BJJ is fantastic for the context you are describing. There is a saying, “position before submission”. You maintain the position through control, which is exactly what BJJ teaches. You will definitely want to do no-Gi in addition to Gi.
BJJ is fantastic for the context you are describing. There is a saying, “position before submission”. You maintain the position through control, which is exactly what BJJ teaches. You will definitely want to do no-Gi in addition to Gi.
BJJ would work. Gi, no gi, it doesn’t really matter for this.
BUT, I would be very cautious using anything at work that wasn’t covered in a work provided training, and I would not let anyone at the office know I was into BJJ. The higher ups care about protecting the company from lawsuits, they don’t care about you until after you’ve already sustained an injury that they’re on the hook for. Even then, they don’t really care about you, but they care about the $ impact related to you and what that means for them.
It actually does matter, as a lot of guys who train only in the Gi become dependent on Gi grips. It is good to train both, but no gi forces you to use the grips that work without use of the Gi, (e.g. 2 on 1, Kimura grip, etc). Obviously, only use techniques that are allowed by policy and law.
I'm fairly certain that @03RN does that stuff for a living.
He's also a beast in the weight lifting category. Regardless of technique or methodology selected I'm certain an intense level of strength and conditioning will allow it to be more effective. Even if "soft" is the goal.
You are not doing combatives. You are trying to keep these kids from hurting themselves if the rooms already cleared.
I do have a background in a few different h2h systems but if a camera catches you doing anything but what your trained in through the district them you will be held liable.
Best advice is to hold on as tight as you and your partner can. If you're on their right side. Then use your right hand on their wrist and your left hand under their armpit. You 2 can guide them where you want. The tighter you hold the better. Don't loosen untill you have a plan. Keep your body in tight and when they bite, feed it. That means push into it.
Ideally you would have more than 2 but I've held big strong patients with one other person for 30+ minutes when we couldn't get a restraining device or meds at the time.
+1 to hold tight, stay tight. Don’t give the kid room to move or get momentum.
We had two big, strong guys doing proper holds (in compliance with training) on a thin young (13 or 14yo) woman’s arms - right side guy had her wrist and arm, left side guy a mirror. They started moving her to a different room and didn’t stay tight. She ended up flipping her feet up in the air in front of her hard enough to do a back flip. Left side guy either felt her going and released, or lost his hold. Right side guy clamped down. She got a spiral fracture of her right humerus and cracked one or both bones in the forearm.
If they’d both stayed in tight to her body and had their hand up in the armpit, it would likely have not happened (though she’d have probably screamed obscenities in their ears and accused them of groping her). I held and escorted multiple stronger patients in similar situations, alone or with a partner, and never injured someone. I only ever got hurt when someone hit me with a chair as I moved in to take a hold (I’m not counting geriatric attempts to pinch, punch, or bite).
I wish I had a high school wrestling career at this point.
Lord knows I could use some BJJ in general, but I'm apprehensive about training to respond quite so aggressively to situations. I'm *pulling my punches,* as it were now. My little bit of combatives training was very focused on "incapacitate as quickly as you can, make every block a counterstrike, etc."
Luckily, I'm about 1000% better at using *communication* to defuse situations with disturbed students than I was 2 years ago. And I've been told I have a "commanding" voice (by a black man, our principal, who does some preaching) recently. That's a new thing for me.
REPETITION CREATES BELIEF
REPETITION BUILDS THE SEPARATE WORLDS WE LIVE AND DIE IN
NO EXCEPTIONS
Yup, it's CYA all around.
My principal has stated this to me in a one-on-one conversation, in regards to our training on this.
"It's there so I can say everyone was trained if something goes wrong..."
My lack of trust on this issue was a major motivator in making the post here.
If I do a damn thing outside the offical techniques, I would assume I will be thrown right under that proverbial bus if it becomes an issue. No doubt.
REPETITION CREATES BELIEF
REPETITION BUILDS THE SEPARATE WORLDS WE LIVE AND DIE IN
NO EXCEPTIONS
Having used my sheer size and strength in dealing with small humans, I'm gonna say I'm glad I'm fairly strong. It always helps. It's never a liability. Strength can mean you can actually be more gentle, if that makes any sense.
There's a reason big guys get hired as aides/orderlies in EC classrooms and psychiatric hospitals.
REPETITION CREATES BELIEF
REPETITION BUILDS THE SEPARATE WORLDS WE LIVE AND DIE IN
NO EXCEPTIONS