Best Tactical Cargo Pants

[Notso]

I think this fits in EDC- we all wear them right? And when the ballon goes up and the zombies come... Well, let's just say no one wants to really die in skinny jeans.

Ok, to be serious. I reckon you all have a lot of input on wearing these. I'm on a quest for the best pair ever. I have worn the original 5.11 tacticals, Vertx when they first came out, some Arcteryx. What do you all find to be the best these days. I've been eyeballing the Arcteryx Combat Pants Gen 2 and they might be it (if I could ever find a pair of mediums) but they're PRICEY beyond belief. In their defense, I have an old set of ill-fitting Gen 1’s and they are definitely worth the money for what they do. And to answer the question, I'm just looking for a good pair of pants that has the pockets to carry all the EDC, the wallet, the big phones these days, etc. and stands up to wear and tear, all while not looking too over the top tactical. (Crye would be great but you have to mortgage the house and multicam in a mall...) I love cargo pockets for carrying wallets and phones and other things for easier access while sitting and driving. Reinforced pockets of the 5.11’s for knives and lights has always been a charm. I got my hands on arcteryx's new Xfunctional AR pants that they just released and they just didn't really work for me. The quest goes on.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

I gave up on high-end cargo pants because they just get wrecked and then I'm mad.

I like the 5.11 S!T!R!Y!K!E! TACKLOL no matter how stupid the name, but I also wear the LAPG urban ops recon (don't get me started) in canvas because they look decent, have slim cut cargo pockets, and are about $25.

[Sero Sed Serio]

I have yet to kill a pair of Duluth Trading fire hose pants, despite my best efforts in a rather unfriendly desert environment. They can be a bit heavy, especially when soaked through. I believe they have some lightweight models, though.

[Notso]

Great points about the names- especially on 5.11. If you ever need a good laugh, head on over to their website and watch their product videos. I don't know who they got to do the talking but it couldn't be anymore dramatic. "If you wear these, you don't even have to get selected for Devgru... Cause you're already INNNNNN!"

I haven't tried the Duluths but that's a good idea. I'm in the Deep South though, I might just start sweating by looking at them.

[Gray222]

5.11 apex pant

Its awesome and i really like them.

[SLG]

I basically stopped wearing "shoot me first pants" a while ago. Duluth works great for me. Kuhl also works, especially the lighter models. Filson sometimes as well. I have a few others l just can't remember off the top of my head.

Now for non casual use, I still use vertx or or course, crye, but I try to blend most of the time. Jeans work great:-)

Caveat to all of the above, I usualy avoid "cargo" pants like the plague. Most of my pants have small, fairly discrete hammer type pockets instead of cargo pockets. That works well for what i need and want to carry, without drawing attention.

eta...I have some older Arcteryx pants that, of course, they discontinued. One is the Ambassador, and the other I can't name for the life of me. For the "history" buffs, it was those two pants that created the vertx original pant.

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Here is the lighter weight version. http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-pants-45507.aspx

[LittleLebowski]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.

[Notso]

SLG, you're right. They do draw attention for people "in the know" but I hate sitting on a wallet and these new bigger iPhones (compensation??) are getting harder to stuff in pockets. Nevermind lights and knives. And let's face it, even in jeans, we probably still stand out in a crowd for the way we act and the number of things clipped on our pockets.

Arcteryx makes good stuff but I swear the threads must be made by golden caterpillars and glued with the tears of a Kardashian for the price.

I really liked Vertx but I have some issues with the fit every once in a while. They don't scream tacticool too badly but as they became more popular... Might as well be called 5.12 now.

[LittleLebowski]

The Wranglers Riggs have cavernous pockets.

[Casual Friday]

I don't wear cargo pants, the Wrangler Riggs and Duluth Fire Hose Logger pants are my favorite work pants. In my free time I wear shorts year round unless it's snowing or in the 20's temperature wise. My favorite are the Duluth Fire Hose cargo shorts or Dry on the Fly shorts. For off the rack shorts I can buy locally the Lee Dungaree cargo shorts aren't bad.

[BJXDS]

SLG, you're right. They do draw attention for people "in the know" but I hate sitting on a wallet and these new bigger iPhones (compensation??) are getting harder to stuff in pockets. Nevermind lights and knives. And let's face it, even in jeans, we probably still stand out in a crowd for the way we act and the number of things clipped on our pockets.

Arcteryx makes good stuff but I swear the threads must be made by golden caterpillars and glued with the tears of a Kardashian for the price.

I really liked Vertx but I have some issues with the fit every once in a while. They don't scream tacticool too badly but as they became more popular... Might as well be called 5.12 now.

Try some Under Armour, they are well made and seem to fit better than the 5.11, even though I think everything cost more than it should.

[Boxy]

In my opinion one prime requirement for any outdoor/tactical activity pant would be a gusseted crotch. With all other features your mileage may vary.

[JohnO]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.

My vote too. They wear like iron. I took the Riggs label off the rear pocket and relocated the 3-o'clock belt loop on a few pairs and only wish they offered a few more colors.

[SLG]

The Wranglers Riggs have cavernous pockets.

Those look pretty good. How cheap though? I won't wear carhart anymore because they really look bad coming out of the wash. They seem to crease really badly and don't wear soft like my others. Very "cardboardy."

[SLG]

SLG, you're right. They do draw attention for people "in the know" but I hate sitting on a wallet and these new bigger iPhones (compensation??) are getting harder to stuff in pockets. Nevermind lights and knives. And let's face it, even in jeans, we probably still stand out in a crowd for the way we act and the number of things clipped on our pockets.

Arcteryx makes good stuff but I swear the threads must be made by golden caterpillars and glued with the tears of a Kardashian for the price.

I really liked Vertx but I have some issues with the fit every once in a while. They don't scream tacticool too badly but as they became more popular... Might as well be called 5.12 now.

Everyone has different comfort levels with what and where they carry stuff. As a reference point, I carry a very large cred wallet in my front left pocket, with a small CC and cash wallet in front of it. Skellgel on the outer (inside) edge of the that pocket. Right front pocket holds my S5 in a military otterbox case, Foster jack and a SAK. Right rear pocket holds my TQ, which is an old skool, triangular bandage, wrapped correctly and laying very flat, for immediate use. My left rear pocket is empty most of the time, but will sometimes hold my car keys for short durations, or anything else I need impromptu. My pistol, mags, knife and light are all on my belt.

This setup allows me to use a very wide range of pants, without much issue at all. The carpenter type pants are really nice because I can drop my car keys in there and not have them in my back left pocket. Either way works ok though, and prevents me from needing cargo pockets.

[LittleLebowski]

Those look pretty good. How cheap though? I won't wear carhart anymore because they really look bad coming out of the wash. They seem to crease really badly and don't wear soft like my others. Very "cardboardy."

In my size, they're $32.99 on Prime (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). I've got two pairs, probably about four years old. They don't wrinkle bad at all and I dig the leather on the pocket for knives and such. They definitely look more blue collar than Vertx and I think they're tougher. No cargo pockets and that's fine by me.

[HopetonBrown]

Since you were looking at Arcteryx and Crye, I'd suggest Triple Aught Design. Not crazy expensive and made in the US. Bonus points for meeting the CEO in a Shivworks class.

[Artemas]

I always get a kick out of the EDC photo thread while wondering how the heck you guys fit all that in a pair of "discreet" jeans and go about your day.

Ordering a pair of the Riggs to try out.

[ST911]

Ok, to be serious. I reckon you all have a lot of input on wearing these. I'm on a quest for the best pair ever. I have worn the original 5.11 tacticals, Vertx when they first came out, some Arcteryx. What do you all find to be the best these days. I've been eyeballing the Arcteryx Combat Pants Gen 2 and they might be it (if I could ever find a pair of mediums) but they're PRICEY beyond belief. In their defense, I have an old set of ill-fitting Gen 1’s and they are definitely worth the money for what they do. And to answer the question, I'm just looking for a good pair of pants that has the pockets to carry all the EDC, the wallet, the big phones these days, etc. and stands up to wear and tear, all while not looking too over the top tactical. (Crye would be great but you have to mortgage the house and multicam in a mall...) I love cargo pockets for carrying wallets and phones and other things for easier access while sitting and driving. Reinforced pockets of the 5.11’s for knives and lights has always been a charm. I got my hands on arcteryx's new Xfunctional AR pants that they just released and they just didn't really work for me. The quest goes on.

Blue jeans, Carhartts, the occasional Vertx here. Lots of jeans with carpenter pockets.

Good stuff in these threads:

Custom "tactical" or like clothing
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17844-Custom-quot-tactical-quot-or-like-clothing

Khaki pants for carry
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14939-Khaki-pants-for-carry

Pants. (Or, A Newbie's Guide to Functional Clothing)
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10759-Pants-(Or-A-Newbie-s-Guide-to-Functional-Clothing)

Detective Uniform
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13270-Detective-Uniform

I really like the term "functional clothing" for this stuff.


Those look pretty good. How cheap though? I won't wear carhart anymore because they really look bad coming out of the wash. They seem to crease really badly and don't wear soft like my others. Very "cardboardy."

Have you tried these? Softer material, and when hang-dried they look like a casual colored jean after laundering.
http://www.carhartt.com/products/Loose-Fit-Canvas-Carpenter-Jean-B159

[lyodbraun]

Riggs also make the ranger pants that do have cargo pants I've worn these for years for outside work and they can take some serious abuse and hold up great, some of the best pants I've ever worn...

[Drang]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.


The Wranglers Riggs have cavernous pockets.

Riggs Ranger "carpenter" pants FTW. That hammer loop is just big enough to make them look not tactical, but it never catches on stuff.

ETA:
My vote too. They wear like iron. I took the Riggs label off the rear pocket and relocated the 3-o'clock belt loop on a few pairs and only wish they offered a few more colors.
I think they do, but not in enough sizes...

[JohnO]

How are the cargo pockets held closed? Velcro? Buttons?

Two Snaps on each cargo pocket flap.

FYI the Riggs are made with a rip-stop like material that has zero stretch. Unlike other pants/jeans that feel like they stretch some in the waist while your wearing them Riggs don't. What I'm talking about are pants that feel tighter after a wash & dry. Riggs don't. There is no give in the material over time as you wear them. They come out of the wash feeling exactly the same.

[SLG]

Blue jeans, Carhartts, the occasional Vertx here. Lots of jeans with carpenter pockets.

Good stuff in these threads:

Custom "tactical" or like clothing
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?17844-Custom-quot-tactical-quot-or-like-clothing

Khaki pants for carry
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14939-Khaki-pants-for-carry

Pants. (Or, A Newbie's Guide to Functional Clothing)
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?10759-Pants-(Or-A-Newbie-s-Guide-to-Functional-Clothing)

Detective Uniform
https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13270-Detective-Uniform

I really like the term "functional clothing" for this stuff.



Have you tried these? Softer material, and when hang-dried they look like a casual colored jean after laundering.
http://www.carhartt.com/products/Loose-Fit-Canvas-Carpenter-Jean-B159

I think I have a pair, but I'll have to check. If so, they may be the one Carhartt pant I like.

When I said cheap before, I meant cheaply made, not price. I "like" all of the carhartts, but after some washing's they appear cheaply made and look cheap to me. Possibly not the ones linked above.

[LittleLebowski]

FYI the Riggs are made with a rip-stop like material that has zero stretch. Unlike other pants/jeans that feel like they stretch some in the waist while your wearing them Riggs don't. What I'm talking about are pants that feel tighter after a wash & dry. Riggs don't. There is no give in the material over time as you wear them. They come out of the wash feeling exactly the same.

Yup. They last and last.

[Arbninftry]

I wear the 5.11 pants, in different styles, quite a bit. However, I love my Duluth Firehose pants in the winter. They do make some lighter blends for summer months. If you are looking at the Duluth trading company pants, they are roomy in the legs but run a size small on the waste.

[Mack]

I have found climbing/hiking pants to be the best alternative to tactical pants. They can usually hold a similar amount of things, but have the benefit of being made from higher quality materials (harder wearing), fit (don't look like you're wearing a parachute), and looking presentable.

Depending on how much you wanted to spend or what fit you would need I would recommend brands (in addition to Arcteryx and Kuhl which have already been mentioned) such as: Haglofs, Fjallraven, Black Diamond, Outdoor Research, Marmot, Mammut, Mountain Hardwear, Eider, and Mountain Equipment (amongst many others). Fjallraven and Haglofs probably have pants that are most similar to tactical pants in regards to pockets, but their pretty much the same price as Arcteryx.

[Mack]

double tap

[JohnO]

I have found climbing/hiking pants to be the best alternative to tactical pants. They can usually hold a similar amount of things, but have the benefit of being made from higher quality materials (harder wearing), fit (don't look like you're wearing a parachute), and looking presentable.


I was wearing 5.11 pants before they were ever associated with Tactical. Back in the day they were climbing pants designed and made by Royal Robbins. At the time 5.11 was the most difficult rating for a climbing pitch.

I forget the exact history but Patagonia founder (got to look up the spelling) Yvon Chouinard was Robbins climbing buddy. Chouinard had Great Pacific Iron Works making Pitons, Carabiners and other climbing gear. Patagonia was the clothing side. This was all before Patagonia & North face went main stream. Somewhere in the house I still have a few pairs of "Stand Up Shorts" (probably 2" to small in the waist to wear but not bad for 30+ years later). I can't remember if Patagonia picked up the 5.11 name at the time or just had their version.

This was circa 1977 - 1981 when I worked in a Ski Shop while in college and we also sold Rock Climbing, Ice Climbing and Backpacking gear. I picked up my first handgun the day before I turned 21 (Browning Hi-Power) and the infamous Glock had not been born yet.

[SLG]

I have found most of the hiking/mountaineering pants to be noticeably less durable than "tactical" pants, which is one small reason why I went from my favorite Arcteryx pants to the vertx. Now, I'm back around to the begining, since vertx is not only not what it once was, but is now as ubiquitous as the 5.11's.

The Duluth firehose definitely seems to be the most durable I've used. Not great for summer, but as already noted, there are plenty of lighter weight options for the warmer months.

[ubervic]

I don't wear cargo pants. But I rock Mountain Khaki Camber 107 pants almost all the time outside of the office. They're comfortable, sharp-looking, and are 87% cotton canvas with 3% spandex for a bit of stretch. And they cost under $75 per pair.

I don't get excited about pants....until I got into these.

http://www.mountainkhakis.com/products/men/pants/mens-camber-model-107-pant.cfm

[SLG]

I don't wear cargo pants. But I rock Mountain Khaki Camber 107 pants almost all the time outside of the office. They're comfortable, sharp-looking, and are 87% cotton canvas with 3% spandex for a bit of stretch. And they cost under $75 per pair.

I don't get excited about pants....until I got into these.

http://www.mountainkhakis.com/products/men/pants/mens-camber-model-107-pant.cfm

I haven't used the pants you linked to, and they look nice. I used to have a professional agreement with MK, but I've stopped using them because they all shrank really badly, and the "triple stitched" hems wore out very quickly. Same with some expensive tops I had from them. They pilled fast, and got holes pretty easily. I know others love their stuff, so it is what it is.

[Cookie Monster]

I think I have a pair, but I'll have to check. If so, they may be the one Carhartt pant I like.

When I said cheap before, I meant cheaply made, not price. I "like" all of the carhartts, but after some washing's they appear cheaply made and look cheap to me. Possibly not the ones linked above.

I left Carhartts behind about 6 years ago, I was doing a lot of physical labor and crotch on like 4 relative new pants blew out. I have been very happy with Arborwear Tree Climber pants ever since. The lightweights are pretty good for summer, they recently upgraded to heavy pocket material which helps keeps all my stuff from wearing holes in the pockets.

[LSP972]

I was wearing 5.11 pants before they were ever associated with Tactical. Back in the day they were climbing pants designed and made by Royal Robbins.

Yup, me too. I "discovered" them when I spent some time at the FBI Academy in the early 90s; definitely still Royal Robbins then. I bought a couple of pair and started wearing them when I got back… and was hooked. We were wearing dyed-gray BDU pants and embroidered polo shirts; the RR pants had low-profile cargo pockets and looked very nice with the polo shirts and un-bloused foot gear. I actually was able to retire my Corcorans for some ankle-height hiking boots.

