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    Quote Originally Posted by SLG View Post
    Really? That is a precision rifle, that some people hunt with, but most hunters shouldn't be taking far shots, and most hunters prefer (sensibly, imo) to carry less weight.
    But it's fun, you know just go sit somewhere off a water hole and spend some time blasting hogs.
    Sometimes I head out find a bigass hill wander up it and "hunt" termite mounds. There's heaps of them and they make little red dust clouds when you hit them.
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    Sent by PM.....In this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....-answer/page42 you commented how easy it is for a shotgun to have an unintentional discharge. Could you please clarify this statement in the thread.

    ETA Sent another email.... Up dated to give you the exact post post 405


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    He's a member here (LGChris). Send him a PM.
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    In the video he said if it was leaning against the wall in a closet and fell over it could discharge. He also said if it was dropped. I am by no means a shotgun expert but I really need to see this to believe it.

    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    I saw the aftermath of a load of buckshot going through the roof and light bar of a USBP Bronco years ago after an 870 was left in the rack with a round chambered. The claim was it went off by itself during rough off-roading. I have no idea if was an actual slam fire or if something actually got into the trigger guard.

    I have seen a slam fire in an M-4 demo'ed at an armorers course. The instructor chambered a primed case and was able to get it to fire via a hard impact to the butt stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    In the video he said if it was leaning against the wall in a closet and fell over it could discharge. He also said if it was dropped. I am by no means a shotgun expert but I really need to see this to believe it.
    I don't know about just falling over. My understanding is dropped / struck on the muzzle or butt stock is far more likely due to inertia. Ammo / primer sensitivity is likely a factor as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    Sent by PM.....In this thread https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....-answer/page42 you commented how easy it is for a shotgun to have an unintentional discharge. Could you please clarify this statement in the thread.

    Brian, Please do not post page numbers , use the Permalink with the # Number to the right of the post
    Some of us use different page lengths then others.


    If you google "remington 870 drop safe" you will see videos and eye witness accounts to the fact that the
    shotgun can fire if sufficiently Jarred There have been numerous lawsuits over this (I believe the all went nowhere)
    including a guy who had an upgrade to make it drop safe and he tried to force remington to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    In the video he said if it was leaning against the wall in a closet and fell over it could discharge. He also said if it was dropped. I am by no means a shotgun expert but I really need to see this to believe it.

    Brian, this image may help. The sear goes in the notch on the 870 you can see the old style hammer had a small notch and it was easy to jar the sear loose. Newer hammers have a deeper notch but in any event all 870's saftey only blocks the trigger it does not prevent the hammer from falling or the sear from disengaging.



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    is falling over in a closet sufficiently jarred? just emailed again...Up dated to give you the exact post post 405
    Quote Originally Posted by nycnoob View Post
    Brian, Please do not post page numbers , use the Permalink with the # Number to the right of the post
    Some of us use different page lengths then others.


    If you google "remington 870 drop safe" you will see videos and eye witness accounts to the fact that the
    shotgun can fire if sufficiently Jarred There have been numerous lawsuits over this (I believe the all went nowhere)
    including a guy who had an upgrade to make it drop safe and he tried to force remington to use it.
    Last edited by UNK; 07-16-2016 at 09:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    is falling over in a closet sufficiently jarred?
    I was not there for any of these incendents, but they are consistent with what gun instructors have told me.
    Perhaps someone in LE could chime in. I am sure there have been formal investigations of these sort of accidents.

    http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/...ent-discharges


    Yerger had returned to his truck after dove hunting alone near his home. He says he leaned his shotgun--a Remington Sportsman 12--against the wheel well, with the safety on. As he tossed his gear into the back, the gun fell over and went off.

    He insists his hands were “nowhere near the trigger,” yet the gun fired anyway. His understanding had always been that a gun is not supposed to fire without the trigger being pulled.


    https://www.gunandgame.com/threads/r...ropped.161731/

    Called my fishing buddy this evening and asked him if he wanted to do some skeet shooting. He said yeah so we met out at the farm and when he got out of his truck it looked like he had seen a ghost. I asked him if he was sick or something. Then he told me that when he picked up his 870 along with a few boxes of shells to get ready to leave he accidentally dropped his 870 when the barrel slipped from his hand. He keeps it loaded with Winchester PDX1 slug/00 buck shells, but he only loads the tube mag, not the chamber. He must have chambered a round at some point and not realized it I reckon. The gun landed butt first, and discharged.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-742138.html

    A coworker asked me today if a shotgun could fire if dropped while loaded? She said a friend was duck hunting and his partner dropped his loaded shotgun and it fired hitting the friend in the neck. The friend survived so that's good news.

    http://www.thestar.com.my/news/natio...uard-drops-it/

    A security guard’s pump gun went off after he allegedly dropped the weapon, causing workers nearby to hide as they thought there was a robbery.

    http://www.kshb.com/news/crime/sever...in-kansas-city

    Several people were injured late Sunday afternoon when police say a man carrying a shotgun dropped it and it went off.
    Last edited by nycnoob; 07-16-2016 at 10:01 PM.

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    Wow disturbing. I had no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianB View Post
    Up dated to give you the exact post post 405
    If I was not clear I demonstrate the use of the post link

    https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....l=1#post472869

    Every post hast one in the upper right corner with a '#' on it.

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