the future, when someone comes on a public forum asking for a clothes rec without providing budget, body specs and fit preferences, I will ask before providing a recommendation. Learning has occurred.


Best of luck on your tactical cargo pant quest.

[Clusterfrack]

I've been wearing the same pair of Prometheus Design Werx Guide Cloth EDC pants 5-days a week for 4-months now: https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/edc-pant-gc-universal-field-gray?variant=31937042841686


I really wish PDW had my size in the Delta Cargo Pant...

[RevolverRob]

I really wish PDW had my size in the Delta Cargo Pant...

I just wish they'd make some 28" inseam pants. I have to hem everything from them. I sometimes get a little irritated when I look at the amount of fabric I cut off when hemming...

[Clusterfrack]

I just wish they'd make some 28" inseam pants. I have to hem everything from them. I sometimes get a little irritated when I look at the amount of fabric I cut off when hemming...

And the articulated knees usually aren't right...

[MGW]

For non cargo pants I wear Duluthflex slim fit 5 pocket pants almost everyday. They have deep pockets and give in the right places. Fit without being skinny jeans. Also tough as nails.

https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-slim-fit-5-pocket-pants-84332.html?dwvar_84332_color=GNM&cgid=mens-pants-slim#feature=pantslim&start=3&cgid=mens-pants-slim

I’ve also been wearing a pair of 5 pocket pants from Dearborn Denim. I like them almost as well but they have less flex and not as heavy. I snagged a small spot on my hip the second time a wore them. They also shrunk more than the Duluth. In fairness the direction say to dry them on low heat or not at all.

[Cookie Monster]

Anyone got beta on the Go Ruck pants?

Simple or Challenge?


https://www.goruck.com/collections/mens-apparel/products/challenge-pants?variant=33008313303140

[rob_s]

For non cargo pants I wear Duluthflex slim fit 5 pocket pants almost everyday. They have deep pockets and give in the right places. Fit without being skinny jeans. Also tough as nails.

https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-slim-fit-5-pocket-pants-84332.html?dwvar_84332_color=GNM&cgid=mens-pants-slim#feature=pantslim&start=3&cgid=mens-pants-slim


I'd prefer something with slit pockets instead for my particular need, but otherwise those look good.

might try these but I'm concerned they're going to be too "starchy"
https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-class-act-standard-fit-no-iron-pants-23703.html?dwvar_23703_color=NVY&cgid=mens-pants-casual-pants

maybe these are the non-starchy option
https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-40-grit-flex-twill-slim-fit-khaki-pants-23735.html?dwvar_23735_color=SMG&cgid=mens-pants-casual-pants

[vcdgrips]

Cookie Monster

Those GoRuck pants (Made in the USA) look to be paying homage to the First Ascent Eddie Bauer Guide Pro Pants/Guide Pro Slim Pants

https://www.eddiebauer.com/p/12951063/men's-guide-pro-pants?sp=1&color=Saddle&size=

https://www.eddiebauer.com/p/12951535/men%27s-guide-pro-pants-slim?sp=1&color=Dk%20Pine

Country of origin on the sets I have is Sri Lanka. The quasi automated Customer service line at Eddie Bauer today could nor provide country of origin info immediately and will be emailing the information.

FWIW/YMMV

[vcdgrips]

Rob s

I avoid that starchy feeling with such pants by washing them inside out in cold water and either line drying or drying low and slow. Then, I iron (flat or creased) with a steam iron, no starch at all and move on.

Most of the time, for me, the 98% cotton 2 % spandex blend feels better on, has better "hand" and looks better, to me, than a typically 60 ish cotton/40% poly blend.

I admit that I have seen the DTC pants but I do not own them. Both are priced well and at least for the first year, can be easily returned, even if worn, for a full refund.

[javemtr]

I've had at least 4 pairs of the Eddie Bauer Guide Pro Pants and the problem with all of them has always been the seams. They simply come apart, for me especially at the front and rear pockets. Lots of reviews on their website also mention this. It's unfortunate because they are a nice lightweight 'athletic' option for hiking and such.

[SD]

https://www.truspec.com/closeout-vault/closeout-pants/mens-gen-1-vector-pants

For this price ordered some. Giving them a try, working in the backyard so dirty by lunchtime wife will not let me in the house.

[vcdgrips]

SD

That looks to be a very solid choice and far exceeding the intersection of quality/performance/value.

I suspect you could no better price wise/feature set absent stumbling into something second hand.

[texasaggie2005]

Anyone got beta on the Go Ruck pants?

Simple or Challenge?


https://www.goruck.com/collections/mens-apparel/products/challenge-pants?variant=33008313303140

I have both, in midweight. I like them, but have no experience with other similar pants to compare to.

[Clusterfrack]

I find the fabric too light and thin on almost all tactical synthetic cargo pants. I wish there were a 5.11 Apex (https://www.511tactical.com/apex-pant.html) type pant with 200-300gr fabric.

[ubervic]

I bought a pair of Carlos Ray pants a few weeks back. Very comfortable and plenty of well-placed pockets, but not so sure they're worth the $69 price tag overall. Somewhat thin material; long fit; too many branded logos that need removal, in my opinion.

Well, on a lark I visited their site just now. Tactical Distributors. Most if not all pants styles are at least 40% off regular price. Good deals, and quite a few offerings are sold out.

Don't hesitate.

[revolvergeek]

I find the fabric too light and thin on almost all tactical synthetic cargo pants. I wish there were a 5.11 Apex (https://www.511tactical.com/apex-pant.html) type pant with 200-300gr fabric.

Very fair point. I have them in most of the colors and wear 5.11 Apex pretty much every day to work, but I do sometimes wish they were a little heavier material for wintertime wear. Great for summer down here though. I generally carry 8-9 pounds worth of stuff around in my pockets and AIWB most days and nobody really gives me a second look and I am comfortable all day long.

[rainman]

I bought a pair of Carlos Ray pants a few weeks back. Very comfortable and plenty of well-placed pockets, but not so sure they're worth the $69 price tag overall. Somewhat thin material; long fit; too many branded logos that need removal, in my opinion.

Well, on a lark I visited their site just now. Tactical Distributors. Most if not all pants styles are at least 40% off regular price. Good deals, and quite a few offerings are sold out.

Don't hesitate.

Thanks for the tip...purchased one pair at 40% off to try.

I noticed the laundering instructions say "hand wash / hang to dry". Have you tried (or heard of anyone trying to) machine-wash these?

Side note; the only person I know who still hand-washes is my mom (and she's 94!). ;)


-Rainmna

[ubervic]

Thanks for the tip...purchased one pair at 40% off to try.

I noticed the laundering instructions say "hand wash / hang to dry". Have you tried (or heard of anyone trying to) machine-wash these?

Side note; the only person I know who still hand-washes is my mom (and she's 94!). ;)


-Rainmna

They're decent pants, and a great value at 40% off regular selling price. Hope you enjoy.

Handwash? Never.

If the pants are a bit oversized, wash in warm or hot water; dry in high heat. If they fit well, wash in cold or warm water; dry on medium setting (or until just beyond damp). No worries.

[rainman]

They're decent pants, and a great value at 40% off regular selling price. Hope you enjoy.

Handwash? Never.

If the pants are a bit oversized, wash in warm or hot water; dry in high heat. If they fit well, wash in cold or warm water; dry on medium setting (or until just beyond damp). No worries.

Thanks for the reply and advice.

I have to agree; great value at -40%.


-Rainman

[Clusterfrack]

I’m thinking about trying Vertx Delta Stretch 2.1. They use heavy 10oz canvas. I like my OG Vertx pants, but heard mixed reviews of newer versions. Anyone have these?

https://vertx.com/delta-stretch-2-1

[Guerrero]

I'm trying on the LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pant (that's a mouthful).

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

So far I like them better than the TD Carlos Rey's (for normally less money). They are definitely "straight fit" though. I'll post again after I've given them more time.