Been wearing both ever since, except when court/interviews/warrant service dictated more "official" clothing. Of course, now that uniform (the old Royal Robbins/now 5.11 basic trouser, and a polo shirt with badge/logo) has become almost universal as the "5.11 Tuxedo". I skip the polo shirt… untucked Hawaiian shirts are where its at for we FROGs.:cool:

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[Hambo]

I gave up on high-end cargo pants because they just get wrecked and then I'm mad.

Aren't you the guy who said we should buy better clothes? ;) I definitely don't buy high end cargo pants for the same reason.

Duluth Firehose are tough, but are really only appropriate about three days of the year in this climate.

5.11 made some lightweight ripstop cargo pants that dried quick, which is necessary about 362 days per year in this climate. But the fit was a little funky and they cost too much for what they were.

Wrangler makes a lightweight ripstop cargo that runs <$30, dries quickly, and doesn't make me whine when I trash a pair. Their down side is that they only have velcro on the cargo pockets.

[HCM]

5.11 made some lightweight ripstop cargo pants that dried quick, which is necessary about 362 days per year in this climate. But the fit was a little funky and they cost too much for what they were.


I've experienced the same "Funky Fit" issues with 5.11 the past few years.

I;ve really been liking the Propper lightweight / Ripstop pants the past year or so. I'll be picking up a few more this year.

http://www.galls.com/propper-lightweight-tactical-trousers

Our climate is similar to yours, though a bit drier. Carhart and Duluth firehouse type pants are OK maybe 2 month a year,

[ubervic]

I haven't used the pants you linked to, and they look nice. I used to have a professional agreement with MK, but I've stopped using them because they all shrank really badly, and the "triple stitched" hems wore out very quickly. Same with some expensive tops I had from them. They pilled fast, and got holes pretty easily. I know others love their stuff, so it is what it is.

I've not yet noticed these deficiencies with my couple pairs of MK pants, but I do appreciate the heads-up and will be interested to see how mine fair over a longer period of time (beyond the roughly six months that I've been wearing them).

[orionz06]

The TAD pants have been great, as have Kuhl's and both have varying weights. Kuhl's held up well in a few classes with ground work.

[El Cid]

The TAD pants have been great, as have Kuhl's and both have varying weights. Kuhl's held up well in a few classes with ground work.

I am also very happy with Kuhl. Very durable and light in my experience.

[SLG]

Yup, me too. I "discovered" them when I spent some time at the FBI Academy in the early 90s; definitely still Royal Robbins then. I bought a couple of pair and started wearing them when I got back… and was hooked. We were wearing dyed-gray BDU pants and embroidered polo shirts; the RR pants had low-profile cargo pockets and looked very nice with the polo shirts and un-bloused foot gear. I actually was able to retire my Corcorans for some ankle-height hiking boots.

Been wearing both ever since, except when court/interviews/warrant service dictated more "official" clothing. Of course, now that uniform (the old Royal Robbins/now 5.11 basic trouser, and a polo shirt with badge/logo) has become almost universal as the "5.11 Tuxedo". I skip the polo shirt… untucked Hawaiian shirts are where its at for we FROGs.:cool:

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I hate to tell you this, but they were "tactical" before the FBI found them, so...

I had some original RR branded pants and shirts, but even then, they were already too cool.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Aren't you the guy who said we should buy better clothes? ;)

Well, compared to the people getting mistaken for the homeless!

[Hambo]

Well, compared to the people getting mistaken for the homeless!

That was more tongue in cheek than true. What I'm really trying not to look like is an off duty cop or an on duty investigator. Years ago I went to a big LE shoot with some other guys. We went into a restaurant and immediately made some cops waiting in line. One of them walked over to us and asked us if we were there for the shoot.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

That was more tongue in cheek than true. What I'm really trying not to look like is an off duty cop or an on duty investigator. Years ago I went to a big LE shoot with some other guys. We went into a restaurant and immediately made some cops waiting in line. One of them walked over to us and asked us if we were there for the shoot.
The original post was also more tongue in cheek than true, but that's no reason not to fight anout it. This is the Internet!

[EMC]

Tru-spec lightweight 24-7 pant is my latest favorite. The 5.11 pocket design and how they ride up when you sit down never suited me. I like the light weight blend fabrics over the cotton versions. Durable and stain resistant and they don't shrink.

[WobblyPossum]

I haven't used the pants you linked to, and they look nice. I used to have a professional agreement with MK, but I've stopped using them because they all shrank really badly, and the "triple stitched" hems wore out very quickly. Same with some expensive tops I had from them. They pilled fast, and got holes pretty easily. I know others love their stuff, so it is what it is.

I recently got a pair of the pants Ubervic linked to and I love them. They fit great, feel comfortable, and actually look okay (not tactical). The negatives are that the cargo pocket on the right side has a single button closure without a flap so I think it's useless and the rear pockets are kind of shallow. I've caught my wallet having fallen out on more than one occasion when getting up from my seat at a restaurant. I also haven't had them long enough to need to wash them so I can't comment about them shrinking.


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[HCM]

All your pants dreams come true.... Cargo sweat pants.

http://m.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-souped-up-cargo-sweatpants-56011.aspx?src=T13WRTGTI

[Chuck Haggard]

I have been really liking the Tru Spec pants over the past few years. They fit me far, far better than the 5.11s, hide and ankle or pocket gun better, are more durable, and my OD green pants are shockingly resistant to being covered in deer blood and still coming clean.

[jc000]

I haven't used the pants you linked to, and they look nice. I used to have a professional agreement with MK, but I've stopped using them because they all shrank really badly, and the "triple stitched" hems wore out very quickly. Same with some expensive tops I had from them. They pilled fast, and got holes pretty easily. I know others love their stuff, so it is what it is.

I'm 100% on board with this. Currently waiting on MK to ship me a replacement pair of jeans where the front pocket interior completely ripped like it was paper.

At pro price they look nice but I cannot believe the durability issues I've run into with the brand as a whole. At least their CS is good about replacing things. Haven't had an issue with shrinking, myself.

I also get what you mean about the "cheapness" of Carhartt from an appearance standpoint, though they'd certainly held up pretty well over the years.

[orionz06]

All your pants dreams come true.... Cargo sweat pants.

http://m.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-souped-up-cargo-sweatpants-56011.aspx?src=T13WRTGTI

Totally screams gainfully employed.


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[Notso]

Good info folks. Every time I post a topic I cringe thinking everyone is going to think I'm crazy- and then it turns out everyone on here is just as crazy (or forward thinking!) as I am. Didn't even think to run the search function. Thanks ST911 for posting the several links to similar topics.

Never heard of TAD. I'll check them out. Cargo pockets are must for me but that's just my goofy thing. As with many topics on these forums, it comes down to personal preference and "ymmv" but what I appreciate is no one is really judgmental on this site. It's refreshing. Thanks guys.

On a slightly off topic. Artemas said he gets a kick out of the EDC pics. I was starting to have a conversation with a navy shrink about neuroplasticity and military/LE world a few weeks ago. Look it up if you're bored. Basically, if you have been taught to think this way and do it a lot those neurons will bond together and strengthen. In other words, our jobs may make us more negative and believe the end of the world is coming at any second. So the next time your wives roll their eyes at all of your EDC and tacticool pants you can just reply "neuroplasticity- it's science baby!" Mic drop.

[vcdgrips]

Very late to the party, I too have moved away from the 5.11 look to a more Prana, Kuhl, First Ascent/EB look in my "tactical pants".
If I was still specifically after a cargo pant, the Wrangler Riptop sold at WalMart clearly exceeds the intersection of quality and value at 20ish per.
They come in a grey/greenish and a khakishi, are fairly abrasion resistant, breath well, can handle a 1.75 inch reinforced Wilderness type belt, will hold a crease/press and
are available/replaceable everywear.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Men-s-Rip-Stop-Cargo-Shorts/14542025

[SLG]

Very late to the party, I too have moved away from the 5.11 look to a more Prana, Kuhl, First Ascent/EB look in my "tactical pants".
If I was still specifically after a cargo pant, the Wrangler Riptop sold at WalMart clearly exceeds the intersection of quality and value at 20ish per.
They come in a grey/greenish and a khakishi, are fairly abrasion resistant, breath well, can handle a 1.75 inch reinforced Wilderness type belt, will hold a crease/press and
are available/replaceable everywear.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Men-s-Rip-Stop-Cargo-Shorts/14542025

Interesting, thanks! For those of us on the road a lot, that could be useful.

[LtDave]

I have been really liking the Tru Spec pants over the past few years. They fit me far, far better than the 5.11s, hide and ankle or pocket gun better, are more durable, and my OD green pants are shockingly resistant to being covered in deer blood and still coming clean.

Another Tru Spec 24-7 fan here. I like to get them from Galls since they will hem them to any length you want. Prefer the cotton ones to the rip stop. Best fitting for me in preference to 5.11's and Eotac.

[Notso]

I find Prana and Kuhl as a little too flimsy when it comes to putting some weight on them. I have a couple of each (yes, I have pants problems). Maybe I need to relook them again in the next few weeks.

[23JAZ]

Another Tru Spec 24-7 fan here. I like to get them from Galls since they will hem them to any length you want. Prefer the cotton ones to the rip stop. Best fitting for me in preference to 5.11's and Eotac.


Another vote for Tru Spec 24-7. Great fit and the only company that makes a bootcut pant (that I know of).

[vcdgrips]

For you road warriors like SLG above, Walmart also sell a Dickie carpenter pant available in OD Green, Black, Khaki, "Carhartt" brown and a darker brown. While not quite up to Carhartt specs, at 24ish with triple needle seem stiching, they are not a bad way to go either. The OD ones are my go "Scout Pants" for meetings, dry cold campouts etc.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dickies-1939RBK-30-30-Mens-Relaxed-Fit-Duck-Utility-Jean-Rinsed-Black-30-30/35959930

[MGW]

If you buy Dickies brand try them in first and buy big. I've bought a couple pair and they end up being really small in the waist and fit tight in the seat and thighs for me.


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[Crawls]

I left Carhartts behind about 6 years ago, I was doing a lot of physical labor and crotch on like 4 relative new pants blew out. I have been very happy with Arborwear Tree Climber pants ever since. The lightweights are pretty good for summer, they recently upgraded to heavy pocket material which helps keeps all my stuff from wearing holes in the pockets.

I agree about the Arborwear stuff. Best cut work pants I've found and far more durable than any othe brand I've tried. I have two pairs that are going on 14 years old -- getting a bit too tight in the waist, but still perfectly serviceable.

[punkey71]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.

The only thing that concerns me about these is the front belt loop locations potentially interfering with holster placement for AIWBers.

Can any Riggs users comment?



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[ubervic]

I agree about the Arborwear stuff. Best cut work pants I've found and far more durable than any othe brand I've tried. I have two pairs that are going on 14 years old -- getting a bit too tight in the waist, but still perfectly serviceable.

I admit that I've never heard of Arborwear prior to mentions in this thread. Thankful for frequenting this forum, all the more.
Took a gander and find these pants to be exactly my preferred style (i.e., purposeful but not overtly 'tactical'), and the price is quite acceptable (i.e., my lifestyle is not nearly tactical enough to be able to justify buying pants upwards of $120 per pair).

Just ordered a pair of Arborwear and look forward to enjoying them.

[rob_s]

I haven't used the pants you linked to, and they look nice. I used to have a professional agreement with MK, but I've stopped using them because they all shrank really badly, and the "triple stitched" hems wore out very quickly. Same with some expensive tops I had from them. They pilled fast, and got holes pretty easily. I know others love their stuff, so it is what it is.

I was a massive MK fanboy, and have at least half a dozen pairs of khakis from them, and had no issue with the shrinkage some have reported,my hen out of nowhere it happened to me too! While I'd love to chalk it up to me just getting doughy, not only is the waist tighter but the legs are substantially shorter too.

Now I'm looking for work khakis that are no-iron and stretch. I guess,meaning turned 41 last year, I'm finally buying old man pants.

[MGW]

If you're not talking about cargos let me know what you find for work. I need them too.


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[orionz06]

I find Prana and Kuhl as a little too flimsy when it comes to putting some weight on them. I have a couple of each (yes, I have pants problems). Maybe I need to relook them again in the next few weeks.

Get the heavier weight pants from Kühl. They make up to 12 or 13 oz. fabric.



If you buy Dickies brand try them in first and buy big. I've bought a couple pair and they end up being really small in the waist and fit tight in the seat and thighs for me.


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Yeah, never understood how far off they could be, it's always been a good 4" jump for me.


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[rob_s]

If you're not talking about cargos let me know what you find for work. I need them too.


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Yeah, no cargos for work for me. All office geek with occasional construction site visits.

I'm ordering these (https://factory.jcrew.com/mens-clothing/pants/brokenin_chinos/PRD~E3798/E3798.jsp?N=16&Nbrd=F&Nloc=en_US&Nrpp=48&Npge=1&Ntrm=stretch&isSaleItem=false&color_name=KHAKI&isFromSearch=true&isNewSearch=true&hash=row0) today. Tried on the non-stretch last week and fit well enough for me to give them a sh

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I'm a big fan of the offerings from Arborwear. They are a higher performance work pant if there is such a thing. The quality on all their garments is phenomenal and all the pants have a gusset. Basically they are to Carhartt what Vert'x is to 5.11.

I find the best prices on them from prime or occasionally from Bailey's online when they have sales.

The carpenter style pants are tough and have a much nicer cut. Almost like am athletic cut. Also, as a fun added bonus the tool pocket in the right side of most of the pants is basically made to fit a Strider SMF.

[MGW]

Yeah, no cargos for work for me. All office geek with occasional construction site visits.

I'm ordering these (https://factory.jcrew.com/mens-clothing/pants/brokenin_chinos/PRD~E3798/E3798.jsp?N=16&Nbrd=F&Nloc=en_US&Nrpp=48&Npge=1&Ntrm=stretch&isSaleItem=false&color_name=KHAKI&isFromSearch=true&isNewSearch=true&hash=row0) today. Tried on the non-stretch last week and fit well enough for me to give them a sh

Looks like a possibility. I have a really difficult time finding pants for work that fit, are comfortable, and durable. Dockers are the standard here but their fit and durability are hit and miss.

Sorry for the thread drift.


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[JohnO]

Just had to add that this thread appears to be growing legs. :cool:

Someone asked further back about Riggs and AIWB placement in relation to belt loops. I'm using a JM Custom AWIB with the soft loops centered around the 1-o'clock loop. It's working fine. If I determine I want something different I have moved the 3-o'clock loop on Riggs in the past for a OWB holster.

[FOG]

I've recently got on the Duluth band wagon. The lighter fire hose flex pants are my favorite and seem to be very versatile.

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[luckyman]

If you're not talking about cargos let me know what you find for work. I need them too.


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I find the 5.11 "Covert 2.0 Khaki" to be the neatest looking option that also includes extra pocket space that is not a visible cargo pocket. I also like the Tru - Spec lightweight classic 24-7 pant, but the cut is not quite as neat and professional looking, plus the wide belt loop might slightly impact aiwb placement. Note having extra pocket space that is not a cargo pocket, and a neat appearance, are the 2 big criteria for me.



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[punkey71]

Just had to add that this thread appears to be growing legs. :cool:

Someone asked further back about Riggs and AIWB placement in relation to belt loops. I'm using a JM Custom AWIB with the soft loops centered around the 1-o'clock loop. It's working fine. If I determine I want something different I have moved the 3-o'clock loop on Riggs in the past for a OWB holster.
Thanks

I use the clip on my JMCK AIWB and it looked like that loop would be right in the way.

Thanks for the info.

[rob_s]

Since 5.11 got mentioned a few times I went looking at their site. Good Jesus they have a lot of different types of pants! 20 different models!
http://www.511tactical.com/mens/mens-pants.html

[Sam]

I find the 5.11 "Covert 2.0 Khaki" to be the neatest looking option that also includes extra pocket space that is not a visible cargo pocket. I also like the Tru - Spec lightweight classic 24-7 pant, but the cut is not quite as neat and professional looking, plus the wide belt loop might slightly impact aiwb placement. Note having extra pocket space that is not a cargo pocket, and a neat appearance, are the 2 big criteria for me.

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TAD offers a couple of different types of pants that work well. The Intercept pants do really well at looking like a nice set of jeans yet offer some great extra pocket room.

[orionz06]

TAD offers a couple of different types of pants that work well. The Intercept pants do really well at looking like a nice set of jeans yet offer some great extra pocket room.

