I think the times on the plates are a bit ambitious, but yeah, neat thought experiment...
Since the HF is up there, it seems to skews it to saving time...
My math was betting 60/7.5 = 8 vs 50/6 = 8.3 & less risk...
I think the times on the plates are a bit ambitious, but yeah, neat thought experiment...
Since the HF is up there, it seems to skews it to saving time...
My math was betting 60/7.5 = 8 vs 50/6 = 8.3 & less risk...
If this was a USPSA Speed Shoot, the reload would need to occur before the 9th
shot and be a per shot procedural penalty until the reload is performed. That would skew the HF calculus.
@Les you still bring up a good point tho, sometimes it’s better to eat the penalty for not doing something.
Disappearing targets are a good example that are scored NPM and no penalty for not engaging them, provided you activated the mechanism prior to the last shot.
However, putting a single Drop Turner out there IMO is dumb and it’s better to put a static target near the DT so it makes more sense (usually) to pick up the DT.
Or not. Sometimes it’s fun to watch people do the calculus in their head during the walk-thru…
great discussion on HF. I don't typically try and figure out a HF when I look at a stage, I only care about time. I've gotten pretty good at estimating how long guys like Eric Grauffel take to shoot stages after shooting in Europe for 6 years in the summer, and I try to push myself based on that. I don't factor in anything other than A's in my planning either, just accept what I get when done. However, sometimes, on a stage where a reload is necessary or required, I've looked at the penalties to see which is the better plan, and sometimes, it's better to take the penalty. A good example that actually worked that a reload was worth it, was a stage I saw from Australia with my buddy Paul. Unloaded start, (Production there like here in Canada and the USA is 10 rounds in the mag), 1 steel, 4 paper and one appearing paper target, 11 rounds required. He decided to not reload for the 11th shot (2nd shot on the appearing target) and take the miss and lack of an A on that target. He shot 10 Alpha in 5.31 with a HF of 7.533. If he did the reload in 1.5 seconds he'd have gotten an 8.0764, he could have even taken 1.80 second reload and come out slightly higher. We spent probably 2 weeks arguing about that on Facebook lol. Risk vs reward, calculating hit factors etc. My position was, shoot the 10 shots, do the reload, and if you land it in a good time, take the 11th shot. If you wobble it, don't shoot. Some argued for doing the reload after hitting the plate/activator (first target most shot), but I argued then you were absolutely risking the stage if you screwed up the reload, doing it at the end had gave you the least risk.
I've watched people walking stages and standing back with calculators or phones calculating HFs and such but just can't bring myself to do that on most stages, it's just a weird way to plan I find.
...and to think today you just have fangs
Rob Engh
BC, Canada
Sometimes, when magazine count permits, doing the 'ol "double reload" makes it worth it... I found this old video of me doing that a match in Oak Park, IL - it worked out that day.
That was one of those stages where you look at the drop-turner (NPMs) and calculate it as a 45pt stage in 8s or a 55 pt stage in 8.5 seconds... You know the HF is going to be low(ish), especially with the table start/empty gun, so getting any additional points is seemingly worth it...
It was handy to guess/estimate the HHFs before shooting - knowing that data just helps determine if you should take the bet or not; if you should push or hold...
I look forward the day when calculations, such as those mentioned above, are actually a real factor in how well I do at a match. I'm not there yet, but "I'm trying Ringo, I'm trying real hard."
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I've been every USPSA classifications: U, D, C, B, A, M, GM.
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I never thought I'd win IDPA Nationals.
I never thought I'd be able to train with Eric Grauffel and have any of it make sense.
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