Target Focused Shooting

[JCN]

Can you determine how many shots were after the signal?

Zero. You can watch the timer face change with each shot.

You can also play in slow motion and listen to audio timing compared to visual.

I think in real life it would be easier because life isn’t instantaneous.

Like when someone starts falling, they START falling before they are going fast. Noticing it early is the key. Like pre-attack indicators or someone telegraphing a punch.

[Clusterfrack]

Zero. You can watch the timer face change with each shot.

That's what it looked like. I wanted to confirm.

[G19Fan]

Fun factoid, a 1.0 second draw and 5 .20 splits to A zone hits out of competition gear would have put you 13/477 at the iron sight/LO Nationals that just happened.

Curious what about the 2.5 to 2.9 ish range?

Shot from concealment and with dot but curious on pure time

[G19Fan]

You are a better man than I! I found that transition from Dot to Dot Off really difficult, why? Because I was
visually wedded to the Dot housing! That big ass unit became a distraction. My fix...taller front sight!

I am probably in the minority, but I won't carry a dot gun for personal protection. Irons are nearly always there and if not
I still have a slide without that Dot housing obstruction.

Great thread gents. Target focus is "natural" and dots let us be accurate while we perform "naturally".
I was fully on board with "Front Sight Press" for decades! Still am for ultimate accuracy, but I came to
love target focus as my eyes and continuous Rx updates in order to maintain a crisp front sight, got to be more trouble
than target focused shooting (within its limitations).

Depending on range the dot housing is a giant ghost ring

[GJM]

Curious what about the 2.5 to 2.9 ish range?

Shot from concealment and with dot but curious on pure time

Here is the link to the stage with all the times and points.

https://practiscore.com/results/new/220816?q_result=5

[G19Fan]

Here is the link to the stage with all the times and points.

https://practiscore.com/results/new/220816?q_result=5

Appreciated

[Erick Gelhaus]

I had never heard the benefit of target focus for defensive shooting being put in this exact way and it was very thought-provoking.

Not sure what was said on that episode. However, a discussion about that subject was part of the genesis for That Weems Guy show podcast. I've hypothesized in classes, on Weems podcast, and other places for several years that - rather than making don't shoot/shoot decisions through the optic - "we" will see changes in suspect behaviors sooner & be able to respond to them quicker by being threat/target-focused. This is being proved out in BWC footage. (An addition is that we're likely to get better post-shooting statements too)

FWIW 0.25 visual reaction time is not from Force Science, it's just... regular science.

Ding ding ding. FSRC has been the group willing to apply science to cop work, UOF, etc like most other careers, professions have been doing.

[David S.]

Is this a subject Nyeti used to post about?

Upon further reflection. DB's core interest is around processing the problem. While he's a fine technical shooter and instructor, his emphasis is more on the force application, rather than the technique side.

I do believe he would generally teach iron sight shooters to use Front Sight Focus, but he's more interested in you being able to swiftly and reliably hit a "large orange, small grapefruit" sized target in the upper thoracic / head box area. He's more interested in you making good use of force decisions that don't violate The Four Rules, particularly rules 2 and 4. From a pure marksmanship perspective, if you can demonstrate that "target focused," I think that'd fine with him.

I've heard him mention several times in person and on podcasts: The reason you are deploying the weapon is reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury, and it's entirely possible to find your brain locking up. One of the reasons DB likes Front Sight Focus is because it gives your eyes and brain something more productive to focus on than the scary monster.

To be clear, I'm not claiming expertise, first hand or otherwise. I'm being That Guy on the internet, regurgitating what I vaguely remember from a couple classes I took over the last several years.

[P.E. Kelley]

Depending on range the dot housing is a giant ghost ring

I tried that, being rather familiar with that set up on long guns...but NOPE! Not for me.

[ST911]

Upon further reflection. DB's core interest is around processing the problem. While he's a fine technical shooter and instructor, his emphasis is more on the force application, rather than the technique side.

I do believe he would generally teach iron sight shooters to use Front Sight Focus, but he's more interested in you being able to swiftly and reliably hit a "large orange, small grapefruit" sized target in the upper thoracic / head box area. He's more interested in you making good use of force decisions that don't violate The Four Rules, particularly rules 2 and 4. From a pure marksmanship perspective, if you can demonstrate that "target focused," I think that'd fine with him.

I've heard him mention several times in person and on podcasts: The reason you are deploying the weapon is reasonable fear of death or grave bodily injury, and it's entirely possible to find your brain locking up. One of the reasons DB likes Front Sight Focus is because it gives your eyes and brain something more productive to focus on than the scary monster.

To be clear, I'm not claiming expertise, first hand or otherwise. I'm being That Guy on the internet, regurgitating what I vaguely remember from a couple classes I took over the last several years.

Based on my classes with him, that's a good summary.