[Clusterfrack]

I’m thinking about trying Vertx Delta Stretch 2.1. They use heavy 10oz canvas. I like my OG Vertx pants, but heard mixed reviews of newer versions. Anyone have these?

https://vertx.com/delta-stretch-2-1

WOOT! Got a pair to try for $51.
https://smile.amazon.com/Vertx-Standard-Delta-Stretch-Tobacco/dp/B08GYMHYTS

[csheehy]

I’m thinking about trying Vertx Delta Stretch 2.1. They use heavy 10oz canvas. I like my OG Vertx pants, but heard mixed reviews of newer versions. Anyone have these?

https://vertx.com/delta-stretch-2-1

I had several pairs of the OG pants-loved them. Very durable, but over the years finally wore them out.

I have had three pair of the original Deltas (V 1.0?) and wear them quite a bit. Comfortable, softer fabric than the original pants, have held up pretty well. My only bitch is that they're
slightly inconsistent length wise. If I were going to order more, I'd probably go longer on the leg and hem them after wash/dry.

Trying a pair their Defiance Jeans now. Same as above, they are just a hair short maybe. Too new to tell re durability. Fits tighter like a pair of jeans (duh) but with some stretch and a crotch gusset they're comfortable, but a little tighter than the Deltas.

[ECVMatt]

I'm trying on the LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pant (that's a mouthful).

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

So far I like them better than the TD Carlos Rey's (for normally less money). They are definitely "straight fit" though. I'll post again after I've given them more time.


I have a couple of pairs of LAPG jeans and they have become my favorite pants. To me, they are more comfortable than the TDCR's and have a more consistent cut. My TDCR's are all over the place in size. Some fit perfect and others are a bit tight or loose.

LAPG is on the way to my range so I am going to stop by and check out a pair of these. If they fit like the jeans, I will get a couple of colors.

Thanks for the heads up.

[Bolt_Overide]

Tried the vertx jeans. Liked the layout, fit was a bit on the "skinny jeans" side for my tastes. Material also seemed way too thin, sent em back.

[ECVMatt]

Apparently I spent more than I remembered at LAPG and was able to use my points to get two pairs of LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pant for less than 20 bucks.

They should show up in a week or so. I will report back once I have them.

[rainman]

Tactical Distributors has the Carlos Ray pants on clearance again if anyone is interested...

https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-carlos-ray-pants-2-1?variant=12359514554452

-Rainman

[Clusterfrack]

I’m thinking about trying Vertx Delta Stretch 2.1. They use heavy 10oz canvas. I like my OG Vertx pants, but heard mixed reviews of newer versions. Anyone have these?

https://vertx.com/delta-stretch-2-1

Following up on these. I’m wearing them now, and they are excellent. The heavy, stretchy canvas is exactly what I was looking for. Fit is trim, but not skinny. Mrs. CF approves. They run small. Buy 1 size up.

[ECVMatt]

Well my LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pants showed up today. They are not as stretchy as the TDCR's but they are all uniform in size and all fit the same. They also fit exactly like the LAPG straight fit jeans. If you already have the jeans and like the fit, these will fit exactly the same and vice versa. all the pockets are located near the waistline. I don't really use thigh pockets on the TDCR's so I don't miss those. These have the high hip pockets that hold an Iphone or extra magazine comfortably. Right now I am giving the LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pant two thumbs up.

[omega9]

Well my LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pants showed up today. They are not as stretchy as the TDCR's but they are all uniform in size and all fit the same. They also fit exactly like the LAPG straight fit jeans. If you already have the jeans and like the fit, these will fit exactly the same and vice versa. all the pockets are located near the waistline. I don't really use thigh pockets on the TDCR's so I don't miss those. These have the high hip pockets that hold an Iphone or extra magazine comfortably. Right now I am giving the LAPG Terrain Flex Straight Fit pant two thumbs up.

Mind sharing where they’re made?

[ECVMatt]

Mind sharing where they’re made?

They are made in China.

[omega9]

They are made in China.

Thanks. I might give them a try. I have had the same size inconsistency issue with Tactical Distributors jeans. One pair is perfect, the other is 2 inches too big and 2 inches too long but the tag says it’s the same size.

[Clusterfrack]

...I have had the same size inconsistency issue with Tactical Distributors jeans. One pair is perfect, the other is 2 inches too big and 2 inches too long but the tag says it’s the same size.

That was the dealbreaker for TD for me, along with my conversation with their CS who refused to take a return of 2 pairs of outsized pants after I had washed them.

2nd pair of Vertx Delta 2.1 inbound. Note that these run 1" narrow in the waist and about 2" short in length after washing.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GYCQR5B/

[vcdgrips]

Random observations from a guy that has been doing "tactical pants" when 5.11 was Royal Robbins.

Day in day out, the LAPG brand exceeds the intersection of quality/value/feature set even at retail. A potential downside is much of their line in sewn in the PRC.

The knock against Vertx has often been inconsistent sizing and fabric behavior after washing. IIRC, this has been a thing since day one. It seems like early on, they were off loading a lot of inconsistent fitting product via Botach.

5.11, day in day out, has had some of the most consistent sizing and fabric behavior in the sub 80.00 retail space. A potential downside is that at retail, their pricing can be high and on sale, common sizes are often to find.


it is unfortunate that TD is having problems dialing their sizing in. The cut and feature set is often ideal for folks that want to move away from a more "tactical teddy" look to a 'hiker hank."

IMHO/YMMV

PS-I am still quite high on the 5.11 Defender Flex line.

[ECVMatt]

Not to pile on TD, but I ordered two shirts that fit well so I washed them. When I tried to put the shirts on, the plastic snaps broke on both shirts. I tried to return them but I washed them so it was a no go. I am torn if TD stands for Tactical Distributor or Tactical Dumpster. The CR's that fit are nice, but the one with a couple of extra inches in the waist are horrible.

I did not pull out the tape but did lay all of my LAPG jeans and pants on top of each other and they show little to no variance in size. I have worn both pairs of my pants now and they fit exactly like the jeans.

I agree with VC that 5.11 makes some great stuff.

[equin]

I’ve had good luck with 5.11 fit and sizing. LAPG stuff fits fine as well but the inseam has shrunk on every pair I own, from jeans to cargo pants. So even though I wear a size 34” inseam, I always order a size 36 inseam when it comes to LAPG. My TD pants have held up fine, but they fit a bit weird. Their slim jeans are almost like tight skinny jeans. And while their sale prices are decent, it’s hard to find my size when they’re on sale. But I agree that LAPG prices are pretty good.

[Clusterfrack]

2nd pair of Vertx Delta 2.1 inbound. Note that these run 1" narrow in the waist and about 2" short in length after washing.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GYCQR5B/

The 2nd pair of Delta 2.1 arrived today. The sizing is identical to my first pair. And they are made in Bangladesh.

[Doug MacRay]

Random observations from a guy that has been doing "tactical pants" when 5.11 was Royal Robbins.

Day in day out, the LAPG brand exceeds the intersection of quality/value/feature set even at retail. A potential downside is much of their line in sewn in the PRC.

The knock against Vertx has often been inconsistent sizing and fabric behavior after washing. IIRC, this has been a thing since day one. It seems like early on, they were off loading a lot of inconsistent fitting product via Botach.

5.11, day in day out, has had some of the most consistent sizing and fabric behavior in the sub 80.00 retail space. A potential downside is that at retail, their pricing can be high and on sale, common sizes are often to find.


it is unfortunate that TD is having problems dialing their sizing in. The cut and feature set is often ideal for folks that want to move away from a more "tactical teddy" look to a 'hiker hank."

IMHO/YMMV

PS-I am still quite high on the 5.11 Defender Flex line.