Sap pocket and spare mag pocket!


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[Wheeler]

I used to like these for when I had to maintain business casual at work but now that I don't, I like jeans.

By far, my favorite type are the humble Wrangler Riggs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A2K8DM/). Sort of like Carhartt on a budget. Just comfy and plain tough.

I wear the Riggs Ranger pants, essentially designed for landscapers and such exclusively at work. They are the Riggs pants with cargo pockets. They also have the tactical hammer loop to confuse 'those in the know' into thinking they aren't really tactical. :)

[Drang]

I wear the Riggs Ranger pants, essentially designed for landscapers and such exclusively at work. They are the Riggs pants with cargo pockets. They also have the tactical hammer loop to confuse 'those in the know' into thinking they aren't really tactical. :)

But the hammer loop isn't so big I catch it on stuff. I'm enough of a klutz I would, otherwise.

[stimpee]

Very late to the party, I too have moved away from the 5.11 look to a more Prana, Kuhl, First Ascent/EB look in my "tactical pants".
If I was still specifically after a cargo pant, the Wrangler Riptop sold at WalMart clearly exceeds the intersection of quality and value at 20ish per.
They come in a grey/greenish and a khakishi, are fairly abrasion resistant, breath well, can handle a 1.75 inch reinforced Wilderness type belt, will hold a crease/press and
are available/replaceable everywear.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Men-s-Rip-Stop-Cargo-Shorts/14542025

I still use these pretty regularly, at least in warmer weather (does not qualify at the moment). They are certainly a great value, and comfortable. And unlike the cotton versions, they are not too long and droopy for my "oversquare" dimensions of 35ish x 29.

I have had trouble finding sizing that works for me, and the Vertyx pants have proven a good option since they have a 35x29 size that works well for me. At least it did before the holidays and the last year+ of weekly travel...

[OnionsAndDragons]

I've been amassing a collection of TAD pants by snapping up lightly used secondhand stuff on various forums. It seems I'm a perfect size for this, as I'm naturally in most people of my heights transition range ~38.

I have been loving some of the lower key model, unfortunately no clue of the names. A couple have very flat laying cargo pockets, so they aren't goofy or obvious. One of the pairs has very thin zip side pockets, which I LOVE. Don't look like cargos, but I don't have to sit on my wallet.

They have crazy pocket space in general, and seem to be very well constructed.

My absolute favorites are a super heavy duty canvas. They are stiff, but don't feel like it once on. I live them enough that I can even forgive having to sit on my wallet.

I did not like the cut on the Duluth jeans the lady ordered for me at Yuletime. I still need to try the Firehose. Now Arborwear is on my list.

I wear cargos regularly, but I like to have nicer low-key stuff with good pockets. Something that looks right with a nice Oxford.


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[Drang]

...
I wear cargos regularly, but I like to have nicer low-key stuff with good pockets. Something that looks right with a nice Oxford.
I like these: Men’s ROC II Rugged Outdoor Chino Pant Soft | Columbia.com (http://www.columbia.com/mens-roc-ii-pant-1666381_S.html?cgid=men-pantsShorts&dwvar_1666381__S_variationColor=243#start=0).
Of course, for the last decade or so about the only time I've had to think about "pants that go with a nice oxford" was on a cruise, and they don't allow shorts or jeans in the dining room...
(I wound up making a last-minute run to Deseret Industries and buying a $10 sports jacket for Formal Night...)

[OnionsAndDragons]

I like these: Men’s ROC II Rugged Outdoor Chino Pant Soft | Columbia.com (http://www.columbia.com/mens-roc-ii-pant-1666381_S.html?cgid=men-pantsShorts&dwvar_1666381__S_variationColor=243#start=0).
Of course, for the last decade or so about the only time I've had to think about "pants that go with a nice oxford" was on a cruise, and they don't allow shorts or jeans in the dining room...
(I wound up making a last-minute run to Deseret Industries and buying a $10 sports jacket for Formal Night...)

Oooh. I like those, too. Going in the list!

Yeah, I don't have a lot of occasion to necessitate dressing nice; I just like to do it 1-2 days a week. Because sometimes it just feels good.


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[Wheeler]

I like these: Men’s ROC II Rugged Outdoor Chino Pant Soft | Columbia.com (http://www.columbia.com/mens-roc-ii-pant-1666381_S.html?cgid=men-pantsShorts&dwvar_1666381__S_variationColor=243#start=0).
Of course, for the last decade or so about the only time I've had to think about "pants that go with a nice oxford" was on a cruise, and they don't allow shorts or jeans in the dining room...
(I wound up making a last-minute run to Deseret Industries and buying a $10 sports jacket for Formal Night...)

I have a couple pair of the Columbia ROC pants. They don't really qualify as cargo pants but they have enough pockets that I can spread stuff around and still carry all my 'necessary' items. They hold up quite well too. I like them for range pants and used them a lot while on vacation.

[DMF13]

I usually wear jeans for work days, but on the range, whether teaching or simply shooting my own quals, I like to have plenty of pocket space for spare mags and even extra loose rounds. We also wear khakis as part of the "instructor uniform" for DT, so I wear cargo pants then too. I usually wear Propper BDU pants, that are 60/40 cotton/poly. They hold up to a lot of abuse, are comfortable, and I've gotten them on sale as little as $20 a pair on Amazon.

[Notorious E.O.C.]

I did not like the cut on the Duluth jeans the lady ordered for me at Yuletime. I still need to try the Firehose. Now Arborwear is on my list.

Duluth jeans are cut to flatter no one, but they do have one redeeming feature. Between pocket depth and baggy thighs, I can pocket carry a Walther PPS without identifiable printing.

[rob_s]

Very late to the party, I too have moved away from the 5.11 look to a more Prana, Kuhl, First Ascent/EB look in my "tactical pants".
If I was still specifically after a cargo pant, the Wrangler Riptop sold at WalMart clearly exceeds the intersection of quality and value at 20ish per.
They come in a grey/greenish and a khakishi, are fairly abrasion resistant, breath well, can handle a 1.75 inch reinforced Wilderness type belt, will hold a crease/press and
are available/replaceable everywear.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Wrangler-Men-s-Rip-Stop-Cargo-Shorts/14542025

I have several pairs of these too and I wear them a lot. I wish they made a slimmer fit though, as they fit like karate pants.

[Wheeler]

I have several pairs of these too and I wear them a lot. I wish they made a slimmer fit though, as they fit like karate pants.

Not only that, if you front pocket carry the cut of the pocket doesn't conceal the butt very well. My LCR in a DeSantis Nemesis tends to slip out when I sit down. They also don't distribute weight very well if you carry a lot of crap like I do.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

I usually wear jeans for work days, but on the range, whether teaching or simply shooting my own quals, I like to have plenty of pocket space for spare mags and even extra loose rounds. We also wear khakis as part of the "instructor uniform" for DT, so I wear cargo pants then too. I usually wear Propper BDU pants, that are 60/40 cotton/poly. They hold up to a lot of abuse, are comfortable, and I've gotten them on sale as little as $20 a pair on Amazon.

Suspect I'm preaching to the choir now but like DMF above, for range, class or match wear, I still use sev. pair of well worn 5.11 cargos, as the pockets for spare mags, stapler, IFAK & a cool guy tool get used every time.

Have 2 pr. of Kuhls for nite wear but 5.11 Covert Cargos have been my work pants (office nerd) since 2012 after retiring the various Vertx I wore since 2008. The Covert Cargo's price is tolerable & the pockets are such that I can still carry an IFAK, TQ, cell, Shield (when shirt tucked in, otherwise AIWB) 2 mags, EB1, OC & a Benchmade Triage, all w/ out being made. Dr. visits, atty/courthouse, 6 days a week @ my 30.06/30.07 posted gym & I've yet to find a more versatile pant w/ a better lo-pro pocket layout, than the Cov. Cargos.

Gotta add the standard, just my experiences & YMMV applies as always.

[Casey]

Love TAD pants—the Force 10 RS (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-RS-Cargo-Pant) and AC (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-AC-Cargo-Pant) Cargo Pants are phenomenal, as are the shorts (I only wish the shorts had the same internal organization as the pants). For me, the belt loop placement on the Force 10s is perfect for locking my holster in place at 3:30. And being able to slip a soft knee pad into the pants is great for classes.

I'm also a fan of Mountain Khakis, though I have noticed the shrinkage issue, as well (though they seem to be more true-to-fit than most other "vanity sizing" that you find with other brands; I wear a 36 waist with MKs and Vertx, but a 34 waist in just about everything else). These days, if pants don't have notched or reinforced pockets for light/knife carry, I'm not interested.

Vertx, I like mostly for their boot cut leg, which is great for the rare occasion when I wear a backup gun. Low profile cargo pockets are nice, and the internal organization is great for keeping a CAT and Dark Angel Mini upright, but don't plan on being able to stuff very much stuff in the cargo pockets. Sizing can be a bit wonky (inseams run long, waists run small). The Airflow pants are money for hot days on the range when you want the protection of long pants but still want some ventilation. Wish they were able to take kneepad inserts, though.

I would like to try Kuhl's offerings one of these days, as their "Kuhlair" ventilation feature seems nice for wear in the South.

[Gray222]

Love TAD pants—the Force 10 RS (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-RS-Cargo-Pant) and AC (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-AC-Cargo-Pant) Cargo Pants are phenomenal, as are the shorts (I only wish the shorts had the same internal organization as the pants). For me, the belt loop placement on the Force 10s is perfect for locking my holster in place at 3:30. And being able to slip a soft knee pad into the pants is great for classes.

I'm also a fan of Mountain Khakis, though I have noticed the shrinkage issue, as well (though they seem to be more true-to-fit than most other "vanity sizing" that you find with other brands; I wear a 36 waist with MKs and Vertx, but a 34 waist in just about everything else). These days, if pants don't have notched or reinforced pockets for light/knife carry, I'm not interested.

Vertx, I like mostly for their boot cut leg, which is great for the rare occasion when I wear a backup gun. Low profile cargo pockets are nice, and the internal organization is great for keeping a CAT and Dark Angel Mini upright, but don't plan on being able to stuff very much stuff in the cargo pockets. Sizing can be a bit wonky (inseams run long, waists run small). The Airflow pants are money for hot days on the range when you want the protection of long pants but still want some ventilation. Wish they were able to take kneepad inserts, though.

I would like to try Kuhl's offerings one of these days, as their "Kuhlair" ventilation feature seems nice for wear in the South.

Re vertx: at shot i saw a pair of vertx pants that take knee inserts...

[Casey]

Re vertx: at shot i saw a pair of vertx pants that take knee inserts...

Nice! Were they insertable externally (meaning pads can be inserted while wearing the pants)?

[Gray222]

Nice! Were they insertable externally (meaning pads can be inserted while wearing the pants)?

I assumed so, I didnt really get into it.

[KL4545]

I just roll with Vertx or Carhartt. I make to get them when they're on sale.

[Notorious E.O.C.]

FYI for other dead bird wearers, REI has the Bastion pants (30" and 32" inseam) on closeout right now.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I just ordered the stretchy mountain khakis from amazon. Stretchy pants rock.

[MGW]

I just ordered the stretchy mountain khakis from amazon. Stretchy pants rock.

Says soccer moms everywhere.


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[rob_s]

I just ordered the stretchy mountain khakis from amazon. Stretchy pants rock.


Says soccer moms everywhere.


In fact, I think MK only makes stretchy pants for women...

and Mirolynmonbro, don't say we didn't warn you about the shrinkage and durability issues of MK. I refused to listen, and I got mega-screwed and stuck with a bunch of pairs of useless pants. MK says they'll exchange them *IF* I bought direct from them and can show a receipt that's less than a year old.

[ubervic]

and Mirolynmonbro, don't say we didn't warn you about the shrinkage and durability issues of MK. I refused to listen, and I got mega-screwed and stuck with a bunch of pairs of useless pants. MK says they'll exchange them *IF* I bought direct from them and can show a receipt that's less than a year old.

MK requires one to purchase the pants direct in order to obtain warranty relief? If I buy a pair of their pants from Amazon, factory-new, I do not enjoy the benefit of full warranty protection?

If true, then that brand is BS.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

MK requires one to purchase the pants direct in order to obtain warranty relief? If I buy a pair of their pants from Amazon, factory-new, I do not enjoy the benefit of full warranty protection?

If true, then that brand is BS.

Last year I bought 2 pair of pants direct from MK, returned them & ordered 2 more in a larger size.

It took me over 60 days to get $400.+ of CC charges reversed, had MUCH difficulty w/ them just locating the first returned pairs @ their wharehouse in NC, then just getting the right (4+ telcons) POC on the ph was another PITA.

At the end of the day, all 4 pair were returned, some 60+ days later my CC showed the credits & I moved on from MK.

Just my experiences, YMMV (overused but relevant) as other choices are out there & life is just too short for their ineptness etc. IMO.

[Mirolynmonbro]

Hehe. They're these ones, but I ordered from amazon. I really like the Columbia royal ridge pants too, but these look a bit thicker and less like hiking pants

http://www.mountainkhakis.com/products/men/pants/mens-camber-model-107-pant.cfm

[rob_s]

MK requires one to purchase the pants direct in order to obtain warranty relief? If I buy a pair of their pants from Amazon, factory-new, I do not enjoy the benefit of full warranty protection?

If true, then that brand is BS.

That's what they told me. I sent them pictures of multiple pairs of the same pants that were now different sizes due to shrinkage (to say nothing of the pockets that shredded) and they said they'd exchange if they were <1 year old and purchased direct.

I love the pants and jeans, when new, but the shrinkage and durability leave a lot to be desired. What really sucks is that I was doing great with them for at least a year, but evidently that's because I owned 4 pairs and was wearing each only once every two weeks. Eventually they turned into skin-tight high waders. Both the jeans and the khakis.

[ubervic]

Quite disappointing re: MK.


As luck would have it, I'm wearing a pair of MK Camber 107 right now. I have had them for almost a year (?), wearing them frequently. I wash them in cold water and dry them in the Permanent Press cycle until barely damp, just as I do with all my non-white clothing. Waist and thighs still seem to be a fine fit, but they seem to have shrunk in length about an inch. I have two other pair and haven't noticed significant shrinkage. Maybe I'm lucky. But still, the reported Customer Service is poor.

[Mack]

I have no experience with MK pants, but the easiest solution if you like them is to size up and wash them as infrequently as possible. I looked at their website and it says the pants are garment washed (washed after being sewn together, but doesn't guarantee they will be pre-shrunk) but makes no mention of the fabric being sanforized (a process which reduces the amount a fabric will shrink) or not. I would find it unlikely to have an unsaforized fabric with any spandex content but certainly not impossible. Unsanforized fabrics can shrink up to 10% when washed, and even though sanforized fabrics are only supposed to shrink 1-3% when washed, it can be up to 5% depending on weave density.

Twill fabrics shrink more with the grain (warp) than crossgrain (weft) which is why the inseam shrinks more than the waist. When the pants get tighter they also get less durable as they are under more stress. This is why you will see a baggy pair of $30 jeans last forever and you will get a crotch blowout in 6 months in a pair of $300 skinny jeans. Fortunately the fabrics relax back to their natural size (or sometimes bigger) with wearing, but the downside is you can't wash them. Even washing in cold water and air drying will cause some shrinkage. Fortunately as long as you don't get your pants filthy they don't actually get that dirty if you don't wash them for a while.

[ubervic]

To each his own, but 20 years as a married man (and another 18 as a father) has trained me firmly away from wearing dirty clothing (or allowing same in my house).

I won't give a pass to a clothing maker that markets pants that are washed with care yet still shrink inordinately.

[rob_s]

Yeah, no cargos for work for me. All office geek with occasional construction site visits.

I'm ordering these (https://factory.jcrew.com/mens-clothing/pants/brokenin_chinos/PRD~E3798/E3798.jsp?N=16&Nbrd=F&Nloc=en_US&Nrpp=48&Npge=1&Ntrm=stretch&isSaleItem=false&color_name=KHAKI&isFromSearch=true&isNewSearch=true&hash=row0) today. Tried on the non-stretch last week and fit well enough for me to give them a sh


I have no experience with MK pants, but the easiest solution if you like them is to size up and wash them as infrequently as possible. I looked at their website and it says the pants are garment washed (washed after being sewn together, but doesn't guarantee they will be pre-shrunk) but makes no mention of the fabric being sanforized (a process which reduces the amount a fabric will shrink) or not. I would find it unlikely to have an unsaforized fabric with any spandex content but certainly not impossible. Unsanforized fabrics can shrink up to 10% when washed, and even though sanforized fabrics are only supposed to shrink 1-3% when washed, it can be up to 5% depending on weave density.

