This has to be crap, right?

[HeavyDuty]

https://geissele.com/warner-swaseyr-...moa3-gen2.html

It popped up in a Geissele email today - Warner & Swasey RDS Micro. Given the price I’m guessing it’s a Swampfox grade dot.

[kwb377]

Same rebranded/restyled optic sold by several other companies....

https://atibal-optics.com/products/s...s-battery-life

[Clusterfrack]

https://geissele.com/warner-swaseyr-...moa3-gen2.html

It popped up in a Geissele email today - Warner & Swasey RDS Micro. Given the price I’m guessing it’s a Swampfox grade dot.

I'm fairly confident you get what you pay for. I'm baffled by Geissele's marketing strategy. Are they a Tier 1 manufacturer that provides weapons for special ops military units? Or more like Palmetto or Botach where you can buy hobby grade AR parts.

[HeavyDuty]

That’s what led to my confusion, too - I always thought Geissele ≠ PSA.

[Sig_Fiend]

I'll never understand why consumers reward that sort of behavior from manufacturers/retailers.

[DDTSGM]

I'm fairly confident you get what you pay for. I'm baffled by Geissele's marketing strategy. Are they a Tier 1 manufacturer that provides weapons for special ops military units? Or more like Palmetto or Botach where you can buy hobby grade AR parts.

I agree it is kind of confusing, maybe indicative of how tight/competitive things are getting in the accessory market.

The only Geissele stuff I religiously use are/were their carbon steel Super Gas Blocks which they offered on the ALG website. I also have used numerous ALG rails on builds over the years. They no longer offer the carbon steel version, only the black stainless steel version at double the price. Don't know why they quit offering the carbon steel version.

While it is true that you get what you pay for, I think that very often we tend to pay for more than we actually use. As the guy from Gideon Optics said on a video - by all means if you are locking out of submarines and making beach insertions, going from minus -40 degrees to +80 degrees on a HALO, buy an aimpoint or an eotech, if you aren't doing that, consider ours.

Additionally, that sight built into the top of the housing is worthless and hokey looking.

Outside of armed conflict with first tier militaries or police departments, I'm pretty sure most folks get dirt-napped by what we would call hobby grade stuff than by Tier 1 gear:

[DDTSGM]

I'll never understand why consumers reward that sort of behavior from manufacturers/retailers.

I would imagine that is many cases folks trust the manufacturer and think they are getting a super deal.

IIRC, Geissele offered this optic on the 'El Jefe' patrol rifle offered through ALG. I would imagine this is excess stock.

I notice that the 'El Jefe' (cheesy, terrible name IMO) has been out of stock. Does that mean they are going faster than they can build them, or that the rifle was a bust?

Geissele has a reputation as a quality company, too much of this kind of product offering will tarnish that image.

They should take a page from BCM's playbook and have someone mount them on receivers and them advertise them as demo/blem items at the price listed in the OP's link. That will move them.

(Note - not disparaging the quality of BCM uppers, pretty much all I use are their blem uppers. IMO the blem deal is a good way to reduce inventory without impacting the MSRP of their stripped uppers.)

[HCM]

I would imagine that is many cases folks trust the manufacturer and think they are getting a super deal.

IIRC, Geissele offered this optic on the 'El Jefe' patrol rifle offered through ALG. I would imagine this is excess stock.

I notice that the 'El Jefe' (cheesy, terrible name IMO) has been out of stock. Does that mean they are going faster than they can build them, or that the rifle was a bust?

Geissele has a reputation as a quality company, too much of this kind of product offering will tarnish that image.

They should take a page from BCM's playbook and have someone mount them on receivers and them advertise them as demo/blem items at the price listed in the OP's link. That will move them.

(Note - not disparaging the quality of BCM uppers, pretty much all I use are their blem uppers. IMO the blem deal is a good way to reduce inventory without impacting the MSRP of their stripped uppers.)

The rifle was a bust.

They just introduced a brace pistol version called the El Corto.

[Darth_Uno]

I'm fairly confident you get what you pay for. I'm baffled by Geissele's marketing strategy. Are they a Tier 1 manufacturer that provides weapons for special ops military units? Or more like Palmetto or Botach where you can buy hobby grade AR parts.

I'm on their email list (not that they ship to IL now) and that's what I was thinking. I thought Geissele was top tier and if you can't afford it, well it sucks to be you and poor. Then I see these.

[DDTSGM]

The rifle was a bust.

They just introduced a brace pistol version called the El Corto.

Who the heck are they marketing to?