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    In the early stages of contemplating retirement, wife and I are trying to balance wanting to live rural with the inevitability of increasing health care needs as we age. It's not a foot stomping exercise demanding economic realities change. It's an exercise in assessing reality and looking for places that can provide a good balance.

    More Medicare funding rarely makes for good long term outcomes.
    “ Investigating staggering differences in how much Medicare spends on patients in various parts of the country, the Dartmouth team has discovered that in Manhattan and Miami, chronically ill Medicare patients receive far more aggressive care than very similar patients in places like Salt Lake City, Utah, and Rochester, Minn. Their research reveals that Medicare beneficiaries in high-cost states are likely to spend twice as many days in the hospital as patients in low-cost states and are far more likely to die in an intensive care unit. The
    odds are higher that patients in high-spending regions will see 10 or more specialists during their final six months of life.

    These facts alone aren't terribly surprising. But here's the stunner: Chronically ill patients who receive the most intensive, aggressive, and expensive treatments fare no better than those who receive more conservative care. In fact, their outcomes are often worse.
    In high-cost regions, "patients with the same disease have higher mortality rates, very likely because of medical errors associated with increased use of acute-care hospitals," Wennberg and colleagues noted in a 2006 study of patients suffering from chronic diseases like cancer or congestive heart failure. As Fisher puts it, "Hospitals can be dangerous places—especially if you don't need to be there."

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    I think the disconnect between the points of view espoused by @TGS and @Baldanders is that TGS is saying "In our current system, X is a financial requirement" and Baldanders is saying "we need to change our system". I'm not sure you guys actually disagree with each other (although I'm certainly not sure you agree on the matter either).

    I think most reasonable people understand that the health system in the US is deeply suboptimal for a variety of reasons.

    My brother-in-law, a pediatrician, was recently lamenting how he gets payed more to do a 3 minute wart treatment than discussing mental health with a patient for 30+ minutes.
    Yeah, we’ve known for a while that above a point, there are negative correlations between spending and patient outcomes. But those incentives are built into the current system. And at the same time we have a substantial portion of the population that struggles to get good basic care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyGBiv View Post
    In the early stages of contemplating retirement, wife and I are trying to balance wanting to live rural with the inevitability of increasing health care needs as we age. It's not a foot stomping exercise demanding economic realities change. It's an exercise in assessing reality and looking for places that can provide a good balance.

    More Medicare funding rarely makes for good long term outcomes.
    The nearest hospital for us is 45 minutes away. A local clinic a few miles away closed last summer for a year due to staffing issues. I think they reopened with fewer services. The next nearest clinic is 14 miles away. This upsets my wife as we're both in our early 70's. It's not a yuge deal for me because everything is a trade off. Living in a city has it's downside also. I've lived in cities about half of my life so I have a good barometer. I suppose a person can retire and spend their time worried about their next heart attack and how long it will take to get to a hospital but that has never concerned me. I worked in road and bridge construction for 30 years which is a fairly high risk occupation.

    With covid running amuck in populated areas, hospitals having to triage people and shortages of services in general, I'm beginning to see a slight advantage to living in a rural area as long as I can maintain the property. I think a lot of other people have come to the same conclusion as I because I see lots of new construction and traffic is becoming an issue even 14 miles from town.
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    In the P-F basket of deplorables.

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    Missouri school board meeting on masks ends with parking lot brawl
    The heated debate continued after the meeting in the school's parking lot


    A tense school board meeting in Missouri on face masks resulted in a brawl in the parking lot of a high school that included "several people" throwing fists, a report said.
    Three people were cited after the altercation, the Kansas City Star reported, citing the Cass County Sheriff’s Office. The paper reported that one man was handcuffed after allegedly confronting a woman who recorded part of the confrontation. The man and two other people received tickets but were not arrested. No injuries were reported, the paper said.

    There was an altercation between a couple of people out front of the school with a lady saying that she’d been harassed or assaulted by somebody else," Maj. Kevin Tieman, a spokesman from the sheriff’s office told the paper. "She said they took her cell phone away from her."

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    Quote Originally Posted by blues View Post
    The glue that holds this society together seems to be nearing or past its expiration date.
    Pogo's dictum has truly come to pass, "we have met the enemy and he is us".
    “Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais

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    The executive director of Jefferson County Public Health, Dr. Dawn Comstock, had to shut down several of mobile vaccine clinics after one driver ran over their sign, others screamed profanities at the vaccine staff and one driver even threw water on a nurse.
    "We've had someone throw live fireworks. We've had someone drive up onto a curb toward a vaccination staff member," Comstock said.
    “Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
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    The executive director of Jefferson County Public Health, Dr. Dawn Comstock, had to shut down several of mobile vaccine clinics after one driver ran over their sign, others screamed profanities at the vaccine staff and one driver even threw water on a nurse.
    "We've had someone throw live fireworks. We've had someone drive up onto a curb toward a vaccination staff member," Comstock said.
    Who knew I'd return home from an overseas tour where terrorists attack vaccination teams, just to see terrorists attack vaccination teams in my own country.
    "Are you ready? Okay. Let's roll."- Last words of Todd Beamer

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    Yup. 6 doesn't sound like a lot but if it's all the beds in the ICU it's still 100%.
    100% is still 100% though. I don't know how misleading that is for the locals inasmuch as once there's No More Room At The Inn then it doesn't matter what brought you here, you die in the waiting room.

    Similar to the premise of the thread. It's not hard to find a lot of increasingly bizarre human behavior. But if we had the internet, twitter, facebook, bespoke echo chambers designed by algorithm to 'maximize engagement', etc back in the unrest of the 60s or the general violence of the 70s and 80s then today would probably look more normal than an outlier. Instead we had three channels and AM/FM radio. So our ability to fixate on the goriest details have always limited by comparison.

    24 hour cable news channels and facebook won't be livestreaming the death of the republic. It's just going to look like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyGBiv View Post
    In the early stages of contemplating retirement, wife and I are trying to balance wanting to live rural with the inevitability of increasing health care needs as we age. It's not a foot stomping exercise demanding economic realities change. It's an exercise in assessing reality and looking for places that can provide a good balance.

    More Medicare funding rarely makes for good long term outcomes.
    My wife and I have had that conversation multiple times regarding moving to a more rural area but, she being a stroke survivor, we are probably better off staying where we are which has its plusses as well as minuses. Her doctors are all here in town.
    Also, nearly any rural property that comes on the market in the area I am most interested in (Patrick and Carroll County, Virginia and Surry County, NC) is being bought sight unseen with no conditions by people on both coasts which is driving the prices up to unheard of levels.

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