I second this. I've found LAPG's clothing to be just about the best value around. I've had really good luck with their pants and polo shirts, which fit true to size (a rarity these days it seems). Their Chino pants and jeans in slim fit/stretch sizes fit like a dream for those with a muscular build looking for something between form-fitting and baggy. They are loose enough to be comfortable and maneuverable but slim enough to look very professional for a business casual setting. Their polo shirts are some of the best I've found when it comes to fit and material quality. Over the years I've gone back to them for my daily business clothing, though I have limited experience with their cargo-style "tactical" pants. The only pair of those I own are fine but unremarkable. They also have a pretty generous rewards program that is free when you make an account (free points for leaving reviews, etc.).

[Erick Gelhaus]

I haven't found consistent sizing in the LAPG line. Won't buy any more trousers from them.

[Casey]

That was the dealbreaker for TD for me, along with my conversation with their CS who refused to take a return of 2 pairs of outsized pants after I had washed them.


Not to pile on TD, but I ordered two shirts that fit well so I washed them. When I tried to put the shirts on, the plastic snaps broke on both shirts. I tried to return them but I washed them so it was a no go. I am torn if TD stands for Tactical Distributor or Tactical Dumpster.

Disappointing to hear this. I've had good customer service from TD on two different occasions with two different generations of their Neptune pants (one where the pocket mesh gave out and one where the fly button came loose). In both instances, replacement pants were provided immediately, even though the defective pants had been worn and washed a number of times. Granted, those were material defects and not sizing issues.

[omega9]

Random observations from a guy that has been doing "tactical pants" when 5.11 was Royal Robbins.

Day in day out, the LAPG brand exceeds the intersection of quality/value/feature set even at retail. A potential downside is much of their line in sewn in the PRC.

The knock against Vertx has often been inconsistent sizing and fabric behavior after washing. IIRC, this has been a thing since day one. It seems like early on, they were off loading a lot of inconsistent fitting product via Botach.

5.11, day in day out, has had some of the most consistent sizing and fabric behavior in the sub 80.00 retail space. A potential downside is that at retail, their pricing can be high and on sale, common sizes are often to find.


it is unfortunate that TD is having problems dialing their sizing in. The cut and feature set is often ideal for folks that want to move away from a more "tactical teddy" look to a 'hiker hank."


PS-I am still quite high on the 5.11 Defender Flex line.

Thanks for posting this. I have a 5.11 store about 3 miles away, I never even thought about checking our their jeans until you posted.

[John Hearne]

Work used to provide 5.11 pants for BDU style uniform. This year they are pushing pants from First Tactical. Initial impressions are favorable. Pockets are large and deeper than 5.11. The 5.11's had the option of a knee pad insert. I ordered a set and quickly realized the pocket for the pads was too high to actually protect your knees. The knee pad pocket in the First Tactical appear to be better placed. I tried the 5.11 pads and while they didn't fill the pocket, they sat at the right level. I ordered a set of knee pads for the First Tactical pants and they should be here this week.

https://www.firsttactical.com/collections/pants-men/products/mens-v2-tactical-pants

[John Hearne]

Followup:
I received the knee pads this week and have been wearing the knee pads for a couple of days. The factory offers two kinds of pads, a hard and a soft, I ordered the soft.

Everything is tradeoffs and these kneepads err on the side of serious protection. They are effectively a double layer of stiff foam. The good is that they offer a lot of protection. The negative is that they are bulky and very obvious when being worn. If I were on a SWAT team, these might be a great solution. For someone who wants some incidental protection because your knees are old, these are a bit much. I like the size and placement of the knee pads in these pants. I may try to find a source of some thinner, single layer foam and make my own.

[vcdgrips]

LAPG makes an insert @6.99 that clearly mimics the 5.11 ones. As the pocket area of the pant is what is driving the train, those might work.

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-ac-tk421.html?sku=AC-TK421&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuMuRBhCJARIsAHXdnqN365DGtqEbCceAz0zu bk_rUGjx78kYF7p-sF72WMJb7e6o7P07354aAriHEALw_wcB

I wonder if some “old school” sleeping bag/sit down padding could be repurposed, either in original thickness or “filleted.”

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EVA-Hiking-Seat-Pad-1-2-4PCS-Foldable-Z-Ultralight-Sitting-Pad-for-Camping-Backpacking-Stadium-Outdoor-Blue/448698214?athbdg=L1700

[JAD]

I have a couple pairs of Kuhl Outsidrs that have held up really well. Light enough for the summer and roomy enough to go over long Johns. Good pockets (tho not deep enough for a J frame). Very rugged.

[John Hearne]

LAPG makes an insert @6.99 that clearly mimics the 5.11 ones. As the pocket area of the pant is what is driving the train, those might work.

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-ac-tk421.html?sku=AC-TK421&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuMuRBhCJARIsAHXdnqN365DGtqEbCceAz0zu bk_rUGjx78kYF7p-sF72WMJb7e6o7P07354aAriHEALw_wcB



Follow up in case anyone cares. I tried the LAPG pads and they weren't great. The knee pad pockets in the pants are on the large side and the LAPG pads floated a good bit. They were definitely thin and if the factory pads were too thick, the LAPG were probably too thin.

I did not know there was a rich aftermarket for slide-in knee pads out there but I ended up trying some pads off of Amazon. This is my first day with them but they seem to fill the pocket well - there's some slop to either side but it makes sure the pads stay flat. They are definitely thicker than the LAPG pads and may be the Goldilocks option. The instructions say you can wash the pants with the pads in place so this looks promising. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VHFD4LE/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_api_i_FC28RFFD77TBRDF860XY?_encodi ng=UTF8&psc=1

[rob_s]

Getting warm out again, so thought I'd continue the tangent on tactical cargo shorts...

Have we talked about the 5.11 TacLite pro 9.5 (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-shorts.html) yet? *Seems* to tick some boxes for me (elastic waist, belt loops, couple of extra pockets, not too baggy, not too long...) but are these just the OG 5.11 shorts re-imagined, and just as baggy?

Ideally I'm looking for something that moves and isn't too constricting, but also isn't too baggy and/or long (not trying to be all jorty up in here). I like having elastic waist for both bumming around house but also being able to add a belt and IWB.

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[rob_s]

Getting warm out again, so thought I'd continue the tangent on tactical cargo shorts...

Have we talked about the 5.11 TacLite pro 9.5 (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-shorts.html) yet? *Seems* to tick some boxes for me (elastic waist, belt loops, couple of extra pockets, not too baggy, not too long...) but are these just the OG 5.11 shorts re-imagined, and just as baggy?

Ideally I'm looking for something that moves and isn't too constricting, but also isn't too baggy and/or long (not trying to be all jorty up in here). I like having elastic waist for both bumming around house but also being able to add a belt and IWB.

88049

Jesus Christ, looks like I answered my own question 4 years ago... :p If the below is what I have now, they are definitely baggier in real life, although the length isn't bad. Not sure if they've been updated since then.


So LA Police Gea had 5.11 taclite pro shorts on sale.
https://lapolicegear.com/511-taclite-pro-shorts.html

Got a 34” and a 36”. 34 fit better even though in many brands, like Levis, I seem to have left the land of the 34. They aren’t perfect (modern cell phone doesn’t fit the small pocket, elastic isn’t as tight as I’d like, material is a little too plastic-y) but for knockaround shorts that are <$35 they’ll do ok.

Funny that I’m back where I started 15+ years ago. Royal Robbins 5.11 were for sure my first “tactical” pants and shorts.

The vertex are probably my favorite that I’ve tried. They look just un-lame enough that I don’t mind leaving the house in them if I need to. The 5.11 and other cargo shorts I have are good for a Home Depot run and not much else. But at the price of the Vertx I don’t really want to wear the for chorin since I’d feel bad getting them munged and don’t want to pay the price to replace them.

[Clusterfrack]

Getting warm out again, so thought I'd continue the tangent on tactical cargo shorts...

Have we talked about the 5.11 TacLite pro 9.5 (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-shorts.html) yet? *Seems* to tick some boxes for me (elastic waist, belt loops, couple of extra pockets, not too baggy, not too long...) but are these just the OG 5.11 shorts re-imagined, and just as baggy?

