SIG Intros 1911X Pistols

[HeavyDuty]

It is not MIM, it is the corporate America approach. First it is quality then all that matters is price. All parts are the same right? So why not switch over to a new source that just so happens to be the cheapest?

If it doesn’t meet specification and fails, their post sale expenses are much higher. One of the SIG people I talked to mentioned each gun that was shipped back to the mothership for warranty repair pretty much wiped out the profit for six other sales.

I’m not quite as jaded as you. Everyone in the industry is paying the price for Kimber’s crappy MIM a decade ago.

[EzGoingKev]

I have seen it in other industries.

America used to be about who made the best product. Now it is "if we all suck the same" then none of us need to spend any money to improve anything.

[Sensei]

I didn’t mean to turn the thread into another MIM vs forged war. My point was that Hilton’s video clearly showed the quality of some small parts in his N of 1 was sub par for his standards. Most of us who carry a 1911 regularly would also find the parts in his gun to be problematic. The manufacturing methods of those parts is largely immaterial (see what I did there) as forged parts can be screwed up too.

My overall point is that some people are going to feel the need to replace small parts on the Sig, and this may be at a higher rate than a Springfield or DW (both known to make factory guns with either good quality MIM or all-forged parts). Having said that, the DW may have larger structural issues with the ramped barrel and frame design, and Springfield has yet to bring an optics ready version to there most advanced factory line of TRP pistols (no, I don’t consider the TRP to be semi-custom).

So, that means that the Sig is still a good value option for those wanting an optics ready factory gun provided they can either swap out some parts, or spend a couple hundred extra bucks to have a gunsmith do it in case the gun is like Hilton’s. Once that’s done, you will likely have a gun that is more reliable than the 45ACP Specialist at a price point still a couple hundred bucks less than a DW, and sporting a very sleek Sig optics cut that is far simpler than DW’s plate system.

[HeavyDuty]

I was fully prepared to have to drop in all new guts, so mine not needing it (so far anyway) has been a pleasant surprise.

[Elwin]

People change opinions all the time but isn't Hilton one of the youtubers saying MIM had no place in a "serious use" 1911?

I seem to recall he'd been getting requests to evaluate the BUL hicap but said it was too full of MIM parts to bother with.

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I know he’s not interested in Turkish guns at all, but recent comments I recall have been RE Tisas and not specifically about MIM.

It may also be he doesn’t trust Turkish companies to do good MIM. Which is probably reasonable given the non-Turkish companies that also can’t do it well.

[Tokarev]

I know he’s not interested in Turkish guns at all, but recent comments I recall have been RE Tisas and not specifically about MIM.

It may also be he doesn’t trust Turkish companies to do good MIM. Which is probably reasonable given the non-Turkish companies that also can’t do it well.

The Girsan guns are stuffed full of MIM but I don't think the Tisas guns are. In fact I think the Tisas marketing stuff says they're NOT using MIM in any of the 1911s?

Hilton doesn't want to mess with the Turkish guns because he is looking at this stuff from a hard use or duty gun standpoint and doesn't think the Tisas stuff will be adequate. At least that's my recollection of some of his Patreon posts, etc.

Personally I think getting maybe a Raider and a HiCap and then doing some youtu.be content would generate some pretty good web traffic. But if he's been demonetized then additional traffic probably won't do anything for him.

With all that said, I do recall an older youtu.be video where he justifies buying Holosun dots and maybe a laser or two. Yet there are people out there who don't buy Chinese. Don't think Holosun is duty quality, etc. So he says Turkish guns are unsat but Holosun is good to go? I like Hilton but this could easily be seen as hypocritical.

Everyone has a level or tolerance I guess especially when personal funds are on the line.

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[Trooper224]

The Girsan guns are stuffed full of MIM but I don't think the Tisas guns are. In fact I think the Tisas marketing stuff says they're NOT using MIM in any of the 1911s?

Hilton doesn't want to mess with the Turkish guns because he is looking at this stuff from a hard use or duty gun standpoint and doesn't think the Tisas stuff will be adequate. At least that's my recollection of some of his Patreon posts, etc.

Personally I think getting maybe a Raider and a HiCap and then doing some youtu.be content would generate some pretty good web traffic. But if he's been demonetized then additional traffic probably won't do anything for him.

With all that said, I do recall an older youtu.be video where he justifies buying Holosun dots and maybe a laser or two. Yet there are people out there who don't buy Chinese. Don't think Holosun is duty quality, etc. So he says Turkish guns are unsat but Holosun is good to go? I like Hilton but this could easily be seen as hypocritical.

Everyone has a level or tolerance I guess especially when personal funds are on the line.

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The only opinion I've seen Hilton express is that he has no interest in reviewing America's gun that isn't made in America. I've also seen him extole the qualities of Springfields machining quality. Then, in the very next video he's dealing with an Emissary with a siezed up frame and slide, due to faulty machining. I'm not saying he's full of it, quite the contrary. But, he is only one man with one opinion.

As for Tisas 1911s being fit for duty: i suspect my own hands-on experience with the brand exceeds his. I'd say thery're as good as any other factory brand. None of them are fit for duty right out of the box, but I've gotten there quicker with a Tisas than some Colts or Springfields I've owned.

[farscott]

The few Tisas 1911 pistols I have had a chance to shoot and teardown have really impressed me. At twice the price point, there is nothing even close. The Tisas pistols were better fit than the last Colt 1911 that I tried. The Colt is more than twice the cost of the Tisas. One could buy a Tisas, replace every spring, and replace the fire control parts and pin set with Harrison Design parts and still have spent less than the price of a Colt 1911 or SA Garrison.

[Trooper224]

The few Tisas 1911 pistols I have had a chance to shoot and teardown have really impressed me. At twice the price point, there is nothing even close. The Tisas pistols were better fit than the last Colt 1911 that I tried. The Colt is more than twice the cost of the Tisas. One could buy a Tisas, replace every spring, and replace the fire control parts and pin set with Harrison Design parts and still have spent less than the price of a Colt 1911 or SA Garrison.

With all the work I've done on mine, or had done, I don't have more than $800 in either one of them. They both run like scalded dogs. I can't remember the last time I cleaned my weekly trainer, just a little lube now and then. There's no pony on the slide, or resale value, or cool kid cred. But, you can't ignore the performance.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with Sig 1911s.