I have tried red dots half a dozen different times on four different platforms and I cannot get them to conceal on my frame in the appendix position. It takes a gun that disappears on me to one that I cannot conceal at all (I've tried the carry sized optics as well). The right side of the optic always prints unless I'm standing in the absolute perfect posture, it'll print.
Using good JM holsters that otherwise make the gun disappear, add a dot and i look like i have a pointy belly button. I've decided they just aren't in the cards for me right now. If I can't conceal them, there isn't a point. I carry a p2000 year round, and have concealed a handgun for over 11 years now.
Anyone else have this issue?