Ideally I'm looking for something that moves and isn't too constricting, but also isn't too baggy and/or long (not trying to be all jorty up in here). I like having elastic waist for both bumming around house but also being able to add a belt and IWB.


I haven't tried the new ones, but have arrived at a general conclusion: all pants and shorts should be made of cloth that stretches. Mechanical stretch or Lycra/elastane makes a huge difference in range of movement and comfort, especially with a gun carried AIWB.

[rob_s]

I haven't tried the new ones, but have arrived at a general conclusion: all pants and shorts should be made of cloth that stretches. Mechanical stretch or Lycra/elastane makes a huge difference in range of movement and comfort, especially with a gun carried AIWB.

yeah, I don't disagree with this, but the most important part to me is the old-timey elastic waistband for around-the-house-and-choring-and-camping shorts.

We were camping this past weekend and I have some shorts the wife got at Target that are amazing but they are my "fat" shorts and I done gone and lost that Covid weight so everything required a belt, which just isn't great when you're just trying to get out of the camper to go have coffee by the river before the sun comes up...

[GyroF-16]

Getting warm out again, so thought I'd continue the tangent on tactical cargo shorts...

Have we talked about the 5.11 TacLite pro 9.5 (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-shorts.html) yet? *Seems* to tick some boxes for me (elastic waist, belt loops, couple of extra pockets, not too baggy, not too long...) but are these just the OG 5.11 shorts re-imagined, and just as baggy?

Ideally I'm looking for something that moves and isn't too constricting, but also isn't too baggy and/or long (not trying to be all jorty up in here). I like having elastic waist for both bumming around house but also being able to add a belt and IWB.



I’ll check in with my recommendation for 5.11 Apex shorts

https://www.511tactical.com/apex-short.html

No elastic waist (which I find uncomfortable when wearing a belt and carrying a holstered pistol), but roomy without being baggy.
Great for shooting matches and doing chores, but also pretty presentable for going out into the world for normal life.
At $75 MSRP, they’re kinda pricey, but I mostly wait for sales and buy multiples.

[Casey]

I’ll check in with my recommendation for 5.11 Apex shorts

https://www.511tactical.com/apex-short.html

No elastic waist (which I find uncomfortable when wearing a belt and carrying a holstered pistol), but roomy without being baggy.
Just to clarify, there are stretch panels in the waist—it's the pieces of different fabric that form the pocket bags, forward of the 3:00 and 9:00 belt loops. It's not your traditional tunnel elastic waistband, and it's more comfortable.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52041055035_65f75d4704_c.jpg

[Wyoming Shooter]

These were recommended earlier in this thread and are now on sale. I bought 3 pair for $96.54 shipped.


https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

[ECVMatt]

@wyomingshooter

Thanks for the heads up! These have become my favorite pants/jeans. They are comfortable, don't stand out as "gun/tactical" pants and work great with appendix carry.

I have worn the ones I purchased last February, constantly and they are still in great shape.


Looks like it is time to grab a couple more pairs.

[rob_s]

These were recommended earlier in this thread and are now on sale. I bought 3 pair for $96.54 shipped.


https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

god I wish I could get past that bit leather patch on the back. Anyone that own them tried removing it?

[Guerrero]

god I wish I could get past that bit leather patch on the back. Anyone that own them tried removing it?

Haven't tried removing them, but it nor more obtrusive than the leather patch on any other pair of jeans.

Caveat on these: I bought six pair over a year ago and have been wearing them almost daily. They wear well, and last through multiple washings well, but they are really, really straight fit. The material has some stretch to it, which is good, but if you have larger thighs or butt (from exercise or being a bit more sedentary), these are a little tight. The model in the pictures must have chicken legs. I'm 5'11" with a 32 waist, buy thick enough that I'm considering something else. If, however, you're a straight fit, by all means these are great at an excellent price.

[Jamie]

These were recommended earlier in this thread and are now on sale. I bought 3 pair for $96.54 shipped.


https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

Thank you for the head's up. Good price.

For those that own a pair of these, how well do they accommodate pocket carrying a J Frame?
I was disappointed in the last couple of pairs of Carhartt Carpenter jeans I purchased. The pockets are approximately one inch more shallow than my previous purchases. Makes a difference...

TIA

[WobblyPossum]

god I wish I could get past that bit leather patch on the back. Anyone that own them tried removing it?

I ordered three pairs to replace some Mountain Khakis that I’ve been wearing for the past half decade. I also didn’t really like the big patch in the photos so when mine arrive I’ll attempt to remove it. Hopefully it’s just sewn on there with thread without any additional adhesive. I’ll let you know.

[wmu12071]

Thank you for the head's up. Good price.

For those that own a pair of these, how well do they accommodate pocket carrying a J Frame?
I was disappointed in the last couple of pairs of Carhartt Carpenter jeans I purchased. The pockets are approximately one inch more shallow than my previous purchases. Makes a difference...

TIA

My legs make a match stick print but a J-frame in an Aholster will fit.

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[Jamie]

My legs make a match stick print but a J-frame in an Aholster will fit.


Thank you. I use an Aholster as well. They look like they have good depth for it.

Much obliged.

[vcdgrips]

A purpose designed Seam Ripper should take that patch right off.

I would attack it from inside the waistband in the first instance. Frankly, any appropriately sharp knife point from “exacto” to a more “spear” point edc knife would likely work as well.

https://www.amazon.com/SINGER-00106-Ripper-Measure-Combo/dp/B00CWENN06/ref=sr_1_15_sspa?crid=2V10DZOXMCUNV&keywords=seam+ripper+and+thread+remover&qid=1675700312&s=arts-crafts&sprefix=Seam%2Carts-crafts%2C1397&sr=1-15-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTlY0UUdJOENFRVRSJ mVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzIzOTgzMUQ0N1NJSERHQjNERiZlbmN yeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDU3NzcxM0M4Uko0MjVDUFJGNyZ3aWRnZ XROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05 vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=

[Mark D]

These were recommended earlier in this thread and are now on sale. I bought 3 pair for $96.54 shipped.


https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

Ordered two pairs. I'm not sure how they're sized, but at that price I'll roll the dice.

[Guerrero]

Ordered two pairs. I'm not sure how they're sized, but at that price I'll roll the dice.

Sizing was pretty close to normal jean sizes.

[John Hearne]

FWIW, the jeans the LAPG pants are based on are a solid product.

[Wyoming Shooter]

god I wish I could get past that bit leather patch on the back. Anyone that own them tried removing it?

I haven't tried to remove the offending faux leather patch. It should be almost completely obscured by a 1.5" belt. At this price, I'll endeavor to persevere.

I will report back after some use. From the Big Empty, ELN.

[Mark D]

https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html[/QUOTE]

As stated upthread I ordered two pairs based on the posts from @Wyoming Shooter (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=7305) and others. Pants arrived today, 3 days after ordering. Initial impressions:

Size 30" x 30" seems comparable to most brands I wear.
Flex is ok. Not as stretchy as my Kuhl Radkl (the gold standard of stretchy, IMO) but I can squat ass to grass without issues.
Front pockets seem robustly constructed and easily digest a J frame in an Aholster Backbone.
Leather patch is dark color and doesn't contrast sharply with the grey and grey fabrics. Its covered by my belt and shirttail anyway.
Leg width is ok - not skinny but not fudd either.

Was worried about shrinkage. Washed them in cold and tumble dried them on hot, removed them when they were almost dry. Minimal shrinkage in legs and waist. They stretch out a little after wearing, as you'd expect with flex fabric.

Wore them for a 35 min circuit workout, they were comfortable and plenty flexible. Not quite as comfy as my Kuhl Radkl pants, but the LAPG are 33% of the price of the Kuhls, and probably a bit more durable.

I'm gonna say they're a solid purchase.

ETA: the low profile hip pockets will each accommodate one 30 round AR mag. So I'm told.

