Keltec PR57

[Zincwarrior]

Not every gun has to be a defensive weapon. Some can be there just for the giggles.

As evidence, I present my fabulous purple pirate pistol:
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Chris

Not discussing as a range toy, which is fine and fun, but as a self defense - particularly concealed carry - piece.

[G19Fan]

My wife has severe Rheumatoid Arthritis; she can not fire a double-action revolver, drop a magazine, rack a slide, handle recoil, or a small grip. She enjoys shooting(we do need to go again) and likes having a gun available to her when I'm away(not very often). She has a Glock 44 but I'd prefer a centerfire round. I've never fired a 5.7 so I've no idea of the recoil, but I think it may be too much in a lightweight $300.00 Keltec. Now if someone made a G19-sized pistol in .32 acp, maybe. She also doesn't want to spend much money on a new gun.

5.7 recoil is super light

[TCinVA]

So, looks cool and is, in fact, cool?

I haven't had the single tube KelTech show up to a shotgun class yet. I have seen the KSG multiple times, though. I've seen one that worked properly. The others started shitting the bed at some point during the day.

On the basis of what I have seen from the KT shotguns, I wouldn't recommend one to anyone who wants something they can depend on for self defense.

If you want one because you think bullpup shotguns are cool, I won't yuck your yum. I don't like brussels sprouts, hobbyhorsing, or BDSM dressed up as vampire porn. But some people do.

[TCinVA]

"Let's make a gun for people who aren't going to practice or train with it." and "Let's make a gun for people who don't really want one."

...are pretty good ideas. That is your typical person. Todd used to joke that what the gun business needed to come up with is a blister pack pistol. A gun that comes from the factory with ammunition already in a fixed grip that you charge once and carry until you actually need to shoot it. It gets shot through the onboard ammunition supply and then you discard it. No maintenance, no fuss, use it, toss it, and pull another one out of the blister pack. A handgun that works pretty much exactly like pepper spray.

Current laws make that not feasible but if they weren't a barrier that would actually be something that would involve minimal investment, no maintenance, and very little to worry about for a normie.

I don't know that stripper clips actually contribute meaningfully to that goal of a gun for people who don't want to learn guns...if that is the goal.

With the pistol being as light as it is, I'm curious how it handles shooting with a bad grip as that's the primary reason why pistols coming out of holsters in self defense don't work as good as they do on the range.

I think the resurgence of the lightweight, light caliber small revolver pretty much hits the "normie needs a gun that works" niche pretty well. I hope those offerings expand.

It will be interesting to see how this thing does in the real world.

[Joe in PNG]

So, looks cool and is, in fact, cool?

Cool for a watergun, not so cool for a 12ga. It just felt flimsy, plasticky, and cheap like a dollar store toy gun.

[mrozowjj]

"Let's make a gun for people who aren't going to practice or train with it." and "Let's make a gun for people who don't really want one."

...are pretty good ideas. That is your typical person. Todd used to joke that what the gun business needed to come up with is a blister pack pistol. A gun that comes from the factory with ammunition already in a fixed grip that you charge once and carry until you actually need to shoot it. It gets shot through the onboard ammunition supply and then you discard it. No maintenance, no fuss, use it, toss it, and pull another one out of the blister pack. A handgun that works pretty much exactly like pepper spray.

Current laws make that not feasible but if they weren't a barrier that would actually be something that would involve minimal investment, no maintenance, and very little to worry about for a normie.

I don't know that stripper clips actually contribute meaningfully to that goal of a gun for people who don't want to learn guns...if that is the goal.

With the pistol being as light as it is, I'm curious how it handles shooting with a bad grip as that's the primary reason why pistols coming out of holsters in self defense don't work as good as they do on the range.

I think the resurgence of the lightweight, light caliber small revolver pretty much hits the "normie needs a gun that works" niche pretty well. I hope those offerings expand.

It will be interesting to see how this thing does in the real world.

I hope this doesn't get too far off on a tanget but what you described reminds me of a fake gun in the video game Cyberpunk 2077

https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Bu...laught-O-Matic

It's a cheap shitty gun made in plastic that you buy loaded from a vending machine and comes with the instruction that you should discard it after use and don't attempt to reload because the plastic will have deformed after the 36 supplied rounds have melted the plastic a bit.

I think the fake gun is probably more reliable than the Kel Tec is though.