Twill fabrics shrink more with the grain (warp) than crossgrain (weft) which is why the inseam shrinks more than the waist. When the pants get tighter they also get less durable as they are under more stress. This is why you will see a baggy pair of $30 jeans last forever and you will get a crotch blowout in 6 months in a pair of $300 skinny jeans. Fortunately the fabrics relax back to their natural size (or sometimes bigger) with wearing, but the downside is you can't wash them. Even washing in cold water and air drying will cause some shrinkage. Fortunately as long as you don't get your pants filthy they don't actually get that dirty if you don't wash them for a while.

I got the pants I linked to above, and because of the various shrinkage issues I went up an inch in the waist to a 35" instead of a 34" and opted for the 32" inseam instead of the 30". Having not yet washed them, they are both too loose and too long. Hopefully that will remedy with a washing or two, but in the immediate term I'm very happy with them and if I can get the size settled on will be ordering quite a few more. I just need 4 pairs of khakis that fit and are comfortable to wear each for two days for two weeks to cut down on laundry. And they can't be dryclean, or require some weird ritual to wash either. They need to go in the wash, come out, go in the dryer, get hung up when it's convenient for me.

What's frustrating about clothes buying, in general, is having no way to predict shrinkage, or (especially in the case of brands like Vertx) what factory they make the pants in to start with dictating the size they are when they come out of the package. Having uncomfortable clothing can really ruin my day since I spend so much of it sitting on my ass now.

[MGW]

How much do the VertX pants shrink? I received the three pair I ordered on close out from LA Police gear. I like them a lot but the waist is a perfect fit. If they shrink much I'll be in trouble. I would like to order more but trying to decide if I should go up a size.


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[Chris17404]

Hello. I thought I'd just add my 2 cents to the discussion. A while ago I was searching for multiple pairs of pants that I could carry my EDC items easily yet look good in a business casual environment. I found these Eddie Bauer Men's Classic Fit Legend Wash Chino Pants: Here (http://www.eddiebauer.com/product/men--39-s-classic-fit-legend-wash-chino-pants/10307484/_/A-ebSku_0035696413009588__10307484_catalog10002_en__ US?showProducts=&backToCat=Chinos/Khaki%20Pants&previousPage=&tab=men&color=879)

They are excellent. They are not cargo pants, but the front and back pockets are nice and big, they are very soft and comfortable, come is many colors, and the styling is classic with a perfect fit for me. Not too tight nor baggy. I'm 6'2", 190lbs with long legs. I ordered the 36" waist/34" inseam and chose the "tall fit" which adds an extra bit to the rise in the crotch. If I'm not wearing jeans, I'm wearing these pants.

I highly recommend them. Hope this helps someone out.

Oh... and no shrinkage. :)

[Mack]

I got the pants I linked to above, and because of the various shrinkage issues I went up an inch in the waist to a 35" instead of a 34" and opted for the 32" inseam instead of the 30". Having not yet washed them, they are both too loose and too long. Hopefully that will remedy with a washing or two, but in the immediate term I'm very happy with them and if I can get the size settled on will be ordering quite a few more. I just need 4 pairs of khakis that fit and are comfortable to wear each for two days for two weeks to cut down on laundry. And they can't be dryclean, or require some weird ritual to wash either. They need to go in the wash, come out, go in the dryer, get hung up when it's convenient for me.

What's frustrating about clothes buying, in general, is having no way to predict shrinkage, or (especially in the case of brands like Vertx) what factory they make the pants in to start with dictating the size they are when they come out of the package. Having uncomfortable clothing can really ruin my day since I spend so much of it sitting on my ass now.

I'm super picky about all my clothes, and unfortunately my time in garment manufacturing has only taught me there's no end in sight for the frustration. The best way to reduce the chances of having any of your clothes being made useless by the washing machine or struggling with inconsistent sizing is to buy things from larger companies. Believe it or not a garment really needs to have a separate pattern made for each colorway as a pair of paints in a particular fabric can vary in shrinkage between colors, and if they don't make a separate pattern you end up buying two pairs of the same pants that fit differently. These smaller companies are generally at the mercy of their sewing contractor, and with minimums in place (usually 100-1000 per individual style), making a garment correctly could put the company out of business through inventory costs alone. That's not really an acceptable excuse for poor craftsmanship but there's no avoiding it unfortunately. At least we know we are not alone with our garment woes.

[punkey71]

Slight necro post but I dont think these these mentioned specifically.

I haven't bought pants or shorts and a couple years and after reading this I was trying to figure out what I wanted to try.

I do like cargo shorts/pants because I usually have a bunch of crap in my pockets and hate stuff in front and back pockets.

I decided to give the Duluth Dry on the Fly pants a shot. I ordered both shorts and a pair of pants.

They don't offer traditional sizing in the DOTF line. They come in medium, large, XL etc. due to the flex, I assume. I typically wear 36 and carry a G19 AIWB in a JMCK. I ordered the large and they're a great fit. The front belt loops allow for the proper position for my 1.5 inch clip. The loops are only about 1.5" though, so if you wear a 1.75" belt they won't work.

They are very lightweight and very comfortable. Between the flex material and crotch gusset there is no restriction anywhere. I'm glad I gave them a shot. They're perfect for summer time but probably too thin for winter for most folks. They are DEFINETELY lightweight. Thats actually why I was drawn to them. I sweat in winter and will probably wear them year round. I only wear long pants below freezing or working in the woods.

They certainly may not be perfect for everybody but I'm glad I bought them and have no regrets.

They are a little expensive though - to me at least. $135 shipped for the pair.

Im really excited about pairing these with my Volund SLIM G Hook belt once it arrives. I currently have the standard thickness Volund and while not bad, I dont think I need it as stiff as it is for my body type and carry method.


http://youtu.be/69dGLrjhVbc

[martin_j001]

I'm a bigger guy and often have a hard time finding pants that fit well (cavernous at the ankles or too tight overall, etc). I've found the Duluth Flex pants to work great for me. And I prefer the carpenter style too, as they don't stand out too much.

[punkey71]

Try the above Dry on the Fly version of the flex pants. I think you'll really enjoy them

[martin_j001]

Try the above Dry on the Fly version of the flex pants. I think you'll really enjoy them

They will likely be my next purchase. I bought some of the Flex shorts a while back, but only before discovering the next waist size up is a much more comfortable fit on me (especially for carrying IWB). I like the lighter fabric of the Flex models too, so even lighter gets my attention...

[rob_s]

Try the above Dry on the Fly version of the flex pants. I think you'll really enjoy them

I really want to try these bu (a) the $80 price tag is off-putting and (b) the sizing skips my ideal waist size of 35".

[punkey71]

I really want to try these bu (a) the $80 price tag is off-putting and (b) the sizing skips my ideal waist size of 35".

They aren't cheap, for sure. I don't buy clothes on a regular basis. I wear my clothes until my wife throws them out (against my will) because they are so horribly worn and embarrass her.

Generally speaking expensive clothes are a waste of money to me. Every job I've ever had has come with a uniform. That's probably why I've never concerned myself with nice clothes - I just don't have a reason to wear them. I've never paid $135 for one pair of shorts and one pair of pants. Hitting "Submit order" made me a little nauseous. That said, these make me feel like they were worth it. If I take off the belt and gun I could easily sleep in them.

If you haven't done so, sign up for the Duluth email promos. Within a day or two I got a 20% discount email. They also offer free shipping over $50 but you can't combine free shipping and the 20% off.

You might be a medium. There is a ton of give in the waistband and that may be perfect. They do offer a 100% No Bull guarantee so returning them shouldn't be too much of a hassle - I'm not sure if you pay return shipping or they do though.

[ubervic]

...I also wear the LAPG urban ops recon (don't get me started) in canvas because they look decent, have slim cut cargo pockets, and are about $25.

Thanks for the tip. I just went to that site and bought 3 pair to try. Under $23.00 per pair. At that price, even if they are only half as good and comfortable as they appear to be, I will dance with joy at the screamin' deal I got and will return to by every color offered.

[WobblyPossum]

I recently got a pair of the pants Ubervic linked to and I love them. They fit great, feel comfortable, and actually look okay (not tactical). The negatives are that the cargo pocket on the right side has a single button closure without a flap so I think it's useless and the rear pockets are kind of shallow. I've caught my wallet having fallen out on more than one occasion when getting up from my seat at a restaurant. I also haven't had them long enough to need to wash them so I can't comment about them shrinking.


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Update: I've washed my Mountain Khakis twice now. I followed the directions on the tag and they still shrank to the point that it looks like I'm wearing capris. One of the front pockets also has a hole in it. Guess I won't be recommending these anymore.

[ubervic]

Update: I've washed my Mountain Khakis twice now. I followed the directions on the tag and they still shrank to the point that it looks like I'm wearing capris. One of the front pockets also has a hole in it. Guess I won't be recommending these anymore.

I have not experienced the drastic shrinkage after washing that others have, but I have found that the sizing of the Mountain Khaki brand is inconsistent. I love the weight of the cotton, the cut of the legs and the design of all pockets...but I now have three (3) pair of pants in the same size yet one feels perfect, the other feels slightly tight, and the last purchase is virtually unwearable, all right out of the box. Too bad, and I won't recommend them going forward, either.

[Casey]

ETA: Didn't realize I had already replied to this thread. Oh, well.

I'm a cargo pant addict. I recently moved from a uniformed position at my plant to a management role, which means now I get to wear pretty much whatever I want, so I've been on the hunt for new pants. Here are a few that I've tried recently.

Vertx Original. (http://www.vertx.com/product/mens-original-tactical-pants-desert-tan/655) Hands-down my favorite.
Pros: Low-profile cargo pockets for a semi-professional appearance. Internal organizer slots in the cargo pockets which are perfectly sized for a CAT tourniquet and Dark Angel Mini. Comfy elastic waistband. Boot cut legs that are perfect for ankle carry. Roomy fit without being baggy and unsightly. Notched hip pockets that let you clip in a knife and light and still access everything in your pockets. Articulated knees which keep the pants from bunching up when kneeling or sitting.
Cons: I carry my knife in my right hip pocket, and the zipper pull on the hidden pocket is visibly marring the blade of the knife. The heavier weight fabric is a little warm for summer use in South Florida. Sizing is a little wonky (inseams run about an inch long, waists run about an inch short—I'm a 34Wx34L in almost every other brand, but Vertx I have to wear 35Wx34L).

Vertx Phantom Ops. (http://www.vertx.com/phantom-ops-mens-tactical-pants-smoke-grey)
Pros: Lighter fabric than the Originals and better suited to warm weather. Roomier cargo pockets. Dedicated (but small) slot pockets on each hip for knives/lights, etc.
Cons: Fabric is noisier than the Originals (at least when they're new). Fit is a little more snug around the hips and seat.

5.11 Stryke. (http://www.511tactical.com/stryke-pant-flex-tac.html) Really not a big fan of these.
Pros: Wide variety of colors. Lightweight fabric. Teflon coating that resists stains.
Cons: Low rise and snug in the seat and hips. I'm not a metrosexual. I don't like tight pants.

TAD Force 10. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-RS-Cargo-Pant) Second favorite after the Vertx Originals.
Pros: Tons of pockets. Externally accessible kneepad insert pockets. Front welt pockets. Hip pockets with integrated coin pockets and reinforced areas where knife pocket clips sit. Hidden document pockets. Sizable cargo pockets with multiple internal organizer slots. Pockets pockets pockets. Also available in a quick-drying 100% nylon "Amphibious Cloth" version that is great for hot weather.
Cons: These are not grey-man pants. They are basically Crye Combat Pants without the hard kneecaps and stretch panels. Pricey.

Kuhl Kontra Air. (http://www.kuhl.com/kuhl/mens/pants/kontra-air/) These would be my favorites for hot weather if the hip pockets weren't so shallow.
Pros: Lightweight, quick-drying fabric. Multiple mesh air vents for breathability. Articulated knees. Low profile zippered cargo pockets. Slot pockets perfect for CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini. Reinforced fabric panels inside pant cuffs.
Cons: Jeans-style and way too shallow traditional hip pocket design. Leg openings are a little on the narrow side.

TAD Recon. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Recon-AC-Pant) I love TAD stuff, but hate the pockets on these.
Pros: Cargo pockets are not as ostentatious as on the Force 10s. These look more like hiking pants than tactical pants.
Cons: Cargo pockets are small and force the contents toward the front of your thighs, which looks a little odd when full. Front welt pockets are inside/above the hip pockets, meaning they are difficult to access and the contents of each pocket are layered on top of each other. If you put something in the welt pocket, it obstructs access to the hip pocket.

TAD Covert. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Covert-RS-Pant) Little more professional looking than the Force 10s, but you sacrifice storage space.
Pros: Outer thigh phone pockets that fit a CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini fairly well. Reinforced knees. Reinforced cuffs.
Cons: Snug fit compared to the Force 10s. Button fly.

I've also gone down the Mountain Khakis path in recent years. I really like their clothes, but I agree they tend to shrink excessively over time. I'll have to give Duluth another shot. I tried their original firehose pants years ago, but didn't care for the fit at the time.

[Gray222]

ETA: Didn't realize I had already replied to this thread. Oh, well.

I'm a cargo pant addict. I recently moved from a uniformed position at my plant to a management role, which means now I get to wear pretty much whatever I want, so I've been on the hunt for new pants. Here are a few that I've tried recently.

Vertx Original. (http://www.vertx.com/product/mens-original-tactical-pants-desert-tan/655) Hands-down my favorite.
Pros: Low-profile cargo pockets for a semi-professional appearance. Internal organizer slots in the cargo pockets which are perfectly sized for a CAT tourniquet and Dark Angel Mini. Comfy elastic waistband. Boot cut legs that are perfect for ankle carry. Roomy fit without being baggy and unsightly. Notched hip pockets that let you clip in a knife and light and still access everything in your pockets. Articulated knees which keep the pants from bunching up when kneeling or sitting.
Cons: I carry my knife in my right hip pocket, and the zipper pull on the hidden pocket is visibly marring the blade of the knife. The heavier weight fabric is a little warm for summer use in South Florida. Sizing is a little wonky (inseams run about an inch long, waists run about an inch short—I'm a 34Wx34L in almost every other brand, but Vertx I have to wear 35Wx34L).

Vertx Phantom Ops. (http://www.vertx.com/phantom-ops-mens-tactical-pants-smoke-grey)
Pros: Lighter fabric than the Originals and better suited to warm weather. Roomier cargo pockets. Dedicated (but small) slot pockets on each hip for knives/lights, etc.
Cons: Fabric is noisier than the Originals (at least when they're new). Fit is a little more snug around the hips and seat.

5.11 Stryke. (http://www.511tactical.com/stryke-pant-flex-tac.html) Really not a big fan of these.
Pros: Wide variety of colors. Lightweight fabric. Teflon coating that resists stains.
Cons: Low rise and snug in the seat and hips. I'm not a metrosexual. I don't like tight pants.

TAD Force 10. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-RS-Cargo-Pant) Second favorite after the Vertx Originals.
Pros: Tons of pockets. Externally accessible kneepad insert pockets. Front welt pockets. Hip pockets with integrated coin pockets and reinforced areas where knife pocket clips sit. Hidden document pockets. Sizable cargo pockets with multiple internal organizer slots. Pockets pockets pockets. Also available in a quick-drying 100% nylon "Amphibious Cloth" version that is great for hot weather.
Cons: These are not grey-man pants. They are basically Crye Combat Pants without the hard kneecaps and stretch panels. Pricey.

Kuhl Kontra Air. (http://www.kuhl.com/kuhl/mens/pants/kontra-air/) These would be my favorites for hot weather if the hip pockets weren't so shallow.
Pros: Lightweight, quick-drying fabric. Multiple mesh air vents for breathability. Articulated knees. Low profile zippered cargo pockets. Slot pockets perfect for CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini. Reinforced fabric panels inside pant cuffs.
Cons: Jeans-style and way too shallow traditional hip pocket design. Leg openings are a little on the narrow side.