[Wyoming Shooter]

I concur with Mark's initial Impressions. At $33/pair on sale, these are a good value. The stretchy waistband should be a benefit to those carrying IWB. Durability remains to be determined. The fabric weight should be appropriate for year-round wear. On the downside, country of origin is China. From the Big Empty, ELN.


https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html

As stated upthread I ordered two pairs based on the posts from @Wyoming Shooter (https://pistol-forum.com/member.php?u=7305) and others. Pants arrived today, 3 days after ordering. Initial impressions:

Size 30" x 30" seems comparable to most brands I wear.
Flex is ok. Not as stretchy as my Kuhl Radkl (the gold standard of stretchy, IMO) but I can squat ass to grass without issues.
Front pockets seem robustly constructed and easily digest a J frame in an Aholster Backbone.
Leather patch is dark color and doesn't contrast sharply with the grey and grey fabrics. Its covered by my belt and shirttail anyway.
Leg width is ok - not skinny but not fudd either.

Was worried about shrinkage. Washed them in cold and tumble dried them on hot, removed them when they were almost dry. Minimal shrinkage in legs and waist. They stretch out a little after wearing, as you'd expect with flex fabric.

Wore them for a 35 min circuit workout, they were comfortable and plenty flexible. Not quite as comfy as my Kuhl Radkl pants, but the LAPG are 33% of the price of the Kuhls, and probably a bit more durable.

I'm gonna say they're a solid purchase.

ETA: the low profile hip pockets will each accommodate one 30 round AR mag. So I'm told.[/QUOTE]

[GJM]

I have been wearing pants from Livsn the last six months, and enjoying them.

https://www.livsndesigns.com/products/flex-canvas-pants

[WobblyPossum]

god I wish I could get past that bit leather patch on the back. Anyone that own them tried removing it?

The big patch was easy to remove. It’s just sewn on without any adhesive.

[Clusterfrack]

PDW Delta Cargo Tailored Fit cargo pants inbound.

https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/delta-cargo-pant-ec-t-fit-atb?variant=40038132154454

[DDTSGM]

I have been wearing pants from Livsn the last six months, and enjoying them.

https://www.livsndesigns.com/products/flex-canvas-pants

How are they wearing? Better than less expensive pants you've worn. I kind of cringe at paying more than $70.00 for hack around pants.

[DDTSGM]

I have been wearing pants from Livsn the last six months, and enjoying them.

https://www.livsndesigns.com/products/flex-canvas-pants


PDW Delta Cargo Tailored Fit cargo pants inbound.

https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/delta-cargo-pant-ec-t-fit-atb?variant=40038132154454

You guys are really flexin' on us poors/cheapskates! :D

[Clusterfrack]

You guys are really flexin' on us poors/cheapskates! :D

:D I wouldn’t wear these on a daily basis. If they work out, they will be used for hiking, snowshoeing, hunting, etc.

[Clusterfrack]

PDW Delta Cargo Tailored Fit cargo pants inbound.

https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/apparel/products/delta-cargo-pant-ec-t-fit-atb?variant=40038132154454

Wow, I'm blown away by my new PDW pants. Everything about them--fit, detailing, stretch-woven fabric, and design is outstanding. These are a very heavy-duty pair of pants, with double fabric in high-wear areas. They fit like they were tailor made for me. Having 1-inch increments of waist and inseam size is one reason for the excellent fit. The $150 pricetag seems very reasonable, given the build quality and that they are cut and sewn in the US. Compared to my much more expensive Crye combat softshell pants, the PDW are much better quality and design.

I'm looking forward to treating these pants very poorly.

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[DMCutter]

Clusterfrack, how water resistant are those? They look like they might fit the bill for winter in NC but I imagine they're too heavy for hot weather.

I generally wear LAPG Atlas cargos for work but the butt of my 365 has worn holes in the front pockets of 2 pair after a couple years. But at only about $45 a pair, and deductible as a bidness expense, I can live with that.

[Clusterfrack]

Clusterfrack, how water resistant are those? They look like they might fit the bill for winter in NC but I imagine they're too heavy for hot weather.

I generally wear LAPG Atlas cargos for work but the butt of my 365 has worn holes in the front pockets of 2 pair after a couple years. But at only about $45 a pair, and deductible as a bidness expense, I can live with that.

I wore them to a USPSA match today, and still have them on now after dinner.

They aren’t insulated, but were good around freezing this morning. I’m totally comfortable wearing them indoors as well. But, probably too heavy for summer. I’m guessing they are as waterproof as any softshell. They are very breathable.

The front pockets are mesh. Not sure about pocket carry.

[rob_s]

Getting warm out again, so thought I'd continue the tangent on tactical cargo shorts...

Have we talked about the 5.11 TacLite pro 9.5 (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-shorts.html) yet? *Seems* to tick some boxes for me (elastic waist, belt loops, couple of extra pockets, not too baggy, not too long...) but are these just the OG 5.11 shorts re-imagined, and just as baggy?

Ideally I'm looking for something that moves and isn't too constricting, but also isn't too baggy and/or long (not trying to be all jorty up in here). I like having elastic waist for both bumming around house but also being able to add a belt and IWB.

88049


Jesus Christ, looks like I answered my own question 4 years ago... :p If the below is what I have now, they are definitely baggier in real life, although the length isn't bad. Not sure if they've been updated since then.

Coming back to this again.

Just got done with a 7 day trip where I spent a fair amount of time in the one pair of Vertx pants that mostly fits. Spent almost the entire time wishing for more give in the waistband for a variety of reasons.

I think I’m just going to bite the old man bullet and stop in to the local 5.11 store and get a pair of these, and cut off the webbing strap on the back. I wear the shorts version of these around the house on weekends and really have come to prefer that “tunnel” elastic as it just has the most amount of travel.
https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-pants.html

What occurred to me this trip was, why am I trying to find decent looking cargo pants? There’s really no such thing because they start and end as cargo pants no matter what you do. There’s just kind of “slightly less dumbass looking” not really “good looking” cargos, so just embrace it.

The Taclites will be mostly for air travel which is one of the few times I want cargo pockets nowadays anyway.

[vcdgrips]

Rob S

If tactical cargos are your jam, I would head over to LA Police Gear. Their pricing is often quite good on the usual suspects and their in house brand usually exceeds the intersection of quality/value/performance.

https://lapolicegear.com/clothing/pants/tactical-shorts.html#/sort:calculated_price:asc

[rob_s]

Rob S

If tactical cargos are your jam, I would head over to LA Police Gear. Their pricing is often quite good on the usual suspects and their in house brand usually exceeds the intersection of quality/value/performance.

https://lapolicegear.com/clothing/pants/tactical-shorts.html#/sort:calculated_price:asc

I have or have had a couple of things from them, with hit-or-miss results. Much like Vertx, two identical products somehow winding up with completely different fits.

one of the benefits of 5.11 for me personally is a store 20 minutes from my office so I can try things on.

[vcdgrips]

RS

Copy.

From the mothership website: 37 ish +25% off 3 colors/full size runs

https://www.511tactical.com/trail-short-1.html

[Hizzie]

Work used to provide 5.11 pants for BDU style uniform. This year they are pushing pants from First Tactical. Initial impressions are favorable. Pockets are large and deeper than 5.11. The 5.11's had the option of a knee pad insert. I ordered a set and quickly realized the pocket for the pads was too high to actually protect your knees. The knee pad pocket in the First Tactical appear to be better placed. I tried the 5.11 pads and while they didn't fill the pocket, they sat at the right level. I ordered a set of knee pads for the First Tactical pants and they should be here this week.

https://www.firsttactical.com/collections/pants-men/products/mens-v2-tactical-pants

How have they held up?
How full is the cut through the seat/hip/thigh?
Are they pretty stretchy or just kinda?

[John Hearne]

How have they held up?
How full is the cut through the seat/hip/thigh?
Are they pretty stretchy or just kinda?

I've been very happy with them. They seem to be holding up well. How full? Full enough for me....

