IDPA equipment rule clarification

[YVK]

Would a factory short reach trigger make one change from SSP to ESP?

The rule book is explicit that aftermarket triggers that change reach put one into ESP.
It is less clear if one uses factory parts. It says you can swap triggers between different SSP eligible guns, but that doesn't seem to cover my questions.

The gun in question is a Beretta Elite II, for which I just procured a factory short reach trigger.

[gtmtnbiker98]

To best summarize, can you buy it from the factory in this configuration? If so, it is legal for SSP - no different than SIG's short reach triggers.

[YVK]

To best summarize, can you buy it from the factory in this configuration?

Gtmtn, I don't know. Elite II has been discontinued for years, I don't know if they were ever sold with SRT installed.

[ToddG]

If you're not allowed to put a short reach Beretta factory trigger in an E2, that's new. Of course, back when I was shooting IDPA you could use one of Langdon's "speedbump" triggers in SSP, too, so dinosaurs and asteroids and all that...

[gtmtnbiker98]

Gtmtn, I don't know. Elite II has been discontinued for years, I don't know if they were ever sold with SRT installed.

I believe that you are good to go, as long as it's a factory available part. No different than swapping triggers in a SIG and they remain legal for the division.

I'm an IDPA SOI for info. I highly doubt anybody would question the type of factory trigger.

[Sal Picante]

The trigger was originally on the Vertec, so it should be ok... Much like putting an extended mag release on a regular glock.

[cclaxton]

I believe that you are good to go, as long as it's a factory available part. No different than swapping triggers in a SIG and they remain legal for the division.

I'm an IDPA SOI for info. I highly doubt anybody would question the type of factory trigger.

I agree...factory parts are almost always allowed.

Why not shoot ESP? Cocked and Locked, Man!! Every shot a Single action.
More chance of placing in ESP.

Don't see a lot of Beretta's, but there are a few. He shoots up in Penn.
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[Sadmin]

Or it could depend on your club...last night at our match, which was the first match with new rules in place, I watched 3 60 year olds argue for 15 minutes about reloading while behind cover and stood next to a new shooter in SSP with a full grip reduction on his g34 :/
fun game.

[YVK]

Thanks, everyone, I am pretty sure now it will be SSP eligible. Frankly, I am not sure yet if I am going to use SRT or not, or whether I'd even run a Beretta, but it is helpful to know.

[cclaxton]

Or it could depend on your club...last night at our match, which was the first match with new rules in place, I watched 3 60 year olds argue for 15 minutes about reloading while behind cover and stood next to a new shooter in SSP with a full grip reduction on his g34 :/
fun game.

I don't think there's anything wrong with allowing shooters to shoot local club matches with guns that might fail the inspection at a sanctioned match. But, I always point out that they won't be able to shoot it sanctioned. Some people may never compete at a sanctioned match. Is the grip reduction going to result in this guy beating the shooter just above him?....I seriously doubt it. You just don't get that much of an advantage. What makes a difference is training, trigger control, proper grip....fundamentals.

But seen plenty of DQ's at sanctioned matches with OUTLAW GUNS!!! Don't do it!!!
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