TAD Recon. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Recon-AC-Pant) I love TAD stuff, but hate the pockets on these.
Pros: Cargo pockets are not as ostentatious as on the Force 10s. These look more like hiking pants than tactical pants.
Cons: Cargo pockets are small and force the contents toward the front of your thighs, which looks a little odd when full. Front welt pockets are inside/above the hip pockets, meaning they are difficult to access and the contents of each pocket are layered on top of each other. If you put something in the welt pocket, it obstructs access to the hip pocket.

TAD Covert. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Covert-RS-Pant) Little more professional looking than the Force 10s, but you sacrifice storage space.
Pros: Outer thigh phone pockets that fit a CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini fairly well. Reinforced knees. Reinforced cuffs.
Cons: Snug fit compared to the Force 10s. Button fly.

I've also gone down the Mountain Khakis path in recent years. I really like their clothes, but I agree they tend to shrink excessively over time. I'll have to give Duluth another shot. I tried their original firehose pants years ago, but didn't care for the fit at the time.

no 5.11 apex?

n00b.

[9mm_shooter]

5.11 Apex are the most comfortable cargo pants I've ever worn, by far.


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[rob_s]

Update: I've washed my Mountain Khakis twice now. I followed the directions on the tag and they still shrank to the point that it looks like I'm wearing capris. One of the front pockets also has a hole in it. Guess I won't be recommending these anymore.
Yeah, unfortunately I'm done with them too. Really loved the fit and comfort.

[BN]

http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-pants-45507.aspx?processor=content

These are what I've been wearing recently. The pockets are very deep. I easily carry a G-26 in the front pocket and I could get away with a G-19. Cargo pockets are easily big enough for a J-Frame.

[Sam]

ETA: Didn't realize I had already replied to this thread. Oh, well.

I'm a cargo pant addict. I recently moved from a uniformed position at my plant to a management role, which means now I get to wear pretty much whatever I want, so I've been on the hunt for new pants. Here are a few that I've tried recently.

Vertx Original. (http://www.vertx.com/product/mens-original-tactical-pants-desert-tan/655) Hands-down my favorite.
Pros: Low-profile cargo pockets for a semi-professional appearance. Internal organizer slots in the cargo pockets which are perfectly sized for a CAT tourniquet and Dark Angel Mini. Comfy elastic waistband. Boot cut legs that are perfect for ankle carry. Roomy fit without being baggy and unsightly. Notched hip pockets that let you clip in a knife and light and still access everything in your pockets. Articulated knees which keep the pants from bunching up when kneeling or sitting.
Cons: I carry my knife in my right hip pocket, and the zipper pull on the hidden pocket is visibly marring the blade of the knife. The heavier weight fabric is a little warm for summer use in South Florida. Sizing is a little wonky (inseams run about an inch long, waists run about an inch short—I'm a 34Wx34L in almost every other brand, but Vertx I have to wear 35Wx34L).

Vertx Phantom Ops. (http://www.vertx.com/phantom-ops-mens-tactical-pants-smoke-grey)
Pros: Lighter fabric than the Originals and better suited to warm weather. Roomier cargo pockets. Dedicated (but small) slot pockets on each hip for knives/lights, etc.
Cons: Fabric is noisier than the Originals (at least when they're new). Fit is a little more snug around the hips and seat.

5.11 Stryke. (http://www.511tactical.com/stryke-pant-flex-tac.html) Really not a big fan of these.
Pros: Wide variety of colors. Lightweight fabric. Teflon coating that resists stains.
Cons: Low rise and snug in the seat and hips. I'm not a metrosexual. I don't like tight pants.

TAD Force 10. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Force-10-RS-Cargo-Pant) Second favorite after the Vertx Originals.
Pros: Tons of pockets. Externally accessible kneepad insert pockets. Front welt pockets. Hip pockets with integrated coin pockets and reinforced areas where knife pocket clips sit. Hidden document pockets. Sizable cargo pockets with multiple internal organizer slots. Pockets pockets pockets. Also available in a quick-drying 100% nylon "Amphibious Cloth" version that is great for hot weather.
Cons: These are not grey-man pants. They are basically Crye Combat Pants without the hard kneecaps and stretch panels. Pricey.

Kuhl Kontra Air. (http://www.kuhl.com/kuhl/mens/pants/kontra-air/) These would be my favorites for hot weather if the hip pockets weren't so shallow.
Pros: Lightweight, quick-drying fabric. Multiple mesh air vents for breathability. Articulated knees. Low profile zippered cargo pockets. Slot pockets perfect for CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini. Reinforced fabric panels inside pant cuffs.
Cons: Jeans-style and way too shallow traditional hip pocket design. Leg openings are a little on the narrow side.

TAD Recon. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Recon-AC-Pant) I love TAD stuff, but hate the pockets on these.
Pros: Cargo pockets are not as ostentatious as on the Force 10s. These look more like hiking pants than tactical pants.
Cons: Cargo pockets are small and force the contents toward the front of your thighs, which looks a little odd when full. Front welt pockets are inside/above the hip pockets, meaning they are difficult to access and the contents of each pocket are layered on top of each other. If you put something in the welt pocket, it obstructs access to the hip pocket.

TAD Covert. (http://store.tripleaughtdesign.com/Covert-RS-Pant) Little more professional looking than the Force 10s, but you sacrifice storage space.
Pros: Outer thigh phone pockets that fit a CAT TQ/Dark Angel Mini fairly well. Reinforced knees. Reinforced cuffs.
Cons: Snug fit compared to the Force 10s. Button fly.

I've also gone down the Mountain Khakis path in recent years. I really like their clothes, but I agree they tend to shrink excessively over time. I'll have to give Duluth another shot. I tried their original firehose pants years ago, but didn't care for the fit at the time.

Have you tried TAD legionnaires? Good middle spot between the coverts and the full blown Force 10s.

[LSP972]

Thanks for the tip. I just went to that site and bought 3 pair to try. Under $23.00 per pair. At that price, even if they are only half as good and comfortable as they appear to be, I will dance with joy at the screamin' deal I got and will return to by every color offered.

We just got an LAPG catalog at the lab, and one of my colleagues was saying we should all try a pair of those. I told them to go ahead… if any of my old comrades found out I was wearing a pair of pants called "urban ops recon"… I would be instant toast.

OTOH, I could probably get away with "summerweight tactical"… and those look rather promising. May give them a try.

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[LSP552]

… if any of my old comrades found out I was wearing a pair of underwear called "urban ops recon"… I would be instant toast.

.

You are wearing WHAT???

[runcible]

For what I do and in light of the things that I don't do: http://www.patagonia.com/us/product/mens-borderless-cargo-pants-regular?p=56790-1

I don't wear cargo pants very regularly, and mostly do to support or partake in training activities; they mostly deal with some of the associated peculiarities, and keep my nominal work clothing form getting trashed.

The Pata brand Borderless pants have stretch panels very akin to the mid-GWOT and after Crye pants; but are otherwise relatively streamlined in feature-set and presentation. I appreciate the reduced resistance when hitting their full range of motion, and the reduction in stress upon certain places; I'd rather not blow out a crotch in the middle of a grapple session, as has happened at previous employment.

They don't have aft besom or welt pockets as most male pants do; but for what I wear them for, it's preferable to not have anything carried there. Administrative tasks and moving to\from such a venue have the personal materials carried in the cargo pockets.

They're very much pants that you can PT in, if that's your thing.

[Casey]

no 5.11 apex? n00b.
I'm holding out until they're available on Promotive or GovX. I refuse to pay full price for 5.11.


Have you tried TAD legionnaires? Good middle spot between the coverts and the full blown Force 10s.
The Force 10s have a relaxed fit, which I prefer to TAD's standard fit.

[Gray222]

I'm holding out until they're available on Promotive or GovX. I refuse to pay full price for 5.11.


The Force 10s have a relaxed fit, which I prefer to TAD's standard fit.

full price?

bruuuh......

[punkey71]

full price?

bruuuh......
How does one avoid full price?

Please share!!

[Gray222]

How does one avoid full price?

Please share!!

Sharing?

This ain't grade school ;)

[punkey71]

That's it - I'm voting for Bernie now!!

:-)

[JAD]

You are wearing WHAT???

Do they not do underwear in the LSP?

[VolGrad]

Without reading the whole thread ..... are you guys wearing "tactical" cargo pants for LEO/MIL work of some sort or just for everyday pants?

In another thread about getting caught up in the tactical aspect of training, etc. I alluded to the fact I got caught up in all that jazz a few years ago but have thankfully retired every pair of cargo pants I have to yard work duty. Now, I do have a couple of pair of hiking pants that are sort of like cargo pants except the pockets don't bang the sides of my knees. The side pockets are actually on the side of my thighs (an actual practical location) and the bottom of the legs zip off to make shorts. I wear these for hiking or sometimes when travelling. Otherwise, I have abandoned all cargos - pants and shorts. Outside of actual tactical use I feel they are very passe.

[DMF13]

Without reading the whole thread ..... are you guys wearing "tactical" cargo pants for LEO/MIL work of some sort or just for everyday pants?Well I am LE, but as I said earlier, "I usually wear jeans for work days, but on the range, whether teaching or simply shooting my own quals, I like to have plenty of pocket space for spare mags and even extra loose rounds. We also wear khakis as part of the "instructor uniform" for DT, so I wear cargo pants then too."

[ubervic]

Without reading the whole thread ..... are you guys wearing "tactical" cargo pants for LEO/MIL work of some sort or just for everyday pants?

In another thread about getting caught up in the tactical aspect of training, etc. I alluded to the fact I got caught up in all that jazz a few years ago but have thankfully retired every pair of cargo pants I have to yard work duty. Now, I do have a couple of pair of hiking pants that are sort of like cargo pants except the pockets don't bang the sides of my knees. The side pockets are actually on the side of my thighs (an actual practical location) and the bottom of the legs zip off to make shorts. I wear these for hiking or sometimes when travelling. Otherwise, I have abandoned all cargos - pants and shorts. Outside of actual tactical use I feel they are very passe.

I bought a pair of 5.11 cargo pants years ago for general, casual and training wear---can't remember the style name, but they were one of their most popular styles at the time. They were kinda baggy and I felt like a major Timmie wearing them, so I stuffed them in a drawer soon enough and then actually sold them off via Ebay. I have avoided the 'tactical' look but appreciate having room to shove gear that I am carrying, especially during weekends, and so the trimmer-fitting, less tactical-looking cargo pants are appealing; thus, my decision to try/buy the uber-inexpensive LAPG Urban Recon pants.

[rob_s]

I'm stuck in suburban dad mode: hate the cargos for what they represent, can't get away from the ability to carry more dad shit around.

Same on the range, it's nice to have some empty pockets to stuff things in when needed.

[punkey71]

I'm stuck in suburban dad mode: hate the cargos for what they represent, can't get away from the ability to carry more dad shit around.

Same on the range, it's nice to have some empty pockets to stuff things in when needed.

100% agree. Thats exactly where I am at as well.

I carry stuff NOT gun related. I had cargo shorts well before I carried a pistol. I have lots of friends who wear cargos that don't even own a gun, let alone carry one.

The idea that anyone with a pair of shorts with some side pockets is a wanna-be-operator is a stretch. Cargo shorts with III%-er ball cap and a Molon Labe t-shirt? That's a different story. Cargos and a polo is pretty common and hardly attention getting/seeking.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

In my case, they just have a lot of utility for work. Sometimes that's at the range but more often just running around getting stuff done. If I'm actually writing, I'm probably lying on a couch in a furry house coat, so the rest of the time I'm testing gear, or driving places, or supplementing my writing income by doing some other work (this happens a lot).

So I guess...sort of tactical? Because they get worn to the range a lot. But mostly not, because more often they're general purpose work pants.

But that is part of why I like the ULTIMATE RECON TOTAL URBAN ASSAULT OPS OPERATOR pants from LAPG, even if the name is kind of embarrassing: they're cut slim enough that they don't look really ridiculous in most environments. If I'm just running around doing non-work stuff, I'm probably wearing them with a pair of simple cowboy boots and they look fine.



Anyway ubervic, I hope they work out for you...it's always nice to make a suggestion that actually benefits somebody for once.

[Jim Watson]

If it doesn't have to say "tactical" the Wrangler Angler is a good light cargo pant, not as bulky as most.

My only present cargo pants are some cheap ones with flannel or fleece lining for chill days on the range.

[LSP972]

You are wearing WHAT???

See???

I was saying that IF I wore those named pants, you and David and Dog and… hell, everybody… would disown me.

Fret not, former leader; all is well.;)

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[LSP972]

Do they not do underwear in the LSP?

He confused pants with underwear. Forgive him; he runs an office full of women in addition to getting older… the two are taking a mighty toll on him...:cool:

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[LSP972]

Without reading the whole thread ..... are you guys wearing "tactical" cargo pants for LEO/MIL work of some sort or just for everyday pants?



Both. They are comfortable and allow easy carrying of "stuff" without discomfort or printing, etc. The "comfortably rumpled" look also goes along nicely with my curmudgeonly self; people simply don't pay any attention. This "grey man" shit is really cool; all the "Don't worry about him, he's harmless." looks I get are quite amusing.

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[Casey]

Without reading the whole thread ..... are you guys wearing "tactical" cargo pants for LEO/MIL work of some sort or just for everyday pants?
For me, it's both. Office wear and general everyday use. Paired with a Columbia fishing shirt, I fit right in with the outdoorsy crowd down here.

[VolGrad]

I guess I don't carry enough stuff. I always found when I did put stuff in the side cargo pockets it was uncomfortable anyway as the stuff always banged on the sides of my knees.

[orionz06]

I guess I don't carry enough stuff. I always found when I did put stuff in the side cargo pockets it was uncomfortable anyway as the stuff always banged on the sides of my knees.

This. Not to mention how they look...

[BN]

I guess I don't carry enough stuff. I always found when I did put stuff in the side cargo pockets it was uncomfortable anyway as the stuff always banged on the sides of my knees.

Interesting. I had tried a few cargo pants before I got the Duluth Trading Flex work pants. I remember now that stuff banging my knee was one reason I didn't like them. I haven't noticed it with the Duluth.

I got out an old pair of 5:11 that I never liked. I measured the pockets and the bottom of the cargo pocket is higher on the Duluth and they are about 2 inches deeper. The best of both worlds. A J-Frame in a pocket holster easily fits in the Duluth cargo pocket, but there isn't enough room in the 5:11 cargo pocket.

[ReverendMeat]

I wear them for everyday use. I find them more comfortable than jeans and I hate carrying shit in my back pockets. I get good discounts on 5.11 so that's what I've stuck with up until recently, now I get good deals on Vertx and I like that their side pockets are less obvious.

[ubervic]

Circling back on this after buying and wearing the LA Police Gear 'Urban Recon' pants, I can tell you that these pants are well-designed, well-made, good-looking and very comfortable. Wife likes them as much as (if not more than) I do, and the fact that they cost under $23.00 per pair makes them a slam-dunk all day long.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html

[MD7305]

I mainly only wear "Tactical Cargos" when I'm in work related training or some special assignment at work calling for a more casual yet uniform appearance. The PD issues 5.11 pants and shorts: I hate them. They just issue the standard ole stuff, not the new improved stuff so my opinion is subject to change. 5.11 stuff always seemed to shrink quick and wasn't very durable. I had a pair of VertX pants and I liked the way they fit and found them very durable. Lately I just use my own funds and buy the TruSpec 24-7 pants. They're the most comfortable of the tactical style pants I've owned. They don't shrink at all and hold up well, very little fading. I'm still wearing a couple pairs I've had for about 4 years now. Lots of cargo room, with smaller pockets in the bigger cargo pockets that help items from bouncing around. Also they have a neat system to utilize neoprene knee pads that fit in pockets on the inside of the pants. Best part is you can find them around the $30 range. I really like the Kuhl line of pants but I can buy almost 3 pairs of the TruSpec for the price of a single pair of Kuhl's.

[Clusterfrack]

Circling back on this after buying and wearing the LA Police Gear 'Urban Recon' pants, I can tell you that these pants are well-designed, well-made, good-looking and very comfortable. Wife likes them as much as (if not more than) I do, and the fact that they cost under $23.00 per pair makes them a slam-dunk all day long.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html

I'm wearing a pair right now. These are excellent pants. I found that they run large, and had the best luck buying my size, and then shrinking them by 3x hot wash/dry.