More stretchy than 5.11, not as stretch as the LAPG jeans.

[Guerrero]

I was looking back through this thread, and it appears that I change pants every couple years. Well, in keeping with the trend, it happened again. If anyone cares, this my "pants journey" (which is only slightly less embarrassing than my "carry gun journey"). I'll throw something out right away: I seem to have a larger-than-average butt and thighs. Maybe it's due to my "sit in a cube all day" job (in my mind, though, it's because, during my formative years, I swam five miles a day, five days a week, six months out of the year, and still exercise some several days a week, but whatever).

I think like most folks, I started out with the 5.11 Taclite Pro's (https://www.511tactical.com/taclite-pro-pants.html). They're... ok, but wow, do they look "tactical," as in "shoot me first/I'm a wannabe cop/contractor/mil." And all the extra doodads annoyed me (yes, I know the history that these started out as rock climbing pants, and the doodads are from this origin).

I next tried the Wrangler RIGGS Workwear Ragnar... er... Ranger (https://www.wrangler.com/shop/wrangler-riggs-workwear-ripstop-ranger-cargo-pant-3W060.html) pants. They're also... ok, but man are they heavy. And they don't stretch. Like, at all.

At this point, I realized I never use the cargo pockets on cargo pants (yes, I know this thread is "Best Tactical Cargo Pants", but at this point, we've gone beyond that), and I'm not an operator operating operationally, so let's ditch the cargo pockets.

Since the Ragnar... er, Ranger pants weren't bad, I decided to give the Wrangler RIGGS Workwear Carpenter (https://www.wrangler.com/shop/wrangler-riggs-workwear-carpenter-pant-3W02P.html) pants a try (they're pretty much the Ranger pants without the cargo pockets). I bought a bunch of these, a whole shelf full, and wore them pretty much exclusively for a couple years. They're not bad, but after a year or so, the fact that they don't stretch (at all) starts to bother me quite a bit.

About this time, the Kuhl Revolvr (https://www.kuhl.com/kuhl/mens/pants/revolvr/) pants were the hotness. So I picked up a pair. The Revolvr pants are supposedly Kuhl's "full" cut. I tried them in the store and said, "Ok, they're a little 'snug', but let's go with it." The first (and only) time I wore them, my wife snorted at how tight they were on my, er, "package." Yeah... that didn't work out well.

I should also mention something else: that stereotype about Midwesterners being "cheap"? It's totally true; there's no way in hell I can justify to myself spending $100+ on a pair of pants, especially since I estimate that I need five or six pair to make it between laundry days (I do the laundry). So, I needed something without cargo pockets, that stretches a little, and has a bit fuller cut, that's not going to break the bank (my comparison point is a decent pair of Levis at Kohl's pricing, maybe on sale).

If you look back in this thread, the Tactical Distributors Carlos Ray (https://www.tacticaldistributors.com/products/td-carlos-ray-pants-2-1-taa?variant=39702407708756) pants were getting some buzz, and they had a sale, so I picked up a pair. They were so close to being good, but they just had an odd fit for me (and that Velcro belt loop is just... weird. And I hear that QC is spotty).

Based on this thread, I next went to the LA Police Gear Terrain Flex Straight Fit (https://lapolicegear.com/lapg-btsf1001-terrain-flex-straight-fit-pant.html) Pant. They seemed to check all the right boxes, and like the Riggs Carpenter pants, I bought a whole drawer full. I wore these guys for over two years (even my mom liked how they looked on me, and if your mom comments on how your pants look, you probably made a good choice). However... see how they're "straight fit"? Well, they're a little *too* straight fit for me, and after two years I couldn't do it any more. (It also looks like LAPG is discontinuing them).

I went back to just jeans for a while; I found a style that works decently for me (and I needed a few for a trip with the wife where we wanted to try to blend with the locals), but jeans just aren't the same for me.

So, where am I now? On a recommendation from NH Shooter I decided to give the Duluth Trading DuluthFlex Fire Hose Relaxed Fit Foreman Pants (https://www.duluthtrading.com/s/DTC/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-rlx-fit-foreman-pants-45704.html) a go. Normally, at full price, these would be above my price threshold, but at Black Friday pricing, I was able to get three pair for an amount I could swallow. So far, I love them. They've got a good mix of the features I liked in the above pants, and the only downside so far is that they look "relaxed fit." I can live with that, but if I get the chance to go to a store and try the same pants in their "standard fit," I may give them a try.

Thus endith my pants journey (so far).

[vcdgrips]

G
You might take a walk thru at a Wal-Mart then next time you are close to one. They often stock a number of ripstop/lighter fabric styles of non cargo carpenter/work pant styles in the sub 35USD range retail.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Workwear-Men-s-Relaxed-Fit-Carpenter-Pant-Sizes-32-42/499303998

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Men-s-Wrangler-Workwear-Technician-Pant/994200477?athbdg=L1600&adsRedirect=true



Indeed, they even have the old school "legacy" cargo pant on sale at 17.00 if that fit/feature set is still somebody's jam.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Men-s-and-Big-Men-s-Legacy-Cargo-Pant/33852046?adsRedirect=true

[MGW]

Guerrero if you like the foreman pants and wan’t something more jean like, look at Duluth’s 5 pocket pant. I have two pair that I wear multiple times per week. The fit well, have some stretch, and wear like iron. The pockets are nice sized too. I’m not a slim fit guy but I like the slim fit the best.

[MDFA]

Duluth Fire Hose Flex Relaxed Fit. Both the pants and shorts. They have pocket carry friendly pockets and some stretch for comfort.

[vcdgrips]

Executive Summary- my EDC pant of choice continues to be the 5.11 slim Flex line. Love the slim fit, ykk zips, the pocket set. I am 6’2ish , 205-210, 34/34 with not a lot of butt and a bit of upper leg. I think the 100% cotton Dickie Work pant sold at walmart far exceeds intersection of quality value and it remains my go wk pant/scout pant in dry weather 65 degree and below given its generous cut, stitching, loops/pockets and ykk brass zipper. The OD green really works for me given my BSA affiliation and does not look like a Carhartt knock off to my eye relative to the “brown” they sometime have as well.

More random musings in this time of year.

One of the greatest benefits of this forum is the depth of the collective knowledge/training/experience across a very wide swath of life.

This thread is a perfect example.


Reviewing this thread, a few take a ways follow:

1. It seems to be that many are built in a way that the vanity sizing and slim cut treads of today make it difficult to find either the intersection of quality/value and/or best product. This forum has an inordinate number of folks who have some bulk, muscle and/or otherwise.

2. Vendors are constantly tweaking fits/fabrics/cuts with an eye toward cost cutting, fabric availability/QC/ongoing QA and everything in between

3. If you find something you like-at this stage of your life, you should probably buy multiple examples because things change in soft goods, often not for the best in the sub 100.00 work/cargo/camping/hiking pant realm, particularly if you have any butt/leg development at all-IMHO

4. Keep posting up with what works and what does not.

V/R

[BN]

My pants have changed over the years. For the last several years I've worn Duluth Flex cargo pants. I've developed some sciatica and a belt around my waist now causes pain after a while. I've gone almost exclusively to pocket carry.

I recently found these at Amazon. Haggar Men's Comfort Stretch Classic Fit Flat Front Cargo Pant. They have cargo pockets and the stretch waistband is pretty comfortable to me. The slash pocket is just barely deep enough for J-Frame carry. I know there's a bunch of old guys on here. :)

[revchuck38]

If you find something you like-at this stage of your life, you should probably buy multiple examples because things change in soft goods, often not for the best in the sub 100.00 work/cargo/camping/hiking pant realm, particularly if you have any butt/leg development at all-IMHO

Yup - I've got several things going on that make finding non-dress pants a challenge. Mainly, I'm a long-time cyclist who trains seriously, so I've got some development in my legs. I'm nowhere near quadzilla status, but I have to get "relaxed fit" jeans/pants or they just fit too tightly around my thighs. Cargo pants usually work okay since they're cut pretty full. I'm also a retiree on a fixed income and, like others in my situation, have seen my income increase much more slowly than the rate of inflation, so I'm always looking for cheaper less expensive stuff.

