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Aaron Cowan just excoriated this pistol on his Patreon-only review feed. Absolutely slagged the thing. 200 malfunctions over 500 rounds with a large variety of ammo and mags. All the mags worked fine in his other XX11 pistols.
I originally posted longer… I’m glad I don’t pay him for 200 malfunctions in 500 rounds….Originally Posted by Archer1440
Why do that?
Why not diagnose? Fix? Improve?
It’s a waste of money and time… not on his part, because he’s making money on the video. Everyone who watches it who doesn’t get an answer funds 500 rounds of ballistic masturbation on gunpornhub.com.
He’s gonna say Springfield should have made it right. Maybe, but he’s not helping and he’s making money not helping.
Last edited by SoCalDep; 02-18-2023 at 01:11 AM.
My takeaway was he felt the thing should work out of the box without needing extra work by a gunsmith, at the price point it comes in.
Not an unreasonable point of view in my opinion.
It should work, but compared to what?
First, we know it’s under-sprung. I knew it was going to be undersprung before the first one was commercially sold because they’ve been doing that for years. Aaron didn’t need to shoot 500 rounds to figure that out… he could have read PF almost six months ago. 200 malfs in 500 rounds to reiterate what we’ve known for a really long time doesn’t impress me as anything but trying to get views.
Second, anyone with decent experience with the 1911 platform knows that a reliable gun “out of the box” is far from guaranteed at price points well higher than the Prodigy. Staccato has done a great job of trying to solve the reliability issue but we have had many that have had to go back… at double the cost of the Prodigy. I had to send a $3,000 semi-custom 1911 back. Joe Chambers does a good job on his patrion “1911 University” of evaluating various expensive and inexpensive 1911/2011-style pistols and very expensive ones often don’t “measure up”.
So the “it should work out of the box” stuff is old news and indicative of Glock and M&P users who are unfamiliar with what a 1911 is and has been. Would I like to see Springfield make it right from the beginning? Of course. At the same time, when one looks at the cost in comparison to like guns would I want to pay more or am I ok with buying a $10 spring?
Modern 1911s/2011s are enthusiasts guns. Now a bunch of people who’ve spent their lives shooting Glocks, M&Ps, and 320s are showing up expecting these new cool guy guns to require the same level of indifference when it is simply not the case.
My Toyota Corolla has been very reliable for almost a decade so far. My buddy’s Porsche had to go back multiple times. Should it? No… but it’s still a Porche and mine is still a Toyota.
IIRC, Aaron Cowan's pistol evaluation formats run on 500 round intervals. In testing, you generally want to adhere to a standardized format and run said interval to completion.
This seems fairly pedantic and ridiculous to get bent out of shape about...especially since the thread is about the Springfield pistol, and not whatever fixation you have on Aaron Cowan.
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All reasonable points. My first 1911 was an SA TRP that got the full C&S treatment and never skipped a beat after. I carried a pair of SA Professionals (actual CRG SN's) and shot the living crap out of them for the better part of 20 years, completely reliably (but well maintained.) Even my Colt CCO runs perfectly - with the right magazines.
But, yeah, it's not news to those of us with experience that the 1911 platform is unforgiving of indifferently fitted parts, careless assembly, and improper springing, as you point out.
I still, however, don't think it is unreasonable to expect a $1500 pistol to manage more than three shots in a row without a malfunction. And, it's pretty clear there's probably far more than just a $10 spring wrong with that particular example.
As for Aaron doing it to "get views", I believe, given the closed platform he is now on, he already has those viewers, and the people paying for his content aren't going to particularly care whether he had it run well or not.
They're paying to see what he's experiencing, for his insights, and hopefully, for an honest assessment.
Shouldn't Cowan have stopped at 100 rounds or whatever and sent the pistol back or had someone take a look at it? He'd likely have gotten better results without wasting his time and ammo.
He's returned stuff for warranty before. His Masterpiece hicap comes to mind. That gun, if I'm remembering correctly, had an issue with the safety binding? He sent it back and then completed his video review.
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If anyone is looking to ditch the 2-piece guide rod and holed plug from a 4.25 model, Hilton Yam has the more traditional short Commander recoil guide and closed reverse plug on his website.
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Testing format aside, Break in periods are a thing on some guns.
IIRC Cowan does 2000 round reviews in 500 round increments.
Getting a properly functioning gun from SA has always been a crapshoot.
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