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    Quote Originally Posted by Irelander View Post
    I thought i heard that around here...but maybe I imagined it.
    Pretty sure the P2000 is in current production.

    Although the P2000 has been discussed thoroughly on PF, I'll add that it's an outstanding pistol. I have 46XX rounds through an LEM version with zero stoppages. It carries well under an "smedium" T-shirt with a JMCK wingclaw holster. (I'm 5'10" 180lbs, athletic). The only drawback is a fairly small selection of aftermarket sights, although Trijicon HDs and Bright & Tuff are available, and Meps. There's some FO front sights available too, if that's your preference. I'd try a P30 if the opportunity arose, but in the meantime I'm extremely happy with my P2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irelander View Post
    I thought i heard that around here...but maybe I imagined it.
    https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/p2000/

    It's still showing up on the HK website. I see that rumor pop up every so often, and while it wouldn't shock me if HK orphans the P2000 at end of the CBP contract, I'd prefer that they don't--it's a great little pistol, and I think there's room for the USPc, P2000, and P30 in the lineup.

    Of course, my dream HK gun would be a 9mm version of the HK45c (without the 45c's rail limitations) that takes P2000/USPc mags. But since I suck, and they hate me, I doubt they'll ask...

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by ssb View Post
    I moved some things around and took advantage of HK's reduced pricing on the P30s to score a backup P30 for training and dry fire. It's been said here before, but to re-iterate, I think there's a legitimate safety benefit that comes from the ability to leave your carry gun alone -- fewer loading/unloading manipulations = fewer opportunities for carelessness to interject itself.

    I now have:
    - P30 v4.1 LEM
    - P30 v1 LEM
    - P30SK v1 LEM with v4.1 LEM TRS

    Of the three configurations, I strongly prefer the v4.1 LEM followed by the v1+v4.1 TRS combo.

    My problem with the v1 LEM is the lack of resistance in the pre-travel phase of the press. Oddly enough, that lack of resistance encourages seems to encourage me to steer the gun off target during that half inch or so of pre-travel. The addition of a v4.1 TRS mostly solves that issue without giving me the detriments of a v2 break weight -- overall it feels like a TGS LEM with less weight in both break and pretravel. The v4.1 configuration, however, gives me even more take-up weight and a slightly heavier break. The wall is a bit more defined. I think the true benefit though, at least for me, is less of an opportunity to screw up the trigger press during the pre-travel phase. It's still a long stroke -- my one SFA pistol feels like a SAO by comparison -- and I believe it retains the safety values which drew me back to LEM for carry. Another benefit is more consistent finger placement due to the shorter reach. I find it much easier to be consistent, and also much easier to avoid frame contact with my trigger finger.

    So, I think I'll be converting all of my guns to the 4.1 LEM. The question for me is whether I should do it myself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irelander View Post
    This is a great thread.

    I'm working on transitioning out of striker fired guns and moving to DA/SA or LEM platforms. Mainly I just want to try something new and I like the idea of the added safety of the DA trigger. I'm mainly looking at HK pistols with LEM triggers right now. I was mostly looking at the P2000 since it is roughly the same size as a G19 but I find the P30 intriguing with the adaptability of the grip and the great reputation of the extraction system. I'm going to fire off several questions, hopefully this is the correct place to post them. I also did not read every post in this thread so if the answers lie within, let me know.

    In regards to the P2000, does it boast the same flawless extraction performance as the P30?

    The P30 is a little larger than a G19, generally speaking, how does the P30 conceal as compared to a P2000? How about P30sk and P2000sk? I'm 6'0", 175lb and have an athletic build.

    Since the P2000 is discontinued, is it not wise to go all in on this model?

    I'm really thinking that, for my needs, an SK is the way to go. Is wither the P30sk or P2000sk superior to the other in any way?

    Thanks for bearing with me.

    Having owned both a P2000sk and a P30sk, I give an edge to the P30sk because of the paddle mag release, and those lovely extended 13 round magazines. The shape of the 13 round extended mags is more of a “Bobtail” and really aids in concealing the pistol.