[Jamie]

I'm also a retiree on a fixed income and, like others in my situation, have seen my income increase much more slowly than the rate of inflation, so I'm always looking for cheaper less expensive stuff.

This. It's challenging, and this thread has been instrumental in helping me purchase affordable clothing that fits my needs. My needs include being able to comfortably carry my chosen firearms (both pocket and waistline) and an easily accessed cell phone. I live alone and have had to use a cane r/t a tendon injury (ankle) for several weeks now. Clothing makes a huge difference in having comfortable accessible tools.

Thanks to info and questions addressed in this thread I've found that LAPG Cargo shorts and Carhartt carpenter jeans work for me.

Because (as mentioned) designs and materials are constantly changing I've purchased several of each when I ordered. Not trying to make a "fashion statement" at my age...

[Guerrero]

So, where am I now? On a recommendation from NH Shooter I decided to give the Duluth Trading DuluthFlex Fire Hose Relaxed Fit Foreman Pants (https://www.duluthtrading.com/s/DTC/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-rlx-fit-foreman-pants-45704.html) a go. Normally, at full price, these would be above my price threshold, but at Black Friday pricing, I was able to get three pair for an amount I could swallow. So far, I love them. They've got a good mix of the features I liked in the above pants, and the only downside so far is that they look "relaxed fit." I can live with that, but if I get the chance to go to a store and try the same pants in their "standard fit," I may give them a try.

NH Shooter I'm such a tool I just ordered two more. How much of a tool? I used a disposable e-mail address to get an additional discount on top of the current sale.

[NH Shooter]

I have four pairs myself. :-)

[ragnar_d]

Duluth Fire Hose Flex Relaxed Fit. Both the pants and shorts. They have pocket carry friendly pockets and some stretch for comfort.
This right here. I got a few pairs of relaxed fit cargo pants and double front pants for yard work and whatnot and some standard fit for jeans and khakis for casual attire from them. Given what I got them for compared to the other pants that I was blowing through, I think the cost delta over my cheap-o Wranglers will offset in the longevity. The Fire Hose Flex have definitely become my favorite . . . and definitely more friendly for pocket carry compared to others.

[Guerrero]

NH Shooter I'm such a tool I just ordered two more. How much of a tool? I used a disposable e-mail address to get an additional discount on top of the current sale.

Aaaand I just found that Duluth Trading is a "local" company, being based in Mt. Horeb, WI (not Duluth, MN, as you might assume). Makes me feel that much better about buying from them.

[MGW]

Guerrero if you like the foreman pants and wan’t something more jean like, look at Duluth’s 5 pocket pant. I have two pair that I wear multiple times per week. The fit well, have some stretch, and wear like iron. The pockets are nice sized too. I’m not a slim fit guy but I like the slim fit the best.

Quoting myself for FYI. For the first time in a very long time, I had the need to pocket carry the other night. I didn’t realize how much running lots of miles had increased the size of my legs. An LCR in theses pants was a no go.

[bofe954]

Aaaand I just found that Duluth Trading is a "local" company, being based in Mt. Horeb, WI (not Duluth, MN, as you might assume). Makes me feel that much better about buying from them.

All their stuff is made overseas though isn't it?

[Guerrero]

All their stuff is made overseas though isn't it?

Probably

[NH Shooter]

So, where am I now? On a recommendation from NH Shooter I decided to give the Duluth Trading DuluthFlex Fire Hose Relaxed Fit Foreman Pants (https://www.duluthtrading.com/s/DTC/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-rlx-fit-foreman-pants-45704.html) a go. Normally, at full price, these would be above my price threshold, but at Black Friday pricing, I was able to get three pair for an amount I could swallow. So far, I love them. They've got a good mix of the features I liked in the above pants, and the only downside so far is that they look "relaxed fit." I can live with that, but if I get the chance to go to a store and try the same pants in their "standard fit," I may give them a try.



Had to come back to this: these are the only "stealthy" pants I'm aware of that are made with an internal weapons bay (font-right zippered pocket) that's large enough to carry something substantial. I don't need any "belt pylons" to carry this and remain completely off the radar;


https://i.ibb.co/7WJ6yYm/CSWCtanto-1.jpg

[Guerrero]

They've got a good mix of the features I liked in the above pants, and the only downside so far is that they look "relaxed fit." I can live with that, but if I get the chance to go to a store and try the same pants in their "standard fit," I may give them a try.

After a few wear/wash cycles, I'm fine with the relaxed fit. They've shrunk just a bit, so they look fine; I fear the "standard fit" would not work for me.

[Chris17404]

Hi, all. I figured posting this question in this thread made sense since it’s mainly about pockets. I wear blue jeans 99% of the time. Wrangler performance flex regular fit to be exact. I need a pair of jeans that has a hip-area pocket to carry a reasonable size cell phone. Carrying my phone in my left front pocket is getting old and can be hard to access while sitting. I am aware of those 5.11 jeans with the hip pockets and that would work, but 5.11 jeans never fit me well and I don’t need all the gusseted knees or cargo pockets or custom faux fade patterns etc. I just want a basic “medium wash” blue with standard pockets, some stretch, and a left hip pocket for my cell phone. Any ideas? Thanks a lot.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Hi, all. I figured posting this question in this thread made sense since it’s mainly about pockets. I wear blue jeans 99% of the time. Wrangler performance flex regular fit to be exact. I need a pair of jeans that has a hip-area pocket to carry a reasonable size cell phone. Carrying my phone in my left front pocket is getting old and can be hard to access while sitting. I am aware of those 5.11 jeans with the hip pockets and that would work, but 5.11 jeans never fit me well and I don’t need all the gusseted knees or cargo pockets or custom faux fade patterns etc. I just want a basic “medium wash” blue with standard pockets, some stretch, and a left hip pocket for my cell phone. Any ideas? Thanks a lot.

I like the LAPG jeans more than 5.11 jeans. The material is stretchier. Tactical distributors also has a jean but I don't remember if it has the side pockets. The pair I had was very slim fitting so I wasn't a big fan but that was several years ago.

[RocPO]

I like the LAPG jeans more than 5.11 jeans. The material is stretchier. Tactical distributors also has a jean but I don't remember if it has the side pockets. The pair I had was very slim fitting so I wasn't a big fan but that was several years ago.

The TD pants do not have side pockets.

[Guerrero]

Hi, all. I figured posting this question in this thread made sense since it’s mainly about pockets. I wear blue jeans 99% of the time. Wrangler performance flex regular fit to be exact. I need a pair of jeans that has a hip-area pocket to carry a reasonable size cell phone. Carrying my phone in my left front pocket is getting old and can be hard to access while sitting. I am aware of those 5.11 jeans with the hip pockets and that would work, but 5.11 jeans never fit me well and I don’t need all the gusseted knees or cargo pockets or custom faux fade patterns etc. I just want a basic “medium wash” blue with standard pockets, some stretch, and a left hip pocket for my cell phone. Any ideas? Thanks a lot.

Going totally out on a limb (since I don't own any of them): based on how great the "flex Foreman pants" are, I wonder if the Duluth Trading jeans would be just as great.

[cathellsk]

Going totally out on a limb (since I don't own any of them): based on how great the "flex Foreman pants" are, I wonder if the Duluth Trading jeans would be just as great.

I have three pair of Duluth jeans. They are just as good as the khaki pants they make. Reinforced large pockets. They make different styles, I recommend and use the double flex relaxed fit. Awesome jeans that I pocket carry with all the time.

[SCCY Marshal]

My pants have changed over the years. For the last several years I've worn Duluth Flex cargo pants. I've developed some sciatica and a belt around my waist now causes pain after a while. I've gone almost exclusively to pocket carry...

Keep on with Duluth + suspenders?

