I talked to a an off duty Mexico City cop earlier this year. He and I were about the same age and had about the same amount of time as cops.
We have it damn good here compared to those guys. Obviously talking about the honest ones.
Those guys can't even carry off duty.
They just killed 13 or 14 officers down in Michoacan within the last week. Mexico has deep cultural problems that even honest LE cannot solve.
My love for Mexico is deep, and I have a special affection/connection to the country. If it were less corrupt and safer, I would live there. Reality is something different.
"Policing is regional".
Just because something is illegal or culturally inappropriate in the US does not make it so to the rest of the world, especially when you're looking at a system that cannot effectively safeguard their prisoners.
It might make a difference on whether I can approve LE/security training and material support, but I wouldn't personally judge them.
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This is totally unsurprising to me, and why I won’t visit Mexico anymore. I have friends who like the cheap resorts and nice weather. Hard pass. I’ll pay extra not to have to vacation in a country run by drug cartels.
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Part of why I'm "America first" is I firmly believe not all cultures and value systems are equal and ours is worth protecting and spreading. It's perfectly acceptable to sell children as "wives" in some parts of the world, too. That doesn't make it something *I* need to find acceptable.
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Sure, I get that. I don't find it morally reprehensible for a government to do kill missions on narco-terrorists, though. I don't think it was wrong to summarily execute Bin Laden, nor would I personally feel a wrong was committed if they killed this dude or other leadership in the cartels instead of taking them prisoner only having just assured their certain death unless they release the prisoner. Were the cops in Dallas wrong to blow up a criminal instead of assuredly wasting their lives to apprehend him? Obviously not. There's no difference in the Grand scheme here....if those cops were to try and maintain custody of that prisoner it would have been guaranteed death, so they opted to simply kill him instead (as is articulable under the US Constitution).
I also think we are afforded many luxuries in our LE system in the USA that are not relevant to some other countries. In the end, the government's interest in maintaining law and order outweighs that person's interests.
FWIW, we also have provisions in the US Constitution to allow the summary execution of prisoners. There's a time and place for it, and applying the standards of domestic policing in the USA to a place like Mexico is irrational, IMO.
Last edited by TGS; 10-19-2019 at 11:11 AM.
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