AP reporting US ship attacked

[Chance]

From Reuters:

Saudi Arabia has asked the United States to show restraint in responding to attacks by Yemen's Houthis against ships in the Red Sea, two sources familiar with Saudi thinking said, as Riyadh seeks to contain spillover from the Hamas-Israel war.

The Iran-aligned Houthis have waded into the conflict that has spread around the Middle East since war erupted on Oct. 7, attacking vessels in vital shipping lanes and firing drones and missiles at Israel itself.

The group which rules much of Yemen says its attacks are a show of support for the Palestinians and has vowed they will continue until Israel stops its offensive on the Gaza Strip - more than 1,000 miles from their seat of power in Sanaa.

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Focused on expanding and diversifying the Saudi economy, Riyadh this year normalised ties with Tehran and is seeking to exit the war it has been waging with the Houthis in Yemen for nearly nine years.

The sources said Saudi Arabia was seeking to advance the Yemen peace process even as war rages in Gaza, worrying it could be derailed. Yemen has enjoyed more than a year of relative calm amid direct peace talks between Saudi and Houthi officials.

[Borderland]

So does the US defend only it's military vessels in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf? I'm sure they can do that but international shipping will become very expensive if Yemen or Iran starts attacking merchant ships.

These behind the scenes attacks on shipping could easily escalate a war in the Middle east. That happened with US cargo ships carrying supplies to Britain in the North Atlantic.
U-boats were hunting cargo ships and US destroyers were hunting U boats. All this long before Germany declared war on the US.

I don't think it's the duty of the US to protect all shipping in the region but you could see where this could go.

[0ddl0t]

So does the US defend only it's military vessels in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf?

No, the USS Carney came to the aid of three Israeli-linked commercial ships (which were flagged out of Bahama, Panama, and Romania)

All told, there were four attacks against three different commercial vessels operating in the southern Red Sea’s international waters.

In each case, Carney responded to ship distress calls and provided assistance, shooting down multiple air drones

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...ps-in-red-sea/

I don't think it's the duty of the US to protect all shipping in the region but you could see where this could go.

I read an interesting report a while back (that I'm pretty sure I first saw on PF) talking about how China relies heavily on the US Navy to prevent piracy and how Chinese shipping (and China's economy) would be severely threatened by an actual outbreak of conflict. Their point was that a lot of the recent Chinese posturing is just that...

The Chinese Navy, in comparison, does not always respond to calls for aid from other countries' ships. Here's an example where three Chinese warships off Somalia ignored pleas from an Israeli tanker under attack in the Gulf of Aden: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ck/ar-AA1kFa0l

[Borderland]

No, the USS Carney came to the aid of three Israeli-linked commercial ships (which were flagged out of Bahama, Panama, and Romania)


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/y...ps-in-red-sea/



I read an interesting report a while back (that I'm pretty sure I first saw on PF) talking about how China relies heavily on the US Navy to prevent piracy and how Chinese shipping (and China's economy) would be severely threatened by an actual outbreak of conflict. Their point was that a lot of the recent Chinese posturing is just that...

The Chinese Navy, in comparison, does not always respond to calls for aid from other countries' ships. Here's an example where three Chinese warships off Somalia ignored pleas from an Israeli tanker under attack in the Gulf of Aden: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ck/ar-AA1kFa0l

Cruise and ballistic missiles flying around targeting unarmed cargo ships in an international shipping corridor like the Red Sea won't end well, almost guaranteed.

[Chance]

From Reuters:

A French warship operating in the Red Sea has shot down two drones that were launched at it from the Yemen coast, the defence ministry said on Sunday.

It said the multipurpose frigate Languedoc had intercepted and destroyed a first drone at around 9:30 p.m. local French time on Saturday, and a second one around 11:30 p.m. at 110 km (68.35 miles) from the Yemen coast around Al Hudaydah.

Yemen's Houthi movement said on Saturday they would target all ships heading to Israel, regardless of their nationality, and warned all international shipping companies against dealing with Israeli ports.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...gainst-drones/

Note the French said they were attacked, while we say - oh, no, not clear, wah, wah. Just shooting at some drones passing by.

[blues]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...gainst-drones/

Note the French said they were attacked, while we say - oh, no, not clear, wah, wah. Just shooting at some drones passing by.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre

[Wake27]

Cruise and ballistic missiles flying around targeting unarmed cargo ships in an international shipping corridor like the Red Sea won't end well, almost guaranteed.

Nor should it. And now Israel is saying that if someone else doesn't fix it, they will.

From Reuters:

Based on that range, that's not a back of the truck launched UAS.

[Borderland]

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...gainst-drones/

Note the French said they were attacked, while we say - oh, no, not clear, wah, wah. Just shooting at some drones passing by.

It's all just a diplomatic response to an incidence that didn't cause any loss of life or damage. It's like swatting flies. If a missile had actually hit that ship the response from the French would be much different.

It's evident that Yemen is the next country the west will have to deal with to avoid terrorist actions in the Red Sea. So far their capability to do anything against an armed naval vessel hasn't been a threat. I think the media is referring to cruise missiles when they say drones. We'll see how they fair with their Iranian Noor missiles. So far the only ship to be sunk by one of those was Iranian vessel in a test. The joke about the Italian firing squad comes to mind.

[Wake27]

It's evident that Yemen is the next country the west will have to deal with to avoid terrorist actions in the Red Sea. So far their capability to do anything against an armed naval vessel hasn't been a threat. We'll see how they fair with their Iranian hardware.

If we're playing games until they kill someone, then we're asking for them to kill someone. Hostile intent and action has been repeatedly demonstrated, just because they haven't caused severe damage or death up to this point, does not mean that they're not a threat or not achieving their objectives at will. Yemen does not need to be dealt with next, it needs to be dealt with now. The longer we fuck around, the more we're going to have to find out. They need to be slapped back into compliance while other, more critical, situations develop further. Until then, the precedent of further inaction alone is very dangerous.