Pizza AR

[WobblyPossum]

NARP might be one of the worst names for a firearm I’ve ever seen.

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NARP might be one of the worst names for a firearm I’ve ever seen.

NARP is supposedly just the program name that this rifle won. Unknown if Beretta will come up with their own name, or just run with it.

Looks like this Beretta has all of that. (provided the gas block has a suppressor/unsuppressed setting).

The iteration shown does.

More technical details here: https://www.edrmagazine.eu/beretta-u...rifle-platform

Of some interest I'm sure is the fact that this is suppose to be a family of weapons, and should also have variants in .300 BLK, 7.62×51mm, and 6.5 CM.

Unlike the MCX, it does not appear that this would be able to be retrofitted to an AR lower, unfortunately.

[Evil_Ed]

Hrm.

I wonder if we'd ever see that here?

I'm down to give it a try.

I genuinely like my Spear LT. It doesn't really do anything significantly better than my AR's but it's got some pretty damned nice features that DO make it desirable.

Folding Stock
Really, really soft recoil impulse
Adjustable gas block
Ambi Controls
Very easy caliber conversions if that's your thing.

Looks like this Beretta has all of that. (provided the gas block has a suppressor/unsuppressed setting).

I've read way too many stories about how easy it is to knock the railed handguard out of zero/alignment on Sig Spears; if you run any kind of a laser device on the handguard this is a big problem There's a company that makes a stiffener or something like that for it that helps the handguard maintain it's orientation, but...oof. I still kind of want a Spear but they're too expensive to have a basic problem like that...it gives me serious pause and makes me wonder what other shortcuts they took

I do really like what Beretta's done...if the price is reasonable (if it even comes to the US), it'd be interesting to see how it does. I might even pick one up just to see...

[Sig_Fiend]

NARP might be one of the worst names for a firearm I’ve ever seen.

Oh no! I didn't even notice that. Oh Beretta.



They totally missed a great opportunity. Instead, could have been something like B-AR, then everyone would just call it the BAR, people would love that, meme it, and have lots of fun with it to Beretta's advantage.

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I've read way too many stories about how easy it is to knock the railed handguard out of zero/alignment on Sig Spears; if you run any kind of a laser device on the handguard this is a big problem There's a company that makes a stiffener or something like that for it that helps the handguard maintain it's orientation, but...oof. I still kind of want a Spear but they're too expensive to have a basic problem like that...it gives me serious pause and makes me wonder what other shortcuts they took

I have not heard about the SPEAR or SPEAR LT having this issue, any sources? The MCX Virtus was rather notorious for this issue (the Gen1 to a lesser extent), while AFAIK the issue with the SPEAR/SPEAR LT is with the barrels not returning to zero, rather than the handguard, when the barrel takes some kind of force, and the Arisaka ZRC does not really mitigate that issue. I've also heard that this is an issue only on the commercial side, and that military SPEARs have not exhibited this issue.

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I have not heard about the SPEAR or SPEAR LT having this issue, any sources? The MCX Virtus was rather notorious for this issue (the Gen1 to a lesser extent), while AFAIK the issue with the SPEAR/SPEAR LT is with the barrels not returning to zero, rather than the handguard, when the barrel takes some kind of force, and the Arisaka ZRC does not really mitigate that issue. I've also heard that this is an issue only on the commercial side, and that military SPEARs have not exhibited this issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/co...t=1&utm_term=1

That one's the gimmie; there's a ton more out there..

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SigSauer/co...t=1&utm_term=1

That one's the gimmie; there's a ton more out there..

Not sure what video necessarily proves; it's been hypothesized that the handguard interface system is actually what contributes to the barrel deflection issue, so that clamping of the handguard would help with keeping the handguard interface from messing with the barrel. The vast majority of posts in recent months has been about barrel deflection, and not handguard deflection at this juncture, AFAIK. It's my understanding that the issues here are very different; with the MCX Virtus and Gen1, the issue was handguard deflection when the handguard was experiencing some kind of pressure or load, but the handguard would return to zero after the pressure was relieved (which didn't necessarily help very much, since it seemed that some units were experiencing shift even with very little pressure). With the SPEAR and SPEAR LT, the issue appears to be the barrel shifting when under pressure, and not returning to zero even after the pressure was relieved, due to the screws on the handguard interface system somehow being involved. After all, the SPEAR and SPEAR LT have extra screws on the handguard specifically to deal with handguard deflection, this was an actual marketing point.

