Okay kids something substantive!
I've had some old and new internet forum discussion regarding the necessity of training. Now personally I believe that all gun owners should be fit, do BJJ, and have a Rogers pin. However I thnk we'd all agree that the VAST majority of lawful, defensive shootings in the U.S. are by UNTRAINED gun owners.
Recently I had someone assert that JUST as many untrained people fail in defensive shootings as win.
I don't believe that AT ALL, but I have absolutely nothing empirical to back that up.
Discuss.