Stoeger -- People don't understand red dots

[JAD]

Interesting discussion. You seem to be using an outcome measure (hit vs miss) to determine whether you were target focused or not. I am trying to understand clues as to whether I am focusing on the dot, rather than the target, and then figure out how to shift my focus on the fly. That is a work in process.

Secondary question is does target vs dot focus primarily influence accuracy, speed or some combination?

Yes -- my perception of whether I'm target- or dot-focused is not trustworthy. I believe I can tell by the effect. If I can get a hit at distance *quicker* (note outcome delta is not effect but speed) with a dot site, I *must* be TF (or there would be no point to being TF, with respect to speed and accuracy - a dot is just a really bright front sight, and I miraculously got better at shooting while practicing less). Using the negative example, if my PID goes to shit in a dark room and that wasn't typically a problem for me before, I *must* be DF or there's no PID point to TF. We're getting pretty close to Pascal's wager here.

[Clusterfrack]

...a dot is just a really bright front sight

Have you tried turning the dot down to where you can barely see it? I like that as a way to work on focusing intently on a small target spot.

[JAD]

Have you tried turning the dot down to where you can barely see it? I like that as a way to work on focusing intently on a small target spot.

To be careful about what you quoted, I do not believe that a dot is supposed to be used as a front sight. I look at the target, move the pistol, and the dot appears over the target to confirm what is already beginning as a trigger press (it reminds me of the press out).

I do adjust the dot down when messing with precision, because it lets me focus on a particular area of the target without the bloom obscuring it.

[Clusterfrack]

To be careful about what you quoted, I do not believe that a dot is supposed to be used as a front sight. I look at the target, move the pistol, and the dot appears over the target to confirm what is already beginning as a trigger press (it reminds me of the press out).

I do adjust the dot down when messing with precision, because it lets me focus on a particular area of the target without the bloom obscuring it.

I understood you. I just find it interesting and useful to turn it down for some drills. For sure, if I'm shooting groups at 25+ I turn the brightness down a lot. But also, sometimes I'll shoot doubles, practical accuracy, or fast transitions with a dim dot.

[JAD]

I understood you. I just find it interesting and useful to turn it down for some drills. For sure, if I'm shooting groups at 25+ I turn the brightness down a lot. But also, sometimes I'll shoot doubles, practical accuracy, or fast transitions with a dim dot.

that’s interesting and I haven’t tried that. With a dimmer dot, are you slower or faster on the draw or transitions? Are your hits better?

[Clusterfrack]

that’s interesting and I haven’t tried that. With a dimmer dot, are you slower or faster on the draw or transitions? Are your hits better?

Speed is typically worse, but it's a good way to train my eyes to look where the bullets go and not follow the dot. I don't do it a lot, but if I feel like I'm getting visually lazy during a session, a dim dot seems to help.

[GJM]

Speed is typically worse, but it's a good way to train my eyes to look where the bullets go and not follow the dot. I don't do it a lot, but if I feel like I'm getting visually lazy during a session, a dim dot seems to help.

Stoeger talks about varying the dot intensity to learn how that affects you. Too dim, on a stage, and I am a slug, but too bright and I feel like I have Rudolph the reindeer on my pistol. As an aside, I need to look at what intensity the SCS picks, using its sensors.

[JAD]

. Doesn't mean target focus is bad, and it is a good thing, but just realize it is today's thing.

With irons I really do need to draw my focus back to the FS to get the hit. I’m really, really sure of that. What I do with a dot is really different.

I think.

[Clusterfrack]

With irons I really do need to draw my focus back to the FS to get the hit. I’m really, really sure of that. What I do with a dot is really different.

I think.

But do you really?

[Joe in PNG]

Reading this page, it would appear that the dot should work like my mouse pointer on the computer screen. I don't look the pointer onto the thing I want to click- I look at the thing I want to click and move the pointer there- and then click.

But I could be wrong.