[Hot Sauce]

I'm wearing a pair right now. These are excellent pants. I found that they run large, and had the best luck buying my size, and then shrinking them by 3x hot wash/dry.

How much do they shrink?

[Clusterfrack]

How much do they shrink?

About 1.5" in waist and length. I have a 32" waist, and the 32" size now fits perfectly after shrinking. 30" barely fit before washing in warm but was too small after.

[ubervic]

I'm wearing a pair right now. These are excellent pants. I found that they run large, and had the best luck buying my size, and then shrinking them by 3x hot wash/dry.

Fascinating. I had heard that these pants can shrink, but I went ahead and bought two pair in my regular size anyway. They fit me great right out of the package, and with my washing technique---cold or warm water, never hot; medium temp in dryer, and out while they are still barely damp---they have not shrunk at all at waist or length. I just ordered two more pair last night.

[dgg9]

I had a pair of newish 5.11 original cargos that tore along a seam after maybe a half dozen local around town wearings and then exactly 4 days of carbine classes. Another pair has been only for errands but after 20 washings it's thinning out alarmingly. I sense they're over rated or perhaps they cheaped out recently.

[Maple Syrup Actual]

Circling back on this after buying and wearing the LA Police Gear 'Urban Recon' pants, I can tell you that these pants are well-designed, well-made, good-looking and very comfortable. Wife likes them as much as (if not more than) I do, and the fact that they cost under $23.00 per pair makes them a slam-dunk all day long.

http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html

Totally stoked that worked out for you.

I think mine maybe might shrunk a really tiny bit? Not much though, and I put no special effort in on cleaning them.

[PPGMD]

I had a pair of newish 5.11 original cargos that tore along a seam after maybe a half dozen local around town wearings and then exactly 4 days of carbine classes. Another pair has been only for errands but after 20 washings it's thinning out alarmingly. I sense they're over rated or perhaps they cheaped out recently.

I have about 8 pairs of the 5.11 Taclite Pro shorts that I've had for probably 5-6 years now. Four of those pairs get worn often, like at least once a week, and washed. Other than some fading on the biner strap, and one pair that I put a pair of pin prick holes in they are no worse for wear.

I will probably have to replace them soon, as they are way too big. I've dropped at least two pants sizes since I purchased them.

Note: I am sponsored by 5.11, but wasn't at the time that I purchased these shorts I spent my own money on them.

[JCS]

I have about 8 pairs of the 5.11 Taclite Pro shorts that I've had for probably 5-6 years now. Four of those pairs get worn often, like at least once a week, and washed. Other than some fading on the biner strap, and one pair that I put a pair of pin prick holes in they are no worse for wear.

I will probably have to replace them soon, as they are way too big. I've dropped at least two pants sizes since I purchased them.

Note: I am sponsored by 5.11, but wasn't at the time that I purchased these shorts I spent my own money on them.

I need to pick some of these up.

[John10-19]

I have used 5.11 in the Original and TacLite fabrics, and Blackhawk in the 65/35 poly blend. In traditional tactical pants I recommend the Blackhawk LT2 with the 65/35 ripstop blend, they dry very quickly and I have used them with good results for the range and for travel.

I actually prefer the Eddie Bauer Guide Pro pants to the tactical clothing companies. They look less tactical and more REI. However the comfort and features are on par with the "tactical" pants. The side pockets are large enough for an AR mag or a iPhone 6s plus in a lifeproof case.

They also make a chino dress pant "horizon guide chino pants" in the same fabric, they are by far the best quality chino I have ever owned. I now own three pairs of the guide pro pants, a few pairs of the chino pants and stopped using everything else.

[rob_s]

This past weekend's activitities and some upcoming adventures have me looking for a new suburban-dad cargo pant with a couple of criteria. First I'd like to have some sort of adjustable or expandable waist to be able to carry or not, or wear with a belt or not. Second, I'd like them to be "summer weight". Third, I'd prefer less expensive rather than more expensive, prefert <$25 as they are just going to get ruined anyway. Fourth, a somewhat trimmer/slimmer leg would be preferred, not full skinny jean but not MC Hammer pants either.

The Wranglers I've been getting at Walmart are great but don't have the adjustable weight and the bagginess is starting to get to me.

I'm honestly just considering doing aftermarket BDUs in a tan color and use the tabs for the adjustment.

Another option is the Vertx, but the price is higher than I'd like and I have had horrible experience with the fit consistency. If I break down and go that route, it looks like this is what I'd want?
http://www.vertx.com/phantom-lt-mens-tactical-pants-khaki

[JTQ]

Another option is the Vertx, but the price is higher than I'd like and I have had horrible experience with the fit consistency. If I break down and go that route, it looks like this is what I'd want?
http://www.vertx.com/phantom-lt-mens-tactical-pants-khaki
Do the Vertx pants have a characteristic fit, i.e., the inseam is longer or shorter, or waist size is slimmer or fuller, than the size may suggest?

[rob_s]

Do the Vertx pants have a characteristic fit, i.e., the inseam is longer or shorter, or waist size is slimmer or fuller, than the size may suggest?

My problem has been consistency. I ordered three pairs of pants from them, all the same stated size, all different physical sizes. So the three waists were all different actual, and the three lengths were all different actual, despite the fact that all three tags said "34x32". If it was simply that they had a fit unique to Vertx I could have adjusted accordingly (I find this to be the case with more and more brands, actually) but I can't predict inconsistency.

[ubervic]

This past weekend's activitities and some upcoming adventures have me looking for a new suburban-dad cargo pant with a couple of criteria. First I'd like to have some sort of adjustable or expandable waist to be able to carry or not, or wear with a belt or not. Second, I'd like them to be "summer weight". Third, I'd prefer less expensive rather than more expensive, prefert <$25 as they are just going to get ruined anyway. Fourth, a somewhat trimmer/slimmer leg would be preferred, not full skinny jean but not MC Hammer pants either.

The Wranglers I've been getting at Walmart are great but don't have the adjustable weight and the bagginess is starting to get to me.

I'm honestly just considering doing aftermarket BDUs in a tan color and use the tabs for the adjustment.

Another option is the Vertx, but the price is higher than I'd like and I have had horrible experience with the fit consistency. If I break down and go that route, it looks like this is what I'd want?
http://www.vertx.com/phantom-lt-mens-tactical-pants-khaki

Based on your criteria, LAPG Urban Recon pants are a no-brainer.

Are they the very best-quality pants ever? NO
Are they the very best-quality pants I've ever seen or worn at a price of $22.99 per pair? ALL FREAKIN' DAY LONG. They are comfortable and look great. My wife even likes them on me. Come on, man!

http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html

[Casey]

My problem has been consistency. I ordered three pairs of pants from them, all the same stated size, all different physical sizes. So the three waists were all different actual, and the three lengths were all different actual, despite the fact that all three tags said "34x32". If it was simply that they had a fit unique to Vertx I could have adjusted accordingly (I find this to be the case with more and more brands, actually) but I can't predict inconsistency.
I've bought several pairs of Vertx in the past couple months. I've found that the sizing is consistent between pants that are the same fabric. So the Original Tactical pants in 98% cotton/2% Lycra fit the same regardless of color, as do the Phantom OPS pants in 65% poly/35% cotton, but the Originals fit slightly different from the Phantom OPS—the Originals seem to be a little looser in the waist and hips and slightly shorter in inseam, while the Phantom OPS fit slightly more snug in the waist but slightly longer in inseam.

For most pants I wear a 34" waist, with Vertx I need a 35" waist. If I want to be able to wear an IWB holster, I have to go up to a 36" waist. The 36" waist will work if I'm not carrying, but then the fit around the hips becomes a little baggier than I prefer. For inseam, I wear a 34" in most pants, and a 34" in Vertx works well, if maybe a touch on the long side, but not enough to make me want to get them hemmed.

I don't own any of the Phantom LT pants. They're the same fabric as the OPS pants, so one would hope they would fit the same, but with Vertx that isn't guaranteed, unfortunately.

[Surf]

I have more LAPG pants than I can count, use them pretty much daily when working. I have a few different styles. I like that that they are lightweight for hot climates and pretty darn durable at a price that is hard if not impossible to beat. A couple issues have been with the zipper losing a tooth, but that has not been the norm. I also have a couple of the latest Urban Recon pants and they are excellent, however they are a tad thicker than say the operator pants and they also fade faster. I must say that I hate the LAPG logos and if it is a sewn on tab like on the Urban Recon, I will cut it off. I won't buy another Urban Ops as it is embroidered on the pant. I also hate that LAPG does not have better shipping rates to certain places, so I will only buy stuff from LAPG when they have a good discount running.

[martin_j001]

Try the above Dry on the Fly version of the flex pants. I think you'll really enjoy them

Finally got my hands on some, both the shorts and the pants. I like everything about them except for the thickness of the belt loops. That's a relatively minor detail though, so won't keep me from wearing them by any means.


I really want to try these bu (a) the $80 price tag is off-putting and (b) the sizing skips my ideal waist size of 35".

The DuluthFlex Dry on the Fly models all come in Small, Medium, Large and so on, not the typical pant sizing scheme. They have a small amount of elastic built into the waist.


I'll have to give Duluth another shot. I tried their original firehose pants years ago, but didn't care for the fit at the time.

I tried the original Fire Hose pants first, and hated them--very hot and heavy and certainly not suitable for every day use for me personally. The regular DuluthFlex and the DuluthFlex Dry on the Fly stuff are a good bit lighter in weight, but have still held up very well in my experience.

[Casey]

I tried the original Fire Hose pants first, and hated them--very hot and heavy and certainly not suitable for every day use for me personally. The regular DuluthFlex and the DuluthFlex Dry on the Fly stuff are a good bit lighter in weight, but have still held up very well in my experience.
I picked up a pair of the DuluthFlex Fire Hose (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/work-pants-for-men/45507.aspx?processor=content) and the DuluthFlex Sweatstop Fire Hose (http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/work-pants-for-men/84500.aspx?processor=content) pants. I prefer the pocket arrangement on the former, but both are pretty comfortable.

Finally got a pair of the 5.11 Apex pants—thanks, voodoo—and I have to say they are pretty damn comfy. I still think the Vertx Original pants are cut a little better, but the Apex pants will definitely go into rotation.

[RJ]

My wife picked up two more pairs of these for me at Costco:

http://www.costco.com/.product.100236157.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-ensemblepageVerticalRight-_-PopularProductsInCategory&cm_vc=ensemblepageVerticalRight%7CPopularProductsI nCategory

- $20
- Elasticised waistband
- Zip legs turn into shorts
- Material is a nice 73% cotton / 24% nylon / 3% spandex syntheric blend that gets softer with each wash
- Comes with cheap nylon belt but the good thing is you can remove it and use built in belt loops
- Back pockets have ONE velcro patch closure
- Easy to clip my Benchmade on one pocket and Streamlight on the other
- My JM CK IWB holster clips in strong side just behind the belt loop

I have three pairs of these, in non-operator neckbeard, non-LEO, non-tactical neutral khaki color. They are AWESOME pants for $20.

[Chuck Whitlock]

My wife picked up two more pairs of these for me at Costco:

http://www.costco.com/.product.100236157.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-ensemblepageVerticalRight-_-PopularProductsInCategory&cm_vc=ensemblepageVerticalRight%7CPopularProductsI nCategory

- $20
- Elasticised waistband
- Zip legs turn into shorts
- Material is a nice 73% cotton / 24% nylon / 3% spandex syntheric blend that gets softer with each wash
- Comes with cheap nylon belt but the good thing is you can remove it and use built in belt loops
- Back pockets have ONE velcro patch closure
- Easy to clip my Benchmade on one pocket and Streamlight on the other
- My JM CK IWB holster clips in strong side just behind the belt loop

I have three pairs of these, in non-operator neckbeard, non-LEO, non-tactical neutral khaki color. They are AWESOME pants for $20.

Rich,
How does the waist sizing compare to, say, jeans? With my IWB EDC stuff, I can wear a 38 in relaxed fit, but need to go to a 40 in a straight leg fit in Lee's.

[RJ]

Rich,
How does the waist sizing compare to, say, jeans? With my IWB EDC stuff, I can wear a 38 in relaxed fit, but need to go to a 40 in a straight leg fit in Lee's.

Very close, I'd say. Fwiw, I wear a size 36" pants. These fit pretty well. On these cargo pants, I can insert my JM CK PPS M2 holster (it is not real big, obviously, as holsters go) into my waistband and still put the belt on the same buckle hole.

These ones from Costco, being a elastic waist, will stretch a bit, so maybe that helps.

[Drang]

I have more LAPG pants than I can count, use them pretty much daily when working.

Last Chance - $14.99 LAPG Operator Pants - Ends Tonight! (05/10/2016) (http://enews.lapolicegear.com/q/8bzAfd2XGbBAo3kXSRFWZFYnVBtwfYLCaSPIsPYltMbpuMhQCz IHHOitz)

[Tony Mayer]

Big fan of the Duluth Flex Fire hose shorts and pants. Great cargo pockets, can carry a Glock 26 easily, tough as hell, great customer service. The phone pocket can carry an AR or AK mag if need be. Not the cheapest stuff but the older i get the more I appreciate quality with an extra dose of customer service.

[Surf]

Last Chance - $14.99 LAPG Operator Pants - Ends Tonight! (05/10/2016) (http://enews.lapolicegear.com/q/8bzAfd2XGbBAo3kXSRFWZFYnVBtwfYLCaSPIsPYltMbpuMhQCz IHHOitz)
Thanks my friend, I got the email and I made an order. ;)

[WobblyPossum]

So I contacted Mountain Khakis and explained what happened to my pants. Roz, the customer service rep I dealt with, said the shrinkage was a manufacturing defect that was covered under warranty, even though I purchased the pants through Amazon.com. MK sent me a new pair and did not even want the old, shrunken pair back. I ordered my replacement pair in the next size up because I'm expecting them to shrink again so right now the inseam is a little over 1" too long and the waist is about 0.5" too wide. I haven't washed them yet and will post an update when I do. Wouldn't it be funny if this pair doesn't shrink in the wash and I'm stuck with pants that are too big?

[HCM]

So I contacted Mountain Khakis and explained what happened to my pants. Roz, the customer service rep I dealt with, said the shrinkage was a manufacturing defect that was covered under warranty, even though I purchased the pants through Amazon.com. MK sent me a new pair and did not even want the old, shrunken pair back. I ordered my replacement pair in the next size up because I'm expecting them to shrink again so right now the inseam is a little over 1" too long and the waist is about 0.5" too wide. I haven't washed them yet and will post an update when I do. Wouldn't it be funny if this pair doesn't shrink in the wash and I'm stuck with pants that are too big?

It's God telling you to carry IWB ;-)

[WobblyPossum]

It's God telling you to carry IWB ;-)

Lol I normally carry AIWB. I'm saying the pants are just a tad too big even wearing my gun. What about the inseam? Should I replace my insoles with snubbies? ;-)

[ubervic]

So I contacted Mountain Khakis and explained what happened to my pants. Roz, the customer service rep I dealt with, said the shrinkage was a manufacturing defect that was covered under warranty, even though I purchased the pants through Amazon.com. MK sent me a new pair and did not even want the old, shrunken pair back. I ordered my replacement pair in the next size up because I'm expecting them to shrink again so right now the inseam is a little over 1" too long and the waist is about 0.5" too wide. I haven't washed them yet and will post an update when I do. Wouldn't it be funny if this pair doesn't shrink in the wash and I'm stuck with pants that are too big?

Since you seem to wish to shrink them, wash them in warm water and dry them on high heat. You will likely find that they are perfectly sized-----but be careful thereafter to wash them in cold water and to dry them only in medium heat, or pull them out of the dryer while still damp.

I've wearing a pair of Mountain Khakis as I write this. They still fit well, but they've taken on a very 'worn' look long before I would expect them to.

[El Viajero]

I like a brand called Propper myself.

[Imaposer2]

After finding and reading through this thread a few days ago I ordered one pair of the LAPG Urban Ops pants to try out... Got them last night and tried them on. The fit was perfect in my normal pants size of 30x30. I really like these pants. Enough so that I just placed an order for 5 more pair of the Ops and 4 pair of the Urban Recon pants which are supposedly similar but in a canvas duck fabric rather than the Ops rip stop. I like the articulated knees and gusseted crotch, which gives me freedom of movement without having to be baggy, and the flat profile of the cargo pockets keeps them looking neat and tidy.

