The purpose of the ban is to have NOTHING on your gun. So instead of doing that, Colt is at least giving the customer something that complies with the specific wording of the law instead of just shipping out a gun with nothing on the muzzle end.Originally Posted by G60
Word.
I think it's dangerous for us to assume that future attempts at legislation will offer the same "loopholes" (or whatever you want to call them) as past legislation.
For example, many in this thread are mentioning specific models of Brake/Comp ABC/XYZ which would be legal under a new AWB since it's not a flash hider. Says who?
Granted, NY is an extreme example, but they are the only working example we have so far. The legislation that recently passed in NY considers comps and muzzle brakes (or "breaks" as they call them), just as offensive as flash hiders:
Just because muzzle device ABC/XYZ was legal during the last AWB is no guarantee that it would be legal under any future legislation, as NY just learned the hard way.S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by
chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows:
22. "Assault weapon" means
...
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS
...
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
Given this, it seems that much of this discussion becomes... well... academic at best... time-wasting at worst. We don't yet know what shape future legislation may take, but we should throw out our old models: brakes and comps are no longer being ignored by anti-gun legislators.
Bingo. We've been openly derisive about how stupid and ineffective the previous bans have been, it's very short-sighted for us not to assume they've been listening. The next ban may very well be as effective as they'd like...
--Josh
“Formerly we suffered from crimes; now we suffer from laws.” - Tacitus.
Amen! Gunshow loophole is actually just the law as it stands and as it was intended. What's really a loophole is destroying the 2nd Amendment through the Commerce Clause. Or restricting things from ownership via the commerce clause. That was an in intended consequence. So maybe it should be called the Gun Control Loophole?
+1. During the last unpleasantness I got hold of a bare muzzle AR, and the difference between it and my old model was fairly noticeable. One of the areas I found the most troubling was shooting prone, where the bare muzzzle blew up a LOT more dust and junk. Not a big deal for fun and games but a bit of a hassle for quick follow-ups on critters.A mil-spec USGI A2 FH costs about $8.00, so I really don't know why one wouldn't have one mounted on their defensive rifle. Bare muzzles throw off a huge fireball, brakes and comps are obnoxious and largely superfluous unless you are a very high-level carbinero indeed. Suppressors are a great idea, but of course they have their own downsides.
"PLAN FOR YOUR TRAINING TO BE A REFLECTION OF REAL LIFE INSTEAD OF HOPING THAT REAL LIFE WILL BE A REFLECTION OF YOUR TRAINING!"
Back in late '04, when bare-muzzle barrels were going for a song, I was toying with putting together a 16" upper in .223 Winchester Super Silly Magnum, just because.
Go to the range and practice transitions to your 357 Sig. Perfect range trolling combo. Plus stopping powah.Back in late '04, when bare-muzzle barrels were going for a song, I was toying with putting together a 16" upper in .223 Winchester Super Silly Magnum, just because.
Think for yourself. Question authority.
When I was done screwing around with it, I could recoup some of my costs by marketing it as a great flash-bang substitute for the Tinytown PD SWAT team on a budget; just poke the muzzle through the mail slot and crank off a round at random.
(Never saw the .223WSSM fired out of a carbine, but it was stupid loud out of even a 20" varmint tube...)
Last edited by Tamara; 01-22-2013 at 08:01 AM.
It's all about the Taurus Raging Hornet for indoor range obnoxiousness.
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