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    Basically when the factory discontinues parts and maintenance support, it’s time to move. I’d still be running 3rd gen S&W autos if I could, but those are safe queens now. You need to be able to get spring kits and all the wear items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TDA View Post
    Basically when the factory discontinues parts and maintenance support, it’s time to move. I’d still be running 3rd gen S&W autos if I could, but those are safe queens now. You need to be able to get spring kits and all the wear items.
    We were issued compact 3rd Gen DAO S&W 9's in the late 80's or early 90's before the agency went to issuing Glocks to all sworn personnel. I liked shooting them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farscott View Post
    I am done adopting new platforms. The investment in holsters, magazine carriers, etc. in addition to the pistols combined with the amount of practice needed to be proficient is just too high for any perceived return.

    I am in the midst of platform reduction. So far, I am keeping 1911, Glock, Centennial J-frame, and Seecamp LWS-32. Everything else is either going down the road or is a range toy. And I have not fired a Glock in more than a year. My limited range time has been primarily 1911 and my M442.
    This is where I'm at as well. If I was just coming on the scene, I would probably be looking at something like an M&P 2.0, a Langdon PX4 or a P30 LEM and I've got a buddy that keeps pushing me to jump on the P365 bandwagon. But I've been running a G19.3 and G34.3 for close to 20 years now (ouch, that hurts to type), so sunk cost is a thing (mag pouches, holsters, magazines, spare parts, etc., etc.) and I can keep a full magazine in the black of a B8 at 25 yards consistently so there's likely a point of diminishing returns to keep chasing something better.

    Glocks, J-Frames, K-Frames, and 1911s are where I've thrown my lot (only exceptions are the XD-45 that was the first handgun I bought and an RM380 that's worth about it's weight in scrap price to offload so it sticks around in the back of the safe) and it would take some seismic change to alter course at this point. Like, a monumental financial windfall kind of seismic change.
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    I'm approaching this from a different direction. In the past, a 1911 or CZ-75B with one or two spare mags, or an N frame with two speedloaders, was no big deal. Now, at 73, that's not as much fun as it used to be - that stuff is heavy. I'm more fit than most guys my age but I just don't want to deal with all that weight. Now a G19 or PX4 with a spare mag, or a 4" K frame with a speedloader and a speed strip, are the outer edge of what I'm willing (=/= able) to carry all day. If I'm walking in the woods, the 4" M28-2 is with me because...reasons.

    I'm fortunate in that I don't have the arthritis issues that plague lots of guys my age. I can still handle my .41 and .44 Magnums with full-power loads, I just don't want or need to anymore. Good thing I'm a handloader.
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    I absolutely hate switching guns. Here's what it takes: 2 or more new guns and optics, 20+ magazines, multiple new holsters, spare parts, grips or grip treatment, and a whole lot of practice to get used to it. Add the hassle of selling my old guns, and taking a nearly complete loss on all the support gear and supplies.

    There's only two things that will get me to switch.

    1. My current gun system reveals a critical flaw, and I simply can't use them anymore. This happened to me twice--once for 1911's, and again for Sig p320's.

    2. A new gun system is so much better than my current system, I'm willing to sacrifice time and money to get the improvements.

    After dumping 1911s, I switched to Glock for quite a while for carry and USPSA. When the p320 came out, I got sucked in and really liked it. But I didn't sell my Glocks because they are a default standard that I always want around--just like ARs.

    Then 320s started firing when dropped and I was able to repeat the drop-firing with my guns using primer only cases. So, I dumped the 320s and switched to CZ Shadow2's for USPSA. That gun was an eye opener because it was so much better for USPSA than anything I'd owned. Because I was putting so many rounds downrange with the S2, I bought P-07s for carry and home defense. The CZs are very similar in grip shape and index, so I'm happy with that choice.

    It would take something revolutionary for me to switch from CZ and Glock. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TDA View Post
    Basically when the factory discontinues parts and maintenance support, it’s time to move. I’d still be running 3rd gen S&W autos if I could, but those are safe queens now. You need to be able to get spring kits and all the wear items.

    This, plus being readily available to buy. I have shot both Beretta's and CZ's as I have a preference for a hammer fired gun. But the Beretta's were both inexpensive and more readily available (most of my PX4's were in the $400 range when bought). I have a couple used CZ's in that range, but had troubles getting new ones.

    The above prices for them and the parts question, made me buy multiple copies in the different calibers I shoot. This way I even have a spare for parts, just in case (gives me time to look at other platforms if discontinued).

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    I do not change unless the new choice does something I need significantly better than whatever gun I am currently using.

    The two most significant improvements we have seen in recent years in my opinion are sighting systems and size efficiency. Every change I have ever made to my carry choice is to gain one of these two improvements.
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    I won't carry a regular Glock AIWB. When I need to carry that way, I choose something double action with a hammer.

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    Jokes aside, i likely answered the same way last time we had this thread.

    Part of the enjoyment for me now is trying different things, despite knowing the gun doesn't matter all too much.

    They can all be shot to a high level. If hit factor scoring is my main goal then there are subtleties that can push me one way or another but really it's more about the investment in time/effort ala practice that will determine the differences. I also am stubborn and will just shoot what i like, despite an apparent disadvantage etc...

    For carry, and what i believe is required for my own personal skill level in that arena, the gun matters little and there are other factors that take precedent. Most dotted guns will allow me to hit those performance levels and trigger systems make a fairly minimal difference. So i just shoot whatever tickles my fancy and dedicate myself to that system for a few months to a year and then move on to other intriguing guns.

    It helps keep me motivated to show up and put in the effort.

    I never ran anything smaller than a g19 since i started shooting and the last year i started playing with p365's and recently a p30sk. They take more effort but also entice me to put in more work, thus keeping me motivated, and i really haven't noticed as big of a performance delta on timed drills that weren't hit factor oriented.



    edit - i should add that i'm also financially illiterate and criminally impulsive so that i never consider a switch from that perspective, as i just don't care, and shoot for the enjoyment of a healthy hobby and improving a skillset. A few thousand dollars a year is not something that would be a deterrent, within reason.
    Last edited by backtrail540; 01-11-2025 at 03:23 AM.
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