I was a little dubious about the elastic in the waistband when I ordered them. But, when I tried them on last night I found that I really liked it. I normally buy 30" waist for IWB carry. I could wear a 29" without a gun. This means that a lot of my pants are a bit large in the waist when I'm not carrying so I have to use a belt at all times and deal with a bit of bunching. With the elastic the pants fit perfect without a belt while still having the give to allow for IWB carry too. Only time will tell how long the elastic will maintain its usefulness, but at least for now they're just right. And when the elastic gives out I'll just be back at where I've always been with other pants anyway.

I think I remember someone mentioning not liking the fact that the LAPG logo was embroidered on, but the sample I received last night just had a logo patch sewn on the lower corner of the right cargo pocket. It came off quickly enough with a seam ripper.

Only time will tell about durability, but at the moment at least I couldn't be happier with these pants. Especially for $18 (after 5% off code)! The Recons are a bit more at $22.99 but I decided to try them out just because of the heavier canvas fabric, thinking they may be a bit more durable as work pants.

[justcor]

Vertex pant and shorts here. Also they fit a J-Frame in the inner cargo pocket perfectly.

[Mirolynmonbro]

I tried a pair of the LAPG Urban recon and I like them a lot.

My favorite pants are still the Columbia Royce Peak and the Royce Peak Cargo. A little more discreet for cargo pants and the fit is more straight/slim

[vcdgrips]

How slim is the fit on the LAPG Urban Ops v. the Urban Recon v. and old school 5.11? I have been on the fence with ordering some LAPG stuff but would like something less baggy in a sub 25.00 pricepoint if poossible.

[ubervic]

After finding and reading through this thread a few days ago I ordered one pair of the LAPG Urban Ops pants to try out... Got them last night and tried them on. The fit was perfect in my normal pants size of 30x30. I really like these pants. Enough so that I just placed an order for 5 more pair of the Ops and 4 pair of the Urban Recon pants which are supposedly similar but in a canvas duck fabric rather than the Ops rip stop. I like the articulated knees and gusseted crotch, which gives me freedom of movement without having to be baggy, and the flat profile of the cargo pockets keeps them looking neat and tidy.

I was a little dubious about the elastic in the waistband when I ordered them. But, when I tried them on last night I found that I really liked it. I normally buy 30" waist for IWB carry. I could wear a 29" without a gun. This means that a lot of my pants are a bit large in the waist when I'm not carrying so I have to use a belt at all times and deal with a bit of bunching. With the elastic the pants fit perfect without a belt while still having the give to allow for IWB carry too. Only time will tell how long the elastic will maintain its usefulness, but at least for now they're just right. And when the elastic gives out I'll just be back at where I've always been with other pants anyway.

I think I remember someone mentioning not liking the fact that the LAPG logo was embroidered on, but the sample I received last night just had a logo patch sewn on the lower corner of the right cargo pocket. It came off quickly enough with a seam ripper.

Only time will tell about durability, but at the moment at least I couldn't be happier with these pants. Especially for $18 (after 5% off code)! The Recons are a bit more at $22.99 but I decided to try them out just because of the heavier canvas fabric, thinking they may be a bit more durable as work pants.

I bet you'll dig the Urban Recon pants. They're cut well, they're comfortable, they are a good cotton weight, and they are not super-uber tactical. (By the way, the first thing i do when taking them out of the packaging is cut off the sewn-on logo.) And for the price, I really don't think you can beat 'em.

[Gray222]

I wore these at a class last week: http://www.blauer.com/tactical-pants-w-stretch-nylon-8823.html

It rained pretty bad for most of the one day and these pants worked awesome, totally dry underneath.

[rob_s]

After finding and reading through this thread a few days ago I ordered one pair of the LAPG Urban Ops pants to try out... Got them last night and tried them on. The fit was perfect in my normal pants size of 30x30. I really like these pants. Enough so that I just placed an order for 5 more pair of the Ops and 4 pair of the Urban Recon pants which are supposedly similar but in a canvas duck fabric rather than the Ops rip stop. I like the articulated knees and gusseted crotch, which gives me freedom of movement without having to be baggy, and the flat profile of the cargo pockets keeps them looking neat and tidy.

I was a little dubious about the elastic in the waistband when I ordered them. But, when I tried them on last night I found that I really liked it. I normally buy 30" waist for IWB carry. I could wear a 29" without a gun. This means that a lot of my pants are a bit large in the waist when I'm not carrying so I have to use a belt at all times and deal with a bit of bunching. With the elastic the pants fit perfect without a belt while still having the give to allow for IWB carry too. Only time will tell how long the elastic will maintain its usefulness, but at least for now they're just right. And when the elastic gives out I'll just be back at where I've always been with other pants anyway.

I think I remember someone mentioning not liking the fact that the LAPG logo was embroidered on, but the sample I received last night just had a logo patch sewn on the lower corner of the right cargo pocket. It came off quickly enough with a seam ripper.

Only time will tell about durability, but at the moment at least I couldn't be happier with these pants. Especially for $18 (after 5% off code)! The Recons are a bit more at $22.99 but I decided to try them out just because of the heavier canvas fabric, thinking they may be a bit more durable as work pants.


I bet you'll dig the Urban Recon pants. They're cut well, they're comfortable, they are a good cotton weight, and they are not super-uber tactical. (By the way, the first thing i do when taking them out of the packaging is cut off the sewn-on logo.) And for the price, I really don't think you can beat 'em.

Maybe it's been posted, but what's the difference, between the ops and the recon? Just the fabric? Which is the lighter and which is the heavier?

As we get into fall here I find myself in need of some around-the-house pants and the price on bot of these is attraactive, but the Florida weather tenses me towards lighter weight.

[rob_s]

Cross-posting a link to here (https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?20603-Magpul-has-a-clothing-line-now&p=534577&viewfull=1#post534577) since I bought the Magpul cargo pants and made some initial comments.

[jeep45238]

I'm going to clarify upfront that I have zero fashion sense and am quite okay with that.

That said: I've replaced my jeans with Vertex light pants. It's a lightweight rip stop fabric, fits me better than jeans and have a ton of mobility - I've ridden my bicycle during daily commutes daily for the last two months with these, and out of laziness wear them to the gym on the way home (I do squats every other day) and haven't had any issues with mobility. The articulated knees make the pants look a size or two too large around the knee area when standing, but have no noticeable folds/pleats.

The cargo pockets have no buttons or other fastening device, and depend on the overlaying layer to form the top of the pocket. This lends itself to not having a piece of tupperware hanging off the side of my pants. Thumbs up on this one, big time.

My favorite feature of these behind the gussetted crotch and articulated knees are the little vertical pockets on the side, located slightly behind and below the front pockets. I keep my flashlight in one, and pocket knife in the other. This frees up real estate on my front pockets, and I don't have anything dragging on my hands when pulling them out of the pocket.

I did snag two pair of grey 'dress' versions, which lack the cargo and vertical pockets, but have the same stitching and the little secured zipper pocket-in-a-pocket. Same feel, slightly less utility, more office-oriented.

All in all, I buy these on sale, and love them. My wife, who is obsessed with fashion, even gives them the thumbs up.

[Cypher]

Everyone has different comfort levels with what and where they carry stuff. As a reference point, I carry a very large cred wallet in my front left pocket, with a small CC and cash wallet in front of it. Skellgel on the outer (inside) edge of the that pocket. Right front pocket holds my S5 in a military otterbox case, Foster jack and a SAK. Right rear pocket holds my TQ, which is an old skool, triangular bandage, wrapped correctly and laying very flat, for immediate use. My left rear pocket is empty most of the time, but will sometimes hold my car keys for short durations, or anything else I need impromptu. My pistol, mags, knife and light are all on my belt.

This setup allows me to use a very wide range of pants, without much issue at all. The carpenter type pants are really nice because I can drop my car keys in there and not have them in my back left pocket. Either way works ok though, and prevents me from needing cargo pockets.

I'm sorry, what is "Skelgell" ?

[Default.mp3]

I'm sorry, what is "Skelgell" ?Hand sanitizer.

[JustOneGun]

My vote too. They wear like iron. I took the Riggs label off the rear pocket and relocated the 3-o'clock belt loop on a few pairs and only wish they offered a few more colors.



TheRiggs look like they are the ticket. They do have straight legs. Do any of you wear high(cowboy) boots with them? I'm afraid the legs won't get over the boot.

[JohnO]

TheRiggs look like they are the ticket. They do have straight legs. Do any of you wear high(cowboy) boots with them? I'm afraid the legs won't get over the boot.

Generous legs. I've gotten them over a pair of Sorel boots in the dead of winter. I don't have or wear cowboy boots but I would guess there is enough room. They have a gussetted crotch as well.

[Cypher]

This is a negative review but I used to work in a facility that required all cotton clothing due to fire hazard, we were issued the 5.11 cotton tactical pants. They weren't bad but they didn't hold up.

My job required a lot of walking and maybe altitude and UVs had something to do with it but the cuffs and the crotch wore out in about 3 months.

It wasn't a big deal when my employer was buying them but I'm not dropping 60 bucks on a pair of pants that's going to wear out in 90 days.

[blues]

New from Depend® For Men...

Tactical Diaper Cargo Pants...Make sure you'll be ready when the $hit hits the fan!


http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tactical-diaper.jpg

[Clusterfrack]

I've got a pair of Warrior pants inbound. They are made by the same dudes who make Origin BJJ kimonos (the best I've found). I'll post again after I get a chance to try them.
http://www.warriorkimonos.com/collections/warrior-tst-tactical-gear/products/warrior-tst-moab-tactical-pants?variant=32285444039

[blues]

This is a negative review but I used to work in a facility that required all cotton clothing due to fire hazard, we were issued the 5.11 cotton tactical pants. They weren't bad but they didn't hold up.

My job required a lot of walking and maybe altitude and UVs had something to do with it but the cuffs and the crotch wore out in about 3 months.

It wasn't a big deal when my employer was buying them but I'm not dropping 60 bucks on a pair of pants that's going to wear out in 90 days.

I haven't had that problem with their cotton canvas pants (and shorts) I own and mine get a fair amount of use working around the property and at the range. That said, when they do wear out I may explore other options. It's just that I started wearing them when they were the original Royal Robbins version, (the old climbing legend), and got pretty attached to them.

[JustOneGun]

New from Depend® For Men...

Tactical Diaper Cargo Pants...Make sure you'll be ready when the $hit hits the fan!


http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tactical-diaper.jpg


Ummmm, Ummm, Ummmm....

Words escape me....

Oh I know...Is that a tactical stance or is it that he simply can't close his legs?

[blues]

Ummmm, Ummm, Ummmm....

Words escape me....

Oh I know...Is that a tactical stance or is it that he simply can't close his legs?

I think he's multitasking...he's preparing to take a leak and remove the threat at the same time.

[JustOneGun]

I think he's multitasking...he's preparing to take a leak and remove the threat at the same time.



Sadly I've been in exactly this person's shoes. A person with too much time and industry reps bringing strange items for us to try... It just calls for a Mad TV photo op.

[JustOneGun]

Generous legs. I've gotten them over a pair of Sorel boots in the dead of winter. I don't have or wear cowboy boots but I would guess there is enough room. They have a gussetted crotch as well.



Thanks I might give them a try next year. I still have two eight year old pair of 5.11 cotton pants that I used at work that are still going strong but are looking a tad bit beat to hell.

[Cypher]

I haven't had that problem with their cotton canvas pants (and shorts) I own and mine get a fair amount of use working around the property and at the range. That said, when they do wear out I may explore other options. It's just that I started wearing them when they were the original Royal Robbins version, (the old climbing legend), and got pretty attached to them.

I think the altitude played a role because the shirts they issued us (5.11 tactical polo) faded real quick too.

[blues]

I think the altitude played a role because the shirts they issued us (5.11 tactical polo) faded real quick too.

Maybe so. We're only at 2500' here. Good to know though.

[Cypher]

Maybe so. We're only at 2500' here. Good to know though.

I'm at 7000. It really does make a difference

[LittleLebowski]

I wear the Riggs Ranger pants, essentially designed for landscapers and such exclusively at work. They are the Riggs pants with cargo pockets. They also have the tactical hammer loop to confuse 'those in the know' into thinking they aren't really tactical. :)

Just bought two more pairs. Are best pants.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DIEYAQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[LittleLebowski]

Just bought two more pairs. Are best pants.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DIEYAQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

A couple things brought this post on....

One, when I was hunting in Wyoming a couple months ago, one of my fellow hunters had also brought these pants. We both have noticed that when they get a hole in them, the hole just stays there, it doesn't open up.

Two, my Vertx pants bought after I bought my first Riggs pants, are falling apart in certain places.

Vertx are good for the office. Wrangler Riggs last.

[JTQ]

Just bought two more pairs. Are best pants.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005DIEYAQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thanks for the link. What are the belt loops like?

I noticed the belt loop arrangement in the video is different from the belt loop arrangement in the pictures.

[Wheeler]

Thanks for the link. What are the belt loops like?

I noticed the belt loop arrangement in the video is different from the belt loop arrangement in the pictures.

I haven’t watched the video so I’m not sure what the difference is you speak of however, I’ve been using these pants for several years at work and the belt loop placement has been consistent.

[blues]

Gonna have to try me a pair. Thanks for the heads up, LL. Do they shrink in the length at all? I'm pretty much between two standard lengths and don't want high waters but don't like the bottoms dragging on the ground either.

[LittleLebowski]

Thanks for the link. What are the belt loops like?

I noticed the belt loop arrangement in the video is different from the belt loop arrangement in the pictures.

Uhh, not wearing a pair at the moment but "not retarded like Vertx, fairly normal" is what my memory tells me.

[LittleLebowski]

Gonna have to try me a pair. Thanks for the heads up, LL. Do they shrink in the length at all? I'm pretty much between two standard lengths and don't want high waters but don't like the bottoms dragging on the ground either.

No, mine haven't shrunk. Pretty heavy duty fabric.

[rob_s]

Riggs done gone tactical!
(https://www.wrangler.com/shop/men-collections-riggs-workwear/wrangler-riggs-workwear-tactical-pant-3w400?variationId=3W400KH)

[JTQ]

I haven’t watched the video so I’m not sure what the difference is you speak of however, I’ve been using these pants for several years at work and the belt loop placement has been consistent.
In the pictures, loops appear to be located at 1, 3, 6, 9, and 11 o'clock positions.

In the video, loops appear to be located at 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 11 o'clock positions.

In other words, the picture shows a single loop in the rear, while the video shows three loops along the back side. I'm not sure either would affect holster positioning very much, but there are several cargo/tactical pants that seem as if they would.

[Casual Friday]

Riggs done gone tactical!
(https://www.wrangler.com/shop/men-collections-riggs-workwear/wrangler-riggs-workwear-tactical-pant-3w400?variationId=3W400KH)

Jesus wept.

[Wheeler]

In the pictures, loops appear to be located at 1, 3, 6, 9, and 11 o'clock positions.

In the video, loops appear to be located at 1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, and 11 o'clock positions.

In other words, the picture shows a single loop in the rear, while the video shows three loops along the back side. I'm not sure either would affect holster positioning very much, but there are several cargo/tactical pants that seem as if they would.

All mine have a single loop in the back.

[blues]

Riggs done gone tactical!
(https://www.wrangler.com/shop/men-collections-riggs-workwear/wrangler-riggs-workwear-tactical-pant-3w400?variationId=3W400KH)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lethalweapon/images/8/83/MartyRiggs1.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140531035837

[leathermaneod]

These aren’t tactical pants, and they don’t have big cargo pockets, but they have lots of pockets, are very lightweight and tough, and are my all time favorite pants.

http://www.carhartt.com/products/Canvas-Work-Dungaree-B151


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[Andy in NH]

Like others have said, a critical requirement for me is the location of the belt loops - especially the first one.
I'm a lefty and carry AIWB so when I'm looking at a pair of cargo pants I use the width of my closed hand to determine if the first belt loop is in the correct place for me or not.

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Also, to ensure the pants will adequately cover and keep my ankle gun (G43) & ankle trauma kit concealed I use the distance of my splayed fingers (~9") to check the cuff.

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So far, both measures work well with the Wrangler cargo pants from Walmart.

[HenryJ]

I have pretty much gone to the LA Police Gear Urban Recon Pant (https://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html). Loops are in the right place for my radio on the belt. Wear is good. Very comfortable. Size is measured from the elastic waist expanded. Very easy to order large enough for IWB carry and still have them fit OWB.

