I think this will get worse before it gets better.
I'm sure Monday will be entertaining for those of us in the cheap seats.
I think this will get worse before it gets better.
I'm sure Monday will be entertaining for those of us in the cheap seats.
Last edited by RHINOWSO; 08-10-2017 at 05:24 PM.
I guess the HPD is just a bunch a trolling, click baiting, trolls just like the NRA claims.Originally Posted by oldtexan
Every replaced pistol is one the Officer has to be pulled from the streets for a requalification shoot. Ammo is cheap compared to the time.
Just a dog chauffeur that used to hold the dumb end of the leash.
No hate. It's not uncommon for people to get all up into a firearm approved by DOD. Especially when you couple that with how the contract was approved supposedly before the testing was complete. That sends red flags up.
This thing turned into a shit show, not because Sig had an issue make it out into the wild. It got turned into a shit show by how Sig and some SME handled themselves once the fault hit the light of day. Had Sig gone the Ruger route and simply stated that wow we passed all the industry standard tests, but holy cow the AD isn't a good thing. We will need to do some internal evals and see what's up. Instead they chose to be weasley about it and claimed it wasn't an issue at all. Oddly they have a fix for it. Hmmmmmm more red flags.
This is going to be a classic example of how NOT to handle a product issue.
Sadly, I think this is also going to result in excuses for more safety regulations of the firearms industry. Proof that they aren't self policing, so we need busy body beurocrats involved.
I don't own a P320 and at this point, likely never will. It has become a matter of trust and corporate integrity. First, Sig says there's no problem to see here (...move along). And then when the problem becomes self-evident and easily demonstrated, even by the most unsophisticated YouTubers, Sig suddenly announces: "Oh wait.... we've got a solution that's readily available."
Not sure I trust their solution, especially if it's mainly contingent upon shaving off a few grams of trigger weight (mass; not pull weight). Every first year engr student knows the old, F=MA from their basic physics and while you might be able to positively influence the drop firing issue by trimming a few grams of weight, you may not still allow for enough safety margin in controlling the acceleration, in conditions other than just a free fall (g) drop. Seems like to me, Sig will have to do more than just make the trigger lighter weight. If Sig is to come out of this with any part of their reputation left intact, they will now have to 'overkill' the drop fire issue! (IMHO - YMMV).
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Last edited by busykngt; 08-10-2017 at 05:50 PM.
Bruce's statement in tone and substance strikes me as indistinguishable from Sig's various statements. I don't view that as a good thing.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
I was wondering the same thing as MSparks. What recourse does a Law Enforcement Agency who purchased the P320 and now doesn't want them have? I know next to nothing about contract law and less about LEO equipment procurement, but does the one Officer town to ICE have a short term option that doesn't depend on a surely drawn out court finding?
Last edited by EricP; 08-10-2017 at 05:59 PM.
dear Sig: contact Ruger. find out how they address problems that crop up. do that.
in this case, that is likely going to look like this: on monday, the 14th, you announce a P320 recall. replace/repair relevant parts, send guns back to owners as quickly as you can, and toss in some swag as a thank you for being a Sig customer. extra mags, ammo, clothing, whatever.
the problem is less the safety of your pistols than the perception that you don't care about your customers.
no charge for this free advice.
Well damn...
He almost had it. Almost.
Yeah, the DFMEA (Design Failure Mode Effects Analysis) did not capture this failure mode.
I cannot hang you for that. It was a shot across the bow for ALL striker-fired pistol manufacturers.
I would have accepted that as an engineer.
But to call others "trolls"? Yeah, some Cerebral Abbreviates are making light of your plight but WHY address them?
You make it appear that you consider "trolls" to be anyone who called you on your broad, sweeping allegations and properly smelled the lie from SIG USA on this.
I want to think higher of you, Bruce, but you're making it very difficult and the quality of your work makes this unpalatable.
I understand your personal relationship with SIG but it would be far better for you - perhaps not financially so - to shut your mouth if all you can do is obfuscate and resort to ad hominem.
This entire spectacle has grown into mass fuckery. You have yourself and SIG's "illustrious" management to blame. I'd expect greater command of the English language as well.
I currently do not have a SIG pistol. I've enjoyed the P226 Navy pistols - tack drivers and very smooth in their own right - but those were set free some time ago. I don't see myself ever owning another. Y'all (Cohen, et als) have soured me to the brand - a brand I once considered "a bookend of the pistol industry".
No more.
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From what little I know about this "modular" system, I don't see how Sig is going to fix this problem without expending the labor necessary to take apart (at least, partially disassemble) the FCU. At this point, their reputation can't afford a half-zzz solution.
PS - For the sake of the chief P320 engineer / designer, I hope he got his retirement 'locked in' before all this SHTF happened!
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Last edited by busykngt; 08-10-2017 at 06:22 PM.
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