I’ve used OC on people coming at me and my dog that wouldn’t stop on command even with a barking police dog at the end of his leash. It’s stopped suspects from being bitten. The last time the suspect went down like a CNS shot.Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's
But I’ve got the dog right there if the OC fails. If my dog bites a suspect in that situation protecting me I can say I tried a lower level of force before the bite.
Just a dog chauffeur that used to hold the dumb end of the leash.
OC (and the Taser) are better employed before the actual assault. Unless the suspect is moving with the speed and agility of a zombie. you're unlikely to get the spray into the eyes or respiratory system. This is especially true with streams and gel-type sprays. If the spray (or Taser) is in hand,you usually should deploy it, but anticipate the suspect getting to you before it takes effect, if it ever does.
I'm a big believer in both weapons system, but they each have limitations.
I suppose the nuance of the question is lost on me.
If someone is actively attempting to harm me, OC is not on my list of options. If someone won't let go of the steering wheel and exit the vehicle, it's an option.
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
Sure. Sometimes it works. Often it doesn't. If I had a furry bite machine at the ready I'd probably also be more willing to roll the dice. I don't though, so if it doesn't work now I get to fight a guy coated in pepper juice while being exposed to it as well. Pass.
Sorta around sometimes for some of your shitty mod needs.
I have used, or been present for, scores of deployments of both OC and taser. Both are roughly a 50-50 proposition. If they work, fantastic -- but expect either to fail and be ready to flow into plan-B seamlessly. And both are indeed best used BEFORE the fight starts.
Have OC'd dogs, it doesn't always work.
Tasing a dog is difficult because it's a small moving Target and you almost need the dog to be on top of you in order to get a decent hit.
Pistol is highly effective on dogs from what ive personally seen and, unfortunately for this particular officer put him in a bad situation.
Shooting a large dog that is attacking you is still the best course of action to immediately neutralize the threat.
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Sorry. I was not attempting to ask a nuanced question.
I was just curious how you viewed the use of OC: for control or for compliance.
Based on the above response I'd say you view it as more of a compliance tool.
From reading through this thread, I find it curious that OC type sprays have such a divided set of opinions on efficacy (for animals and people,) yet are generally regarded as very useful for bears.
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From the earlier descriptions, I had envisioned the woman invisible in tall grass and the dog coming out. That's ... not the case.
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Right? Good enough for an animal that can actually kill you with ease, but inappropriate for a charging beagle. A lot of dogs freak out at even the pshhhh sound of the can.
After viewing the BWC, I stand by my assertion.
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