Hah...I'm not looking really hard at an HK p30 I can get with 6 magazines for a steal...Originally Posted by Bill Riehl
You have an open invitation dude.
We have few range rules.
1. No plastic pistols.
Hah...I'm not looking really hard at an HK p30 I can get with 6 magazines for a steal...You have an open invitation dude.
We have few range rules.
1. No plastic pistols.
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Because I don't see a lot of FAST results posted with a .45 1911 and in my recent years I've found the FAST and a lot of these other drills to be a BEAR to manage with a .45 vs a Glock 9mm. I've shot a fair number of clean FAST with G26-G17 under 6 but never got close with my 1911. Now I don't train it much anymore, as I did in the '80's but when I do I'm stunned at how much more work it is.
Some of that is because I'm no longer habituated to the light crisp SA trigger (my gun is a Dave Sams gun with a very nice trigger) but most of it is recoil management I think.
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
-- For me most of the difference with a 1911 is in the reload, and I don't see a ton of difference between a .38S LWC and a full size .45. I normally try to keep it to one gun at the range, but I'm taking some guys out in a week and we should have a GM, .45 LWC, P35, and G17 on hand. We'll clock 'em out.
Bill,
I can/have broken 6.0 with a 1911 in .45. A few key components:
- Work on getting the rounds into the 3x5 in ~2.0 seconds
- Get the reload in ~2.25
- .25 splits to the body
Something like a 1.6/.4/2.25/.25/.25/.25 puts you at 5.0. Independantly, those times are not too much of an issue. Putting it all together is the trick.
C Class shooter.
Add me to the "no luck with 1911 FAST" crowd. Reload from closed garment (AIWB carry) usually incurs some time penalty, 1911 reload incurs some penalty, reloads of 1911 from AIWB were just abysmal.
My second shot on 3x5 remained to be desired too. About a year ago or so I worked on various setups and found that I needed a tungsten guide rod to keep 3x5 split around 0.5 consistently, when shot in context of multiple shot strings or drills. YMMV, or course.
+1. Trigger and recoil account for my misses and sticking the skinny mag into a skinnier magwell accounts for half of the total time!
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
Interesting -- this a 1911 specific thing, or single stack .45's generally?
I saw a video of John Hearne shooting about a 5.2 FAST with his Sig 220 at some Rangemaster event. The first week I started shooting a Sig, I shot a number of FAST with an alloy 220, and they were mid 5's, before I hardly new the slide stop from the decocker and had no clue about the DA press. You would think between the 1911 trigger and magwell options, the 1911 would be significantly easier to shoot a FAST with.
George - a lot of my time is my general suckiness with a gun.
Average of 10 clean runs:
1.79/0.49/3.08/0.38/0.39/0.36
How's that reload of a giant ball of suck and fail.
I would call that reload not a "suck" but rather an excellent opportunity to shave a second off your FAST, and something that is learned primarily by dry fire practice.
I think one loses up to a quarter of a second by using support hand thumb vs strong hand thumb slide drop.
My 1911s don't have magwells, so there's that. Most videos of lightning fast 1911 reloads that I've seen involved competition shooters with giant ass magwells and open carry.
I also think there is a sweet spot for magazine size in regards to reload. Too big are clumsy, too small are unforgiving to a slightly "off" grab. This is just my theory though.
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