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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    I'm teaching a class in SLC next year on this subject.
    Interested. If it's open enrollment, please share the details.

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    I've got it posted on Eventbrite, still updating my Agile site calendar.

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    Didn't mean to hijack the thread.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    I've got it posted on Eventbrite, still updating my Agile site calendar.

    https://www.eventbrite.com/o/agile-t...rd-17832902580

    Didn't mean to hijack the thread.



    For study material, Ken Good's book, now an ebook, is THE manual on the subject;
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    Hijack away. That's exactly what I was after! Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Haggard View Post
    I've got it posted on Eventbrite, still updating my Agile site calendar.

    https://www.eventbrite.com/o/agile-t...rd-17832902580
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    Quote Originally Posted by cornstalker View Post
    I want to learn more about the use of handheld and WML's in a civilian defensive role. Where would be a good place to start?

    My only exposure so far has been the Ballistic Radio episode about handheld lights with @Chuck Haggard and a Panteo video I watched over a year ago.
    Within the context of unarmed combatives, what role are you anticipating the light to play?
    Last edited by Paul Sharp; 07-07-2019 at 08:32 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Sharp View Post
    Within the context of unarmed combatives, what role are you anticipating the light to play?
    I want to learn how to properly use the light for dissuasion, striking, leverage, incapacitation through blinding. How and when to blip .vs full on torch someone. How can you screw yourself with poor technique using the light and how to avoid it. Why in the hell is there a strobe feature on so many lights today?

    As far as a WML, obviously that is not for use in the context of unarmed combatives. My focus is more on the light than the gun, and I guess I lumped the use of illumination techniques together on that one. Craig mentioned that discussion on the use of a firearm in entanglement was welcomed here and I guess I took some liberty in assuming the use of a WML might fall into this forum as well. Perhaps inappropriately so on both counts.

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    Low light, or flashlight training can be rather dogmatic. Always do this, never do that, or you are gonna git killed on da streetz... take as many classes as you can, and Chuck is on my list of instructors, then apply common sense and figure out what works for you. I am one of those cops that is going to be killed on da streetz by using light switches on many of my building searches. I also go to work with about 5 flashlights, handheld and weapons mounted. Kubaton, yawara, and baton techniques work, depending on the size of your light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornstalker View Post
    I want to learn how to properly use the light for dissuasion, striking, leverage, incapacitation through blinding. How and when to blip .vs full on torch someone.
    My limited experience hitting people with handhelds is full size mag lights, and 6p sized surefire lights. The smaller handhelds worked great as an intensified choke when used as part of an Ezekiel choke from S-Mount. Knocked dude completely unconscious in less than 3 seconds. As a striking implement I’ve used it as a fist load with the bezel down hammer fist style. I struck several people in the sternum hammer fist style with the bezel being the point of impact. Very effective. I would strongly recommend against strikes to the head with the bezel in this manner as it opens up a smiley face shaped cut that is very deep, and bleeds heavily. It’s also leaves a divot in their skull. If you do strike them on the head with the light make sure it’s a situation where lethal force is good to go.

    For training purposes I simply I included the light into my training sessions while rolling after hours with some friends. It took about 5 minutes to figure out how to use the light to enhance chokes, escapes, and strikes.

    I’m not a fan of blipping people in the eyes. Well, let’s say sober people. Drunk dudes, homeless guys, and that type of unknown contact respond well to getting blipped or strobed. Sober, or almost sober people aren’t as affected.
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    Thanks for sharing, Paul. Good to see you around these parts again.
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    I'm trying to visualize an Ezekiel choke with a light but I'm coming up short here...I only know the one where I grab my own sleeve.

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