Buffalo Bore - Near KB & Bad CS Experience

[GJM]

The Buffalo bore dude needs to spend more time minding velocities and quality control back home, and less time trying to build a social media reputation as the latest, great African hunter. Right now, he seems to be failing at both.

[Cheap Shot]

The Buffalo bore dude needs to spend more time minding velocities and quality control back home, and less time trying to build a social media reputation as the latest, great African hunter. Right now, he seems to be failing at both.

Methinks the social media nonsense is more about writing off his African hunts as a business expense.

[GyroF-16]

If the advertised velocity of that ammo is true, and that's a big if, that load is 100fps than the hottest tested loads on Hodgdon's site. Several loads make it to 1050fps with a 100gr bullet, but only Lil Gun gets to 1200fps in a 5" barrel. All Hodgdon loads are no more than 20,300cup. So BB could be screaming hot or BS advertsing.

Oh, my sample of that ammo was that hot, and then some. (See post #1).
I just wouldn’t recommend using it if you plan to use the gun again anytime soon.
I tend to believe @RevolverRob’s theory that it’s actually a .327 Mag load in a .32 H&R case.

[Navin Johnson]

The Buffalo bore dude needs to spend more time minding velocities and quality control back home, and less time trying to build a social media reputation as the latest, great African hunter. Right now, he seems to be failing at both.

His audience/market is not the intelligent shooting community and he has been very successful with that demographic

If one has ever used ANY of his shit (I have) BB is completely of the radar

I’m surprised this thread has gone this long

[HeavyDuty]

His audience/market is not the intelligent shooting community and he has been very successful with that demographic

If one has ever used ANY of his shit (I have) BB is completely of the radar

I’m surprised this thread has gone this long

Well, he has a huge base of potential customers…

[jetfire]

Oh, my sample of that ammo was that hot, and then some. (See post #1).
I just wouldn’t recommend using it if you plan to use the gun again anytime soon.
I tend to believe @RevolverRob’s theory that it’s actually a .327 Mag load in a .32 H&R case.

This is pretty consistent with their other products as well, like the aforementioned 38 Special Heavy Outdoorsman load. It's a 158gr LSWC running like 1100 FPS in a 38 Special case. According to independent testing, it's popping about 28,000 PSI, which is well above the threshold for 38 Special +P. At that point it's a low-pressure 357 Magnum, which is fine if you're running a 357 Magnum revolver.

However, if you're running a revolver that is 38 Special +P only, like a Taurus 856 or Taurus 82, it's decidedly not fine. I had actually had a post on my social media about that round recommending it, that I took down after I saw the unsafe pressure data. I'm not trying to get people hurt.

After the last few years of ammo craziness, I really am turned off on boutique ammo manufacturers. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze, especially when factory loaded ammo from reputable manufacturers now equals or in some cases outperforms the boutique stuff. Like oh, I need a hard hitting, deep penetrating 44 Magnum? Look at that, there's a 280gr Bonded JHP from Federal that will penetrate the long way through an elk. Oh I need a 32 Magnum load that penetrates and expands? The Federal 85gr JHP does both. Crazy work.

[03RN]

This is pretty consistent with their other products as well, like the aforementioned 38 Special Heavy Outdoorsman load. It's a 158gr LSWC running like 1100 FPS in a 38 Special case. According to independent testing, it's popping about 28,000 PSI, which is well above the threshold for 38 Special +P. At that point it's a low-pressure 357 Magnum, which is fine if you're running a 357 Magnum revolver.

However, if you're running a revolver that is 38 Special +P only, like a Taurus 856 or Taurus 82, it's decidedly not fine. I had actually had a post on my social media about that round recommending it, that I took down after I saw the unsafe pressure data. I'm not trying to get people hurt.

After the last few years of ammo craziness, I really am turned off on boutique ammo manufacturers. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze, especially when factory loaded ammo from reputable manufacturers now equals or in some cases outperforms the boutique stuff. Like oh, I need a hard hitting, deep penetrating 44 Magnum? Look at that, there's a 280gr Bonded JHP from Federal that will penetrate the long way through an elk. Oh I need a 32 Magnum load that penetrates and expands? The Federal 85gr JHP does both. Crazy work.

Fwiw the book max load for 158gr swc and be-86 in .38 +p gets me 1000fps.

[03RN]

Im not sure what happened. Up until maybe 10 years ago I used quite a bit of their .45acp and .45 colt with great results. Tim Sundles also used to regularly post on the backpack hunting centric kifaru forums and I never thought he was an odd duck.

[SCCY Marshal]

...I don't understand the point of a "heavy" load in .32 H&R, I thought the whole reason behind going down-caliber from .38 was to REDUCE recoil? Especially in ultra lights, I'd be looking for the lightest load that was likely to produce sufficient penetration. But, I'm just a poor dumb country boy from NY, WTF do I know?

Hunting, woods bumming, people with an actual back forty to wander, getting more from the carry gun one already owns. Someone duffing around the boonies with a 32 H&R Single Six would likely consider such a load in case of bear or whatever. Or pop them in a SP101 for less recoil than 327 Federal Magnum but still more zest than the usual sub-length cartridges. Already own a pocket .32 for around town and decide to head camping or on a hike, can verify POI/function and carry on with an existing pistol. The theory is sound once one steps outside of the primarily suburban concealed carry focus of P-F.

That said, my personal experience lay with Buffalo Bore's "standard pressure" 38 Special where I have found it to utilize harder primers than the Underwood equivalent. And the vicarious experience of an old classmate still alive to chat with once in a while thanks to the application of a couple of the 158 grain LSWC-HP standard pressure from retention ending a ground and pound from a wife beater. An old woods hippie in town is also done with magnums and loads his Security Six and other magnums with the +P .38 Buffalo Bore for both tootling around town to get more granola and putzing around the woods to eat the honey oats in a hammock.

[psalms144.1]

Hunting, woods bumming, people with an actual back forty to wander, getting more from the carry gun one already owns. Someone duffing around the boonies with a 32 H&R Single Six would likely consider such a load in case of bear or whatever. Or pop them in a SP101 for less recoil than 327 Federal Magnum but still more zest than the usual sub-length cartridges. Already own a pocket .32 for around town and decide to head camping or on a hike, can verify POI/function and carry on with an existing pistol. The theory is sound once one steps outside of the primarily suburban concealed carry focus of P-F.

All that makes perfect sense - thanks. For ME, the only appeal of the .32 H&R is less recoil, if I need better performance I'd carry a heavy .38 or mild 357 in my GP100. But, I recognize that my "outdoors" adventures are more tame than some!