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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    In many of the videos I have seen I note that a large OC fogger unit would have likely been very useful to some of the folks trapped in the interstate highway blockades.
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    Well this seems to be in the news again, with the reports of anti-Trump protests interacting with cars / Trucks.

    Today I'm going to re-read my copy of Mr. Branca's book and remind myself of the five elements of a self-defense justification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hambo View Post
    Great idea, but I prefer the exhaust flamethrower kit: http://www.alpineco.com/accessories/


    LOL - yeah, that flamethrower on the back - and the "riot control plow" on the front should be good enough to get you out of any road warrior situation.

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    LOL - yeah, that flamethrower on the back - and the "riot control plow" on the front should be good enough to get you out of any road warrior situation.
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    Lawful Self-Defense to "Run-Down" Rioters?

    Question for the LEOs:

    Absent observable threat to your safety (pitchforks, bad language, thumping car, etc.) what does the law say about physical avoidable contact with an unyielding pedestrian on a public highway?

    So, you are stationary among a group of demonstrators. One moves in front of your truck.

    You move forward to just shy of the person and stop.

    Do I, or do so not, have reasonable right of way such that I can pull forward into contact?

    I say no. Absent imminent threat, I think the motorist has a duty to attempt to pull back and try a different route.

    Call the police, blow horn, etc. all are ok with me.

    But unless you can define a threat to your person, I'm not sure how you avoid a charge of vehicular assault (I made that up) if you simply run someone down.

    Thoughts?
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    You answered your own question, Rich. "Assault" is never justified. Self-defense is justified when circumstances warrant.

    You must be able to articulate a reasonable basis for your action, such as a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death. Being late for a lunch date is not sufficient. Being put in mortal jeopardy is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_Jenkins View Post
    Do I, or do so not, have reasonable right of way such that I can pull forward into contact?
    You're on the right track.

    Legally no one operating a motor vehicle ever has "right of way". Pedestrians never have "right of way". Trains on tracks crossing roads have right of way, planes landing on airstrips have right of way. When it comes to operating motor vehicles and pedestrians in the roadway, who has right of way gets confused with who has a greater obligation to yield the right of way.

    Regardless of opinion about who has right of way, asserting that belief and deliberately striking a pedestrian or another vehicle when reasonable evasion action can be taken, is a criminal offense.

    Can deliberately running over protesters be justified? Absolutely. Is deliberately running over protesters while asserting some non-nonsensical belief right of way a good way to end up in prison? Absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    You answered your own question, Rich. "Assault" is never justified. Self-defense is justified when circumstances warrant.

    You must be able to articulate a reasonable basis for your action, such as a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm or death. Being late for a lunch date is not sufficient. Being put in mortal jeopardy is.
    Just as an aside, that begs the question of an ambulance with a heart attack victim in the back...

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