My neighbor has a Freedom Arms from an estate that he doesn't shoot. Not sure why he won't sell it but he's had it for several years. I didn't realize they made 45 APC cylinders for those. If he ever decides to sell it I'll make him an offer. I know what they're worth new. It's a fantastic revolver. I load 45 ACP. I wouldn't even dream of shooting 454. I don't have dental insurance.