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Guns from this week re-visited
Finished another five-day Gunsite 250 pistol class yesterday with about 900-1000rds each downrange plus 50-75 rds. of frangible in simulators. We had snow on the ground and rain, together that equaled M_U_D.
The students were shooting a Colt Commander .45ACP, two Colt Gov’t .45ACP, Glock 19 Gen 5 9mm, Kimber Gold Match II .45ACP, Les Baer Boss 1911, Ruger LtWt Commander 9mm, Sig 1911 .45ACP, Sig P229 9mm, Sig P320 Legion X5 9mm & RDS, Sig P226 9mm, STI DVC3 9mm & RDS, Wilson Combat Classic 9mm. Wilson Combat EDC X9 9mm, and a Wilson Combat Tactical Elite .45ACP,
Beyond induced stoppages, I saw the odd here & there stoppage on most, if not all, of the pistols. However, two pistols really stood out.
The gentleman shooting the Gen 5 G19 had grip issues that led to numerous unintended magazine ejections, regardless of the effort put in. I did not experience one of these while shooting the pistol.
The EDC X9 had a significant number of stoppages the first two days. A trip to the on-site gunsmith, cleaning, and lube appeared to have handled it - until the night shoot. Take a look at the first photo. The shooter had experienced other stoppages during the evening before that. The stoppage visible in the chamber was what became visible after a vertical failure to eject was cleared. The best description I can give is a Gen 3 G22 internal feed ramp hang-up on top of a nosedive within the magazine. It was cleaned & lubed that night. The daytime photos show other stoppages the next day. The decision was to remove the ShokBuff from the pistol. While no more than a hundred rounds went through the pistol after that, no more stoppages occurred.
This is not the first non-1911 Wilson pistol I have seen perform this way.
As an aside, the instructors were carrying a M&P 2.0 w/thumb safety & a P1 Acro, a M&P 2.0 Compact, and a Springfield XD 5” .45ACP. While we demo’d drills & techniques, none of us shot enough to evaluate reliability other than that our pistols worked every time.
Thank you again for taking the time to post.
I hope the performance of the XD pistols indicates an improvement in production rather than a fluke.
I'd also agree that a student going to Gunsite with a Glock 43 that he or she presumably carries demonstrates a commitment to realistic training.
Really valuable info, appreciate the posts.
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So how would the shock buffer lead to this type of jam? Slide not going back far enough?
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This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of the shok-buff potentially causing more issues than it solved.
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I'm not aware of anyone who relies on their piece for serious business that doesn't toss the shok-buff immediately.
More good info -- thank you, EG.
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