I am friends with a guy who did this. Not on purpose, but the guy was about to pull it on two other officers.Originally Posted by Clusterfrack
Or just shoot the gun out of his hands.
Shot the dudes trigger finger off. Even the suspect told the officer "good shot".
Last edited by TheNewbie; 01-02-2020 at 08:22 PM.
In terms of Monday morning quarterbacking, while I would expect if from the left, I am surprised how much is coming from gun folks. The suggestion that Mr Wilson was too slow, and that cost lives, strikes me as armchair quarterbacking in the extreme. Also have read that he should have shot for the chest and his shot was obviously a miss that lucked into the head. My view is that most people in that church are very fortunate he was there.
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https://youtu.be/kciJclao2TM
“You have to practice, continuously practice, to be able to hit the target put in front of you.”
Practice well my friends. Continuously practice.
Last edited by medmo; 01-02-2020 at 11:08 PM.
As the saying goes “the harder I practice, the luckier I get.”
Definitely can be applied to many facets of life.
I don't think it is reasonable to expect all pistol owners to be able to make an on demand headshot at 12 yards under that kind of stress, but I think anybody ought to have a <2.5sec draw from concealment after 1 day of holster practice. Had Mr. Wilson been able to combine his marksmanship with a competent draw, he may well have saved another life.
That isn't assigning blame, but it is valuable to know that fractions of a second = lives in a mass shooting, especially when so few ranges allow drawing from the holster. According to that video interview (12:00-12:35), Mr. Wilson even said he teaches his students to pick up their guns from a table and shoot.
He said that he aimed for the head because parishioners did not get down fast enough. The video backs him up:Also have read that he should have shot for the chest and his shot was obviously a miss that lucked into the head.
Wilson's shot breaking (note at least 2 parishioners still sitting upright between Wilson & the perp):
Last edited by 0ddl0t; 01-03-2020 at 01:45 AM.
Wilson is a hero, a good shot, and seems to be a very nice guy. That said, this event has many lessons and respectfully analyzing the actions of all involved isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Are you suggesting his draw was slow, if kitted up on the range, and responding to a timer, or in this situation, where you has to go from zero to taking a life, shooting over parishioners and the consequences of being early or wrong would be live-streamed, making you a nationwide pariah?I don't think it is reasonable to expect all pistol owners to be able to make an on demand headshot at 12 yards under that kind of stress, but I think anybody ought to have a <2.5sec draw from concealment after 1 day of holster practice. Had Mr. Wilson been able to combine his marksmanship with a competent draw, he may well have saved another life.
That isn't assigning blame, but it is valuable to know that fractions of a second = lives in a mass shooting, especially when so few ranges allow drawing from the holster. According to that video interview (12:00-12:35), Mr. Wilson even said he teaches his students to pick up their guns from a table and shoot.
He said that he aimed for the head because parishioners did not get down fast enough. The video backs him up:
Wilson's shot breaking (note at least 2 parishioners still sitting upright between Wilson & the perp):
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Any way you slice it, his draw was slow.
Predraw:
Head lifts slightly & arm moves for gun:
Still clearing/drawing after 1 second:
Perp's 1st shot, about 2 seconds after Wilson's initial physical reaction.
Perp's 2nd shot, nearly 3 seconds after Wilson's initial physical reaction. Wilson is just now joining his hands to present:
Gun finally being presented after 3+ seconds.
It is not as if he had a 2.5 second draw and then spent another 2 seconds deciding whether to shoot. In fact, once he finally got the gun to eye level, he didn't waste much time making a very difficult shot so I don't see this as a shoot/no shoot decision delay. It is just an unpracticed 3+ second draw to eye level (~3.75 seconds to shot) - and that's not counting the initial reaction time before his arm began moving to his gun (at least another 1/4 second).
It looks to me like a guy who never practiced drawing from a concealed holster, but who still spent a lot of time on the range practicing acquiring the sights from a low ready (or, as it turns out from his interview, a table pickup).
Last edited by 0ddl0t; 01-03-2020 at 10:54 AM.
Lots of tactical virtue signaling going on. Of course, all folks who walk around in Condition Orange, would have blah, blah, blah. I'm with GJM. A two second draw from already being prepped for a signal, with a known target, etc. is not the same as this situation in terms of information processing, perception and reaction time. Getting a sight picture and making a difficult shot (including figuring out that this was the best option) - all takes time. It was in fact impressive that he did that.
Folks were more positive on George Zimmerman's draw stroke. That's sarcasm.
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