Originally Posted by fatdog
Where did you find 15 round G17 mags?
Where did you find 15 round G17 mags?
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/glock-ge...-magazine.html
Botach, now out of stock
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I was torn between Prod-15 and going with mag capacity that fit the box. IMO there were pros and cons for both.
Prod 15 Pros:
*It would make Prod unique in that no other division had 15 rnds, so stage strategy would be fairly unique from SS, L10, or the high-cap divisions
*Newbies who brought a box stock Glock 19/17 would have a place to land without shooting in Limited minor. 3 mags, each loaded to 15 or 17 and rock on.
Prod 15 Cons:
*Only one I came up with was ROs now need to count to 15 instead of 10. Sadly, not enough ROs are even counting to 10 when a Prod shooter would show up, so doubt they’ll be doing their diligence with Prod-15. This was the reason I was leaning towards “fill up the capacity to mag length provided the gun and mag fit in the box” to make it easier on the ROs.
Mag capacity Pros:
*Easy for Chrono to enforce. Gun w/ mag inserted fits in the box or it doesn’t.
*A G19 should be able to run a G17 mag to keep up with the other 17 rnders, and may even be able to put on a short basepad, plus slimmer springs to be able to increase capacity beyond the OFM 15 rnds. So in a sense we would have away for competitors to level the playing field capacity-wise.
*If we go with a max length mag (as defined by the dimensions of the Prod/SS box) then RO’s don’t need to count rounds. Let guys and cottage-industry experiment with different springs and followers like we already have in CO, Ltd, LO, Open, etc. to cram an extra round or two into the mag. It may start an arms-race, but it’s not like one doesn’t already exist (Mag-guts, Grams followers, et.al.). And besides, arms races generally promote innovation in which case we all benefit.
Mag capacity Cons:
*Arms races usually mean there is an equipment advantage which becomes a barrier to entry for the newbies and the need to keep up with the Joneses. But fortunately the barrier to entry is just in the mags and mag accessories, not needing to throw down thousands of dollars in a high-end gun to compete.
*But now we’re conceivably in the 19-20 rnd mag capacity territory, and we’re starting to resemble a hi-cap division rather than a unique mid-cap division -which is the main thing I liked about Prod-15.
Last thot: Some people say Prod 15 w/ 15+1 will result in stage plans of shoot 8, move, shoot 8, go to slide lock. True, if your stage designers are of the ilk that design stages with 8/8/8/8 which IMO is lazy and boring as hell. Most of the stages I shoot at my clubs don’t do that, and 15 will give Prod shooters a lot more options than 10+1.
This may have me shooting Production next year. I even have the components from 15 round CZ magazines, that I bought off an NJ resident when their 2nd amendment infringement went from 15 to 10. Sure, I could just use 17s loaded to 15, but if the mag will only hold 15, you can challenge any allegations you loaded more than 15.
Years back, I would shoot every division throughout the year. 3 years ago, I decided to focus on one gun / division for the entire year, beginning with open, carry optics, and this year limited. My plan this year was going to be limited optics. However, I’ve dragged my feet so long on getting a proper LO gun, I might not be ready in time.
The reason that this change appeals to me is, local matches have lost any semblance of 8 or even 10 round neutrality. Shooting 10 in my area forces too many flat footed reloads during a target array. 12 and 14 round positions are common. The 15 round limit would make these stages more enjoyable.
I noticed Gunmagwarehouse is now also out.
With the caveat that I don't have a bunch of orders with these guys, maybe one in the past, they seem to have the correct SKU in stock
Don't know these guys but they claim to have them.
The best search is probably the Glock SKU for these factory blocked 15 rounders for the 17/45/34/47 guns, it is MF17015B
Last edited by fatdog; 12-29-2023 at 08:09 AM.
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I can't help w/ vision but can note that MecGar 18 rnd mags for a Beretta 92 have a witness hole for every round. So that is all we use. Check if this is true for your guns.
I suppose for Americans this change is mostly redundant since everyone just wants to shoot Carry Optics instead, but it is long overdue. Welcome to "real" Production!
Loading 15 in 17rd Glock mags is completely untroublesome. You don't "trust the witness holes", but rather you count out 15 a few times and learn what it looks like (the bottom round is barely visible in the 16 round witness hole), and then you just load to that from then on.
Using limited capacity mags is not the play here. The reduced follower spring tension from having 17 rd mags (better yet, 17 rd mags with extended baseplates) loaded with 15 is helpful.
I just take one shoe off.
I really am looking forward to this. I have been shooting limited with irons and will now switch. I just wish it was a little higher in the mag capacity area.
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