[BN]

Keep on with Duluth + suspenders?

I tried the suspenders, but they annoyed me.

I've been wearing these. They have an elastic waist. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BNSLISU?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

They are tight enough around my waist to stay in place without increasing pain.

The Duluth would slide down from my waist and bind just below my waist no matter what belt I used. I guess it's the different cut of the design or I don't have enough butt to keep them in place.

[Dog Face Gremlin]

Hmmm.....shoot me first pants....omo.

[revolvergeek]

Going totally out on a limb (since I don't own any of them): based on how great the "flex Foreman pants" are, I wonder if the Duluth Trading jeans would be just as great.

Long time Duluth buyer. LOVE the classic Firehose pants, most of their shirts, boxer briefs and am curious to try out the Flex Foreman pants. Gave up on the jeans though a couple years ago. They started out great, comfortable with pockets that worked for j-frame carry, but over time the pockets shrank with many washings until they got too shallow. They also faded unevenly and just looked kinda odd over time. I have had better luck with super cheap Tractor Supply jeans the last couple years, with the added advantage that they are very light denim and are thus cooler down here. I work in an office though and do not stress them hard, so YMMV.


I have three pair of Duluth jeans. They are just as good as the khaki pants they make. Reinforced large pockets. They make different styles, I recommend and use the double flex relaxed fit. Awesome jeans that I pocket carry with all the time.

Maybe I should give them another try when they have a sale. I went to the store in Round Rock last November but didn't check out the jeans...

[GyroF-16]

Long time Duluth buyer. LOVE the classic Firehose pants, most of their shirts, boxer briefs and am curious to try out the Flex Foreman pants. Gave up on the jeans though a couple years ago. They started out great, comfortable with pockets that worked for j-frame carry, but over time the pockets shrank with many washings until they got too shallow. They also faded unevenly and just looked kinda odd over time. I have had better luck with super cheap Tractor Supply jeans the last couple years, with the added advantage that they are very light denim and are thus cooler down here. I work in an office though and do not stress them hard, so YMMV.



Maybe I should give them another try when they have a sale. I went to the store in Round Rock last November but didn't check out the jeans...

I would try the jeans on first, if you can. They’ve changed the cut over the years. The older (original?) “Ballroom jeans” fit me well. The last time I tried (couple of years ago, they were quite different- maybe a longer “rise” - I don’t remember the change, but only that they were no longer a comfortable fit. I’m still game to try again, though. Luckily, there’s a retail store not too far away.

[DMCutter]

Wow, I'm blown away by my new PDW pants. Everything about them--fit, detailing, stretch-woven fabric, and design is outstanding. These are a very heavy-duty pair of pants, with double fabric in high-wear areas. They fit like they were tailor made for me. Having 1-inch increments of waist and inseam size is one reason for the excellent fit. The $150 pricetag seems very reasonable, given the build quality and that they are cut and sewn in the US. Compared to my much more expensive Crye combat softshell pants, the PDW are much better quality and design.

I'm looking forward to treating these pants very poorly.

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How are these holding up?

[Clusterfrack]

How are these holding up?

Fantastic. I've done a bunch of different activities in them, and they are really versatile.

[Leroy Suggs]

I have never bought any Duluth pants because of the price.
Today they had 30% off plus $15.00 off first order.
I ordered three pairs of the Firehose Flex Cargo.

We will see.:D

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Not so tactical but I've been liking Duluth underwear. I wait for the sales. Sometimes the colors are 'interesting' but so what. Makes the wife laugh. I've gotten quite a few pants from them and the lined ones worked well in our recent snow storms. Easy to have a G42 in the front pocket and get to it with my thinner winter gloves.

[SCCY Marshal]

Hmmm.....shoot me first pants....omo.

Around here, Duluth marks you as a wilderness firefighter; state forest field guy; or HVAC grunt. My stained, burned, short gaiter-length inseamed pairs have gotten me in the good graces of some new foremen as a first glance Guy Who Works for A Living.

[revchuck38]

I have had better luck with super cheap Tractor Supply jeans the last couple years, with the added advantage that they are very light denim and are thus cooler down here.

Based on this, I stopped by the local Tractor Supply and picked up a pair of their Utility Jeans for $15. Damn, just what I've been looking for! I don't need the cargo pockets.

[Leroy Suggs]

I am really liking my Duluth Flex Firehose cargoes.
Will order some shorts before summer.

[Andy in NH]

I am really liking my Duluth Flex Firehose cargoes.
Will order some shorts before summer.

How big is the left side utility pocket?

Not the cargo pocket, but the utility pocket.

Do you think a 3.25" wide cell phone would fit in it?

[Leroy Suggs]

dbl tap

[Leroy Suggs]

How big is the left side utility pocket?

Not the cargo pocket, but the utility pocket.

Do you think a 3.25" wide cell phone would fit in it?

There are 2 utility pockets besides the cargo pocket on the left side.
1 is visible and not covered by the cargo flap. My iPhone 14 will not fit in.
1 is under the cargo flap on top of the cargo pocket. My phone fits easily in it.

The phone is a 14 in a case.

[Andy in NH]

There are 2 utility pockets besides the cargo pocket on the left side.
1 is visible and not covered by the cargo flap. My iPhone 14 will not fit in.
1 is under the cargo flap on top of the cargo pocket. My phone fits easily in it.

The phone is a 14 in a case.

That is the pocket more to the front of the thigh?

[Leroy Suggs]

That is the pocket more to the front of the thigh?

Yes.

[Andy in NH]

Yes.

Thank you very much for the information.

[ECVMatt]

I ordered a couple of pairs of Truework pants and I really like them so far. I got the T2's and the T3's. They are a bit noise but fit great, not too baggy, not too tight. They seem very durable and have a decent amount of stretch. I am going to wear the T3's varmint hunting in a couple of weeks, so I will get to see how warm they are. Wearing them around the house, they feel like a good pair of sweat pants in terms of warmth. My initial impression is pretty positive.

[NH Shooter]

Mas loses 40 pounds emptying his cargo pants pockets; ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XikXNjPILU

[rdtompki]

I am really liking my Duluth Flex Firehose cargoes.
Will order some shorts before summer.
That's all I wear, the long pants that is; I'm going to order a few pair of shorts before it gets warm. They are near indestructible and have a pocket for near everything I carry. The little bit of waistband elastic is ideal for IWB, or in my case AiWB. Being retired and all I wear these things on all but the hottest days.

[Erick Gelhaus]

The TrueWerks & the DT Flexpidition are really nice in the summertime. DT Firehose Flex for the rest of the year.

[ECVMatt]

Just a quick update on my Truewerk pants. I have a few good uses on them now and feel comfortable giving some short term impressions.

I wore my T3's for four days straight during a varmint hunting contest put on my be local sportsmen club. Initially the weather was about 50 in day and 35-40 at night with light winds. The pants are noisy, but warm. I just wore the pants and was comfortable most of the time. At night, when the temps dips into the low 40's and the wind picked up, I could definitely feel it. I was not freezing but not really warm either. I would probably combine these with some type of light long-johns if I knew I was going to be in consistently cold weather below the 40 mark.

These pants were great and appear to be very durable. They took all the hunting as well as work cleaning up our property with no show of wear or damage. Not a long term test, but they show promise out the gate.

On the last day, temps bumped up into the high 60's. At that point the T3 became too hot to wear. I was cleaning out our fire pit and doing some shovel work and the I got uncomfortably hot. I switched to the T2's and they were great. They are very comfortable and appear to have the same durability. I plan on adding one more pair of the T3's and a couple of T2's. Overall I am impressed.

[MGW]

I went to Duluth to try on pants last night. I have two pair of their five pocket pants that I wear for work. I’ve had them for several years and they are starting to look a little worn. Duluth’s current pants are definitely not up to the same quality. Thinner material and cheaper feel overall. Plus everything has a branded patch on the rear pocket now.

[UNM1136]

Can't disagree with Mas...

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