Inexpensive shotgun

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Apples and oranges comparing a gas shotgun to an AR. Centralizing on the word "gas" to compare the two is like comparing a 1984 Ford Escort to a 2017 Corvette and calling them both "cars." Yes, you can soft-shoulder a Benelli. You can also limp wrist a Glock. Does that mean they are unreliable? No. You just need to understand how to operate them correctly. When evaluating a shotgun, there are more crucial factors to consider than whether or not it will run if fired one-handed (btw, it will if you hold it stiff enough). At the end of the day, a Benelli has a reputation for "just working" whether bird hunting, 3gunning, or gunfighting. If your mission is to prove why that's not a worthwhile reputation for Benelli, have fun on your quest.

ETA: on the 1100 thing, I'm happy yours has worked. I've seen first hand literally dozens that wouldn't run due to either a fouled gas port or failed o-ring.

I am attempting to learn here. Why is the gas system not comparable between an AR and a shotgun. I had plenty of luck with my 1100. I did keep it cleaned and lubed. I have to admit most of those rounds were single shot then reload rounds.

[ASH556]

Rifle pressure is higher than shotgun pressure, thus more self-cleaning of the gas system occurs. In my experience, riffle ammo tends to be cleaner than shotgun ammo as well. Thus, gas ports in a shotgun are much more susceptible to fouling than those in an AR. That is why saying, "an AR is gas-operated and reliable, therefore a gas-operated shotgun should be equally reliable" is not correct. Most anything will be reliable with proper maintenance. What we tend to focus on with weapons reliability is how well they function without proper cleaning and maintenance. Fundamentally, an inertia-driven shotgun is more tolerannt of lacking cleaning and maintenance than a gas-driven shotgun. That's pretty close that to what I initially posted in this thread as an answer to a question about reliability when dirty.

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Rifle pressure is higher than shotgun pressure, thus more self-cleaning of the gas system occurs. In my experience, riffle ammo tends to be cleaner than shotgun ammo as well. Thus, gas ports in a shotgun are much more susceptible to fouling than those in an AR. That is why saying, "an AR is gas-operated and reliable, therefore a gas-operated shotgun should be equally reliable" is not correct. Most anything will be reliable with proper maintenance. What we tend to focus on with weapons reliability is how well they function without proper cleaning and maintenance. Fundamentally, an inertia-driven shotgun is more tolerannt of lacking cleaning and maintenance than a gas-driven shotgun. That's pretty close that to what I initially posted in this thread as an answer to a question about reliability when dirty.

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That's pretty well put. I never understood the lack of love for the 1100. The prices used are pretty cheap. I have an 1100 and an 870 set up as HD guns but they are both cleaned and lubed. I need to contact Remington and see if there is an optimal spring for full power loads.
So what is the definition of "soft shouldered" ? It seems to me if a RDS is recommended for shooting from compromised positions with an AR then the requirement for a shotgun to be able to be fired from compromised positions would be just as important.

[Gadfly]

I have an old 1100 and a Browning 2000. Neither is set up as an HD gun. But, over the years of hunting, skeet, sporting clays and such... the 1100 has been more reliable by far.


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[Unobtanium]

Rifle pressure is higher than shotgun pressure, thus more self-cleaning of the gas system occurs. In my experience, riffle ammo tends to be cleaner than shotgun ammo as well. Thus, gas ports in a shotgun are much more susceptible to fouling than those in an AR. That is why saying, "an AR is gas-operated and reliable, therefore a gas-operated shotgun should be equally reliable" is not correct. Most anything will be reliable with proper maintenance. What we tend to focus on with weapons reliability is how well they function without proper cleaning and maintenance. Fundamentally, an inertia-driven shotgun is more tolerannt of lacking cleaning and maintenance than a gas-driven shotgun. That's pretty close that to what I initially posted in this thread as an answer to a question about reliability when dirty.

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I will say the system on my M4's (Benelli) actually DOES "self-clean" (far less carbon/fouling build-up than any DI AR, OR piston AR). They just run and run and run and run. I know that the price-point is not what belongs in this thread, but I'm just saying that not all gas systems are the same on shotguns.

[peterb]

...As long as the gas system remains unobstructed. It's a trade off of odds playing. Which do you see as a more likely scenario:

1. The need to fire a shotgun one-handed.
2. The need for the shotgun to work for an extended period of time with no maintenance to the gas system.

For typical home defense use, both are unlikely.
The most likely scenario is that it goes to the range once or twice, gets cleaned, and is stored in a relatively clean indoor environment. If needed, it will be asked to fire one magazine or less.

[TCinVA]

To give some idea of the kind of gunk the 391 XTrema I mentioned earlier was still working with:





My Berettas are never going to look like that, so im not worried.

[Rich@CCC]

To give some idea of the kind of gunk the 391 XTrema I mentioned earlier was still working with:





My Berettas are never going to look like that, so im not worried.

Wow! That's nasty.

That looks worse than the Savage 720 did when I bought it(BTW, it shot and loaded just fine but the rings were worn and I could not slow it down for magnums or make it single shot for target loads) and it had probably never been cleaned in 30 years!

[Unobtanium]

Wow! That's nasty.

That looks worse than the Savage 720 did when I bought it(BTW, it shot and loaded just fine but the rings were worn and I could not slow it down for magnums or make it single shot for target loads) and it had probably never been cleaned in 30 years!

Still no reason not to fire/cycle. Friend of mine ran around 10K rounds through his Benelli M4. Just added CLP when/if he felt it was getting sluggish with birdshot. It never stopped, he just decided to clean it at around that time.

[TCinVA]

Looks like they go as low as $229. I have a serious case of the wants.

Do it.

Do it now.

Do it before I buy one.

Dear god, man, save me from myself.

Still no reason not to fire/cycle. Friend of mine ran around 10K rounds through his Benelli M4. Just added CLP when/if he felt it was getting sluggish with birdshot. It never stopped, he just decided to clean it at around that time.

The M4 is a tank. To paraphrase Tom Givens, it's the only true military grade shotgun ever made. It's a damn good gun...but I snagged 2 1301's for less than the cost of one M4.