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    How much gun is enough?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Cunningham View Post
    How much gun is enough?
    Dude that is too easy.... one that stops the threat(s) in the allotted time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCT125US View Post
    Dude that is too easy.... one that stops the threat(s) in the allotted time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCT125US View Post
    Dude that is too easy.... one that stops the threat(s) in the allotted time.
    And only measured in retrospect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Cunningham View Post
    How much gun is enough?
    That is frequently entirely up to the person getting shot with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToddG View Post
    I've met people who've, at one point or another in their lives, had a thought something like: "Damn, I wish I had more gun right now." At least two forum members have been in such situations within the past couple of years, both realizing that the j-frame they had with them wouldn't be enough if an earnest fight broke out.

    I've yet to meet a single person who has ever wished he had less gun when the time came for needing a gun.
    Sure, but carrying around a belt-fed 7.62 auto is a bit problematic. As always, it is a compromise and arguing that my compromise point is better than your compromise point is one that has been worked to death. I've interviewed lots of BGs and not a one of them has ever said that if the other guy had only been carrying a bigger gun he would have changed things. I've been in a few fights, and while it may be nice to have lots of stuff in reserve all of them could have been solved with a <6 shot revolver just as well as a 17 round semi-auto.
    The question is whether there are guns as easy to carry, practically speaking, that have better ballistics, more firepower, and/or superior shootability.
    I thought the question was if the modified J-frame was a good lounge-around gun? There are plenty of cars that are more comfortable and get better mileage than say, a Chevy Malibu, but does that mean the Malibu is not sufficient for driving around town getting groceries and taking the kids to school? It seems these discussions always fall back to "Yeah, but A is better than B" instead of the basic "Given situation 1, is A an appropriatae choice".
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Armstrong View Post
    Sure, but carrying around a belt-fed 7.62 auto is a bit problematic.
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    Nope. Try again. You opened the door when you proposed "I've yet to meet a single person who has ever wished he had less gun when the time came for needing a gun." Given the fact that military combat is clearly a time for needing a gun the belt-fed heavy auto versus less gun is quite valid. Yet we do not issue belt-feds to all soldiers, and given the situation I know a number of folks that would reject the bigger gun for "less gun." The point is that you phrase it wrong, IMO. The better wording to me would be something that does not address if one wanted less gun but if there was a need for more gun. One could just as easily insert a 6" Mdl 29 or other gun if you don't like the belt-fed example.
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    Perhaps you're not understanding reductio ad absurdum. Here's an example: inserting belt-fed machine guns into a discussion about concealed carry handgun compromises.

    As for the j-frame debate, it's a pretty straightforward odds/stakes/costs problem. You may very well be correct and a j-frame or similar handgun will be adequate most of the time. But for those rare occasions when it's not the stakes are monstrously high, and the cost in terms of convenience and comfort between, say, a 442 and a G26 are tiny on any practical level.


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