    The P2000sk I owned was a .40, and it handled the cartridge very well, with mild recoil for a .40.

    You really can’t go wrong with either gun, but the accessories and sights give an edge to the P30sk. Between Trijicon, Wilson, and Dawson, the P30 series has some great sight options nowadays.

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    Even though I selected the P30 over the USP and P2000, I'd like to see all three stay in production for the simple reason that any time we can keep an extremely well vetted pistol available it's a great thing. Plus, with all the tooling done ages ago, I can't imagine it would cost HK more to keep the line open than they're selling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman A. House DDS View Post
    I wish I could find a P30 LEM to try out!
    I'll bring my P30SK with Lazy Wolf work done with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LockedBreech View Post
    Even though I selected the P30 over the USP and P2000, I'd like to see all three stay in production for the simple reason that any time we can keep an extremely well vetted pistol available it's a great thing. Plus, with all the tooling done ages ago, I can't imagine it would cost HK more to keep the line open than they're selling.
    Tooling wears out eventually. See: HK P7 series

    That said, if there was one HK hammer gun that I had to choose to go away, it'd probably be the P2000. The P30 fits my hand amazingly well. The USP/USPC is insanely well-vetted and still has excellent holster support even if light support leaves something to be desired, to say the least. The P2000, while well-vetted, sort of sits in no man's land by comparison.

    I'm personally still considering a USPC V7 to back up my twin P30Ls, especially now that I've discovered P30 mags will fit well naturally and even better with a tiny grip sleeve at the base of the mag body. If I can get USP resets with P30 Light LEM pull weights in a G19-sized package, I'll be extremely happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by einherjarvalk View Post
    Tooling wears out eventually. See: HK P7 series

    That said, if there was one HK hammer gun that I had to choose to go away, it'd probably be the P2000. The P30 fits my hand amazingly well. The USP/USPC is insanely well-vetted and still has excellent holster support even if light support leaves something to be desired, to say the least. The P2000, while well-vetted, sort of sits in no man's land by comparison.

    I'm personally still considering a USPC V7 to back up my twin P30Ls, especially now that I've discovered P30 mags will fit well naturally and even better with a tiny grip sleeve at the base of the mag body. If I can get USP resets with P30 Light LEM pull weights in a G19-sized package, I'll be extremely happy.
    I don't disagree that of the 3, the P2000 would be the obvious kill-off.

    What I would LIKE to see is a P2000 that modernizes and slims down a little so we can keep having a G19-sized HK. But at the end of the day, if the P30 and VP9 stick around I think HK will be great.
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    I had heard that HK's are convertible (DA to LEM > LEM to DA) but I was told by HK CS this morning that the P30sk is not convertible. I had asked about the 4.1 kit, and she said that they could install it, that they have two Armorers....TWO! So, the HK 'custom shop' although they don't call it that, has only two? They either don't get many guns back for repairs, or there is a tremendous backlog...? They don't offer a listing of armorers that have been to the official course, which is odd, and said:

    Danny,

    The only HK certified armorers are at our Columbus Ga Facility.


    Thank you


    HK Customer Service Team
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    Seems odd that they imply that those who have done the course, but don't work for HK, are not 'HK Certified'...I thought that was the whole point of paying $400-600 to attend these things, is that you're able to work on their product, and not void the gun owners warranty? I was trying to see if there was an HK armorer in my area, just in case I needed one in the future, or had questions.
    Last edited by Sig66; 09-14-2018 at 09:45 AM. Reason: more info

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssb View Post
    I found the P30 to be easier to conceal than the G17 in comparable (wing-type) holsters. Obviously body-specific, but the more rounded profile of the P30 matters.
    Specifically for me the striker hump of the Glock series is much harder to conceal than hammer fired guns. I can conceal the G17 ok but the P30 is easy peasy. I don't find the G19 any easier to conceal than the G17.

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