[Clusterfrack]

I have pretty much gone to the LA Police Gear Urban Recon Pant (https://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-urban-recon-pant.html). Loops are in the right place for my radio on the belt. Wear is good. Very comfortable. Size is measured from the elastic waist expanded. Very easy to order large enough for IWB carry and still have them fit OWB.

Just in the process of ordering some more of these pants.

[HenryJ]

Just in the process of ordering some more of these pants.

Discount up to 15% off out for the holiday orders. The everyday 5% usually comes close to covering shipping. I can buy two pair of these for less than one pair of others I have tried. Thus far I have yet to find better durability, comfort, and price.

[Clusterfrack]

One of the things I like about the LAPG Urban Recons is the rise isn't too high. E.g. if 5.11 Tac Lites didn't have such a high rise, I would like them better. The LAPG Urban Recons do get worn pretty quickly at the pockets from my knife and light. FYI, they will shrink a bit in length and waist if you wash them on hot.

[Clusterfrack]

Condor Stealth Operator Pants just arrived. So far, these fit better than anything I've ever tried. The tailoring is awesome, and the fabric is nice and stretchy. I really like the pocketry. Build quality seems solid. I cut the stupid plastic D rings off, and ordered a second pair. Give me some time with them. They may be my pick for best tactical pants.
http://a.co/5najKjG (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CW122BK/)

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[GuanoLoco]

I'm going to clarify upfront that I have zero fashion sense and am quite okay with that.

That said: I've replaced my jeans with Vertex light pants. It's a lightweight rip stop fabric, fits me better than jeans and have a ton of mobility - I've ridden my bicycle during daily commutes daily for the last two months with these, and out of laziness wear them to the gym on the way home (I do squats every other day) and haven't had any issues with mobility. The articulated knees make the pants look a size or two too large around the knee area when standing, but have no noticeable folds/pleats.

The cargo pockets have no buttons or other fastening device, and depend on the overlaying layer to form the top of the pocket. This lends itself to not having a piece of tupperware hanging off the side of my pants. Thumbs up on this one, big time.

My favorite feature of these behind the gussetted crotch and articulated knees are the little vertical pockets on the side, located slightly behind and below the front pockets. I keep my flashlight in one, and pocket knife in the other. This frees up real estate on my front pockets, and I don't have anything dragging on my hands when pulling them out of the pocket.

I did snag two pair of grey 'dress' versions, which lack the cargo and vertical pockets, but have the same stitching and the little secured zipper pocket-in-a-pocket. Same feel, slightly less utility, more office-oriented.

All in all, I buy these on sale, and love them. My wife, who is obsessed with fashion, even gives them the thumbs up.

Thumbs up on the little pockets inside the side pockets. Stong side holds my wallet and weak side holds a PT1L flashlight, Magpul 21 round spare mag and a small cylinder of Sabre Red. Everything stays exactly where I left it and I am largely unaware of it until I need it. The pants are excellet, but the inside pockets I would miss the most.

I prefer the regular weight to the light weights, eevn in Alabama.

[jeep45238]

I’ll have to look at the regular weights when I wear a pair out


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[MVS]

Thanks for the link. What are the belt loops like?

I noticed the belt loop arrangement in the video is different from the belt loop arrangement in the pictures.

Well I just got a pair from Amazon. There are two reasons I won't be getting any more. 1) The fit. They are very baggy in the legs, though I don't wear skinny jeans, I also don't want yards of extra fabric floating around. 2) The belt loops. I can't even wear my normal work belt with them, the buckle won't fit between the front two loops. I had to use my Wilderness Instructor belt.

[Clusterfrack]

Well I just got a pair from Amazon. There are two reasons I won't be getting any more. 1) The fit. They are very baggy in the legs, though I don't wear skinny jeans, I also don't want yards of extra fabric floating around. 2) The belt loops. I can't even wear my normal work belt with them, the buckle won't fit between the the loops. I had to use my Wilderness Instructor belt.

That’s one of the things I’m liking about the Condor Stealth pants: slimmer fit. (They do run large, and I am wearing one size down.)

[OnionsAndDragons]

I'm gonna have to try the Condor if they have a stretch pant.

Apparently squatting 2-4x a week makes my thighs too big for normal pant cuts and I don't like looking like I'm wearing parachute pants.

Eddie Bauer made a run of stretch cargo pants last year that were great but I didn't see them on the site a few weeks ago.


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[RJ]

I'm going to clarify upfront that I have zero fashion sense and am quite okay with that.

That said: I've replaced my jeans with Vertex light pants. ...

Is this the pant you are talking about?

Vertx Men's Phantom LT Tactical Pants, Khaki, 28-30 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TLF53K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_o1goAbJAGPWWZ

[Clusterfrack]

I'm gonna have to try the Condor if they have a stretch pant.

Apparently squatting 2-4x a week makes my thighs too big for normal pant cuts and I don't like looking like I'm wearing parachute pants.

Eddie Bauer made a run of stretch cargo pants last year that were great but I didn't see them on the site a few weeks ago.


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The Stealth are a little stretchy. Might be what you're looking for.

[JSGlock34]

What's the verdict on Magpul's cargo pants (https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-utility-pant)? They seem to be blowing out their 2017 apparel at a solid discount.

[jeep45238]

Is this the pant you are talking about?

Vertx Men's Phantom LT Tactical Pants, Khaki, 28-30 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007TLF53K/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_o1goAbJAGPWWZ

That’s them


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[MGW]

What's the verdict on Magpul's cargo pants (https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-utility-pant)? They seem to be blowing out their 2017 apparel at a solid discount.

Not sure about their cargo pants but I have three pair of these https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-flex-pant for work. They fit true to size in the waist and length. They are a little snug through the thighs. I like that they have a little stretch to them. I would call the material medium weight.

For an all-around everyday replacement for jeans, these https://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-pants/mens-casual-pants/45704.aspx?processor=content have become my favorites. Roomy pockets, a little stretch, heavier more durable fabric without being too hot in the summer. Belt loops are placed well for appendix carry. Fit well through the thighs without looking baggy. My only complaint is the length is a little inconsistent. I have a pair of the brown that are a little too long and a pair of the grey that are just right. Both are 34 length.

[Wheeler]

Well I just got a pair from Amazon. There are two reasons I won't be getting any more. 1) The fit. They are very baggy in the legs, though I don't wear skinny jeans, I also don't want yards of extra fabric floating around. 2) The belt loops. I can't even wear my normal work belt with them, the buckle won't fit between the front two loops. I had to use my Wilderness Instructor belt.

What is different about your regular work belt that it won't fit in the belt loops? I'm pretty big in the thigh region so I never really thought about how they would fit someone with normal sized legs.

[MVS]

What is different about your regular work belt that it won't fit in the belt loops? I'm pretty big in the thigh region so I never really thought about how they would fit someone with normal sized legs.

It is not that the belt won't fit through the loops, The buckle won't fit in between the two front loops because they are spaced so close together. Normal belt. https://www.daltechforce.com/collections/superbio-gun-belts/products/superbio-black

[rob_s]

What's the verdict on Magpul's cargo pants (https://www.magpul.com/products/magpul-utility-pant)? They seem to be blowing out their 2017 apparel at a solid discount.

I bought a pair of the pants and a pair of the shorts. After several wearings and washings I like the shorts, lukewarm on the pants. Among other things the pants are long for the stated length so I have to either roll them up or get them hemmed, which means they don't get worn as much as they otherwise would. Also, for a "tactical" brand, I find the low-rise in the back to be pretty lame. The pants seem to suffer from it more than the shorts, but it's an issue either way.

[dtrice]

I'm a big fan of the offerings from Arborwear. They are a higher performance work pant if there is such a thing. The quality on all their garments is phenomenal and all the pants have a gusset. Basically they are to Carhartt what Vert'x is to 5.11.

I find the best prices on them from prime or occasionally from Bailey's online when they have sales.

The carpenter style pants are tough and have a much nicer cut. Almost like am athletic cut. Also, as a fun added bonus the tool pocket in the right side of most of the pants is basically made to fit a Strider SMF.

Do you know if if Arborwear offers pants with 2" belt loops? Thanks.

[CWM11B]

I have had great luck with Duluth Trading, but like many have commented, they are quite heavy and to hot for summer in the south. I had a vision for the ultimate cargo type pant when working, and lo and behold, these:
https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-coolmax-cargo-pants-62622.html?cgid=mens-pants-work-pants&dwvar_62622_color=BRN#start=32&cgid=mens-pants-work-pants
are damn near it. I spent a lot of time in SWAT and as a full time FI, and found the standard cargo/tactical pant did not quite fit my needs. As a right hander, the right side cargo pocket was pretty much out of play due to my holster type. On the range, I needed pockets more conducive to admin gear. The left side cargo pocket, with two seperate compartments and a three slot pen/marker pocket are great. I purchased two pair and love them. Plenty of stretch, waist expanders, crotch gusset, and cool. I wore them to the range on Thursday, and it was brutally ot and humid. They were plenty comfortable. I loaded the cargo pocket with my cred wallet, note pad, two sharpies in the pen slots as well as a streamlight pen light. The tool strap is a perfect spot to clip a shot timer, which is exactly what I used it for. My phone disappeared into the right thigh pocket, and the watch pocket is deep enough to carry a speed strip (or two). These are my new favorite pant. I'll probably order some more, as it seems whenever I find a product that suits me this well it quickly gets discontinued.

[Wheeler]

Riggs now has a line of Ripstop ‘tactical pants’ that are similar to the TruSpec pants.

[Clusterfrack]

I just tried a pair of HELIKON-TEX Urban Tactical Pants. Outstanding fit. My waist is 32" and the 30" pants fit perfectly. The pocketry is pretty complicated, but I like the layout. There are even a pair of AIWB pouches.

Link: http://a.co/d/7yRfsle

[Clusterfrack]

I just tried a pair of HELIKON-TEX Urban Tactical Pants. Outstanding fit. My waist is 32" and the 30" pants fit perfectly. The pocketry is pretty complicated, but I like the layout. There are even a pair of AIWB pouches.

Link: http://a.co/d/7yRfsle

Update. I now have two pair of these Polish tactical cargo pants and a pair of the shorts.

These are the best pants ever. They fit like they were tailored for me. I just threw away a pair of 5.11 TacLites because I’ll never wear them again. Seriously you have to try Helikon-Tex.

[ubervic]

$77 for a pair of pants? :eek:

I'm way too cheap to buy 'em.

[Maca]

Just received a pair of First Spear centurion pants. Well made and comfortable.

[OldRunner/CSAT Neighbor]

Just received a pair of First Spear centurion pants. Well made and comfortable.

A big FS gear user/believer, can you provide any insight on the pockets, how many & any internal?

[HenryJ]

Found a new winner for my cargo pants FREE SOLDIER Men's Water Resistant Pants Relaxed Fit Tactical Combat Army Cargo with Multi Pocket (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BYYW1HF/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Very durable. Not a stealth pant though. Kinda noisy rubbing and moving about. I can live with it for sure. They are comfortable and move well. These can go days and still look and feel good. Excellent resistance to water and debris.

[Maca]

A big FS gear user/believer, can you provide any insight on the pockets, how many & any internal?

No extra pockets except for a vertical narrow pocket that fits a magazine/flashlight/knife on each side. Great idea but the pocket on the strong side gets covered by an OWB holster so it really isn’t usable when carrying.

Having now used them and washed them, a few concerns...

The belt loops all have extra loose threads that needed to be trimmed. Not a big deal but expected better finish quality from FS.

The FS rubber brand patch on the back fell off in the “low heat” dry cycle. I guess they didn’t test the glue.

I suspect the pants will hold up well over time, but the quality is not on par with TripleAughtDesign which are at a similar price point.

[11B10]

$77 for a pair of pants? :eek:

I'm way too cheap to buy 'em.

This ^^^^ - guess I'll just stick with my Dickies/Walmart $19/pair "tactical" pants.

[rob_s]

Related to cargo pants, cargo shorts...

I’ve been on a quest for my idea, house shorts. Cargo, $25 or less, elastic waist so I can go belt or no belt...

Decided to try the Propper Tactical Shorts (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047FHJIA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) because they seems to check a lot of the boxes. Got one pair of 34” and the waist was too small so sent them back and got the 36”. Tried them on quickly and they seemed fine.
yeah, no.

Cell pocket won’t close on an iPhone X to start with. Then sitting around in them, walking around in them, the cut is just super jacked up. Crotch is cut too low and binds when walking, the waist is elastic but about 4” down from there it cinches when sitting.

So now I’m back to the drawing board, but upping my price cap to $35.

[RevolverRob]

Related to cargo pants, cargo shorts...

I’ve been on a quest for my idea, house shorts. Cargo, $25 or less, elastic waist so I can go belt or no belt...

Decided to try the Propper Tactical Shorts (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047FHJIA/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1) because they seems to check a lot of the boxes. Got one pair of 34” and the waist was too small so sent them back and got the 36”. Tried them on quickly and they seemed fine.
yeah, no.

Cell pocket won’t close on an iPhone X to start with. Then sitting around in them, walking around in them, the cut is just super jacked up. Crotch is cut too low and binds when walking, the waist is elastic but about 4” down from there it cinches when sitting.

So now I’m back to the drawing board, but upping my price cap to $35.

Similar to my experience with Propper Cargo Pants. I'm not sure who they are using for their cuts, but it must be a martian, because the pants don't fit anything like they should. I ordered my default size 36x30, the 36" waist was sized like a 40, and the 30" inseam was closer to a 38" inseam. I tried them on, meant to return them, and then forgot about them and by the time I remembered it was past the return window. So, I ended up cutting 9" off the bottom of the pants to get them to fit properly length wise, but of course the rise and crotch were all wrong, looked like I was wearing a sewn up pair of pajama bottoms.

Similarly, I tried one of Propper's hoodies in an XL and it was sized like a M in the torso and an XXL in the sleeves.

For shorts, I honestly can't find anything I like that is cheap enough. So, I spent the cash on two pairs of Kuhls last year and gave up on trying to find something else. Hmm, maybe I'll try cutting the pants into shorts...that might work better.

[rob_s]

So LA Police Gea had 5.11 taclite pro shorts on sale.
https://lapolicegear.com/511-taclite-pro-shorts.html

Got a 34” and a 36”. 34 fit better even though in many brands, like Levis, I seem to have left the land of the 34. They aren’t perfect (modern cell phone doesn’t fit the small pocket, elastic isn’t as tight as I’d like, material is a little too plastic-y) but for knockaround shorts that are <$35 they’ll do ok.

Funny that I’m back where I started 15+ years ago. Royal Robbins 5.11 were for sure my first “tactical” pants and shorts.

The vertex are probably my favorite that I’ve tried. They look just un-lame enough that I don’t mind leaving the house in them if I need to. The 5.11 and other cargo shorts I have are good for a Home Depot run and not much else. But at the price of the Vertx I don’t really want to wear the for chorin since I’d feel bad getting them munged and don’t want to pay the price to replace them.

[JSGlock34]

I wish Vertx hadn't discontinued the Core line. Better yet, I wish I bought a few pairs when they were on close-out...

[Wake27]

The newly redesigned Arc’teryx xFunctional pants are amazing. I bought the heavier model (SV IIRC) a few months ago and pretty much haven’t stopped wearing them. Obviously I wish they were cheaper, but they’ve completely replaced my Vertx pants and I’ll be buying the standard pair shortly. I had the original xFunctionals and wasn’t a fan of the fit - the new model is a little baggier and significantly more comfortable.


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[rob_s]

Pretty much giving in on this and looking to get another pair of the Vertx Phantom LT 2.0 shorts and possibly a pair or two of the pants. Any good online sources that offer these things at lower prices?

[randyho]

Any good online sources that offer these things at lower prices?
Promo Code "warpoet" provides a solid discount.

[rob_s]

Promo Code "warpoet" provides a solid discount.

much appreciated.

One other question for those that have been wearing them...

The waists seem to be a known issue re: sizing from everywhere I look, and the pair I have are a 36 with no room to IWB when I typically wear a 34.

so the new pair of shorts are easy, I just get the 36, and the pants waist size I'm going to assume will match, but do they have the same issue (running small) in the length as well? In other words, if I usually wear a 32" inseam, should I size up to a 34"?

[randyho]

I'd go longer. Over time, mine have drawn up.