For example:


The ARFCOM thread for the SPEAR LT is pretty convinced that it's the barrel that's deflecting and not the handguard, too.

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I've read way too many stories about how easy it is to knock the railed handguard out of zero/alignment on Sig Spears; if you run any kind of a laser device on the handguard this is a big problem There's a company that makes a stiffener or something like that for it that helps the handguard maintain it's orientation, but...oof. I still kind of want a Spear but they're too expensive to have a basic problem like that...it gives me serious pause and makes me wonder what other shortcuts they took

I do really like what Beretta's done...if the price is reasonable (if it even comes to the US), it'd be interesting to see how it does. I might even pick one up just to see...

Wait. Somebody's Spear needs a stiffener? Now that Viagra's gone generic, that should be an easy fix.

[Magsz]

I've read way too many stories about how easy it is to knock the railed handguard out of zero/alignment on Sig Spears; if you run any kind of a laser device on the handguard this is a big problem There's a company that makes a stiffener or something like that for it that helps the handguard maintain it's orientation, but...oof. I still kind of want a Spear but they're too expensive to have a basic problem like that...it gives me serious pause and makes me wonder what other shortcuts they took

I do really like what Beretta's done...if the price is reasonable (if it even comes to the US), it'd be interesting to see how it does. I might even pick one up just to see...

Get off the internet brother.

Couple of things as I don't want to get too off topic.

That Pizza gun definitely looks like its got a really good handguard to upper receiver design. Probably "better" than the MCX series of weapons.

Having said that. The cheeto dick internet twerps haven't "proved" anything. Botkin posted a bunch of inflammatory "innocent" videos and then never made any follow up content proving or disproving his claim. There are other channels out there that also pretended to present a scientific conclusion that the weapons were flawed. Also, I would imagine that 99% of the internet commandos posting about the gun and its inability to hold MFAL zeroes don't have MFAL's or NVG's.

What I can say this this:

1. There are reports of barrel clamps not being torqued properly. Once properly torqued, the "issue" seemed to go away.

2. There have been issues with improper torque or too much torque on the handguard screws. There is no current consensus on what the right torque spec is. I have mine at 15 inch lbs with medium strength loctite applied.

3. In real world use, the MCX handguard design is going to be inherently more flimsy than say a DD RIS III. Having said that, your mission will dictate how much that matters. For domestic LE, I would have zero issues with the design. For fighting in a war zone? Yeah, I might have some issues but to be honest with you? I'm not really sure how much it matters. I don't think the handguard is going to "break" per say I just don't think it's as robust as other options on the market. Granted, every weapon has its flaws. The junction between the receiver extension and the lower receiver on an AR15 can be failure point if you land on it hard enough. There's no perfect weapon.

4. I now have three thousand rounds through my 5.56 spear LT SBR. I have about 1200 rounds through my MCX rattler in 300 blackout. The Spear has not exhibited ANY sign of zero shift. I have a MAWL mounted at the juncture between the upper and the rail along with an Arisaka ZRC. The gun is accurate out to 200 yards with a 2 MOA red dot. I have not REALLY grouped it for accuracy and I have not taken it beyond 200 yards. My MCX Rattler has taken hog and I absolutely adore it. Once again, I have a MAWL mounted at the juncture between the upper and the receiver. The setup just flat out works for me. I could do testing with a PEQ15 on the front of the rail but I honestly don't care that much. I don't have a means to scientifically and methodically test this. All rails will shift to a certain degree depending on force imparted and weight on the rail.

I hope that Italy has taken this into consideration in how they're connecting their rail to their upper. Anything modular can have issues if it's not well engineered.

[Ben_G]

So this program is 100% an international MIL platform, not a US commercial market SA MSR. It was developed for Italian SOF, and I'm sure they'll end up trying for the whole force as well as any of the other nations that are updating their primary rifles in response to the UKR situation.

Also, I have to not that for military and LE contracts, there really is a rather sizeable market outside of the US.

I don't even know when I'll be able to handle/shoot one of those things.