I think more choices are a good thing, but the 365 family has become the Glock 19 of slimline pistols, in terms of accessories support (OEM and after market), shootability, and reliability.
I think more choices are a good thing, but the 365 family has become the Glock 19 of slimline pistols, in terms of accessories support (OEM and after market), shootability, and reliability.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
I got a Rost Martin for amusement
Linked is trigger break and reset. Size vs a p365xl macro chop and weight before and after cramming backstrap full of tungsten putty
https://imgur.com/a/6IZLMer
Will be shooting this next week. In hand feel great, prefer it to a g48 or g43x or cr920 (before shooting it)
Will not replace a p365 for me but got bored only shooting p365
The thing that keeps me away from the 365 line is that there is currently not a SCD available for it. Yes, it is available with a manual safety. But in my handling of a P365, the safety design ergonomics are not great. And I'm not willing at the current time to upgrade my software to incorporate manual safety use into a carry gun.
Someone needs to compare the Rogue barrel/comp system he’s raving about for accuracy. It may be a budget option (wrt the PMM comp) and allow Macro users to keep the factory 3.7 slides.
@GJM !!
Opening salvo: IF I knew I was going to gun fight, I'd stay home. IF I had to go, I'd bring a rifle... with friends... who have rifles.
Being a retired bum, living in the relatively quiet social atmosphere of flyover country, i.e., the sticks, I think I'll stick with my current choice for carry, a G17.
Since I don't work, I can pretty much choose where I go. Hence no need for deep concealment and tiny guns. Street crime is a very, very rare event here. My primary concern, as remote as the odds are, are whack job mass killers, either the domestic or imported fundamentalist types. I want a bigger gun with more ammo. IF I ever have to engage, (and that's a big IF) odds are it will be at longer distances than typical defensive scenarios. That's my take.
I can conceal a G17 under an unbuttoned shirt relatively well. Typical geezer fashion statement.
In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
Agreed. I recently re-acquired a G19 as a "just in case" pistol for my closet, since (a) in the event of a REAL emergency, I'd rather have the extra shootability and slight increase in capacity, and (b) it's the only pistol my wife ever "took" to (besides a 9mm 1911). BUT, it sits in a light-equipped ALS holster on a "battle belt" with several extra mags, and doesn't get "carried." Conversely, I'm about 45-50% hit rate on IPSC steel at 100 yards with my iron-sighted P365, and about 80-90% with a dot-equipped XL. I'll take that performance reduction, given the dramatic improvement in "carry" convenience the smaller pistols give.
Just seems like the M&P and Shield Plus are just like the last kid that gets picked for the dodgeball team, maybe that is why I identify with them?
I shoot one of my M&Ps almost every week. In the past I had Shields in all three cartridges (not at the same time) but it seemed like they got shot and carried very little, I either had the M&P Compact or a J-frame. But I decided to try the Shield Plus and am very glad I did, I am very pleased with how well I can hit with it, and how much easier it is to pack. I carry it with the 10rnd mag (with a Pearce pinky perch) in a JMCK IWB-3 (I think I have one for every pistol I own?...) and have a 15rnd spare mag (in a JMCK AIWB), and what a great combination. I think all of these pistols are just big enough to be very capable of getting good hits.
When I decided to get a slimline I just bought the S&W, at this point I am probably just the M&P Guy, they are the only striker guns I have (oops, I still have one Kahr). I am tempted by the 365, with the easy ability to create a long barrel-short grip combo I prefer. I did briefly own one I won in a raffle, but the timing was wrong and I sold it (rather than spending another couple hundred to accessorize the free pistol...) to help fund my direct milled M&P with the SRO. At this point I will probably take a Shield Plus (have two, so far) and maybe add a comp. Or get one of the 4in guns. Or both, I really like the things.
I have not tried one with a RDO, sounds like I will someday but sooooo many projects to fund (I recently dove back into defensive shotguns. With optics...).
I am not all that large, and I think pant pockets are scaled accordingly, and I do little pocket carry, mostly when doing some kind of home improvement wearing a overall or coverall with no belt and I need to run to the big box (pro tip: start every home improvement project with a full tank of gas). But every morning starts with me out behind the house (no fence, wooded area) with the dogs and the SP rides in the coverall or coat pocket better than the 4in Compact did.
ETA: Also seems like the Shield Plus is typically a bargain, though the 365 is not as much more as it used to be. Goofy logic but part of the reason I sold the 365 is because of all of the money I wanted to spend on the thing. I would have replaced the grip frame with a Wilson and changed all of the magazines to mesh with the larger grip frame, and it added up.
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